Amy B. Portland, ME

I sincerely hope all our FR journalists and readers in the D.C. are safe and sound after a 5.8 earthquake in that area.

Rick Perry: still a dope.

I echo your comment; Amy

For God's sake; righites don't blame this quake on President Obama.

I sincerely hope all our FR journalists and readers in the D.C. are safe and sound after a 5.8 earthquake in that area.

Ditto what Amy said and to what appears to be the entire East Coast!

Right his his record might not be so pristine; but his hair is.

The Club for growth got this exactly right for "Hairy Perry".

Not only is record questionable so are his statements like seceding and treason

Maybe the quake was Qaddafy entering Hell.

Just sat through the 5.9 earthquake hear in Richmond VA, nothing against California, but I'm glad I don't live there and have to go through that on a regular basis.

Bev,

I think you're confusing the Club for Growth with the Hair Club for Men.

Tom, Tamarac, FL

Bev,

I think you're confusing the Club for Growth with the Hair Club for Men.

No Tom,

I not. I couldn't resist the temptation to the hair reference.

For God's sake; righites don't blame this quake on President Obama.

__________________________________________________

Bev, I'm thinking you had baked beans for lunch and now the entire east coast of the U.S. just felt the aftershock.

Bev - Chi, -

No matter what the cause is - according to the GNOPers it is "the Obama Fault".

I think you're confusing the Club for Growth with the Hair Club for Men

From the look of him - he's racking up mucho frequent flier membership miles... ;o)

Thank goodness for the purity litmus tests -- Even someone as far-right as Perry will be criticized. Interesting they recognize the difference between being pro-business (corporate welfare) and pro-free market.

Too bad policies of groups like this are also "contradictory." If you're against corporate welfare, then end the loopholes. If you're in favor of free market, then be against unfair trade practices such as off-shoring jobs then being able to sell the goods back into the US market.

And let me guess, the International Coalition of Apostles are saying the earth quake is God's wrath against Washington, which they prayed for. In the meantime, screw the poor, the sick, and the old. Screw the Earth and the EPA. Screw the Good Samaritans of the world and helping those who are different from you.

We've seen the purity test before, when Goldwater was nominated. The fact is the GOP lacks a platform. They can no longer claim to be fiscally conservative (except when the POTUS is a Democrat), or to be the best at national security -- They can't even claim to be true Christians.

I'll go with that Va.Independent wish California would keep their earthquakes. Personally I'm thinking that it's God's way of telling Old Cantor to mend his ways. This is the second one that seems to be centered up in his wheelhouse. And they keep getting worse. And now Irene seems to be centering up on that part of the state. Look out Eric you might need some of them old disaster monies you don't think anybody deserves.

The Club for Growth is one of the most pernicious organizations in the country. Their agenda is basically the Grover Norquist approach to Friedman economics and government "reform." Their goal is to fundamentally eliminate government, all social programs, regulations, and other features - basically, the ideology that has put the world in an economic mess right now.

The only "growth" this outfit favors is that of the wealth of a few and the feudalization of this country.

If Perry gets ANY kudos from these guys, it should be a deadly warning sign to the nation. This guy is TOXIC!

PS - I went through some terrible earthquakes in CA. Doesn't matter where you are when the ground begins to move, it is horrifying. Glad I'm not there now, too.

Joe in Albany

Bev, I'm thinking you had baked beans for lunch and now the entire east coast of the U.S. just felt the aftershock.

You did? If only that were true your GOPee-T- ass would still be shakin like a salt shaker.

Go back to you hole where the rest of the Rat bit!ches are.

For the record I don't like or at baked beans. Try collard greens and corn bread next time

MSDNC has finally found a true comedy professional to permanently replace Mr. Ed at 6:00 EDT. Let's face it, Cerk was not very funny. I look forward to many, many, laughs at the Rev's expense. LMAO already!!!!

Al Sharpton finally gets his show - On Media: Al Sharpton finally gets his show

August 23, 2011

After a long trial period and an even longer period of rumors, MSNBC has made it official and handed its 6 p.m. slot to Rev. Al Sharpton under the name “PoliticsNation.”

“I’ve known Rev. Sharpton for over a decade and have tremendous respect for him,” said Phil Griffin, president of MSNBC. “I’m thrilled that he’s now reached a point in his career where he’s able to devote himself to hosting a nightly show.”

As I reported earlier this month, Griffin met Sharpton back when Griffin was a producer at the “Today” show, and Sharpton has played a big role in shaping MSNBC’s lineup over the last 15 years. The rumored choice of Sharpton caused some controversy. Black journalists have complained that the 6 p.m. slot is not going to a journalist. Critics of President Barack Obama — most recently commentator Pat Buchanan, who referred to Obama as “your boy” — have accused Sharpton of being a shill for the White House. Questions have been raised about the relationship between his selection and his lobbying for the Comcast-NBC Universal merger last year. And conservative blogs have already begun dredging up Sharpton’s role in the more than two-decade-old Tawana Brawley affair as evidence of MSNBC’s questionable judgment.

More petty poop? Really? Domestically we have a stalled economy with people out of work who need to put food on the table, unaffordable health care, speculators who profit by betting against our nation, companies gouging consumers, an entire generation that won't be able to retire, or college graduates who won't get a job and will default on student loans... A global economy also at risk, historical events like the Arab Spring... and you want to focus on Sharpton? Seriously?

Joe in Albany

MSDNC has finally found a true comedy professional to permanently replace Mr. Ed at 6:00 EDT. Let's face it, Cerk was not very funny. I look forward to many, many, laughs at the Rev's expense. LMAO already!!!!

Joeey

Shake your GOPee-T-ass like a salt shaker. On your worst day Rev Al will spank your GOPee-T-ass around ferociously.

You'll probably never laugh again. You'll think while you are peeing on yourself you're on your way do not stop "straight to hell", moonbat, where you know you belong.

Just sat through the earthquake here in Central New Jersey.....didn't know what I was experiencing at first because I've never been through an earthquake. I thought...damn this couldn't be the wind..then the wall started to move and I stood straight up and walked out the door of the office. LOL!!! It's a good thing I wasn't drinking! It was weird and unsettling to feel the floor and the walls move. I'm still spooked. Anyway after it stopped my cell phone lit up like a Christmas tree!!!

Perry gives welfare to his rich donors paid for by taxes and fees on the poor and middle class of Texas. You want him to do likewise to the entire United States? Vote for him and watch our demise. The multinational corporations wanting Obama's defeat will thank you, hand you a pink slip and ask if you would do just one more thing for them? Scrub their toilet on the way out.

Thoughts and prayers for all those affected by the earthquake. Stay safe and be careful. Still a chance for aftershocks.

Who woulda thunk, Club for Growth criticizing Rick Perry. Those purity litmus tests will sooner or later cause the GOP to become irrelevant. They claim to be "pro-growth" yet do not seem to think that should apply to workers.

Good to hear the earthquake hasn't caused damage so far.

IR, you nailed it--it's all Eric Cantor's fault!

Earthquakes suck, no question. Always a good idea to have at least a weeks worth of food and water on hand - you just never know.

As for the issues, and particularly the huge problems that are man made I just read that we are amassing new debt at a rate of $3 million per minute. It is also now well known that Obama's administration has accumulated debt at a rate of $129 billion per month.

To compare Bush had an average of $51 billion per month, and he amassed $5trillion in 8 years. Obama is already the $4 trillion man, and in only 2 and 1/2 years.

Unsustainable.

AnaBanana - please explain what you mean by "Perry gives welfare to his rich donors paid for by taxes and fees on the poor and middle class of Texas."

I just love to hear your explanation.

Know what's funny? Bev begging republicans not to blame the earthquake on Obama.

I was driving when it was felt here in NY metro- and when the announcement of the quake was made, my first thought was that Obama had his "blame object" for Thursday's initial claims for unemployment numbers.

It will join the Japanese tsunami, Arab spring, ATMs, airport kiosks, the dog at his grand bargain. . .

Maybe this will help you out, Spanky, at least as far as the welfare to rich donors part. This isn't as good as the job Rachel Maddow did with this story, but it's a great place to start.

http://swampland.time.com/2011/06/27/the-cracks-in-rick-perrys-job-growth-record/

Perry’s biggest tool for job raiding is controversial. Beginning in 2003, he persuaded the Texas legislature to give him control over several massive, largely unsupervised funds that provide subsidies to businesses that move to Texas. His office proudly claims that the two biggest funds have created more than 54,000 jobs in the past eight years. “They’ve been immensely important to our state’s economic development,” says Catherine Frazier, Perry’s deputy press secretary. “This is about attracting jobs and making Texas a destination for companies to relocate and expand.”

The largest fund, the Texas Enterprise Fund, was created in 2003 and has awarded some $412 million in subsidies to companies nominally to create jobs. A December 2010 analysis by the Texas comptroller found that $119 million of that money went to companies that didn’t deliver on the jobs they promised. The governor’s office took back only $21 million from those underperformers, often choosing to define downward the job-creation requirements. GOP Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, whom Perry beat in last year’s GOP gubernatorial primary, called revelations that taxpayer-funded contracts sent money overseas to create jobs “disturbing” and “unacceptable.”

The second major fund under Perry’s control, the Texas Emerging Technology Fund, has also proven controversial since its creation in 2005. It has spent some $320 million on tax credits and other subsidies for high-tech companies willing to move to Texas. An October 2010 investigation by the Dallas Morning News found that $16 million of that money was awarded to companies with investors or officers who are large campaign donors. Perry denied that politics influenced the awarding of money from the funds. He succeeded in fending off efforts to cut his massive subsidy fund budgets in the legislative session that ended last month, but the legislature did impose new controls and oversight on the funds.

Even those subsidy-chasing companies that do produce jobs don’t necessarily create long-lasting ones or increase a state’s overall prosperity. While 18% of all jobs in the U.S. failed to last the five years from 2001 to 2006, 26% of jobs created through interstate moves failed during the same period, according to researchers Jed Kolko of the Public Policy Institute of California and Donald Walls, a consultant and researcher.

(emphasis added)

I've also read about the hidden taxes created by increased fees for things like school bus service that used to be included in general taxes. Low income people who are being charged these fees have effectively seen their taxes go up by a pretty fair number. I'm sure that Ana has other examples to share, but I've heard of this, too.

From another headline:

White House: Ax rules to save businesses cash

"The Obama administration revealed plans Tuesday to cut or roll back hundreds of federal regulations, saying it hoped to save businesses $10 billion and spur job growth"

Gonna be fun (or not) to see how the righties spin this as 'Bad dog, Barak- Bad Dog!'.....)

AM: Perry’s biggest tool for job raiding is controversial

So now 'job raiding' is somehow bad?

Wouldn't it be nice if we had an administration that job raided? You know, one that made business conditions in the US so attractive that we could raid jobs from China, India, Mexico, Canada . . . ? Instead we have an administration that just sits around and whines about corporations so their low information voter base will keep voting for them. We probably need a new administration to correct the problem.

Here's the problem, dbo

Obama made this meaningless statement in responsemto this, meaningful report

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/581555/201108151901/Regulatory-Agencies-Staffing-Up.aspx

Let's pretend he succeeds. Remember your second grade arithmetic?

$10billion divided by ten years equals on billion a year.

$9.5 billion added in July alone, minus $1 billion, equals eight and a half billion in extra costs.

See the problem?

That's nice AM - it appears to be a case of Perry doing what you libbies are always asking for: "Creating jobs."

Except you and I know the government cannot create jobs, merely the regulatory enviroment where the actual creators exist.

Yours is an example of Perry doing something to positively effect that. And as they say, the proof is in the pudding [and I love pudding as you know]. Texas is rocking the job creation game. In contrast Cali is losing 3-4 businesses every week.

But thee funny thing none of you libbies seem to want to talk about is the fact people are flocking to Texas because it has jobs. Not too many coming to many other states. Although I hear the mighty Wisconsin is doing right nice on that front as well.

Good golly no Drive By - just the opposite.

Obama will cut regulations, and taxes. He has too, he has no choice.

Economic reality is forcing him into adopting a wide array of Right wing policies.

Too bad he'll half ass it like he always does.

Like many others have expressed already, I just experienced my first earthquake. When I realized what had happened, I rejoiced in the reality of having not lost my mind. After having seen and felt my whole kitchen sway and shimmy, I, now, really don't understand how people live through quakes in CA and maintain their sanity or any sense of security.

I truly hope there are no after-shocks, the first shock was more than enough for me. WOW!

"You know, one that made business conditions in the US so attractive that we could raid jobs from China, India, Mexico, Canada . . . ?"

Well, hell. I'm with JAS on this one. I think it would be great if our own citizens (remember them? The folks that helped build this great nation??) could be hired back at, say, $2.50 and hour....

Ooops- almost forgot: $2.50 an hour, and all the black-lung you can chew. With no insurance. Yea- that'd be neat.

"Except you and I know the government cannot create jobs,..."

Spanker's right on this one. All those folks on the WPA projects?

Volunteers.

Can someone help drive-by? He's off the rails and far into the weeds again. If you're looking, he's over by Bev.

JoAnna:

So now 'job raiding' is somehow bad?

Sure. Three ways. First it's sum zero. It obviously leaves unemployed folks behind for THEIR state to care for. Second, it usually results in depressing pay and benefits, and costs the host state's citizens in terms of increased taxes on them for funding the tax breaks promised to the raided employers as well as necessary infrastructure costs. And finally, the jobs tend to be less permanent, as the article states. Sometimes it doesn't work out, and in other situations, the employers who are willing to move from place to place to place in search of the best deal will eventually just move on down the road to the next one.

Perhaps it would be better if you actually read the article and maybe thought it through from a common sense perspective before you scoffed.

Any more questions?

Ok then Drive By - then tell us why Obama won't undertake a WPA type program?

Oh and if the government can in fact freate, why did Greece fail?

Typical libbie, only sees one small part ...."but, but, they are getting paid, that must mean the government created a job."

Ignorance is truely bliss, eh Drive By?

Yo - AM, you are flat wrong.

See we have had a huge amount of businesses leaving here. They go to Texas, Idaho, where ever. A lot of times the employees go with them - it's almost always far cheaper to live in the new states. You may have heard that until recently our real estate was kinda expensive.

You points also go against basic competition in the free market. The southern states give incentives to all the car manufactures and get a huge return - a bunch of jobs. Long term, good jobs.

Finally - this here is America. One nation, equal protection and full commerce between the states.

If I want to move Spanky & Co I can do so. My business, my choice.

[...then tell us why Obama won't undertake a WPA type program?]

Soooo, Schpanky...seems gold is plummeting...got your salt shaker, or did you SELL! SELL! SELL!

...I bet you're nervous about it, aren't you...got your "broker" on speed dial? I just hope you don't get a busy signal...

[Ignorance is truely bliss...]

That a boy, Little Dude...always striving for mediocrity, as usual...

JoAnnaSmith1

"Can someone help drive-by? He's off the rails and far into the weeds again. If you're looking, he's over by Bev."

Cute. Now, tell us how any of those 3 posts are 'off the rails'?

(Or, are you over by a perv paralegal somewhere , holding hands and swaping 'intimate' self-portraits of body parts, while finding new ways to bitch about the elections of 2008?)

Perhaps it would be better if you actually read the article and maybe thought it through from a common sense perspective before you scoffed.

I know you don't understand businesses and corporations Annie. It's a struggle for you. But they're out to make a profit. And states need to pay of the services they provide. So it really is important that government work with businesses to come to an agreeable relationship between the two of them. Now you, as a flag waving liberal, think businesses are something you can tax to death for what ever needs you want. That's not true Annie, and now you see why businesses are attracted to states that work with them (Texas, Wisconsin) and not against them (California, Illinois).

I hope that sinks in a little for you.

"Ok then Drive By - then tell us why Obama won't undertake a WPA type program?"

Why are you asking ME?

I'm just wondering why you implied those WPA people were volunteers? You said the work they were doing was somehow 'not created'. Those weren't jobs? Those people were not paid? Do FAA people get paid? Do IRS people have jobs, or are they volunteets, too?

Spanky:

But thee funny thing none of you libbies seem to want to talk about is the fact people are flocking to Texas because it has jobs. Not too many coming to many other states. Although I hear the mighty Wisconsin is doing right nice on that front as well.

Clearly you haven't been paying attention, Spanky, or else you are determined this afternoon to lob softballs.

More than happy to talk about it.

First, Texas's job creation numbers appear, on second glance to be illusory. Most, if not all, of Texas's net job growth in the past few years has been through creation of government jobs, using stimulus money, which is now going away, poising Texas for massive layoffs. We'll see what that does to the Texas number.

Next, lots of other states are creating jobs, too. California usually ranks #2 in the numbers, Minnesota and Michigan are other red states that rate high. You just forget about all the states -- many of them the right-to-work states in the South -- that are LOSING jobs, thereby making the net job gain number look small compared to Texas's individual job gain. California can actually say the same thing.

Next, you do have to consider that Texas has the most minimum wage workers and a very high percentage of working people who do NOT have health insurance, which means you really have to question what kind of jobs these are. And also, if you read the article, you know that the raided jobs last on average about 8 months longer than the average job, which will ultimately leave a lot of people out of work in Texas as well.

As for Wisconsin, CLEARLY you haven't been paying attention, as Wisconsin LOST 12,500 private sector jobs last month; and the offset of jobs lost made the average job growth for the past THREE months just 700 jobs per month.

Unemployment actually went up three tenths of a percent in the past two months.

Hardly the stellar record that Governor Walker was claiming a month ago. You can read more about that here.

http://dwd.wisconsin.gov/dwd/newsreleases/2011/unemployment/110818_july_state.pdf

When you get to the part where the Secretary of the DWD blames the economy for the losses, just remember that his boss the Governor took credit for the gains last month. And also remember that THOSE gains were mostly low-wage, temporary jobs. Since he claimed credit for June, he owns july, too. In fact, he owns May through July

And "right nice" seems to be a bit of an overstatement.

Now back to you ....

"...you, as a flag waving liberal, think businesses are something you can tax to death for what ever needs you want.."

Describe taxed 'to death' here, would you, Smiff??

Damn, Anna- I'm leaving you in charge, and going out for an early beer! Thanks for the great post.

Wait until the lefties get ahold of reports on Mr. Pay-to-Play-Perry's two government funds. Amazing the direct connection between making contributions to Perry and receiving money from the two funds. There is a direct connection between the two, the US Justice department has just not been called in to investigate, yet. Don't be surprised if in a few years Gov. Perry joins Gov. Ryan and Gov. Blago at club fed in Indiana. I hear they are planning a special governors wing.

JoAnna;

That's not true Annie, and now you see why businesses are attracted to states that work with them (Texas, Wisconsin) and not against them (California, Illinois).

You might benefit by reading up on job creation in California, JoAnna, which is just behind that of Texas. Here are some numbers for June, for example:

http://host.madison.com/ct/business/biz_beat/article_44c1d6e6-b478-11e0-ad32-001cc4c002e0.html?sourcetrack=moreArticle

The largest over-the-month increase in employment in June came in Texas, which added 32,000 jobs followed by California (+28,800), Michigan (+18,000), Minnesota (+13,200) and Massachusetts (+10,400).

And golly, gee, whiz, look at all the blue states on that list, will you?

You might also benefit by reading up on the statistics that will show you how Texas' net job growth the past few years has been almost 100 percent due to public sector jobs, for which stimulus money was spent. Perry is now poised to lay off all those workers, which will pretty much demonstrate how the illusion worked.

So don't believe me. Just believe the evidence of your eyes. But open them first, okay?

By the way, as for Wisconsin, just read my reply to Spanky. LoLoLoL

So AM - are the Texas jobs actually illusory, or do they only "appear" to be? Fact is Texas is doing much better than anywhere else at this point in time. Fact is the country as a whole is doing terribly bad.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see about what happens in the future re: layoffs and such. but it is also a fact that people are continuing to stream into Texas, because of it's jobs, which certainly reflects in the uptick in unemployment, as well as national trends.

And as for Wisconsin, other than using it to occasionally yank your chain I neither pay attention nor care. Come on it's just Wisconsin for christ sakes. :)

As to a WPA type program, maybe that is in the works. Of course the Republicans would never pass it, even if President found a way to pay for it without raising taxes.

I actually thing that is the only type of thing which will pull the country completely out of the Recession.

Yo - AM, you are flat wrong.

See we have had a huge amount of businesses leaving here.

Yeah, I know, Spanky. Those pesky statistics just flat-out lie.

Just read my reply to JoAnna above, and see how much they lie. Let's add a few more of those lying statistics, shall we, from the same article:

For those who really like to count numbers, a more statistically significant measure is employment change over the past 12 months.

On that measure, Wisconsin ranks 9th nationwide with 37,700 more people working than a year ago. We trail Texas (220,000) California (157,000); Ohio (72,400); Illinois (59,000); Michigan (53,400); Florida (53,000); Massachusetts (50,000) and Pennsylvania (46,400).

And how about these:

On a percentage basis, the top four states for growth were Alaska (+1.7 percent), North Dakota (+1.2 percent), Vermont (+0.9 percent) and South Dakota (+0.8 percent). Wisconsin came in at +0.3 percent.

Employment actually increased in 26 states last month, according to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The reason the BLS figures show just 18,000 more net jobs in June is that other states saw a drop in the number of people working. Declines came in Tennessee (-16,900), Missouri (-15,700), Virginia (-14,600) and Kansas (-7,500), among others.

Looks like that last one blows up your southern state theory, too.

Somebody, please ... stop those lying statistics before they kill again. Or wait:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-debunks-praise-rick-perrys-t

In addition, while the national unemployment rate is 9.1 percent and the Texas unemployment rate is 8 percent, some 23 states, including New York, have lower unemployment rates, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Perry often talks about the robust growth of jobs during his tenure. But jobs grew at about the same rate during Democrat Ann Richards' four years as governor. And they grew at a much faster rate during Republican George W. Bush's six years in the office than they have in Perry's 10. Even before the national recession hit in 2008, jobs grew at a slower rate in Texas under Perry than under Bush.

The rest of this article is just chock full of all those nasty statistics, Spanky. Read 'em and weep.

There ain't no miracle in Texas, after all, and when Perry starts laying off all those government workers he hired with stimulus money, I guess we'll see how that goes.

[I neither pay attention nor care.]

Well then...it's settled!

Right on, MIckey. JoAnna seems to think Wisconsin is important, too, except when she doesn't.

And this was a mistatement in my earlier post:

the raided jobs last on average about 8 months longer than the average job, which will ultimately leave a lot of people out of work in Texas as well.

In fact, the raided jobs actually last 8 months LESS than the average new job.

Drive By - I get that you don't get it, but you don't have to believe me. Just listen to Team Obama. Debbie Downer and several others are now on record stating that the government does not create jobs. Or are they big fat liars?

AM those are some mighty shiny statistics, but only give a very short term picture. Fact is the labor force is heading west from Cali to Texas and south from Michigan to SC, Tenn and elsewhere.

I go back to the pudding - they are biuling in the south and razing entire city blocks in Detroit. Those folks went somewhere and for a reason.

Say, AM have you applied those shiny statistics of yours to Obama, on a national basis?

Unemployment is still upwards of 9.1%. And yet according to Drive By the government can create jobs freely and at will.

So how come, given that the nation's unemployment is Obama's burden, he doesn't just go out and hire away?

And bye the way, how are you relocation efforts coming these days? What was it, just two weeks ago you were all done with Wisconsin if the Republicans retained control?

You should totally move to Cali - a true progressive paradise.

dbo

"The Obama administration revealed plans Tuesday to cut or roll back hundreds of federal regulations, saying it hoped to save businesses $10 billion and spur job growth"

Obama finalized 379 new regulations in July calculated to cost business $9.5 billion.

So Obama is going to cut back regulations that will save $10 billion. Of course, you forgot to mention that is over a 5 year period.

So to some-up ..... in FIVE YEARS, OBAMA'S REGULATION CUTS WILL NEGATE WHAT HE ADDED IN THE MONTH OF JULY ALONE.

You guys are so easy to fool.

And BTW - Obama has another 4,200 regulations in the pipeline not counting all the regulations crammed through before today and not counting all the others he will add to the 4,200.

Gonna be fun (or not) to see how the righties spin this as 'Bad dog, Barak- Bad Dog!'.....)

I would respond that Obama is a dog at running an economy, but that would be unfair to Lassie, Rin Tin Tin, Bengie .... and well ....... just about any other 4 legged friend other than the Roselle chihuahua.

AM: You might benefit by reading up on job creation in California,

Yeah, Cali is doing great. #2 in the country. In unemployment.

I don't even know why you try Spanky. There are concepts the mind of the left just cannot grasp.

I compare it to trying to teach fish to walk.

Anna Molly,

On that measure, Wisconsin ranks 9th nationwide with 37,700 more people working than a year ago. We trail Texas (220,000) California (157,000); ......

That doesn't look to bad does it ...... well at least until you consider that California has 12,000,000 more citizens.

So on a per capita basis - Texas is creating a new job for 114 citizens while California is creating a new job for 237 citizens.

That would mean that Texas is creating over TWICE as many jobs as California on a per capita basis.

On a percentage basis, the top four states for growth were Alaska (+1.7 percent), North Dakota (+1.2 percent), Vermont (+0.9 percent) and South Dakota (+0.8 percent). Wisconsin came in at +0.3 percent.

Funny - all of the above but the isolated Vermont are states with repub governors, huh?

Doug - First and foremost it's this or dealing with the crap on my desk. THis is far more entertaining.

Also - it is helpful in two ways. First it really gives my some insight into the libbie mind. I had no idea how they think, so this is instructive. Similarly, I have a very close friend who used to be a hard core libbie. He is slowly turning. In fact, come April 14th he gets down right conservative.

This guy is a lot smarter than me, but lately I have been crushing him in our many political arguments. This place allows me to hone my responses and brings me up to speed on the facts. All I need to do these days is bust out the $14.5 trillion debt, $1.9 trillion deficit and now the $3 million in new debt added every minute. There just is no viable response to that.

It's one thing to argue concepts, but another to have a fairly good command of the specifics.

Besides, I like hearing the opinions and view points of others. I may not agree, but they are absolutely entitled to have them and I enjoy the back and forths.

Also I have a crush on Anna Molly. She beat me down pretty good today, but that's ok, I'll be back for more.

dirp

As to a WPA type program, maybe that is in the works. Of course the Republicans would never pass it, even if President found a way to pay for it without raising taxes.

I actually thing that is the only type of thing which will pull the country completely out of the Recession.

And what was the unemployment rate after all of those years of brilliant "progressive" ideas, experiments and job bills and job plans and job programs?

Fifteen Percent.

The only thing that got the progressives out of the recession/recovery was Japan, Germany and something called WW II.

bob- they will never get it.

So we are sure to be entertained for a long time.

Keep hitting them with the facts. It really does shut them up in a hurry.

[First and foremost it's this or dealing with the crap on my desk. THis is far more entertaining.]

AAAAAAAAND he gets to bill his time here as "research", right "counselor?

...so, just how much money did you lose today, ambulance chaser?

Internet crushes seldom work Spank. Witness Aruba. Don't invite her to go scuba diving.

The problem with the left is they are stuck on one channel and that one is fuzzy. I'm not even sure they possess any good ideas any longer.

I bet (look.....a challenge to my leftie FR cohorts) they cannot tell you why America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth. Matter of fact, I would bet dollars to donuts that the first response (if from a leftie) is why it's not.

Know what's funny? Bev begging republicans not to blame the earthquake on Obama.

Sorry -- BUT I can't help it... Why do I picture the grizzly grama with the pink sponge rollers in her hair & turtleneck flannel nightie - trying to sleep at night while visions of Obama dance in her head? lol

Unfortunately for her -- there is NO cure for her irrational hatred of the President...

Good news is -- I still have a front row seat when he's re-elected and her head explodes!!! LMAO!

Anna Molley only hurts me with her words.

Besides she's from Wisconsin, so I naturally assume she is not scuba certified.

Bob:

That would mean that Texas is creating over TWICE as many jobs as California on a per capita basis.

DO try to pay attention. The net job growth in Texas is mostly PUBLIC SECTOR jobs. And they're all about to get laid off again because the stimulus ran out.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/12/news/economy/perry_texas_jobs/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

The state budget cuts alone could result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs, many of them in the public sector, Clower said. Thousands of teachers are already feeling the impact of more than $5 billion in cuts to education funding.

The private sector jobs in Texas are being created mostly in the energy industry.

Of course, Texas enjoys advantages that have nothing to do with having Perry at the helm. Rich in natural resources, the state has been benefiting from the high price of oil and the expanded interest in natural gas exploration. Energy employment has soared by 16.8% over the past year alone.

And also using government money, just like the stimulus, but on the state level, as detailed in the article I quoted above.

Anyone could be doing that.

Spanky:

Anna Molley only hurts me with her words.

Oh, pish. How can you hurt when you never listen?

Once again, AM, you are either

A- wrong, because you don't know what the heck you are talking about, or

B- wrong, because you are deliberately distorting.

http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

Yes, it's statistics, but, yes, it's pretty easily understood.

Oh- before you dismiss it out of hand, the link was sent to me by Nate Silver. You've heard of him- started 538- which is now owned by The New York Times.

Surprised you haven't seen it- I've been posting the link since I read it. It's great work, and debunks every single one of the liberal arguments.

Math geeks' only political allegiance is to math. Go figure.

Oh, and, by the way- that spike in federal employees came in the middle of 2010. Let's see, what happened in 2010?

Oh, yeah. The census.

I'm pretty sure you find the same spike in every state.

In anticipation of a republican president and a republican held house and senate ... PA Governor Corbett is airing a public service message in PA .. without mentioning 2012 or any thing special ..Governor Corbett is telling the people of PA .. that they should not wait until there is a crisis .. they should start makeing long term plans for the future NOW.. Does Governor Corbett think there may be a repeal of .. Medicare .. Social Security ..healthcare reform ???

No, he thinks there could be a cat four hurricane hitting Philly on Sunday afternoon.

Thanks for playing. You'd be more amusing if we weren't dealing with the four year disaster that is Obama.

Think you could get him to quit while he's leading from behind?

Anna

I don't mean to jump in where I'm not invited; but you haven't even mentioned the $4 BILLION cuts in Education this year in the State of Texas,...they predict that will be a loss of another 210,000 jobs.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2011/07/texas-education-job-cuts-may-haunt.html

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/19/news/economy/texas_budget_deficit/index.htm

Do continue with your factual spanking of the local 'talking heads'. They really should come into the light at some point,...but colon vision must be more to their liking.

Hey Spanky,

"So we are sure to be entertained for a long time."

Are you kidding ....

Beverly in Chicago

Joe in Albany

Bev, I'm thinking you had baked beans for lunch and now the entire east coast of the U.S. just felt the aftershock.

You did? If only that were true your GOPee-T- ass would still be shakin like a salt shaker.

Go back to you hole where the rest of the Rat bit!ches are.

For the record I don't like or at baked beans. Try collard greens and corn bread next time

Mark and Domenico ought to charge a cover for reading Bev some days ....

"The best of Bev's bowels and baked beans."

Yea, this place is pretty entertaining.

Anna M,

The net job growth in Texas is mostly PUBLIC SECTOR jobs.

Gosh, what part of the following, from your source, leads you to say that .....

...... nearly all industries are doing well, said Jim Gaines, research economist at The Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University.

Construction jobs, for instance, have grown by 5.4% in the past year, according to the center. Employment in professional services is up 4.5% and in the hospitality business by 3%. Only the government and information technology sectors have seen drops, of 1.4% and 5%, respectively.

I guess it is that part in bold that gave me a different vibe.

The state budget cuts alone could result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs, many of them in the public sector,

I think the operative word might be ..."could."

Frustrating when you got nothing to argue but coulds, huh?

Rich in natural resources, the state has been benefiting from the high price of oil and the expanded interest in natural gas exploration.

Just imagine what would be happening if someone could get a permit from the feds, if the Gulf wasn't shut down ......

You used California as an argument earlier ..... you want to really compare natural resources, corporate relocation (natural) appeal ..... with Texas?

And also using government money, just like the stimulus, but on the state level, as detailed in the article I quoted above.

Government money? The money collected from the citizens / companies of the individual states and sent to DC?

The citizens and companies of Texas aren't entitled to get any of the money they send to Obama back?

Why should Mexican drug cartels receive millions in stimulus and Texas not get anything?

Clara,

What state is screwing up?

Say what you want, but bottom line -

Liberal California is broke and can't afford to buy text books. Hence conservative Texas pretty much writes the text books for the country since they buy more than any other state, (including California which has half again more people.)

Liberalism's a bitch, huh?

Pro Growth? More like pro business and pro wealthy. Growth of good jobs, wages and benefits not so much.

Devie, Yes,

Transnational companies refusing to say on a companybycompany basis how many jobs they are/not creating. Or how how many jobs they're sending overseas.

Data 2000-2009 shows that such companies cut 2.9 million jobs in the US ~~ and added $2.9 million jobs overseas.

Big firms and transnationals are hiding their outsourcing of jobs. By revealing only their 'global breakdown', they avoid giving us the local & national details.

online.WSJ.com/article/SBI0001424052748704821704821704576270783611823972.html

Meant to say above, "such companies cut 2.9 million jobs in the US ~~ and added 2.4 million jobs overseas".

Oh so now those evil big business owe you an explanation, eh Backhouse?

By some stock, get elected to the board of directors and they'll have to listen to you.

So Backhouse, read any good financial statements lately? Me, I like the Cash Flow Statement, but there are several others that are good.

YOU, Spankie, are concerned about someone owing someone else an explanation? Git awwta heah, ewe!

Uh, no Drive By, just the opposite.

But then again, I'm sure you boss shares all the details of the business with you. You get to know what you need to know, just like Backhouse and all the rest.

And yo are fortunate for it. Probably even get a good night sleep every night.

What are you rambling on about?

Thursday fall on a Tuesday this month??

Sp,

1. Transnationals are pushing for lawmakers to cut their tax bills in the name of job creation.

2. So yes, they will have to open their books.

3. What are you defending?

4. What's wrong with disclosing the data on jobs created here and overseas?

(Ref: same as above)

Why would they have to open their books? If it's cheaper to operate over seas, that's where they will go.

I am defending the right of a business person to be able to decide where and how to operate. If I want to relocate to another state I should have to answer to no regulatory agency.

Hence the problem with the NRLB and Boeing. Very similar in my view.

High road, meet low road.

Sp,

Why did you change the subject?

If a company is getting US tax breaks, loans, grants or any other federal assistance, isn't there an obligation that they hire Americans?

Why did you change the subject?

He's only doing what HE does BEST! lol

No Backhouse, they do not.

It is the politicians that are passing out the public's money. It is they that hold the public's trust. Corporations are motivated to make a profit and secondarily to please shareholders.

In reference to the tax code specifically - it is written to accomplish many goals, many of which are just stupid. But that's one the ones writing the code, not the ones complying with the law.

If the purpose of giving corporations public money is so they hire Americans then it is the politicians giving out the cash that need to make sure that is what happens.

Too bad politicians are incompetent.

Oh and Feisty my love - how on earth could you know anything about what I do best? You have me on ignore, or have you forgotten?

Sure you do. :)

Oh Sp,

You changed the subject, again.

Well for goodness sakes Backhouse, have you not been paying attention to this thread?

Us conservatives are stupid-er than you all, and so you will need to tell me what the subject is.

Something about private business having to publicly disclose information.

Seems un-American to me, but then again ....

Pro growth is just a name it has nothing to do with growing the middle class or wages or anything for the working men and women of this country .. its kinda like tea party Patriots an oxymoron

You & the family stay safe you hear?

Luckily the hurricane looks to be more of a North Carolina / South Carolina thing at this point. Good for us, not so good for them. But thanks for thinkin of us! :-)

Hope you stay safe, Grimey!

We actually felt the quake here in my office building in suburban Pittsburgh. Glad everyone is safe.

My husband---the disaster magnet---is in the DC area this week attending classes---his 3rd time being near an active earthquake!

Thankfully I've never experienced a quake or hurricane. My closest brush was being on vacation in Houston/Galveston when Katrina hit. Needless to say it was hard to find a hotel due to all the evacuees pouring in.

Also, I remember after Katrina, Florida got hit by a hurricane and my brother in law from Weston, Fl came to Texas for an unexpected visit till it passed.

Frank good luck to you and everyone else in Florida and the Southeast coast.

Feisty, Hi thanks for the good wishes. Felt the earthquake here on the beach. Getting ready for the hurricane this weekend as i'm on a barrier island oh well wish me luck. take care. lisa S.

The Troika is undoubtedly forming their response as we speak.

I promise not to blame President Obama for it as long as you promise not to blame former President Bush. ;-)

In the spirit of bipartisanship and a desparate need to blame someone, let's blame both houses of Congress!

Through a spokesman, Obama was quick to point out that this is yet another problem he's inherited from Bush.

drive-by-observer

Has the Club for Growths found a way to blame the East Coast earthquake on Obama yet? Has Hannity? Has JAS1?

Wait for it; JAS1 and Spanky haven't gotten their e-mails from Hannity yet.

Don't forget the appeal for money to save this country and world from Obama's "earthquake" will be included.

What are you talking about??? This is DICK CHENEY'S weather dominator causing all of this!!!

Oh, aye!!! The Illuminati is behind all of this!!! Colonel Sanders got upset that his secret blend of eleven herbs and spices almost got out and is now hell-bent on destroying the eastern half of the United States to teach us a lesson!!! Don't mess with the Colonel's chicken!!!

So Bev, I was reading about the MLK statute and suck and was surprised to see that the family charged the government $800,000 to use his likeness and words.

What's up with that?

Drive-by----here's the difference between some posters. When I heard of the earthquake, I quickly said a prayer for those in the quake zone and the rescue people. Others here have made similar points. No Joe says she immediately thought of how President Obama would spin this disaster. No mention of the possible loss of life, homes, etc. Need I say more?

Need I say more?

Nope! You summed it up succinctly Steeler Fan...

They continue to demonstrate daily that compassion just isn't part of their DNA...

"They continue to demonstrate daily that compassion just isn't part of their DNA..."

Well, yes- that and the fact that they basically, well.............bite the big one.

Feisty,

Compassion just isn't' part of their DNA...

Coming from you, so fresh. Do you ever read anything you write?

Coming from you, so fresh. Do you ever read anything you write?

Still haven't found a cure for your Feisty Fever eh?

That's a RICH comment coming from YOU of all people...

Now run along and find someone else to troll thetata's...

PS: Since when you you know anything about fresh?

Totas - irony is obviously not her bag. :)

So Bev, I was reading about the MLK statute and suck and was surprised to see that the family charged the government $800,000 to use his likeness and words.

What's up with that?

Because using Spanky's likeness and words would have been a cheap shot.

But really, I think they took the low road on that one.

Could have been lower!

Irony is a by-product of mental masturbation.

But if your in to it, Spanky, carry on.

So Richard what did the money go for, and are you calling me ugly?

The use of my "likeness and words would have been a cheap shot."

Gosh Richard, need I remind you that word hurt?

So what is up with that?

What's wrong Feisty, having an off day? OK, so we are back to fresh again, like in Summer's Eve? I though we went over this already?

Summer's Eve might be from your generation, not mine, that's old school.

Little dementia maybe?

"...are you calling me ugly?"

I'm sure you're 'beautiful', in your own way. Like a starry summer night
or a snow covered winter's day.

Feel better now?

Why thank you Richard, I do.

So what's allthis about the low road and mental masterbation?

[I'm sure you're 'beautiful', in your own way.]

Richard, Schpanky's cheesed because gold is about to tumble, and he's out of salt...

...maybe he can sell it back to Glenn Beck...?

Well, steeler fan, you obviously do not rptravel.

I do. I've been to California, and Japan, Indonesia, Singapore-

And, I can tell you, that earthquake was not exactly a "destroyer".

Now, I realize that there was general hysteria, but the fact of the matter is, two good size trucks colliding would have produced more ground disturbance.

It was kind of the difference between a paper cut and a cut artery.

But go on ahead and feel superior because you are so compassionate.

Funny thing that, eh nojo?

They have been on the losing end of this debate for a long time. Difference is now they are starting to get that sad fact. So away we go with the conservatives are_______.

So far on this thread is is not compassionate, stupid and a bunch of fun stuff from TruePatriot.

Given the direction of Obama's approval rating I have no doubt it's going to get a lot worse, or to me, more entertaining than ever. :)

And, I can tell you, that earthquake was not exactly a "destroyer".

YOU know what Granny - tell it to the PEOPLE of Haitai - you bitter old broad...

Personally - I am still waiting for that little peanut shell of a brain of yours to EXPLODE!

I can totally envision you - with you're turtleneck flannel nightie, pink sponge rollers in your hair and dreaming of Obama visions dancing in your head!

Its pretty odd, is it not, Spanky-

The same people who think the worst thing in the world happened because their floors shook, think Obama, who has destroyed more livelihoods than any other president, is the greatest thing since tuna in a can.

I will never understand any liberal over the age of thirty.

I don't find them entertaining. I find them pitiful-

With all the contempt that implies.

I should also mention that watching Obama's sinking approval is gratifying, but not nearly as entertaining as the legions of former Obama worshippers bemoaning their supporting him over Hillary.

That ship has sailed- she's no longer interested.

As long as either Perry or Romney can fix what Obama has broken, I'll look back on these as "the good old days"-but I AM looking forward to 11/07/2011- that will be a red letter day. . .

Pun intended.

Perry or Romney can't beat him in the presidential election irregardless of the latest polls. Young and old will turn out in droves for the election and republicans have nothing but misery to offer these groups, not to mention they won't get any minority votes, Republicans can obviously win local and state elections but the tent is too small for a national race. He beat McCain and Palin in an electoral landslide what makes you think people will now go for Perry or Bachmann. If the republicans turn down the presidents jobs bill they will have instantly let Obama and Democrats off the hook and politically they will own the bad economy and high unemployment. Argue the numbers and time-line all you want that is the politics of the situation, all the anguish about unemployment will be instantly laid at republicans doorstep if they block the jobs bill. Do you think they polled all those little old republican grannies and grampys that now look to Obama to save their SS and medicare from the Ryan plan. Do you think 40 -55 year olds will vote to have SS benefits cancelled when they have paid into that system for years. If you believe in the polls do you think that the polls that show 80% of the people wanting taxes to be raised on the wealthy mean something. It is going to take some better candidates and some new ideas to beat Obama in the presidential race, he already beat these exact type of candidates that had exactly the same ideas, he beat them bad, he beat them like a rented mule.

...or the bus!

Clara - GF -- I liked you Limpballs comparision MUCH better! ;o)

My thought too Clara, some will say oh that is why he left DC, he arranged it, or his policies are to blame or something he should have done...you know how the derange think as they run around with their hair on fire. Hope you are feeling better.

Lou Rawls should have made 'Dead End Street' about the BUS. " The aaawlll mighty BUS" instead of the HAWK......

patHuntingtonNY

I guess Chris Christie must've been somewhere in Northern VA this afternoon and tripped and fell on his way to the all you can eat buffet lunch special at Golden Corral.

patHuntington

Your summation is the best yet!

No doubt, Christe is capable of it.

LOL...I just snorted my drink through my nose at another fat joke.

Tell you what, email the President to stay indoors this weekend. Don't want the Secret Service having to explain how Irene just caught him around the ears and blew him away.

So styeriotypical of Progressives, but a little on the forth grade level.

Oh Dan use your spell check, your spelling is on a fourth grade level

Say Pat - who is fatter Christie or Al Gore?

You do loves you some Big Al, right? Of course you do.

And Nixon is the most-respected source (hmm) -- The 2012 election is pointless for the GOP/TP candidates who's Party is responsible for the country's wretched fate.

True Patriot,

How is the Tea Party Movement lumped into this mess. This has been going on for years the Tea Party Movement, only been around 2 years.

FYI, Its both Republicans and Democrats at fault, to blame only the Republicans is disingenuous.

LOL

What are the four primary characteristics most associated with those Americans sympathetic to the Tea Party? "Authoritarianism, ontological insecurity (fear of change), libertarianism and nativism." So says one of the many findings in a study presented to the American Sociological Association on Monday.

In an interview with one of the researchers, it was noted how these traits are consistent with earlier right-wing movements (e.g., Goldwater), and how more broadly "these cultural strands help explain the Republican Party." That the results are "significant predictors of Republican Party membership" and that the Tea Party merely reinforces pre-existing strands of the late 20th Century Republican Party.

The Tea Party is simply Republican supply-side economics and social engineering on steroids. The economic meltdown and Great Recession resulted from these failed policies, and now the Tea Party is making matters worse with obstructionist gridlock to that end.

Both Parties are NOT equally to blame--even S&P has made that clear. The Dems are the only ones offering olive branches and making concessions, while the Republicans (the minority Party) alone refuse to compromise on anything.

Sure, anything you say, geez.

Well then what a good thing TruePatriot that the republican party is just the minority, right?

But that's ok because as you can see below Psychology Today is out with a study that proves conservatives are stupid-er than libbbies.

So to recap - you all have the majority and are smarter.

So what's with all the whining? Seems to me TruePatriot you ought to focus less on what the dumb minority is doing and more on what the smart majority is [or is not] doing.

You know, as long as we are going to be painting with the broad brush. Or is it just a bad case of mis-placed anger. 60 lonely, ontological insecure tea party freshmen ruling the world world. huh.

So Truepatriot - what has the super smart majority done to make you life better?

Hummm, the Left coast and the Northeast under water. That would amount to about 85% of Obama's supporters, hummmm.

Maybe the planets will align on November 6th instead of December 21st.

Earlier in the year the White House announced a review of all regulations to get rid of those that aren't necessary, redundant, too burdensome, etc. I participated in a conference of business owners where we were invited to submit ideas to the process.

Good for you Steeler Fan, honestly.

You are correct. I remeber he said something about it in his State of the Union. Obama gave an example about the Dept. of Interior having jurisdiction over protecting waterways and certain fish but another department having jurisdiction over other fish in estatuaries.

I'm not against redundant or unneccessary regulations being removed as long as they are not reducing safety and welfare. My main point is that whatever Obama does it will not endear him to the right. His move to push for reducing business burdens to free up job growth, while a good idea on paper, will just mean business will have a couple of extra bucks that they will NOT use to hire.

I'm hoping as I'm sure you are that Obama comes out with a detailed jobs plan that focuses on the middle class. I'm a bit tired of the targeted tax cuts in the hopes that the generous business leader hires some of the rest of us. The plan needs to take a look at the problem of high concentration of unemployment in urban areas and among young people who may have schooling but no experience.

I'm with you Yellowdog----you see their reaction---"too little, too late".

At this conference, I did have the sense that the White House staffer who was there (who was very knowledgeable) was interested in what we were suggesting. They had a series of regional conferences and she said some of the same ideas were recurring but that there were also new things brough up at each conference and they were being considered. This happened at the end of April.

But you guys have to remember that whenever Obama speaks, no matter the subject or how thoughtfully and constructive his ideas, the Repubs go into that glassy-eyed stare with loud drumming in their ears, then they can honestlly say they never heard him.

Good point, Frank. When did the EPA become public enemy #1 to them?

Yeah, and we all know who'll be screaming the loudest when fresh water and clean air are at a premium.

In addition - the GNOPers are against it before they even know what it is, as an example -when is a tax hike not a tax hike - when it is good for the middle class but doesn't effect the wealthy - ie - the payroll tax the repubs want to raise, even though Pres. Obama wants to keep the tax relief in effect,. But perish the thought to allow the Bush / Obama tax cuts expire and all bloody heck erupts cuz now you are raising taxes......go figure.

Does make you wonder when the EPA and Dept of Education became the evil of government. President Richard Nixon established the EPA in 1970 for the good of the people. Guess the GOPTP has forgotten that Lake Erie was dead because of industrial pollution nor do they remember "acid rain."

Good point, Jody---how about when the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland was actually on fire? And let's not forget Love Canal.

Must be the same reason Obama is visiting his friends on Matha's Vineyard. Hey, is that you Bobby?

Nicely said, Rudy Gonzales.

It is depressing to me how some voters never learn. Bush left office considered one of the worst Presidents we ever had, and now a portion of the electorate are prepared to re-elect him.

It's not just Perry's Texan persona - all the Republican candidates share Bush's governing philosophy. There is not a shades' worth of difference between Romney and Bush's policies, the policies that resulted in the worst job creation record in modern times, and here a big portion of voters are like "oh let's try that again." Unbelievable.

This from Amy, who believes Carter was one of the best, right Amy?

$3 million per minute Amy. You just can't do worse than that.

And speaking of preferences : Polls are what they are, but oh my, 38% today? Tipping point has been reached, the preference cascade has begun.

What do you think Amy, we looking at low 30s by early September?

Amy: And here a big portion of voters are like "oh let's try that again."

What do you think Ames? Think the voters will do a Hope and Change and pick someone else next year? Or will they say 'oh let's try that again' while looking forward to four more years of Obama's economic success stories?

'Oh let's try that again' - that could be Obama's re-election bumper sticker.

I don't think so or I should say, I hope NOT. An Iowa Republican who was at the State Fair and listened to Perry's soap box speech answered a journalist, who asked if he would support Perry, with "America's not ready for another flag-waving Texan." I have an idea that when many voters see Perry, they will see the caricature of Bush 43.

It doesn't help when "oh, that liberal media" prints an article with the headline For Obama, Nuanced Victory, when the body of the article describes how quiet but effective and SUCCESSFUL his leadership on Libya was and has earned us new allies and renewed respect.

Doesn't MSNBC know that a big portion of the country ONLY reads headlines? That headline was too subtle by half.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44241560/ns/politics-white_house/

"'Oh let's try that again' - that could be Obama's re-election bumper sticker."

Or, how about "let's pick a strategy, and all pull TOGETHER and support it for the common good, and give it more than 2 or 3 years to work?"

[ I have an idea that when many voters see Perry, they will see the caricature of Bush 43. ]

When voters look at Obama, they see a caricature of Carter 39.

DBO - Or, how about "let's pick a strategy, and all pull TOGETHER and support it for the common good, and give it more than 2 or 3 years to work?"

No. Sorry. I don't think so. This is why we have elections for prez every four years Buzz. To limit the damage they cause.

The comparisons to Jimmy are so last year.

Given the ecomony and complete lack of any plan, even the liberal pundits, including the black leaders have begun to turn.

The Amys and the Jodys can cheer lead all they want, but the general consensus is we are in a double dip, if not a depression. Further the forecasts now are for sustained non growth for years, not months.

I long for the days of Malaise. This is far worse.

"This is why we have elections for prez every four years Buzz. To limit the damage they cause."

Doesn't always work, though, does it? Think 2004 here. (or, do court decisions not count?)

[...but the general consensus is we are in a double dip...]

Still got that mouse in your pocket, Schpanky? Seems you may have lost some money today, Little Dude...

Good for you as stupid.

I'm sure that it means a lot to you.

But as you might be able to guess [using that huge brain of yours] I likely will not be reading the article.

I'm gosh after reading your postings it is just so obviously true. :)

Oh, go ahead and read it... might brighten your day or something.

The lesson I learned from the article was, "don't raise your kids to be political conservatives because they will have a lower I.Q. and are more apt to in-breed."

I'm serious=== check it out.

Not as stupid as yo think- He's afraid to read it. You know, the truth really does hurt.

He's afraid to read it. You know, the truth really does hurt.

The little ambulance chasing paralegal is MANY things - too bad intellectually curious isn't amongst them!

too bad intellectually curious isn't amongst them!

Particularly since he admonished me to read more on the previous thread. Now that I have, he STILL isn't happy! Go figure!

Guess it is more of that Republican double standard they are so famous for.....

[...too bad intellectually curious isn't amongst them!]

Schpanky's just skeered that he'll find out that...

...Soylent Green is...PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or he might just want to read this:

http://www.sulloway.org/PoliticalConservatism(2003).pdf

So if you raise you kid one way or the other that will effect his or her's IQ. Huh, cause I'm no Nuero-psychologist, but that's not my understanding of how IQ works.

Also not sure how the manner in which you raise your kids could have any effect on their breeding habits.

Tell you what as Stupid, if you can explain that one to me I will be happy to read your article.

But it's ok, we conservatives know full well we are no match intellectually for you libbies. You all have big brains.

Funny thing is I have no idea what my IQ is. I suspect it is a lot like grades in school. Getting straight A's means very little in the real world. In fact in my experience the guys who got A's are not captains of industry and more often than not went into cushy jobs in education, the government or as employees.

How about you As Stupid - you got a huge IQ? If so did it translate into real world success? I know Feisty has a HUGE IQ and she is definitely a captain of industry. Old Gal Industries employees hundreds of people, right?

Guess it is more of that Republican double standard they are so famous for.....

YUP!

I'm sure you've heard the saying 'a legend in their own mind'?

They feel privileged to ask ALL the questions but don't EVER expect a straight answer to one of yours... NEVER!

Skanky is known around these parts as a @!$%# stirrer - she brings nothing of relevance to the conversation & her only purpose here is to rile people up & stir emotions!

It's best to put the little dude on ignore - makes FR a MUCH more enjoyable experience! ;o)

[Skanky is known around these parts as a @!$%# stirrer...]

...yeah, but as a "@!$%# stirrer", he's actually just a "work in progress" on that one...you can only say "AMT" or "CCB" or "tax code" or "Lookie here...I gots GOLD!" so many times...

...speaking of gold, Schpanky...GOT SALT?

Oh Feisty, you love me, you really love me.

As stated before - it appears that the word ignore does not mean what you think it means.

You know like you "ignore ' Nojo. Man, Nojo owns you old gal. It really is unsightly.

As stated before - it appears that the word ignore does not mean what you think it means.

YOU know what you little runt - take all of your expertise on the ignore author feature and then get back to me...

HINT: It won't matter cause I could CARE less about you OR your trolling ways...

You present yourself as an expert on everything else - do some freakin homework for once in you miserable existence...

PS: You are a nasty little troll with teeth - which happens to be a rarity amongst your kind these days!

See, outside of Anna Molly the REST of us are sick and tired of you shtick!

Feisty

You are really a bit nasty tonight. Looks like Spanky got under your skin. BTW - what is your fascination with trolls??? Always part of your losing dismisals.

Oh my old gal you say one thing, but your actions so clearly cry another.

So Feisty, what you gonna do about it?

You could always just ignore me. But I do so love the line "the REST of us are sick and tired of you stick!"

Prey tell, whom do you ever mean? You really make this far too easy.

See you tomorrow old gal. Try to let Bev. come out and play.

I think Feisty has been hitting the bottle. Watch her behavior in the evenings, believe it or note gets more aggressive.

The Queen Feisty has spoken, See, outside of Anna Molly the REST of us are sick and tired of you shtick!

Spanky, This is her world, and you are pissing on it.

Sounds like you and the POTUS have something in common...

Another thing in common is they won't be seeing you or spanky at the mensa gatherings will they....

sheeesh!

I would suggest that anyone reading that article also read "Conservatism: Thought Disorder in Need of a Cure" (and you might want to READ the article before commenting), as well as "Why We Should Ignore Headlines About Group IQ Differences". These are also found at psychologytoday.com.

No surprise Tom, I'm am a conservative and therefore dumb. What could I possibly know about intelligence, right?

But I don't make fun of grammar or spelling. No frigging way.

"I'm am a conservative and therefore dumb"

Only if you're a Tea Bagger .. lol

Only because of the gas/oil boom there. NOthing to do with Perry. Just look at North Dakota too. ND has the lowest unemployment in the U.S. because of the oil boom there. But the ND Governor is not jacka$$ enough to take credit for it!!