How do you figure Obama 2 - Bush 0 on that score?

Saddam was captured while Bush was still President...although, granted, they botched it by handing him over to the Kangaroo Court that Iraq set up for him...even Milosevic and Pinochet got to visit The Hague...I mean, that court was about vengeance and not justice.

How do you figure Obama 2 - Bush 0 on that score?

You're absolutely right Noid - I stand corrected.

Obama lauded the efforts of the international community. "In the face of this aggression, the international community took action," Obama said. He touted the efforts of partnerships not only with traditional European partners, but also Arab nations.

That's right, everyone but the Republicans supported the effort.

He also called for an "inclusive transition that moves toward a democratic Libya." He said, speaking to Libyans: "Your revolution is your own. Now the Libya that you deserve is within your reach." Obama acknowledged there are "huge challenges ahead," but what's happened proves that "fear can give way to hope."

That's right, the revolution needed to be their own. This we've learned from past mistakes (Iraq). No, John McCain, you're wrong. You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Considering how long it has taken for the rebel forces to organize and move to victory, it was pretty fast.

Now if can get "fear to give way to hope" in our own nation... We can look at which Party really is best at national security (Dems), which Party really has a record of tax and spend (Repubs), even which Party really is Christian--helping the poor, taking care of the planet, etc. it's the Dems. The GOP does not have a better product, they are just better at marketing. But pandering to low-information voters -- progressives just can't do that.

Compliments of Lyn, KCMO:

Obama gives a speech to college students in Eqypt in June '09. Jan '11, Tunisha &
Algeria dictators fall, Feb '11 Eqypt dictator falls, Aug '11 Libya dictator is
done, and Syria is hanging on by a thread...

Obama = 1, Bush = 1. Gadhafi is hiding somewhere, not in the bag yet.

I heard one guy in a rebel truck shout, "Now let'e get Frizz-head."

Is that politically correct? Shouldn't the Libyan rebels have respect for the Presidency?

Obama = 1, Bush = 2 (Saddam Hussein, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed)

Actually there were more. Is keeping score really appropriate, though?

As another poster makes note below, if only an IQ test was required before posting... Even a right-wing Hawk referring to the "war on terror" should see the difference between revenge against a dictator, which opened the door for Al Qaeda to enter said country, which then used grievances therein to recruit more terrorists around the world. Hint--the reference is to Iraq.

If only an attention span was required before posting. Even a left-wing Patriot referring to "man made contingency operations" should see the topic was

First Osama bin Laden - now Khaddafy...

VERY BAD MEN departed:

Bin Laden, Khaddafy, Hussein, KSM..... all very bad men. All departed. It's a good thing.

Finally an adult in charge is the difference. LOL!

There are plenty of people tasting shoe leather right now.

I guess this President decided to be Presidential, and decided not to be going flying to an aircraft carrier with an unearned banner written across saying "Mission Accomplished."

Dirpers: "Mission Accomplished."

Obama just pops out every month telling us the economy has "Turned the corner".

Oh JoAnna... If your boy W. had been as smart as President Obama is, we wouldn't even be bogged down (still) in Iraq going deeper and deeper in debt ( while people like you holler and complain for Pres. Obama to fix it.) Come on. Even YOU can't spin this away.

It is a GOOD, move and demonstrates the strong leadership we are under NOW. If only Saddam had been handled the same way...

Nasayu: Oh JoAnna... If your boy W. had been as smart as President Obama is

I just love these constant comparisons by the Libs between Obama and Bush.

Dumb and Dumber.

I guess when that's all you got . . . . . .

Obama isn't smart Nasayu. Not in the least.

He told me he was willing to compare I.Q. results with you joanna...

Really JAS1? Do you depose Speaker Boehner or Senate MINORITY Leader McConnell for their inability to get the country back to work? No. Your hatred lies for one black man and the party he supports. Pretty sad.

JAS1: do you ever stop the hatred ? I really want to know why you hate the President of the United States and America so much.

Other than keeping an eye on his golf game, of course.

BEPA: No. Your hatred lies for one black man and the party he supports. Pretty sad.

Bryan - ahh, did I hit a nerve? Must have if the first thing you go to is the racist nonsense.

You and your pathetic loose collection of lefites are really running out of excuses, aren't you?

Dirp: JAS1: I really want to know why you hate the President of the United States and America so much.

His putting is just okay, he can't chip, and he tees off from the ladies tees.

"You know, so we can finally create some jobs in the future with the hands of our people.
OK- does Obama have a pair on handcuffs on Boehner? Didn't Boehner and the 2010 winners all campaign on how THEY were going to create all these jobs?

If Obama said "it's Monday", you'd bitch about him ingnoring the fact that it is in reality August 22nd. And you know it. And WE all know it, too. So- stow it, y' malcontent. We get it already.

JAS1,

For once, just answer the question. Pretty please with sugar on top?

Yeah you hit a nerve....lol......You know you have when they trot out the old race card.

I'm a blackman and I don't care for Obama as POTUS nor the party he supports. I guess that makes me racist too.

dirp101

"JAS1: do you ever stop the hatred ? I really want to know why you hate the President of the United States and America so much."

Why, you big silly- it's because he reads from a TelePromTer. Not like every other person that appears on TV, doncha know?

BEPA: For once, just answer the question.

I did. I called your comments racist. And they are.

Not sure about you. But over time we'll find out.

Here is their problem, JS1-

In 1996, Bill Clinton had a failed health care initiative, an unpopular tax hike that passed with only democratic votes, and more than a few questions about his character.

He also had a GDP growth rate of 2.8%- coming off a period of fear that the economy was overheating and inflation might begin to spark- and an unemployment rate of 5.4%.

He won.

In 2004, GW Bush had an Iraq war that had become quite unpopular, and a press that was not above printing absolute lies about his background, (remember Dan Rather and the hoax papers that, finally, cost Rather his job?).

He also had a GDP rate of 4.4%, and an unemployment rate of 5.5%.

He won.

What has Obama got? An economy that is stumbling at best, contracting again at worst, and an unemployment rate over nine percent- but only because the civilian labor force is at 1983 levels. One wonders how many hundreds of thousands will be cast out this month.

He only knows one song- government spending, although he now rhymes it with investment.

And, unless I missed something, this statement was put out this morning- not when this article was posted. I'm pretty sure we will see the same chest beating in "the speech" that we saw over the OBl killing- provided this goes well.

None of it will matter. As Carville stated, "it's the economy, stupid". And Obama is pretty stupid on the economy. Historically, unprecedentedly, stupid.

JAS1,

Do you depose Speaker Boehner or Senate MINORITY Leader McConnell for their inability to get the country back to work?

I reposted the question you are dodging. Please let me know if you have difficulty reading or understanding it.

Do you depose Speaker Boehner or Senate MINORITY Leader McConnell for their inability to get the country back to work.

See Bryan, this is where you completely don't "Get it". The government doesn't create jobs Bryan, it interferes with job creation, at least in the long run. So if you're depending on a pol in Washington to get you or anyone else a job, you are one sad foolish individual, which I think describes you and your liberal loons perfectly. So no, I don't expect Speaker Boehner or Senate MINORITY Leader McConnell to "create jobs".

Now Bryan, are you willing to admit your initial response was racist? Please let me know if you have difficulty understanding your poorly formed excuses of trying to blame others for The Obama's failures.

ITM, TX: not supporting President Obama because you don't agree with his policies is one thing, JAS1 does not appear to have anything other than pure hatred. There are no statements like, "President Obama said he was in favor of increasing taxes on those those earning over $250,000, yet he supported keeping the Bush Tax cuts in place for all wage earners."

Instead we get her calling the government of the United States a regime and (very) thinly veiled reference to the President's vacation.

In this area, I think the President acted correctly. He supported the people of Libya, without truly putting any of our troops in harms way.

As to the jobs issue. Aren't all the TeaPublicans saying that government doesn't create jobs ? If the government can't create jobs, how is the President responsible for them ? If he is responsible for the jobs, then allow him to pass some jobs bills and when they are created, I guess he will deserve the credit as well. I think the economy will improve in the next 14 months and then the TeaParty can go back to playing with their dolls and imaginary friends.

The government doesn't create jobs Bryan

So then, the Weeper of the House was flat out lying when he was screaming about 'Where are the JOBS'?

Thank you for finally admitting it...

Bryan E- she'll let you know, right after she huddles up with No Jo and Sparkie, and formulates a reply.

It may have to do with a chip-shot, or Bill Clinton, or DBO's a dim-wit, or something, but she will reply, I imagine.

Ah, poor Drive By. So sensitive about his wit.

Fellas - the government does not create jobs, and the republicans are in control of only 1/3 of it.

Look to Barak "the Applesauce" Obama for leadership on this and all other things.

Cause, as you can see, he's super good at it.

"Fellas - the government does not create jobs,..."

Yes- all those accounting jobs at Ft Harrison in Indy are done by volunteers, doncha know? FAA, too. Oh, and CIA, IRS, NSA, TSA- none of 'em work for acutal money. They just love to keep busy.

DBO: or DBO's a dim-wit, or

I don't think you're a dim-wit Buzz.

I hear a lot of others think you are though. But what do they know, right?

Spank....please! RNC talking point!

the government does not create jobs

Please, if this were the 1930's, you would try to tell that to FDR too I bet.

WPA, CCC, etc., etc.,;;; why would you even post garbage when you and everyone else who has EVER read American history knows better?

Are you just trying to be an instigator? You, Spanky - I would expect more from you.....

[Are you just trying to be an instigator? You, Spanky - I would expect more from you.....]

Uh oh...seems the Schpanky's out of the bag, so to speak...

Ah, but there it is, apparently Not as Stupid, is in fact mis named.

Government does not create jobs. It takes money from some and gives it to others.

Or riddle me this as Stupid - why then does the government not just hire all the unemployed? Why did the PIIGS fail?

Or how about this Not as Stupid - tell us where and how the government gets the money it uses to "create" jobs?

Yo need to read more.

Bill Clinton had a congress that was willing to work with him. Even under Newt Gingrich, they helped to do what was best for the country.

Bush 2 had a congress of his own party for most of his tenure. They worked together with the Democrats to do what was best for the country.

Obama has Boehner, Cantor and McConnell. All have vowed to do whatever was necessary to make Obama fail and be a one term President. They have voted NO on everything from executive and judicial appointments, to bills before congress. The country be damned.

dirp: If the government can't create jobs, how is the President responsible for them?

An excellent question.

So, all of you on the right, how do you explain this one?

Feisty,

I was driving to work, listening to the radio. I heard a sound bite from Mayor Rahm Immanuel (his actual voice on tape) and he said: "The government does not create jobs. The government creates the environment in which businesses can thrive and jobs can be created."

Seriously, I almost had to pull over from shock and joy.

I think Rahm is doing an amazing job so far, don't you?

The government does not create jobs. The government creates the environment in which businesses can thrive and jobs can be created

I'm just pleased the cat if finally out of the bag & the voting pubic can finally realize they were snookered by Boehner & his minions who rode to victory on the promise of JOB creation in 2010!

I think Rahm is doing an amazing job so far, don't you?

Yes -- I do!

dirp: If the government can't create jobs, how is the President responsible for them?

An excellent question.

So, all of you on the right, how do you explain this one?

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The President is responsible in that he is the one who is supposed to take the lead in creating a positive environment in which businesses can thrive. If businesses thrive, employees work, and many of our problems are solved.

President Obama has shown us that he has no interest in creating a positive economic environment. Or maybe, he just doesn't know how.

Villianizing corporations (evil corporations, "fat cats", corporate jets, Wall Street versus Main Street, Rich versus everyone else rhetoric) is not helpful.

Introducing 2600 pages of new regulations is not helpful.

Passing Health Care legislation that employers will have to comply with and therefore pay for (once they figure out what it is and how much they will have to pay) is not helpful.

Turning a blind eye to the action of the NLB while the NLB stands in the way of job creation is not helpful.

Attaching expensive and union-favoring contingencies to Trade Agreements is not helpful.

Forcing businesses to manufacture goods that nobody wants is not helpful.

Picking winners and losers is the job of the consumer. When the government picks winners and losers, it's not helpful.

Not having any sort of plan and keeping the country guessing for 2 1/2 years is not helpful.

Congress is terribly dysfunctional. There are other factors that are hindering growth. But the President, overall, has made things worse and has not been helpful.

Well played Candice.

I suspect you have stumped the libbies with that response.

Also nice slap down of the old gal vis a vis the fine mayor of Chi-town.

Thank you, Spanky.

No slap down to Feisty intended. Chicago's new Mayor and former Chief of Staff is doing an outstanding job so far.

He's taken on the Teamsters (because they make it impossible for lucrative trade shows to come to Chicago); he's taken on the teachers by reversing a scheduled pay hike because the city and state can't afford it right now and by making it harder for them to go on strike; reduced wasteful and arrogant high profile spending by one career alderman; made the statement I referenced above; and I also heard him say (in opposition to a plan to raise taxes for schools yet again) "people are tired of being nickled and dimed to death to support a system that has not been restructured."

I dunno..... I like the guy!

Spanky & Candice: RNC would be proud that you can spin their rhetorical talking points with such authority as you have above - (yawn)

America has heard all that krap repeated before - for years in fact - and have lived through the results of no jobs from such plans; and here you go again.....

Introducing 2600 pages of new regulations is not helpful.

WRONG!! When the wealthy, what was your term? - evil fat-cat corporations bully middle America and the lower classes for their own additional and excessive profits, REGULATION IS VERY HELPFUL as well as necessary.

Or are you a mitten supporter who will try to convince me that a Corporation is a person?

As I said to begin with Spank; You and Candice are spewing RNC talking points, and they are untrue. Otherwise, where are all the jobs that reducing the top tax bracket by 4.9% was going to create? It has been going on since 2002 - how much time do you anticipate before what you say actually happens?

Not as Stupid,

Not talking points. All true.

I am not a Romney supporter. I think he has made some major mistakes in his campaign. But I do think the when you bash a Corporation (which is made up of people), you bash the people who work there. Your fellow citizens, you know?

I know what you are attempting to say, but it is convoluted.

Big corporations, big business, big oil will NOT be the savior that creates the jobs as you promote.

Why? Because they are "made up of people" - the CEO's and boards and corp. officers who are human and thus are GREEDY. Pure and simple fact. They are more interested in the accounting department's "bottom line" and lining their own pockets than they are in people, their employees and "fellow citizens," you know? Human nature, and it won't change. Corporations are inhuman and removed from (read "out of touch with") people. FACT. Won't change. Hasn't changed when the theories you and Spanky advocate were implemented. [1928 wallstreet, 1980's Reaganomics, 2002 top end tax rate reductions, etc.] We - the people - can not stand another round of this; we have enjoyed all the "prosperity" we can stand from the economic theories you are advocating and we are unwilling to allow it to happen again.

You and spanky espouse the RNC plank talking points, spin, and sales pitches to voters, but the reality is that those theories are out of touch - both with the people and with reality. It does not operate in the manner you theorize and promote. Fact. Period.

Hey spanky - how about some witty rebuttal to this which doesn't address the issue and deflects the argument to a different topic? Can you do that for us?

Of course you can, and probably will.

Forrest: at least we did not create any new enemies by occupying another country. The ones who are losing power did not like us in the first place. Hopefully the person who was actually behind the bombing of Pan AM flight 103 will have been killed in the process of removing this terrible regime.

Agreed, Forrest.

Things in Egypt not appearing to be going so well.

Let's face it - it is a jacked up area that is probably beyond any real hope, at least in the short term.

Too many mullahs, not enough face book friends. Hopefully that'll change, but no of those countries can produce anything of value, other than oil and that is only because of the West.

I hope the the Pan Am guy is toast or will be toast in the inevitable "cleansing" that is about to take place.

As it stands it is a good thing, if it morphs into something else we don't need to make it our personal project.

Spanky-:

[Agreed, Forrest.

Things in Egypt not appearing to be going so well.

Let's face it - it is a jacked up area that is probably beyond any real hope, at least in the short term.

Too many mullahs, not enough face book friends. Hopefully that'll change, but no of those countries can produce anything of value, other than oil and that is only because of the West.

I hope the the Pan Am guy is toast or will be toast in the inevitable "cleansing" that is about to take place.]

Wow...just...wow...a very pleasant post, discussing the issues at hand. See how easy that was? Now maybe you and I could discuss the issues in a civil manner? Maybe even agree to disagree?

Yah know, there's hope for you yet, Little Dude...(pssst...I knew you could do it...)

...woof woof...

Nice try Northstar. This regime has done everything in its power to avoid passing anything through Congress. This week alone the administration (EXECUTIVE BRANCH) annouced that it would review all deportation cases (really?), laying a foundation for the DREAM act which failed the legislative process. And let's not forget all of the new federal mandates being handed down by the EPA.