Huntsman tries to get on the radar, but lacking N.H. strength

AP

Jon Huntsman (R) speaks in New Hampshire Aug. 13.

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Jon Huntsman has repeatedly said that "putting down shoe leather in New Hampshire" is his priority for the primary season.

But he's been off the radar here in the Granite State for more than a week. He has instead focused his energy on grabbing attention in the national press -- and via Twitter.

Huntsman's media blitz started last week with a snarky Tweet heard 'round the campaign world. Firing back at Rick Perry's skepticism of evolution, Huntsman snagged his biggest spike in followers and retweets since his campaign began, typing.

"To be clear,” he said. “I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy."

The following day, Huntsman and his family appeared in the pages of Vogue, photographed by Annie Leibovitz. Then the former Utah governor made an appearance on ABC’s “This Week,” and tonight, he appears on CNN with Piers Morgan, showing off his Mandarin Chinese and piano skills.

Here in New Hampshire, Huntsman's national media strategy isn't bearing fruit yet.

At the New Hampshire Young Republican Straw Poll on Saturday, Huntsman remained relatively unknown. He garnered just 3% in the straw poll, behind even Rep. Thaddeus McCotter and landing closer to Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer than Mitt Romney and  Perry, who remain the central subjects of his campaign attacks and are polling at the top of the GOP presidential field.

Huntsman’s campaign says he has seen an uptick in fundraising since his Thursday Tweet. And he is set to be back in New Hampshire at the end of this month.

New Hampshire has the most socially moderate voters of the primary states, and Huntsman, the most moderate of the GOP candidates, needs to do well here.

*** UPDATE *** The Huntsman campaign pushed back, saying they have spent more time in New Hampshire than any other candidate and a profile of Huntsman appeared on the front page of the Concord Monitor Saturday.

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"To be clear,” he said. “I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy."

I will give Huntsman a lot of credit - he's not afraid to speak the truth!

Regrettably - it will cost him any chance at the nomination...

History will show - today's Teapulican mainstreams crazy!

  • 29 votes
#1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:34 AM EDT

“I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy."

I won't call him crazy for those beliefs but I will for thinking he's got a shot at being nominated by the wacko infested GOTP.

  • 23 votes
#1.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:48 AM EDT

Global warming:

1. Absolute and total consensus by all the cool kids in 2009. Too bad that consensus had about as much legitimacy and staying power as the cool kid cabals in junior high. Best part is Gore is a politician and Pachurri, the head of the IPCC is a railroad engineer. No scientific credibility between the two.

2. Irrelevant given the economic realities. Just isn't any money, or will, to transfer huge sums to "poor" countries. In fact we are already seeing a huge backlash against the non-existent green jobs, and policies that cause our energy costs to "skyrocket."

But hey, buig Al, like Romney, has a lovely estate on the west coast, so he's good.

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:55 AM EDT

Maybe if he makes his VP pick now instead of waiting, he'd have a chance.

He should name Palin (without asking her and before she has a chance to announce herself) as his choice, the whole nut case wing will jump on board with him.

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT

Maybe if he makes his VP pick now instead of waiting, he'd have a chance.

He should name Palin...

Then who would take him as a serious candidate after that?

Palin = millstone around the neck. See 2008 campaign for details.

  • 13 votes
#1.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT

He names her (Palin) now, and after the idiots of the right give him the primary nomination he recants and picks someone who could actually help him win the general. Then the middle will actually see he has some brains.

Its a (Primary) win-(General) win for him.

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:16 PM EDT

So the progressives on here think someone who might find solace in christianity a nut job or have issues with the global warming credibility issue as wacko? MMMMM I wonder where that puts the left wing crowd like people in san Francisco who want to outlaw circumcision, or the PETA crowd, or the snail darter environmental wackos, or the Louis Farrakhan supporters who think the jews are behind every financial conspiracy, or the lets rehabilitate sex offenders crowd, or the atheist lets lobby for getting rid of GOD from every conversation crowd, or the socialists, anarchists, the anti education pro union anti meritcracy crowd, the lets keep generational welfare anti personal responsibility and accountability crowd, the lets have complete open borders and amnesty crowd, the lets pat the terrorist on the head because only if we were nicer to them they wouldnt want to kill us crowd, the anti trade pact because its not a global economy crowd and I could go on and on as each of these groups always votes democrat and Obama panders to each.

Instead of calling out the people on the extreme of each party, why not work together towards solutions in the middle however, my guess is that is impossible for the paid posters on here because name calling and personal attacks are far more fun even if they make you less credible right?

  • 10 votes
#1.6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:18 PM EDT

Kirk: Instead of calling out the people on the extreme of each party, why not work together towards solutions in the middle however,

Well Kirk, we have the Congressional Super-Committee performing that duty, which is just another level of responsibility shifting that adds even more uncertainty to what the government will do to damage the economy this time. And what Democrat/Republican on this committee will peel off from the others to get a vote that isn't a tie? None. After that, you just know they'll be yet another committee.

If this committee had anyone with a brain on it, they'd adopt the Presidents Debt Commission report and put it to a vote in the House and Senate.

  • 10 votes
#1.7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:28 PM EDT

Huntsman is the only one running fro the GOP that isn't riding the crazy train. It's shame that the Dumbing down of America folks on the right just don't get it.

  • 16 votes
#1.8 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:36 PM EDT

History will show - today's Teapulican mainstreams crazy!

You got that right Feisty.

  • 17 votes
#1.9 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:41 PM EDT

Circumcision is nothing more than male mutilation. Of course God gave men a foreskin to be cut off by doctors as infants. God the supposed creator of the heavens and earth just didn't know what he was doing when he created man with a foreskin.

These same global warming scientist who don't know what they are talking about also warned of droughts in Texas and surrounding states as part of global warming. We all know Texas in not having a drought and global warming is not real.

Republican answer let us all bury our heads in the sand and pretend anything we want. Pretending and opinions are much more important that the reality.

  • 8 votes
#1.10 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT

Amy is this the same history that holds Obama in such high esteem that his approval rating is 22%? So far I havent seen anything Navy or Fiesty has gotten right in 2 months of reading this blog.

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:46 PM EDT

Yep AMericans First - the exact same scientists that predicted global cooling in the 1970's.

Right then, or right now? Besides, not like there were not droughts in Texas before, right? All only after the indistirial age.

Besides Obama did what he said he'd do - he stopped the rising tides. Why else would Gore have bought that ginormous mansion in Santa Barbra just inches above the water?

  • 9 votes
#1.12 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:51 PM EDT

Kirk-2957282

Way to misconstrue the facts, what are you a Teapublican? President Obama's overall Gallup approval rating at this moment in time is 40%. At the beginning of this awful summer Obama was at 53% He is still more popular now than Ronald Reagan was in 1983, when Reagan hit 35%.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/Presidential-Approval-Ratings-Gallup-Historical-Statistics-Trends.aspx

  • 11 votes
#1.13 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 PM EDT

I was reading my local lefty rag during lunch today and found a sad commentary editorial cartoon that basically says all that needs to be said about Barry and his handling of the economy:

It is titled " The 2011 Obama Bus Tour" and it shows a bus crash with the bus laying on its side, Barry hanging out the driver's window with a big smile on his face, broken windows, mangled bus parts, wheels falling off, and desparate people trying to escape from the emergency exits.

The logo on the side of the bus: ECONOMY

Sad, but, true.

BTW, the only thing that could've made it more real this week is a sidebar cartoon of his vacation palace with a "For Rent $50K Per Week" sign in front of it and Barry saying "I'm not sure it includes greens fees at the local country club?"

  • 7 votes
#1.14 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:58 PM EDT

Kirk finding solace through Christianity is one thing, trying to find science through Christianity is quite another. As far as being circumcised is concerned, your business with your private is your own private business!

  • 16 votes
#1.15 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT

obama is losing his base and the democrats agenda is the problem.... why? A lot of reasons but mainly it's because:

The folks who are getting free ‘stuff’,
Don't like the folks who are paying for the free ‘stuff’,
Because the folks who are paying for the free ‘stuff’,
Can no longer afford to pay for both the free ‘stuff’ and their own ‘stuff’.

And, The folks who are paying for the free ‘stuff’,
Want the free ‘stuff’ to stop.
And the folks who are getting the free ‘stuff’,
Want even MORE free ‘stuff’ on top of the free ‘stuff’ they're getting already!

Now..... The people who are forcing people to PAY for the free ‘stuff’,
Have told the people who are RECEIVING the free ‘stuff’,
That the people who are PAYING for the free ‘stuff’,
Are being mean, prejudiced and racist.

So .... the people who are GETTING the free ‘stuff’,
Have been convinced they need to HATE the people who are PAYING for the
free ‘stuff’ because they are selfish. And they are promised more free ‘stuff’ if they will vote for
the people who force the people who pay for the free ‘stuff’ to give them even more free ‘stuff’.

And - - - - - that's the Straight ‘stuff’!

Honest taxpayers have seen the light..... they are just waiting to pick the team that can lead us out of the abyss of the last 3 years!

  • 12 votes
#1.16 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:03 PM EDT

BTW, the only thing that could've made it more real this week is a sidebar cartoon of his vacation palace with a "For Rent $50K Per Week"

The folks who are getting free ‘stuff’,

You know it's summer when we're deep into the reruns... lol

PS: It SUCKED the first time around - what makes you think repeating it makes it any more germane?

PPS: You're still forgetting to bitch about the bus? Or didn't you get any traction from that shiny object?

  • 15 votes
#1.17 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

what makes you think repeating it makes it any more germane?

________________________________________________

Nasty Redhead: If it annoys you, I've succeeded!!

Have a Nasty day!!

PPS: You're still forgetting to bitch about the bus? Or didn't you get any traction from that shiny object?

_________________________________________________

Did you miss the first three paragraphs of my post or are you just that DENSE??

BTW, have an EXTRA Nasty day!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 6 votes
#1.18 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

I got a foreskin joke!

A Rabbi saves all the foreskins from circumcisions he has performed until he gets enough to take them to a leather worker and have a nice wallet made out of them. He is in the checkout lane paying for his purchase when the lady behind him says "my what a fine looking wallet" and the Rabbi says "Thank you, it is a great wallet and if you rub it it turns into a briefcase!"

  • 10 votes
#1.19 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:11 PM EDT

Have a Nasty day!!

You too - may there be a bone hidden somewhere in your beloved Salmon...

  • 11 votes
#1.20 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:14 PM EDT

Surreal entertainment.

We got us Forrest talking about foreskins and circumcisions and Feisty talking about hidden bones.

Except of course Forrest is making a joke,and Feisty is calling for Joe's death.

I'd say something about karma, but it looks like karma has already dealt pretty brutally with poor Feisty.

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

Eva, you can't mean free stuff like the money the multi-billion dollar oil industries are getting from our government in subsidies.

Or how about the tax cuts for corporations that have moved jobs out of America.

We would like the free stuff to stop, especially that going to the already wealthy.

I first began to realize how unfair the tax code was to the poor when I bought a duplex and rented the other half. I could claim everything down to the last repair, replacement or upgrade against my rental income and then only had to pay regular taxes on that money.

On the other hand I was a self employed seamstress. First off I had to pay a self employment tax, can't remember if it was 20 or 25% now and then I had to pay taxes on the money I earned.

I immediately realized that if I only had rental money, I would be paying a lot less in taxes and working a lot less for my money. That is only one way the rich pay less taxes.

Those poor, poor rich people everyone (80%) thinks they should pay more taxes.

  • 4 votes
#1.22 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

Its a shame these science folks were not around during the first ice age..bet they could have had answers for that one too. The problem I see is that every politican says what he thinks folks want to hear..of course, none of them so far , have paid any attention to what the voters have been saying for 4 years..and that is jobs..however, we have elections coming up next year..that takes number one place over every politican ...no matter the cost to this country. The other problem is of course lobbyist money...buying politicans into office....and we are at fault for allowing that to happen. Honesty in government...politicans careing about this country..only words no actions from any of them.

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

Did you miss the first three paragraphs of my post or are you just that DENSE??

Sorry - I missed it!

I've read enough of your so-called 'humor' and have learned to skip it...

It's not like it's funny or anything...

  • 10 votes
#1.24 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

You too - may there be a bone hidden somewhere in your beloved Salmon...

_______________________________________

No salmon today, Betty. Filet and Alaska sockeye salmon are reserved for the best days of the week, Th-Sun. Most Monday's only rate fresh ground Angus burgers with lots of grilled onions and garlic, and a side of fresh moz and tomato salad.

But, thanks for your kind thoughts on the bone in my salmon.

  • 3 votes
#1.25 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:29 PM EDT

But, thanks for your kind thoughts on the bone in my salmon.

Right back at you buddy - why should I be the only one enjoying a extra nasty day!

Just wanted to share the spirit with you...

  • 12 votes
#1.26 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:36 PM EDT

Spanky: No scientific credibility between the two.

And what scientific credibility allows you to judge this, Spanky?

  • 8 votes
#1.27 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

KirK:

So the progressives on here think someone who might find solace in christianity a nut job ....

This is for Kirk (borrowed from a fellow blogger):

If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus is just as selfish as we are or we’ve got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition. And then admit that we just don’t want to do it.

~ Stephen Colbert

I always wonder what makes people think that everyone who doesn't agree with them must be paid to disagree with them.

Kirk:

my guess is that is impossible for the paid posters on here because name calling and personal attacks are far more fun even if they make you less credible right?

It might do you some good to puzzle that out and see where the answer takes you.

Good luck and Godspeed.

  • 12 votes
#1.28 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:51 PM EDT

Right back at you buddy - why should I be the only one enjoying a extra nasty day!

_________________________________________

Because you're a natural, and really, really, nasty at it??

Hey, everyone is good at something. Barry is good at making speeches, Nancy is good at terrorizing the House Dems with her broom-flying swoops in the halls of Congress and her threats hissed at Dems to "get you my little pretties, and your little dogs, too" and Harry.... OK.... you got me there, Harry's worthless.

LOL!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.29 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:04 PM EDT

Which two fielden?

My point is simply that Obama's science czar said in the 70's that Global Cooling was coming, and now has switched to Global Warming.

Was he right in the 70's or now, cause they are mutually eexclusive events it would seem to me.

  • 3 votes
#1.30 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT

It seems that Mr Huntsman is correct about the Republican/TP Inc. party, they don't want to even believe the science that is staring them right in the face. Here are a couple of links addressing the red herring about the 'ice age' that was predicted in the 1970s:

http://www.nicholas.duke.edu/thegreengrok/aerosolsandcooling

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-global-cooling-myth/

Any time one of you anti-science, right wing nut jobs (and I am not saying that all right wingers are nut jobs, look at Jon Huntsman, he isn't) bring up this myth, you lose all credibility. Period.

  • 6 votes
#1.31 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:42 PM EDT

Yes it is kind of surreal, I was definitely surprised to see the word foreskin in a post, so I just went with it, you only get so many chances to use a good foreskin joke Spanky.

  • 5 votes
#1.32 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:46 PM EDT

Anna Molly, I dont care if you agree with me and thats not the issue. Its the personal attacks calling christians nut jobs and wackos and anything Perry says is the second coming of retard nation. You disagree with me all the time but I dont call you a right wing nut job as opposed to the left wing nut jobs I mentioned right? Its all silliness to me. As for the Christianity part, I agree completely with that quote as an "ETHICAL or MORAL" obligation and not a government imposed I take from you to give to others mandate. And on that front, every statistic shows that republicans are far more charitable than democrats (because they like to spend other people's money rather than their own) and christians are far more charitable than atheists.

Besides are you saying that we dont spend enough money on welfare and social services already in this country as spending as certainly increased to the point its become an entitlement rather than a safety net dont you think? Further we provide entitlements like social security and medicare to the wealthiest segment of the population our seniors at least in the aggregate. We also provide welfare to those who have lots of kids, buy homes, grow farm crops, create green energy, drill for oil etc so we have wealth transfers far and away that escape the criteria of "need based and charitable giving" so not sure that lecture is going to fly.

    #1.33 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT

    Matthew:

    Here are a couple of links addressing the red herring about the 'ice age' that was predicted in the 1970s:

    The problem with right-wing zealots, Matthew, is exactly thus. They want to freeze knowledge at whatever point in time it best suits their personal worldview.

    But that's not the purpose of science. The purpose of science is, in fact, to be dynamic, and to adapt as more information is gathered.

    Once upon a time, according to the science of the day, the world was flat.

    But that didn't make it so, did it?

    • 6 votes
    #1.34 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:58 PM EDT

    Americans First--how is paying self employment tax bad on your business? You paid 15% by the way and I assume you want to get social security right? Thats your contribution to get social security in the future and you will still get welfare of about 3 dollars for everyone contributed so I am not sure you can call that a tax on your poorness.

      #1.35 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:59 PM EDT

      Kirk:

      Besides are you saying that we dont spend enough money on welfare and social services already in this country as spending as certainly increased to the point its become an entitlement rather than a safety net dont you think? Further we provide entitlements like social security and medicare to the wealthiest segment of the population our seniors at least in the aggregate. We also provide welfare to those who have lots of kids, buy homes, grow farm crops, create green energy, drill for oil etc so we have wealth transfers far and away that escape the criteria of "need based and charitable giving" so not sure that lecture is going to fly.

      Kirk, if you can't honestly admit that, according to the teachings of Jesus, the priorities of conservatives are essentially turned on their heads, and that we need to realign those priorities if we ever hope to become a truly "Christian" nation, then the second part of Colbert's quotation certainly applies to you. My evidence for that:

      We also provide welfare to those who have lots of kids, buy homes, grow farm crops, create green energy, drill for oil etc so we have wealth transfers far and away that escape the criteria of "need based and charitable giving" so not sure that lecture is going to fly.

      I highly doubt that Jesus would have placed arbitrary limits on charitable giving, as you seem to do. My recollection is that He might have told you to give it all. I find it fascinating that you believe there is such an arbitrary number to be determined -- and by you, evidently.

      If we feel guilty about anything as a so-called "Christian" nation, it should be that we don't do much more, not that we do too much.

      • 6 votes
      #1.36 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:09 PM EDT

      Matthew - I looked at your article. It is written in retrospect to what they were saying in the 70's. I remember hearing news stories and reading articles about global cooling when I was in High School. It was all the rage and the things they were saying back then were pretty pointed. Granted, we didn't have the computing power we do today, nor was it all hyped up, but for a young mind full of mush, I was concerned about the earth cooling. It appears as though the article you posted is very much trying to downplay the event. I know not a lot of people remember the gobal cooling argument back then which makes it pretty darn convenient of the authors to try to illustrate a down play in it. This makes it especially true due to the nature of current events espousing global warming.

      The real truth about manmade global warming is that it was introduced by a politican, it's designed to make money and its hard to conclusively prove. Imperical data will be pending for several hundred years.

        #1.37 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:40 PM EDT

        As an Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republican at heart, I could actually vote for him with a clear conscience.

        In this age, he is absolutely "electable"; unfortunately, he is probably not "nominatable".

        • 3 votes
        #1.38 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:13 PM EDT

        As a former Republican myself (now an Independent), Huntsman is the ONLY person in the group of candidates, declared on undeclared (i.e. Christy, Palin, ...), I would even consider voting for. Unfortunately, he's not "crazy" enough to garner the votes necessary to win the nomination.

        If Bachman, Perry, Palin.... wins the Republican Primary, see Angle, O'Donnell, Miller from 2010 for General Election results.

        • 2 votes
        #1.39 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:13 PM EDT

        What is this post, have i stumbled onto a left wing nutjob comment site? All the posts i have read are totally brainless and antiquated, so i just naturally assume that since no common sense is being used it must be a liberal site, John Huntsman has no chance to be our candidate, we allowed the democrats to choose our last candidate, and that is not going to fly this time, any candidate of ours who says he wants to reach across the isle, is automatically eliminated, the only reason a conservative would have for reaching across the isle, would be to punch a liberal in the mouth. we don't want to deal with them we want to kick their collective hind ends.

          #1.40 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:31 PM EDT

          Anna Molly, not sure why you attribute Jesus's teachings to me or conservative christianity? I dont think they would have me given that gays can marry and women can have a choice in my world so dont put labels on me. As for my comments they were related to all the bashing of christians which I respect no different than you progressives want to respect muslims and not call them terrorists etc. I dont believe for a second that any of what I have said nor what a christian country would be turned on its head by the policies the teaparty advocates. Its not about arbitrary limits as under your views, why do we bother having anyone work as we might as well just have the government write us all a check and we can sit at home playing Nintendo. Where do you draw the line between a social safety net and personal responsibility and accountability? Look what happened in the 60s with your view as we built huge numbers of low income high rises handed weekly checks to a significant portion of the black community and created a multi generational welfare problem because we didnt address the education system nor put the housing near jobs, provide any job training etc. You have to be smarter than thinking handing over a check each week solves our social services problems. As for christians, they seem to do a far better job with their charitable intentions than the rest of us so I am not going to criticize.

            #1.41 - Tue Aug 23, 2011 11:06 AM EDT

            Kirk,

            I don't see where anyone bashed Christians. However there has been bashing of those that don't believe in Evolution. I don't see how these two are interchangeable. To my knowledge most Christians accept Evolution. Finding solace in Christianity is perfectly fine.

            It seems to me that why you're not seeing Anna Molly's point about current US conservatives having values that are not compatible with Christianity is that you're creating rather stark either/or thinking on the subject. This is a traditional weakness in conservative thought. Just because one believes (as Christ would) that a society's first priority should be on protecting the well being of its members doesn't mean that this must translate too "everyone staying at home and just receiving a cheque."

            People would rather be working and being constructive. However, sometimes circumstances make this difficult. Age, health, economics, access to good education, and in some places gender, race, sexual orientation and creed can all limit a persons ability to effectively meet all the requirements for survival. Short sited companies who destroy their consumer base in order to gain short term profitability. Politicians who sack education in order to gain short term popularity from populist rhetoric. Large voting blocks who would rather vilify their peers, and the less fortunate rather than address the real societal problems, or face the inherent flaws in their own world view. Then there are the classical human issues of racism, sexism, and general hatred of any "other". These are all forces that are hard for an individual trying to make it day to day to over come. And these are the forces that we as a society have an obligation to battle as a group. These are also the weaknesses that exist within our culture that we have a responsibility to redress as these problems are all created by our nation's members.

            I find it interesting that you don't see a discrepancy between Tea Party politics and Christ's teachings but then say that the solution to poverty is education, better infrastructure, and vocational training. I don't think a single liberal on here would argue with your belief there at all. Yet those are precisely the sorts solutions that the Tea Party is actively trying to stop. All of the things you just mentioned are "entitlements" and "big Government". Unfortunately building a first world civilization isn't free.

            We no longer live in the post WWII era where the US stood alone as the supreme military and industrial world power. Our allies rebuilt and our rivals have become more agile. They've cut into the pie we once had all to ourselves. This means we have to decide what kind of nation we will be. We have to decide how that we will compete in the world. There are many directions we can go and we should seriously consider these directions. But staying static is no longer an option.

            You started things off by talking about a lack of respect for Christians. Well I agree that our nation should consider the sorts of priorities that Christ would approve of for our nation. I hope that we will regain our position as a "light to the nations". A nation of ideals, not greed. A nation of compassion, not bullying. A nation that is never satisfied with mere survival or what is most expedient for the moment, but instead courageously stares down the bugbears that the world throws at us and says: "we always walk the just path."

              #1.42 - Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:21 AM EDT
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              Huntsman will not make the cut.

              Too 'normal' and thoughtful on the issues. In other words, he's not bat-sh!t crazy.

              Ain't gonna fly.

              • 15 votes
              #2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:43 AM EDT

              He must be half crazy for thinking the wack jobs on the right will let him get the nomination.

              The GOTP where moderation is not only unwelcome, it's despised.

              • 12 votes
              #2.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:51 AM EDT

              Hey devie - do you consider Obama a "moderate?"

              If so, then you are correct, we'll be having no more of that.

              Anyone But Obama (hereinafter "ABO").

              • 4 votes
              #2.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT

              Hey Spanky, I don't believe I mentioned Obama and neither did dbo. So where did you pull that from? Wait let me guess... your rear end.

              • 11 votes
              #2.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

              devie

              He must be half crazy for thinking the wack jobs on the right will let him get the nomination.

              Just think his views are sane enough to give credibility to bring the republicans and the Nut- T- BAGS into the 21st century.

              • 11 votes
              #2.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT

              Both Huntsman and Pawlenty had the same problem- a really lousy campaign team, and a really lousy campaign strategy.

              The blame lies with the candidates, no one else. They choose the people on their teams, and okay the strategy.

              And, to devie- you mistake pretending to be a centrist with actually being a centrist. So did a lot of independent voters, but they have learned from their mistake.
              Obama shelved in 2012.

              • 3 votes
              #2.5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT

              The may be devie, but see the issue is not the persons described, but the traits mentioned.

              Your comment, like DBO was aimed at "moderation, "normal. and the classic libbie refrain "bat sh!t crazy."

              Accordingly I think it is appropriate to inquire as to the foundation of your assertion - that moderation is unwelcome in the Republican party. See. I'd like to know if that trait is welcome in the democratic party and hence inquired of you if you feel that Obama is a moderate.

              So, devie do you consider Obama a moderate, or would you prefer to simply make a statement that is a conclusion, like you did, and not even try to back it up or support it?

              Your call my man.

              • 5 votes
              #2.6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:13 PM EDT

              Too 'normal' and thoughtful on the issues. In other words, he's not bat-sh!t crazy.

              In 2008, the country hit an iceberg.

              Obama's economic plan appears to be that he's circling back around to hit the same iceberg.

              Crazy is as crazy does.

              • 4 votes
              #2.7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:17 PM EDT

              The GOTP where moderation is not only unwelcome, it's despised.

              Just like Blue Dog democrats during the HCR debate?

              • 2 votes
              #2.8 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:19 PM EDT

              Well Alan I for one hope our man devie will come on back and compare and contrast what moderation means to the dems v. the republicans.

              But JAS1 - love the iceberg analogy.

              More stimulus wouldn't be to use their term - batsh!t crazy, now would it? Amy likes to toss the "doing the same thing over and over is crazy" thing around, you think she'll apply that to Porkulus 2, revenge of the libbies?

              • 5 votes
              #2.9 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDT

              [Anyone But Obama (hereinafter "ABO").]

              Schpanky, you better ask "markmich" if you can steal that line...but I understand why you would want to use someone else's tripe...

              • 9 votes
              #2.10 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:33 PM EDT

              We Are The World

              Beverly - for you. Wait 'til you see it. A big thank you from Libya to President Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron and S. Rice. It's jaw dropping.

              At the main square in Benghazi, people have been gathering to celebrate the end of the rule of Muammar Qaddafi. As euphoric Libyan rebels advanced into Tripoli on Sunday, there were scenes of jubilation in the rebels’ de facto capital, Benghazi, where thousands celebrated in the streets.

              One large sign in the middle of the square in Benghazi features a picture of the “Fantastic 4” (from right to left): Obama, French President Nicolas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron, and U.S. Ambassador the U.N. Susan Rice.

              The text on the sign reads: “God Bless You All. Thanks For All.”

              http://theobamadiary.com/

              • 9 votes
              #2.11 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:34 PM EDT

              Schpanky, you better ask "markmich" if you can steal that line

              Come on now Mickey - why wouldn't a ambulance chasing paralegal dabble in a bit of plagiarism?

              It's not like he would possess any ethics! ;o)

              • 12 votes
              #2.12 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:38 PM EDT

              Do you folks on the right not have an ounce of self respect or common sense? Perry and Bachmann, come on.

              • 10 votes
              #2.13 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:40 PM EDT

              Ah my little doggy Mickey - so good to see you so bright and early today.

              Now listen, last week your focus was not very good. Either you are my First Read Friend who will comment or not. No more half assing it.

              This requires a response to each and every one of my comments. Not 99%, not 80%. All of them.

              Got it?

              That's a good boy. Now carry on.

              • 5 votes
              #2.14 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:44 PM EDT

              So, devie do you consider Obama a moderate, or would you prefer to simply make a statement that is a conclusion, like you did, and not even try to back it up or support it?

              Call me crazy but again I believe we were talking about Huntsman. For some strange reason you believe that this conversation is about Obama. Yes, and for the record I believe Obama to be a moderate along with Clinton. Of course you guys tend to believe Lugar, Graham, Hatch, Simpson and Bush are be moderates. Now that's a stretch.

              Nice try Spanky, but it is what it is.

              • 7 votes
              #2.15 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:50 PM EDT

              Aww, now see devie, that wasn't so hard now was it?

              Funny thing about a dialogue, it doesn't often contain itself to a specific topic or idea.

              Fun, right?

              • 6 votes
              #2.16 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:54 PM EDT

              [Got it?]

              I was merely pointing out that you're usually not this limp when voicing your "opinions"...while also pointing out that you've been as sharp as a marble lately. You don't perk up unless the post is about AMT, or CCB, or that "eeeeeeeevil tax code"...but stealing someone else's lines...that's not like the Schpankster...so, tell me...what gives?

              Oh, and how about those Mets...

              • 4 votes
              #2.17 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:02 PM EDT

              [Funny thing about a dialogue, it doesn't often contain itself to a specific topic or idea.]

              ...what...really? And here you give the impression that you only like "dialogue" when it's one-sided...YOUR side...

              ...so, you're saying you're NOT just an empty suit?

              Say it ain't so, Joe!

              • 4 votes
              #2.18 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:07 PM EDT

              Woof, woof.

              That's a good boy.

              Just stay focused - going to be super fun week.

              • 5 votes
              #2.19 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:10 PM EDT

              Schpanky, my fuzzy little friend, sounds like you may not have washed that sand out of your vagina yet:

              [...or would you prefer to simply make a statement that is a conclusion, like you did, and not even try to back it up or support it?]

              Now, come on...you didn't post that, did you? This is twice in less than a week you tried to pull this bull@!$%#...tick tock, Schpanky...tick tock...you get upset at the smallest challenge, don't you?

              Sooooo...just how much "research time" ARE you gonna bill Neck Brace Nellie today, "counselor"?

              • 5 votes
              #2.20 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:18 PM EDT

              That's much better, back to true form.

              Spanky's little doggy, all a' barkin' and a' growlin'.

              • 5 votes
              #2.21 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:22 PM EDT

              Well, JS1, it looks like you, Spanky, I, and other conservative posters have been remiss in giving Obama credit for actually growing an industry.

              Yes, I'm as shocked as you are by this oversight- so, tell me, how did all of us happen to miss the 13% growth rate in the regulatory industry?

              Thirteen percent- it's historic. Unprecedented, even.

              He loaded 379 new regulations on the economy JUST in JULY- at a cost of about $9.5 billion on the industries who are the recipients of said new regulations.

              If you think he's being a piker with those numbers, never fear, there are 4200- that is, forty two hundred- new regulations in the pipeline.

              Not included are his new regulations for trucks, new EPA smog rules, (which usurped the already new, lower smog rules that had not even taken effect yet, and which were not due for review for ten years).

              Meanwhile, he is writing a speech that will tell us we need Son of Stimulous, so we can put carpenters, Sheetrock tapers, and plumbers to work building roads and bridges.

              Not to mention giving him.a handy slush fund with which to pay off his big donors.

              • 4 votes
              #2.22 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:35 PM EDT
              • 1 vote
              #2.23 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:52 PM EDT

              Mickey, NY

              "Schpanky, my fuzzy little friend, sounds like you may not have washed that sand out of your vagina yet:"

              Somebody call me an ambulance this guy can chase, will you? I'm choking to death on laughter here!!

              • 5 votes
              #2.24 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:56 PM EDT
              Reply

              Huntsman seems too close to being a wacko Democrat to get near the nomination for the GOP.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:56 AM EDT

              he's not bat-sh!t crazy.

              Can YOU call em or WHAT Buzz? lol

              Huntsman seems too close to being a wacko Democrat to get near the nomination for the GOP

              • 8 votes
              #3.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT
              Reply

              I can't wait to hear from the TEA Party faithful who say it's none of our business who the choose for their nominee. Well it is our business if you want our votes. Although I will admit there's a fat chance (or is that slim and none?) of a GOTP candidate getting my vote.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT

              If by "our votes" you refer to the 26%, then no, I suspect the republican nominees are well aware that they will not be getting you votes.

              So you think we'll see anything around here about the beat down poor Arnie "I have no idea how bad the Chicago school are" Duncan got this weekend?

              It calls into question why Obama would have ever have tapped him to be the education secretary when he obviously has no idea how bad the school district he ran is, or why we as a nation would ever tolerate graduation rates at 56%.

              Is Chicago that horrible? Those are LA Unified numbers and the vast majority there are in the ESL program.

              Horrendous.

              • 4 votes
              #4.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:20 PM EDT

              Well it is our business if you want our votes.

              I for one can't wait to vote in the Tealiban primary! ;o)

              • 13 votes
              #4.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT

              You all checking out the polling for Weiner's old seat.

              Seems it's a referendum on Obama in Brooklyn, and it is not going super well. Et Tu New York City?

              • 5 votes
              #4.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:24 PM EDT

              Me too Feisty. I will be voting in their primary.

              • 11 votes
              #4.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT

              I for one can't wait to vote in the Tealiban primary!

              Well I would if I still lived in California. Then again I might get kicked out of the polling place for laughing hysterically.

              • 7 votes
              #4.5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:09 PM EDT

              Isn't the New Hamphire primary an open primary? Should we be investing in Bachmann there, so we can make sure we get the best of the worst to get the GOP nomination?

              • 4 votes
              #4.6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

              From what I see, we don't need to vote in their primaries. The only credible person they have running is Huntsman, and there is no way he'll get close to being nominated. Everyone else is just too much of an ideologue, or too (for lack of a better word) stupid to be elected in the general election. Just one debate with President Obama will totally blow any of the Republican candidates chances at being elected.

              • 2 votes
              #4.7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:57 PM EDT

              [You all checking out the polling for Weiner's old seat.]

              Jeez-US Little Dude...why so hung up on Wiener...let it go, man...let it go...

                #4.8 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:12 PM EDT
                Reply

                 Spanky - you are a complete a$$ hole and I hope you reap the lies that you sow on global warming! People like you are dangerous to the prosperity of this planet, and you deserve to suffer greatly from the affects of global warming you so stupidly deny such as a devastating flood, famine stricken drought, or a nice Cat. 6 hurricane! 

                • 11 votes
                Reply#5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:31 PM EDT

                Nice job pat - I disagree with you and I'm not only dangerous, I deserve to suffer. Ok, got it.

                But you sure are up on weather and science - or do you actually expect a "Cat. 6 hurricane" to So Cal?

                Typical libbie hysteria and ignorance. Thanks for the laugh pat. Now run along and read up on hurricanes, what causes them, and where they can occur. You might also want to refer to a map, cause the whole flood thing is pretty funny as well.

                Global warming, like Kensyian (?) economics died in 2009. No money for redistribution and one the government can't borrow any more money Kensyain fails to it's core.

                Rock on pat!

                • 4 votes
                #5.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

                patHuntington: Cat 6 hurricane.

                Cat 6 hurricane? Is that where we take blowhards like you, Buzz, Jobless1, Navy Boy, etc and put you in a room so you can recite your talking points in unison? The air mass you'd produce would be legendary.

                • 4 votes
                #5.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:12 PM EDT

                patHuntingtonNY

                Spanky - you are a complete a$$ hole and I hope you reap the lies that you sow on global warming! People like you are dangerous to the prosperity of this planet, and you deserve to suffer greatly from the affects of global warming you so stupidly deny such as a devastating flood, famine stricken drought, or a nice Cat. 6 hurricane!

                Do you mean like a longer growing season? I've an idea, lets stop burning fossil fuel tomorrow and kill every cow that farts. Do you think more people would be adversely affected (not effected) by the cure or the disease? You see I don't deny Climate Change, I do question some of the models, some of the basic research, and most of all the predictions which were collated by activists and not scientists.

                In the interests of debate, how much of a reduction in CO2 would you aim for and by when? What would the affect be on the concentration of CO2 in the atmostsphere and the affect on the economy?

                • 3 votes
                #5.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

                I'd say we should "reduce" them down to the Medieval Warming Period's levels.

                They all seem to hate the cows, yet love the steaks. Hate the CO2, yet love their air conditioners and heaters. Hate gas, but love their cars.

                Volt sales busting out at a grand total of 2700 for the entire year to date. Government motors, just the best-est.

                • 4 votes
                #5.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:40 PM EDT

                "...The air mass you'd produce would be legendary."

                Wow- you told US!

                But serriously- what if there really is no global warming ? What if it's all a mistake? What then, the world ends? Sure is funny to see all the righties go nuts over something that doesn't exist, huh?

                • 3 votes
                #5.5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:01 PM EDT

                Yeah, DBO - it's the righties that are the ones going nuts over global warming.

                And if it doesn't exist? Why ALGORE got his already, didn't he?

                • 4 votes
                #5.6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:08 PM EDT
                Reply

                Gotta wonder who is advising Ambassador Huntsman----seems to me that the top 3 attributes that would appeal to the Tea Party are not speaking Mandarin, playing the piano or being on the cover of Vogue magazine.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

                Spanky: Yes, I call Obama a moderate

                • 8 votes
                Reply#7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:43 PM EDT

                Photographed by Annie Leibovitz in the pages of Vogue - yeah, that will really appeal to the denizens of the Live Free or Die state.

                • 8 votes
                Reply#8 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:47 PM EDT

                Steeler Fan - You beat me to it!

                • 4 votes
                #8.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
                Reply

                liberals love him=huntsman stinks.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#9 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:05 PM EDT

                Mitch,

                From what I have gathered from your posts...You have always feared intelligence.

                • 4 votes
                #9.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT
                Reply

                Spanky needs to get a clue...he or she is totally clueless when it comes to man made global warming! He/she is like those people who questioned the connection being made between smoking and lung cancer back in the 1950s, by citing the pseudoscience findings of cig company's hired consultants...the same mentality applies to the pig science advanced by big oil to challenge the credible science demonstrating that man made global warming is for real!

                • 7 votes
                Reply#10 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:08 PM EDT

                A clue pat - like what Obama's science czar has. You know the guy who told us all about the impending doom that was Global Cooling in 1975.

                He's the credible scientist, right pat? Pseudoscience - your term pat, and very aptly applied. Go ahead google him and Global Cooling. Just just a tree, but in fact a forrest of silliness for your reading pleasure.

                Keep charging up that hill pat. Global warming has gone bust. Sooner or later you'll clue in. It's ok, being that wrong has got to be pretty hard.

                So pat - you looked into the viability of a hurricane in Socal?

                • 5 votes
                #10.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:16 PM EDT

                Spanky needs to get a clue...he or she is totally clueless when it comes to man made global warming!

                I can see it now...

                The little dude clutching his gold bars, shoving women & children out of the way to get to the lifeboats...

                • 10 votes
                #10.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT

                [The little dude clutching his gold bars, shoving women & children out of the way to get to the lifeboats...]

                ...now that's RICH!...

                ...but you forgot Little Dude is also clutching a salt shaker...you know...for when he has to eat those gold bars...

                • 7 votes
                #10.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

                Ahh, my little doggy.

                That one was below standard, even for you. Gold gonna hit $2k per ounce, so sure make as much fun as you think you can. :)

                This will be my final direct response to you this week little doggy, but remember - stay focused. Prove your devotion.

                • 5 votes
                #10.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:37 PM EDT

                The little dude clutching his gold bars, shoving women & children out of the way to get to the lifeboats...clutching a salt shaker for when he has to eat those gold bars...and still typing on his dead laptop "what's the matter with you people blogging in the middle of the day, don't you have jobs?"

                • 7 votes
                #10.5 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:39 PM EDT

                and still typing on his dead laptop "what's the matter with you people blogging in the middle of the day, don't you have jobs?"

                Billing his 'so-called' clients while he screws off all day....

                Then again, when you work in the mail room, I would think he would have a whole bunch of time on his hands...

                • 8 votes
                #10.6 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:45 PM EDT

                No Amy, it's a shiny new Ipad.

                Get it straight, will ya?

                Who else hears that phone ringing? Amy...

                • 4 votes
                #10.7 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:21 PM EDT

                [This will be my final direct response to you this week...]

                I'm surprised it took so little to get a response...

                [Prove your devotion.]

                Well, being that your own dog doesn't like you, you have to get your attention somehow, right Little Dude?

                • 1 vote
                #10.8 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:42 PM EDT
                Reply

                Yes JAS1 - because of ever increasing hurricane strengths due to man made global warming, a new category, a Cat. 6, will have to be used. But alas, you are nothing but a whore for lies and I need not acknowledge your whorish existence...go say hi to your pimp daddy Spanky!

                • 7 votes
                Reply#11 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:38 PM EDT

                pHNY: Yes JAS1 - because of ever increasing hurricane strengths due to man made global warming, a new category, a Cat. 6, will have to be used

                Well that certainly is special patty. Will AlGore being giving the speech to announce it? Should be a riot to watch. Current TV, right? The one that no one gets.

                pHNY: But alas, you are nothing but a whore for lies and I need not acknowledge your whorish existence...go say hi to your pimp daddy Spanky!

                We all love you too patty. We think you're, . . . . special. In your own little way.

                That patty, such as nice person. Just the greatest.

                • 3 votes
                #11.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:59 PM EDT

                " But alas, you are nothing but a whore for lies and I need not acknowledge your whorish existence.."

                damn, girl- you sure do bring the best out in folks, don't you??

                • 6 votes
                #11.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:05 PM EDT

                Pat is a real classy person with his language. NOT..................

                • 3 votes
                #11.3 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:11 PM EDT

                Classy or no, here's to hoping pat, after years here at FR can finally figure out the Reply button.

                Go pat!

                • 3 votes
                #11.4 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:22 PM EDT
                Reply

                Pat stop being a drama queen. A few columnists and scientists translates into having to add the new category.

                'After the series of powerful storm systems of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, a few newspaper columnists and scientists brought up the suggestion of introducing Category 6, and they have suggested pegging Category 6 to storms with winds greater than 174 or 180 mph (78 or 80 m/s); 150–155 knots (280–287 km/h).[7][15] Only a few storms in history have reached into this hypothetical category. Many of these storms were West Pacific super typhoons, most notably Typhoon Tip in 1979 with sustained winds of 190 mph (310 km/h).[16]'

                • 2 votes
                Reply#12 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:58 PM EDT

                Just to be clear, McCotter placed 3rd in a tie with Texas Gov. Rick Perry. Saying "even behind McCotter," is a discredit to how well T-Mac performed. To put this in perspective, McCotter beat out Cain, Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich, Roemer, Johnson and Huntsman. Herman Cain and Gary Johnson were both at the picnic. Herman showed up in his bus. The real story is not how poorly Huntsman performed, but how well Thad McCotter did.

                  Reply#13 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:50 PM EDT

                  Thad McCotter is a right-wing tool.

                  I know. I'm in his district.

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.1 - Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:20 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  Huntsman = only electable Republican. Watch the guy. He's actually good.

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#14 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:22 PM EDT

                  I agree.

                    #14.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:40 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Huntsman is speaking the truth now because he is desperate. Where was this bravado during the Iowa debate? This is his only option to separate himself from the "wacky pack". Unfortunately, the primary base wants red meat, not truth serum. He won't make it to S.C., where he would be considered a flaming liberal based on their standards. You cannot win a primary going against your base and there is not enough traditional republicans to help him, alias the party has been hijacked by the tea baggers. Oh, I forget he is also a Mormon, the evangelicals will never support him or Romney for that matter - they will never say that in public. Like it or not, Rick Perry is your man as far as the GOP is concerned.

                      Reply#15 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:27 PM EDT

                      Perry has already self-imploded with his latest duma$$ antics. He'll get no support from anyone in the Repub party now except from the Dumbaggers

                      Teapublicans = the dark (and dumb) side

                        #15.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:34 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        Huntsman has and uses something that is frowned upon by a 21st century Republican -- a brain.

                        • 3 votes
                        Reply#16 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:34 PM EDT

                        Amazing isn't it! Why do they shy away from intelligent candidates?

                          #16.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:42 PM EDT

                          "Why do they shy away from intelligent candidates?"

                          Well -- you don't have to be stupid to be conservative but most stupid people are conservative.

                          • 1 vote
                          #16.2 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:49 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          He's effeminate and just another Rockefeller republican. Moderate to the point he stands for nothing.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#17 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:28 PM EDT

                          go dumbaggers. stick around for 2016 too please - lack of compromise will help Michele Obama get elected... lol

                          • 2 votes
                          #17.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:52 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          I like Huntsman. He is just what the regular republicans would want in a candidate, and if the GOP is smart, they will get behind him. I really think he can take a lot of the independent vote.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#18 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:50 PM EDT

                          "if" the Gop is smart. I think that answers the question.

                          • 1 vote
                          #18.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:04 PM EDT
                          Reply

                          I read the article and thought this vine was about Huntsman. Then I read the comments. I was wrong.

                            Reply#19 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:57 PM EDT

                            I am surprised he hasn't managed to gain more traction in NH. He is one of a very few, very very few, potential Republican nominees who isn't completely full of it. Many people think that is exactly why he isn't embraced by the Republican party faithful, and I guess they have it pegged.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#20 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:05 PM EDT

                            I believe picking, or at least throwing out to the winds some potential Vice Presidential picks would be smart. Marco Rubio would be an obvious choice. Appeals to Hispanics, is smart, capable, conservative, but savy.

                              Reply#21 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:30 PM EDT

                              I believe in evolution, but to say the science is settled on man made global warming is ludicrous because it is not. There has been warm tropical periods and ice ages on planet earth long before human beings even existed. There is also global warming on other planets in our solar system and guess what? No one is driving Hummers on Neptune. The global warming nutjobs want to push their carbon trading ponzi scheme. Wise up and don't let this happen.

                                Reply#22 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:51 PM EDT

                                The science is a lot further along than you think. And we don't know what the temperature is doing on any other planets, let alone Neptune.

                                  #22.1 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:13 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  Giving the benefit of the doubt to the global warming theory the true debate ought to be what is the proper response. Spending hundreds of billions ourselves, but still leaving even bigger polluters like India, China, and virtually any up and coming third world economy free to continue polluting. They're not going to stop, and have told us straight up "you had your opportunity to grow through this highly polluting phase of economic growth, and we're not going to forgo ours".

                                  We might better analyze and study just how best to live with what are now fairly unstoppable affects. If we're going to spend hundreds of billions if not trillions in the coming centuries it might better be spent here in this country actually ameliorating the affects of the rising oceans on our cities, on our weather as it impacts our farming, water supplies, etc, etc.

                                  Even with the cooperation of every other country on Earth the global warming effects that will take place regardless, because of the carbon dioxide already released will continue to impact the world for thousands of years. As previously noted we DO NOT have the cooperation of several of the worlds biggest carbon dioxide polluters so the best approach is to figure out the very best ways to accomodate the inevitable.

                                    Reply#23 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:38 PM EDT

                                    I caught almost a whiff of moderation from Huntsman that gave me pause-then he just repeated the same old tired Republican talking points--they do sound very sensible and moderate compared to Michele and Santorum and the Rickster.  They are nothing that will get us moving again however. We need desperately to stimulate the economy through job creation measures to repair infrastructure etc.  As long as Boner and Canterwaler bleat--we dont have the money--we're broke--I don't see much hope. Sometimes you just don't know whether to puke or go blind.

                                      Reply#24 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:44 PM EDT

                                      Unless Mr. Huntsman can figure out a way to dumb it way down, turn his back on what he knows about the real world, deny his recognition of difficult problems with perplexing solutions, renounce evolution, excoriate government, dye his hair and/or grow tits; He's @!$%# out of luck.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#25 - Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:30 PM EDT
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