Feisty;

Pretty apparent she does not even know the story of Enron and this twit wants to run our Country. OMG - these three (Rummy, Perry, and Bachmann) are a three ring circus and they are the clowns. Heaven help us if any one of these three get elected.

and this twit wants to run our Country. OMG

You know Navy, it would be funny if it wasn't so damn frightening...

Anywho - do you want to bet how long it takes the NJ nut job to show up and blame this on President Obama?

Yeah, the federal government is running just fine. Who knows what Bachmann is talking about.

When pressed further, however, Bachmann -- who has has toned down her sometimes far-flung rhetoric as a candidate for president -- deflected.

She say anything about Social Security checks might not be going out? Call anyone (besides a terrorist) a terrorist? Just ask'n.

Bad bookkeeping?

Wasn't that George W. Bush?

And isn't that the part that President Obama fixed?

What on earth is she talking about?

Going back to the last thread.

The reason she has bodyguards keeping the reporters at a distance is for her own protection.

She's afraid they're going to ask a question and get an absolutely idiotic statement like this.

The Enron scandal was engineered by the architects of the 2008 crash. It was a warning about deregulation, croynism, and far more than mere "bad accounting." And the losers were far more than just employees - stockholders, bond holders, partners in various joint ventures, and literally the entire State of California were caught up in this. And it was blessed and boosted by G.W. Bush until just the last moment.

Bachmann puts her foot not merely in her mouth, but far down her esophagus with this garbage.

And she really, really demonstrates appalling ignorance.

Yet far worse, she fails to realize that the very ideology she is promoting caused the Enron scandal.

Sheesh. We were getting pretty much accustomed to at least one terrible gaffe a day from the dumbest candidate ever to seriously seek the presidency. Now she's upping the count!

This are the kind of things that comes out of a lopsided brain person. She swings where ever the weight falls......an unbalance element.

Feisty Skankhead, link please...

And her handlers are worried someone would attack her? For what? she wouldn't be worth it. What a waste of breathing space.

What is scary to me is that people voted for her, here all these years I looked upon the people of Minnesota as being on the higher end of evolution. Now I wonder what attracted so many like minded nitwits to her district.

I used to think that Palin was dumber. Now, it looks like Bachmann is giving her a run for the money.

I used to think that Palin was dumber. Now, it looks like Bachmann is giving her a run for the money.

And they were allowed to breed...

In Palin's case - there's second generation breeding going on these days... lol

Remember that this is the same woman who believed the lesbians in the ladies' room were also going to attack her.

As if.

Why don't you reporters follow some of those dumb azz Democrats around and report on EVERY WORD and ignorant thing they say.

She can make the comparison. You Democrats don't have a problem calling Republicans terrorist, gnop, etc....

I guess there is no silly azz women in the Democrat party. Lord knows they have a bunch of silly followers. It is on display in here daily. Sheila Jackson makes an azz out of herself on T.V. every other night here.

If Fox News is interested in debtors prison then they should love exploring the history of Texas. Especially in honor of Rick Perry's Presidential bid. It even fits the "illegal immigration" narrative they keep pushing. However it reminds Texans how indebted they are to the U.S.A. Not only was the Alamo defended by important men who chose military service instead of debtor's prison by running to Texas but they were also illegal immigrants in Texas at the time. Texas belonged to Mexico. And that "government" they all hate and want to secede from? The U.S.A. avenged their deaths and turned Texas into a state. A history I'm sure Perry would love people never to read. Not much has changed. Want to avoid paying your fair share of taxes? Move to Texas. Howver be prepared to get sick from the rotten air and earth and water and chances are almost 3 to 1 that you won't have any insurance to pay your medical bills once you do get sick. But hey! I'm sure less taxes are worth it right?

Gosh, I wish I had nothing to do all day and could sit by my computer waiting with bated breath for the next First Read story so that I could be the first to post a comment every single time. Oh, that would be magical! I'm so jealous!

Woops, I thought the "take America Back" crowd had us at 1859, now the TeaPublicans want to "take America Back" even further, to 1833, when federal law banned being jailed for debts.

At this rate, the Tea Party will "take America Back" to 1492, before Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

American as a whole would be a darn fool to elect Perry or Bachmann as President. Not to mention we would become the laughing stock of the World.

Job:

Who really gives a shyt about what the rest of the world thinks of us. All they care about is "how much money are we willing to give them". I have lived and served all over the world and most didn't like us then and don't like us now.

Everyone is not going to like you. I don't care how much of a Liberal...oops, Progressive you are.

Looks like the Obama administration just implemented the DREAM Act.

The Homeland Security Department said Thursday it will halt deportation proceedings on a case-by-case basis against illegal immigrants who meet certain criteria such as attending school, having family in the military or are primarily responsible for other family members’ care.

Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/18/new-dhs-rules-cancel-deportations/

These GOP/TP crazies can all try to follow Sarah Palin's advice and like Sharron Angle run from the "gotcha" media, and only talk to friendly media with pre-screened questions and prepared answers -- But when you run to be leader of the free world, no can do.

Yosemite Sam is trying his darnedest to stay on message, referring to written notes, and one must admit that Bachmann has been even more disciplined. Gordon Gekko isn't doing to well either. If you're an idiot, it's impossible to hide it. By the time these idiots finish their presidential runs, they will have no place to go back to. They will not doubt join the FOX staff, join the speaking circuit or write books for their crazy supporters.

We can't wait for Paul Ryan to join the festivities. Gawd, this has got to be the most pitiful offering from the GOP we've seen--at least in my lifetime.

Looks like Nancy is having a difficult time too:

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi was heckled several times at a town hall meeting in response to her vote for the "Satan sandwich" debt ceiling bill in Oakland, California.

Pelosi received the crowd's wrath after touting that the Democrats were able to get no cuts in entitlements in the deal. However, this was still not enough.

"Sell-out!" ... "Why did you vote for it?" ... "You voted for that Satan sandwich!" were just some of the phrases that were yelled at Pelosi.

Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/18/nancy_pelosi_heckled_at_town_hall_over_debt_bill_sell_out.html

Chris: and yet you apparantly have enough time on your hands to get your feelings hurt that someone posted before you?? (come on--are you really over 12?)

TP:

IN 2016 we will see all of the ignorant Democrats running. We will make sure to slam, belittle and disrespect them also.

For every silly Republican, there is a silly Democrat lawmaker.

I would like to see some of you in here have every aspect of your life inspected and questioned. Let's see how you come out.

A Federal Employee talking poorly about her employer? Well us peons in the public sector get fired for do that. Too bad we can't fire Bachmann.

Thank you, Domenico Montenaro for pointing out the facts.

To coin a phrase often said by a famous and popular TV liberal: "That woman is an idiot."

What a shame, this country deserves two viable parties debating the issues yet we're stuck with a bunch of radical, tea-vangelical, looney tunes who do nothing but spout nonsense while the reasonable GOP candidates do their best to keep a low profile. One can hope that the air goes out of the TP balloon and soon.

Job:

Who really gives a shyt about what the rest of the world thinks of us. All they care about is "how much money are we willing to give them". I have lived and served all over the world and most didn't like us then and don't like us now.

Everyone is not going to like you. I don't care how much of a Liberal...oops, Progressive you are.

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Well I do travel quite a bit and people around the world do respect us now thanks to President Obama. Of course that was a different story when President Bush was in office.

The woman who can't understand Enron sure as heck is not bringing back $2 gas.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

"Under President Bachmann you will see gasoline come down below $2 a gallon again," Bachmann told a crowd Tuesday in South Carolina. "That will happen."

Well, probably not, unless we have a depression in our future.

"The day that the president became president gasoline was $1.79 a gallon," Bachmann said. "Look what it is today."

Of course, that's not the full story.

When Obama took office, the country was mired in a terrible economic contraction.

"That was in the 4th inning of the greatest recession of our lifetime," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service.

During recessions, demand for gasoline plummets as trucks pull off the road, companies cut back on travel and laid off workers drive fewer miles.

This woman can't seem to understand the simplest connections between things.

So, it turns out Bachman is right....pay special attention to the last paragraph....now doesn't that twist your liberal panties in a wad???

In December 2000, Enron claimed to have tripled its profits in two years. Even as recently as this summer, Enron was still seen as an amazing success story. However, there were warning signals indicating the coming collapse as early as March 2001.

On March 5, 2001, Fortune magazine writer Bethany McLean published an article that questioned Enron's method of making money. In August 2001, Enron vice president Sherron Watkins sent an anonymous letter to the CEO of Enron, Kenneth Lay, describing accounting methods that she felt could lead Enron to "implode in a wave of accounting scandals."

Also in August, CEO Kenneth Lay sent e-mails to his employees saying that he expected Enron stock prices to go up. Meanwhile, he sold off his own stock in Enron.

The real collapse began when, on October 16th, Enron announced a loss of $638 million, partly due to the failure of its Internet investment.

On October 22nd, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced that Enron was under investigation. On November 8th, Enron said that it has overstated earnings for the past four years by $586 million and that it owed over $6 billion in debt by next year.

With these announcements, Enron's stock price took a dive. This drop triggered certain agreements with investors that made it necessary for Enron to repay their money immediately. When Enron could not come up with the cash to repay its creditors, it declared for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Why don't you reporters follow some of those dumb azz Democrats around and report on EVERY WORD and ignorant thing they say

Why don't you tea baggers try to find a candidate who isn't stupider than a freakin stick?

So, it turns out Bachman is right....pay special attention to the last paragraph....now doesn't that twist your liberal panties in a wad???'

I picture the tea baggers furiously scrubbing Wikipedia right about now... lmao

devie:

Too bad we can't fire Bachmann.

Yes, we can. ;-)

["Under President Bachmann you will see gasoline come down below $2 a gallon again," Bachmann told a crowd Tuesday in South Carolina. "That will happen."]

Wasn't it Bat@!$%# Bachmann who said she would turn the economy around in THREE MONTHS?

Maybe President Obama should give her a shot at it...

And now she claims that the Federal Government is like Enron...funny, isn't it the Tea Bagger Party who wants to run the Government like a business?

Maybe she wants to run the Federal Government like Enron...

OK, Bachman is in Congress, right. She has a wonder plan to turn the economy around, right. Why doesn't she propose some laws to get it done? Isn't that what legislators do, legislate ?

If SHE has a plan, why doesn't she reveal it... ?

JFK-2112:

Feisty Skankhead, link please...

Why would she, after that filth? Why would anyone?

Just because you CAN be a lowlife, doesn't mean you have to.

Thanks AM - I have the a@@hole on ignore for good reasons...

You're welcome, Feisty. It might nice if conservatives would call out their own for that garbage every now and then.

Reading feisty redwig's posts and other libtards snipe at any republican candidate while obama's policies are sinking the country is analogous to watching drunks argue over a bar bill on the Titanic! Wake up folks.... you've tied your rowboat to a sinking ship! The rest of us are headed for the lifeboats!

We may be libtards but we are smart enough not to vote for a republican. Are you?

Sally... that was great! And knowing what I know about feisty with the red bouffant wigs... we could use those wigs as effective life preservers!

Americans First, haven't decided who I like yet, but I can promise you obama ain't on the list!!!!!!! I'm much smarter than any wacko liberal apparently.... and so are most 'real' Americans that can really see what's happening under the 'leadership' of a neophtye!

@ all of you who do not know, yet are commenting as if you were experts on the subject, I worked at Enron until the collapse. The things that Jeff Skilling and Ken (may he rot in Hell) Lay did to us started during Bill Clinton's term and came to light in the first few months of George Bush being in office. Tell me how does that make Bush responsible for Enron? You people are willing to jump on any bandwagon that MSNBCrolls out in front of you. If they thought that nobody would notice the time-line they would have you believe that Bush was responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor. I agree that Fox is as one sided as MSNBC, so don't try that one. I derive my opinions based on what I see with my own eyes not the biased drivel spewed from any of Americas "news" outlets. People if you are going to comment at least do some research on your own and stop repeating the garbage that is spoon fed to you by sources that have their own self promoting agendas. Time to grow up America and quit spreading false information like children on a playground! Get your facts from court documents, personal experience, or vetted reliable sources, not not these incredibly wallet motivated media sources.

That is what happens when Dickens has been taken out of the curriculum and has been replaced by passages from the Bible

Bat sh!t crazy Bachmann & the rest of the religious zealots are dangerous...

The sheriff doesn't come to your door

Actually, the sheriff does come to your door. The sheriff serves you with papers to appear in court. You go to court, the collection agency lawyer is there, you make a deal to repay the debt. You go before the judge, (s) he says "are you sure you can pay this every month?" You say yes (or no). If you can prove you have no income, the judge may dismiss the debt. If you have a low income he may decide a certain amount you have to pay. The judge issues a judment; then, if you don't keep up the payments they have grounds to garnish your wages.

(At least, so I am told)

the federal government is defrauding taxpayers and President Obama should go to jail? From your lips to God's ears....

WAIT!!! Then we'd be stuck with Biden.

Hell why would you send a debtor to prison where you get regular meals, plenty of rest, and plenty of sex, hell I've paid my bills and don't get all that!

Forrest....LOL .that's the best post of the day.

TO: Amy B. Portland, ME who wrote:

The sheriff doesn't come to your door

Actually, the sheriff does come to your door.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The only time the Sheriff would come to your door is if you get sued, and it may or may not have anything to do with your bills or your credit, it could be any subject that constitutes a cause of action.

NOT just because you're in debt because NOT everybody who has credit gets sued, but I'm not surprised that Republicans like to skip over a whole lot of details.

Hell, Republicans skipped over the entire Dubya presidency.

American Girl, Don't mention Dubya all the Tea party will put a contract out on ya, they don't like to talk about what they cannot defend.

It seems, American Girl, that a whole lot of details were skipped over when you chose Obama... hell, you still skip over a whole lot of details when it comes to him.

American:

Apparently you don't realize Amy is an Obama lover just like you. She told the truth in this instance.....well if the sheriff doesn't come the CONSTABLE will. My cousin is a constable and he serves papers on debtors about as frequent as divorce papers.

Robert:

You say Dubya and we say Odumba.....see how that works.......serves no purpose.

Remember, no one goes to jail for being in debt.

The Repugnacants want to bypass jail and send the debtors directly to the gas chambers. Be rid of all the riff-raff for good.

Exactly what I'd expect you to say, no joe: Waste no more space on this Republican embarrassment.

I agree. And then, let's get on to the next one.

It seems Anna that the libs R Us crowd never misses a chance to get on to the next one... As it seems FR is continually putting them front and center knowing full well there's a large liberal contingency that frequents this board.

Thanks for that link No Joe. Links to ANY sources are on short supply from "your side" of the aisle.

Now you are saying the bueauracracy INHERENT of super-large organizations like the Federal Govt is Obama's fault thus he will be defeated in 2012?

Dems blame Bush and Reps blame Obama. Fair enough I guess ;)

njnbn

It certainly will not be my current Governor Rick Perry, hell he might not even win Texas. He has driven us into the ground in the last couple of years and his intelligence is maybe a little better than little Michelle but not much, he just has nicer hair than she.

Careful there Robert, Perry might start blowin' you kisses if you keep talkin' 'bout how nice his hair is.

Right. She's only running for President. Why would anyone actually report on just how idiotic she is?

Nah, Robert.

He didn't prevail when he had a strong primary challenger.

He didn't win a third term just last November.

Since you are probably among the 53% of democrats who think Obama's doing a great job on the economy, you'll forgive me if I have very little respect for your opinion about whether or not Texans like their governor.

Just keep chanting "yes we can", and rereading Obama speeches, and everything will be just fine.

The skies are plaid in Obamaland.

[Wow. Bachman misspoke again- well, actually, it was more like a bad analogy, but, what the heck.]

So, HoJoBloMo...you actually agree that this woman is psychotic then...

Yeah, no, this story is entirely First Read's fault...it's not Bachmann's fault for speaking in the first place, right?

Embarrassing, isn't it? One of Bachmann's best traits these days is staying on message - too bad she's got a bad information feed...

Ah, poor baby! You should know all about those shiny things since that's all we've been hearing about from your side for the last 2 years!

Everyone knows its those corporate jet owners causing the problems.

Hating on FR awww just like a large corporation with not enough market share. You dont have enough conservative bastions to be content? Must conquer all the Liberal strongholds?

Dont Hate! CONGRATULATE!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sweatin

Ok Joanna, so let me get this right. Poor Bachman, Presidential candidate, and now Perry, should be off limits to have their laughably absurd statements printed because YOU like them?? I got news for ya --this is national politics we're talking about. They can't take this heat...oohhh...big bad journalists just waiting to write about what they say!!!....wait until voters actually start paying attention...You're going to have to come up with something better than our folks are dumb , sure, but oohhh look over there...isn't that Pelosi (not running for anything?)

No, JS1, it's not just the corporate jet owners.

It's ATMs. And airport kiosks.

The Arab spring, and the Japanese tsunami.

The sun got in his eyes. He tripped over a rock. The teacher doesn't like him, the dog ate his grand bargain,. . .

Including herself!

All of them already use a teleprompter.

No, don't think that would help poor Ms. Bachman. Who is she going to get to read the words back to her from the teleprompter?

A teleprompter won't help Bachmann.

JFK, Standard & Poor downgraded our credit rating after the Republicans in the House spent weeks threatening to let us default, rather than agree to a few tax increases on oil companies and the uber-rich.

That was not the President's fault. Say it with me: Democratic House 2012.

JFK-2112

a break down of registered voters in the US for next time.

Rep-29%
Dem-31%
Independent 40%

Amy: That was not the President's fault.

To Amy and the Lefties, nothing is Obama's fault. Nothing at all. At their group encounter sessions, the Lefties keep chanting the above phrase, hoping somehow it will become true. To them, Barack is nothing but a poor innocent lamb, one that is not at fault for anything, who is being victimized by others.

Amy - if that is all you got out of the S&P report, your vocabulary is extremely limited to the following words: Downgrade, house, republicans, bad.

All the other words must have been way too hard for you to read.

Talk about selective reasoning...

Amy, what if the President and the Senate got the Clean Vote on the Debt Ceiling they wanted all along. What would our Credit Rating be today if that happened?

Robert - Yeah I don't see Far Left Loons anywhere on your list..

JFK - kind of interesting that the credit rating adjustment came after the justice department began its investigation of S&P for the fraud they committed related to CDO's.

But, of course, there would not be any conflict of interest coming from an organization which has, since its inception, supported Republican candidates. /sarc.

Robert: There are 72 milion registered D's...55 million registered r's. With the incredibly clueless Republican field, you better hope every last one of those 42 million Independents is paying no attention whatsoever to your candidates.

What if the President and the Senate got the Clean Vote on the Debt Ceiling they wanted all along. What would our Credit Rating be today if that happened?

We wouldn't have been downgraded, according to the explanation S&P gave, if the House and President had then taken steps to reduce the debt, as the President's debt commission urged. And, what if the House Republicans had agreed to President Obama's Grand Bargain of a 4 trillion reduction based on spending cuts and tax increases? Then we most certainly would not have been downgraded.

yeah "Downgrade, house, republicans, bad," pretty much sums it up.

Amy, you can't be serious. But then again if the Democrats were serious they would have gone along with Cut, Cap, Balance. We all do it in our own lives, shouldn't our Government do the same?

Read the S&P report, JFK, you'll find out the truth. Families goes into debt as well, they have mortgages, car loans, credit cards, etc.

"we suffered through the great depression and never had our credit rating reduced" What????

Chris, if First Read can't report the things Republicans say on the campaign trail, because it might make them sound stupid, then the blog would look like this:

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Amy:

You know what he meant. Stop playing dumb. They do hound Republicans and NEVER write anything in here about Democrat. Do you think all of those Democrat lawmakers are at home not lying, BS'ing, and doing all kinds of who knows what?

Amy, I didn't say they shouldn't be reporting that. I'm saying they should also report things that Democrats say that make them look stupid as well. The tag line at the top of the screen says: "The first place for key political news and analysis from the NBC News Political Unit", not "The first place for key political news and analysis that makes one side look really sad and stupid and makes the other side look they can do nothing wrong from the NBC News Political Unit". To be a true "journalist", Domenico, and the other "reporters" should report all sides fairly and accurately, regardless of party affiliation. Don't you agree?

With all the breaking news today, Obama's numbers down, stock market is down, Jobless claims up over 400,000, Justis Department Investigating S&P. We are going to hell in a handbasket and FR report another Bachmann story.

Chris,

I guess you missed the week of Anthony Weiner jokes : )

Amy:

1 WEEK.......It is a constant barage against Republicans.

Texas: you're not really in the middle. That's the oldest red herring in the water: shooting the messenger when all else fails. Ever think that if the Republican field looks like a bunch of laughable uneducated idiots its because they're a bunch of laughable uneducated idiots?

I lived in the middle of Texas.....show how long you've been around here.

No one gets to be a U.S. lawmaker on either side being an uneducated idiot.

The same can be said about the Democrats.

Amy, I did see the Weiner jokes, mostly being made by the commentors, not by the reporters. The reporters are supposed to be above that.

VK:

You don't hear the stupid comments from the left because of the coordinated effort to keep them out of the news.

I went to Sheila Jackson Lee event in Houston and she was talking out of the side of her neck. She didn't know shyt about what was going nor what the event was about. My phone's battery was drained or I would have YouTubed her azz.

Sure Texas: And I'l bet that big nationwide media conspiracy probably even picked these candidates for ya!! LOL! Dumb and dumber for your Presidential ccandidates and the best you can come up with is to find some Texas Congresswoman you hate? (sure'd like to see that talking out the neck thing though...)

Well, Virginia, you might have missed it, but on his first stop in the deathstar bus, Obama stated, categorically, "we're headed in the right direction".

There was no mention of it here.

Now, that has to rank with one of the dumbest things ever said- and it proves just how out of touch Obama really is.

More than 70% of people say we are headed in the WRONG direction.

If he really believes that, he is out to lunch.

There was no reporting on that idiotic statement, no analysis of it, no statistics pointing out how far from reality it was. They just ignored it.

These are not professional journalists- these are paid propagandists. They print what Obama tells them to print, and only take initiative when they are illuminating form their readers the unfitness of any or all of the republican candidates.

You did not ask for an example- but I gave you one anyway. Care to explain why Obama's gaffe was not newsworthy? Or, better yet, twist yourself into a pretzel, and explain why he was right.

Anyone else notice that "Inthe Middle" has a strange fascination with the words "shyt" and "azz"?

No joe, I don't think they print only what Obama tells them to say, but I do believe that there is a concerted effort on the First Read staff to either ignore or diminish the stupid things that Democrats say. The constant barrage against one side is just, well, unprofessional, no matter which side it is.

Hey, I know, Chris...maybe you can start your own blog and talk about Democrats to your little heart's content if you believe this is so one-sided.

Chris, do a little research. The White House, like every other entity, puts out press releases daily.

First Read prints them verbatim.

They also test market certain talking points for this White House. Here's one example- during the debt ceiling negotiations, the idea of a "14th Amendment" solution was floated on this board. It got a weeks worth of comments- the lefties loved it, but it must not have polled well.

Chuck Todd did not get the email- he lobbed the question to Obama at his press conference, and Obama ignored the question.

All mention of "14th Amendment" solutions disappeared from the writer's vernacular, though some of the posters continued to beat the dead horse.

Look at this morning's First Thoughts- they mention that Obama's approval for handling the economy is down to 26%, but leave out the salient point that democrats approve of Obama's handling of the economy is 53%, and their approval of his handling of job creation is 60%.

This kind of delusional thinking should be newsworthy, right?

Not when you realize that the writers of this blog are probably, themselves, among those who think Obama is doing just great.

Aw, Noidey, why would I go and do that? I mean, doesn't FOX News already do that? I can't compete with them. (And, yes, I do post on foxnews.com under a different name. See if you can find me! It'll be like a treasure hunt!)

No joe, I absolutely think like that is a newsworthy story. Do you think anyone at MSNBC has the guts to report it? Domenico? Chuck? Anyone?

[First Read prints them verbatim.]

Yet you come back day after day to be abused...why is that?

Yet you come back day after day to be abused...why is that?

No one else will tolerate her...

Well Kirk since you mention it: do a search on MSNBC under Biden and you'l see every one of those foot-in-mouth remarks reported on. Maybe the reason it didn't hurt Mr. Biden is because anyone who knows him (and even those who only know him by his accomplishments) don't doubt his intelligence and his ability to get things done. The reason it will kill Ms Bauchman and Mr. Perry is because they have respectively, no accomplishments, and no worthwhile accomplishments. Outside their base, intelligence does matter.

Lets take your comments and ignore the obvious rose colored tint to your conclusions. If its true that Perry and Bachmann have no accomplishments and Biden is brilliant, then clearly stating those accomplishments by Biden, Obama etc should be all you need to win. Win you put up the ledger and there is zero on the positive side for Perry and Bachmann, then you shouldnt need to personally attack them at all. Instead of losing credibility by being shrill, personal, vindictive etc, objectively pointing out your sides accomplishments against the zero on the other side should be a slam dunk right?

My guess is that your problem is that Obama's accomplishments are not much to brag about at the moment so its easier to settle for personal attacks which is the classic left wing media approach. By the way, I have never read anywhere that anyone considers Biden intelligent

It was Anderson Acct. and they went down too. Kenneth Lay gets indicted and dies in Colorado. The multi-millionaire from Texas that died last week in Colorado before indictment handed down for insider trading.

Colorado is Replican.

kacz, great article by David Frum today about this very subject.

The people who promoted and celebrated the Palin pick have disavowed — or at least abandoned — their former enthusiasm. They no longer accuse those who objected to the pick of "elitism" or "snobbishness" or "misogyny." It's now considered very bad form among Republicans even to remember what the people said and wrote about Palin three years ago.

But before the episode is consigned to forgetfulness, there are some lessons to be learned of urgent value for 2012 and beyond.

More respect for brains as a qualification for the presidency.

Within days of the announcement of Palin as GOP running mate, it became obvious to everybody that she could not pronounce two coherent consecutive sentences on any aspect of national policy, foreign or domestic. A lot of effort went into arguing that this ignorance did not matter, or even that it represented a weird kind of plus factor.

In 2008, John McCain had a choice of three female Republican senators, two female Republican governors, and an array of Republican female CEOs, including Meg Whitman, who would gain the Republican nomination for governor of California in 2010.

Each of these possible running mates had her weaknesses, but any of them would have been more experienced, more knowledgeable, and more disciplined than Sarah Palin. But there was one clear advantage that Palin did possess over her more traditionally plausible rivals: her looks. - David Frum

http://theweek.com/bullpen/column/218384/lessons-learned-from-the-palin-debacle

David Frum is right on in his assessment. Frum is one of a few republicans not living in la la land for hot women when it comes to conservative females.