Of course it's a lie- that's all they've got.

I winder though, if, given Carney's statement about thinking before you speak, some "professional journalist" asked about Obama's statement yesterday that things were moving in the right direction?

There's a statement that shows how truly out of touch Obama is at the moment- or any other moment, come to think of it.

Oh, well, maybe Obama is offering then press free admission to Wally World.

The problem is nojo all blow is that we would be moving in the right direction if the country wasn't slipping on all the turds you banana republicans and tea party pusses left in the road.

Bob and nojo:

that is a lie.

Of course it's a lie

THESE are lies. Can't you read? Were you there?

You sure are quick on the trigger. We only wsth YOU would tell the truth in your posts instead of the RNC talking point du jour untuths.

The sooner the true colors are seen, the better. I agree with the conservatives that Perry's comments were not so threatening. After all, he was only referring to the south after they secede from the union.

It's HI-larious seeing the tickets that conservatives come up with. The GOP/TP candidates are all too egotistic to play second fiddle. As for Christie, he's a rude obnoxious man who does not want his rudeness and obnoxiousness to be impeded. When the rude and obnoxious is directed at the far-right crazies, ya gotta love it though.

Huntsman is the only one remotely sane (minus the religious)--don't know enough about Gary Johnson, but he looks better than Perry or Romney. It's being said that Perry is where the Republican Party is now (not the other way around). If so, it's to their own demise.

"When you're president or you're running for president you have to think about what you're saying, because your words have greater impact." He continued, "We take the independence of the Federal Reserve quite seriously and certainly think threatening the Fed chairman is probably not a good idea."

This is just the way your garden variety authoritarian, macho, egotistical, and delusional God wannabe rolls. Well, that, and robbing federal stimulus money to pay off his own state's debt, taking credit for cleverly balancing the budget with that money, passing the cost back to the rest of us, and then blaming President Obama because the stimulus didn't create jobs and created an even larger federal deficit.

Oh, and don't forget the prayer rally because when nothing else works, God will take care of it.

Perry is hardly qualified to speechify on the Federal Reserve, and his bully tactics reveal him to be in the same dangerous category as Chris Christie -- sorry, Ira -- Scott Walker, the ranter John Kasich, and all the other members of the Nouveau-conservatives movement.

Movement, indeed.

Keep talking Perry. Keep talking. People are learning more about you with each passing hour. A free clue: America is not Texas, acceptable comments in Texas can be insulting to the rest of the country. Unfortunately you are too arrogant to take any advice.

According to pool reports, this was Carney’s response:

"When you're president or you're running for president you have to think about what you're saying, because your words have greater impact.”

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This lecturing from the clown whose boss, Barry, threatened grandma with not getting her August SS check to get leverage in the debt ceiling debate??

Laughable.

Moron.

Dear, dear, Joe -- do we have to go there again?

Death panels? Hello?

Death panels? Hello?

I hear they actually have those in Arizona.

This coming from the administration whose VP calls the Tea Party "terrorists". Barry's crew doesn't even call the terrorists "terrorists".

Perry did not threaten the Fed Chairman, that is a lie.

Ron Paul did have a dunk tank at the Iowa straw poll that had a guy in it with a Ben Bernanke mask on. I guess the Liberals will want Ron to be up on war crimes charges.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry turned his rhetorical fire on Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke here Monday night, saying that the chairman would be committing a “treasonous” act if he tried to boost the economy with a decision to “print more money.”

“If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I don’t know what you all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas,” Perry said of the possibility of another round of so-called quantitative easing in the money supply.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/perry-warns-of-fed-treason-challenges-obama/2011/08/16/gIQABVScIJ_story.html?hpid=z1

Dear, dear, Joe -- do we have to go there again?

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Are you saying Barry didn't say:

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News.

I'm pretty sure I saw him say it.

Joe in Albany..Tea Party Pusses won that argument...You did get 98% of what you wanted according to Boner. Is that a factual statement Joe? What's you point or did you miss some critical thinking classes in high school? The problem was that the Pres didn't stand up to you blowhards. What he should have done was invoke the 14th amendment and risk impeachment.

Typical. Reading the comments above that have nothing to do with Perry (somehow Christie, Walker and Kasich need attacking). If you cannot argue on policy, attack on style or personality.

The left are bereft of policy arguments. The money has run out and now there is nothing to run on except the politics of personal destruction.

How about you try making your arguments using Obama's record.

Alan NJ: How about you try making your arguments using Obama's record.

Obama's record? That is the absolute last thing the Left will want to have a discussion about.

The money has run out and now there is nothing to run on except the politics of personal destruction.

And that is one thing Obama is very good at doing. Also, the money has not run out, Obama will have $1 billion to spend. Lots of kickbacks from all that "stimulus" money he spread around.

The left are bereft of policy arguments

WRONG!!

There are numerous "policy" ideas (termed "arguments" in your post) but all of you supporters of the party of NO are in total denial and refuse to recognize them. After two or three (or in many cases dozens) times explaining, we simply move on to other grounds (termed "attack on style or personality" in your post.) I mean, read the fantasized post directly below yours and see what I mean.

There are no alchemists, Alan, so they cannot turn lead into gold.

And they are notoriously poor at turning sows' ears into silk purses.

Pretty good in the other direction, however.

Witness the economy.

I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue.

Joe: the Republicans held the country's finances hostage, by their own admission, and you use the above quote from Obama as proof that HE "threatened grandma"!

Wow! That's a lot of twisting.

AM-- Once again, you hit the nail on the head. For example Perry's so-called "jobs record." The more this is scrutinized the worse it looks. We knew most of the jobs were low-paying, minimum wage jobs. Now we are learning these jobs were lured away from other states. I'd like to hear how that will work on a national level (maybe a question for the next debate?). Also, and this is the biggie, state government jobs grew as well. The rest were specific to Texas, such as oil-related jobs. Once again, will the national "strategery" be to pump oil where there is none?

Joe, I'm posting this again just for you --

A Standard & Poor's director said for the first time Thursday that one reason the United States lost its triple-A credit rating was that several lawmakers expressed skepticism about the serious consequences of a credit default — a position put forth by some Republicans.

Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that "people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default," Mukherji said.

"That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority is something notable," he added. "This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns."

Just because Perry claims the downgrade was due to President Obama's spending, doesn't make it true. Consider the source. In the meantime, Romney's job growth came in 47th out of 50 states, but at least it's more honest.

Bob 1887910,

Weren't you paying attention over at First Thoughts? Or maybe you didn't read the article/blog? I thought I might give you a little refresher and do what you guys complain about most around here with a little cut and paste for your perusal.

"Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treacherous or treasonous in my opinion," Perry said, per Dann. He went on to say that promoters of such an idea -- hinting but not naming Ben Bernanke specifically -- would get an "ugly" treatment in his home state of Texas.

Seems pretty straight forward to me Bob.

Perry did not threaten the Fed Chairman, that is a lie.

Now that would be a lie Bob.

"Now that wasn't very good now was it?"

"Reading it's fundamental."

I see that Perry has now doubled down.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/16/news/economy/perry_bernanke/index.htm?iid=HP_Highlight

Standing next to a "Perry President" sign, the governor replied, "If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I don't know what y'all would do to him in Iowa, but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas."
"I mean, printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history, is almost treacherous, or treasonous, in my opinion," he added.

The only treason in the room is his. He is an admitted secessionist who is deliberately speaking falsehoods for the obvious purpose of inciting discord for the purpose of bringing down the government. Otherwise, what purpose does such inflammatory rhetoric possibly serve?

If he thinks the Fed is wrong, that's one thing. This is entirely another.

It's like saying YOU know how to find Osama bin Laden, as John McCain did in 2008. I guess that proved to be false, too, unless President Obama was willing to take all the credit for some tip he got from McCain.

If Perry thinks he's got the answers then then the only appropriate telephone call for Mr. Patriot to make is to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Are you saying Barry didn't say:

Of course, not., and if it wasn't a real threat, then he was wrong to make it.

I'm just saying that he didn't invest the politics of fear and brinksmanship.

Why will conservatives never take any ownership for your own side's behavior?

Why will conservatives never take any ownership for your own side's behavior?

Apparently the temptation to lie is too hard for them to resist. Especially when they can blame it on the other side.

Smiffy!

How they hangin' today?

[Obama's record? That is the absolute last thing the Left will want to have a discussion about.]

Hmmm...seems the other evening, in another vine, I was more than willing to discuss Obama's record with you, and you pulled a Monty Python...you and HoJoBloMo ran from the discussion like your tits were on fire. Either you want to discuss something, and have a debate, or you don't.

I'm thinking you don't...do you concur?

Now that your Anti-Obama campaign is in full swing...I just want to say good luck with that, Smiffster...you just keep reaching for the stars.

Well, TP, your math skills are as bad as I suspected.

The numbers tossed around by your side is that a third of the jobs created were minimum wage jobs, (I've seen other data that suggests that fewer than ten per cent were minimum wage, but we won't argue the number. Yet.).

So, what I want you to try really, really hard to understand is that, if one third were minimum wage, that means that TWO THIRDS were above minimum wage.

One third of the total of anything is not now, never was, and never will be, "the majority".

It's not even most.

Even if most people were not impressed by the number of minimum wage jobs- a job is a job, and is better than unemployment- throwing around statements that are so easily debunked makes you look, well, let's just say not smart.

And using it to defend a president people already understand knows zippity do dah about the economy? Not helpful.

So, please continue. Not only do you undermine Obama with these ridiculous arguments, you put everything you say into context. So, at a point in the not too distant future, if you said it was raining, most people would reach for the sunblock and head for the beach.

Will Perry show up for a debate? He did not show up for any debates the last time he ran for Governor.

AM- what you posted was the original statement.

You did not get through law school not knowing that "doubling down" means reiterating a statement.

You are engaged in that time tested liberal tactic-

Lying.

Actually, no joe, you're right -- the original statement was Monday. I just mistook it as today's statement because of the headline. Today was the double down. This is what he said today --

Texas Governor Rick Perry told CNN on Tuesday that he stands by his comment that it would be "treasonous" if Chairman Ben Bernanke tried to use Federal Reserve policy to stimulate the economy before the election.

On Tuesday, Perry clarified his comment to CNN's Peter Hamby: "I am just passionate about the issue and we stand by what we said."

(emphasis added)

So, whether I cited the right quote or not, Perry doubled down today.

And either way, double-down or not, Perry's statements about the Fed are false and he knows it.

Now, tell me what what your point is in calling me a liar and what tactic that makes you engaged in.

My particular guess is deflection.

AM: Perry doubled down today

Is that anything like Double Dog Dare?

Let us know who you see on tv tonight Annie. JFK, Janis Joplin, Lawrence of Arabia. Full report in the morning, correct?

It's Tuesday, so lime jello shots, right?

All of you who are focusing on the fact that many of the jobs created in Texas in the last two years are minimum wage jobs, I think the more pertinent fact is that the public sector added 115,000 jobs in Texas in the last two years and the private sector lost 40,000, which means that of the 75,000 jobs that were created almost all of them were government jobs. Sounds like smaller government to me, how about you?

JoAnna:

It's Tuesday, so lime jello shots, right?

Let it rest, okay? But if you want Ira for yourself, maybe you should just tell him, and see what he says. It's a free country, after all, and after the past few days, I perfectly understand why you might.

But if Peter O'Toole happens to show up on TV tonight, I'll probably keep that to myself, although in the interests of full disclosure, I may have to tell Ira.

And yes, it's EXACTLY like double dog dare. Double on the dog.

Heartlight:

All of you who are focusing on the fact that many of the jobs created in Texas in the last two years are minimum wage jobs, I think the more pertinent fact is that the public sector added 115,000 jobs in Texas in the last two years and the private sector lost 40,000, which means that of the 75,000 jobs that were created almost all of them were government jobs. Sounds like smaller government to me, how about you?

Love I get, but what's facts have to do with Republican candidates. God told them to lie.

And his winking at other men is haunting !

Between Perry blowing kisses & Marcus blowing a corn dog, it made me puke in my mouth a little...

Dang Straight! lol

I have a sense this guy could be worse than Palin/Bachmann in radical talks. He will always present Obama's team with a Christmas gift any time he speaks.

This is classic Obama:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/obama-i-reversed-recession-until-bad-luck-hit

Blame anything and everything for his poor leadership and asinine policies. It's not working.

Feisty - and then you swallowed right???

REB - Perhaps not Feisty but I think the American people would have to swallow hard to accept Perry as the next president of the US. He's almost like a bad GWB joke that someone thought up to play on the citizens of this country. He's going to wink one too many times for the comfort of the general populace.

If you can't get anyone to even consider doing it for you...next best thing must be typing it and mentally going through the moment yourself.

Hey...why is your hand so warm?

If you can't get anyone to even consider doing it for you...

Look on the positive side - it keeps him away from the playgrounds...

Shows the kinds of little minds you have. Feisty what did you do send in the attack squad first?

Allen - please get a life outside of the Red Queen's orbit. That's such a weak comeback. Kind of like - "I know you are but what am I"??

Laurie - I'm not a Perry fan but he is one of the ABO (Anybody But Obama) group for the time being.

REB - Well that's too bad for you......because in this instance you end up with a wakadoodle that's out to destroy the country for the sake of Texas. We'd be better off if he would go back to Texas and campaign to secede from the Union. The country would be better off.

Laurie

Perhaps but remember he isn't the nominee yet so we both have some hope. Unfortunately for you , all you will have to choose from is BHO unless some other Dem decides he/she is fed up with his crap as well but I don't think that will happen any time soon.

The "crap" this voter is fed up with is GOPTP produced.

So nothing about BHO bothers you?? You are eminently happy with 9.1% unemployment, a downgraded credit rating, not closing Guantanamo, no congressional budget since he's been in office, almost no GDP growth, extending the Bush tax cuts, a new war in Libya etc. etc. and nothing bothers you. Remember the Republicans have only held the house since January so you can't blame them for everything. The Dems had the 2 branches of Congress and the WH for 2 years and didn't do anything really productive and before you throw up health care I meant that everybody agrees with and wasn't a lie and now isn't subject to be declaring unconstitutional by the SCOTUS.

Feisty dirty talkin' gets her weeble all hot and bothered.

He'll roll her in flour later.

Doug,

You mean roll her in flour and look for the wet spot??

"Beware of the military-industrial complex..."

...Pres. D. D. E.

yerbrojoe

well, this is hopeful:

The Dodd-Frank Act includes new requirements for the Fed to report to Congress on any loan authorized under Section 13(3). Those reports must include not just the amounts, terms and borrowers but the justification for the assistance.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/43855944

As to your "US taxpayer dollars that don't exist" rant. If the money was taxpayer dollars, then the FED wouldn't have it. And if it doesn't exist, how could they lend it ? Your comment does not make any sense.

IMO, there is nothing prohibiting the FED from lending money to any other bank. That is what banks do, they lend money. The FED, in its charter, is supposed to lend to other banks. The rate is meant to encourage banks to borrow. By borrowing, the banks have money to lend to borrowers who will, presumably, use the money for investments. The investments create jobs. That is how bank lending works.

You really should take a basic course in economics. You would learn how lending money helps the economy of the country by allowing a business to expand.

Ummmm - I think it's not mentioned because those are FACTS that don't support MSNBC's political agenda...

OK, now you've got me googling....found the GAO report on Bernie Sanders website.

http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=9e2a4ea8-6e73-4be2-a753-62060dcbb3c3

rob, its not the fact that Americans on all sides of the political spectrum want a balanced budget that makes the far right appear to be terrorists, it is the tactics employed by them that boarder on terrorism. Spreading hate through deliberate misinformation (read "lies") in order to frighten the most vulnerable of our society, not to mention refusing to negotiate like adults in Congress in order to make policiy that will get the economy moving - this behavior is so ignorant and the people who support this behavior are the real unAmerican "terrorists".

Get over it and get real, Rob, the right has been calling President Obama a terrorist since Sarah Palin started it. If conservatives can't handle some of the same words, then they need to think about it the next time they use the same term to describe democrats. Holding the country hostage is what the GOPTP did, they "terrorised" the American people with threats and then claim to be "real Americans".

That same, old, tired Republican double standard that they cherish so much Jody.

Sickening!

...and they just don't get it.

Exactly which promise of President Obama's does this supposedly break ?

And can you give the reference for where the promise was made ?

Obama said in his State of the Union speech that his proposal would not cover illegal immigrants, a remark that prompted Republican Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina to shout "You lie!"

Obama: There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false – the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.

The president is correct: The House bill contains a section (Sec. 246) titled "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS," which states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

However, conservative critics object to a lack of specific enforcement measures in the bill. They argue that the lack of a specific verification mechanism constitutes a loophole that would allow illegal immigrants to get benefits despite the legal prohibition.

The conservative critics were correct!

Thanks Bob.

Gee guys...

See: we can find common ground and be in agreement!

I, too, think we should close loopholes (ALL of them, including in the tax code. Welcome aboard!)

Good point Keith. These GOP/TP candidates are enough to make an atheist get religion, praying every day that these candidates will never come near "the button." Holy cow, and that's not taking into account the First Lady, like Calista, or Marcus.

Get over yourself... So you are associating "getting ugly" with some mentally disturbed person who shot Giffords? You really need a reality check!

jk1963:

Just to clarify, are you saying that:

some mentally disturbed person who shot Giffords

is NOT ugly??????

On the other hand, if you agree it is pretty ugly, then De2Or2010 must be correct.

Which is it?

Alan, I thank you for your service to our country, but you have said something that is offensive in the extreme. It is not for you to decide for the rest of us what patriotism is. It is a bone-deep emotion that you have no right to trample on just because someone disagrees with you politically. As a veteran, you should certainly know better.

And if you want to get into this us vs. them argument, I'd say the big difference between the rest of the country and those on the far left or right is that most of us love America for its people (all of them, not just the WASPs) and ideals. Hard line right wingers and extreme left liberals love America for what they can take from it, for how their ranting and knocking down of others makes them feel right, and the way their fantasy about US exceptionalism makes them feel better than everyone else. I think any group willing to look to center, to look for compromise the benefits us all as ONE people, is patriotic. Any politician, corporation, or citizen who uses our ideals and our society as a playground for their own selfishness does not love our country as much as they love themselves.

DougPoundsOne...

How many times do you have to be told to stay off your mommies pooter while she is checking out "Uncle Johns" tool shed?

But you supported and continue to defend your boy W? Check out this G.A.O. report:

The Federal Reserve Board Used Emergency and Other Authorities to Authorize Liquidity Programs to Stabilize Markets and Institutions 15

In December 2007, the Federal Reserve Board Created TAF and Opened Swap Lines under Nonemergency Authorities to Address Global Strains in Interbank Lending Markets 17

In March 2008, the Federal Reserve Board Invoked Emergency Authority to Facilitate Sale of Bear Stearns and Expansion of Liquidity Support to Primary Dealers 20

In Fall 2008, the Federal Reserve Board Modified Existing Programs and Launched Additional Programs to Support Other Key Markets 27

In Late 2008 and Early 2009, the Federal Reserve Board Announced Its Participation in Government Assistance to Individual Institutions 32

In 2009 and 2010, FRBNY Executed Large-Scale Purchases of Agency MBS to Provide Broader Support to the Economy 36

Most Programs Were Extended a Few Times before Closing in Early 2010 37

Yet in the face of these indisputable facts, Republicans STILL insist on blaming President Obama for fiscal woes and accuse HIM of being "a failure" and ruining our economy.... Unbelievable!

Then you wonder why we don't trust you or believe what you try to tell us.

BEST ADVICE: Get off our President's back and allow him to undo the messes described above.

Thanks Amy B. Portland, ME for the link at 5.2 above. VERY enlightening

You are every bit as stupid as I think.

Best advice. Get some knowledge of what you post.

And Mickey? Do you drool when you think of obama's crotch.

He's failed. He is as lost as the fools who support him. Waaaaaaaay out of his level of expertise. But hey, Chicago's communities still need some organizing....wait, he failed at that too.

Whats the matter ponder? Truth hurts?

My post of the GAO report burst your (RNC spin) bubble?

Best advice. Get some knowledge of what you post.

Right back at you! This is simply the results of the government report directly from the web site. GET SOME KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION OF WHAT IS POSTED before disagreeing with it - you won't appear so ignorant.

You might also want to emerge from the FOXnews fog you obviously wander around in....

Perry is tea party. Just thought you wanted to know, he is supported by the Koch brothers just like the tea party.