Bachmann wins in Iowa and T-Paw calls it quits. If there is one thing we have learn this week is that the New GOP/TP is not fighting for most Americans and is now under the control of the “radical right” – tea party - period. The GOP/TP is now the TP/GOP Party. It is apparent beyond any measure of reasonable doubt that their agenda is to destroy our American Government as we know it and to continue to support Wall Street over Main Street, Big Business over Small Business and the richest 2% over the other 98% of citizens.

This campaign (agenda) “To Destroy America” really got rolling in January of 2010. From one of my previous posts: – “Tomorrow is December 7^th a “date that will live in infamy” (President Roosevelt – 12/07/194i). There is another date in American History that will also live in infamy – January 21, 2010. This is the date that the US Supreme Court sold this country out to the highest bidders (Foreign or domestic) with their “Citizens United” decision. It was later ratified by the Republican Party on September 23, 2010 when they successfully blocked the Full Disclosure Act even though the Senate had 59 Yea votes – another example of “Minority Rule”.

“Historians will look at this date as that point in time where the United States of America had its political freedom and the very fabric of our democracy put on a “Time Clock”.

I wrote that here almost a year ago and the clock is running out.

Consistent “Obstructionism” of the TP/GOP Party has led to the blocking and/or opposition to virtually every piece of legislation proposed by President Obama that had anything to do with creating jobs and stimulating the economy. Just in 2011 only, they have blocked 4 Job Bills that would have created hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs. Just last year the GOP blocked President Obama’s $50 Billion Dollar infrastructure Bill that had a majority vote in the Senate. This Bill also would have created good paying construction jobs in this country. All these jobs (about 2 Million or more from the 5 bills collectively) would have lowered the claims for UI, Food Stamps, Medicaid, etc. They also would have created much need revenues for both the States and Federal Governments thereby lowering the deficit/debt. The TP/GOP Party has not passed or even introduced one Job Bill in 2+ years; instead they have cost America over 2 million good paying jobs and increased the deficit/debt all the time they are claiming “Fiscal Responsibility” – people the TP/GOP is not being honest with America – not by a long shot.

The TP/GOP Party has given us the Ryan Bill and the CC&B Bill. Both have been sold to the American People as “Fiscally Responsible”, they are not. Both have DRACONIAN “Spending Cuts” that virtually every leading economist, both republican and democrat, agree, especially cuts of this magnitude, are a very bad idea in a slow and recovering economy. While we do need to get our spending under control we also need to increase our revenues as well. Both of them repeal/privatize entitlements. The Ryan Bill has an age 55 grandfather clause the CC&B does not meaning under the CC&B if you are currently on any of the entitlements you will face cuts NOW, period. Both use the savings generated from the spending cuts to offset record tax cuts to the top 2%. Both add over $ 5.5 Trillion Dollars to the deficit/debt and cost hundreds of thousands of good paying jobs that add to that $5.5 Trillion Dollars. And both bills gut over 50 Social Programs like Education, Medical Research, FEMA, FAA, Law Enforcement, Food and Product Safety, etc. They call this “Fiscal Responsibility”. I call this BS – just more smoke and mirrors to rob the middle class and give the money to the 2% crowd.

Most recently they have pulled the biggest scam on the American People in the history of this country. They contrived and manufactured a Debt Ceiling Crisis that did not exist. They did not care one iota about the Debt Ceiling anymore than the above bills cared about “Fiscal Responsibility”. They used the Debt Ceiling as an excuse to take another run on destroying the very fabric of the US Government. President Obama put everything on the table from Entitlements, the DOD to Discretionary Spending. By doing so he put his own Political career on the line for the American people. What did the TP/GOP Party put on the table? Absolutely not one thing not one, in fact they “cut and run from a $4 Trillion Dollar deal that included $3 Trillion in cuts and $1 Trillion in revenues arising from closing tax loopholes and incentives for Big Business. Why? It was because House leader never had the backing of the Tea Party and they recalled him like a faulty car. What they settled on was a joke and does not solve the problems at all in that it ignores any revenue increases. Virtually every economist of note says we need both “Spending Cuts” and “Increased Revenues” – BOTH. The man in orange, Rep. Boehner even says they got 98% of what they wanted and he is very happy. Well the S&P does not agree and in a stinging rebuke of the TP/GOP Parties current antics of “Obstructionism” and “NO” Compromise has resulted in the first ever downgrade of our “Credit Rating” They specifically point to the BS that the TP/GOP engaged in as the reason and not the ability of the Federal Government to pay its bills. This is in fact a “Tea Party Downgrade” and History will say so.

And just last week we saw another slap in the face of “Compromise” and “Working Together” and I am sure the S&P and the other two rating agencies took notice. When the TP/GOP Presidential Candidates were asked to raise their hands if they would not accepted even a 10 to 1 deal. That is a deal that cut spending by $10 Trillion Dollars for every $1 Trillion in revenues – they all raised their hands and said they would not even consider such a deal. Again NO Compromise on revenues which will doom any deal to failure if they are not included in any deal.

People, this by itself tells America that they are not interested in any deals or compromises. Nothing they have done to this point under the cloak of “Fiscal Responsibility” is true. It is all smoke and mirrors to try and disguise their agenda to usurp the Federal Government, nothing more. This is going to play out again very soon when the current CLR expires and again in November when the “Impotent Commission” meets for round two of the spending cuts.

People, the GOP/TP is ramping up their historical course to take away many of our constitutional/civil rights, like our rights to vote, freedom of religion and speech, women’s rights, our freedom for open and fair elections free from outside interference, and a bevy of others many of us have written about. The GOP/TP envisions a “Class Based” Society for this Nation based on those that have and those that will never have. They are repealing Health Care for the elderly, sick, disabled and those of modest means. Oh, they are cloaking it in “Financial Conservatism” but at what cost? Millions and Millions of people will be left in the street to fend for themselves with no Health Care, No hope, No nothing.

This ideology is going to put many people in harms way and some will die because they cannot get the Health Care they need at a time they will need it the most. Some will die just because they cannot have access to preventive medicine which could starve off pending medical issues or those with pre-existing conditions that a treatable but will not have the appropriate access.

The attacks on Planned Parenthood and associated organizations to unfund them as well, will take away the only source of Preventive Medicine for millions of people like PAP Smears, Mammograms etc. Why, because they say their primary business is abortions and the government pays for them. This is a bold face lie and has been exposed before. The Hyde Amendment makes their argument illegal number one and less than 3% of all procedures done at Planned Parenthood involves abortions and they are privately funded – NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT.

This is a cold hearted attempt to destroy a “class” of people, we call them the “Middle Class” and they are the very people that built this great nation. This is how we are going to reward them??

We saw this very same ideology in Europe decades ago where they tried to destroy a race (“CLASS”) of people. The GOP/TP is doing the very same thing here. Show me the difference, as the net result will be the same.

This is crap. The bottom line is people are going to have trouble getting affordable and meaningful Health Care, period. My brother in law died from diabetes and he had the best care possible. How do you think those that could not get this level of care will fare? I was with him when the disease took one of his legs, and his kidneys failed. I was at his funeral and spoke for him.

This is just not right people and I do not care how you try and sugar coat it or how you try and hide the facts that denying qualified Health Care to those in need is morally wrong and it will kill. And for what, to give a select group of people more wealth and power? The top 10% already control about 80% of all the wealth and power in this country. How much more is enough? The whole New GOP/TP agenda is that Tax Cuts for the Millionaires and Billionaires while cutting Non Military Discretionary Spending is the only answer in addition to the repeal/privatization of Medicare, Medicaid and now Social Security again. They are wrong.

That road has been traveled before and it was paved with bodies, do we really want to go down it again????

Where are the Jobs and Economic Stimulus the New GOP/TP Party promised us in the last election? What about improving Education, instead they are cutting Educational Funding – How does that improve it?

Now we have a new ruling that Wal Mart cannot be sued for not paying equal wages for equal work why? Well because the Republican Fund Raisers pretending to be impartial Justices of the SCOTUS said Wal Mart is too big for a class action suit.

The current GOP/TP ideology is not an American ideology. They (the New GOP/TP) are anti gay, anti union, anti women, anti education, anti middle class and low income families, anti medical and scientific research, anti food and product safety, AND anti entitlement programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security – which programs that all working Americans pay something into to begin with and a bevy of others.

This is not the American way and people are starting to speak up. Over 70% (higher in some polls) of the American people do not want the repeal/privatization of Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security. They want Jobs and a stable economy. They want more education improvements, not educational cuts, they want their bridges, roads and their infrastructure repaired, they want high speed internet, and the list goes on. These are all things that the GOP/TP currently is turning a deaf ear towards.

Well of course he ‘walked it back’ – the check has been cashed & his TX size wallet is a little fatter!

It was another TX Mission Accomplished moment!

A few hours after unveiling his campaign for president, Perry began walking back from one
of the most controversial decisions of his more-than-10-year reign as Texas
governor. Speaking to voters at a backyard party in New Hampshire, Perry said
he was ill-informed when he issued his executive order, in February 2007,
mandating the HPV vaccine for all girls entering sixth grade, unless their
parents completed a conscientious-objection affidavit form. The vaccine, Merck
& Co.’s Gardasil, would have protected against the forms of HPV that cause
about 70 percent of all cervical cancer, according to the federal Centers for
Disease Control.

"I
signed an executive order that allowed for an opt-out, but the fact of the
matter is that I didn’t do my research well enough to understand that we needed
to have a substantial conversation with our citizenry," Perry said at the
Manchester, N.H., event in response to an audience question about the HPV

The governor
had come under sharp criticism immediately after issuing the executive order on
Feb. 2, 2007, to make the HPV vaccine mandatory. The conservative Eagle Forum
and top Republicans in the Legislature were caught off guard and, in the words
of one of them, “stunned” after Perry used an executive order to make the
vaccine mandatory. Many lawmakers accused the governor of usurping parental
rights and said the vaccine would encourage girls to be sexually promiscuous

Stay the hell out of my daughters bedroom!

Perry was
also dogged by accusations
that he was close to Merck, at the time the sole manufacturer of the
vaccine. Mike Toomey, his former chief of staff and longtime adviser, was
reported to be one of Merck’s three lobbyists in Texas. Merck’s political
action committee donated $6,000 to Perry’s re-election campaign.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-people/rick-perry/facing-new-scrutiny-perry-walks-back-hpv-decision/

Barry is off on his magical mystery tour pretending he is one of us by taking a bus. Unfortunately, it's going to take a lot more than political symbolism for him to get re-elected. Unlike 2008 where he had the luxury of taking the "present" position on any of the important issues, he now has to run on his record. And that means explaining why he should get a second chance to fix the slow economic growth, high unemployment, a broken Washington DC, and trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see. Good luck with that.

Obama begins political counteroffensive in Midwest

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama launches a political counteroffensive this week, weighed down by wilting support among some of his most ardent backers, a stunted economy and a daily bashing from the slew of Republicans campaigning for his job.

"We've still got a long way to go to get to where we need to be. We didn't get into this mess overnight, and it's going to take time to get out of it," the president told the U.S. over the weekend, all but pleading for people to stick with him.

A deeply unsettled political landscape, with voters in a fiercely anti-incumbent mood, is framing the 2012 presidential race 15 months before Americans decide whether to give Obama a second term or hand power to the Republicans. Trying to ride out what seems to be an unrelenting storm of economic anxiety, people in the United States increasingly are voicing disgust with most all of the men and women, Obama included, they sent to Washington to govern them.

With his approval numbers sliding, the Democratic president will try to ease their worries and sustain his resurrected fighting spirit when he sets off Monday on a bus tour of Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois. The trip is timed to dilute the buzz emanating from the Midwest after Republicans gathered in Iowa over the weekend for a first test of the party's White House candidates. The state holds the nation's first nominating test in the long road toward choosing Obama's opponent.

Anybody see the Gallup polls and what the numbers are for the tea baggers and the Republican Party. They are lower than President Obama's - Funny you forgot to mention that.

GreedyBizOwner

Anybody see President Obama's Gallup Poll this morning?......Wow!.....it is tanking into new territory at 39%!

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Yes, because polling 753 people is always a bell-weather to where the Nation is going.

Did you see the op-ed from Buffet telling the GOP in Congress to get off the sack of the rich?

Conservative New York Times columnist Ross Douthat sounds the alarm in a piece encouraging Christie to run. “Is this really the best we can do?” he asks. “The answer is no.”

Is this field of candidates the best the GOP can do? No. But it's easily good enough to knock off Obama.

And "Conservative NYTs columnist" - now there's an oxymoron.

Allen - Omaha

I guess they could not find the necessary 1000 for a statistical data cluster - Makes the poll a total waste.

Maybe they all were eating pizza and pork chops on a stick to answer the phone.

Ronald Reagan's approval rating was 35% at this point in his first term.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11887/Ronald-Reagan-From-Peoples-Perspective-Gallup-Poll-Review.aspx

Don't forget to mention that the TP/GOP numbers are also tanking and are lower than President Obama's.

You guys and your polls - We are 15 months out from November, these stupid things mean nothing.

They are going to go up and down like Wall Street or change as fast as Romney's positions change.

Of course anyone not in La La Land knows that the 9.1 unemployment number and the AA+ was caused by the Republican-Tea Baggers to make President Obama a one term President. They have done nothing more than throw every road block and used every dirty trick to throw the low information voter into their the Republican-Tea Bagger sass pool of lies and misinformation about the President.

The two that scare me the most is Perry and Bachmann. These two, if given the chance would destroy our country as far as we know it and most certainly create a true two class system of rich and poor.

Really look hard and do the research and you will see beyond a shadow of dough the bad records of the Republican-Tea Bagger Jokesters that are running for President.

I and millions more are going to do anything and everything in order to stop these Jokesters and make sure that President is re-elected.

Anybody see the Gallup polls and what the numbers are for the tea baggers and the Republican Party. They are lower than President Obama's - Funny you forgot to mention that.

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The most important poll for Barry is Gallup's Economic Outlook poll where 79% of Americans say it's getting WORSE.

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

The bus tour is one more example of the media not doing its job because they are besotted with a politician.

No one with even two brain cells functioning sees this as anything but a campaign tour. Obama, however, bills it as a "presidential" tour, so we, the taxpayers, are footing the bill- and the media meekly swallows it hook, line, and sinker.

Imagine the reaction if this were Bush. Imagine if it were Clinton. It's Obama, so, if he told you boys that the sun rose in the west, you'd buy it.

Well, you are all that remains in the cult, so you're in for some really unhappy times- cause he's on his way out the door.

As to your snark about Perry's comment on the armed services- perhaps you remember a controversy from a little while ago? An interview with Rolling Stone? A general removed from Afghanistan? Some nasty remarks about Obama? While I agreed at the time, and still do, that it was a breach of military discipline, don't act so shocked that there is little respect for Obama in the armed services.

This was the same guy who proudly announced that he was giving a Medal of Honor to someone living- who had died in combat. The man who, on the day of the Fort Hood shooting, spoke for fifteen minutes- including a "shout out" that included misidentifying the medal received by the recipient if the shout out, before mentioning the shooting. The man who, just last week, spoke for half an hour, whining the whole time, about the unfairness of his being the first and only recipient of a credit down grade, before adding a throwaway line about thirty heroes who were killed less than 48 hours before. It took that long for him to even bother with that much because he was as Camp David, celebrating his birthday. Again.

So, yeah, I'm thinking therenis not much respect for this moron in the military- but what do I know.

Rick Perry was a captain in the Air Force. Obama was a community organizer. Which one knows more about the military?

One good thing is the Republican-Tea Bagger poll approval numbers are much lower than the Presidents.

People see them for what they are.

FR: But Bachmann campaigned like a celebrity. And the event highlighted the brittle, presidential-style cocoon that has become her campaign’s signature: a routine of late entries, unexplained absences, quick exits, sharp-elbowed handlers with matching lapel pins, and pre-selected questioners.”

How is this different from Obama?

Allen-Omaha & Navy-

The Gallup Daily Tracking Poll has a sample of 1500 adults.

And cheer up...

Scott Rasmussen's organization has President Obama's job approval at 44%...and only 10 pts underwater, compared to Gallup's 15.

How about a shout-out for Rasmussen?

Feisty (quoting):

Many lawmakers accused the governor of usurping parental
rights and said the vaccine would encourage girls to be sexually promiscuous

I hate this phony baloney A HANDMAID'S TALE, creepy Warren Jeffs stuff. I watch the TeeVee. Girls already ARE sexually promiscuous. Boys, too.

I think we spend our time and money much better encouraging girls not to die from STDs.

Judge Joe:

The most important poll for Barry is Gallup's Economic Outlook poll where 79% of Americans say it's getting WORSE.

Surprise, surprise.

What exactly is it about "tax cuts don't stimulate economic growth or create jobs" that you conservatives are having trouble understanding?

Oh, and since you're not a real judge, you will survive my attorney rapture, as well.

Now thank me. LoLoL

Ron:

It should be noted that Rick Perry is not another George Bush 43. Perry is 10 times more conservative than Bush 43. Perry has talked about Texas seceding from the union, believes that Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional, believes in states' rights and weakening the federal government, opposes taxes, a Christian zealot, anti-immigration, and against women's rights: A Tea Partier to the core.'

Duly noted, not to mention Perry's totally questionable "jobs creation" record.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/12/news/economy/perry_texas_jobs/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

Texas, however, still faces many challenges on the jobs front. Many of the positions that have been created are on the lower end of the pay scale. Some 550,000 workers last year were paid at or below the federal minimum wage of $7.25, more than double the number making those wages in 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That's 9.5% of Texas' hourly workforce, which gives it the highest percentage of minimum-wage hourly workers in the nation -- a dubious title it shares with Mississippi.

"We have created jobs, but they are not jobs with good wages and benefits," said F. Scott McCown, executive director, Center for Public Policy Priorities, which advocates for low-income residents.

Going forward, the Lone Star State will have to work even harder to create jobs. That's because Perry signed a budget in May that slashes $15 billion in government spending over the next two years. Also, the federal stimulus funds that poured into the state since 2009 have largely dried up.

The state budget cuts alone could result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs, many of them in the public sector, Clower said. Thousands of teachers are already feeling the impact of more than $5 billion in cuts to education funding.

Anybody see the Gallup polls and what the numbers are for the tea baggers and the Republican Party. They are lower than President Obama's - Funny you forgot to mention that.

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JiA: The most important poll . . . . .

. . . is the one in Nov/2012. The question will be: "Do you want jobs, prosperity, economic growth, American exceptionalism, liberty, freedom, and an improving life for yourself and your families, or do you want Obama."

Not correct, Amy.

At this point in their respective terms of office, Gallup's weekly job approval averages show Reagan at 44% (and rising), and President Obama at 42%.

You be the judge of whether President Obama's job approval numbers are rising...or, falling.

So, I remember a time when 'liberals' (really just radicals like a lot of left posters here) cried when Ronald Reagan got elected, because they thought he would actually start World War III.

And it isn't long ago when you could hear 'conservatives' (again, just radicals like the ones who post here, but on the other side) crying because they actually thought we'd give up our national defense and of course never catch Bin Laden.

Both were just plain stupid.

But the vehemence of the pursuit to be red-faced righteous is a higher goal for some than any other thing in life, apparently. So on we go. With a government that works behind the scenes to get things done because the radicals don't understand anything other than what bounces between their own ears. Conclusion: Everybody deserves the miserable state of affairs we are in right now, because we asked for it, and don't want to actually do anything about it, other than yelling.

I think we spend our time and money much better encouraging girls not to die from STDs.

Why are the tea bangers hell bent on destroying Planned Parenthood which provides such services?

Possibly because PP doesn't do 'kick backs'?

You really have to marvel at the anti-gubment crowd...

How much hypocrisy can we take?

"Barrack Obama wil be a one term President" NOT because of Michelle Bachmann or any other Tea Party Patriot but BECAUSE Obama and his merry band of bureaucrats/ hired thugs are REGULATING small business OUT OF EXISTANCE and SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING no matter what downgrade, failed programs (Obamacare, Dept of Education, Department of Energy, EPA, HHS), citizens sick of foreign wars like Libya and Yemen added by the LEFTISTS who love to drop $ Million Dollar Bombs to get campaign contributions from the military industrial complex WHYdoesn't Obama STOP SPENDING and propose CUTS that balance the budget NOW not TEN YEARS FROM NOW?

GreedyBizOwner

Anybody see President Obama's Gallup Poll this morning?......Wow!.....it is tanking into new territory at 39%!

Yea, the FOX NOISE , howler back monkeys, are bragging about the President sinking poll numbers and bragging about crazy eyed moon bat Michele Bachmann.

It seems that history is repeating itself- and America is suffering for it.

When Jimmy Carter proved he was not up to the job he had sought and won, the media opined that America was ungovernable.  Worsening inflation, unemployment, and foreign chaos were not at all the fault of the president.  Too much was out of his control.  It was the  fault of America and its Constitution.  The first, because there was too much criticism, too many divergent opinions, too many who lost faith too quickly.  The latter, because it tied the president's hands, and elevated the congress to a level equal to the presidency.

It was bunk.  Reagan proved that the problem was neither America nor the Constitution- the problem was liberalism, which became a four letter word to the electorate.

Today, we have a president as completely baffled as was Carter- with the added burden of a complete lack of qualifications for the job he sought and won.  One difference is that today, it is OBAMA telling us that the country is ungovernable- by telling us that "our politics is broken".

So, worsening unemployment, shrinking GDP, rising inflation, and a foreign policy that's incoherent, at best, are not the fault of a failed president, but the fault of America, which gave him a republican House to deal with, and the Constitution, which forces him to deal with it.

It's bunk.  A new republican president is going to prove it, and make progressive the next four letter word in political lexicon.

Obama' approval rating is now upside down in NEW YORK, for heaven's sake.  Many liberals/progressive commentators have come forward bemoaning the fact that they backed him over Hillary- they see what is coming.  Democrats are going to be in the desert for another generation, having proven to the electorate that, given the chance, their "perfect world" policies have the unintended consequence of destroying the economy and the very people they are intended to help.

In twenty or thirty years, when the liberal/ progressive minority takes advantage of another crisis to push forth their unwanted agenda, they will have to invent another name for themselves.  I suggest something more honest, like "utopians'- connoting the belief that a socialist agenda will create perfect harmony.Then, at least, people will know there is nothing rooted in reality to any idea they put forward, the result will actually be Distopia, and they can run, not walk, away from the destruction to come. 

As long as republican districts like NY 26 and the two in WI continue to flip he will be re-elected. He has been the president during rough times, he has faced a constant barrage of demeaning commentary from a media empire pretty much dedicated to that purpose, and yet he out polls Congress. The republican house continues to squander the chance to do something for the working class, or raise income to pay the bills and build a nation, so you see independents and republicans deciding the tea party agenda is not really their cup of tea and republican districts flipping. The American people know where the bulk of the blame lies, they know the legislative branch is responsible for budgets, taxes, expenditures, and so on, Congress will be punished in the next election. Some of these politicians keep saying "it is the will of the people" I suggest they go back to their districts and check carefully, because some republican districts are evidently changing their mind.

Gallup's first measure of the 2012 congressional elections shows Democrats leading Republicans, 51% to 44%, in registered voters' preferences for which party's candidate they would support in their district.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148964/Democrats-Enjoy-Slight-Edge-2012-Congressional-Ballot.aspx

All the tea people GOP have left is finding a poll they can tout. Sit back fellow Liberals and progressives this is all we're going to here all day and probably all week from this bunch. They have nothing else to talk about.

But your right they won't talk about the 11% approval for the tea people GOP.

Mixed Bag

Allen-Omaha & Navy-

The Gallup Daily Tracking Poll has a sample of 1500 adults.

And cheer up...

Scott Rasmussen's organization has President Obama's job approval at 44%...and only 10 pts underwater, compared to Gallup's 15.

How about a shout-out for Rasmussen?

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Sure...and the Iowa Straw Poll is what 12,000 or so folks and they are real good at picking the winner of the Iowa Caucus, let alone the winner of the General Election.

Keep your poll and we'll see come election time what percentage President Obama gets when he is put back in office.

If Bachman wins, I'm sure your gay cousin (every family seems to have one or two) will be delighted they will all get free passes to her husbands clinic during her acceptance speech...or if Perry wins, there will be an instant boom of low paying jobs not eligible for benefits for the Nation to munch on or if Romney wins, you can look forward to all of the Venture Capitalist to slice n dice a company down and sell it for a handsome profit and mega corporations to hand out a few more pink slips while they raise their dividends payouts to the shareholders and justifying it all by saying that they are people too.

You run with all that and soon enough Mexico will be keeping our citizens from jumping the wall to go over there for work.

no joe:

It was bunk. Reagan proved that the problem was neither America nor the Constitution- the problem was liberalism, which became a four letter word to the electorate.

Prior to Jimmy Carter, we had eight years of Richard Nixon/Gerald Ford. Can you explain to me how Jimmy Carter came to ruin everything in just a few short years, when no one listened to him, anyway?

By the way, George H.W. Bush paid the price for Ronald Reagan's so-called fixes. And as a result, "economy" became the new buzzword by the time of Bill Clinton's election.

Sound familiar?

Funny, how history seems to repeat after every conservative presidency. But what it's repeating seems to escape you entirely.

Madison From NY

"Barrack Obama wil be a one term President" NOT because of Michelle Bachmann or any other Tea Party Patriot but BECAUSE Obama and his merry band of bureaucrats/ hired thugs are REGULATING small business OUT OF EXISTANCE and SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING no matter what downgrade,

You covered all the usual GOP talking points in the obligatory hysterical fashion. So what do you have to back them up? What regulations are you blathering about?

As for SPENDING SPENDING SPENDING, here's a graph showing some facts that you won't like:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/feb/01/obama-budget-2011-deficit-spending-department

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/maps_and_graphs/2010/2/1/1265047517982/Obama-budget-graphic-001.jpg

BTW:

A while back, someone was ranting here about Obama wildly increasing the budget for the Office of the President. This graph indicates that Obama actually decreased the budget for his own office.

@Forrest -- The NY district had a fake TP third candidate running which allowed the dem to win and in one of the WI races, the Republican left his wife and district and she came out with nasty stuff. Not too much to read into those. Be real.

You make a good argument about Congress, so I guess President Bush wasn't to blame then either. Whew,now that's a relief and you made that argument mute. Thank you.

@Houston -- You are a real comedian. You have to be. Citing links from the UK to illustrate your points on this country is way more than laughable. It is inane.

Anna Molly

Feisty (quoting):

Many lawmakers accused the governor of usurping parental
rights and said the vaccine would encourage girls to be sexually promiscuous

I hate this phony baloney A HANDMAID'S TALE, creepy Warren Jeffs stuff. I watch the TeeVee. Girls already ARE sexually promiscuous. Boys, too.

I think we spend our time and money much better encouraging girls not to die from STDs.

I don't know where FR came up with this stinky pile of poo, but that's not the real reason us parents freaked out over the whole gardasil fiasco, it was because the known side effects and even doctors and nurses were standing up saying they refused to give this vaccine to children because it causes more harm then good.

In an online poll this am on Faux news, Perry got 50%, Romney got 9.6%, Bachmann got 16%, and Paul got 18%. How quickly these TP'ers are so easily swayed. Bachmann will be eaten alive in Iowa by Perry, Mitt will win NH, and Perry will win in SC. Looks like the TP/Rethugs are headed for another Goldwater moment. I'm lovin' it.

Madison, maybe you've got a point about the Department of Education. Let's look at a product of education - YOU!! There's one "r" in "Barack" and no a in "existence". Sheesh! A cat scan of your brain wouldn't find so much as a fur ball!!

Ok Ben maybe I can't read the voters minds, and maybe you can but the bottom line is that they changed their mind and flipped. No the American people obviously did not blame bush for the first four sucky years they re-elected him for a second term, but heads rolled in Congress. I read Obama rants all the time they don't faze me, because I know what most people know, the legislative branch is responsible for spending, budgets, tax laws, ect, ect. House republicans could have paved the way for a republican pres candidate, but they are blowing it, they are on track to be the most do nothing Congress in quite some time and what they have done they done badly. If you want to go back to the blame Bush thing I'll give you this, no matter how bad anybody feels he was he was re-elected for a second term so what makes you think Obama can not be re-elected. Do you really think republicans are appealing to a broad base, what are they offering the young, the old, working people, or minorities, they have paralyzed themselves with their own ideology, and I don't think you will see the general population abandon Obama for an extra helping of more of the same.

Ben-636050

@Houston -- You are a real comedian. You have to be. Citing links from the UK to illustrate your points on this country is way more than laughable. It is inane.

Not being in the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist crowd that you're in, I tend to accept article present the dry numbers at face value no matter their source unless there is evidence to the contrary, especially from a reputable source like the Guardian. If the Guardian article is inaccurate, then what source do you have that contradicts it? Put your facts where your big mouth is.

The "old" point the finger at the other guys strategy will not work for the DemocRATS this election. Obama will have to stand by "HIS" and the DemocRATS record of the past five years. Blame the Teabaggers for wanting spending under income??? That is bad?? The debt ceiling was Obama and Reid's baby, and the moderates will show our displeasure the next election!!

Ben its a moot point not mute. I hate idiots that try to make a point and get the words wrong. Read before posting.

Oh, and since you're not a real judge, you will survive my attorney rapture, as well.

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If you're speaking in a religious sense "attorney rapture" is an oxymoron. At the end times there will be no attorneys being taken to heaven. I think I already told you about one of my favorite cartoons with Satan showing a newbie around Hell and the door with "Lawyers Only" written on it and the caption, "Oh my God, there really is a special Hell for lawyers." LOL!!!

If that's not what you're referring to, you have me thinking it's something dirty that attorney's do with judges??

Liberals, you all make me laugh. All of you on here keep saying look at the tax-cuts and what they are not doing, look at the GOP/TP causing us to lose our credit score. Hey US Navy Disabled Veteran, I've seen numerous posts by you attacking the GOP/TP and saying how your liberal agenda and democrats are the better way and everything is the other sides fault. Well I don't see you thinking very much or talking about your sides failure let us start the thinking process you lack, how about the $100 million just given by our government to Somalia, and before that about $450 million to them as well, how about the $15 million just given to Auschwitz for upkeeping, the $100s of millions we have and are spending on the attacks in Libya that never got congressional approval, the $800 billion stimulus bill that went to unknown places and also to pay off big donations to obama the wall street bail out that went to higher paychecks for the people that caused this recession talking about that how about a president that put in place people like Timothy Geithner that arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns, In the same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, former CEO of Goldman Sachs, or Ben Bernake responsible for the Merrill Lynch merger, and AIG bailout even is stance on those entitlement programs you so favor, he favors reducing the U.S. budget deficit, particularly by reforming the Social Security and Medicare entitlement programs. He warned that the U.S. must soon develop a "credible" plan to address the pending funding crisis faced by "entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare. How about we are still in Afghanistan when our mission is done we got OBL, but we're staying to help rebuild, or even the billions we give to Pakistain and yet they are proving everyday they are an enemy not an ally. So US Navy Retired and libs you are saying by keeping the people responsible for the recession is a logical idea/plan, that they are going to fix what they created. You are saying that even if we have no money it is a logical plan to continue giving money to everybody and their brother like there is no tomorrow but not to our own people and nation, it's okay to rebuild other nations but not our own. Well if those are your plan(s) US Navy and liberals then I'd hate to see your bad plans because you are like the president, you all don't know what you are doing, you all are out of your league.

The closest thing republicans had to a moderate dropped out, Obama is the only moderate in the race. Well unless Perry decides to go with moderate.

No Forrest Grump, the best Republican is still in the race but the GOP/TP don't want him to get the nomination because they know Paul would end the fullish games they play, and the democrats don't want him to get the nomination because he would end their fullish games as well. That is why you don't see much of him in the media, both sides know he would be the best to take us in a new better direction but it isn't going to happen.

Well it could be a mute point, Depends on the circumstances!

The election will be about jobs. Over the past three years under Perry, Texas has enjoyed robust job growth, by far the strongest in the country. While under Obama, the country continued to flounder somewhere around 9 or 10% unemployment. The left can toss out all of it's red herrings - tea party, religion, abortion, taxes, blah, blah, blah - but the people will vote based on jobs and Obama can't hide his miserable failure in creating any.

Hey, Republicans ...

Obama is on his way. His bus is waiting. Better get your shouters ready.

Bit of advice ... clean your own House or we will.

2008 -- YES WE DID
2012 -- YES WE WILL

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148964/Democrats-Enjoy-Slight-Edge-2012-Congressional-Ballot.aspx

Hey, Republicans ...

Obama is talking about your record. Your 30 year old, one trick pony is going to get a workout.

Warm up your Tricks, Evasions, Arguments circus act.

Joe:

If that's not what you're referring to, you have me thinking it's something dirty that attorney's do with judges??

Well, now you know our secret, and the true meaning of "judge not, unless ye be judged."

Sounds like gavel-envy to me.

Hey, Republicans ...

Obama is going to talk to real people. Real people have seen your record.

Is Paul Ryan's Take Entitlements Away flag still flying? Let's find out who salutes ...

The GOP/TP is quick to point out the negative polls on the President. But less forthcoming with the even more negative polls on Congress in general and the Tea PArty specifically.

The GOP/TP is intent on stamping out a group of people representing individual rights (unions) yet they are quick to defend a group of people as reperesenting a voting bloc (corporations).

The GOP/TP is appaled that health care should be mandated in any way and that failure to subscribe should be penalized. Yet Perry in Texas receives support and praise for doing much the same thing with a vaccine for young girls.

The GOP/TP derides ThinkProgress as a news source, even thought ThinkProgress support their pieces with quotes, cites, and video. Yet this same GOP/TP proudly points to Rasmussen and Fox News.

I feel like I'm in opposite land. Or with Alice in Wonderland...

Hey, Republicans ...

Obama is going to be talking about jobs. JOBS, JOBS, JOBS - remember?

Have your Tax Evading Angels started working yet?

www.meetrickperry.com

Stop The Redneck Agenda!

Hey, Republicans ...

Obama is going to talk about the debt limit sitcom. Real people watched it on TV.

Can Boehner defend his Tanked Economy Again political purity??

Obama has a very, very large advantage over any opposition. An advantage that the opposition cannot overcome.

Obama will listen. Obama will learn. Obama will act. Obama will compromise.

Obama is NOT going on a grand campaign tour to drum up support. Obama is going out amongst the voters to listen and to learn. Something the opposition fails to do.

A major theme of the Obama bus tour will be Washington's inability to work 'for the good of the nation'. Dysfunctional politcal bickering that harms the country will be highlighted. Obama will be testing the message of compromise.

Obama has a significant record of compromise - Obama can run on his record. Every major action of the Obama administration has been a compromise - ACA, GM-Chrysler bailout, stimulus, BP-Gulf oil spill, extending tax cuts. Raising the debt limit is the only major issue that the administration has failed to reach a compromise. Opposing Obama's record of compromise would look like dysfunctional political bickering.

Obama's approval rating is still around 40% -

• in the midst of the deepest economic downturn since the 1930s
• after the first rating downgrade of the US
• after the stock market resetting to 2000 levels
• after 3 years of 9.2% unemployment

Interesting to note that during the grand Republican on-a-stick festival in Iowa - Obama won the unofficial vote against the opposing Republican field.

And Obama has not even begun to campaign yet. Is that 'one term' promise still looking like a 'slam dunk'?

Good afternoon HoJoBloMo:

[Obama' approval rating is now upside down in NEW YORK, for heaven's sake.]

I posted this last night on another thread in response to your "Obama is upside down in NY" squawk, but you never acknowledged it...wonder why:

Simply put, so even YOU can understand it, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE...

...move along...nothing to see here...

Here's ABC's story:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/08/obama-approval-goes-underwater-in-democratic-new-york.html

This is the last paragraph:

When asked whether they’d support Obama or a generic Republican in a hypothetical match-up, voters opted for Obama by a 49-34 percent margin.

Here is the ENTIRE Quinnipiac University Poll:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1318.xml?ReleaseID=1636

While you are entitled to your own opinion, you are NOT entitled to your own facts...

how droll libs! Lmao! A straw poll puts you all in a tizzy and running around like cockroaches when the light turns on. Sad really. The nominating convention is about a year away and you are assuming that bachman will win. Don't think much do you libs?

Nerm L - that will be cool, will obama mention that he sat back watching it happen while doing little except go on campaign and funding trips? Will he point out that it took him untill mid july to acknowledge that his own debt commission and the senates gang of 6 was looking like they made sense?

By the way, I don't recall boehner defending obamas tanked economic policies, why should boehner do that?

I do recall boehner admonishing the freshman house members about getting their act together... Something about getting their ass in gear. To bad the senate republicans didn't kick reids ass in gear for not coming up with an alternate plan for getting the FY2012 budget passed.

So President Obama is winning in a hypothetical match-up by 15 points and you're happy? Go for it man, I'm happy too.

MSN you are so afraid of Ron Paul along with the rest of the establishment that you can't even mention his statistical tie for 1st at Ames that should put him in your "then there were three".

Why don't you guys just pick the president and save us all the trouble of thinking we have a choice.

As a middle-right Republican, I have no intention of voting for Ms. Bachmann. Bachmann's remarks on various topics, e.g. homosexuals, among others, stem from such ignorance and lack of education, so-much-so that I fear what more might be going on inside her head. I'd rather not find out the hard way.

My bets are on Romney. And if Romney doesn't get the nomination as Republican Presidential Candidate, then I shall not vote for anyone. Better to not vote at all, than to give a mandate to a poorly educated and ignorant cow (sorry, but that's how I feel about it).

Hey, Republicans ...

A House divided cannot stand ...

There can be only one. Choose wisely or build a House of cards.

The more liberal media is really playing well with the Republican nomination race. Not one word about Ron Paul and the very good showing he had in Iowa? Completely downplaying Huntsman because he would draw a lot of the those on the fence by being much more socially moderate than the other candidates?

So who are they going to parade? Perry (controversial because of his social conservativetism) and Bachmann.

From the article:

He also needs some better economic news, as well as some luck (which he really hasn’t had since that Osama bin Laden raid back in May).

This pretty much says it all. He doesn't need better economic news...what he needs is an economic policy of some kind....and luck??? Sorry, I don't want the president to have to rely on LUCK! But when you don't have the know-how or brains, I guess luck is what you are left with.

But we also thought this line from Perry last night was strange. "One of the reasons, one of the powerful reasons, that I'm running for the presidency of the United States is to make sure that every young man and woman who puts on the uniform of this country respects highly the president of the United States." Does that mean he doesn’t think the U.S. military respects its current president? That’s quite a charge from someone who isn’t the commander-in-chief.

Does anyone really think the military respects this president who leads from behind, who has no spine, who's administration threatens to withhold pay from the military so they can pay the bondholders? How can they respect a president that makes decisions on their strategies based on elections? (notice how his pull down of troops occurs at the end of next summer....right at the height of campaign season).

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

You have got to be kidding me with this nonsense. Do you actually believe the BS you write?

People, the GOP/TP is ramping up their historical course to take away many of our constitutional/civil rights, like our rights to vote,

Requiring ID's impedes an american citizen the right to vote? What american citizen cannot produce an ID?

freedom of religion and speech, women’s rights,

Name one thing that the RNC promotes that does either of these.

They are repealing Health Care for the elderly, sick, disabled and those of modest means. Oh, they are cloaking it in “Financial Conservatism” but at what cost? Millions and Millions of people will be left in the street to fend for themselves with no Health Care, No hope, No nothing.

Oh let's see....so keep Obamacare in place, have the premiums go way up for everyone, especially the middle class and that is going to insure more people? But hey, we'll fine those that can't afford it. In the meantime we can keep this pace of Medicare and leave ALL the elderly without coverage in 2024 when the entire system implodes. Good plan...just kick that can down the road.

Some will die just because they cannot have access to preventive medicine

Cannot have access? Nice fabrication there. Of course they can have access...it is a choice and they can choose to pay for it or not. If they choose not to, that is up to the individual.

The attacks on Planned Parenthood and associated organizations to unfund them as well, will take away the only source of Preventive Medicine for millions of people like PAP Smears, Mammograms etc.

Preventative medicine for millions? Wrong. Why can't these people go to a local doctor or clinic for their care like the rest of us? Why is it our responsiblity to pay for it? Only source??? That is an outright lie. Only free source that is paid for by the taxpayer...yes...but that isn't the taxpayers responsibility.

This is a cold hearted attempt to destroy a “class” of people, we call them the “Middle Class” and they are the very people that built this great nation. This is how we are going to reward them??

The middle class pays for health insurance and doesn't use this government funded garbage. You aren't talking about the middle class....you're talking about the welfare entitlement class that currently gets better benefits than those that pay their own way.

Where are the Jobs and Economic Stimulus the New GOP/TP Party promised us in the last election? What about improving Education, instead they are cutting Educational Funding – How does that improve it?

Stimulus was a democratic promise and it didn't work....how much has the government added to funding education and it's only gotten worse? There have been jobs added...a lot of them. Just that they are in the private sector and liberals don't understand getting paid by anyone but the government. The stall on jobs is because of Obamacare, uncertainty about taxation, cap and trade, EPA regs and other democratic agenda items.

Now we have a new ruling that Wal Mart cannot be sued for not paying equal wages for equal work why? Well because the Republican Fund Raisers pretending to be impartial Justices of the SCOTUS said Wal Mart is too big for a class action suit.

Are they paying minimum wage? Then they are legal. If you are referring to the BS class action suit for sexual discrimination for tens of thousands of cases, all with different circumstances that would require individual decisions, then it doesn't belong as a class action suit does it?

Consistent “Obstructionism” of the TP/GOP Party has led to the blocking and/or opposition to virtually every piece of legislation proposed by President Obama that had anything to do with creating jobs and stimulating the economy.

Obama and the democrats had a supermajority for two years and didn't do a damn thing and you're going to blame republicans? Let's talk about obstructionism....like that of Harry Reid. How many debt ceiling and budget bills have passed the house that the senate did not vote on? (three that I can think of off the top of my head).

The TP/GOP Party has not passed or even introduced one Job Bill in 2+ years;

Yes they have. They voted to repeal Obamacare which is the number one jobs killer in the private sector. It was obstructed by the Senate and president.

Why don't you promote some personal responsibility instead of this milk the system attitude?

Actually Mitt Romney finished the Iowa straw poll near the bottom at 3% of the votes while Ron Paul was virtually tied with Michelle Bachman at nearly 28%.

Why do you suppose that THE MEDIA promotes Romney over Ron Paul? It is because Romney is a loser, and that he is the only Republican in the field that possibly would not defeat Obama the clown.

It is not going to work. Ron Paul will be the choice of the real people and he will kick the clown Obama's behind.

Posted by the Teapublican Party:

"Oh let's see....so keep Obamacare in place, have the premiums go way up for everyone, especially the middle class and that is going to insure more people?"

Funny, because my own health care insurance premiums went up by 400% during the GW Presidency, plus the imposition of copays and a $2000 annual deductible, which, all combined made my increase in out-of-pocket costs 600% in just the 8 years GW was in office. On the other hand, since President Obama has been in office, my health care insurance premium has only gone up 7%, and my deductible has been trimmed by $500 per year too. My guess this means that you would rather pay a 600% increase over 8 years than a 7% increase in 2 years and 8 months???

"Obama and the democrats had a supermajority for two years and didn't do a damn thing and you're going to blame republicans?

What Super-majority are you talking about? The one that the American people voted for, but which only existed for a few weeks between the time that Al Franken was finally seated and Senator Kennedy's death? In a number of States a same-party replacement would have been appointed if a Senator had died during his term in office. Since Senator Kennedy's death on August 25th, 2009, there have been numerous jobs bills killed in the Senate that had the support of 59% of the entire body. Since when does 41% constitute a majority?

For absolute certain, President Obama's poll numbers are a good 50% higher than GW's were toward the end, and GW's poll numbers were higher in 2008 than either Bachmann's or Perry's are today!!! But, I can see where you Teapublicans got the idea that getting a minority of the electorate will somehow constitute a majority too.

Obama, the House, and a 65% majority in the Senate in 2012!!! If Perry doesn't like it then let him take Texas back 100 years to the age of the robber barons. If Social Security and Medicare don't have to pay for the residents of the new country of Texas, they should be solvent a whole lot longer too.

Ron Paul is a frontrunner, certainly moreso than Romney. This article is B.S. Come on people, grow up.

Warren Buffet recently said again that taxes should be raised on the wealthy, he paid less than 18% everybody else in his office paid higher percentages on less income up to 33%. He said taxes have never curtailed investment, people don't turn down a good investment just because they don't want to pay taxes on the extra money they make.

Double posted somehow sorry!

IR:

Thank you for putting the report up. By a 2 to 1 margin the American People want to see Spending Cuts AND Increased Revenues which is exactly what the economists say we need and S&P reinforced the same postion.

See my post on some big name Republicans are coing out and calling for Increased Revenues as part of any deal moving forward.

Will the TP/GOP listen - I doubt it - they have turned their back on America and the only people that have their ear are the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove, Norquist, US Chamber of Commerce and others.

I thought we needed to grow the economy - create new jobs?

Can anyone give a rational explanation how raising taxes, creating more burden - CREATES JOBS?

So true, Forrest. Higher taxes have always seemed to me like incentive to make MORE money, not less. The true incentive to sit around on your hands is to have it handed to you, like welfare, you know?

bob:

Can anyone give a rational explanation how raising taxes, creating more burden - CREATES JOBS?

I just did.

bob, it has became apparent to everyone with a functioning brain that if you dropped taxes to 0 on the greedy bastards hording all the money it would not create one damn job, 0 is what some of them are currently paying, so explain why they should not have their taxes raised? Jesus your disingenuous argument gets old, why don't you go out and play, "red rover, red rover, please send Grover right over".

These greedy bastards will do everything they can to destroy President Obama, and they are destroying the lives of Americans to do so.

Harry Reid can include the new taxes in his and the Senates version of the FY2012 budget. Better get to work on that budget Harry, wouldn't want you and the Democrats to cause yet another crisis by waiting until the last minute again.

Bob,

can you give any imperical evidence that the low tax rates of the last decades has produced ANY jobs, as promised us?

Now that my snarky (and rhetorical) question is out of the way. let me ask you a serious one. if the debt and deficit are as important as your team has been protraying over the last years, why would you not take an "all of the above" approach to solving that issue. It seems only logical to me. Coupled with the fact that the last ten years of historically low taxes has created huge deficit / debt and little to no success with job numbers, I'd call it a no brainer....

Until Warren Buffet dissolves his foundation- making his estate liable for estate taxes- and displays the cancelled check for the amount he "believes" he should be paying, but is not billed for, that he has sent to the Treasury as a gift-

He should shut the heck up, because neither I nor anyone else is listening.

Put your money where your mouth is, Warren.

w bush:

This stupid argument that cutting taxes on the rich creates jobs and stimulates the economy has been debunked so many times it is ridiculous. Everybody from CBPP, CEPR, Krugman, Stockman, and just about every leading economist say this does not work. Cutting taxes on the 2% does not create jobs and it does not stimulate the economy.

Hell you do not need any economist to tell us that. Taxes right now are at the lowest in 60 years with the 2% getting the lion's share of the benefits and where are the jobs, where is the economy.

Come on Bobby short pants - show us proof from any leading economist of note that supports your position the tax cuts to the richest 2% creates JOBS and STIMULATES the economy.

Put your proof where your mouths is.

Anna,

The operative word in my question was rational.

The rich don't collect welfare when their taxes are raised, they move their money to things like tax exempt bonds and then sit on their hands instead of creating jobs.

Thanks anyway.

Navy Boy: Hell you do not need any economist to tell us that. Taxes right now are at the lowest in 60 years with the 2% getting the lion's share of the benefits and where are the jobs, where is the economy.

Obama has spent $4 trillion in stimulus. That doesn't seem to work either. And yet you have an economist like Krugman calling for more. He might want to send his Nobel prize back to Norway. Maybe he can pack it with the warmonger Obama's prize and save a few bucks on the shipping.

bob:

The rich don't collect welfare when their taxes are raised, they move their money to things like tax exempt bonds and then sit on their hands instead of creating jobs.

Well, history says otherwise, of course, but if you're right, then what's the difference?

They're sitting on their hands now. Why shouldn't we at least get a little revenue out of it?

By the way, that whole welfare thing was what we call irony. Look it up.

Ted and Navy,

Great questions that deserve more than a quick retort.

Sorry I'm short on time - Response will be first thing in the morning.

See you guys then.

Obama has spent $4 trillion in stimulus.

Show us the proof for that Statement. His stimulus bill was about $860 Billion and about 1/2 of that went to tax cuts.

Show us the 4 Trillion the President Obama has spent on Stimulus - Come on you old fraud, your statement is an outright lie.

Come on you fraud - Show us the proof of your statement.

We are waiting.

JoAnnaSmith1

Navy Boy: Hell you do not need any economist to tell us that. Taxes right now are at the lowest in 60 years with the 2% getting the lion's share of the benefits and where are the jobs, where is the economy.

Obama has spent $4 trillion in stimulus. That doesn't seem to work either. And yet you have an economist like Krugman calling for more. He might want to send his Nobel prize back to Norway. Maybe he pack it with the warmonger Obama's and save a few bucks on the shipping.

Lady Sniff, when you go on your next foray you might want to take a hint from S&P and get your numbers correct. use That would be what a true detective skills would do.

Here's How Obama Spent $792 Billion On Fiscal Stimulus

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obamas-stimulus-spending-2010-9#369-billion-for-aid-to-people-affected-by-economic-downturn-recovery-act-1#ixzz1V6y5uM9I

Anna Molly

That goes for individuals and those corporations that are people too.

Over $2 trillion in cash sitting on the books of the largest corporations. Corporate profits are excellent considering the economy and these job creators are, as AM says, sitting on their hands.

After over 10 years of a tax break whose original intent was to stimulate the economy and create jobs, the job creators have done nothing. The guns and butter and de-regulated economy of the Bush administration pushed the economy along until the bubble burst. Who stepped in the help....the GOP, the party of business...no way., they were against the stimulus...the Democrats, the socialist, anti business democrats save us from another bank failure and depression.

Show us the proof for that Statement. His stimulus bill was about $860 Billion and about 1/2 of that went to tax cuts.

There is a lot more than that $860 billion pay off to the unions that can be considered stimulus Navy Boy. Every dime of deficit spending is stimulus NB. Or what do you call it?

Navy Boy: Come on you old fraud, your statement is an outright lie.

The despair in your writing is showing Navy Boy. Panic is setting for you and on your side. It is amusing to watch you crumble.

We all know JAS1 lies and makes things up. She thinks it makes her look smart. What a joke she is. And the sad thing about it is she believes what she posts.

Ah yes, Seems that nothing has changed after one week on the lake in NH. Back to the grind. Bev is back on the net; where ya been girl? and red head is still at it.....dream on Romney will take it all. When is the first college football kickoff?

And, there it is NoJo,

You simply just aren't listening....is it because your fingers are in your ears? You simply wont listen to the man who sees the deficit, sees his emplyees being taxed higher than him, and points out the moral issue with this?

Nobody is listening....that's the problem.

Ted, what do you call the person who decries the fate of the poor, but never gives one thinned dime to a food pantry, or any other charity set up to ameliorate the plight?

What do you call the person who demands integrity- but cheats his employees of their fair wage?

What do you call the person who preaches tolerance- and uses, in privat, speech that is loaded with racially charged terms?

What do you call the person who rails about tax rates- but who takes every advantage to shelter his wealth from taxes?

I call ALL of those people hypocrites.

Because they are. Warren Buffet should shut up, until he dissolves the foundation that shelters his wealth from taxation, and u till he can show a cancelled check proving that he paid the amount he believes he"should" pay.

It will never happen- because Warren Buffet DOES NOT think he should pay more taxes, no matter what he says.

He will figure out a way to shelter his money from those tax increases. He thinks YOU should pay more taxes- because the debt is a threat to HIS wealth- and yours.

Therefore, he thinks you owe him.

If Obama has not taught you to read between the lines, nothing will. Rest assured, though, Ted,
Buffet is both a hypocrite, and a liar.

And he wants your money.

Every legitimate bipartisan proposal that has come down the pike has included cuts, tax and entitlement reform and increasing revenues, period.

Top conservative policy wonks, such as Martin Feldstein, an adviser to President Ronald Reagan, and Henry Paulson, Treasury secretary to President George W. Bush, are among those who chide their own leaders for their "one trick pony" oversimplified philosophy. But posting opinion polls to buttress your argument is meaningless.

If I posted the continually unfavorable numbers on HCR, the SINGLE issue at the root of the democrats fall from grace and control of congress, the usual suspects would call it "poll dancing"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

It was not the most important issue facing the president on inauguration day, It split the party and gave the republicans an historic victory in the midterms and is the reason why the administration wasn't focused on the ECONOMY and JOBS from day ONE.

So, it's nice to see that the polls favor a balanced approach, but we would not be here now if those posting these poll numbers had given equal weight to the polls that clearly indicated, then and now that HCR was NOT priority #1 for the Obama administration.

JAS

You need to make a correction. President Obama did not spend 4 Trillion in stimulus. Fact checks please.

Also JAS, please stop your lying.

Hey NJ what do you call somebody that goes on a goody two shoes rant about what Buffet should voluntarily do but supports that same unfairness be built in as a matter of law. Ha you tickled me today NJ

And what is priority #1 for the tea people GOP Dangerfield? To make President Obama a one term president. Is that a winning priority? It's still the economy stupid. And the tea people GOP are focusing on hate and lies.

Now what the hell is wrong with Warren Buffet, he is one of the richest men in the world, I thought we wanted advice from somebody who knows how to run a business, I thought rich people were smart, hardworking and created jobs? The man basically said if he were running the show he would raise revenue, that is his advice as one of the most successful businessmen ever. This guy is not from Hollywood, he is not a community organizer, he is not some overnight dot com kid, he is the "Oracle of Omaha" and now you treat him like a turd in the punchbowl NJ.

Warren Buffett is the new George Soros, except that Buffett really IS one of the richest men in the world.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/03/09/forbes-the-richest-people-in-the-world-2011/

Why any true Ayn Rand fan would listen to those loser Koch brothers, who don't even crack the top ten, rather than to Buffett, totally escapes me ...

http://www.forbes.com/wealth/billionaires/list

... and at the same time becomes a rather striking example of how Republicans throw their own under the bus whenever one of them dares to disagree.

Let's begin with Richard Clarke and Colin Powell, shall we, and see where that trail goes, and what we could have learned from all those the naysayers.

NJ, JAS, Bob all are so intent on supporting their own fanciful positions, and hating the current administration, that they can't see or hear the facts when those facts blast them in the face.

Now what the hell is wrong with Warren Buffet, he is one of the richest men in the world,

The man basically said if he were running the show he would raise revenue,

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Um...... this is the same man that is taking advantage of a loophole in the estate tax to screw the govt out of tens of billions of dollars in estate taxes. Warren, judge not, lest ye be judged

MSN you are so afraid of Ron Paul along with the rest of the establishment that you can't even mention his statistical tie for 1st at Ames that should put him in your "then there were three".

Why don't you guys just pick the president and save us all the trouble of thinking we have a choice.

And yet the obama (bush) tax cuts are scheduled to expire at the end of 2012. Last I read the expiration of the tax cuts would raise revenue by over $3.25 trillion over 10 years of which about $800 billion would come from those earning over $250k/year. let's see, that $3 trillion plus in revenue and add to it another $3-4 trillion in spending cuts should go a long ways in reducing our debt load. Added revenues from a growing economy just makes it all the better.

Like buffet, I have no problem with the creation of another 2 or three tax brackets for those earning more than a million/year. I would however have a big problem with it being used for anything other than paying down debt. After all, politicians have always viewed a pile of cash as something to create a new program to spend it on.

Oh so his stockholders would not mind if he paid extra millions even though the law allows him not to, and his competition would just voluntarily buck up as well, that does not sound like free market economics as played in the USA now does it Joe. I think you are really making the case that if you expect people (corporations are people too) to do the right thing and pay their fair share it must be a matter of law. Did you ever send in a little something extra Joe even though your tax guy said you had a deduction you could use. Ha you are the second regular to tickle me today Joe.

News Flash Republicans have agreed to one single tax increase for Warren Buffet only, because it seems he takes every advantage of the US Tax code while admitting that causes him to pay proportionately less than his secretary, and that it would be wise to force him and others to pay their fair share of income taxes. This one off special tax on Warren Buffet shall be known as the "Holy Cow He said Tax Increase?!" tax and is to be voluntarily paid by Warren Buffet.

Oh so his stockholders would not mind if he paid extra millions even though the law allows him not to, and his competition would just voluntarily buck up as well, that does not sound like free market economics as played in the USA now does it Joe.

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Grump, the Estate tax Buffett is using a loophole to avoid, not "millions", but, tens of BILLIONS in taxes is assessed on his personal estate. The BH shareholders and his "competition" would be unaffected by him coughing up these estate taxes as proof that he is not full of sh!t with his "raise my taxes" nonsense.

Did you ever send in a little something extra Joe even though your tax guy said you had a deduction you could use.

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No, but, I'm not a "millionaire and billionaire" that's claiming I don't pay enough in taxes like the hypoctical St. Warren of the Left. Let him write a check to the US Treasury for about half on his 2011 Forbes estimated net worth of $50 billion, then I'll listen to his advice about raising taxes.

BTW, that check to the US Treasury would only cover about 12 days worth of Barry's current deficit spending spree of $4 billion per day.

Joey neither Warren Buffet or President Obama is breaking any law. Who are you to try and take the hard-earned money away from the man who earned it, are you jealous because he is rich, are you a Socialist, do you just want to live off the government teat at the expense of law abiding citizens, just because they worked hard and got rich. You want money from this mans estate! He can't escape your capacity to spend other peoples money even after he is dead! You don't want his advice on raising taxes you just want him to send half of his net worth to the treasury! Hot damn Joey is outing himself as a flaming liberal, Socialist. You gonna go all the way and vote Democrat now Joey?

Joey neither Warren Buffet or President Obama is breaking any law. Who are you to try and take the hard-earned money away from the man who earned it, are you jealous because he is rich, are you a Socialist, do you just want to live off the government teat at the expense of law abiding citizens, just because they worked hard and got rich.

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GRUMP = MORON

'nuff said.

That's it Joey that is all you got left, you are going with Grump=Moron, what are you already a typical liberal, good at taking other peoples hard earned money but when you ask them to explain why they deserve that money they just call you names. Why Joey you have done quite the Mitt Flopey, I mean Flip Romney, uh Mitt Flippy, er Rip Flomney, ah Flip Mitty aw heck I'm a moron but you know what I mean whatever it is called when you turn yourself inside out trying to be for and against something at the same time.

JS1:

Where is the proof for your statement that President Obama spent $4 Trillion Dollars on stimulus? You give us some BS on unions but still have not showed us where the $4 Trillion Stimulus Bill is.

You are an unmitigated fraud and liar unless you can show me the $4 Trillion that President Obama has spent solely on the Stimulus.

Where is your proof????????????????????????????????????????????

See people, this is exactly why I usually do not engage these mushrooms. They just tell false hoods try and change the subject when caught then go hide under their rock when challenged.

Weak, very weak.

Show me the proof for your statement!!!

Obama 2012

Navy,

Totally agree. The chances of seeing tax increases, revenue increases or any kind of tax reform are about null. The Republicans simply will not agree to it, at least with the people chosen for the Super Committee. Put the bi-partisan recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles Report or Gang of Six Report in front of them, take the best of both and be done. Balanced, bipartisan with support in the Congress, and ready to go. Why go through this farce

Ira,

The chances of seeing tax increases, revenue increases or any kind of tax reform are about null.

Thank you for distinguishing tax increases and revenue increases, Navy seems to think they are the same.

Obama has the exact same tax rate as Bush had, yet Bush had revenue of 18.5% of GDP in 2007 (higher than the historic average) while Obama's revenue is 15% of GDP.

Obama has 20% less revenue with the same tax rate!

Revenue is a function of the economy not tax rate.

Please help Navy.

Please explain that the second greatest source of federal revenue is energy leases, royalties, permitting, liscening etc. Obama has intentionally crippled the energy industry.

Please explain the income tax revenue of all those thousands of jobs.

I know that is a very short list, but ......

Thank you.

BTW - Great comment regarding the super committee.

Ira:

We agree. I just want to see these guys stop the "bull" and do what is right for this country. If they do that both parties can stand up together and share in the glory "so to speak" and say we put the country first, we came together to solve our problems. Everybody wins people - so get with it.

This dysfunctional and expensive infighting is not working and America (republican and democrats) are suffering needlessly.

Thanks Ira.

bob:

Obama has 20% less revenue with the same tax rate!

That's probably because unemployment rose 50 percent in 2008, before the President took office, and has remained high ever since. It's darned hard to collect that revenue from people who are unemployed.

And when you can't collect it one way, you may have to think about other ways.

Please explain that the second greatest source of federal revenue is energy leases, royalties, permitting, liscening etc. Obama has intentionally crippled the energy industry.

Where's your evidence for this? Obama's energy policy seems like only one barrel short of "drill, baby, drill," to me.

Anna Molly:

He just does not get it. He is one of those tea party folk that like to play games with numbers. He is proof of the old saying "that figures do not lie but liars figure". He does this all the time and just keeps shooting himself in the foot every time.

You are trying to converse with an individual that still thinks cutting taxes even lower than they have been for 60 years on the richest 2% will create jobs and stimulate the economy. Just look at the last 10 years and where are the jobs and how is the economy doing there Bobby "Short Pants". Taxes on the top 2% have been the lowest in 60 years so where are the jobs???????????????

Not one economist of note will support that position.

Better go back to touting the polls Bob. Your getting your a$$ kicked on the economy by Navy and Anna Molly. At least the polls are something you can link to.

LoL Navy ... you're right, of course.

But even so, I'm just foolish enough to keep trying.

And he keeps coming back for it, so it all works out.

Why else are we here? ;-)

@ Mo ~ LoL thanks for the compliment ... but gently, wouldn't you say?

I mean, I'd hate to be too hard on him.

Bob --Did revenues under Bush include the "repatriated" tax break businesses took advantage of?

I think it was taxed at 5%.

I've noticed Bob's become awfully quite on the economy. Probably watching Fox (aka tea people GOP propaganda machine) to find out what to say next.

Don't_carry_it_all:

I think it was taxed at 5%.

That's right. And it created no jobs, nor was it invested in R&D. Instead, it was used for M&As that ultimately destroyed jobs in direct proportion to the amount of money spent.

Anna Molly -- I think at this point we need all the revenue we can get. (Some are advocating for a "0" tax holiday, I say not a chance!) A bit of troubling news I caught yesterday was that Canada is lowering their tax rate for corporations to 18% or close to it. This could further deteriorate the job situation here at home. We need to be much more competitive through tax reforms....Canada is too close for comfort in this situation. Reforms may actually capture more revenue than most think...in my opinion.

Navy - where have you been? The senate gang of 6 had no problems with raising revenues. Even ryans FY2012 budget plan was set up to be revenue neutral by broadening the base with tax reform, and there by reducing the effective tax rates. Remember obama's state of the union message on revenue neutral plans?

Even obamas debt commision put increasing revenues on the table.

Anna - I won't disagree with the tax repatriation not creating the jobs suggested, but M&A's do add R&D to the mix when mergers add to the strengths of the parent company who doesn't have those skills.

Your conviction that M&A's are solely for job destruction is not without a little merit, but does ignore other reasons for M&A's as in increasing market share, acquisition of technology that increases productivity and competitiveness, taking dead wood out of the economy and providing future growth opportunities. BTW - I am sure you would aggree that not every M&A is a winner. Wasn't it BofA that bought out countrywide mortgage? And who bought out Wachovia?

Our own federal government buracracy should be looking at their own M&A's in reducing departmental labor and regulatory duplication.

American -- Ryans plan cherry picked a few loopholes....it didn't go far enough as in clean taxes period. You said, .."reducing the effective tax rates.", I say how about we stop the game entirely.

I think there are proposals out there to "earmark" any repatriated taxes. As far as the M & A's they are at it all the time regardless.

Any of you know the effective business tax rate in Canada? Our friendly neighbor to the north!

Jolly are you asking if there are loopholes? lol

Corporate Income Tax Rates Canada

Effective January 1, 2011 the corporate income tax rate falls to 16.5% from 18% of 2010 corporate income tax rate. Yearly tax reductions will see the corporate income tax rate fall to 15% as of January 1, 2012. These corporate income tax reductions, says the Department of Finance Canada, will give Canadian corporations the lowest tax rate on new business investment in the Group of Seven (G7) by 2011 and the lowest statutory tax rate in the G7 by 2012.

don't - of course ryan cherry picked, just like obama cherry picked his in his original FY2012 budget and $1.1 trillion/10 year deficit reduction plan. they are both politicians, should we have expected anything different?Yes, M&A's are a fact of life for businesses, but not all are done with the intent of job killing as anna implied.

Well, I never. Earrings? Is that all men ever think about?

Seriously. ;-)

And seriously, great re-cap. Having intentionally missed the whole thing, it's so nice to get your perspective.

Gingrich's vote total is about 300 higher than I thought he might get. If he really meant to win, I guess he needed to hand out diamonds.

It's starting to look like it's down to Perry and Bachmann. In all my life, I thought we would never see this day, when we would fail to learn the lessons of Sarah Palin.

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Yeah, but thing how cool it would be to have a submissive president. Wait...some would say we have one now. Oooops.

Indeed.

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No wonder Michelle is always smiling.

Nice work if you can get it.

When you watch Bachmann in an interview, you see that she never answers a question. Well she did answer one question yesterday. Anyone currently on social security would not be affected. However, everyone else would be subject to her so called entitlement changes and cuts.

earings are over rated...they just get in the way of your legs getting bent behind your ears.

Well, I do think Bachman did answer one question yesterday. When reminded that she despises gay people, and then asked if she would hire a gay person in her cabinet, her response was basically that she would hire any gay person that meets her 'values' litmus test. So, if you are gay, if you denounce your 'gayness', and if you spew hatred of gays, then she will hire you. That is one point she made very clear.

Is anyone remembering that the top 3 was Romney, Huckabee and Brownback in 2007?

Look how THAT worked out. McCain came in 10th place that year. Far fewer votes than Pawlenty got,...I guess he didn't participate either?

PS. Brownback is the batsh!t crazy governor of Kansas now and Tom Tancredo couldn't sell CRAZY in Colorado, statewide last year. So, yeah, I guess TIMING is everything, right? Or is it Message is everything? Or does it really mean you need to know your constituency and get them to the polls? Who knows, but I feel quite certain that the CURRENT top 3 are all UNELECTABLE on the National Stage. Perry and Bachman do NOT appeal to moderates or Independents and the rabid right wingers will NEVER let Romney rise to the top. Bring on your second string, Repubs, cuz' your first string is literally on life support.

earings are over rated...they just get in the way of your legs getting bent behind your ears.

Or provide convenient hooks on which to hang them. :-)

Much to the dismay of the liberal clowns, Obama cannot lie or spin the truth enough to escape the fact that he is a complete and total failure as a President.

As a matter of fact, if not for his hidden sponsors, he would not have succeeded at anything. If it were not for the many stupid things Obama has done, he would be a blank page in the book of history.

Much to the dismay of the dang straight up conservatives, no matter how much they lie, distort, and spin the truth, they cannot escape the fact the President Obama has indeed accomplished a lot. Bin Laden is just one in a long line of examples of accomplishments. Unlike the accomplishments of those conservative clowns like Bachman and her "light bulb" bill flop. Oops, my mistake, I need to re-spin that in the conservative method - Bachman's great achievement is she cannot get a single bill passed.

w bush:

I think the Iowa Straw poll is a joke alnong the same lines as the "Impotent Super Commission". Just a waste of money and time and did nothing except tell America that the New TP/GOP Party is not going to compromise, they are not going to be part of the soluition in fact they will continue to be the problem and do everything they can to destroy this country even if it mens another "Tea Party" downgrade from S&P.

Good move TP/GOP

Because Bachmann is a heck of a lot more fun than Ron Paul. She even has pretty, shiny, dangling earrings.

Just ask Ira. :-P

But I will say one thing. Perry and Bachmann have inspired me to renew my faith in God.

So I now believe it will be Perry/Bachmann, as God has obviously decreed, and the only role that Paul might play is a third party candidacy.

Lord, how I'm praying that God has my sense of humor.

Paul has been the perennial Libertarian Party candidate forever. One would think that since Paul's political philosophy IS the basis for the TP movement, that he would get a bit more respect and recognition. He doesn't. He does great in Iowa, great in the debates and a very loyal following and still can't gain any traction within the GOP

Perry/Bachmann. Me, I prefer my politics straight up, religion on the side and outside the political debate...that's what the founders intended when they included the separation of church and state...to keep the religious zealots as far away from our Constitution as possible. I think they realized, way back then, the divisiveness the would cause.

It is a shame that the US media are boycotting Ron Paul. He is the only candidate hated by the special interest groups. Vote Ron Paul, annoy the crooks!

You took the words right out of my mouth Max, Kudos!

Ron Paul 2012!

Ron Paul is 76 years old. I wonder if the geezer has an eye on a 'gidget'? Cuz' that will determine, much like McCain, his overall 'fitness' to serve - or at least make SOUND decisions in the event that he CANNOT serve.

Sorry, McCain, but you and your advisers really screwed that one up, big time.

Anna Molly..

No conflict there. Sounds like business as usual in the heartland.

Oh, you forgot Spanky.

LoL Why, yes, I did, didn't I?

So sorry, Spanky.

Now -- Should he stay or should he go? Votes, anyone?

Around here we say it's business as unusual, Ira. It's not quite the way it used to be anymore.

And I'm beginning to think it never will be quite the same again.

I knew that campaign donations could be given for recounts, but then again, I remember the Two Thousand election.

So should you.

By the way, whose fault was that recount? Who could not do the simple arithmetic to realize that there was no chance to gain that many votes from a recount? Who thought that AP was a certified election agency, rather than a glorified news service? ( they proved it when they accepted that an entire town had not turned out to vote. Some proofreaders there.)

Nice spin. No sale.

So, what are the polls looking like for tomorrow?

If you think I'm going to answer you after that, think again, no joe.

No sale.

But if the outcome was pre-ordained, one might have to question, then, why Prosser believed he needed to spend so much money on legal fees.

Was it just to spread a little wealth around to his lawyer friends?

And thanks for the softball.

By the way, you might enjoy this article about Jim Holperin's opponent, Kim Simac --

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_e5bc60ca-bfb8-11e0-858c-001cc4c002e0.html?sourcetrack=moreArticle

But for her latest book, her fourth, the Northwoods Patriots tea party founder sticks with the safe topics of guns and children.

According to a summary by the book's publisher, "With My Rifle by My Side" tells the story of a young boy who learns responsible gun ownership, as well as "the solemn necessity of firearms as they pertain to America's foundation and the preservation of our liberty."

Sounds to us like it is destined to be this generation's "Everyone Poops."

Guns and kids.

If you want to be on this side, fine by me. I'll pass.

I've learned from harsh experience the palpable harm that mixing guns with kids can do.

No conflict of interest at all. Just like the majority on John Roberts' Supreme Court, Prosser's interests are in perfect harmony with corporate interests.

What about me? If Spanky gets to stay alive, I'd like to think I do too!

Steeler Fan-380417...

My PW alumni....didn't know you you became an attorney also.

Even if you didn't...couple of busy seasons qualifies you.

Yep...definitely...room in the lifeboat for you.

The issue is that lawyers are like that guy in "Men in black" you blow their ass's off and they grow back 3 times the size! Might wanna rethink that one, you dont want to have to replace all the chairs in every court room!

"I just want to thank Tim Pawlenty for not wasting anymore of our time."

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Now if Romney, Bauchman, Perry and those other wannabes whose names escape me would follow suit we be getting somewhere.

Wbush:

Good morning! At the very least, Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain and (dare I say it) Jon Huntsman need to exit stage left . . . or in their case . . . I guess its stage right, right? lol

Ya know, Nash, if you were anyone else, I'd think you were being ironic.

Don't get caught up in the personality profiles? Exactly what did Obama offer besies his personality? We see where that got us.

I wish you'd had this attitude four years ago.

Look at the policies? Good advice. Last time out, Obama presented issues, spoke about them- and let the listener infer what his policy would be. Therefore, everybody had a different idea about what his policies would be- and, surprise, surprise, everyone who voted for him thought that Obama was in synch with him or her!

Reality was somewhat different. That's why, soon after he was in office, while his overall approval was high, so was disapproval over each and every one of his major policies.

It was just a matter of time before approval matched policy approval. Even now, his overall approval is continuing to drop- and his "blame anybody but me" message? Not working.

Thanks for the advice, but it's advice YOU should have given yourself in 2008. Then, the contest would have been between Hillary and McCain- and we'd have been in a much better place today.

no joe:

Name one thing that President Hillary Clinton could have gotten through Congress that President Obama didn't?

P.S. Still on Fantasy Island I see . . . tell Tatoo I said hi!

Nash -- No one wastes your time but you. If you pay them attention, then your time is on your shoulders.

Ben:

But what about the time I just wasted reading your post? That is all YOUR fault, no? ;o)

Nashville_fan:

Thanks for your insight.

I recall last week that you wrote how the media spends so much time talking ad nauseum about absolutely nothing.

Nothing more illustrative of that than this morning listening to the talking heads on Morning Joe tell us how awesome Michelle Bachmanns momentum is after the straw poll and then stating the obvious...

She will not get the GOP nomination and if she does she will be be POTUS. S

Soooo. Why then did they spend another hours talking about someone who is going nowhere.

Sheila:

I'm starting to think that they are keeping us distracted so that WE THE PEOPLE won't ever band together and DEMAND a "free press" (or maybe, just a fact based one?) and a WORKING government.

I often wonder why we get the same conversation on every channel all the time? I mean, we just had the phony "debt crisis", seems like "journalists" would be asking "candidates" for reality based solutions to "problems" instead of just regurgitating polls and biography info.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that the corporate people think us human people are stupid.

P.S. God bless you for having to watch Morning Joe-ke this morning, I turned to the channel, saw Peggy Noonan rambling incoherently about "optimism" and changed. Enough with the know-nothing "pundits" . . . somebody remind me what Harold Ford or Peggy Noonan have EVER done that should make me give a rats #$@# about what they think? Waste of time.

(CBS News)

DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., said on Sunday that President Obama is in "remarkably good shape" politically -- and that if anyone has a political problem, it's Republicans. The GOP presidential field, she contended, is full of candidates so interchangeable they might as well be "Legos."

Job1:

I like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I wish we had more women like her in politics. She is smart and honest. Now how refreshing is that. We need more just like her and less Bachmann's and Palin's.

OMG.... I know of NO women who can even stand to look at her!

She's soooooooooo far left she's standing in China. THAT woman is so biased, she'd made a good carbon-pile for checking impedance. But...... you two would make a good pair !!!!!!!! Your left brain lobe controls body functions..right. I mean LEFT !!!! Like the old slit-trench commodes always drained left!!!!!

jolly, we may not know each other well; but I can stand to look at her. And I especially can stand to listen to her.

What a typical mysoginistic thing to say. You never cease to lower my expectations of you. Just when I think you've hit bottom, someone tosses you a shovel and you keep on digging.

w bush:

Rick Perry is a fraud:

This is a governor that talks about how he balanced his budget. What he forgets to tell you is that he used over $6 Billion Dollars of the Federal Stimulus money to do so. Instead of using the money to create jobs he used it to hide a shortfall in the budget, trying to make himself look good at the expense of his people.

All those jobs he says he created – true to a point. What he does not tell you is that many of them came from the good years the Oil Companies have had, a lot of Military Jobs and Stimulus Jobs that he had nothing to do with and most of the others he is responsible for are low paying jobs. In fact Texas leads the nation in the lowest paying jobs by State. Great State to move too if you want a minimum wage job with no benefits.

In addition, while the national unemployment rate is 9.1 percent and the Texas unemployment rate is 8 percent, some 23 states, including New York, have lower unemployment rates, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Perry often talks about the robust growth of jobs during his tenure. But jobs grew at about the same rate during Democrat Ann Richards' four years as governor. And they grew at a much faster rate during Republican George W. Bush's six years in the office than they have in Perry's 10. Even before the national recession hit in 2008, jobs grew at a slower rate in Texas under Perry than under Bush.

He thinks Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional along with the HCR

He is anti-Gay, anti-women’s reproductive rights, anti-environment and anti 16^th and 17^th Amendments. For a list of the top ten see the link below.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/10/241830/top-10-thing-texas-gov-rick-perry/

Thank you, Navy. This site does should what a scum bag Perry is.

Navy:

In addition, while the national unemployment rate is 9.1 percent and the Texas unemployment rate is 8 percent, some 23 states, including New York, have lower unemployment rates, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The unemployment rate in Massachusetts is also lower than in Texas.

http://lmi2.detma.org/Lmi/News_release_state.asp

Texas is at 8.2% while Massachusetts, the heart of liberal darkness to the likes of Slick Rick, is at 7.6%.

She tried to save the light bulb. Does that count -

Bachmann was the driving force behind the landmark legislation to save the light bulb, a real feather in her hat, according to her.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

She tried to save the light bulb. Does that count -

Good morning Navy, I see the deniers are out thumping their chests.

LOL

Actually she didn't she was merely a co- sponsor. The sponsor of the measure to repeal the bulb law, Republican Representative of Texas Joe Barton, "I would lie to apologize to the oil companies. What she did with her idiotic claim about the light bulb bill was prove how dull she is.

Bev

You are so right. That is just one light bulb that despite the number of times you pull the string, it refuses to turn on.

Bev:

Happy Monday good to see ya. the new TP/GOP Presidential wannabees really have no shame at all. They know that most people now know what their ideas have done and continue to do to destroy this country and they embrace them all the more.

Every single one of these jerks raised their hand to say they would not take a deal that had a 10 t0 1 split. This is $10 Trillion Dollars in "spending cuts" for every $1 Trillion Dollars in "Increased Revenues".

All this tells us is that these guys are no better than the congressional tea baggers we have now that are all about "Obstructionism" and "No Compromise". How and why would you vote for a cast of characters that are going to continue the same agenda that lead to our very first every "Credit Rating Downgrade" by S&P. This "Tea Party Downgrade" was warned to them by S&P.

she spent more 'energy' on saving a lightbulb; rather than having a LIGHTBULB moment.

No new ideas, no new plans, no REAL legislation to speak of; but boy howdy she can gin up the masses,...at least 8,000 or so in Iowa anyway. Statewide population, just under 3,000,000. Registered Republicans 608,000 - registered Democrats 710,000.

So tell me why getting less than 1% of the registered vote to 'straw' you is a big deal? For the life of me,...I just don't get it.

Shes' only a five watt bulb, but she wants to amke sure that five watts sucks as much energy as possible.

Seems their platform for 2012 is clear, useless but clear.

The media is trying to snuff out his candidacy. They are controlled by the statuos quo and don't want any real change in that.

My, how Ron Paul supporters love to whine. Yes, Dr. Paul is a cute, curmudgeonly sort of grump, who has a loyal band of followers who will distort any straw poll, or poll on who won a republican debate.

But, the vast majority of people, who are not participating in a straw poll, or a Fox News opinion poll, and are waiting for the real thing, will never vote for Paul. Which, the press knows, and makes him cute, but completely irrelevant.

There are no media conspiracies to snuff out his candidacy. His candle burns so dimly that any fly passing within two feet will snuff it out.

Is that all you got? Golly Gee, I guess I didn't realize I was so immature and nieve.

Go ahead, believe what you want to. And please, above all, don't strain your brain.

Ron Paul's stance on taxes and regulation are Republican, but his desire to immediately extricate us from foreign entanglements is not. I find it unfortunate that the media seems to have decided not to report much about his candidacy, while giving incredible amounts of attention to non-entities like Bachmann and Perry. I'd rather hear more about Ron Paul.

Finally someone understands what the republicans stand for ...the devil is in the details ..they are trying to dismantle the USA and what it stands for ! I doubt "GOD" would trust Rick Perry or the other one Bachmann....with how... every other statement from their mouths is another lie ! They are real politicians !

Yes, be afraid of those horrible Christians as we will be catapulted back to the 1890s for sure.

Hi Houston, Very Good. Thanks

Dan G.-461155

Yes, be afraid of those horrible Christians as we will be catapulted back to the 1890s for sure.

You're right. I am afraid of Christians, but only the horrible ones who give the others a bad name. And I didn't say that we would be "catapulted back to the 1890". Just that the 1890s is the era that best matches a time when the federal government was "inconsequential" in the lives of most citizens, which is the environment that Rick Perry says he wants to restore. It won't be exactly the same as the 1890s. Those who can afford it will still have the Internet.

Thanks, Houston!, for the excellent demonstration of how a grade schooler perceives history and economics.

Don't worry, Perry and Obama are attached to the same puppet masters. You will still get your federal fascism, just, possibly, not the skin tone or speech writer-style you like to vote for. But rest assured, no matter which salesman is ultimately hired, you will still get your wars, bankruptcy, and police state, I promise.

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Thanks, Houston!, for the excellent demonstration of how a grade schooler perceives history and economics.

Where did you get YOUR history of the 19th Century? Was it the new sanitized version approved by the Texas Board of Education?

Ron Paul is beholden to no special interests, that scares the hell out of special interests, these same special interests own all the media outlets, thus they are allowed never to utter the name Ron Paul.

You should know the Liberal Media determines what will and what won't be covered. I'm sure if Ron Paul was a Democrat he would have his own show on MSNBC and Christ Matthews would have a thrill running up both his legs.

That's a joke, they give plenty of attention to the tea party and repubs. Did you ever hear of the coffee party? I think you'll find them on facebook or someplace, they have more "members" than the tea party has, yet I only heard of them on NPR once a couple years ago. ( They advocate for the middle ground in policy. ) issues.

I agree. I find the lack of Ron Paul coverage (from either side of the media mouth) disturbing. I need to know more about him than a similar fifteen second sound bite once a month gives.

Ron Paul is a very good man BUT he's 75 years old and at this age,people just don't listen to the geezers anymore regardless of how much WISDOM they display. Of all the candidates on the Republican side-Ron Paul makes the most sense but he still follows the REPUBLICAN way. When asked at the debate which ones would follow the lead not to raise taxes-THEY ALL RAISED THEIR HANDS and Ron Paul knows as well as anyone you have to raise taxes to bring the country back from the depressive months & years we've experienced. For that reason alone, he's just another Republicrapper.

Why are you trying to put words in Ron Pauls mouth he never said? He is more libertarian the republican, if you took the time to watch some of his video's on Youtube you might have to rethink your opinion.

My own thought is that it would be cheaper and more cost effective to bring our troops home and pay them unemployment compensation than support the war machine. Ron didn't say anything like that as far as I'm aware of, but it's an idea.

Seems like a real Ron Paul supporter wouldn't be hanging out with Republicans. Republicans ran up our debt, invaded two countries, limited the rights of gays, and funded numerous Bridges to Nowhere. None of these actions reflect Libertarian values.

Come to think of it, what was Ron Paul himself doing up on that stage?

If he ran as an independant or libertarian he would need to raise TWICE as much money just to get in the race. And, he doesn't take corporate money, period!

NBC does all of its polling in conjunction with the Wall Street Journal. Put down the tinfoil hat and slowly back away.

That's absolutely true, Most however are Republicans...

I know a lot of people from the 60s that have significant brain cell loss.

Sorry, not enough brain cell loss to vote for a republican who would rather kill social security than have the rich pay fair taxes.

In a debt crisis, isn't it comman sense for the rich to pay a fair tax?

Good Lord, MastChief, what kind of "leadership" do you think the Republicans can offer? The kind of leadership they displayed in Congress when they flirted with DEFAULTING ON OUR LOANS?

That's the kind of leadership that's going to get us out of the ditch Bush drove us into? You want to give the keys to another buffoon Texan? Or, do you want to give the keys to the crazy Lady? Or is Romney more your hero? The guy who cheerfully tells us "don't hate corporations, they are people too! Rich people!"

Amy......... RTFQ!!!! I NEVER said "the Republicans" .......... All I said was that Obama is a POOR LEADER. it's no wonder he has a Congress in Riot. He can't control ANYTHING. Someone needs to take the helm and get this ship back on course. Tea Party...Liberal.....Conservative.... someone who has superior leadership and management ability on the upper level the American People deserve and expect from a President. Not a Union legbreaker-organizer bully with absolutely NO management experience outside of Chicago. Right now, any Liberal tagging on his coattails will be extinct in a year+.

Moe Howard could provide much more leadership than Barack, not to mention many of the great leaders of the GOP, that have a proven track record. Baracks' claim to fame was being a community organizer, and an extremely mediocre Senator, hence his more than dismal record of leadership in his failed Administration.

Ron Paul is a joke, just like the rest of the presidential canidates who raised their hands that 10 to 1 spending cuts to revenues was unacceptable. Their whole platform is to protect the rich from fair taxes.

Protect the rich, America be damned. Wonder what could go wrong with that plan?

If it were a joke, it would be a very sick joke. It's much worse than that, they want to control your choices, thus your liberty.

Amen and Glory Be! The Ron Paul Website shows that he rocked and rolled in the straw polls - Yet once again the mainstream thinks that if they just stop covering him and start acting like he is in this race then they can count him out for good. I plan to - once again - Keep him in the public eye. I will try to do this in a way that is tactful.

Tea Party - I like ya and I think that your head is almost in the right place - but could you tone it down a little?? Sometimes I think guys like Glenn Beck and Bachman are a little over the top. It makes it easier for Dems and the National Media to ignore the ideas of the necessary fiscal responsibility and an audit of the Fedral Reserve when serve it up with a over the top theatrics covered in medium mmild crazy sauce.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that I liked the answers for regarding National Security. Let's save ourselves alot of grief and money and bring our troops home!

Too bad we can't have a "Bachmann-Perry Hybrid" ... after all, BTO was a real success !!

Good God MasterChief Were you in a submarine deprived of oxygen for a few months?

Takin' care of business is what the Republicans are all about!

I like what Rick Perry has to say. The problem is that he is willing to step up for big business at the expense of the little guy who is struggling to make ends meet.

President Obama definitely needs to go. He really has not done much that would be considered a benefit to our country.

I would vote for Donald Trump if he ran simply because of all the candidates running.

Jonathan,,, Figure it out man, Conservatives have always pushed Paul out of the race.

That's what they do to gather independents for rallying around conservatives..... It's only for looks, political electioneering, it will be a cold day in Hell when conservatives put an independent into office, they aren't conservative enough for these nuts

Ron Paul in not an Independent, he is a Libertarian.

I think the point Jim was trying to make Grewolf is that Dr. Paul is neither a Democrat or Republican.