Let's hope it's as successful as his 'pray for rain' stunt! lol

Perry's message seems to have went straight to God's voice mail!

A rain dance may help us.

Good job Feisty, you got old Spankys goat. All he could do in response is babble and stumble around his post not making any since. These tea people are getting funnier every day. What a big joke the tea people have become.

Good job Feisty, you got old Spankys goat

Thanks Mo!

But I got to tell you. I wouldn't touch Skanky's 'goat' with someone else's hands...

All he could do in response is babble not making any since

Today is any different HOW? lol

These tea people are getting funnier every day

And we don't have to pay a 'cover charge'! ;o)

Old Rick looks and sounds like W.

Old Rick looks and sounds like W.

Bush Lite!

Rick (Elmer Gantry) Perry is a political disaster...and prayers won't save him.

From what I hear.....Texans could use a day of fasting!

(Sorry, Texas. We're fat up here too, but you guys are REALLY fat!)

Old Rick looks and sounds like W.

Bush Lite!

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I wonder who is dumber, W or Rick?

Amy, that all depends on what part of the body you are reffering to... stomach's or head's.

This is only one of a number of embarrassments and disqualifiers for Rick Perry. He's got so much trash in his bags that if he's fool enough to announce, there will be a field day for opposition researchers.

It would be unfortunate if he ran, anyway. His polarizing points of view would only further emphasize the "different" in this country when America needs most seriously to recognize the 'common interests" instead.

But on the other hand, the tiny Tea Party contingent and Christian fundamentalists will be splintered even more than they are now by the Republican presidential clown car crowd. Watching the GOP primary field gives us some idea what it was like in old London, when folk for a ha'penny could tour the Bedlam madhouse.

Brianb-999431

Mo - So.... the important thing is to get someone's goat? Is that what you libbies are all about? Say anything at all to get someone's goat. How infantile are you libbies?

===============

I can't imagine any more infantile than someone referring to people as "libbies". Look in the mirror much?

Oh, leave poor Job1 alone. He certainly seems to be fixated on other people's intelligence.

I wonder why that is?

Job1, care to enlighten us?

Ah, never mind, not knowing is far more entertaining.

Unless you're running for the position of "preacher in chief", I'm not sure how holding a football stadium evangelical prayer revival to promote an extreme agenda helps you politically. Even if that did buy you the votes of those who want to turn the US into a theocracy, where do you go after that?

Job1 said: I wonder who is dumber, W or Rick?

I know... I know!! Job1 is dumber!

Brianb-numbers,

Did you use the word infantile to describe another poster? Really dude?

Ring Ring....Hello pot.

I wonder what the conservatives who criticized President Obama about Reverend Wright have to say about Perry and his fanatical preacher friends.

Have any of them preached "God Damn America?"

Have any of them thrown Perry under the bus, or had Perry throw them under the bus?

See, even Obama got the hell away from Wright. Now why do you suppose that is?

Me, I love preachers of all descriptions - "send me your money."

Don -

One of the preachers participating is a white supremacist even John McCain refused to allow to offer an endorsement. You made a good point.

In general, this event is going to be an embarrassing bust. If it's televised (who in their right mind would run this live for all those hours?) Perry may want to control the angles of the shots. With only one-tenth of the stadium filled, the yawning emptiness will make the crowd seem almost nonexistent. Betcha any coverage of this event is contrived, the way the righties tried to make their DC rallies last year seem more than they were. OK, so where will the stock footage of someone else's event come from, this time?

Spanky

President Obama did get away from Wright. Perry is sucking up to this group of crazies. Have you heard these preachers' statements?

Spanky and Brianb, you two do know you're making fools of yourselves don't you. What was I thinking of course not you're tea people. That's what tea people do.

2RedInTx-

Nice civil response, that will earn you a ton of respect and credibility.../sarcasm

Did you use the word infantile to describe another poster? Really dude?

Bryan,

This is the same creep who continually referred to me as 'carrot top in drag'!

Then she wonders why no one takes them seriously! ;o)

If they want to be LOUD they damn well better be PROUD!

Jesus Christ people.

This isn't a Christian nation. I don't care if the majority of this country worshipped Avatar ... that wouldn't make it Pandora.

We are a pluralistic society with many faiths and many peoples. You can pray, do a rain dance, or frolic around in fairy dust ... no one cares!

Just keep it out of our politics, out of our policies and out of our government. Is that really so hard to comprehend? Can you really not understand that? If you want to live in a theocracy, move your asses to the Middle East.

2red

So you respond to insults with worse insults. Why?

don

Common psychological response, you can't come up with an appropriate logical retort you either cope or lash out erratically.

And you, Gingerbread Mamma are a political bigot. Please do not expect to paint people with such a broad brush and think that you will be respected or taken seriously. I am a republican and care about all the things on your top list and very little about the things on you bottom list. Mostly I care about the devastating effect idiots such as Perry, Bachmann and Palin are having on a political party that has historically believed in many good things. I believe in free enterprise, support for small businesses, respect for all types of families and a much, much smaller government.

I find the level of comtempt and disrespect on this blog disheartening at best and mostly offensive. It is the movement by both the republicans and democrats to the fractious, extreme fringes of our ideologies that is destroying this country. The only viable approach to solving our problems exists in the center of the political spectrum and your post does nothing to help anyone move in that direction.

Perry isn't going to make it. Neither is Bachman.

joemike

I interpreted Gingerbread Mamma's comments to be aimed at the Republican members of Congress and the Republican candidates for nomination to the presidential election. If you truly support the first list maybe you should think about a switch in party affiliation. Your leaders do not support your principles.

Rick Perry and his band of idiot preachers are going to solve the problems of the nation and, perhaps, the world through prayer and fasting. Maybe while they are at it they can do a rain dance to end the drought.

re: Feisty 1.1

Perry's message seems to have went straight to God's voice mail.

I just want to commend the great grammar here.

How quickly we forget about the "precepts" of the church in Chicago...and its Pastor...that President Obama belonged to for so many years.

Rick Perry is well within the parameters established by the President in terms of religious beliefs and church affiliation.

I can't imagine that Perry will raise more questions in this regard than President Obama did.

Let's see if he is forced to renounce his own long-time Pastor...as President Obama finally did.

Everyone at First Read ought to just relax.

2RedinTexas: How is insulting a poster's gender because you disagree with her "contributing to the conversation". Would you care for someone to use those words to describe your mother?

Don, thank you.

To JoeMike

If you can't see that your represetatives of the republican/tp persuasion are not all about the top part of that list, then you must be the same. Anyone who is a registered republican with a shred of decency and a smidgen of fairness in their being should be ashamed to have that R next to their name.

Don,

Don't think I haven't given a switch a lot of thought. I don't though think joining the democratic party will suit me any better. That party is controlled as much by its fringe element as are the republicans. Could become an Independent I guess. Maybe I'm tilting at windmills but, at least for a little longer, I'd like to try and reclaim my party from the zealots among us. Thanks for the comments.

The religious right continues on it's path to turn us into a theocracy--like Iran. Keep your religion to yourself.

Gingerbread mamma,

I am going to be as ridiculous as you. All liberals/democrats sit on their fat rearends, smoke dope, and collect their welfare checks.

See how ridiculous I look by making that statement. Thats how ridiculous you look. We all know the statement I made about liberals isn't true. Its time you accept that you acknowledge that your statement is completely ridiculous.

Is there a list of things we CAN NOT pray for? Like . . .

DO NOT pray for health and happiness for everyone (Univeral Healthcare), because it is socialism.

DO NOT pray for the needy, because they are just lazy deadbeats with their hand out.

DO NOT pray for peace, because the GOP/TP does not compromise.

DO NOT pray for "all men and women", because that includes gays and muslims.

DO NOT pray to fix our economy, because we need a bad economy to win in 2012.

That's just a start, but I am sure there is more.

janet -

I am going to be as ridiculous as you. All liberals/democrats sit on their fat rearends, smoke dope, and collect their welfare checks.

See how ridiculous I look by making that statement. Thats how ridiculous you look. We all know the statement I made about liberals isn't true. Its time you accept that you acknowledge that your statement is completely ridiculous.

Actually, most Republicans . . . like you . . . honestly believe that. So you don't really have an argument there.

janet-489369

All liberals/democrats sit on their fat rearends, smoke dope, and collect their welfare checks.

Really Janet?

You do remember this little 'gem' you posted back on June 3rd don't you?

Talk about sounding ridiculous.... lol

janet-489369

Typical liberals justifying people sitting on their butts all day getting high (which is illegal by the way) and they seem to think that taking their money away from them is a bad thing. Why on earth should anyone be allowed to do drugs (including pot) and continue to get a check from their state? Welfare recipients should be out picking up trash along side the road or some other community service for a minimum of 40 hours a week to continue to draw a check. They can work, they just will not. They are the people that won't help themselves, yet the rest of us have to help them.

#16.5 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 3:08 PM CDT

You my dear are what's known around these parts as a HYPOCRITE to the highest degree!

Maybe it's time YOU accept your own 'short-comings'...

First off, I'm all for gays being allowed to marry. That being said, since when does the media care about associations? This event won't hurt Perry in the least. Let's face it, whoever carries the gop banner, the left will do what they always do, they will lie, cheat and steal to destroy whoever runs. Since they are rarely on the "right side" of the issues, that's the only way they know how to play the game. Look at all of Obama's associations: Racist, anti-American preacher; racist, anti-American terrorists; socialist anti-Americans. These are who are running the country now and it shows. High unemployment! High inflation (the hidden tax on the middle class and the poor)! But, for the life of a lib, to see the country going down hill, life is good!

I wonder what the conservatives who criticized President Obama about Reverend Wright have to say about Perry and his fanatical preacher friends.

Don -- They would say "That's completely different... because I agree with Rick Perry's fanatical preacher friends and their bigoted viewpoints."

Joe

Here's the way I look at it (maybe this perspective will give you some outside context)

There are some things up for debate. Economics .... budgets ... taxes ... spending .... these are areas that have shades of gray. They are areas that are not an exacting science and a reasonable discourse is needed to transverse these topics within any given political climate at any given time.

Then, there are some things that are not up for debate. People's basic, civil, human rights for example. There is NO compromise here. We are all equals within the light of our republic and we should all be treated as such. The fabricated culture wars that the right stand for really is a poison that is ravaging our nation.

Hence, based within social parameters, there is no way I could ever vote for a Republican. Which actually sucks for me because I'm actually quite fiscally conservative.

Gingerbread,

MY representative isn't about those things. And having had several long conversations with her both at home and in Washington I am certain of that. That is exactly my point. You paint all republicans as foaming at the mouth tea party members while not all of us belong to that wing. Also, Don it would appear from the above comment by Ginger that she was NOT only speaking about republican members of Congress but of us rank and file party members also. Gingerbread, you do not know a single thing about me so please do not make assumptions about what I believe or care about. I am not ashamed of being a republican and you can like that or not. I am embarrasses and dismays by some of the thing that republican leaders say and do, but that does not mean I am ashamed of the entire party.

Gingerbread Mamma,

What you said can be summarized in one phrase, Republicans mantra has always been "Me, Myself, and my SUV."

Chad,

I would agree completely. Most people would actually "classify" me (seems to be something we need to do) as a fiscal conservative and social liberal (i.e. I support much smaller government AND gay marriage). I have however, found BOTH republicans and democrats that I can support based on their individual stands/beliefs versus the overly broad labels of democrat or republican.

Occassionally I sit read these postings on here and this issue has really stirred by blood. America is a country of "Freedom of Speech", "Freedom of Religion", "Freedom of Opinion", "Freedom to live the way you want so long as it does not hurt anybody else". A day of prayer doesn't hurt anybody. Hell if you don't want to go then keep yourself at home or work or whatever it is you do. The ones that do want to go including Rick Perry then all power to you as you have every right to do so. All the ones running around squacking about what everybody else is doing in their life might want to shut up and take a long look in the mirror at themselves. If you take more time cleaning up your own house you would be better off and so would everybody else around you.

It is better to believe and be wrong... than... to not believe and be wrong !!!

joemike404-

MY representative isn't about those things. And having had several long conversations with her both at home and in Washington I am certain of that.

LMAO . . . this is the funniest thing I have ever read. Actually, what YOUR representatives are "about" is twisting words around so that they can pretend to support things in their own way.

Let me give you an example:

A GOP/TP rep will claim to be in favor of "equality for all" . . . then they will twist that definition and say something like, "gays have the same equality as everyone to marry someone of the opposite sex." Do you see what they did there? They took a concept, "equality", and applied it to their social agenda in a way that twisted what would actually make them equal.

I have voted Republican for the last 20 years . . . still registered . . . and I am absolutely disgusted, literally DISGUSTED, by what my party has turned into. It makes me sick just to hear what they now stand for. Next election, for the first time in my ENTIRE LIFE, I will not vote for a single Republican . . . not a single one. If you are a lifelong Republican that is not ashamed of what they have become, then that means you support their bigoted and twisted viewpoints.

Show me one GOP rep . . . just one mother f**king GOP rep . . . that has the balls to stand up and oppose the Tea Party and their hate-filled objectives. Show me one mother F**KER that is running for President on the GOP ticket who is willing to do this.

Ya, that's what I thought.

Since Gov. Perry is holding this Christian rally, as a born again Christian I hope if he does run for president that he doesn't resort to doing the same things other Republican candidates do - repeating lie after lie and making up things about their opponent that are not true. I believe in the 10 commandments, as should all Christians, and one of them states, Thou shalt not bear false witness'. This means knowingly saying things that are not true. It also means not lying about other's, whether personal or political, stands on the issues. It breaks my heart to watch people who claim to be Christians repeat lie after lie while they are campaigning. They should all be telling us what they will do if elected, what they stand for, instead of twisting facts and making up stories. Most candidates don't do that anymore. Maybe it's because, as we've witnessed the past few weeks especially, that they really don't stand for anything that would get them elected.

We can laugh all we want at the likes Perry, Bachman, Palin and Santorum but the truth is they are actually very dangerous people. They talk about liberty and freedom but they stand for intolerance and ignorance and appeal to the most base and gullible and yes, stupid, in our society.

So if you want to be governed by religious nuts that also are strangely in bed with corporate America and the wealthy, then vote away...your rights that is.

F*****g kidding me? this is what they do in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan! This is the US for goodness sake, we are not a theocracy! We don't use religion to 'prayer' our nations problems.

I have made peace with my fellow Republicans. They have agreed to stop lying about Democrats and I have agreed to stop telling the truth about them! Famous words from many years ago from a great Democratic Statesman. The words still ring true.

LOL!!! Dog gone-it FISTY...you're on it today. What a funny guy.

Joemike........methinks I struck a nerve, where have you been under a rock?

I just want to see/hear one (1) gop/tp member of Congress, one (1) of their leadership stand up to the lies they spread and their stated goals, stall, obstruct anything to achieve their #1 goal.....to make President Obama a one term president, even if that means you ruin the country and pauperize your fellow citizens.

I believe in the 10 commandments

Which version, Exodus 20:2–17 or Deuteronomy 5:6–21?

I've posted them below, we don't get to anything of ethical substance until number 5 ... really?

I can't believe god would have his priorities that out of whack.

What about rape? Torture? What about the abuse of children? How do we know not to do these things? The bible actually tells you to stone insubordinate children ... why don't we follow that?

Isn't intellectual honesty fun :)

1

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3

"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5

"Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6

"You shall not murder.

7

"You shall not commit adultery.

8

"You shall not steal.

9

"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."

Cali,

WOW! In your nifty little message there you told me what my representative believes - who would that be?? Any you called me bigoted and twisted. Really dude, work on the anger management a bit. I would be happy to show you a republican ready to stand up to the tea party when someone shows me a democrat ready to stand up to the progressives. That is exactly the problem. The fringe elements of BOTH parties have highjacked the agenda and no one will stand up to them. That's why it makes sense to stay in the party and fight to recapture the agenda rather than give up.

This is nothing but a giant charade! We all know the Republicans anoint their candidate for president and clearly for this election that is Mormon Romney. None of this will matter when the race actually starts next year...

Ginger,

Yes dear, you did hit a nerve. I'm really tired of the fringe elements in congress being mirrored by the fringe elements on this blog. You are so stuck out on the edge that anyone with a different point of view must be the enemy. Try putting down the glass of Kool Aid and having an original thought.

Rick Perry makes my skin crawl.

joemike

I would be happy to show you a republican ready to stand up to the tea party when someone shows me a democrat ready to stand up to the progressives.

LOL . . . ahhh look at that.

Basically what you just said was, "We don't have one single rep willing to stand up to the extremists, but you don't either so that makes it ok"

Really? That is your best argument? You are perfectly "ok" with an extremist fringe running your party because the other side doesn't have someone to stand up to progressives? And what extremist progressives are you talking about? The left has given in to the right so many times I lost count. Obama is basically a Republican, if you look at what he has actually done and not what he says. Everything the right wants, they get. So you want someone on the left to stand up to Obama and get him to stop . . . what . . . bending over for the right? Ya, we want that too.

Here, let's make this easy. Show me a GOP candidate willing to compromise. That's all, just someone willing to compromise. The left candidates all compromise, Obama just did . . . did you miss the memo? So show me someone willing to compromise for the greater good of the country.

Oh, let me guess . . . you will show me a GOP/TP candidate willing to compromise when the left shows you a candidate willing to do something. Right?

Brianb-999431

Mo - So.... the important thing is to get someone's goat? Is that what you libbies are all about? Say anything at all to get someone's goat. How infantile are you libbies?

Why not, you T-Baggers had your fun with the entire nation. And you'll be laughing about it for years to come.

I wonder who is dumber, W or Rick?

Liberals are not intellectual at all. Their arguments are based on the emotions.

So George Bush, graduate of Yale University, is dumb.

But, liberal Hollywood actors with high school diploma's are super intelligent and we must listen to their every thought process when it comes to politics.

Liberals are not intellectual at all. Their arguments are based on the emotions.

Hmmm ... interesting position.

I suppose on one hand, you could have a point. But, are you then admitting that repubs are the emotionless snakes some on here are calling them? If that's the case, I'd say intellect is the least of our fears as a society that only cares about itself is a society destined to collapse. Not to mention, a society full of pricks.

On the other hand, what cognitive state is more vibrant than one full of passion and emotion? Who's to say that a society based on altruistic values is not a strong one ... an intellectual one? Certainly not you, for you've already exposed your bias.

Or maybe, assigning people intellectual quantities simply based on their political affiliation is a true sign of being "dumb"? Which I guess in your case .... we can only go on what you post. Very telling by the way.

Im sorta hoping the US will be devasted by a natural disaster so that you kids are either wiped out, or forced to grow the F up.

I can't imagine any more infantile than someone referring to people as "libbies". Look in the mirror much?

Kind of like the morons that coined Tealiban, Rethuglicans, and my favorite, Teabaggers. Grow up children. Omaha - are you seriously from Nebraska?! I just wanna know, because I am too! Not many from the Cornhusker State on the vine!

Chad: please show me where, in the Ten Commandments, it "tells you to stone insubordinate children." That was your post's stated premise--the Ten Commandments. Your post indicates knowledge of the Bible. (I do know that some translations of the Bible use the word 'kill' rather than "murder" for the Sixth Commandment. Plus, we all know Jesus's take on the Sabbath.)

Carlito,

Well, read what I wrote.

I didn't write that it said to stone insubordinate children in the 10 commandments.

Here are some examples where you can find it though:

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -- Deuteronomy 21:18-21

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. -- Exodus 21:15

He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. -- Exodus 21:17

Ahh ... that bible .... I tell you. So full of love ya know.

Cali: I can quickly name a Republican who compromises. John McCain. Remember the McCain-Feingold bill?. McCain was/is often under attack from both sides of Congress; is that a description of a partisan?

Bill Clinton was often chided for 'going with the polls." Compared to what? 'Going with' PACs/Wall Street... At least most polls included those from 'main street.'

Chad: I did read your post. You started with a quote from another post-"I believe in the Ten Commandments." You then, properly referred to Exodus and Deuteronomy as the main sources of the Ten Commandments. If the Ten Commandments were not your premise, why did you lead with it--and reinforce it with your next two comments? Just as there is a general difference in the Old Testament (don't get mad, get even; an eye...) and the New Testament (more loving--and stated as under a new covenant), is not there a differentiation between the passages covering the Old Testament in general and the Ten Commandments in particular? I have problems with many passages in the Old Testament, but it is not the only part of the Bible I read (and, yes, I have issues with the New Testament, also [i.e., servitude, even though Jesus did acts of servitude to His disciples]).

In answer to you questions about rape, torture, and abuse: If the Ten Commandments didn't say that murdering was not condoned, is that the same as saying murder is okay? All social documents probably need to be enhanced (witness the Amendments to Our Constitution).

It scares me to the core to think that so many people can honestly believe in those middle-eastern bronze-age myths. I think in most Americans' heads they see a picture of "White Jesus" wrapped in the red, white, and blue, giving them a thumbs up. It's Pathetic.

"Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer."-Anonymous

You may not like that quote, but ask yourself this, if you were bleeding-out on the operating room table, would you want your doctor to use his hands to pray that god saves you, or to use them to stop the bleeding?

If you stop pretending that you really believe in the supernatural, everybody else will too, people like me have already started. Help us stop the spread of this religious stupidity.

Hey Carlito - name one GOP CANDIDATE who would compromise. McCain ain't running honey.

When he was, he was just as bad as the ilk that are crammed into that clown car. Duh.

@Carlito

If the Ten Commandments were not your premise, why did you lead with it--and reinforce it with your next two comments?

I'm confused on your confusion. My post was in light of the individual telling us all how great and enlightened the 10 Commandments were. So, I thought I would post them in all their glory .... I wasn't all that impressed.

It was more just to point out the false narrative put forth regarding "Christian" values. Christian's get their values from us ... not the bible. That's why we are no longer stoning insubordinate children (which the bible commands.)

The Golden Rule? Well, that can be found in the Analects of Confucius, which predate Christianity.

There are multiple historical references (all which predate Christianity) where societies have set up laws and codes of ethics. If we didn't ... we never would have gotten this far. Now, all of the sudden these are "Christian" values. Well, I'd say that's quite an insult to the 7,000+ years of culture and historical honor that predate the faith ... don't you?

I have problems with many passages in the Old Testament, but it is not the only part of the Bible I read (and, yes, I have issues with the New Testament, also [i.e., servitude, even though Jesus did acts of servitude to His disciples]).

Yes, we are in agreement. They are books, written by man. There is some historical fact in there, some poetic beauty to be found, and some atrocious, wicked things as well. But again, they are just books. That's really all there is to say on that.

In answer to you questions about rape, torture, and abuse: If the Ten Commandments didn't say that murdering was not condoned, is that the same as saying murder is okay? All social documents probably need to be enhanced (witness the Amendments to Our Constitution).

Ahhh yes.

Correct again.

The problem of course Carlito, is that these documents are supposed to be considered revelation from an omnipresent, omnipotent creator of the universe. I really find it telling that a child of elementary stature could take one look at the "moral" codes found within the bible and approve upon them in 5 minutes.

I mean really, if we spend the majority of our time editing, translating and interpreting the inspired word of our "creator" ... is it really worth calling it revelation?

Is it really worth calling him god?

BJ: By candidate, do you mean for President--as all who run for Presidential and Congressional office are candidates (i.e., 'candidate for public office'--you did type GOP CANDIDATE). So, regarding McCain, maybe you can divine whether he's running again for the Senate, or not--that's beyond my ken. If, however, you are talking about no GOP Congress members being willing to compromise--what about the 'Gang of Six?' If you think the Debt ceiling agreement was not a compromise, listen to what some Democrats are saying.

Chad: You reason well. But, part of my confusion rests that you talk about 'disciplining' children, then use a quote referring to a son; granted, that son could be a child--or an adult.

I don't really call God 'him;' I call God God. The Bible says that God is spirit. Thus, as spirit, God is above race, gender, etc. (just funning you--I know the patriarchal lean of the Bible, especially the Old Testament). Philosophically, I believe in Ultimate Cause; therefore, I believe in the Supernatural--and am prepared to debate same. But, that is another forum.

I know I don't have to tell you that man has always reflected on life--in any culture. You said it yourself. So, moral values, no matter their 'genesis' (Ten Commandments") or what is appended to them ("Christian"), are not necessarily bad. I don't question their source, only their social value--although, like you, I question the hypocrisy of some who espouse them.

I hope this is not too confusing, as I jumped off topic in the middle. Regards.

@ Carlito,

I don't find it confusing, just pointless.

Please don't take that as an insult because I don't mean it as such. Religion, I'm afraid, is simply the last place I would choose to look for spirituality. The universe is much to grand for our feeble attempts at "truth", and the beauty I obtain through science is much, much too big and much too beautiful to fit in a tiny book ... no matter how many pages it contains.

Janet I am a republican because Lincoln was a republican. My politics are those of the first republicans. Teddy Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower. I have nothing in common with the GOP of today. I consider most of the elected GOP to be R.I.N.O.'s. Give me a man or woman with Lincolns ethics and I will vote Republican, until that time I will vote democratic even if I have to do a write in vote. Gingerbread mamma is correct some Republicans are ashamed of their own party at the moment.

GingerBread Momma was dead on with this thread, and it was collapsed. What she wrote about is certain true of the hard right. I agree with her hence my reposting her content.

In case any missed this yesterday, especially those too blind to see:

And maybe they can pray for guidance on some of these

Republicans, do NOT care about:

☑ US Constitution
☑ Facts, Science
☑ People in General, Human Lives
☑ Children, Young, Women, Elderly, Single Mothers
☑ Middle Class, Poor, Minorities, People of Color, Gays
☑ Equality, Human Rights, Love, Empathy, Family Values
☑ Poverty, Hunger, Homelessness
☑ Education, Deficit
☑ Equal Pay for Women
☑ Workers Right, Small Business, Agenda-Free Judges
☑ Eth!cs & !ntegr!ty, Principles
☑ Rule of L aw, Soc!al Justice
☑ Health Care for American People
☑ Tax cut for 98% of Americans
☑ Veterans, Active duty military, Firefighters
☑ Peace, The Earth, Rest of the World
☑ An!mals

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➨ What Republicans. DO care about:

☑ Themselves
☑ Money
☑ O!L
☑ Power
☑ Wealthy
☑ White
☑ Their Party
☑ Wars

Thank You Wade - Gingerbread Mamma's NEVER should of been collapsed - then again the right wing nitwits can't handle the TRUTH!

"They have left so many people out of work this summer by not agreeing to subsidies for small airports throughout USA."

Yes, it is immoral, they are going to hell. The Bible says, "thou must fully subsidize an airport in a rotten hellhole in Nevada so Senator Harry Reid doesnt have to drive"

The apostles of hate.........and we say in God We Trust.

That's what happens when you elect Tea Terrorist to grown up jobs. Oh well, hopefully, the Terrorist will be gone soon.

Spanky, come on now, lets get it straight... several months ago it was the "Gun Toting Tea Party," followed by the racist tea party, followed by the terrorist tea party and now the immoral tea party. Seems like every week it's a new tag. I can't wait for next weeks new tea party name. It seems the liberals have a whole hat full of them.

I guess you're being deliberately obtuse to make your point, but after all it is the Perry's, Bachmann's and the rest of them who start throwing around the word morality, which they invoke as a thinly disguised way of encouraging homophobic religious zealots to their fold. Morality means much more than hammering away about abortion, or 'family values', and if you are elected, as these guys have been, they have a moral obligation to do right by as many people as they can and not to sacrifice the American economy on the altar of their narrow ideology.

Taliban will kill for Allah, stone you to death (women)if your caught with another man and call you infidel if you don't adhere to their thinking.

................ will kill for God if you carry out abortions, will protest when burring your folks who died serving this country because they are gay, stone you if your gay, take their country back if you don't look like them.

Folks, you can't fight for God. God is love.

Yeah Pius it's the tea party memebers that are doing all those things.

Sure it is. The only question is, do you realize how silly that sounds, or is it you just don't care because that's all you get?

Either way my man, it's just silly.

Poor libbies, it just ain't going to be business as usual in DC anymore. You all are going to have to work for it, shake them moneymakers.

Spanky-

Name any of my statement that is false. I don't care who you fill in the gap with and guy, it ain't silly.

Just love without conditions.

What can you expect from a smart group of tea partiers that still think that gay is catching?

Their brain seem to be stuck in the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth mentality. No taxes for the rich create a healthy smaller government.(another religious belief with no basis in fact)

Bachmann and Perry wants to force you to have a child and then deny it food, health care, social security, clean air and water and education after it is born. They would have you believe God chose them to fight to the death for their rich masters.

I always thought the bible was about jesus loving everybody and christians loving jesus and taking care of the poor, I guess I was wrong.

Biggest lie, death by a 1000 cuts is good for America.

Pius - was it Tiller that killed the abortion doctor? Whatever his name he did it for religion, not politics.

The tea Party is about politics. In fact I think he killed the guy before the Tea Party existed.

Same with the protesters you cite - they are not tea partiers, and therefore are irrelevant to this discussion.

Or do you think I couldn't throw a bunch of freaks back at you who coincidentally might also be democrats?

annie13 - Ouuuuuhhhhh... that dreaded word "morality." The bane of liberals... Liberals hate the word morality because it takes away from their freedom to do what they want at anytime they want. By no means shall the word morality ever be tied to homosexuality... it's too convictive. Never tie morality to abortion either... Way too harsh a word for killing an innocent unborn person. Let's milktoast it... call it a medical procedure and tie it into the psychological well being of the mother... even if it's used as a form of birth control.

In fact, let's strike the word morality from the english language all together. Remove it... it no longer exists in these modern times when it's OK to laugh at Christians, mock them and call them terrorists.

SPANKY

I didn't know you were a member of the Voltron force.....Defender of the Universe. just don't keep arguing with yourself, pal.

Religious zealots scare the hell out of me. No place in politics for religion.

There sure is a lot of silly name calling and defending my side on these post's. The tea party has turned out to be a Koch Bro's shill group, bussed into events. Have you gone to any events talked to people? My husband and I have and many we talked to were on SSI or disability or whatever yacking about tax's, funny if it wasn't so sad! Liberal's, we consider ourselves Liberals, open minded and caring about the elderly, poor and children. We live conservative lives, in that we work hard, pay our bills, save for our future, try not to judge but be open to new ideas, or different ideas, try not to jump on the blame game, like the hot buzz words immigrents, abortion,Muslim, morality ect. Since when is Liberal a dirty word? If you believe in Jesus, you know that he was a LIBERAL! I happen to be pro-life for myself, but pro-choice for everybody else, because no one should have the right to tell, any Woman want to do with her body. The same people that call for smaller government, want them to control Womens reproductive rights? The so called Christians, that don't care about the poor, sick,elderly and children? How about we all just care about our fellow human beings?

brian: There's nothing moral about shoving your version of "morality" down people's throats. Real Americans don't do that whether they're liberal or conservative because we aren't a theocracy. Calling something a sin is your right, but defending a politician hoping for national office and demanding everyone else agree with you is not. (That's one of the basics that separates us from the Taliban among others--putting a "conservative" label on forcing others to follow you doesn't make it any more American.)

Well said Hummbird. Let's hope the world we live in now will become as you see it. Peace.

Hey, Spanky...why don't you and Alfalfa go back to your He-man Woman Haters club for a while? Your amateur "libbies" schtick is getting old...and increasingly desperate.

Yes religion is a private thing. Spreading the word is not about cramming it down our throats. I was raised a christian, but The way I try to treat others is my example. Christians try not to hate anyone, but it has been very hard not to after all the money making schemes and name-calling by these network christians. Jesus did not have to take hostages for the word of God to spread around the world. His was a ministry of peace. Greedy men turned it into a violent movement being perpetrated by the right.

The clown that killed George Tiller was an avowed conservative nut right here in Kansas. And after having braved a couple of "Tea Party" rallies I can tell you they are loaded with screaming nut cases who claim that GOD is on their side. I don't care how Spunky and his nasty buddies want to spin it, Tea and religious nut cases go hand in hand. They care little of others and won't realize just how unchristian they are until they are standing at the gates and the good lord says, "yeah, right".

How does smaller government have anything to do with pro-choice or poor people. Do you people understand how much it costs to put these leaches in offices by the thousands to tell you your children should wear a helmet when they ride their bicycles? Or, God forbid, they shouldn't eat a french fry? That doesn't really sound like pro-choice to me. It's time to get skinny in Washington. Small businesses are laying people off and Washington is forming more commitees to tell them what they should be doing. Most of us have enough common sense to know what to do. We don't need regulations choking us to the point that we can't compete with the rest of the world. I agree with the prime minister of Russia. We are sucking the world economy down. I guess the only way to fix it is to send Mrs. Obama and her family back to South Africa or give Pelosi her private jet back so she can get back to California 4 days of the week. Wake up people! We're in a recession. We can't afford all of these entitlements. And one more thing, social security and medicare are not entitlerments. I have been paying my share for more than 40 years. If you want to call my views conservaitve, then do so. I think a little bit of common sense would solve a lot of our problems.

annie13

I guess you're being deliberately obtuse to make your point, but after all it is the Perry's, Bachmann's and the rest of them who start throwing around the word morality

annie, don't forget both Perry and Bachmann have been told by God to run. I can't figure out why he would tell more than one that they are chosen but apparently he has told at least two... It must be kind of like the fact that we now have two republican parties, advantage in numbers, now we have two chosen one's..

Jesus said the two most important commandments are: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. Moslems, GBLT people, elderly, children, poor--these ARE your neighbors. You cannot love God and hate your neighbor! Jesus also said that it is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. Didn't He also say something along the lines of "that which you do for the least of them, you do for Me"? I have a very hard time seeing any love or compassion from these new "puritans". They want a "christian" theocracy--does anyone know which version would be the orthdox? Would it be the one that thinks catholics are the spawn of satan, or the ones who think Martin Luther was a false prophet, the ones who think there should be open hunting season on gays, or how about the ones who think that Japan had a tsunami because the emperor fornicated with the sun goddess? How are we going to know who is orthodox? What will be the test? Salem witch trials anyone?

"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly

You know your at satan's prayer meeting when the "preachers" preach hate and intolerance, that they can make rain and include a GLUTENOUS overweight Haggee. That is not a name call. His name is really Haggee. ; ]

Really though on a serious note isn't this the cats meeow. So much hate frothing fourth from the tongues of those claiming to be Gods prophets. Haggee preaches almost exclusively on end times hating Palestine and gays and I'm sorry but... Were still here. No rapture yet. You? Anyone? Remember the hate full things Haggee said to make Mccain run from him and his endorsement during the Mcailin run? And since when does the bible and God speak of Sun demons having sex with Japans economy and crashing it because Japan thought the sun demon was a bad lay? I mean Gene Simmons is all that but c'mon huh? I don't think he would have crashed Japans economy I think he would have made it money with KISS. ; ]

Cheers

Maybe someone should FORCE Haggee to fast...? Just a thought.

Do you people understand how much it costs to put these leaches in offices by the thousands to tell you your children should wear a helmet when they ride their bicycles? Or, God forbid, they shouldn't eat a french fry?

How about the government telling your children what they can, and can not, watch or hear on TV?

How about the government telling YOU what you can, and can not, put into your own body?

How about the government telling YOU want you can, and can not, do with your own body?

How about the government telling YOU who you can, and can not, marry?

How about the government telling YOU what clothing style you are allowed to wear?

Where is your precious Tea Party outrage over this? Where are your calls for smaller government over these issues? Where is your claim for "personal responsibility"?

Most of us have enough common sense to know what to do.

Really, Archie? Really?

Then where is your f**king common sense to raise your own worthless children, instead of relying on the government to make sure they don't hear a bad word on TV? Where is your f**king common sense to NOT use a drug, instead of relying on the government to tell you not to?

Where is your common sense there, big boy?

You are nothing but a typical conservative HYPOCRITE and LIAR. You lie about wanting "smaller government", but still want the government to raise your worthless children. You lie about having "common sense" but you still require the government to tell you what to do with your own damn body.

You complain about entitlements, which includes welfare, then you turn around and increase the welfare population by stopping abortions for the poor. What do you think happens to entitlement when you increase the population of the class receiving them? And the pathetic part is, you are not even smart enough to realize what you are doing.

Why do "Christians" side with the tea bagging republicans side when clearly liberals and progressives love thy neighbors don't send me death threats or my family death threats, they don't stalk me until I run them out of town and they dont hate gays and women and children..? Liberals are not greedy self serving terrorist holding economy's hostage for personal gain they do not circumvent tax laws in order to NOT render unto Ceaser's what is his I mean really. I am SURE tea bagging republicans worship at the alter of Satan. NO where in the bible does God preach capitalism and NOT to help those less than or who are poor.. In fact Jesus destroyed the temple before he was crucified why? Can any tea bagging republican tell me that? r do you simply allow fools such as these false prophets to tell you what the bible says? Whoa unto you my friends. I hope that you follow me and understand I am here to help you ll. I love you all.. ; ]

Cheers

That you hate Obama is obvious, Archie. You stood up for Social Security and Medicare, that is what's important to me.

...there is no divine inspiration behind your nasty name calling and poor attempts at wit

Bob,

Don't be a hypocrite. It doesn't suit you.

The SPLC did great work during the height of the Civil Rights era but has become a propaganda machine of the left. They are just about irrelevant these days. It is a shame it has become this with all of the history from the 60's.

I see IntheMiddle and Bob can't handle the truth from the Southern Poverty Law Center. They are all for it till it goes against their ideology, then it must be a left wing propaganda machine. Like I said the tea people are getting more Hilarius every day.

Paranoia is a staple the right wing experiense. In fact it has blinded them so bad they can see nothing else. Sad.

Yeah! "SPLC really shot themselves in the foot, calling the patriotic Christian warrior Timothy McVeigh a 'domestic terrorist ". Now THAT's the rest that you won't read from SPLC's enemies.

"You'll know when Fascism comes to America, it will be cloaked in the flag and carrying a cross."

Upton Sinclair

Why gosh Noid - go ask the actual Taliban and other fine purveyors of the "religion of peace."

They'll tell you exactly what that means, and why gays and women are just bad.

See bro - the actual terrorists have an actual plan to deal with those they no like-y. Blow them up.

But I know in your eyes it's the conservatives that are terrorists and taliban, right?

Spanky...dude, what did ANY of that mean?

Sorry Noid, just trying to draw and highlight the difference between the real terrorists/Taliban, and those you all now call terrorists.

Guess I've been watching too much Chrissy Mathews. You know the idoit that keeps calling the Tea Party Wahabi-ists, ready to blow the government up.

So how many times will the fine posters here reosrt to calling conservatives terrorists today?

There you go again Spankster..Deflect and re frame, deflect and re frame..Can't you ever address an issue straight on? Frankly I don't see any difference in domestic Terrorists whether they be Islamist or Christian. Apparently you have some insight in this area so please explain.

Oh Wait!!! I thought Da Noids comments were about gay marriage...But you knew that didn't you.

Deflect and re frame...Deflect and re frame......

As always Torpedo, thanks for the shout out.

But I do wonder, other than criticizing me, do you have anything to say? It really seems not.

That's fine - I am honored to be the wind beneath your sails.

Oh and by the way I did answer Noid, in a very direct manner. That you fail to recognize that is simply a reflection on you.

How is the marriage of a man and a woman threatened by gay marriage?

You know I've never understood this argument either. I think a bigger threat is heterosexuals who jump into marriage as game (See Britany Spears 1 week marriage, or other celebrities who seem to think marriage and having kids are a career move).

It threatens a traditional marrage because gay is catching.

If a married man (or woman in each case) sees men marrying other men, he will be drawn to and changed into a gay person. Doesn't everybody know that?

A real tea bag has more brains than these on the religious right.

@DaNoid -- yes homosexuality is a movement -- a bowel movement.

That's a contribution to adult discourse? Are you over 12?

Spanky- How did you answer? By deflect and re frame like torpedo pointed out. I even went back and reread, you have been spouting faux talking points so long, you go off point and still think your right? Maybe your suffering from half-timers, half the time, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about! But from your post's it's all the time! LOL!

We believe the core goal of the homosexual movement is to abolish the traditional, Judeo-Christian view of human sexuality, marriage and family," the group writes on its website.

Astonishing how these folks who aren't homosexual somehow know all about it! Do they have spies at the homosexual agenda meetings? Well, no, except for their own closet cases, they don't actually know diddly squat about homosexuals, they are just making up stuff to make "the others" look bad.

The real "agenda" of the gay rights movement is 3 fold:

1) Legalize private sex acts between consenting adults. Already achieved in the US and most nations, though there are some backwards places that still persecute, even kill, the "sinners". (BTW, that legalizing private consensual sex applies to straight couples, too. You're welcome)

2) Stop discrimination due to irrelevant factors like "sexual orientation". With few exceptions (like being a preacher to a fundie congregation), who one sleeps with is irrelevant to ones job. Mostly achieved, thanks to repeal of "don't ask don't tell", though there are some trouble spots remaining.

3) Get the same rights as others, including, for monogamous gay couples, the same legal rights as other monogamous couples. It's not a "special right" to be treated the same as others.

Note that NONE of that involved "abolishing traditional Judeo-Christian views", no one is coercing anyone else to "be gay" in any way. As far as we're concerned, you're free to be as narrow minded and judgemental as you'd like in your own personal life, as long as you don't intrude into our rights.

Noid,

What FRC meant was gays and liberals mean to eliminate the church's control over the definition of marriage, love and morality. So, therefore, this isn't the goal of the "Gay Movement", whatever the H, double hockey sticks that is -- it's actually the goal of the democratic secular movement. Which is to say, modern society.

Here is the Homosexual Agenda:

I hope you find this to be helpful and informative.

If spankster can't be 'straight' on a gay thread response,...does that have some double meaning? hmmm?

Homosexuality is not a mindset learned by imitation. It is part of the hard wiring of a brain that dates back to the womb every gay man, and lesbian, rode in for the first nine month. There is no proof that it is or was ever learned by watching same sex couples. The "facts" Spanky and other hard right conservatives point too are over written diatribes with no link to reality. If indeed we are the result of divine creation, and there are no errors in that creation, then the divine force makes straight, bi, and gay people all the time.

My religion is better than yours and I will fight you to the death to prove it.

fight yourself to the death, just leave us out of it!

Sarcasm is my thing. Please reevaluate my post above.

When I see Perry talking, gesturing, and even the energy about him it isn't that of a politician, but that of a preacher. If that is what he wants to he I wish he would go be one instead of pretending to be a politician to further his religious causes. Really that is nice if all his beliefs make him happy, but this isn't a Christian country to be run according to his beliefs or any other groups' beliefs.

Really, when I see pictures of him he is obviously a preacher/minister preaching to a megachurch. He sees this country as a megachurch for him to run. Scary stuff, and the things his friends say are not only bizarre, but scary too.

edin florida ...my religion kicks your religions stinky butt! so there

Perhaps Perry can pray the debt away!

NAH! He already swiped the stimulus funds to balance the budget in TX!

PAT- Because Obama Boehner Reid Pelosi have done what? The State of Texas is in much better shape than the U.S.

Oh no Pat - Obama, Pelosi and Reid are praying for more spending.

That's why they are failing.

whether you agree with them politically or not, they're actually working at their jobs, not praying. The US is not a theocracy--This stunt is shameful and unAmerican and ought to be denounced ESPECIALLY by those of faith.

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

NAH! He already swiped the stimulus funds to balance the budget in TX!

Actually he swore to not take stimulus money in his re-election campaign. ROTFLMFAO

As he spent the hell out of the Stimulus Money and it came time to balance the budget the money was gone, Education here took a $4 Billion dollar hit. Tens of thousands of educators and school administration people lost their jobs, class room sizes doubled, which was against state law.

Looks like spending sprees are all around, huh?

T4T said: The State of Texas is in much better shape than the U.S.

So the projected $25+ billion dollar budget deficit (second only to California i think) is somehow an indicator that Texas is in "better shape"? Really?

Wow that is incredibly insightful. Please continue to wow me with relevant facts t4t. Please.

As he spent the hell out of the Stimulus Money and it came time to balance the budget the money was gone

Thanks Robert 1960 - as Steeler Fan mentioned, we love getting the 'skinny' from people on the 'ground' in the states!

Perry makes a snake oil salesman look ethical! ;o)

The state of Texas should do us all a favor and leave the Union as Perry proposed.

Please, please please don't put all Texans in the same secessionist bag. There are a lot of us who are embarassed by how Perry has portrayed us on tv and in his insane rantings of a book. We don't have millionaire friends to spread the word here . We have been gerrymandered into silence by ballot, but we still have hope. They even took the money for elderly people to receive air conditioning units during the summer to balance the budget. I really miss Molly Ivins, she would have a field day with today's politicians.

So the projected $25+ billion dollar budget deficit (second only to California i think) is somehow an indicator that Texas is in "better shape"? Really?

Actually, the Texas budget deficit is twice that of California - and California has a bigger population to educate and more roads to maintain. Texas doesn't spend more than California, but thanks to an extreme anti-tax mania it gets far less revenue, not nearly enough to cover the basics.

Dreeves

DO you Remember Ann Richards (Bouffant Betty) she would be kicking some of these Tea Party boys right in the butt and she would take names...

and look up his most super industrious, NAFTA texas land grab for a super highway. It must be the reason he said he would refuse stimulus money and took it anyway...right?

I would not doubt that this is when he announces his run, when he formally announces that God and his wife told him to get out of his comfort zone and run...

Wow, Torpedo - loved the tiny little exit line.

Although some might view that as a tad passive aggressive, no?

But as to you comment - I do not recall Bolton being on MSNBC. I typically only watch their comedy line up.

PS - did you "Reply" button fail you?

What's passive aggressive to a narcissist Spankster? Are you condeming your own tactics?

Gee Spanky, I watch Fox..John is on Hannity from time to time. And while he doesn't have the intellect to have a regular show on Murdoch's network he does amuse.

Chris Matthews is a right-wing liberal, and no friend of the Progressive or populist movements. And frankly, he's an embarassment to both liberalism AND journalism. Note how the corporate press at NBC removed Keith and Cenk, but maintain their mouthpiece of political correctness? Has anyone seen the commercial where matthews calls the president "A product of a mixed-background"? What coded message IS that -- something you'd expect to hear from David Duke or Glen Beck?!

Let's see Dem, Kenyan Father, White American Mother. The young Obama chooses to be Christian, instead following Islam. How is Barack Obama not of a mixed background, please explain that to me?

Thanks for the report from the ground in Texas, Robert. That is one of the things I like most about FR---information from people about the events in their state, like Anna Molly in Wisconsin and Amy in Maine.

George Bush was a much better governor. We didn't have all these greedy insane tbaggers in the lege then. He was hijacked by Dick cheney and his bunch when he got to Washington. How sad that some one could be changed so easily. No wonder he calls washington the swamp. I never voted for him by the way.

everything you put here is a pathological lie.

Mark Bernadiner-1136934 - which part and are you talkin to me?

http://www.askchesapeake.com/Barnett-Shale/Pages/information.aspx#tab-two

OR
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-education/public-education/day-1-thousands-texas-teachers-losing-jobs/

The Associated Press reported that up to 100,000 of the state's 330,000 teachers might lose their positions. Officials at the Texas State Teachers Association estimate that about 12,000 teachers have lost their jobs so far, and they warn more teachers could be laid off in the second year of budget cuts

OR even

Gov. Rick Perry touts Texas as a model state that escaped the recession with few battle scars and a lot of jobs, if you're looking for one.

An unemployment rate significantly below the national rate is one reason folks are coming here — 1,000 people daily, according to Perry.

Or Even these headlines?

Religious Groups Cry Out in Opposition to Rick Perry's 'The Response' Evangelical Hate Event

Dozens of religious groups yesterday signed an objection to the evangelical prayer event The Response, organized by the American Family Association hate group, a coalition of evangelical leaders, and Texas Governor Rick Perry, and scheduled to take place at Reliant Stadium this Saturday, the Houston Chronicle reports

Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/2011/08/religious-groups-cry-out-in-opposition-to-rick-perrys-the-response-evangelical-hate-event.html#ixzz1U0BGuv5C

You mean all these lies?

http://www.americanindependent.com/194250/texas-headlines-perry-the-response-minimize-links-to-controversial-endorsers

The blog Right Wing Watch, which has been leading the charge to dig up recordings of extreme statements from Response endorsers, pointed out yesterday that the event’s website also removed the link to its “Endorsers” page. The page still exists, but there’s no mention of it elsewhere on the site.

I know, right? I looked it up the other day and something like 94% of the state is in a D4 drought. This is sixty plus days AFTER the rain prayer. Me thinks G-d changed his cell number?

my problem is not at all with prayer. My problem is Rick Perry using it as a political platform and many of the people presenting are very hard core right wing political special interest groups. Look em up from the "The Response" website. The web site used to explain who they are but after the local news here in Dallas, local FOX news believe it or not, exposed that many of the speakers and groups are more political than religious and have very extreme radical views. They took those links off of the site since the reports came out.

My Problem is most politicians do the same in one way or another. I don't care at all about Gov. Perry, I'm not a repub,not from Texas,I'm from the South Side of Chicago. We know why Mr. Obama went to Rev. Wright's church here but we don't care it's NOT why I voted for Mr. Obama. It's NOT why I wont vote for him in 2012.

I wouldn't ever vote for Romney has nothing to do with his religion, or if he uses his church for campaigning.

I HOPE for a good President for a CHANGE.

My question is if God sees all and knows all, why did he tell so many of the God fearing republicans to run for president? Being it's God wouldn't he just tell the one he really chose?

Or is it just God's sense of humor to tell them all to run? Maybe the real truth they are a bunch a fakes trying to push themselves off as the chosen one. A true Christian wouldn't make the main platform in their campaign protecting the rich at any cost to America.

Whatever happened to the church/state separation the founding fathers felt so important about that they based their government on the principle?

No one cares if you pray. But when you start saying God chose you, isn't that what a pastor suppost to say not a president?

//"We believe the core goal of the homosexual movement is to abolish the traditional, Judeo-Christian view of human sexuality, marriage and family," the group writes on its website. Opponents of the Reliant Stadium event have pointed out that the association is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.//

how can you even think things are righteous and why would hate even be relevant without a god or creator or maker? Everyone is chosen but many believe not in the One whom the Father sent. If you drink too much and every day and you keep getting wasted and someone says ," hey that is making you sick you should stop." is that judgment or someone who cares trying to tell you for your benefit. Listen everyone is welcomed and saved and everyone has sinful heart it is inherited, you know what is right and wrong and the results of sin are everywhere. How can organizations call something a hate group simply for the reason they are defining morality? gays have rights and are accepted by the majority and have peace because of Christianity and religion in this nation that been shaped by those moral foundations and many of those come from the idea of the understanding of sin and tolerance for the sick and the grace that is laden all over this nation is because of the rich roots of Jesus, most people feel the sense of the forgiveness when encountered by God the Father and when they have that encounter and humility to admit they are sinful and in need of a Savior is is passed down to our neighbors. but that does not mean the gays and groups that support a sort of false god self righteous kind of life style of morality while not calling their behavior a dysfunction of some kind like any adulterer or molester or alcoholic and/or thief we all inherited sin. that does not give the gay rights support groups the right to re define what sin is a de criminalize things like drugs and make the user victims, when all along the Word of God and God our Creator within His providence of Creation has made it clear what is poison. Sin cause death and through Christ God the Father has a plan, the Son is also the Father and offers the continued life eternal beyond where the dead bury the dead here on earth. How can you all keep judging religion, you express hate for christians and then support the groups that call these type of gatherings "hate". By putting you in charge where would the love and tolerance be, where is your moral compass? You fail to recognize the Lord and fail to see that by judging the error of christians or religious type people you are condemning yourselves, because you are aware then of what "righteousness" should look like yet you admit you follow not god or a religion. it is sad how obvious these things become for your hardened hearts and blindness you a re missing the really good stuff we see when we choose to willingly admit sin and accept God and His salvation through the Christ and we on the internal parts of our lives and within the body of Christ see the compassion and great love of the Lord and the forgiveness and the expressions of faith that the media will not share with people as it caters to a secularized public bent on its decadence and its self absorption and it keeps feeding you a half truth lie which ultimately that wide road will lead to destruction and death. Jesus is the only door and surely this type of depth , this salvation and the morality may never fully be able to be legislated by a denomination alone or by political party force, but Christ is for real and many witnesses testify to what the Father Our Maker does through Christ and the Spirit all one, dont be absent from God on that inevitable day approaching tragedy we all must face someday. Find his grace and truth and be forgiven and then you may see when born again of the Spirit, wise people still seek Him.

Barabas,

You are so deeply deluded. Your Jesus is crafted from pagan sun god mythology. It is you who is lost. I am no longer tolerant of your evil religion as I used to be. This delusion is actually harmful to society. I actually find it disgusting.

No astro-projection for you! You have defamed the Sun Gods (and I don't mean Speaker Boehner!).

Yes, here we go with the shame-based theology again . We are all so sinful[whatever that means] and need to be saved. Then god came up with another plan. I'll send someone [son] to take the heat so they won't have to . So someone has to be murdered to pay this ransom. What a god ! requires someone to die and suffer so you and I can be O.K. What a crock. I'm glad I left this crazy religion behind a long time ago my life is so much better and i'm in better company most of the time.

Pray all you want-in private. Don't shove it down my throat.

I hear the hiking in the Appalacians is nice,...

That made absolutely no sense. You might want to try and be a little more...oh i don't know...silent?

but it was an entertaining, incoherent rant, however!

well, incoherent anyway

Sounds like most evenings on Murdock's Criminal Syndicate News Network.

Actually, I think you are reading different articles than I am...but that is obvious from your description. I guess you have first hand knowledge of all this or you wouldn't know all the details...lol. If you get any rashes better get them checked out.

Of course, perhaps you might be a tad biased yourself and making up a load of stuff to be insulting. I am not sure which at this point...lol.

SHEILA Did you read it?The Bible tells you to pray with others. Jesus prayed with the masses as well as in private. The Bible told YOU not to judge people God will take care of that for you.

The bible is a bunch of fairytales...If you ask me, Perry praying to the invisible God makes him look just as crazy as a tea bagger believing that the Republican party works for the people.

VIPP-- A little bit farther down this page you pretend to know God and the Bible which side are you on?

Jesus was for the poor.

The republican party platform is everything to never raise taxes on the rich to the detriment of the poor.

How does a christian republican combine those two thoughts in their heads?

Time4Truth, I will have you know that just because someone doesn't believe in organized religion/your God doesn't mean that they haven't studied it or know it. I was made to believe that I would be sent to hell for 18 years of my life for the doubt I felt inside. Finally I grew up and realized that I wasn't crazy...but that everyone else in the church was.

Vipp

You do not have to defend yourself. Everyone has the right to believe or not whatever they want. Many believe in the Bible, I believe that it is a good guide but not the end all be all. The bible was written by men and editedby the catholic church for content and the catholic church decided what would and would not be included. There are 18 years of Jesus life not mentioned in the bible, was he never a teenager? All done and decided on by men in the name of God not by the word of God. At the time the catholic church ruled the world for the most part, burning people at the stake and killing and conquering countries all in the name of God. Go figure...

Robert,

Thanks for the support and great points!

Vipp, I certainly do read it. Jesus said we are to keep our prayers simple and private. Their is power in a group praying for a cause as in a prayer chain, but I am pretty sure He was aware of the hypocisy of the Pharisees. We are here to glorify the Lord, not to draw atteniton to ourselves.

Ahmen, sister.

Run with an enraged mob after his ass...oh yeah.

Tom Strange

I am not a W fan but I have to say he was 50 times a better governor than Perry. W worked both sides of the isles and got stuff done here, Perry only has to tell his GOP legislator buddies what he wants and he gets it. W was such a good Governor here I begrudgingly have to admit I voted for him in his first term for Pres, once Pres he became a Party Hardliner and "The Decider" and he was off of my list for good. Perry would not get my support, he is a shame figure head used car sells kind of grease ball.

Worked on both sides of the isles or worked both sides of the congregation for their hard earned money that is tax free for such facilities?

James,

Well said...Let me tell you how much I hate...I repeat hate...our religious right leaders in government. They are the most hypocritical people to ever walk this planet....and they know nothing about the God and Bible they claim to represent.

Not exactly sure how that applies.Is this group serving two masters?

Vipp does that include Obama or just the ones you HATE I repeat Hate. You have a lot of HATE for someone who understands the Bible so well. I missed the part about how God taught us to Hate. I'll keep reading and not Pretend to know the Bible.

time4truth,

They want you to believe they are. They want you to believe that they are serving God's purpose and are sanctioned to govern the affairs of the world you live in. They want you to believe that they and only they have the right world view.

Of course, if they ever bothered to actually read the bible they would realize that Christ would have none of this, he set the bar for serving God much higher.

Time4Truth,

To answer your first question...Yes, that includes Obama. However, I think it would be hard for you to deny that the right claims to possess a higher moral integrity at least as the Christian God would see it. And for a group that consistenly gets away with an ideology that would smack Jesus in the face if he walked this earth they deserve nothing less than hate.

See...I'm not bond by the Bible because I see it for what it is. It's a bunch of stories...fairytales if you will, that were meant to teach and guide. But to take them literally is to have lost your mind. I personally am not a hate filled man...in fact I have never been in a fight or altercation but, yes, I hate the Republican party. I don't really like the Democrat party but I hate the Republican party.

Anonymously confronting and verbally defiling others (especially by name) as a poster can be a way to be vile without the consequences of physical altercations and fights.

There are individuals who scan the posts, looking for those posts that support their (learned?) position, and add their "two cents(scents)."

Positive, non-name-calling, non-characterizing, well-researched and thought-out responses--on the other hand--could lead to enlightenment.

Yeah, but what type of "Christians"!! LOL

Opps, it looks like it must be the type Navyvet98 belongs too!

NavyVet, Mark is correct. Bryan Fischer, radio talk show host for American Family Association, has written this: “The First Amendment was written by the Founders to protect the free exercise of Christianity.”

But the Constitution also says:

Separation of Church and State.....

HEY TOO FUNNY Where does the constitution say that? I've never seen it there, you must have a different copy.

Nowhere in the constitution is there mentioned a separation of Church & State. The FIRST AMENDMENT however does state " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"....

Johnny--Do you have a PROBLEM with gays?