Alright Navy, I'll play along - name two or three things he can actually do to create jobs.

Do you think Reid and Obama should also do stuff, or just Boehner?

Three Cheers for the enormous victory on behalf of the tea baggers!

They effectively settled for HALF of what the President offered them…

WHOO HOO!!!

Now that's what I call success! lmao

The debt ceiling issue is behind us. Now lets get on with the campaigns. The tea bagger in my district voted for the Ryan bill, the cut the crap and balance bill, and against raising the debt ceiling. Can't wait to expose him for all the things he's against: like seniors, women, children, minorities, Planned Parenthood, unions, and the list goes on.

I would love to hear what would pass for "success" from the old gal, but sadly I suspect she has no actual idea.

do wonder, in her mind is this some kind of victory for Obama and the dems? Is this what they had in mind way back in 1/09? I think it is not.

Have fun "exposing" all those government programs. The more you push that type of thing, the more actual exposure will occur. Se people will start to ask how much each of those programs costs, and what benefit they provide.

And that Ron is exactly the type of analysis us conservatives want. Cause the next level of inquiry will invariably be cost effectiveness/cost efficiency.

Oh my goodness, we are headed straight to discussions about cost effeciancies and governmental programs. If ever there was a libbie nightmare I cannot think of what it would be.

Go Ron. Saddle up and ride hard. We are counting on you.

Alright Navy, I'll play along - name two or three things he can actually do to create jobs.

Do you think Reid and Obama should also do stuff, or just Boehner?

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Answer - just Boehner because during the President's entire term the GOP leader has clearly said that the President's focus nor the Dems focus has been on jobs and that the GOPs would be job focused when they were ushered into power in the House. So no, just Boehner. He is the only one focused according to his own words.

So how did this vote on raising the debt ceiling and lowering the deficit occur? The Republicans clearly stated their goals, and they stuck to their beliefs, their values, and their promise. Many new Republicans in Congress won an election on reigning in the wasteful Washington spending, and instead of forgetting that promise the moment they walked in the doors of Congress, they remembered their promises to the taxpayer and to the country. The Republicans were unwavering. They staked out their goals, communicated why those goals where important to the public, and stuck to their beliefs and promises when the going got tough.

Why did the Democrats and Obama fail? At first they ignored the Republicans. The Republicans said the debt ceiling would be in play and conditions would be put on raising it all the way back in January. The Democrats ignored that fact. Obama instead submitted a budget with $1.65 TRILLION in deficit spending for FY2012. The Democrats obviously didn't understand why they lost the mid-term elections. The GOP passed a FY2012 budget in the House, one that reduced spending and reformed entitlements. The Democrats mocked it. The Senate voted down Obama's FY2012 budget 0-97, Obama gave up on submitting another. The Democrats instead of leading and coming up with their own plans just mocked and ridiculed the GOP. They demagogued of the GOP plans and even won a House seat or two in special elections. Not having a plan was the plan for the Democrats.

In the end, Obama failed. When he had to come up with a plan late in the game, he couldn't commit to one. Because Obama has no core values his plan kept changing, and time ran out. In the end, the GOP, Speaker Boehner and Minority Leader McConnell put together the plan that was passed by Congress and will be signed by Obama.

The GOP has shown true leadership and vision for the country. This vote was just a first step, many more will follow.

name two or three things he can actually do to create jobs.

Spanky,

You should ask the Speaker that question. He was the idiot that made the statement, not Navy. Get it bro? Just like he and his colleauges have been saying since November 2010 - it's all about jobs - what they failed to mention is it's about the cyphoning of jobs from the American economy.

The solution is to Raise Revenue, cut defense spending and spend baby spend to get our infrastructure re-built, and the people back to work.

FDR did and so can the current leaders, if they have the will.

All this chaos wouldn't have happened if we just had built high-speed trains paid for with funds from an infrastructure bank.

Many new Republicans in Congress won an election on reigning in the wasteful Washington spending.

Correction: These people are Tea Bagger terrorist that are so illiterate as far as economics is concerned.

FDR did do something like that Job1, but those days are long gone. This here is the Tea Party era, or as Johnny Alter said - the beginning of the age of austerity.

Besides Greece and Europe is in collapse. IF giant governemt infusions of cash were the answer, then them PIIGS would be flying, not dying.

So as we begin the austerity phase, how exactly does the government create jobs? It has no money, and even your beloved dems just signed off on no new taxes.

One thing I suggest is to call off the EPA, it's wrecking trucking, and so many industries. Now they want to slap new Ozone restrictions. How very 1970's.

Estimates are that the new regs will kill [that means END] millions of existing jobs.

Sounds like a great idea, right gang?

navy, I'm with spanky except, name 2 or 3 things he can do to create private sector jobs. We already have too many government jobs.

Say Job1 how do you define economic literacy?

Are you more economically literate than me?

In what way my man? How many courses in economics, accounting and taxation have you had?

Please give us a definition, so we all know where you are coming from. I mean, who doesn't love a blanket accusation like you just made?

job1, the real solution is to get the government OUT of the way. This has nothing to do with getting more revenue. Reduce the government. It has gotten 22% bigger under Obama. Repeal those job killing regulations Obama signed into law at the end of 2010, remove the uncertianty in the private section AND stop calling for the heads of the job creators because they make more money than you.

Spanky: Estimates are that the new regs will kill [that means END] millions of existing jobs

Obama's choice of one his top economic advisers, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, has already started the killing with the elimination of 34,000 US jobs and the creation of 24,000 overseas jobs.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/21/obama-picks-jeffrey-immel-ge-jobs-overseas_n_812502.html

Market is currently DOWN 151 points. Let's see how it finishes.

And then, Congress, let's hear some REAL ideas about jobs. Because we're in big trouble.

JoAnna:

Obama's choice of one his top economic advisers, GE's Jeffrey Immelt, has already started the killing with the elimination of 34,000 US jobs and the creation of 24,000 overseas jobs.

What? You have to go on vacation now?

I see.

Well, certainly, you've earned it.

Say Job1 how do you define economic literacy?

Job, and many like him, probably have a similar background in economics just like Contessa Brewer of MSNBC and Don Lemon of CNN.

Contessa Brewer, graduate from Syracuse University's Newhouse School of Public Communications, was sparring about economics with Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, who graduated from Duke University in three years with a double major in political science and economics (highest honors in economics). Brooks later graduated from the University of Alabama School of Law in 1978. Contessa of course was losing the argument with Rep Brooks about her questions regarding the economy and in frustration she interrupted Mr. Brooksto exclaim "Do you have adegree in economics!!" to which Mr. Brooks replied, "Yes, and with honors". Ooh, bad moment on live tv Contessa.

And then there is Don Lemon of CNN questioning Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. Mr. Lemon, with a degree in broadcast journalism from Brooklyn College ($5000/year tuition, so you know it's a good school), was questioning Senator Paul about the complexities of the Debt Ceiling deal. Mr. Lemon kept interrupting Senator Paul, also known as Dr. Rand Paul, graduate of Duke University School of Medicine, where he earned his Doctor of Medicine (M.D.) degree, with Leftwing talking points while demanding that Senator/Dr. Paul not use any talking points of his own. Mr. Lemon of course came off as bitter and unitelligent. Dr. Paul finally realized he was dealing with an idiot and just gave up on the interview.

We certainly have many left-wing activists in the "news" departments of our media. They must think their Broadcast and Communication Degrees give them special powers and knowledge, but then they look the fools when trying to talk down people that are obviously much more superior to them.

Market is currently DOWN 151 points. Let's see how it finishes.

Good thing you've got that 'comfy' mattress! ;o)

The projection is the debt ceiling deal will cost 1.8 million jobs in 2012...

The Economic Policy Institute, a top nonpartisan think tank, estimates that the deal struck this weekend to raise the nation’s debt limit will end up costing the economy 1.8 million jobs by 2012. Today the Senate is expected to approve the package passed yesterday by the House and send it to President Obama. But while the unemployment rate remains above 9 percent, the deal does nothing to address chronic joblessness.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08/02/285599/report-debt-ceiling-deal-will-cost-1-8-million-jobs-in-2012/

The hits on the working poor just keep on rolling...

*sigh*

Job, and many like him, probably have a similar background in economics just like Contessa Brewer of MSNBC and Don Lemon of CNN.

JS1 - for someone who had to take the GED three times before passing, really shouldn't be dissing ANYONE with a college degree...

If I'm not mistaken, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity & the rest of the right wing 'mental midgets' never made it out of college!

You're *grasping* honey...

The Economic Policy Institute, a top nonpartisan think tank, estimates that the deal struck this weekend to raise the nation’s debt limit will end up costing the economy 1.8 million jobs by 2012.

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The Economic Policy Institute is a lefty liberal union stooge organization. Just check out its Board. Absolutely zero credibility.

http://www.epi.org/pages/board/

Now, is GOP congress going to talk about jobs.......I don't think so. GOP/TB congress has shown clearly that they are more of protesters instead of governing legislators. Watch out for the spanner throwers to find another irrelevant topic/ideas to hang on instead talking about jobs.

This whole debt debate has been a complete show of shame that wasted time, tax payers money and a total misplaced priority. Debt ceiling needed to be passed but not at this cost. Common sense need to prevail in governance and not line drawing in the sand by some illiterate legislators among them, a congressman who will not pay his child support.........what?

million are jobless and this guys are their fighting for the GE'S, oil giants, wall street who do not care for anybody but for themselves. Idiots.

Hi Feisty,

I will never accuse the Republican-Tea Baggers Terrorist as being at the head of the class in smarts. I mean, look at their hero's such as Palin, W.Bush, Beck and Bachmann.

Now, there is a group of rocket scientist for you.

I mean, look at their hero's such as Palin, W.Bush, Beck and Bachmann

I hear you Job1 - it's not surprising they prefer to keep their base stuck on stupid...

The Teapublican party would be history if people knew the truth!

If I'm not mistaken, Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity & the rest of the right wing 'mental midgets' never made it out of college!

Scott Walker, neither, which is probably why he hates teachers so much.

One step towards creating jobs for America's unemployed is to get legislation passed which would make the E-Verify program mandatory for all U.S. employers. This would begin to open up the 8 million jobs currently held by illegal alien workers.

For those bring up what we can do for jobs see my poat #3 below.

Job 1

"I mean, look at their hero's such as Palin, W.Bush, Beck and Bachmann"

I bet you, this line up will make the founding fathers cringe.

Hi Navy,

So true.

Well...I see now that the debt crisis has been averted for now, Obama is heading out on the campaign trail! I bet he couldn't wait to get out there. He must have had a bit of cabin fever with having to work on the weekend and especially with his approval number at only 43% he will be mighty busy apologizing and kissing ass to every liberal progressive he threw under the bus.

I just published this as an article on the 'Vine. It's also an appropriate post in this thread:

How to Deal with Debt, Deficits and Save SS and Medicare

In a very short time, the issue of the national debt, the budget deficits, and presumably a real budget for 2011-2012 will be back before Congress. As long as the rabid unelected masters of the right wing, folk such as Grover Norquist and the Heritage Foundation, among others, are excluded from the process, it may be possible to sanely deal with the issues without yet another conservative-manufactured "crisis."

One of the leading issues is changing so-called "entitlements," Social Security and Medicare. "Entitlements" is actually a pejorative that suggests people are getting something for free from the taxpayers. That, of course, is false. The public has paid into trust funds for these programs and have earned the right to the benefits - but some on the right deny an obligation to either Social Security or Medicare.

The reason for concern is that since the 1960's, the Treasury has been borrowing from the programs' trust funds, and as older persons are replaced with fewer younger workers, the revenues coming to the programs dwindles. But repaying the trillions owed to these funds would guarantee their solvency. And there are ways to honor that obligation.

First, isolate that portion of the debt incurred to pay for the last decade of wars. Take the example of Great Britain at the time of the American Revolution, when that country ran up a war debt proportionately larger than that the U.S. has incurred since 2002. A "sinking fund" dedicated specifically to retiring that debt was created and while it took the U.K. many decades to ultimately retire the debt - in part because only 10 years later the U.K. was back at war on the Continent for another 25 years - it did so and preserved its credit rating and low interest reuirements.

Today the U.S. would have to establish a specific set-aside levy to fund and sustain this debt-reduction account. And it probably would be a major part of tax reforms that include added revenues from corporations that today pay NOTHING in U.S. taxes as well as a portion of any upper-level marginal rate increase on the top 2% of individuals.

And note that a substantial share of the debt involved came from "loans" made out of the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.

Some readjustment of tax policies affecting mainly middle-class households is inevitable. The right often repeats a remark about nearly half of the country's household paying "no taxes" - marginally factual, but actually disingenuous. Here's a bit of what Politifact.com said about that remark:

Estimates by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center project that for tax year 2011, 46.4 percent of households won’t have any income tax liability. However, of this number, 28.3 percent will pay payroll taxes, the center projects. Of the remaining 18.1 percent with neither income nor payroll tax liability, 10.3 percent are elderly and 6.9 percent are not elderly but have incomes lower than $20,000. In other words, all but a tiny sliver of Americans without either income tax or payroll tax liability are either elderly or poor.

According to economist Joseph Stiglitz, the reduced paryoll tax and the cuts for the wealthiest Americans have not significantly affected the economy. He reports that the money has gone into savings, after the shock of the 2008 collapse. That money has not circulated to help stimulate the economy, as hoped. Part of "tax reform" should eliminate both reductions - the so-called Bush tax cuts, and the reduction of the payroll tax.

In addition, some changes in the tax codes will have to eliminate some of the deductions, or reduce them, that all taxpayers now enjoy. The mortgage deduction is a lalusible target - not necessarily for elimination, but modification. Mortgage deductions should be revised to occur on a sliding scale - say, below $100,000 outstanding mortage, no change; above that amount a graduated scale that ultimately eliminates the deduction entirely for mortgages above, say $350,000. A few years ago that would have included far more taxpayers than it will today. This sort of change is reduction of a "tax expenditure" rather than a tax incease.

U.S. tax codes now allow corporations to "offshore" their earnings and pay no taxes at all on them. Google, for example, is hiding literally billions by doing its banking in Ireland. This is a practice that must be eliminated.

One of the most scandalous aspects of the tax code is how it encourages outrageous compensation packages and bonuses for corporate executives, bankers and stock traders, and others. Realigning capital gains levies as well as levies on excessive compensation packages will go far to end that scandal, and promote much healthier management of businesses.

And eventually, the U.S. is going to return to economic recovery. In fact, cutting spending that stimulates the economy is an appalling concept. But if in the same situation as a national concern over debt and deficit the country chooses to invest in the economy and promote job growth along with economic growth - and yes, it is proven that such measures work, despite the falsehoods some put out - then that investment should be recaptured in the course of recovery. Much like the "sinking fund" for war debt, a special account in the Treasury should be set aside specifically to retire stimulus debt. A set-aside of increased revenues generated by recovery is one means of doing so.

It is quite possible to attack the nation's deficits and debt, intelligently, over time. But someone has to kick the rigid ideologues out of the conference room where the effort is put together.

For additional discussion of debt and deficits, see the following article:

http://langewinckler.newsvine.com/_news/2011/05/16/6654905-russian-roulette-saner-than-gop-debt-stand

JoAnnaSmith1 - is that the same Dr. Rand who will not take the oral exam to become fully board certified? Whowser, no way would I let a doctor who was not fully board certified touch me, how could you trust an eye surgeon who is not fully board certified? Not me, God only gave me two eyes and since I'm a working person I doulbt I'd do well without them. Rand is a fraud, no way do I trust him. I've been working in medicine for over 25 years and one thing I know for sure - doctors who are not fully board certified are considered the "doc in the box" at the insurance company (the devil's spawn) or the small town, unequiped, understaffed ER.

Job1 said,

I will never accuse the Republican-Tea Baggers Terrorist as being at the head of the class in smarts.

Well don't look now Ace, but those "repubilcan-tea baggers terrorist" took " the smartest President we have every had" or my personal favorite "the only adult in the room" and made him fold faster than a cheap lawn chair!!

Board certified in what speciality Union Baby?

Union Baby, do yo even know what that means? Do you have any idea how many doctors are not board certified. I dare you to ask your GP.

Too funny Union Baby. Thanks for the chuckle.

Hey, job1 you don't seem to have answered my question: What is your definition of economic literacy? Oh and how come the smartest guy in the room got school by a bunch of illiterates?

If what you say is true and all the Tea Partiers are just plain stupid, it sure does not reflect so well on Obama and Reid, eh?

It sure don't, do it?

They need to pivot to getting rid of the inmates running the House and get some actual members who are their to govern instead of grand standing while padding their pockets with the government salary and pensions and healthcare.

Then perhaps the entire government can have that focus instead of dealing with people make mountains of out of mole hills and mole hills out of mountains.

You catch any of the speech, Spanky?

Obama really DOES think the voters are idiots- he's on about an "infrastructure bank"- cause folks are too dumb to know it's nothing more than another "shovel ready" jobs program.

Well, he's got a lot of bundlers who are expecting to get paid off, so he needs a chunk of change to tap.

njnbnj: You catch any of the speech

In Obama's latest speech, did he mention anything about the GOP calling his bluff?

If he did, I didn't heR it, JS1. . .

Although, clearly, they did. Turned out "going to the American people" backfired, big time.

They told Obama where to go. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Martha's Vineyard.

Once again for grins:

"Bluffy the job-slayer."

You guys & joanna are some of the most hateful and biased people. You have liberals completely wrong maybe you should actually speak with some of US and become informed on the real goals we support and why. I think you are so full of hate for this President that you can't even see past that hate. I bet you all will accept that Medicare and SS when it comes time for you to receive it if it hasn't already. You probably want "YOUR" country protected as well now don't you? If your goal was really to cut spending why didn't the GOP take the 4 Trillion $ deal?

Actually KSMITTYCT, you are pretty correct, as far as I can tell my poor little repugnant tbagger congressman was flooded with calls and e-mails to get his act together, sure hope they don't redistrict me until I can use all of his lazyness against him in the 2012 election.

Come on No Joe - where are the jobs that bush promised with the tax cuts for the mega wealthy? They sure are not in my area. I think more people are working, and they are working better jobs, but pulling yourself out of a hole that someone else dug (8 years of repugnant president + 10 years of repugnant congess - what a nightmare) is not an easy task. It takes real working class American spirit to do that, and that is something the mega wealthy really hate. So please, show me the bush tax break jobs - I have not seen one yet. I have seen a lot of jobs created by the stimulus and tarp plans, some are long term, some are short term, all are welcome as long as they don't make some mega billionaire even richer. The working class is sick of working ourselves to death to make a rich man richer, that is a fact, accept it or get over it, cause as along as you drink the poison tea, you are part of the problem.

Go Wisconsin - send a brave new message and scare the heck out of the tbaggers!

KSMITTYCT

You guys & joanna are some of the most hateful and biased people. You have liberals completely wrong

Dude (Dudette?), Welcome to First Read. I take it this is your first day, because if anyone knows exactly what the liberals on this board are all about, it is "you guys and JoAnna."

See, this is why I keep coming back, y'all Libs are really, really funny folk.

KSMITTYCY said,

You have liberals completely wrong maybe you should actually speak with some of US and become informed on the real goals we support and why.

I remember a lot of "hate for another President" and listened to you folks for 8 years and the vile things you folks said about "dubya" and that you didn't even say a word about the movie of his assassination. I could go on and on but I think you get the point or maybe just read some of Feisty's comments and you'll see all the "love" she has for her fellow Americans. So come back to reality and realize what comes around goes around... Actions speak louder than words, but I do like your plea :o)

OMG- you can't make this stuff up! First we have KSMITTYCT with:

You guys & joanna are some of the most hateful and biased people.

Followed by Union Baby's:

Actually KSMITTYCT, you are pretty correct, as far as I can tell my poor little repugnant tbagger congressman was flooded with calls and e-mails to get his act together, sure hope they don't redistrict me until I can use all of his lazyness against him in the 2012 election.

Honestly? You kids take yourselves seriously? If you're going to accuse Team Elephant of being the hateful ones, maybe you ought to hang up your own insult ammo belt first!

Amen to that Suzy!!

But then again, those liberals think they are so superior to everyone else when they can't see their own obvious shortcomings!

Uh, yeah they did that already - the Stimulus. "Shovel Ready" and all that.

But here's the rub - where is the money going to come from? There is no pot of cash sitting around, and they are scrambling and fighting over what is left right now. It's all about cutting government jobs and projects, not expanding them. Insolvency has consequences.

All the jobs, at least the first wave of infrastructure building, would be government hires, or contractors getting money from the government.

So how do we get over the initial hurdle of no start up money? Don't you think there is a reason the big brains in Congress didn't do this 6 months ago Navy?

Come on- there are simply no easy solutions. I get your call for jobs, but you have to have an actual plan.

So where does the money come from?

"So where does the money come from?"

Liberal's pat answer (for the past 75 years) : the money can come from the evil greedy rich, the billionaries who dont pay their fair share. The money is in their vaults, just sitting around.

Reality (for the past 75 years) : the money comes from still-higher confiscatory taxes on productive middle class citizens to give to unproductive inefficient pork barrel wasteful government boondoggles.

Simple Spankster!. Some of it comes from the reformation of the Tax Code...Some of it comes from those who sat behind their desks got wealthy by creating "new and exciting" products like credit default swaps and collaborated debt obligations. You know those derivative thingys! Perhaps the congress and the president just might change the rules to create incentives for manufacturers to actually make things in this country as opposed to shipping jobs overseas. In short Spanky we have become a country that glorifies paper pushers like "wall street investment bankers, accountants, and lawyers as opposed to engineers, teachers and builders. Whose side are you on?

Bob: Liberal's pat answer (for the past 75 years) : the money can come from the evil greedy rich, the billionaries who dont pay their fair share. The money is in their vaults, just sitting around.

And on Jan01/2013, the Democrats will get their wish and return to their Gold Standard of taxes, the Clinton Era Tax Rates. That will bring in about $450 billion more in taxes a year, minus the amount deducted because so many people are unemployed, and most of that money, about $350 billion, coming from the middle-class.

And if that's not enough money for Obama, he'll just call up his friends in China and float a loan, they have lots of money.

where does the money come from?

Oh, I don't know, maybe obama can take another page from the Bush playbook and take the cost of the wars back off the books. That would be almost a couple trillion right there.

You got it Navy, targeted spending for the thousands of joint public and private construction efforts for roads, bridges, power grids, clean energy plants. Re-authorize the FAA so that the already approved and under construction airport projects can continue--94,000 jobs right there.

The GOP has blocked, obstructed and voted down job-creating legislation many times since 2009, in the name of the deficit but yet they were unwilling to raise taxes on the richest 2%, close tax loopholes and "socialist" corporate welfare subsidies to help raise revenues to invest in the country. Penny wise, pound foolish. Serious about the deficit, not really.

If we want to reduce the deficit and debt now and in the future, the best way is through targeted spending to create jobs. For every government funded job, another 6 private support jobs are created. The more employed we have, the lower the deficit and eventually the debt. Anyone who ever took economics in high school should understand that. It's a take on an old saying, you have to spend money to make money.

So, let me get this straight-

We just went through this debt ceiling nightmare, cutting less spending than moat people wanted, and Obama and his cult members are going to start calling for ANOTHER stimulous package?

You think calling it a "bank" is going to fool anybody at all?

You think his numbers are bad now? Let him try that retread out on the campaign trail. He is not getting any more money to pay off his donors- no way, no how. In fact, some of those bundlers are hedging their bets. Steve Westly bundled half a million last time- and got half a billion for "green jobs",( thirteen, in fact). This time, he only bundled two hundred grand- I guess he realizes that if by some strange stretch Obama got re elected, there would be less tax money coming his way.

Obama is going to find his new employment in the lucrative field of paid speakers. Good for all of us- only those who want to hear him will be subjected to his drivel. Oh, and he won't be able to do any more damage to the economy.

Big win for America.

Obama shelved in 2012.

Well said, Torpedo You!

Easy Torpedo - I'm on the side of private enterprise, the creators, employers, and most importantly, the tax payers.

But tell us, what incentive can yo articulate that can be implemented to create manufacturing jobs?

Something that will not run afould of the NLRB.

Jody and Navy - let's try it again: Where will all that money come from?

Jody and Navy - let's try it again: Where will all that money come from?

Easy, Raise Revenue.

Raise taxes? On everyone right? I don't need mine higher thank you! Oh heck, for giggles Corky, how much did you pay in taxes so far this year?

Job11 - even Obama gets that's no longer possible.

You are so economically literate, you must have an actual solution, right?

Economics, like presidentin' is hard, right Job1?

I see the selfish single-minded drones are out in mass today.

Just about every economist agrees that one of the best and fastest way out of this mess is to create Jobs. Jobs generate revenues both at the federal level and State Level. They reduce the claims for UI, Food Stamps and Medicaid. All things that lower the deficit. Also these jobs have a multiplier effect as people have more money in their pocket so they by more goods from local merchants which in turn hire more people to handle the demand for their goods and services.

This does not happen by waving a magic wand. It takes a targeted Jobs Bill which sets it up and the proper funds to see it to completion. The money spent now keeps coming back year after year as these people keep working and spending and the economy keeps growing.

Sitting on your A$$ doing nothing and pretending Spending Cuts is the only thing to do is pure stupid BS. It will not work and may make things worse.

Taxes may also have to go up. You can start with the Hedge Fund Managers and the 40 or 50 richest people and make them pay their full share instead of 15%. This would generate over 50-60 Billion right there that would have paid for the Infrastructure Bill. Dump the tax loopholes and incentives to Big Business and the Oil Companies - another 40-50 Billion.This is what President Obama wanted to do with his Infrastructure Bill. It was 100% paid for. Get rid of the tax cuts to the richest 2% another 150 Billion PER YEAR by increasing their income taxes, capital gains and estate taxes to Clinton Levels. Right now the costs are 69 Billion for the income tax side and 81 Billion for capital gains and Estate taxes. That is 150 Billion per year right there alone.

Look, theonly way this works is with Spending Cuts and Increased Revenues. There is no reputable economist that says cuts alone will fix all the problems.

So Navy,

These government jobs that you want created. Of course they will be jobs only for union laborers right? No need to answer we already know the answer to that question.

So now we know that there will massive cost overruns. We also know that the jobs will NOT be completed when the contract specified

And last of all, we now know that whatever job it is, it will have to be redone by a private company in about a year, resulting in even more cost to the taxpayer.

Yep sounds like a good way to create jobs and WASTE taxpayer dollars to me. Remember we tried this already, It DIDN"T WORK

What is the definition of insanity, repeating the same behaviour over and over again, but expecting different results. We have to stop the insanity, by both parties

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So Navy,

These government jobs that you want created. Of course they will be jobs only for union laborers right? No need to answer we already know the answer to that question.

You are a liar. I did not say anything about "GOVERNMENT JOBS" so stop trying to put words in my mouth. If you knew anything at all instead of being a walking drone I was talking about Infrastructure Jobs - Private Jobs.

Show me where in my post I said anything about "Public Jobs".

You may be able to get away with lying about somebody else but not with me. You have been exposed as a tea bagger - Thanks for playing

Another tea bagger that either cannot read or just outright lies. Which is it???????

Hi Navy,

They are a pretty slow bunch.

I feel like a school teacher who has a class full of the class dummies that can’t or want understand simple economics. I tell you these Republican- Tea Bagger AAA terrorist are so illiterate as far as the subject is concerned. Of course their leader who used to be President was in the same boat.

Wasn't the stimulus supposed to do that with the shovel ready jobs that "Weren't so shovel ready. Ha Ha." His laugh not mine. Why will this be any different???

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

For starters they can pass the Infrastructure Bill that the GOP/TP blocked in the Senate. Except this time make it bigger.

Good grief Navy, 'make it bigger this time?' How big do you want your shovel to be? We need more spending? Isn't thaty how we got in this mess during the past 2.5 or so years?

I see the selfish single-minded drones are out in mass today.

They are NavyBoy, and you head the list for drones. Your compatriots from the Progressive Fan Club still don't get it, do you? The Spending Party is almost dead on arrival in this next election, and you can spin the achievements of the liberal groups all you wish to. You have approximately 15 months to try to spin the lies into truth, but you and your libbie friends will have great difficulty attempting to control the masses to your logic.

The truth is, the Elephant is winning over the donkey mentality. Barry O, RockStar and the progressive element has made people aware that government serves the population, the population doesn't serve big government.

NavyBoy, you seem to have an answer for everything. Perhaps you should run for a seat in the Senate. You'll fit in with Harry, Dickie and the amazing Chuckie (Fanny and Freddie are solvent) Schumer. You can be the 4th Stooge.

Oh, did you receive your disability check deposit to you account over the weekend NavyBoy? That was prior to the crisis vote guy.........Still want to cause fear with that position? It's OK to tell everyone you bought into the liberal line and lied to the communtiy. Go on NavyBoy, admit you helped to spread the fear. Everyone already knows you are a windbag.

Navy - What is the identifier of the Infrastructure Bill you are referring to, so I can look up what the bill covers and the cost involved?

Also, is this similar to the jobs that were created by the Stimulas package? I am not judging, but as an observation in the area of the country where I live. I did not observe any result, positive or negative, in the economy or the job market as a result of stimulas funded projects.

I agree with you, dangerfield. I have said in the past that I would have had serious disagreements with a Hillary Clinton administration- as many, if in different areas, as I would have had with a McCain administration.

I'm pretty certain the country would be in far better shape than under this incompetent administration.

Bingo, Dangerfield, re hillary and what is next to be given away!

Except, the problem with the HCR debacle wasn't that it was done, but that it was the second, most egregious example of Obama trying to make something more palatable for people who were screaming in his face that they weren't going to even take a nibble.

I voted for Clinton in our primaries, she would have had the cajones to bop Boehner in the head! Maybe another Clinton could have helped to create another surplus of $7 Trillion over 10 years!

Reality check, a President Hillary Clinton would have faced the same obstructionist tactics as President Obama has. Or have you forgotten the enormous amount of time and tax payer money spent by republicans investigating the Clintons for 8 solid years? That is wishful thinking, dangerfield. President Clinton, and his wife is a great deal like him, signed NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, made massive cuts in medicare without a peep of objection from democrats. Clinton compromised with republicans for all those things he did, he especially compromised on medicare cuts.

I like Hillary Clinton but am a realist and this is not about which democrat won the presidency; in the minds of the republicans, it is about the fact that any democrat won the presidency--simple, easy to understand fact. It isn't WHO won, it is that a "D" won.

Jody,

Hillary KNEW what and WHO she was dealing with and is an EXPERIENCED hand who had her husband's 8 years to draw upon. A realist doesn't discount reality. It IS about which democrat is president. President Obama made a fatal tactical mistake in taking on HCR that is the reason why we didn't focus on the ECONOMY and JOBS.

President Clinton wouldn't have split the party over health care reform as her first act when she had control of both houses, and that is reality. The democrats would not have suffered an historic mid-term election defeat and we would NEVER have reached the ridiculous heights/depths of the debt "crisis"

You're an apologist, not a realist, at least when it comes to the failures of this administration...

You people are silly, Hillary could not have done any better, the Congress is why Obama is having problems getting things done, it only takes one member of Congress to stop the progress of legislation, they have taken various procedural tricks way past the level of what they were meant to be used, the fake filibuster is invoked on a near daily basis, to have an effective Congress you have to have honest Congress persons with some integrity and morals that want to do what's best for the country, not many of the current gaggle on the hill fit into that category.

W-

Guess you don't remember having super-majorities in the house and senate back in 2008...HCR was passed without a SINGLE republican vote, so an infrastructure bank, jobs program, tax reform and deficit reduction, could all have been passed INSTEAD of HCR...

This President could have embraced his own debt commission...but he failed to do that...

Dangerfield the Dem's had a super-majority in little blue blocks on the TV screen, but you know as well as I that after you take in to account the blue dog faux Dem's and various other wanna-be repub fence setters that were masquerading as Dem's there was in reality, congressional voting reality anyway, no Dem super-majority, ever.

Ooohh, dangerfield...

You're cutting dangerously close to the First Read bone with these remarks.

First Read is about President Obama...not about the principles of the Democratic Party, or liberal principles in general.

Even Steny Hoyer is saying the President should have gone to the mat for Bowles-Simpson.

They may question your Democratic Party loyalty, dangerfield...

Let's see them question Hoyer's as well.

Coulda shoulda woulda you'd still find fault!

C'mon MB, too predictable.

you're better than that...aren't you?

Rebut, rick.

YOU'RE better than that, I hope.

Did Hoyer say it...or not?

Question is...

Can you rebut...or not?

They may question your Democratic Party loyalty, dangerfield...

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MB-

Even though I'm more an indy now, I know that must be your gentle sarcastic wit...

rick,

[C'mon MB, too predictable.] [you're better than that...aren't you?]

No, he's not...always quick to ask a question, but ohhhhhhh soooooo sloooooooooooooooooooow to answer one....much like Spanky...hmmmm...quite the bromance those two have going on.

lol, Mickey-

You and Feisty...

Like minds.

That's very faint praise, indeed...

Isn't it, Mick...?

Oops...

Another difficult question...

My apologies, Mickey.

I also am in favor of Mrs. Clinton stimulating the economy. Remember how she turned a simple $1K investment into $100K almost overnight! Imagine what she could do to the remaining US Dollars in the Treasury.

Mixed,

Prove me wrong...

...you won't...

...because you can't...

Are you here to debate, or are you here to vomit emotional, ideological talking points? I understand you don't know what's really going on, much like the rest of us, but for God's sake, stop trying to fake it...it makes you look...well...FAKE.

Apparently some people choose to ignore fact or are unaware that all those corporate tax loopholes--corporate welfare is a nice term for it--tax breaks for special interests such as farm subsidies, oil subsidies are "socialist". Schools, fire and police departments, highways, interstates, bridges are all socialist. They are good socialism because everyone benefits from them and everyone helps pay for them.

Boehner, Cantor and McConnell..."YEA", "YEA" and "YEA".

But it's not their fault, right?

Brutus...STILL an honorable man!

Moody's and S&P to congress that we need to make $4T of cuts over the next 10 years or face a downgrade. You libs should be very proud.

We are proud. If you remember back a few days ago, the $4 Trillion deal was on the table and the GOP refused it. Not the liberals my friend, the GOP. So stick your comment up your a$$ where it belongs. Dumb a$$.

What exactly is the definition of a marxist liberal?

Yeah, I take exception to that statement. I am happy to be a Terrorist as Joe Biden states I am.

job1, you must be in that field. Do you think that "infrastructure" is the only work that Americans do?

Infrastructure jobs means money in people's pockets which leads to demand, sonmanvb, in all other areas of work.

Lucious

I don't know any ones educational background but my own, so first of all I'm a Certified Public Accountant, who minored in Economics and worked in banking as an Accounting Policy Analyst. Now that that's out o the way, the only way for a struggling economy to rebound without private sector jobs is through government expenditure, I'm sure many of you are aware of the multiplier effect, for every dollar the government puts into the economy you gain at least 2x in overall expenditures. Furthermore, for all you Flat tax or sales tax believers both methods put a disproportionate tax burden on the middle class and poor, who spend the dollars just to subsist, while the rich invest or park their cash offshore to avoid taxation on investment income. Trickle down does not work never has never will.

And as far as the small business are concerned many do not have taxable income over a million dollars and the tax increase is marginal, meaning that every dollar over, say $250,000 is taxed at the higher rate not the whole million.

So what's the answer sonmanvb? Keep coddling corporations that don't want to help this country and hope they change their minds and do the right thing?Since the supreme court decided corporations have the same rights as "persons" only seems fair and just they pay taxes at the same rate other persons do, why should they receive any special treatment concerning taxation since they are just one of the guys now?

Kevin I don't think anyone thinks the bill just passed stops deficit spending or balances the budget, including the President, nor has anyone stated that it was supposed to do such. It would have came closer to your rather lofty goal if the Republicans would not have rejected the 4 trillion dollar plan Obama offered. Anyway you could pose all those questions to any politician Dem or Repub and the answers you get would be about the same, fact is it took a long time to acquire the national debt and it will take a long time to get rid of it.

Hey W

I agree with what you say, except the part about the $4trillion. That leaves out a lot of details and factual information. But that doesn't mean that we should not demand to know the answers to the questions I think Mr. Obama should be asked. The same questions should be asked of his opponent(s). And we should judge each of them in accordance with their abilities to come up with concrete solutions. But, so far, Mr Obama has not given any answers and has not proposed any solutions. And he is the one currently at the helm.