Geez you're gullible "letsdance" do you believe for one moment that Boehner was going to agree to any deal with the president? What goal post? Boehner never intended to get rid of the corporate loopholes and subsidies, it was pure theatrics from both sides - Washington Kabuki dancing...

Double-dealing and eating their own. What else is new?

Letsdance, the posts here are reflective of the general population and unfortunately also of the Congress. That 's why we have this stalemate. Those in Congress are more interested in the politics and not in governing.

So Reid can't get the votes.

Boehner can't either, and even if he did President "Bluffy the job Slayer" says he'd veto it anyway.

President "have no plan of my own" also believes that the world ends absent a deal. Ok, but his bluff is getting called.

Huh, and yet he has no plan B. Shortsighted?

In fact it is only the conservatives and Tea Partiers who believe no default will occur.

So how come they are the "crazy" ones? No plan can pass, or get signed so the ceiling will not be raised, which is what the conservatives want.

Winning. :)

And the GOP/Teaturd Civil War begins.

I noticed how polling is indicating Independent voter remorse for electing the malcontent and irresponsible Tea Party candidates. Obama's call for a balanced plan is winning the political center.

The knuckle-dragging Teathugs have a limnited lifespan. Sure is fun watching their caucus put a gun to Boeher's head, forcing him to the no-compromise position. Such puppets (Chuckle)

lol-

GOP House members rally in support of Speaker Boehner, and it's described as a "Civil War".

We should see a bill on its way to the Senate shortly.

Incoming, Harry...incoming!

Take cover!

We should see a bill on its way to the Senate shortly.

Where it will die a quick death...meh

Yet another, kick it down the road, no specific cuts bill...oh joy

[“It was an unbelievable moment,” said one GOP insider. “I’ve never seen anything like it.”]

Really? Wait until President Obama invokes the 14th Amendment...they might as well have cameras rolling...Hollywood could use the footage in it's remake of "Scanners".

Here's a representative example;

If one side is in agreement on an issue, the other calls it "lock-step"

but if there is debate and disagreement, it's "civil-war"

Because a group of extremists sees the world in extremes...

Say anyone hear anything about how it's going with the dems?

They must all be so proud to take commands form the the leader in the rear, to not even try to pass a bill, to just kind of kick back and cruise.

Yep, no pressure on their side. I mean come on they only control the White House and the Senate. Everybody knows the House controls everything, and Boehner is way more powerful than Obama.

Yeah, they must all be so happy and relieved that not even Reid's plan calls for tax increases, and all they got is cuts, cuts, and more cuts.

Out singing cum-by-ah no doubt. All is good.

Be precise, Tim...

Aren't you saying...

"Where a bill raising the debt ceiling will die a quick death"?

"Oh joy"...?

I don't think so, Tim.

Let's see if the President shares your light-heartedness.

I doubt that he will.

Spanky:

In fact it is only the conservatives and Tea Partiers who believe no default will occur.

So how come they are the "crazy" ones?'

Is this what is commonly referred to as a "rhetorical" question?

Or just your idea of syllogistic logic, abbreviated?

OMG -- This has to be my favorite article of the day.

Just like Republicans in Congress get back at their own, so do investors get back at the ratings agencies who threaten to downgrade the US's credit rating:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/07/27/news/companies/thebuzz/index.htm?iid=HP_LN

And so the fun begins.

You expect me to understand your big words counselor?

I know you are calling me stupid, but since you are in the Leather today I don't care.

So take that.

Anna Molly,

This is no different than all the blood letting, name calling, and arm-twisting that went on with the Democrats during Obamacare...

Spank & AM-

I knew it wasn't over...I just knew it!

"Syllogistic"?

AM...

You siren.

Spank should be putty in your hands.

Unfortunately, and regrettably...

He's very resilient.

Resistant, too.

This is the story of King Solomon. The Democrats are willing to give the GOP/TP everything they want, and the Tea Party wants to cut the nation in half and destroy it. It is clear who truly loves our country and who does not.

Throw the Tea Party and treasonous pledge-signing Republicans out. Obama/Biden - 2012!

The stock market has dropped more than 300 points since Monday. And that's only a small sample of what's to come if the teabaggers are not stopped. Fourteenth Amendment, anyone?

Anna Molly:

While I love your "......syllogistic logic", abbreviated.", I don't think it works here. No Tea Partiers are conservative. They are crazy, they are barely functional arithmetic illiterates, they are ever so totalitarian, but they most certainly aren't conservative.

TO: Spanky- who wrote:

"... President "have no plan of my own..."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It's Congress's job to come up with "Plans", NOT the President's.

It is also written in the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution that the Congress of the United States shall not let the Country's credibility be questioned.

All of these things are Congress's job, NOT the President's.

Aww look American Girl is rocking her some Constitution.

Good for you American Girl. Now admit it, you have never read the 14th amendment.

Oh and looky at Big Bad David Walker. Dave, while I am crazy, I am both literate and functional [at least most of the time].

I am also very conservative. So really. that's all you can come up with? Cause it's just stupid. But I suspect you already know that, right big guy?

Funny though.

Dave probably wants to pound your face in, Spanky.

Ya know...

Knock some sense into you?

Make you more literate and functional...?

Like pass the Debt Ceiling, create a Jobs bill and stimulate the economy.

You think? lol

Instead we get to witness them eating their own... again...

Republican Study Committee

Talk about a oxymoron...

What do they study besides obstructionism?

I see a civil war brewing within the GOPTP. Tea Partiers are bashing the Boehner plan. Who is behind this group. Club for Growth and the Heritage Foundation. Those front and center: Jim Demint, Rand Paul and Mike Lee. All three want to see the government collapse.

National Association of Manufacturers are demanding that Boehner raise the debt ceiling. (I knew this was coming.) There are two forces in the GOP. Big money and Tea Partiers.

And we have a staffer who is attacking Republicans who support Boehner. It's looking more like a war to me and there is little doubt Boehner will lose.

The Tea Party has already promised they will run a candidate against Boehner in the next election. John its. 5:00 somewhere, Go have a beer.

Gee.... d'ya think maybe they are feeling the pressure????

Afraid they are going to have NO choice but to be led by POTUS, I think. Scrambling desperately.

Heck - they may even have to begin to actually legislate!

THe GOP/Tea Party Plan: Repeal the 20th Century

THe GOP/Tea Party Plan: Repeal the 20th Century

I like it! That is exactly right! Maybe we can repel them!

Wow Navy, did you connect the dots there! And the rest of the Progressive Fan Club couldn't wait to get behind your comments. You guys have great timing between posts.

What do you guys do, email before actually posting to the blog?

Much like we got to see (and the whole nation to see as well) the Democrats feeding on their own during the Obamacare fiasco...

Which one is it, the progressives are unified or feed on their own? It can't be both. A club, if only...

A hint, progressives are by nature independent-thinkers who allow dissent in their own Party and criticism of their own, including the POTUS. The GOP would do well to stop behaving like the Borg and start calling out their own, specifically the Tea Party anarchists. The only time Republicans become fiscally responsible is when the Dems have the majority--now also calling for an end to the wars. This unnecessary debt ceiling crisis started by Republicans may actually help them get THEIR house in order.

Otherwise it's deflection: Attack on 9-11 equals a revenge invasion of Iraq as cover for failure to capture bin Laden; Poor voodoo economics equals creating an artificial housing bubble. Which resulted in an economic meltdown equals anti-abortion laws, union-busting, and voter ID obstacles as cover for failure to create jobs. That's how weak and lame conservatives are, and deep in your dark little hearts (if you have one), you know it.

Failure to capture Bin Laden? Would you mean Clinton? Housing bubble brought on by the lax legislation introduced by Barney Frank? And yet Reid still stands there with a plan for no reform for entitlements to cut waste and fraud. Like good spendalholics you are!

Failure to capture Bin Laden? Would you mean Clinton

No, JK1963... we mean W. who pulled off the mission to get Bin Laden in order to go after his personal family enemy who had nothing to do with 9/11 - lying to Congress and the American public to justify his personal agenda - at such a GREAT COST (in both dollars AND American lives) that even today continues to take money from us and gives you guys a chance to attempt to spin the facts and blame our current President.

You mention "a plan for no reform ...to cut wast and fraud." FLASH FOR YOU: A MUCH bigger "waste and fraud" costing America is W Bush's Iraq fiasco. Let us cut waste and fraud by making Cheney pay back all the profits he & Haliburton have pocketed from no bid military contracts in Iraq.

The whole world sees through your rhetoric and talking point excuses/illogical justifications and recognizes what you guys are doing.... and so do your mothers.

I swear...it seems all you liberals just cling onto the same old tired lines... Isn't that like page 1 of the liberal owner's manual or something? So tell me...why does Obama keep requesting more and more money to keep the wars going? I mean, tell me, when is he going to have the balls enough to get out of both countries? You really need to get a new act, because this one you have been spewing is getting really old...it's like watching reruns from Johnny Carson...

You're right JK, the liberal lies are getting old! Time is running out! Haven't we heard this all before from the administration? A good crisis shouldn't be wasted.

Anything to place a good spin on Barry O while creating justification on anything by the GOP. Now the original Barry O plan was defeated by his own party. The Cap and Balance plan was tabled by Reid, and Barry O stated he would veto any proposal that didn't meet his spending needs. Oh, he would give up $2T in cuts, but from what base line?

Now the Gang of 6 have a plan to reduce the debt by capping $ at the 2011 level, reducing expense by 1% a year and creating a balanced budget ammendment. What legislator will vote for this plan that on the surface sounds logical. I'd like to hear more about it, but the liberal news media only wants to promote Obama and the Progressives, those dysfunctional folks with the "NO" who control the Senate.

As for those who want Boehner out, I agree. He has been ineffective and not strong enough to tell President Present to take a hike.

Time to remove the professional politicians and put into gov. people who understand who they work for.

If we elect people to run the government who don't believe in government, are we surprised that we end up with a dysfunctional mess?

So true Heartlight and Tommy.

Wait, what functional ad good about $4billion a day in new debt? Or $14.5 Trillion, or borrowing $.40 of every dollar spent.

Yeah, I sure hope we don't "end up with a dysfunctional mess." Cause that would really suck, right?

Because I think the closer we get to August the second, frankly, the less leverage we have vis a vis our colleagues in the Senate and the White House.

Whoops, that will cost him his job. "Colleagues in the White House?" They've spent the last 2.5 years telling us the White House was full of evil foreigners with "anti colonial" leanings. Now they are colleagues?

Thanks, Dennis. From Speaker Boehner's own lips, "if we have enough chaos..." What a fine, upstanding bunch of patriotic, country-loving legislators found their way into Congress in 2010. It should scare everyone whether right, left or center.

MCCAIN: But what is really amazing about this is that some, some members are believing that we
can pass a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution in this body [Senate] with its present representation, and that is foolish. That is worse than foolish. That is deceiving.

This could be the news story of the century. "Speaker Boehner Admits TP Seeks Economic Disaster..." News at 11.

Dennis, How are you my friend, been awhile since we posted on the same post. As for the Balanced Budget Amendment, It was last tried, I believe, in 1995 and it passed the house and fail one vote short in the senate. As you know the President does not have anything to do with a constitutional amendment, only the members of congress and ratification by 75% of the States. It could take from 1 to 7 years. We all know that the BBA will not pass in congress, so why not tell the so called "tea party" members, o.k. we will have a up or down vote on your BBA within 90 days. That would give them cover from their base, so they could say we kept our promise. Meanwhile, increase the debt ceiling by 1 Trillion for 6 months, and if congress has made substantial progress on cutting spending, reviewing the tax codes and cutting all subsidies, loop holes and other corporate tax breaks, if they have not then an automatic cut in all government programs of 20% across the board, including the defense department.

Hi Sarg,

Your facts are correct except the 1-7 years, I think. I believe the time frame for the States is set in the bill. One amendment took 105 years.

I am tired of these ceremonial cya votes by both Parties that waste time. Just do what they believe is best for the country and let the reelect chips fall where they may.

The rating agencies have already said that a small cut in spending and an increase that puts the US doing this again before 2013 would result in a downgrade. Boehner needs a larger reduction plan, not a political plan.

@sfcret

And just how does that plan bring any more confidence to the markets and rating agencies? A short term extension will not keep us from losing our AAA rating and whether you believe it or not, the fact is that without a traditional debt ceiling extension (normally 18 months to 2 years) American's most likely will see an increase in all of their daily costs due to the higher cost of borrowing.

The GOP\TP should have taken the $4T in cuts for $1T in revenue deal offered to begin with. With 6 days to go were probably looking at a rating downgrade to AA anyway. That means more money out of yours, mine, and everybody else pockets come August 3.

So much for fiscal conservatism ;-(

Dennis, you are right congress sets a time limit and can always extend it. The last one I remember that didn't make it was the ERA, was out there for 10 yrs, missed by one state, I believe.

I also don't like the CYA votes to please one side or the other but sometimes you have to go with the flow. Some house republicans want the BBA vote, even knowing it will not pass but for political cover. The President wants a 18 month debt ceiling increase to take it past the election for the same reason political cover, even he said that he did not want to be discussing the debt ceiling during the election. I would welcome a much bigger reduction plan from Boehner, some where around $3 Trillion, and a written promise of a 6 month review of the tax codes to raise revenue.

The rating agencies demand a larger spending reduction and yes that just happens to work out well for our President’s political cover. But he is in a position that if we default it may be a downgrade and if we don’t cut enough spending it will be a downgrade. His veto threat is not empty because if either occurs he and we lose. I believe his point of view is that he may as well veto the short term deal than face a certain downgrade with the short term plan. It is possible to exceed the deadline, default and still not get downgraded if there is a plan that meets the needs/demands of the rating agencies.

Well then they sure have come along way, eh Jody.

How many times did Feisty and you and the rest type the term "in lockstep" to describe the evil republicans, just a few months ago.

You sure seemed to hate that back then.

And now?

You fine dems told us last year - "oh, you don't like Obamacare? Tuff."

So goose or gander Jody?

So becasue we were wrong about the strength of the GOP/TP relationship we are somehow supposed to be sorry for that? Only thing i'm sorry for is that i don't have you on ignore Spanky. I guess you're like a trainwreck. Too damn interesting to ignore.

Jody:

You Democrats seem to think you are all experts on the Republican party. How do YOU know what is going on behind closed doors? You and your ilk have been saying my entire life that the Republican party will disband after the next election; the Republican party will be out of power for generations, the Republican party this and that; and look we are still here.

Worry about your own house. We know you do not like Republicans and if thats what blows your drawers up, so be it.

No and again Bryan - thank you and Pelosi so very much. Without Obamacare, none of this would be happening.

Bryan, where is Pelosi these days?

R u a GOP constituent?.....How do you know they are not listening to THEIR constituents. My Congressman is doing exactly what we want him to do. We voted for him, not YOU.

I have observed it the other way around. Most hard party liner GOP constituents do and repeat exactly what their representative says and does.

ITM, see that is the problem with people like you. You think that your Congressperson is only supposed to represent YOUR INTEREST.

They were sent there by us to represent AMERICA's interest. It should be about what is good for ALL OF AMERICA not just the constituents back home.

Oh, and the latest survey shows that over 50% of Americans want the two parties to compromise on a balanced approach that includes revenue increases. One person alone does not represent all of America's interest and in divided government you must compromise in order to govern.

SayitaintSo,

Your respective Represenatives and Senators are supposed to reflect the interests of their constituents, not of the United States as a whole. Yes, it would be best if the two were in rough parity, but the reps and sens are responsible to the local constituents, hence, local elections. If it were as you indicate above, then we should have national elections for local (statewide or otherwise) races. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that they are doing either, they are representing their respective parties, not the voters, and definitely not the nation.

The current congressional and vice president oaths as enacted
in 1884:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take
this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;
and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which
I am about to enter: So help me God.

The Presidential Oath:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm( that I will faithfully
execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of
my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United
States.

Supreme Court Justice Oath:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will administer
justice without respect to persons, and do equal right to the poor and to the
rich, and that I will faithfully and impartial discharge and perform all the
duties incumbent upon me as (TITLE) under the Constitution and laws of the
United States. So help me God.

The Constitution in all these instances is the nation not individuals or groups of
individuals.

Nick:

Who is this "WE"? The only reason Democrats are still in the majority in the Senate is because they all rode Obama's coattails and benefitted from str8 party voting. That is the only way.

YOU have only one vote like everyone else. I will vote just the opposite of you; so you see we BOTH are cancelled out. Now take your whining azz back to sleep.

InTheMiddle - Then I can jump in since y'alls votes are cancelled out and I get to pick? Which is kind of right, I am an Independent and we all know who decides elections... Neither the GOP or The Democrat base are enough anymore to win an election.

That's right Robert! You tell them the truth it may make them melt away if they hear the truth more often. Truth! The truth is just watch the WI people handling Walker.......the 2012 elections are next! See ya repubs/tea baggers.

Robert, great analysis. Unfortunately ITM is not interested in reality, only getting his way. Kinda like the freshmen Tea Party Representatives in the House.

Shoot, I proved ITM wrong and he threatened to prove he was right by beating me up. Ignore him (I knew there was someone I still needed to put on ignore), he is one very confused individual.

Good one.

Vote GOP--Vote for Chaos

Conservatives generally retreat to undisclosed locations when it gets tough for their side.

All the real conservatives are dead, the Republican/Teabagger Party of today is in no way shape or form conservative, a corporatist cult would be a much more accurate description of what you have today.

In case anyone isn't watching the Dow is down 280 points as of 2:44pm.

Large, mid ans small caps all down.

Is anybody watching....

Please tell me again the default will leave the market unaffected.

If it stay here, that's 500 points in 3 days.

Both sides on this blog do the same things and generally suffer from the same malady. You are much better at seeing the flaws in your opponents positions than in your own, and blind to the similarities in your rhetoric and tactics...

There have been many threads where the left has feared to tread too.

Many here on both sides live in a "house of cards" that even a slight breeze can collapse around them and need the security of the "echo chamber" to assuage their fragile belief systems...

Ira Lapin

In case anyone isn't watching the Dow is down 280 points as of 2:44pm.

Large, mid ans small caps all down.

Is anybody watching....

Please tell me again the default will leave the market unaffected.

If it stay here, that's 500 points in 3 days.

...and

The yield on Aug. 4 T-bills has jumped to nearly 0.12%,

Of the course the stock market slide could be because the Beige book showed the economy slowing at the start of H2.

Dow only down 166 now....buy buy buy...

Alan, NJ

I follow the US Total Stock Market Index, which is the flagship index of the Dow Jones family. This index is an all-inclusive measure composed of all U.S. equity securities with readily available prices. This broad index is sliced according to stock-size segment, style and sector to create distinct sub-indexes that track every major segment of the market.

At 3:09 it's down 279 points.

Yields are moving up and the dollar down.

Tick...tick...tick

At 3:09 it's down 279 points.

Yields are moving up and the dollar down.

Tick...tick...tick

Find tall building in downtown Manhattan

Wait outside to watch falling stockbrokers

Alan, NJ..

Not me....bought a camera to capture all the action.

Guessing Republicans will give up on that giant LEAP of faith that default has no consequences.

Just looked...down 298 points.

The mattress gets softer by the minute. ;-)

Has gold hit $2k yet.

Yeehaw. Dude I got some with a cost basis of less than $500. Might just be time to cash a little in, you know while rates are still low.

Fear no Dangerfield I was out at lunch. So what would you like to discuss? That the ruling class of politicians no like-y like the so called tea partiers who came to fix stuff not garner power?

What the line - better 40 Rubios than 80 Snowes?

Nothing about this article causes my any discomfort, I assure you. Plus just imagine the pressure on Reid and Obama if Boehner's plan passes.

It's a small condolence.

Spanky

Gold is currently 1614.70.

You're buying...basis $500...really?

Anyone else notice that Spanky's typing gets completely horrible after lunch? He kinda peters out?

Spanks,

You check your blood sugar today?

Has MSNBC started the End of the World Countdown clock yet?

From Real Clear Politics

Obama Actually a Moderate Conservative President - Paul Krugman, NYT

ROFL

Bryan E., PA..

Liquid lunch...Captain Morgan....sssshhhh!

According to Krugman, the President is a moderate conservative...

"The reality, of course, is that we already have a centrist president — actually a moderate conservative president. Once again, health reform — his only major change to government — was modeled on Republican plans, indeed plans coming from the Heritage Foundation. And everything else — including the wrongheaded emphasis on austerity in the face of high unemployment — is according to the conservative playbook."

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/the-cult-that-is-destroying-america/

According to Bill Kristol; "To vote against Boehner is to choose to support Barack Obama. It is to choose to increase the chances that worse legislation than Boehner’s passes.

According to blogger Erik Erickson, Kristol is an Obama supporter...

“Kristol wants to cut a deal because … well … because he likes sucking up to Republican leaders first of all. But also because in his cowardly abandon he cannot perceive how holding the line can force the Democrats to produce a better deal. … Of course, I’m sure Bill Kristol thinks letting Obama raise the debt ceiling again next year and claim a bipartisan victory will somehow hurt Obama going into the election. I’ll keep my principles and fight, thank you very much.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60027.html#ixzz1TKxCoQAy

So I hope that clears things up...

Ira - actually I recall buying my first gold coins in 1985, for about $360 per ounce. I take the long view on investment and especially retirement.

Bryan - my typing sucks all the time. In the morning I actually proof read sometimees. By afternoon, not so much.

And Ira- I never drink on Mondays, rarely on Tuesdays, and usually not on Wednesdays. Definitely on Thursday and almost always on Fridays. Plus I now prefer Sailor Jerry over my old friend the Captain. Jerry is a 90 proof. More bang for the buck, and well, I tend to be cheap.

dangerfield:

So I hope that clears things up...

Indeed. Very clear. Just what I needed to help me understand.

Thank you. ;-)

…and at the bell…

The Dow Jones US Stock Market Index is: Down 302.55

The Dow Jones Industrial Average: Down 198.44

Treasury yields jumped today by .12%...that’s billions in additional debt.

The dollar traded lower against the major foreign currencies.

Today’s dismal report was brought to by the TP faction of the GOP.

Dangerfield...crystal!

Boy Reid better pass Boehner's bill and Obama better sign it - OR THE WORLD WILL COLLAPSE.

Or not.

So Ira, what the dem play here? Could go back to Cut, cap and balance and get 5 more votes in the senate, right?

Spanky..

If the McConnell_Reid Plan still exists...just do it.

Then go debate the 6 Plan or Simpson-Bowles.

Both plans are bi-partisan, balanced and address all the issues that neither party can agree on.

Cut, Cap and Balance has the Balanced Budget Amendment which is an albatross to any bill right now. It NEVER passes the Senate and is a waste of time.

Save the Constitutional crap for another day and pass the raise in the debt ceiling.

dangerfield:

So I hope that clears things up...

Indeed. Very clear. Just what I needed to help me understand.

I didn't...pass the Captain's Spanky...or some single malt if you have any.

[Could go back to Cut, cap and balance and get 5 more votes in the senate, right?]

...yeabut...yeabut...yeabut...

[Anyone else notice that Spanky's typing gets completely horrible after lunch? He kinda peters out?]

Yea...that's what happens when you're billing your "clients" for time spent on the computer harassing women, diabetics, and disabled veterans...

You're right, it really is frightening to see what is happening and then to have Boehner tell about the TP's idea to create chaos for the country to get their way--what kind of people are they.

Jody--I sure hope they come to their senses in time to avert this looming disaster but Boehner is not in charge of the Republican asylum, the lunatics are.

Our Congress is really not "our" Congress, their allegiance lies elsewhere, hell some of them have even signed pledges stating as much.

Tom....I sure hope they come to their senses in time to avert this looming disaster but Boehner is not in charge of the Republican asylum, the lunatics are.

They have no sense;

No common sense, no sense of duty, no sense of honor, no sense of doing the right thing for the good of OUR COUNTRY.

They are knocking on the door of treason and I don't say that lightly.

I support our President, he has seen these clowns for what they are.......worthless.

You all have seen me post this many times before, but:

The repubs thought it would be cute or expedient to court the evangelicals back in the Bush campaigns, then try to ignore them once in office. Evidently didn't learn anything as they did the same thing with the 'baggers last elections. The 'baggers will NOT be denied, however.....

Good going, butt-heads.

Gingerbread Mamma---Yet we still see conservatives on FR defending them and attacking President Obama. Amazing isn't?

And by the way- WE the people elected President Obama in open and free elections. We did NOT elect the 'baggers or Norquist in those elections! I, too, smell treason here.

Sour grapes I'm afraid Drive By.

So you loving the Reid plan?

I'm loving his embrace of no new taxes - you know the "Norquist" position, so I suppose according to yu Reid is a traitor as well, right?

But hey you can thank your gal Pelosi - consequences of Obamacare. It's totally worth it to you, right?

Sure it is.

Yes it is amazing Tom, someone left the light on for these clowns and this is what slunk in the door. Money can buy anything OR shut anyone out. Citizens United, what a joke .......on us.

Somebody sure elected a lot of tea party house members in november thou----

I think barry called it a shallacking. Its kind of encouraging when representatives actually represent the people that put them there instead of selling them out like a certain someone. hint hint - gitmo, bush tax cuts, wars

Now Rob - it's not nice to call Pelosi and the gang clowns.

Misguided? Ignorant? Didn't know what was in it?

Sure. But maybe Gingerbread Mamma can link up Citizens United with the Shellacking that happened last December. I bet in her ThinkProgress infested world the two are totally unrelated and the election results were "unexpected."

Gingerbread Momma wrote: "They are knocking on the door of treason and I don't say that lightly."

Grover Norquist and other groups like the Heritage WTF Foundation are openly right-wing, or should I say far-right wing conservatives. How can anyone or any group claim to represent the "taxpayers" or American people when they are clearly biased to one side to begin with? Do they think the entire nation is as ignorant as their fringe base?

This business of pledges and oaths are actually considered to be an "evil" practice in religious doctrine. But it certainly needs to be reviewed by the SCOTUS--someone needs to bring litigation against it. I agree the word "treasonous" is a serious one, but many in the country view the Republicans in this way. The GOP/TP is being lead by Hate Radio shock jocks (with highly questionable character and credentials) and answering to extremist groups--both outside the electoral process. This is anti-democracy and anti-American (specifically YOU Michele Bachmann). Screw your false cries for impeachment of the president, it is the Teabaggers in the House who should be put on trial.

We also need to revamp parliamentary procedures that are being abused at record levels. The filibuster, blocks and holds, and threats to shut-down the government or default on our debts. It shouldn't even be possible for a minority to hold everything hostage in these ways. It's completely contrary to founding principles and democracy, and why Duck, Dodge and Destroy would require amendment to the constitution (that Teabaggers supposedly want to preserve--ha!)

DBO wrote: "The repubs thought it would be cute or expedient to court the evangelicals back in the Bush campaigns, then try to ignore them once in office."

Dubya learned that lesson when he ran for the senate. He became a born-again Christian before running for governor, and Rove used his dirty tricks to destroy Ann Richards. It's clear Rick Perry is using the Bush/Rove playbook starting with his Days of Prayer for Rain. I don't have anything against prayer, but this is not in keeping with Separation of Church and State.

Further to DBO's post about open and free election of President Obama, the same thing applies to the Affordable Health Care Act, which was passed with a filibuster-proof super majority, and not via some machination like the Bush tax cuts under reconciliation, or all the union-busting (FAA for gawd sake), anti-abortion (closing clinics based on building codes), anti-voting preoccupation, etc. of the GOP/TP since the 2010 election.

The old religious wedge issues are bad enough. Now we wonder if we'll have a two-party system at minimum to preserve democracy. And that system was designed by the founders on the premise of compromise and a balanced approach. Not a "my way or the highway" or we shoot the hostage deplorable mentality. The Teabaggers are not constitutionalists, or Libertarians, they are anarchists that must be removed, and the sooner the better.

Gingerbread Mamma

They are knocking on the door of treason and I don't say that lightly.

Can you further define how the GOP is guilty of treason? Since you don't say that lightly, give me the long thought out answer for your comment. And can you also define those leaders who should be brought up on charges?

Thanks, I look forward to reading your response.

True Patriot, I could not have said it better.

Kudos!!

TruePatriot and Gingerbread: WONDERFUL POSTS! When I called my representative, Paul Gosar for the third time today, I told him that holding the nation hostage, and allowing United States' companies' stock to crater was tantamount to treason. Furthermore, I said that signing a pledge is evidence that Gosar could not think for himself, and is a follower and NOT a leader!

Gingerbread Mamma,

Can you provide your opinion for your treason theory? Can't wait to read it - I trust it isn't a cut and paste from a liberal media site.

Allen West, is a disgrace and hopefully will be in 2012

And- he is this week's Dilbert look-alike-contest winner.

West, after demanding Ms. Wasserman-Schultz say it to his face, sent an e-mail showing his courage.

Colonel West is the type of people that need to be in the Congress. Shultz just let her mouth write a check her azz couldn't cash. She thought he was just going to let her say whatever about him and not be confronted. She must have thought she was on MSNBC.

Drive On Colonel..............................

ITM and Colonel West

Two Peas In A Pod

IMHO

OMG.......this is what the Army produces.? You sir are a disgrace, as is your disgraced Colonel. One who was made retire as well being fined $5K for abuse a detainee in his custody in Afghanistan. A prisoner who was cleared and released, Colonel West's idea of interrogation was to fire a pistol next to the man's head.

The 'Colonel' has anger managament issues, as do you and are well documented in FR's archives. He is unsuited to be a Congressman, his demeanour is more suitable to be a street fighter. No Gentleman from Florida he.

Actually, it was Lieutenant Colonel, not a full bird . . . well, not a full bird Colonel, if you know what I mean. And if sending an angry e-mail and releasing it to the press is 'confronting' her, then you have as many misogynistic problems as the Lieutenant Colonel has.

West is what we wold have called a 'lifer' and really isn't all that intelligent. He only won because he represents a Republican/TP Inc. party district and the two better candidates split the Republican primary voters that did not win. He actually won the primary with fewer votes than those who voted against him. He won the general election . . . barely . . . simply because he had an R next to his name.

The man is a joke. A sick joke foisted on the US by managing to win the primary with the fewest votes, and the general simply because he had a R next to his name. I doubt very much he will be re-elected. He is neither honorable nor deserving of any respect, what-so-ever.

w--that would be a lot funnier if the goats weren't us!

oh my God!

Yeah, the Libertarians called and they want their movement back.

Bob,

I am shocked to learn you know what reality is. Do moonbats exist in your reality Bob?

I remember those days, too, Robert-1960. After the elections were over, both parties worked together to get stuff done and they compromised to do it.

the GOP has so many different factions now there is no way it can last in this environment. I remember the days there were good middle of the road conservatives

Moderate Republicans are extinct. Thats the problem. The manic tea partiers will never compromise and the Independents arent liking it. They are no longer on their side. I hope the Tea PArty enjoys their one and only term (if their constituents dont re-call their elections before then)

Do any of you vote Republican???????? That is what I thought.

InTheMiddle- the answer to your question is yes I have, I am an Independent and I do not follow any party ideology. So your smart ass little burst of Limbaugh like hate was wasted here...

How I feel about the current Tea Party and Hard Party politics that the GOP is engaged in is that I do not appreciate Radicals of any time for any reason. This bunch is a bunch of radicals that believe that they are the only ones that can possibly right so they play the my way or the highway game, Punk radical ideologues. I believe this is kind of how the third Reich got started!

Robert you are a typical Liberal. When you get confronted: you throw out the old race card, the Limbaugh card, or the "I used to be a Republican card". You are about as independent as Pelosi. There are no such animals as Independents, they all lean one way or the other. that bunch of confused only consist of about 10%.

ITM, you are not a Republican anyway. You are clearly a Tea Party supporter.

As to the backlash against the RSC staffer, why should anyone outside of the GOP\TP care if they are starting to eat their own over there. More power to them, as long as they get a debt ceiling bill out of the House that can pass the Senate and be signed by the President.

Maybe they ought to take a look at that Constitution thingy they claim to love and support so much, specifically the Fourteenth Amendment, Section 4 and Section 5.

Section 5 shoots down any argument that the President has the authority to raise the debt ceiling by Executive Order. That would be just what the GOP\TP would like him to do so they can bring him up on Articles of Impeachment. It's the job of Congress, so either they do their job or WE THE PEOPLE should have the right to recall every last single one of them before their term of service is over.

Nice Post RGiles

Great post, RGiles.

RGiles we can no longer vote our way to an honest government, the people of this country really don't have a government any longer, what is called our government has became nothing more than an instrument used to protect the wealthy's wealth and power, the judicial system is just another corporate entity with the same allegiance. This countries people have no legal means of righting what is all too obviously wrong, and that's a shame because that only leaves some very difficult and unattractive means of achieving the goal of a government by the people and for the people, the entities that currently dictate what happens in America won't give up their power out of the goodness of their heart or Patriotism because they posses neither, dark days await us all I fear.

Very nice post. I too am a republican but just recently switched to Independent for the reason same . Peace be with you brother and kudos to you for speaking what's in your heart and most of all the truth!

RGiles--I wish I'd said that!

RGiles for congress!

RGiles...

Well said Sir!

it is congress's job. This is the most involved in any issue any president in history has been. He is sticking his political neck out trying to get something done to prevent something that none of us could imagine. If the Tea Party would stop with all these political "Symbolic" Bills that they know will never get past the Senate maybe they would have time to do their job but I understand, that only leaves them 17 months for the next election, not enough time to do your job and campaign. Hell, do like Michelle Bachmann, just go on and campaign and to hell with voting. She has missed 40% of all votes in the house since she announced her pray away the gay run at the president.

You go Tim! I am so sick of their stupid talking points like we are stupid and can't see what is really going on. I have to say I can see that their followers are as deaf, dumb and blind as they are. These people do not care about our country nor it's people they are racist and that has been proved time and time again!

"This is the most involved in any issue any president in history has been"

Almost right, let me correct that statement..

"This is the most Press Conferences and statements and partisan whiining that any president in history has been involved in, without actually HAVING A CONCRETE PLAN OF HIS OWN!

jeez - that damn senate! I thought the republicans were the party of no.

Looks like it's the senate of no.

BOB, it's congress that has to have a concrete plan and they should be working on a plan that could pass, like making compromises. The GOP/TP "Plan" has no specific "concrete" carved in stone validity either, they are just plans, once agreed upon a Bill will be written by The House.

ROB, what the Senate is supposed to pass every piece of crap "Symbolic" Bill that the Tea Party puts out, thank god they have better sense than that. our country would be screwed

Timmy - the tea party plan is no debt ceiling raise. Simple, and concrete right?

The republican passed the cut cap and balance bill, that was very specific.

Oh and also I love me MSNBC, and although I missed Rachel last night that fill it had a terribly annoying lisp.

So what's with the "you lie" crap? Cause brother, you are mistaken, on all counts.

Oh and try to figure out the "Reply" button. k?

Bob, you mean the same Senate where the Republican Senators invoked cloture on nearly every bill sent to them when Democrats controlled the House of Representatives?

Oh, so now that Republicans and Tea Party representatives are in the majority the Senate is just supposed to rubber stamp everything that comes out, regardless of whether is makes good policy for America or not, right?

You folks really slay me with your hypocritical line of reasoning.

I think you over-estimate your numbers. The tea partiers got in in the mid-terms because the democrats and independents stayed home. I don't think that will happen in 2012.

I wonder how the tea party started their movement? Maybe we should start the 'Reason" party. People who will actually do what's right for this country and not for their re-election...cause quite frankly fewer and fewer of us care if you'all are re-elected.