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Subscribe to RSSThe wealth gap between whites and blacks in America is wider than it has been in a generation, but it doesn’t seem to be hurting President Obama politically.
Whites now have 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, as compared to a ratio of 7 to 1 from whites to both groups in 1995, when the U.S.’s economic expansion boosted many underprivileged groups to the middle class, according to an analysis of Census data released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center. That’s the widest gap in 27 years, since U.S. government began recording the wealth gap between whites and minorities.
In terms of total decrease in net worth, Hispanics have been affected most adversely, with a decrease of 66% from 2005 to 2009. The net worth of black families decreased 53% in the same period, as compared to a 16% drop for whites.
Analysts of the data report that the white-minority gap can be partially explained by the fact that whites have invested more in stocks and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African-Americans have invested more in homes, and therefore have seen significant losses. With an exceedingly stalled housing market, this wealth gap may widen even further.
"The findings are a reminder, if one was needed, of what a large share of blacks and Hispanics live on the economic margins," said Paul Taylor, director of Pew Social & Demographic Trends. "When the economy tanked, they're the groups that took the heaviest blows."
These studies emerge in the midst of the debt ceiling debate, in which Obama and congressional leaders must arrive at a decision to cut deficits and raise the debt ceiling or run the risk of seeing the U.S. default on its financial obligations -- all by the deadline of August 2nd. Last week, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) met with Obama and urged him to avoid making cuts to housing assistance or safety net programs, claiming such cuts would disproportionately hurt minorities. It remains to be seen if this plea, and the study presented by the Pew Research Center, will have an impact on the August 2nd decision.
Still, despite these data and Republicans, like Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney pointing out how minorities have been adversely affected in this economy, blacks and Hispanics appear firmly in Obama’s corner. In the latest NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll, released last week, the president’s overall job approval was split with 47% approving and 48% disapproving. But those numbers spiked among Hispanics and African Americans. Hispanics approved 56%-39%, and blacks were an even stronger 88%-7%.
Those numbers have held pretty steady since the president took office. Provided they remain that way, that support could give Obama a measure of insulation in next year’s election that might not be enjoyed by other presidents in a similar economy.
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Why wouldn't Hispanics remain in President Obama's corner?
I mean the tea party has been so inclusive of them - right?
Between talking about shooting them from helicopters & being able to pull someone over based solely on the color of their skin surely would win them votes... wouldn't it?
So it continues to 'trickle down' - we're going to need a BIGGER umbrella!!!
the tea party seems to like Marco Rubio --- you know the next vice president!
That settles it. Lets raise taxes!!!
Start spearding some wealth around!
Nonsense, Feisty. This can only be because some people don't know what's good for them.
Though minorities are hit the hardest (as always) the wealth gap applies to all races including whites. The bigger issue isn't race but rather the plutocracy our nation is becoming. And whether minorities or progressives are happy with President Obama or not, what's the alternative? The GOP/TP? People crashed the congressional server and phone lines last night. Let's hope they get out the vote, even if it's only to vote against the Tea Party/Republicans. I'm in a red state so don't know how much good it will do, but I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket in 2012.
Right on, Fiesty. And I think the Tea Party deserves and will get what it earns from every demographic group.
That said, I believe that at a time when there is a marked downturn in revenue, the rate of deficit spending has gone out of control and it is affecting civility, trust, and hurting all people.
Reagan deficit spent $0.162 trillion/year, HW Bush deficit spent $0.400 trillion/year, Clinton deficit spent $0.220 trillion/year, GW Bush spent $0.531 trillion/year, and right now Obama is deficit spending at a rate of $1.720 trillion/year.
Obama's deficit spending rate is 324% of that of GW Bush, the previous record holder. Meanwhile the average unemployment rate under Obama is 9.42%, and that's 3.92 additional percentage points over the average unemployment rate under GW Bush.
True Patriot
I'm voting straight Democratic in 2012 as well. Gone are the days I'd vote for a so-called moderate Republican like Olympia Snowe. We can't have the luxury of a divided government any more, not when divided = dysfunctional.
Amy - As much as I hate straight line voting I don't see people have any choice anymore.
Republicans spend just as much, if not more, than Democrats. The difference is Democrats at least try to pay for their spending.
The sad fact is that "Tax and Spend" is a much more fiscally conservative position than "Tax CUT and spend."
nisl, Agreed. The GOP was and still is the party of barrow and spend as long as they are in the majority, they only find their fiscal conservatism when they are not.
Thoughtful post, scott...too thoughtful for the Feisty Redhead.
She won't make it past your opening two sentences.
If she does, she'll despise your conclusion.
lets dance,
trying searching Wisconsin recall elections and you will get a better ideal of how this country is going to vote in 2012.
People in Wisconsin bought the republicans lies and elected them, now are currently recalling 6 newly elected republicans. It would seem we have some voters remorse going on.
You guys might have had a chance if only you had lied for a couple more years and didn't out yourself by exposing your true plans of no jobs and destroying unions and being the party of the rich and no tax increases and 80% of the voters want tax increases. Great strategic move.
We will be dancing but it will be for President Obama.
JAS1
I tried holding myself but sorry, WHITE JAS1, you are simply an incurable NUT case.
Life will always present itself as imbalance no matter what. taking advantage of situations like this and sowing your seed on which ever path is the challenge we'll always face in life. those who chose to trickle down believe in it and have it's ardent followers who are never challenged by the inequality in the society.
so also, are those who believe that every one, no matter whom or what they are, deserve that equal level of opportunity knowing fully well we are all never going to be rich. it''s a societal responsibility for them to be the their neighbors keeper
Obama chose his path and the minority recognizes both parties offerings and made their choice......... so what? fight your fight whether good or bad for it' whom you are.
Anybody know whether any Democratic Wisconsin state legislators are facing recall?
Yes, 4 of them I believe.
This is a little too simplistic. This is not only about race. What if we take a look at how Americans earning over 250k with networths of 100+ have fared? What we will see is that they are doing quite well post recession. All Americans who earned less than 100k post recession have faired poorly...... This median income stuff is nonsense because the wealthiest Americans own a disproportionate amount of the wealth.
Support him at your own peril.
1/20/2013 - the end of an error
LEAN FORWARD fiesty - this won't hurt a bit.
@ Bag Boy ~
Three democrats were recalled. One election was held. The Democrat -- Dave Hansen -- won by about 30 percentage points. The others are coming up soon -- August 16, I believe.
Of course minorities still support President Obama. Why wouldn't they? What has the GOPTP offered them? While many minorities have conservative views on social and cultural issues, they vote their pocketbook.
I'm stopped voting republican when Reagan turned the US from a creditor nation to a debtor one--"deficits don't matter", "starve the beast" really means starve Government to the point they GOPTP can kill medicare, medicaid, social security and anything else that might help middle America and the poor, starve it to the point Government can no longer function economically let alone be a super power. Yep, I started voting straight democrat from then on.
Any predictions on the outcome of the remaining eight recall elections, AM?
Yes. I think the two democrats will hold their seats and up to four of the Republican seats could flip. Democrats are being outspent mightily by out-of-state and special interest money in a couple of districts and can expect to lose those. They were never great bets anyway.
Three would turn over the Senate, effectively stopping the Ryan juggernaut.
LoL I mean Walker juggernaut. Obama stopped the Ryan juggernaut.
Don't ya just love the statistics that right-wingers post? If they would own up, they would see most of our current debt was incurred during the Bush/Cheney years. The current debt ceiling IS from the Bush/Cheney years. If you become mayor, or governor, or POTUS and there are bills coming in from previous elected officials, you have to pay up. And in the meantime, you also have to keep the country running.
Look at new governors discovering the books were cooked (Minnesota), or President Obama faced with the Great Recession and people losing their jobs (income tax), losing their homes (property tax), and must try to stimulate the economy, because he knows that must be done first before we can solve the other problems (revenue).
The GOP/TP talking heads go on and on about how we can't raise taxes during a recession, and how the middle class must give up Medicare or Social Security because more revenue from the richest 2% would hurt the "job creators." The self-employed business owners, many who are doctors, lawyers, and investment bankers don't create jobs. What are the number of jobs created by the top 25 hedge fund managers? On top of it all, the self-employed business owners who file as individuals and/or are not subjected to third-party reporting (W2) are responsible for 57% of tax evasion.
Aside from the sad fact that jobs have been going down the toilet for over a decade now despite the Bush tax cuts, the Dems have never supported tax hikes on those earning less than $250,000. In fact one-third of the stimulus was tax cuts for the middle class.
You'll also notice that Boehner never mentions the surplus Bush/Cheney inherited, and never mentions the unnecessary invasion of Iraq and how the cost of the war was never included in the budget, or the cost of the prescription drug plan, and certainly won't admit that the Bush tax cuts ARE tax spending.
The truth is, conservatives only become fiscally responsible when the Dems are in power. Republicans--just admit how irresponsible previous Republican administrations have been, and how you never made a peep about it, allowing them to vote over and over to raise the debt ceiling for decades. Just admit it, apologize, and ask nicely to work together to get the debt under control.
Amy, True Patriot and Nisl - Why would you ever limit yourself to voting straight party lines, even before you know who the candidates are? Does their background, experience, education and opinions mean nothing to you as a voter?
That seems to be a very narrow-minded strategy. Thank God most Americans don't share your views and sway back and forth party lines depending on the candidate/issue. Most of us actually research candidates and what issues they support, who they are and what they propose to do for us before we give them a vote. We don't just look at their party affiliation. We may get more bickering and rhetoric from a divided government, but ultimately we also usually get better legislation.
Still waiting for Obama's "Hope & Change" to kick in. When is going to do something to help encourage economic activity, instead of obstructing it? Things have gotten so much worse since Obama became president. My American dream has become an absolute nightmare, and Obama's miss-handling of the economy is to blame. He is the worst president I have seen in my lifetime.
Those making over $250,000 a year represent a lot of small busness people.They are not doing well. They find it harder and harder to make ends meet. Obama does nothin
Obama made alot of promises didn't he. Those speeches 3 years ago sure sounded good.
Every month 50,000 more Hispanic citizen's become 18 years of age. I am 45 and have voted DEMOCRAT since my 18 birthday. Large numbers like this can not be dismissed from the fray. The GOP has steadily shown me thru out my life, nothing but hate and resentment. Tea Baggers are just an extreme version of the gop small minds. Since the Reagan years the gop has gone strait down hill. Isolation and hate along with a huge dose of fear are the name of there game. I voted for President Obama. I will be voting for him again in 2012.
It's interesting that, despite the huge amounts spent on 'wealth redistribution' by the Obama Administration, the wealth disparity is worse than ever.
Maybe we should try a new approach, like jobs instead of welfare, and how much of the disparity is due to poor (or no) investment decisions by minorities.
We elected the "First Black President" to enter a 'post racial' phase in the country, but it seems that we are more racially polarized than we have been for 50 years.
Just the Facts folks…..
National Debt
9/30/2001 $5.8 T Last year of Clinton's signed budget, Repub House & Senate
9/30/2007 $9.0 T Last year of Repub House & Senate budget
9/30/2010 $13.7 T Dem House & Senate 2007 – 2010, No Budget passed for last couple of years
Debt increase 9/30/2001 – 9/30/2007 $3.2 T
Debt increase 9/30/2007 – 9/30/2010 $4.7 T
TreasuryDirect.gov
One has to work to gain wealth
Marco Rubio??? I live in South Florida and Rubio wouldn't have a prayer of getting elected now. He's about as popular as our criminal Governor.
This video will offend many people here, so you lefties do not need to watch. Anybody else who might be interested in what the plan is, here it is. It seems to be working pretty well;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQf_QfitmKE
The sad part is Obama hasn't done anything more for hispanics than the GOP has, yet they fall for his empty promises and pandering. He didn't even start paying attention to them again until a few months back when he started holding useless meetings with hispanic movie stars. What he is doing is such blatant pandering for votes that it is almost unbelievable that the hispanics are falling for it yet again.
The ironic part of this is (just part of it, not all of it) the illegals (mostly from the southern hemisphere) are part of what is causing so many issues for the African-Americans (AAs). From what I've read (from multiple sources) construction type jobs in larger cities are usually filled by AAs, yet with all the illegals taking them over, the AAs can't find work. So the minority that Obama is pandering to the most are the ones that are causing some of the pain for the other minority that Obama is ignoring.
As far as voting straight party lines, one of the beautiful things about being an American is the ability to be an individual. Being an individual gives me the ability to think with my own mind and vote (or not vote) for whom ever most closely meets what I agree with. Things would be much better in this country if both parties were erased so that politicians didn't have to follow party guidelines. This is why I'll be voting OTO (Other than Obama) next year.
Vote Independent, think with your own mind!
This is incorrect. The inheritance tax has pretty much been rescinded. Billionaires can be created just by being born into the right family. But I guess that doesn't fit will with your bigoted talking point.
Why should people not be allowed to give their wealth to their children? Why are you or the government entitled to it instead? How does it make him a bigot?
The wealth gap between people who make less than and more than $250 widens as well, even with the exclusion of race. But the minorities seem to fall faster than the rest.
And for a Nation that was founded on protecting the minorities, we sure a sh!tty job at re-exemplifying the dream today...
Wow!!
What an eye opener. After reading a few dozen posts I've discovered the problem...hard work, determination, ethics and education have all conspired to influence wealth and oppertunity to avoid the hands of minorities in favor of hand-outs from the government. Bring on the confiscation and redistribution!!!!
Imagine that... and they say racism only exists among the ranks of the majority.
Analysts of the data report that the white-minority gap can be partially explained by the fact that whites have invested more in stocks and corporate savings, while younger Hispanics and African-Americans have invested more in homes, and therefore have seen significant losses. With an exceedingly stalled housing market, this wealth gap may widen even further.
Whew!!! I was beginning to think that president Obama, or the government had something to do with it. Ummmmm... but.... wasn't it Fannie and Freddie mostly to blame for the housing crisis, or the government setting up rules that created massive bank greed, causing millions of people to take a serious nosedive in equity on their homes? Nahhhh... couldn't be them... The government is always supportive of the people, especially minorities... how could they even be blamed for the widening gap between those who invested unwisely in their homes and those that invested in other means... stock market, silver, gold... etc.
I was worrying over nothing I guess... I'd hate to see more civil rights marches and stuff like that.
Yeah, it's Reagan's fault, Obama's policies have nothing to do with it. No telling where the minorities would be without Obama.
And why not still continue to support someone that gives out free handouts...no reform for entitlements, no progress on eliminating waste and fraud... What was I thinking...of course they will continue to line up at the free ticket window!
Every day the rich are prodding the republicans to keep their tax cuts that add to the debt. The republicans have even signed a pledge with the traitorous Norquist to never raise taxes on the rich again.
If the tax cuts are 2.7 Trillion dollars and growing debt, why should the rich not help pay this? In a real family, you help run up the credit card and you have to help pay it off.
Welfare for the rich, just because they need it. Surely money for the rich couldn't be wasteful spending.
I can not believe what I am reading less than Half of Americans even pay taxes. According to the data presented the majority of Blacks and Hispanics do not pay taxes( I am basing this off of median wealth). So again why should my taxes go up to raise the living standard of these people, why should I feel sorry for them? If I feel bad and want to help it is called Charity. BTW it seems that many of you do not know this Median is not the same thing as average. Median means that if there are 100,000,000 white people 50,000,000 of them are below the median line and 50,000,000 are above. Having 5,000 trillionares does not change the Median one penny.
The majority of blacks and hispanics do not pay taxes because they are so poor.
If you only get $8.00 an hour you don't have the money to get an education and make more than $8.00 an hour. No money to save for retirement. No money for higher education for the children. Never ending trap. What would be the benefit of cutting educational money from this group? Education is the only way out of the poverty trap.
Seems republicans think the problem is the lazy poor. Why should we give them any money to raise their living standards is a cold hearted vision. We wouldn't have to raise taxes if it weren't for the lazy poor.
On another note, Hitler rose to power blaming all of Germany's problems on the jews.
Justin - actually none of your post is correct. The 47% who don't pay taxes include children under 18; retired adults; disabled veterans; disabled adults; etc. Very few working americans don't pay taxes. That's just a claim by the far right and it serves you so well.
To answer your point Americans First...every day I hear the bashing of the liberals on the rich...but guess what? I grew up poor...My first job was a waiter making $1.34/hr (the rest of the minimum wage which at that time was $2.20 or something like that was to be made up with tips). I went to college on student loans. I didn't have money to live on campus. I went to the most local college and lived with my parents. I graduated, got a job, and became a productive member of society paying taxes and my student loans back. So the question is...if *I* can do it, then why can't anyone else do it? The real answer is that they DON'T want to do it. So how is any amount of money supposed to encourage them to want to get an education?
Americans First –
If a minority is making $8.00/hr and doesn’t have any other household income, they would quality for a completely free public college education in my state (CA) with additional funds for food, housing, etc. If they are white and female, they would qualify for 40-70% of their overall education, depending on whether they took the community college, CSU or UC system routes. For white males making the same as the minorities, they would qualify for 25-35% of their overall education depending on the public institution route they choose. Over the last 20-25 years this has been in place and yet the wealth gap has expanded between minorities and whites and the number of minorities entering colleges has only marginally increased (slower than their population increase percentage). Money for higher education has been growing exponentially but it has virtually not made a dent in growing the number of minorities on college campuses.
As an independent, I don’t speak for Republicans but I agree with some of their members that throwing money at this issue is not fixing the problem. Until we actually figure out why minorities are not pursuing higher education, increasing this funding year after year seems wasteful.
And how does this add to the discussion?
Wealth gap is the leading indicator to Great Depression. Prepare for the next one, got water, food, and a good gun.
Next thing you're going to tell me is that 96% of African Americans (like myself) who voted for Obama are racist, JoAnna Smith1.
Question: Will that statement hold true if 96% of us DON'T vote for Herman Cain?
@Kevin,
You can be sure that none of the folks who equate Obama's overwhelming support among African-Americans with racism has thought far enough to answer your question. I used to try to explain why 96% of us voted for Obama---but how do you describe, say, the color red to a person who's been blind from birth and has never seen it?
I also realized that some of these folks "cherry pick" their statistics. Democratic candidates have had overwhelming black support since Jimmy Carter and even a bit earlier---so were blacks racist then, too?
The GOP---after 100 years of comparable levels of support from blacks as "the party of Lincoln"---turned on African-Americans to court the Dixiecrats, or southern Democrats who left the party because of LBJ's support of civil rights laws. Elephants are said to have great memories, but the GOP seems not to remember their treachery of the 1960s and 1970s---or were just content to write off black support. IMO, it's more the latter situation than the former.
My father's family was among those blacks who supported the GOP---almost all of them were voting straight Democrat by 1973 or '74. I've met plenty of African-Americans who vote Democrat today because the GOP just does not care to offer them a real reason to change parties. Through this indiffference to African-Americans, the GOP has ignored an opportunity to gain significant support in the 'hood.
The GOP leadership is busy pandering to the lunatic fringe of the party---and that fringe has some social ideas that any black American will recognize as a clear & present threat to their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. No one in the 'hood is going to vote for a candidate who signs a pledge reading, in part, that black children were better off under slavery than they are today (Bachmann) or support a party with a major figure who feels that a private business should be able to refuse service to them (Rand Paul).
Why this is so difficult for some people to understand is astounding...
Justin,
When those 47% of people who don't pay taxes, only control probably less than 10% of the wealth, why should they pay more?
10% of the population in the US controls 85-90% of the money, so, logically, shouldn't they be the ones paying 85-90% of the taxes?
88% of blacks support Obama??? Wow isn't that rasist - The black community will be taken seriously when they don't vote just for black candidates - like the ex crack smoking mayor in D.C.. He's done nothing for the black community and yet they follow like sheep. Get real.
if minorities dont vote for people that hate them, they're racist?
and the tea party actually wonders why everybody thinks theyre retarded?
lulz
Red,
Any group that's been as reliable for the Democrats as the minority community (any and all minorities), and has not benefited in any appreciable way, and in fact, has fallen farther behind in spite of their loyalty, should be questioning their political alignment. It may very well be that the Democrats philosophy more closely corresponds to the minority viewpoint, but wouldn't you expect to have something that you could point to as a "success" as a result of your loyalty? I'm sure you'll say something along the lines of "it could have been worse", but the promises made for at least a generation, have resulted in an overall loss in the economic sense, for the minority community.
How much has President Obama raised for his re-election? $85 million? How much have the Republican candidates raised combined? $35 million? Sounds like plenty of people align themselves with the President. Perhaps they don't base success on "are we making an obscene amount of money exploiting our fellow citizens and are taxes still low?" You know, contrary to the Tea Party philosophy.
Tea Bag fiscal policy: Boot Straps Baby!
Amy,
I don't think there's any question that there are plenty of Democrats in the country, nor do I think it's a suprise that the President has raised more money than the challengers. My point had to do with whether or not the minority community feels they've been well served by their loyalty to the Democratic party. FYI I base success on whether or not my family is comfortable, not well off, nor making "an obscene amount of money", although, if I had the option, I'd certainly choose more rather than less. At the moment, that option rests with my employer, if the economy ever picks up, it may rest with me. I'll never turn down the government in terms of what I owe to them in taxes, but if they should decide to reduce my taxes, I won't turn away the money. If you feel that you should pay more in taxes, then by all means, do so. I believe that if you write a check to the IRS explaining the them that you would like to pay more, they'll gratefully accept your contribution.
Amy, I think I understand what Living in LA is saying. It comes down to the question: has voting Democratic helped or hindered the black and Hispanic community?
I would have to say it hasn't and for proof I would ask you to look at Newark, Trenton, and Camden, NJ. All three of these cities have been solidly Democratic for decades and they seem to be getting worse and worse and these three cities have become a huge financial drain on the rest of New Jersey. My family is from Newark. Both of my parents were born and raise there and both of them are scared to back to visit their old neighborhoods because of how bad they have gotten.
Has the Democratic party helped the people of Newark in the past 70 years? I would have to say no and it's a shame too, because from the old photos I have seen, Newark was a beautiful city back then. Now, it's nothing but a slum and I'm ashamed to admit that.
Democrats offer a handout not a handup, and neither them nor their sheep would have it any other way, even if it means robbing their own children and grandchildren. As long as they "get theirs" NOW they couldn't care less.
Obviously, minorities voting for democrats has helped them--President Obama is a perfect example. It will take more than 50 years to undo the centuries of harm caused by slavery and Jim Crow. The economy has hit minorities harder for the same reason--it takes more than 50 years to eliminate the unspoken but subtle prejudices that still exist.
pjam. A handup requires a handout to achieve the first step up.
I wonder where all the jobs went. That might tell a truer story than who they voted for.
I vote democratic and look at what happened under bush. Now we have republicans party for the rich that are trying to dismantle America. Corporations getting tax breaks for moving factories out of America.
(The message appears to be if only we had voted for republicans Newark wouldn't be a slum today. Just look at how voting democratic has done absolutely nothing to help the people and we are so ashamed now.)
The new con, democrats have done nothing for those poor people that vote for them over and over. They need to be voting republican for their own good.
People aren't buying the its everyone fault and the republican have no blame so lets do what the republicans want con.
Americans first - interesting that you you think a republican controlled house has all that power. You must not hold democrat legislators in high regard either. Sad that you don't think that other countries shouldn't eventually have prosperity as well. Then again your handle does say it all.
We may be republicans or democrats but we all should be Americans First.
I said we have a republican party for the rich trying to dismantel America.(in general) You are the one linking it to the republican controlled house. Good to see that you acknoweldge what they are doing.
I hope my full name clears up your slander.
Living in LA - and you think Republicans would do more for minorities or women? Please - grown a brain!
TP/GOP are so worried about the democrats offering a handout--but TP/GOP don't want to even offer a hand up--I've got mine now screw you--you are poor or lost your job...it's your own fault! And they call themselves "christians"? I think Jesus himself would not recognize what the "christian" religion has become. I thought we were supposed to love God and love our neighbors. If you hate others (e.g. Muslems, Hispanics, gays, women, etc) then it follows that you cannot truely love God.
"We have met the enemy and he is us!" Pogo by Walt Kelly
if you libs think that giving people money to get their vote is caring about them then you need to start using your brain a little more. The libs want to say what you should get. Kings always like to keep the serfs at least happy that they have food. This allows the King to live high on the hog.
Having a society that allows anyone to climb the economic ladder is the King's worst nightmare.
I know of not one conservative that says if you lost your job it is your own fault. Funny I know a lot of conservatives that give of their time and money to charities. I work with many of them. can't say i know too many libs in those groups. Wonder were they are since they care so much.
I am on the board of directors for a youth coffee house than trains youths for jobs and that feeds the homeless hot soup 3 days a week with church help one of the days. Everybody on that board is a liberal and some have been on the board 15 years. With all the government cuts its makes it harder to pay for the food and keep kids in a drug, alcohol, gang and smoke free zone.
I haven't a clue what kind of group you work with and why their would be no liberals.
But you can jump right off your high horse, it's just not true about only conservatives give. I am calling hogwash.
@Red,
I agree with your post 100%.
I've said more than once that the Democratic party has pimped black voters for 50 years. I've said that my community (African-Americans) hasn't received anything close to comparable from the party as it has given. IMO, as the Latino population grows the Democrats will sacrifice the black community to score points with them as if those five decades never happened.
That's not racism, it's a prediction based on history. Black Americans supported the GOP---"the party of Lincoln"--- at the same high levels (90%-plus) for about a century. LBJ's support of civil rights drove southern Democrats out of the party, and the GOP threw long-term black support out the window to bring in the Dixiecrats---as if 10 decades of black support never happened.
One of the reasons why blacks continue to support the Democrats is because the GOP has not made any effort to win black support. It's a "lesser of two evils" choice for many of us...
W.Goin,
I've got a perfectly suitable brain, not a genius level I.Q., but certainly above average. Thanks for your concern.
I don't know if the Republicans would do any better for minorities or not, the concept was, perhaps minorities should re-think their allegiance, given that their lot in life has not improved, and has fallen farther off the pace.
Well after 8 years of GW, what exactly is the lesson? Should minorities side with the party of rich old white conservatives? Their lot would suddenly improve??
Those who have been on the bottom since the founding of the country know that none of this is President Obama's fault. Those who think for themselves and don't swallow corporate garbage whole know it too.
Nashville,
No one said it's President Obama's fault. I think the point of the article was that even though the minority community is falling behind, they still support the President, and by default, the Democrats. I have to question whether or not the Democratic alignment has helped them, if, as indicated in the article, the minority community is falling ever further behind.
Living in LA:
You lost me with your first sentence. Clearly you didn't hear John Boehner's speech last night.
P.S. Please let's not pretend that you give a rats #$#@ about minority communities falling behind. Thanks.
How many minorities are in the Republican Party up on the Hill?
What has happened to us as a people when 15 years ago general consensus was that the greatness of our country depended on increased prosperity for everyone? The more people who were doing well, the better the country was doing. And the laws and the tax code were designed to promote that ideal. Fighting poverty used to be considered a worthy goal.
Now it seems that our goal is a race to the bottom with a few wealthy individuals running the show. All the elements we carefully constructed to promote the well being of our country are being systematically dismantled so that a few people can enrich themselves at the expense of the rest. How do we think this is going to end up? I think who we have become is very sad, and will result in the destruction of a once great country, and the impoverishment of a majority of the people. What happened to us?
HA! Right..... Boehner, Cantor, all Teaturd Congressmen and eevry GOP congressman on TV during this whole debt thing have ALL said its Obama's fault. Dont be a lying turd, man.
Nashville,
Perhaps I should have said "Nowhere in the article does it say that it's President Obama's fault". Of course the Republicans will blame President Obama, just as the Democrats blamed (then) President Bush for the financial meltdown. As the old adage goes, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". Whoever is in charge gets blamed, rightly or wrongly, for any and all issues, at least they are blamed by the other party. You're correct, I didn't hear Boehner's speech last night, but as an equal opportunity type person, I also didn't hear President Obama's speech.
Your last statement isn't worthy of comment, perhaps you are having a bad day.
Heartlight3, this is what happened to us. Per Joan McCarter/DailyKos. Read it please:
Republican Leaders Voted For Debt They Blame On Obama
For evidence of that, consider this article from Businessweek, pointing out Republican hypocrisy on the debt they helped create.
July 26 (Bloomberg) -- House Speaker John Boehner often attacks the spendthrift ways of Washington.
“In Washington, more spending and more debt is business as usual,” the Republican leader from Ohio said in a televised address yesterday amid debate over the U.S. debt. “I’ve got news for Washington - those days are over.”
Yet the speaker, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell all voted for major drivers of the nation’s debt during the past decade: Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts and Medicare prescription drug benefits. They also voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, that rescued financial institutions and the auto industry.
Together, a Bloomberg News analysis shows, these initiatives added $3.4 trillion to the nation’s accumulated debt and to its current annual budget deficit of $1.5 trillion.
http://www.dailykos.com/
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Yet they're blaming President Obama. Or minorities. Or illegal immigration. Or school teachers. Or whatever the hell they can come up with.
These legislators have no character. None. They're liars. People still believe them. That's the tragedy here. People in this country still believe the republicans are telling the truth.
They have never told the truth. Ever.
As long as the Mindless minorities keep Believing what the Lying Democrats will sell they will continue to be Finanially Enslaved to the Democrat party. The Democrats will keep promising you lefties everything but Delivering Nothing.. but hey they are promising. thats all that matters...
Simpling amazing how the GOTP is blaming the working class and the poor for our economic woes. The wealthy control the money and the direction of this country. The blind faithful of the Tea Party are buying the GOTP crap hook line and sinker! They still believe they are going to be rich someday! Saps!
So it was Obama that took credit for rescuing the auto industry?? Which is it?? Is it Bush or Obama? I mean if it makes Obama look good then gosh, Obama must have thought of it, but if its bad then gosh, Bush must have done it. That article also doesn't state the number of Democrats that voted for the wars and also voted to the continuing funding of those wars (even as Obama sits in office). So to blame everything on the Republicans is very short-sided.
So Asians and middle Easterners are not minorites?
Just more "class warfare" rhetoric combined with race to further divide the public before election time... Chicago style politics at it's finest.
jk you might remember that President Obama pushed saving the auto companies against the will of most republicans that thought the companies and its jobs should be allowed to fail. Just more wasted money as far as the republicans were concerned.
Now that it has been proven to be the right choice. I think President Obama should get the credit.
On the other hand the republicans forced the tax cut through without the democrats. In this case republicans get the credit.
It isn't about is the result good or bad, it is about who is actually responsible.
The wars, I didn't want wars and I was called all kind of names, coward, un-american, terrorist lover and felt our government was being pushed into war with Afghanistan with all the emotionalism on television.
When bush left Afghanistan to languish and to pursue his war of choice in Iraq pushed by faux I felt the war was totally on the republicans. The majority of the republicans still don't want to leave Afghanistan with only 8 voting in the senate to leave and the democrats more down the middle(84) voting to leave. Who do you think wants this war more?
Well..American...The president can stop proposing to fund the wars...then it's over... And for your information, more Americans have died in Afganistan since Obama has in office (in just 2 1/2 years) than all the time under Bush. And as for who is responsible, let's see...who is responsible for lowering our unemployment rate? Who is responsibile for closing down Gitmo?
And to Pat's earlier post..." They also voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, that rescued financial institutions and the auto industry." Again which is it?? You can't keep it straight...deny it in the article. If you want to lay supposed claim that the Republicans voted for TARP and the auto industry, then give the Republican credit for turning the auto industry around? You want to assign who is responsible, then it would seem in the article that the Republicans are responsible for turning the auto industry around...
it is also interesting that gitmo needed to be closed because that made muslims hate us. The drones crossing into foriegn countries and bombing homes and buildings, killing innocent people, however is should make these muslims feel good about us and respect us. If Bush did this there would be a constant cry to have him convicted of war crimes.
Just the Facts folks…..
National Debt
9/30/2001 $5.8 T Last year of Clinton’s signed budget, Repub House & Senate
9/30/2007 $9.0 T Last year of Repub House & Senate budget
9/30/2010 $13.6 T Dem House & Senate 2007 – 2010, No Budget passed for last couple of years
Debt increase 9/30/2001 – 9/30/2007 $3.2 T
Debt increase 9/30/2007 – 9/30/2010 $4.6 T
TreasuryDirect.gov
They actually refer to Asians in the original articles....but more as a side note....and Middle Easterners aren't referred to at all. I notice the same thing and thought the same thing. Irresponsible reporting at it's finest as well. As if the country isn't divided enough along party lines at this point...lets see if we can stir up some stuff between races while we're at it!
"...Provided they remain that way, that support could give Obama a measure of insulation in next year’s election that might not be enjoyed by other presidents in a similar economy."
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Unless we consider the "phony" and "hated" independent voters...
"In a country where the single largest political affiliation is now neither Democrat nor Republican but "independent" (38% according to Gallup and 37% according to the Pew Research Center) and where a whole generation of Americans has grown up fluent in the online skills that are disrupting incumbents in all other walks of life, the political winds seem to be blowing in the same direction: Away from dominant political tribes that are justifiably leaking market share and toward individuals who are fed up with bipartisan logjams that produce asinine policies."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-welchgillespie-indies-20110726,0,7982797.story
Independent voters are fed up with both parties. The current political climate is bound to turn more former loyal republicans and democrats into the "phony" and "hated" independents who will decide the 2012 elections...
dangerfield..
Funny...no matter what the consequences, 62% of the population will vote either D or R just because.
The election of 2012 will be a fight for the hearts and minds of that 38%.
I always believed that independents actually leaned one way or the other and there was an issue that was the tipping point.
If the debt debate hasn't made up their minds, nothing will.
One other point..given the priorities of the times it is certainly understandable, but the immigration issue has not been addressed and that primarily affects Hispanics. There may be some voters in that group who are not happy with the non progress on immigration reform.
At the end of the day Ira its a choice between the President, and more of the same, and whoever the republicans nominate, and a leap in the dark. As they haven't nominated anybody yet there is nothing to choose between right now. It would be interesting if there was a 3rd party candidate, fiscal conservative, liberal socially but that's not likely.
What I will say is that the Republicans had better nominate a candidate with executive experience. The last two Presidents have been awful IMO. I know Bush was a Governor but he was intellectually challenged. This removes most of the "fringe" candidates and bring the choices down to Romney, Huntsman and Pawlenty (Perry is tainted by Bush). So there's not much of a choice (again).
Alan, NJ..
Would agree totally if I was certain Bachmann would be gone. She fills the TP and Evangelical void the other candidates lack. Pawlenty and Bachmann are fighting for the same base. Bachmann wins. So it's Romney and Bachmann and that's just not much of a choice.
Even if you are an R, you just can't get serious about either of these 2 people.
I don't know. Romney might, and I say might, be OK once he's past the primary. I don't believe anything they say to get past that bunch on loons anyway. It would depend on his performance after that. I can forgive him the numerous flip-flops up to that point as Obama has had as many in the last 2 years...so at that point its a wash. I would also take into consideration what is happening in the house and senate. Even though its a mess right now I prefer this to single party rule. I don't trust either of them.
I don't like the way Bachmann is attacked by the left and it does strike me as very misogynist, but her political views and world view is not something I would even consider supporting.
Ira-
Michelle Bachmann will not be the GOP nominee.
Since I'm uncertain about when we'll have finally seen the entire Republican field, I have no opinion yet whether Romney will be.
Honestly, Ira...if you seriously believe that Michelle Bachmann can win the nomination, I can only suggest that you don't have much contact with mainstream conservatives.
We may admire Bachmann's basic conservative principles, but most of us would like a fighting chance to win in 2012. Bachmann (or any other hard-line social conservative) doesn't offer us that chance, and all but the ideologues are well aware of it.
Just curious, though...
What's your beef with Romney...beyond the simple fact that you're a (quasi, I believe you said) liberal, and he's a Republican?
I wouldn't expect you to vote for him, but why would you throw him in with Bachmann?
I don't get that, Ira.
They couldn't be more different.
Mixed Bag and Alan..
Ok...here's my convoluted logic.
She's running second in the polls behind Romney...yes I know it's 2 years away...because she is the darling of the TP and the Evangelicals. No matter what she says or how stupid it is they still love her. Teflon Michelle. She is not going away.
Pawlenty is also from MN and competing for the same votes dear Michelle is. Michelle wins in a landslide.
Romney...worse flip flopper EVAH!!!! He's the sanest but he keeps backing away from sane to please the TP and right wingers. It shouldn't be important but I'm betting the fact he's a Mormon plays into it.
Me...no way I vote for either of them. Unless the GOP puts up a candidate that I don't define as fringe my choice is easy.
Kook at it this way. If either the 6 Plan or Bowles-Simpson passes, Obama's hands are pretty much tied with respect to spending.
I'll rather live with his social agenda than the right wing agenda.
That's my weird logic....and you're right...I don't know anything about mainstream conservatives.
Freudian Slip?
As women say about men in Alaska, the odds are good but the goods are odd.
Hmmm.
OK, Ira...
Maybe.
But what, exactly, qualifies Romney as a "fringe" candidate...?
Bachmann I get.
Flip-flopping?
I gather that you regarded John Kerry as a "fringe" candidate, and voted for G.W. Bush instead?
Kerry is THE gold standard "flip flopper"...EVAH!!!! (even got the New England accent, didn't you, Ira? lol! Both in Massachusetts, too!)
So..."flip-flopping" is Romney's problem?
Not sure I disagree...but, what about Kerry in '04?
C'mon, Ira.
I know you didn't vote for Dubya.
This is me, pal.
Alan, NJ..
Funny...and true.
Mixed..
I voted for W in 2000....honest. Do not like Gore.
By 2004 I would have bet the farm W would not get re-elected. Despised him by then.
Kerry was a nice safe centrist democrat and a vet and was smart enough to marry money.
Yeah....I voted for Kerry...
Hey...20/20 hindsight....wouldn't you have....c'mon Mixed...no love for W is there?
If the choice is Dubya, or Kerry...
It's still the same choice, Ira.
Can't vote for the flipflopper.
You don't like 'em any more that I do, evidently.
lol.
Still doesn't tell me why Romney's a "fringe" candidate, Ira.
Still not getting that.
Help me to understand.
Mixed..
Liked him when he was going through his "sane businessman period".
Dislike this incarnation with it's extreme right wing agenda.
He moves to the center and shows some...balls....and speaks out against the crazies maybe.
Where does he stand on the debt? Haven't heard anything from him that I can remember.
Oh...did you notice that basically only you and I were talking about the markets this morning.
No one is listening.. tick tock.
OK, Ira.
So...tell me.
Among the declared GOP candidates...
Who's "fringe"...?
Who's not?
Anyway...
You're a "tax" guy, Ira...
They've never listened to me on the debt issue.
I'm as surprised as anyone that the President of the United States has been forced to deal with the issue.
I think he'd have been perfectly happy with the status quo, had the 2010 midterms not removed that option, in no uncertain terms..
His initial 2012 budget proposal tells me I'm absolutely right about that, Ira.
Mixed..
Hunstman...I could live with him....the rest are not necessarily fringe but I no like.
Fair enough, Ira.
Be well.
Romney is saying nothing until he get through the primary. He might not make it because of that but I don't see any real challenger, unless Huntsman has something up his sleeve. Bachmann will get the same voters as Huckerbee and so she may push Romney all the way unless she's silenced by the party rallying around the probable nominee quickly. I don't see Perry winning as he would be jumping the line and he is tainted by shrub.
Still hope for my man Chris Christie but I take him at his word that he's not running.....but if he did....
If only someone like Tom Coburn would run...
John Thune would have been a far better candidate than the rest. One small problem, South Dakota isn't large (3 electoral votes).
MB-
as to senator Coburn...
Man crush alert!...:)
Guilty as charged, dangerfield.
To Ira, Alan, Mixed Bag: I was listening gentlemen and very humorous and a lot of truth to it!
Everyone running (for the next presidential election) appears to be crazy.....literally. But as someone said they seem to feel to they have to appeal to the Teabaggers....why? They're a fringe group....a large one but still... And Romney, not sure how his Mormon beliefs, if they are real to him at all (I'm not Mormon btw) allow him to try to "join in" with the evangelicals and TP's.....(same thing in most cases I guess).
Looks like the Obama Economy is failing just about everybody....hope and change!
And the Teatard express's plans widen the gap even more. These jackasses want to sucede from our Society. They want an all-white America of the 1950s, you know, before that pesky civil rights thing came along. Just look at the Jim Crow voting laws being passed in Georgia and other racial hate states.
@islander59
So, you are of the "I've done well before Obama, now I'm not doing so good" camp?
What people like yourself are is self-absorbed hypocrites. If you truly believe that this mess we are in is due to 2.5 years of President Obama, and at the same time ignore the blatant obstructionism that has come from, first the Republican Senate under a Democratic House and Senate Majority and second, the current lunatic fringe infested GOPTP House then I would to you that you're either willfully ignorant of the politics or just plain ole' ignorant.
Sen. McConnell (R) put it best, The number one political priority is to ensure that Obama is a one term President. If that is the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY then it stands to reason that everything, I mean everything that is done by those supporting that position is not in the best interest of America, or in Constitutional terms "We The People", but is instead done in support of the Republican Party's desire to achieve there stated priority.
Now if you're to willfully dense to understand why you're not doing well financially then I suspect you've never voted Democratic in your life, because it is obvious to me that you think being American means "I got mine, screw you", when in fact it means "I am my Brother's Keeper".
The mess started in 1992 when Bush Senior signed NAFTA. The other free trade agreements, wars, bs bailouts, etc only added to the domino effect. This is just the beginning unless our politicians grow up and realize without the people, they are unemployed and will have squat for incomes. If we all become jobless, the government will really be broke then. No jobs = no revenue or taxes to be paid.
Because they know who caused the problem! There are a lot of good people who will stand against hate from the Tea-baggers/Republicans!
All they have to do is look back over the last 10 years and see what Republicans did to the economy and how hard the Democrats are working to fix the mess and of course they will support the President and the Democrats.
That's right Fan. The republicans cut taxes and spent like drunken sailors. To fix this problem the democrats cut taxes even more (by maintaining the Bush tax cuts, cutting the payroll tax and adding credits in the stimulus bill), and spent like drunken sailors on steroids. I dread to think what the next administration will do to fix the mess.
Just the Facts folks…..
National Debt
9/30/2001 $5.8 T Last year of Clinton’s signed budget, Repub House & Senate
9/30/2007 $9.0 T Last year of Repub House & Senate budget
9/30/2010 $13.6 T Dem House & Senate 2007 – 2010, No Budget passed for last couple of years
Debt increase 9/30/2001 – 9/30/2007 $3.2 T
Debt increase 9/30/2007 – 9/30/2010 $4.6 T
TreasuryDirect.gov
Look closely at the last two years and what the Republicans have voted for or agreed to. Since Obama became president they have and continue to have one objective, Obama one term president regardless of who that hurts, which has been the middle class and poor, The rich just continue to get richer and since minorities started out lower there fall has been faster. America moves closer to a two class system which we already broke free of once and looks as if we will need to do it again which is not a pleasant picture to view today vs yesterday. What I do not understand is how the T party can with any real thought support their views when they will suffer the same fate as the rest of us. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot and willingly. What was the chant Keep your hands off my Medicare, Social Security and death panels. Who has gone after those exact things. Republicans, Arizona "death panel" no transplants to save lives, Cantor "Medicare, Social Security. Wake up we are all in Kansas now holy @$@%. Pay attention to the man behind the curtain he is republican and he wants more surfs to mow his grass and tend his sheep.
I get so tired of the media and so called experts; with their racial statistics. Every time there's one it only seem to glorify the whites and bash the minority.
As if there are no poor white people in this country...I have seen a bunch of neighborhoods with poor whites and I seem them every day almost anywhere.
These whites are not invested in the stock market or even know how to spell it for that matter. They live on food stamps, WIC, in run down homes or walk the country road because they don't have vehicles or means to buy one.
It's the media and tv that continues to enforce the stereotype ... poor black people!
When in a ratio aspect ... there are more poor whites in America - I feel sorry that the media and tv tends to forget about them ... hell... blacks are use to being stereotyped and have used it too their advantage.
Poor whites have quietly been forgotten in shame...
Most importantly - POTUS has nothing to do with any of this...this is just a talking point for our sometime shameless MEDIA!
TRUTH - not CRAP
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
Amen Democratic Soldier . . . and good to see you! :o)
Its tragic how the GOP thinks EVERYONE can become a wealthy person. Everyone has a chance, but your odds are only 2% of making that top bracket. They dont want a safety net becauise they believe everyone can be in that 2%.
No wonder the GOP is scared, the % of whites in the US will be < 50% in less than a decade. Better hurry GOP, you only have a limited time to kill Educational, Economic and Social mobility for non-whites before its too late.
Why's that Tom? Worried that whites will be eligible for affirmative action?
Senator Webb had it right. Base eligibility it on income not skin color.
Tim - "No wonder the GOP is scared,"
You mean like they were scared last November?
Since you obviously didn't notice the PEW center who did the "analysis" is Democrat owned and always has been? Did you even realize the obvious bias of almost completely ignoring the results showing Asians doing even better than whites in some regards and better than EVERYONE in stock ownership? Did you notice that middle-easterners who also far well for themselves were completely ignored? Did you notice that skewing of financial data from prison populations and illegal immigrants was barely acknowledged?
If you can't recognize this as politically motived divisive propaganda aimed to further fan the flames of the Dems desperate and repulsive "class warfare" re-election "strategy" then you can't add 2 + 2.
pjam09 - and the poor disillusioned who actually were stupid enough to vote for the GOP now realize they were handed nothing but lies. They won't make that mistake again. The group that is pushing class warfare is the GOP now and always. And, I can do better than add 2+2. My guess is you couldn't add 1+1.
According to whores for lies aka JAS1, all was honkey dorry before January 2010. She's def. a whore for lies!
"Lies and the lying lairs who tell them."
The Democratic Party = Stirring up racial division, since 1861.
"Last week, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) met with Obama and urged him to avoid making cuts to housing assistance or safety net programs, claiming such cuts would disproportionately hurt minorities."
What has disproportionately hurt minorities is Obama's destruction of the private sector economy and 10% unemployment.
And flooding disproportionatly affects those who choose to live near rivers.... maybe they should talk to mother nature and plead for more sun rather than changing their own lives.
How many more millions will give up on the opportunities that U.S citizens have to make more of their lives than voting for the scraps the enabler party promises?
Blacks will vote for Obama, no matter what. The sad truth is that Obama has no motivation whatsoever to do anything other than pay lip service to the plight of minorities in the US.
The fact that Americans support Obama only 42% and that blacks still support him 95% just goes to show you bigotry is a multiple lane two way street.
more2bits - actually over 57% of the US supports Obama and they blame Congress for the problems we face - not him. But it helps your bigotry to believe otherwise.
As a old white woman, worked all my life, pay my taxes, all of them ( no refunds for me), no welfare, no medicade, no food stamps- I will never vote for another republican again as long as I live. Obama has my vote all sewed up. If you are a working class American and vote republican, please know you are the one selling your children and grandchildren into slavery for the good of the corporations and the millionaires and billionaires that own them.
Marty - Don't you realize that the portion of the $14.3 trillion debt owed by the average US household (and their descendents) is over $123,000? And, more importantly it is Obama and the Democrats that are fighting to increase that amount. With all respect Ma'am, I think you have it backwards.
Anda-one-anda-two-anda-three, let's here it for equality!!!
 Minorities still supporting Obama? Minorities must be racists.Â
jrod they still support President Obama because they still believe like that one lady after he got elected that he will pay all there bills for them.
There are 2 kinds of people in this country. The poor or 50% of the people. And those who are going to be poor. I tell you mr grover's gop, birther, & tea party shadow govt funded by ussr petro dollars will make this country look like russia in the days of the czars.
Kannin and more2bits,
Rightfully, African Americans are proud that President Obama is the first African American President. The fact that they are loyal to him should come as no suprise, just as my parents, Catholics both, (although strong Republicans) were both very supportive of John Kennedy, the first (and only) Catholic President of the United States. It's a bit of a reach to call that bigotry, call it justifiable pride if you like.
" proud that President Obama is the first African American President"
Admitting that race is what they are focused on and NOT calling it racism - only from the mind of liberal. Hypocrisy at it's pinnacle.
Another hypocritical liberal... you people are a dime a dozen.
pjam09,
I'm about as conservative as you can get, even though I live in the very blue state of California. Recognizing African American pride in the President because he is an African American isn't racism, merely an acknowledgement that it has been a long struggle for equality, and perhaps, this more than anything else ever could, reflects equality.
He is also half white and doesn't give a damn about the plight of minorities! You fools are being used and can't even see it. He is an incompetent, elitist, hypocrite who paid only 26% taxes this year with every deduction available. How do you like that "shared sacrifice" now?!
LA - I'm not making judgements here. It's just that, in the complex calculus of winning elections, politicians can afford to ignore the needs of any group whose allegiance will remain fixed. Let me emphasize again, ANY group: from neo-nazis to Black Panthers. If their opinion is fixed and nothing will change it, that is exactly what politicians will do for them - nothing.
Living in L.A.
If you want equality, you work for it and earn what you get. Stop sitting there with your hand out. Obama is only making people more dependent on the state and feds to support them. The working person has to make his/her own safety net because it sure isn't going to be given to them.
We have been supporting all the loafers to long. now it's time they started supporting themselves.
Get Obama out of the White House so the taxpayers can have equal rights too.
Kannin,
Agreed, they can and do ignore folks that are definitely in one column or the other. Take a look at California, no one bothers to campaign here, but they sure do come for the money (both sides). 55 Electoral votes, roughly 20% of the votes necessary to win the presidency, and nobody campaigns here? There's a proposal in California that they change the distribution of votes to the winner of the respective Congressional Districts, and award the two Senate votes to the winner of the popular vote in the state. I'm thinking that would change the calculus a bit, maybe force one or two (non-monetary)visits at any rate.
Rangewolf, not sure if that's a blanket statement, or directed specifically at me.
No handouts on my part, been employed by the same firm for the better part of two decades. I'm a firm believer in working hard, and keeping what you work for. No expectation on my part that Social Security will fund my retirement, I fund it myself, if SS is available when I retire, then that's gravy for my mashed potatoes.
.... and feed Rangewolf to the wolves. I'd gladly throw you in a foxhole with a frag. Hell, maybe if you lived for some odd reason.. you might apply for VA benefits. I would love to be the person declining that application. To the streets you go.. with cardboard sign in hand.
And yet these minorities aren't racist? Yeah, ok. I guess we can only hope that all the white people vote AGAINST Obama next year. After all, we're all going to have the race card thrown at us anyway, so who gives a flying f?
Sean -3072161 ... when did anyone say minorities are not racist? Hell I don't think any American should be racist. But I had to choose from the pool of who deserve to be a racist.
It would certainly be minorities... that opinion is based on the history of this country and how minorities were treated - i.e. SLAVERY, SEGRAGATION; HANGINGS, INJUSTICE - remember? if not read about and educate yourself.
Now - all of a sudden folks like you - think all is forgotten.
Could be forgiven maybe - but never forgotten...and when people try to bring minorities back to that times of old (GOP/TP) agendas and policies...rest assured...there will be prejudices of a different kind for a different time.
TRUTH - not CRAP
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
*SIGH*
It's quite a leap of illogic to say that blacks support Obama because he's black therefore blacks are racists. Racism and bigotry both are founded in hatred and fear. Obama's support in the black community is founded in pride---that a black man is in the White House, and he's not a cook, a janitor or a landscaper, he's the President of the United States. Black folks my age (50) and older basically could not imagine that an American of African descent would be elected to the highest political office in the land in our lifetimes. Even though Obama isn't actually "a son of slaves," if you're not African-American you might not be able to grasp how big it is to those of us who "are," that "one of us" made it so far. Hatred of whites has very little to do with this.
And yeah, I remember that Obama is half-white. Great! But show me a black person in America who's descended from slaves, and I'll show you someone who doesn't have to dig too deep to find white folks in his or her family tree...
Now, can a minority be a bigot? Absolutely. How about a racist? Sure, why not---I'll concede the point, even though I was taught this: a bigot is someone who doesn't like, and won't socialize, with someone based on race (etc.), whereas a racist also has the power to keep that person from getting a job, a mortgage, a business loan, etc.
Perhaps the above is splitting hairs to you. Must be nice to have lived a lilfe free of having to learn things like this in the first place...
Some people "deserve" to be racists? That's a new one. Sounds like a new entitlement program ready to happen.
Voters should support politicians doing a good job. This guy is clearly in over his head. Yet, minorities still support him. Really stupid.
Nothing like voting against your own interests even if it means you have to TRY HARDER TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS!!!!!
This article seems to infer that Obama is somehow responsible for the widened gap and minorities support him in spite of it. More irresponsible journalism.
During Reagan, minorities incomes rose 30% faster than whites. Google it
That is patently false. the last time minorities felt slightly comfortable was under Clinto and then he signed all those free trade agreements . Jobs left by the millions and Bush Lite made it worse. Reagan was poison for minorities. Read about it sometimes.
Maybe the gap is so wide because more whites work for a living while more blacks rely on state and federal handouts. Obama is a food stamp president and watches out for his brothers and sisters. If you want to continue supporting the welfare programs, food stamps, housing, utility assistance, free medical, school breakfasts and lunches and all the freebies, vote for Obama. He is taking away from the elderly and giving to those that are too lazy to work but demand to have things others have to work for.
Now he wants more money so the illegal aliens or (undocumented workers, as he likes to call them) can become citizens and vote for him. It is all about him being re-elected then he will be able to kick back and enjoy four more years of vacations at the taxpayers expense. Haven't you had enough already?
Oh, brother...not this crap again...you wouldn't know the facts about a subject if they ran up and bit you in the ass, would you...
...move along...just another emotional, ideological outburst...nothing to see here...
Mickey
Get a job. Your mom, dad and the taxpayers are fed up with your mooching. When reality sets in and your welfare checks have stopped we don't want to hear your whining.
Rangewolf: could you try to say something intelligent for once? I'm sure you'll feel better.
OMG!!!! Not the Reagan "Welfare Queen" Presidential Campaign Schtick AGAIN!!!!!!!!
Rangewolf, I'm sure you could do better than that.
But then again, that's all you Conservatives have.
Rangersheep
You are the perfect reason why incest is illegal.
I bet you are a good old God fearing Christian right? How ignorant and what a big fool you are, wish you could see the non working Whites in my neighborhood who collect FS, utility assistance, free medical, school breakfasts and lunches and all the freebies!
Rangewolf, it got worse because there were no regulations. Blacks helped to build this nation for no pay while the lazy slave owners sipped mint juleps and chased slave women around the plantation. If you've been to the capitol, we built that too. There is still a lot of institutional racism going on. If you don't know that I feel sorry for you. You haven't seen one black man on tv complaining about his plight, not even Obama.He's shown the patience and composure of Jackie Robinson. He's proven over and over again that he cares about the plight of the American people. Businesses are not only biased against blacks these days, they are discriminating against everyone who is not a millionaire. I'm sure you probably don't even realize that. Poor thing.