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Subscribe to RSSAlthough the debate over the debt ceiling is far from over, a new CBS News poll shows that no one is winning -- but one side is certainly losing: congressional Republicans.
According to the survey, a whopping 71% disapprove of their handling of the debt-ceiling negotiations, versus 58% who say that about congressional Democrats and 48% who say that about President Obama.
From the network's write up of their poll:
Americans are unimpressed with their political leaders' handling of the debt ceiling crisis, with a new CBS News poll showing a majority disapprove of all the involved parties' conduct, but Republicans in Congress fare the worst, with just 21 percent backing their resistance to raising taxes.
President Obama earned the most generous approval ratings for his handling of the weeks-old negotiations, but still more people said they disapproved (48 percent) than approved (43 percent) of what he has done and said... Approval drops to 31 percent for the Democrats in Congress, and only 21 percent of the people surveyed said they approved of Republicans' handling of the negotiations, while 71 percent disapprove.
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What do you expect from a Party that just wants to
1. Eliminate the Federal Government
2. Eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and just about every middle class Social Safety net
3. Want to cut Education
4. And continue to redistribute more wealth and power to the 2% at the expense of the other 98%
The GOP/TP is lost and the American people know it as the polls show. They have nothing to offer America and they will pay for their ideology come 2012.
FR: Would you mind sending these poll numbers to Boehner and Cantor. I'm assuming they can read words and numbers. But I'm not assuming they will change their tactics. Yep, it's party first and country second. Place the country's economy in peril if need be.
Soggy Tea brains don't listen. god Norquist and cronies have their souls.
If a possibility of a default happens, then the first payments that don't get made should be that for the paychecks of the congress and their staffs.
The Treasury should make it known now that they'll be the first affected. Two can play this hostage game.
They need to know that you only get paid when you do your job.
I'm hope that Grover Norquist and his gang go down. They are crooks.
US Navy, may I add:
5) Republicans have been shown to be total and complete frauds when it comes to cutting the deficit, leaving $4 trillion in deficit cuts on the table so they can save some trivial tax deductions such as the corporate jet loophole.
6) Republicans will fold like a cheap suit sometime in the next two weeks, going along with whatever Reid and McConnell give them.
7) Republicans do get an atta boy for focusing on what is really important to the American people with their valiant effort to save the incandescent light bulb.
CBS is still in business?
JoAnnaSmith1
that's because they're not owned by Rupert Murdoch.......that scandalous Faux News, your news station, about to go to jail owner. Just stay tuned.
A scheduling question. Will this trial be before or after the Bush/Cheney trial?
And I don't watch Fox. But obviously you do. Enjoy!
Since poor JS1 is incapable of 'multi-tasking', Fox has to e-mail her the talking points instead!
Rather sad when you think about it! lol
Poor Navy et al.
Blue has lost. The narrative is simply how big the government will be. This of course is not the narrative Blue [or it's number one man Obama] wants. It is however the narrative they are stuck with, and it is a losing one for them.
Exit question for Navy, Pius, job1 or any other lib out there - why has blue failed so badly in the inner cities?
What's blue-r than Detroit? What city is in worse shape? They still talking about leveling whole areas?
Oh and bye the bye - this was a top notch poll. Only slightly weighed in favor of blue. But that's what you get from a top notch news source like CBS.
And come on Pius- rich folk never go to jail. You know that.
JoAnnaSmith1
That lie is obvious.....common JSA1. So, where do you get your "talking point" from because they're simply unique to faux news. OR should I ask you what newspaper you read? The Post?
Hiya, Spank!
We got another good one going today.
First Thoughts has been a hoot!
Lets take a look. From a news organization point of view I get news from CNN, ABC, Forbes, LA Times, Dallas Morning News, Investor Business Daily, the Chicago Tribune, National Journal, Salon, Politico, Real Clear Politics, Washington Post, Bloomberg, Washington Times, New York Times, the BBC, Roll Call, the Hill, CNBC, Daily Kos, and the Economist, just to name a few.
Columnists include Michael Barone, Maureen Dowd, Ellen Goodman, Wes Pruden, Peggy Noonan, Andrew Sullivan, Mort Zuckerman, Mona Charen, Susan Estrich, Paul Krugman, Lou Dobbs, and Thomas Sowell, just to name a few.
And you?
I dunno Mixed - looks like more of the same.
Question for Pius - what exactly is a "talking Point?" I tend to agree with like minded people. If we express our commonly shared ideas are those talking points?
I don't have a problem from withholding pay from the Congressmen as most of them are self-interested millionaires to start with. But their staff's should not be penalized for their bosses idiocy. Most of the staff are relatively low paid and are working to support constituents in their home district.
What's more is that the whole republican plan does virtually nothing to actually address the deficit as almost all of the cuts are then given away as tax breaks to the wealthiest 2% and corporate interests. The CBO has lready stated that their plan would not balance the budget until 2060 which is about the time my kids will reach eligibility for what - who knows. Given the Republicans plans there will be no Social Security, no Medicare, or any other of the safety net programs that have been put in place over the past four generations. I'm sorry but I want my kids and grand-kids to live in a society that does not resemble the pre- Social security era when most elderly either lived in abject poverty or with their kids.
Spanky, going after my beloved Detroit.....
Home of some of the worst corruption in the country, a 47% illiteracy rate, formmer Councilwoman Martha Reeves (yes of the Vandellas), convicted felon former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick (he gets out next month by the way), Convicted Felon Councilwoman Monica Conyers (Congressman John Conyers wife who claims he barely knows her).
And yes, seems the best way to fix things in Detroit is to "shrink" the city. In other words demolish as much as possible and get people in blighted neighborhoods to move closer together. Concentrate all the crack houses in one place, see.
A true bastion of Democratic Priorities for decades now. A pillar of the Democratic way of life.
Odd, not a single libbie chose to take up the cause and fight for the Blue wasteland known as Detroit.
Take heart White Collar - I live in an entire state dominated by Blue. And as you can see, like it did for you, Blue is working out fantastically here in Cali.
So just what can Blue do for you?
And hey, where the heck is Bev.? I hear Al Sharpton is going to be the next highly rated talker on the comedy line up at MSNBC. Seems like that should be mandatory viewing for all students of the English Language.
SPANKY
"If we express our commonly shared ideas are those talking points?"
But unwavering ideas. How about that. because that's the problem....you know.
JASI has given me an assignment. I need to go through her list of informants.
JASI, you read and listen all these..........and still come short? Just don't add up.
Pius - why is that a problem. There are certain things that are true. For instance my belief in gravity is unwavering. When I tell someone it exists is that a talking point?
Or like I think it's wrong to borrow $.42 of every dollar spent. Talking point? Cause I have to tell you my position on that is unwavering. Same with that the government should not spend more than it takes in and that it should not waste what it gets. Oh and one of my favorites - the government should do everything it can to take as little of my money as possible. Yep, unwavering. Funny thing is I bet you feel the same way.
Talking points? Well at least you are not unwavering on anything.
She went to St. Louis this past weekend looking to hook up with the LibsRUs gang.
Uh-huh, JoAnna...just as I suspected.
All right-wing rags...all right-wing commentary.
Remember...
Here, some consider Howard Fineman to be a conservative.
You aren't fooling Pius for a New York minute.
Come up short how PEN? Or are you a "David Walker Wannabee" where you're critical of others, without having one single idea of your own? On the plus side, at least you're not long-winded like David. You're able to say nothing in less words than Davey.
I've been thinking of adding Think Progress to my Favorites list. Maybe make it my home page, just like Navy Disabled.
BS, JoAnnaSmith1! If you read all those materials you'd have a more balanced viewpoint of politics other than the anti-Obama, anti-Democrat vomitus you regurgitate with relative ease. And with all that knowledge you'd think you and your merry band of "well-read" luminaries would be able to influence Caribou Barbie to consult at least two of those publications on a regular basis. But, alas, to quote one of your bright bulbs, "YOU LIE"! No. You're probably the mom of a middle schooler who's simply copying the available publications for sale from your kid's PTO fund-raiser catalog! Pathetic troll!
Republicans walked away from the President's Grand Bargain of spending cuts and tax reforms just so they could tell their base they thumbed their noses at Obama. They hate him more than they hate owing China, and ordinary Americans are noticing.
This is rich. I've been called a liar, and somehow Sarah Palin got dragged into the conversation.
What, no attack on Michele Bachmann?
You lefties are really slipping.
What "Grand Bargain" was that? What were Obama's plans to reform the entitlements? Obama said "He didn't want to get into specifics", but you must be an insider Am and have that detailed information. So what exact plan did the GOP walk away from Amy? Or do you not do "specifics" either?
JAS1
"You're able to say nothing in less words than Davey."
OK....in those less words, with all you read and listen to, one would expect a more balanced opinions. Still, this doesn't add up. Try evaluating this without help from unrepentant MIXED BAG and unwavering SPANKY.......LOL
Oh, don't be ridiculous, First Read.
No one believes in these silly old polls, anyway. Everyone knows that the American people are solidly behind the victoriously victorious Republicans who swept victoriously into office last November on their clearly stated victory pledge to cut Social Security and Medicare, end all abortions, kill NPR funding, repeal environmental protections, abolish the minimum wage, put two chickens in every pot, and ...
... what was that, again?
Oh, yes. Jobs.
Oh, you expect that. Interesting. Will you also be moderating the Left-side to meet your same "balanced" expectations?
Dear MAD in CT -- Please don't call JoAnna Smith a liar. I'm sure she always means well. Her last post to me over on the First Thoughts thread clearly demonstrates that she's full of ... good will ... and has a truly amiable personality.
Let her own words speak for her. By her words shall the truth be known.
They really need no embellishment from any of us.
Unrepentant...
UNREPENTANT...?
Why, I never, Pious...er, I mean Pius...
lol
Anna Molly's super secret wish towards me: " I wish I knew how to quit you!!"
TO: JoAnnaSmith1 who wrote:
"CBS is still in business?"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What did you think, when Charlie Sheen left he closed down the whole network?
LOL. The show must go on!
Sorry Charlie, and HELLO Ashton! (Yummy eye candy.)
Hey Anna Molly, How was the class?
Hope you conveyed to all those "entrepreneur's" that they are pretty much screwed.
Hopefully they were all planning on starting "Green" businesses. Lots of Government money in that, you know.
I think the GOP's also working on the meaning of existence and perpetual motion in their spare time, Anna Molly...
Jobs...?
Jobs are tough...the economic policies of the Obama Administration constitute one heck of a headwind, don't they, AM?
Why Don`t you move Spanky you hate libs so much, move to Texas.
It was great, and thanks for asking, although it was raining a little and VERY humid when I drove down to campus.
I didn't have to. Their regular professor had already done that, but he told them to keep their chins up, anyway.
These are actually more high-tech start-up businesses, working on more mundane things like, you know, curing cancer and diabetes and such. The only "green" they worry about IS money.
Don't flatter yourself. That was for Bag Boy.
When you create the conditions that make it so, as Republicans have done, yes indeed, they do.
Help me out here... WHO was it that famously said 'deficits DON'T matter?
I do believe his name starts with a 'D' and rhymes with 'slick'...
Well Anna Molly, curing cancer is surely a noble ambition.
Tell you what, even though many here have said I wouldn't, if President Obama came up with a cure for cancer all by himself, I would most surely vote for him in 2012.
Are you still struggling with the Ignore function Annie? Starting to get the impression that it was your technical incompetence that left the barn door open into the LibsRUs Chronicles. You can quit me Annie, you just have to try. Truly.
Why should I?
After all, you're the only source I have for the truth.
Besides Bag Boy and Albany Joe, I mean. (I like to triangulate and such.)
But I really DO ignore you, JoAnna, and then you go and start something like you did at First Thoughts this morning.
Not MY fault. Blame it on George W. Bush.
Because you said you would. Or did you forget that fact? It was more than 30 minutes ago, so that is a possibility. Or do you regularly not do what you say you're going to do?
I never said I would ignore you sweetie. Truly.
Sorry I missed this earlier, Navy. The answer is too easy -- nothing.
Oh, I know THAT. And I never asked you to.
By the way, all I ever said is that I'm done with you. Done. Done. Done.
I never said I would "ignore" you.
And no matter how much you want me to, I won't.
KathyK - so what does the CBO project out for the lefts plan??
Could it be that they haven't done that projection on the lefts plan because obama and company haven't provided them with any numbers to work from??
As far as your comment of...
Do you really think that obamas plan of controlling costs alone will work? Or that the top 2 % wage earners will just bend over everytime obama says "come on, just a little more"
You are right of course, SS, medicare/medicaid and any other safety net programs will look far different than how they look today regardless of political party.
Yep.....but will FOX? The Rupert chickens are coming home to roost. Fixed News is on its way out...Harumph!!
Yet still...the GOP has no Job Solutions.
Spanky,
Most of the problems of California can be laid at the feet of voters like you who voted for the idiocy of all those propositions that reduced the state governments ability to manage its finances. Starting with Prop 13, followed by the Gann Initiative, school and prison funding initiatives, return of the rainy day fund, etc., so limited the capability of the state to prioritize funding, raise revenues, and react to economic downturns the current situation was inevitable. Unfortunately, they are now locked into the state constitution and will be a structural barrier that will leave California an economic basket case well after the rest of the nation recovers.
I still own property in Caifornia, but will never return.
Spanky,
Most of the problems of California can be laid at the feet of voters like you who voted for the idiocy of all those propositions that reduced the state governments ability to manage its finances. Starting with Prop 13, followed by the Gann Initiative, school and prison funding initiatives, return of the rainy day fund, etc., so limited the capability of the state to prioritize funding, raise revenues, and react to economic downturns the current situation was inevitable. Unfortunately, they are now locked into the state constitution and will be a structural barrier that will leave California an economic basket case well after the rest of the nation recovers.
I still own property in Caifornia, but will never return.
Well. theBush tax cuts didnt work for Detroit. Neither did the 'easy credit' home ownwrship policy of Bush nor the perpetuation of low-to-no regulation or even No Chiild left Behind. Or the And if the GOP had their way, Detroit wouldnt have no more car industry or the huindreds of thousands of jobs that support it.
BUt the Obama Auto bailout did save over 100,000 jobs and GM is #1 in sales and America still has automakers.
And I dare you to go to Detroit and call anyone there 'blue waste'. That would be amusing. Its funny when the GOP is losing an argiment with the American independant voters, they have such a kneejerk to blame the poor, the disabled, the elderly and now the middle class and American cities.
How would you save Detroit? Oh wait, that would imply you have a SOLUTION.
It's obvious to all that this is a loss for Republicans perhaps more serious than the LAST time they shut down the government. The only thing still in question is HOW MUCH they lose, which will be determined by two things 1) How long Conservatives continue to Kabuki dance instead of doing the real business of government and 2) How badly they'll be punished by their base for doing the real business of government instead of a Kabuki dance.
Anna Molly and JoAnna: Come on girls cut the bickering, get a room! Scheesch!
I learned in a history class that the Salem witch trials were the reason the founding fathers wanted church/state separation. They felt the religious were just too emotional to be able to govern in a just way.
Now the republican party are claiming to be conservatives while trying to circumvent the will of the founding fathers. All these T-vangicals being called by God to destroy our nation of 200 years just so they can push their morals on us.
Thanks republicans just another mess you have gotten us into.
This is ridiculous. No matter what, if you control a vast majority of money, you will always have tons of money. If Republicans let this default go through, interest rates will go up like crazy. Those with money shift their money into the secondary mortgage market, and make money off of interest rates from loans. It doesn't matter to them what happens, because they just shift their money into whatever investment makes them the most money. There will be very little effect on that top 2%, whatever happens, they will be fine. The rest, however, will just be in utter misery, like we have been for a while. If tax loopholes aren't cut, or tax cuts are not ended, its just another way the rich just keep OUR money. Yes, its OUR money, because if it wasn't for us buying their products they wouldn't have OUR money.
Look at where the rich are going now. To agriculture. They are buying up farms, left and right, because they know food commodities are going to go up. So, there will be a higher need for food, and then they can squeeze us out of even more money. Open your eyes, take a look at what the hell is going on, on all fronts.
Those "bonuses"? Think about it. With vacation pay, sick pay, retirement, etc, for every $1 million dollars in bonuses collected, was enough money to keep up to15 people employed, with a decent salary. 15 people. How many billions of dollars in bonuses have gone out? For every billion, up to 15,000 people could be employed, with a decent salary and benefits package. Now think about how many other people are employed because those 15,000 people per billion? They are stealing money, left and right, because they are perfectly able to, and there is very little protection from it. Close these loopholes, and no more tax cuts.
Better take a Dramamine now - the spinning on these #'s bound to get you dizzy! lol
I mean, seriously, did ANYONE believe the Party of Just Say NO was going to come out on top of this?
I also, saw a article over the weekend that stated Independents are FED UP with the right wing BS!
By all means, Cantor & Boehner do carry on - it's such a 'winning' strategy! ;o)
I think this gem from Feisty really highlights the fact that libbies just don't get it, have no idea what the fight is about, and clearly are only capable of seeing the small skirmishes.
I defy any libbie to formulate a factual scenario whereby conservatives lose the debt ceiling battle. All this debate is blue/Obama winning? Ah, no. Not a chance. Yet the old gal 1. can't see that, and 2. will, no matter what happens claim blue won. Absolutely ignorant and more than a little sad.
Regardless of the size, nature or extent of any cuts, the amount of any ceiling increase the focus is on the debt, deficit and budgets. Reform is the new entitlement.
Again, I do so hate to repeat myself but blue has lost. It is not if, but what to cut.
But maybe Feisty can direct us to one of Obama's platforms that talked about cuts and reform to entitlements.
Everyone ( and I mean everyone ) will spin whatever the result as a "win". However, the end result is that the deficit will not be cut, so for those deficit hawks who want to see the deficit slashed ( waves to Tea party ), well...you'll get a numbers game that equates to much-adoo about nothing.
The only chance to actually get something done was the "grand deal" that Obama and Boehner were discussing. Everything else is trash for the cameras.
If this grandstanding was all politicas ( and I do believe it is ), can you say that the Republicans have garnered additional independent voters? Everyone knows that the card-carrying Republicans, will vote red, and the card-carrying Democrats will vote blue.
The independents my friend Spanky, are not on the side of the team that wants to "clog the toilet". We want jobs. And we don't see how not reducing the deficit - after telling us for a entire YEAR that the cutting the deficit was the most important and critical way to prosperity - and then NOT reducing the deficit is a winnable strategy.
If the Republicans REALLY wanted to win this sthing, you would give Obama his debt-limit increase and campaign on how the economy sucks even when Obamas has a blank check. Instead, the Rebuplican position is "No deficit reduction" and "No new taxes"....wonderful.
Bigger picture Pablo is going forward government spending will go down because everyone is now focusedon the debt.
That is the "win." The winners are tax payers, not political parties.
Plus government does not create anything, especially not jobs.
with the obama tax cuts ending in 2013, it will be interesting to see if the rating agencies will consider that revenue as being adequate in addressing our medium and long term debt reductions or if they still downgrade us because of an ever increasing debt load.
What the poll clearly shows is that everyone involved, to some degree, is going to be held accountable. No politician is going unscathed and none should be.
HAHAHA!
Did you sprain anything swerving to the 'middle' kirby? LMFAO!
Feisty =
I just have a healthy disprespect for all political animals, left, middle and right. Any I have no respect for any of the participants in this charade.
From the same poll you linked to above:
"Even half of the Republican respondents (51 percent) voiced disapproval of how members of their own party in Congress are handling the talks."
But hey, expect even more silly posturing for the cameras this week about how "we're just doing what REAL American people want us to do". I wonder if any of them have ever actually met any real American people?
JoAnne, what you don't understand is that 51% is upset that the Republicans may sign on for Tax Hikes.
WC,
Wrong 68% to 80% want the tax hikes on the top 2%.
Also, 54 % blame W Bush. and 27% blame President Obama. Nice.
White collar auto: Are you sure about the Tax Hikes disapproval? I think most of us are sick of the rich not paying their fair share and corporations not paying any taxes. Corporations freely pay tax in other countries but not to the country that protects their "freedom". Go figure! It is hard to buy made in the U.S.A. Eventually, though, you can look to the day when U.S. wages will be the lowest in the world and manufacturing will return. Hope "freedom" still exists in the U.S.
Which is it, 68 or 80? It's known you Libs have to concoct a "80% agree the rich should be taxed" lie because Obama said so in one of his daily propaganda meetings with the media last week. So you somehow you have to come up with that number.
But what would the poll numbers look like when a question like "Will you agree to have YOUR taxes raised to preserve Social Security and Medicare?" We'll see how many do-gooder self-proclaimed Liberals will answer "Yes" to that question.
WC:
You are full of Bull. Last several polls had 74% or better Americans (with over 60% republicans) that are ok with raising the taxes on the top 2%, which is reinforced by virtually every economist republican and democrat.
Your constant lies everyday are getting boring you better get some new material, you're stale.
White Collar -
As I've noted before, if I haven't learned anything else in 42 years of working in market research, it's that anyone can spin the results any way they want - it's like Simon & Garfunkle said about promises in that song "The Boxer" - ".....all lies and jest; still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".
But nevertheless, let's play along - so you're saying that the 51% of Republicans who disapprove of their own party in this dance are doing so because they're afraid they're going to cave in and sign on for tax hikes.
If that were the case, I'd have expected that 51% to be way higher, wouldn't you? Are we saying then that the other 49% of Republicans actually WANT tax hikes? No, of course not. That's the jest part.
P.S. to JoAnna - Can't speak for anyone else, but that would be a "Yes" from THIS "do-gooder self-proclaimed liberal". I will if you will!
Polls are neat Navy, but facts are facts.
And the fact is Obama knew better than to raise taxes on the rich. Why was that Navy? Whhy did he come out after and say it was a bad idea in a recession to do that?
Navy, you are aware we are still in a recession, right?
Well JoAnne, I'll concede that all 51% don't feel that way about tax increases if you'll concede that many of them do.
Navy, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it's a lie. Get over yourself, dude.
BTW Navy, how is Recovery Summer II working out for you?
Sandy - Just how much is a "Fair Share"? I see you Libs throw that term around a lot, but I have no idea how much that is? 100%?????
Oh no White Collar - if Navy does not agree with it, or you cite a poll that is not in line with his opinions it has to be a lie.
What are you new here? Come on libbies refute fact and argument by crying about lies. Then when that does not work they escalate. Take our man Navy. He likes to go straight to calling you a Brown Shirt/Nazi or if that won't work, a cyber-bully.
Good times, right?
Love is Blind Spanky. What else could it be?
Actually, Everyone with a brain knows that the Republican-Tea Party are the Brown Shirt/Nazi. Just read and study what the Social Conservatives stand for.
JAS 1
"Which is it, 68 or 80? It's known you Libs have to concoct a "80% agree the rich should be taxed" lie because Obama said so in one of his daily propaganda meetings with the media last week. So you somehow you have to come up with that number."
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That number is the range of all of the different polls 68% to 80% That's pretty easy to understand.
job1 are you cyber-bullying me?
"Everyone with a brain knows..." Gosh I just can't tell you how many closing arguments I have started off using that exact terminology.
So job1 - you were obviously captain of the debate team, right?
But do tell, where can I find and read about fiscal conservatives? Those guys are cool.
Hey Job1 Guess what?
I took a poll of 100 people here at work in Michigan and 99% wanted taxes raised on people who live in Ohio.
Turns out one guy drives in from Toledo.
Well obviously that guy did not have a brain.
Gosh who isn't for raising taxes? It's Blue's way.
Just do your research. You would be surprised. Facts are facts.
White Collar -
Since you made a concession, then I'll certainly concede that at least some (sorry, I can't quite stretch it to "many") of your 51% disapprove of their own party's actions for the reasons you cite.
So now that we're making progress.....would you be willing to concede that in a similar fashion, many of the polls indicating how many Americans supposedly disapproved of the Affordable Healthcare Reform Act also included a number of people (like me) whose disapproval wasn't that it went too far but that it didn't go far enough?
Hey, we're negotiating here! Isn't this fun? Congress should try it sometime! :)
I'll tell you what JoAnne, I'll agree with your assertion about Health Care and as a caveat, I will no longer quote any polls on this site, because upon further reflection, I have come to the conclusion that anyone can get a poll to say anything they want it to say if they ask the questions a certain way. (I use my poll about taxes on Ohio residents as an example)
I have been guilty of it, but I think this site is way too full of people quoting polls. We all know only one matters and that is a year and a half away.
The question is unconditional JoAnne. Do you want to give up, say, 5% additional of your pay to fund Social Security in its current form? What about 3% more of your pay to fund Medicare? PA is fairly broke, so you won't mind a hike in the state income and sales tax too, correct.
You Libs are for your government, so you all better be prepared to chip in your own money when it's failing. Instead though, we get this "tax the other guy" mantra from you. Hypocrites.
White Collar -
I can't promise I'll never quote another one - hey, after 42 years, they're in my DNA by now - but on your last point, we are 110% in agreement. See you at THE poll!
JoAnna -
I just said in plain English that I'm willing to pay more in taxes if it'll help solve the crisis this country is in. In your words, I'm prepared to chip in. Me. Myself. I. Are you? No? Then would you care to explain how that makes ME a hypocrite?
No you didn't. You had a conditional on it. "I will if you will" you said. That's a conditional JoAnne.
Depends. I guess to find out we can expect you to reprimand other Libs when they say "Tax the rich!!" with your own statement like "Oh no, we Liberals want big government, so we all must be willing to pay our fair share and not depend on others to do so."
Looking forward to your new "Liberals are responsible to pay for big government" point of view.
Oh, now I get it, JoAnna - and geez, it was so obvious, why didn't I see it before? It's only the poor and the middle class who collect Social Security and Medicare! We're the only ones who want clean air to breathe and safe drugs to take and safe food to eat and safe working conditions. We're the only ones who drive on the highways and bridges and use the National Parks. We're the only ones who need a military to fight our battles. We're the only ones whose kids attend public schools. So OF COURSE we should pay for it all ourselves! OMG, how could I have been such a hypocrite??? Damn you, my fellow libs! I call on each and every one of you to apologize right now and to stop picking on the already over-burdended rich. It's OUR fair share, not theirs!!!
Oh, and since you brought up the economy here in PA, JoAnna - we wouldn't need to even think about raising the sales tax or the state income tax if our governor wasn't so hell bent on being the only state in the country that refuses to tax the natural gas extracting corporations who are raking in billions and billions of dollars for raping our environment with their fracking in the Marcellus Shale. Funny how even his own legislature is getting nervous about having to defend that in the next elections and is urging him to impose some sort of a tax. Oops, I mean a "fee" - they just can't use the dreaded "t" word. Ah, well.....I guess it's just us poor and middle class who drink the water, so of course we shouldn't expect them to pay a tax to help clean it up. I mean a fee. I mean, think what hypocrites THAT would make us!
To All You Loons Who Rail Against Big Gov't:
Everybody, even those recently minted Tea Party ignoramuses, just love to rag on the "big government". So tell us, what the hell should the government exist for? Just to issue gun permits? Should the big, bad government not make COLA increases for anyone receiving entitlements anywhere or not take the increasing costs of goods and services it pays for into consideration when preparing a budget? Should the government stay out of the tax business altogether and simply let everyone including corporations contribute to the federal reserve on some honor system? Should government remain uninvolved in regulating food, drugs, air, integrity in financial dealings, aviation, environmental pollution, interstate commerce, crime, roads/bridges, etc.? Or should their role be strictly limited to denying abortions under any circumstance and feeding the war apparatus?
You neanderthals that view everything through the prism of Gover's inane pledge really need to extricate your head from his porky nether orifice and appreciate this simple axiom: s**t costs money! And when you are hell bent on reducing government to a level that renders it incapable of doing anything meaningful to sustain itself or its people, you are becoming dangerously close to creating the wonderful trappings of anarchy favored by tourist hot spots like Somalia, Haiti or La Republica Banana de los Estados Unidos!
Uh-ohh, Mad in CT.....we both mentioned food, drugs, environmental pollution, AND roads and bridges - within like 10 minutes of each other! Just so I'll be prepared, can you remind me where we got those, ummm, "talking points" from today? And don't even try to pretend we each came up with them on our own! :)
job1 - your verbal tactics are the same as used by the national socialist to gain control in the 30's.
I thinkk the Tea Party needs to have moving vans show up at their front doors - with their parents and parent's belongings, just so they can get a taste of the economy as they envision it.
Well two-thirds called for a balanced approach (cuts/revenue) in last weeks Qpac poll. They didn't listen of course. They only listen to the "Real Americans" which is now comprised of less than 25% of the population.
Which is about the same percentage they'll see at the polls in 2012...
Coincidentally, this coincides with the 25% approval rating that Congressional Republicans are currently receiving.
Revenue? No problem...as long as it doesn't call for increased taxes on anyone....grow the economy & the revenues will go up...proven time and time again. Raising taxes decreases revenue...again...proven over and over. Also...for everyone squawking about corporate taxes, quit posting here as you are wasting everyone's time. Corporations don't pay taxes, no matter how high you make them. Consumers of the corporate product or service pay those taxes. They are built into the price. If you wish to tax corporate profits without hurting the consumer or limiting corporate expansion and hence hiring, then tax the profits when the shareholder receives them as dividends.
People in America know whats going on, we aren't that stupid, at least not all of us. Election time can't come soon enough.
It's no surprise.
The GOP House passed Ryan's budget that actually increases the debt by $338 billion over the next 10 years and doesn't result in a balanced budget until 2040.
Now, the GOP House will vote on a balanced budget amendment, but every single one of them refuses to say how they would get there.
Then, there is Senator McConnell wanting to not cut anything and saying the GOP shouldn't do anything. Even worse, he has told America for 2 years that businesses will not hire if they are uncertain what Washington will do. He has said, all legislation should be permanent. What does Senator McConnel introduce last week, a bill that businesses have called shameful, because it requires a vote every few months.
Compare that with President Obama's debt commission the reduces the debt by $4 trillion over the next 10 years and produces a balanced budget 4 years earlier than Ryan's budget. In addition, the debt commission doesn't end Medicare as we know it.
When the credit agencies and businesses are saying the GOP's positions are bad for all Americans, it's no wonder that polls are showing that Americans are blaming the GOP.
San
Yes, and the Healthcare Reform Act the Democrats passed, which the House Republicans want to stall or repeal, is slated to lower the federal deficit by 130 billion within the first ten years. Not many Americans, who are mislead by FOX and the Republicans, know that HCR actually lowers the deficit.
You know Amy, no matter how many times you repeat this post it will not make it true.
I suspect that not many know it's true cause it simply is not.
But you keep running up that hill.
Amy
To Spanky’s point.
If you do the math, HCR adds $562 billion to the Federal Deficit.
You are correct, the Congressional Budget Office has reported that, health care reform legislation would, over the next 10 years, cost about $950 billion, but because it would raise some revenues and lower some costs, it would also lower federal deficits by $138 billion. In other words, a bill that would set up two new entitlement spending programs, health insurance subsidies and long-term health care benefits, would actually improve the nation’s bottom line.
In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion.
Gimmick No. 1 is the way the bill front-loads revenues and backloads spending. That is, the taxes and fees it calls for are set to begin immediately, but its new subsidies would be deferred so that the first 10 years of revenue would be used to pay for only 6 years of spending.
Some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office’s tabulation.
Consider, too, the fate of the $70 billion in premiums expected to be raised in the first 10 years for the legislation’s new long-term health care insurance program. This money is counted as deficit reduction, but the benefits it is intended to finance are assumed not to materialize in the first 10 years, so they appear nowhere in the cost of the legislation.
Another example of how the legislation manipulates revenues is the provision to have corporations deposit $8 billion in higher estimated tax payments in 2014, thereby meeting fiscal targets for the first five years. But since the corporations’ actual taxes would be unchanged, the money would need to be refunded the next year. The net effect is simply to shift dollars from 2015 to 2014.
In addition to this accounting sleight of hand, the legislation would blithely rob Peter to pay Paul. For example, it would use $53 billion in anticipated higher Social Security taxes to offset health care spending. Social Security revenues are expected to rise as employers shift from paying for health insurance to paying higher wages. But if workers have higher wages, they will also qualify for increased Social Security benefits when they retire. So the extra money raised from payroll taxes is already spoken for. (Indeed, it is unlikely to be enough to keep Social Security solvent.) It cannot be used for lowering the deficit.
A government takeover of all federally financed student loans — which obviously has nothing to do with health care — is rolled into the bill because it is expected to generate $19 billion in deficit reduction.
Finally, in perhaps the most amazing bit of unrealistic accounting, the legislation proposes to trim $463 billion from Medicare spending and use it to finance insurance subsidies. But Medicare is already bleeding red ink, and the health care bill has no reforms that would enable the program to operate more cheaply in the future. Instead, Congress is likely to continue to regularly override scheduled cuts in payments to Medicare doctors and other providers.
Removing the unrealistic annual Medicare savings ($463 billion) and the stolen annual revenues from Social Security and long-term care insurance ($123 billion), and adding in the annual spending that so far is not accounted for ($114 billion) quickly generates additional deficits of $562 billion in the first 10 years. And the nation would be on the hook for two more entitlement programs rapidly expanding as far as the eye can see.
The bottom line is that Congress would spend a lot more; steal funds from education, Social Security and long-term care to cover the gap; and promise that future Congresses will make up for it by taxing more and spending less.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html
Gosh darn it Ira - you must stop throwing facts and logic at the libbies you are confusing them.
Somehow I just don't think Amy will respond to your post. She has neither the ability nor the will.
That stuff ou just cited was not covered in this morning's Think Progress info dump for the low informed.
that was cool ira,
Got one that shows the increase of debt while giving tax breaks to the richest while starting two war cost America? What percentage of that huge mistake is the cause of our debt today and will continue to be a part of it?
I get it, you want no health care for the poor. More republican speak for squandering money. By the time the compassionate conservatives are done with us the poor with either be homeless or dead. The middle class will be hanging on by their fingernails.
No health care is the true death panel without the panel.
Americans First-3238795..
No...that's not what I said at all....in fact I didn't say anything about the necessity of the act in my post.
I'm actually for HCR and would have preferred a mandated single payer system.
All I was doing was pointing out the fallacy that HCR saved money. It doesn't but that doesn't mean that this medical security net is not worth the cost. I believe it is.
Ira, i am fascinated by this little exchange among Amy,Amer Frist and you. My question is why did you not include in your reply to Amy your position about single payer or the worthiness of providing a medical security safety net?
I did read the NYT article you linked. Also read another article linked on the same page. This author, another economist stated," making broad changes in nation healthcare and insurance systems requires assumptions about broad array of technical, behavorial and economic factors." Therefore, to know the outcome ten years from now is speculation. I think speculative thought is fine, but just call it that.
i beileve in the goal of HCR to provide insurance to the uninured is worthwhile. the HCR law is the first step. I don't want it repealed. The single payer system time has not yet come. But I can speculate that it will be seroiusly considered in the future.
NorthstarDFL..
Your point on assumptions is correct. Hell, we don't know what's going to happen on August 3rd let alone 10 years from now.
Let's assume that what was posted was assumption EXCEPT for Medicare. The legislation proposes to trim $463 billion from Medicare spending and use it to finance insurance subsidies. As noted Medicare is in the red and under review from a variety of sources who all agree that the program is bleeding money and needs to be fixed. Two scenarios...it gets fixed and we find $463 billion in the fund or Medicare ceases to exist as we know it. Perhaps a voucher system or it morphs into a new system that is totally new to us. If it does change and the legislation is reliant on $463 billion to finance insurance subsidies, where does that money come from. That's one large chunk of coal that should be debated and plans made now if the billions needed does not materialize.
Point taken and good post.
Honestly, when it comes to polls like this, I like to look at the details underneath of it. Mostly, I look at the approval percentages of independents, because the overall approval numbers are heavily dependent on the wieghting done by the polling organizations between Dems and Reps. (In this case 24% Rep, 35% Dem, and 41% Indy...which seems a little too heavily skewed toward the Dems). Anyway, Independents in the poll show the following approval ratings:
Player (Approve % - Disapprove %)
President Obama (37-52)
Congressional Dems (23-66)
Congressional GOP (17-73)
My interpretation would be this:
-The President's attempt to kind of "stay above the fray" and look like a negotiator has worked to an extent, though he is still being held accountable by a majority.
-Most people (as they usually do) are blaming Congress for things not happening. Really, nothing terribly surprising there as I think almost every poll I've seen in my lifetime tends to blame Congress. LOL!
-Slightly more people blame the GOP in Congress than the Dems, which makes sense since the GOP House is much more visible in the debate than the Dem Senate.
-People, in general, aren't happy with anyone associated with this whole process.
Just a few interpretations and observations from me after looking at the data for a little bit. Take them for what they're worth, but I don't see much surprising in the Independent voter approval ratings.
I agree Frank. I would add to that a variable that 40% don't really know what the heck the Debt Ceiling is, and most of these polls simply show that the American Public as a whole is fed up with just about everything our "leaders" in Washington are doing.
(In this case 24% Rep, 35% Dem, and 41% Indy...which seems a little too heavily skewed toward the Dems)
"heavily skewed toward the Dems".... that certainly describes CBS, doesnt it?
The regular crew of moonbats here... they are "heavily screwy" ...
It never pays to look at "general" polls or to not link the various questions or polls together in some manner. For instance, Grimey points out 37% approve of how our President is handling the economy but if you link it to the fact that 54% blame Bush for the economy, it indicates that while Americans wish Obama would do better to solve the jobs problems, they recognize that he inherited a real mess. Add in the fact that only 17% approve of the way the GOP congress is handling things and you get a better picture of what people are thinking about the economy--it gives democrats and President Obama an advantage.
If the poll only asks if people approve or disapprove of President Obama's handling the economy, you only get half of the picture. If that question is followed with could Congress do more to help the President create jobs, you would likely get a much clearer view of what people are actually thinking.
It's like the right track/wrong track question. If viewed only from the perspective of Washington, DC, one could assume it reflects on President Obama but in reality it probably reflects what is happening in individual states, cities and towns with respect to the economy or specific legislation people feel targets them and their rights.
Bob - but that is the average percentage of actual voter enrollment, so if you are claiming it is "skewed" to the Democrats, I guess any question about how people feel about Republicans has been asked and answered.
All Boehner can do now is claim that the coming default and resulting crash won't be that bad. A few broken bones, a couple shattered lives here and there, but overall corporate profits will be protected and Republicans didn't break their pledge to Grover.
One word...... CBS....what else would you expect? Of course Republicans are blamed the most because they are the ones OUT-FRONT......Dems are hiding in their little corner and scared to say anything out of fear of the next election.
AS in "outfront" by signing pledges with special interest groups (Norquist) thus curtailing any type of negotiations. Yeah, thats the lawmaker for me. There is one senator and one congressperson from my state that signed that pledge.
www.atr.org/taxpayer-protection-pledge-a2882
Sandy I see you did not respond to what you think is a "fair share" for the wealthy to pay. I am for fair taxation across the board. According to these and every other article I have found they are already paying a larger percentage.
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/who-pays-most-income-tax.htm
I voted Republican my whole adult life (I am now a baby boomer), but when the GOP started catering to the fringe for political advantage (which is now biting them on the butt), I became disillusioned - I thought they were all about patriotism and values; but it is clear to anyone now with a brain that all they care about is the rich and were just using all of us as tools to get them elected, where they would just pay lip service to us - I wouldn't vote for a modern day republican if you paid me to--
"I voted Republican my whole adult life"
Sure ya did, we believe ya....sure....You wouldn't be using the moonbat template 101, now would ya?
Now, me, I was a Democrat my whole life...but last week based on the fact the Democrats have become the Party of Marxist class envy, I am now a lifelong Republican...you believe me, dont ya?
So, you were always in agreement with Obama care, right? You know, that pesky little thing that involves itself in a sixth of the economy and takes $500 million out of Medicare, right?
Hey, Southern----I'm a former Republican myself. I think you would find a home in the Democrat party. It takes a little getting used to, since they do not march in lock step like the Republicans and that is a change, but we are very welcoming! C'mon over!
I believe you southernbutnotstupid. I mostly voted republican, and was a registered republican, until President Ronald Reagan. Watching the debt and size of government increasing while Reagan preached fiscal responsibility, tax cuts and smaller government taught me to look at the results not the words. He transformed America all right--but it was not for the good. We stopped investing in America, we started charging everything and we lost sight of what this country is all about. But I do not blame Reagan entirely for the fact his party has now gone so far to the right that it would not elect him today but he is responsible for the tax cuts solve everything, anti-government rhetoric that so permeates today's political discussions from the right--he didn't create the "myth" of Reagan, the Grover Nordquists did--Reagan simply gave the John Birchers and anti-tax elitists the voice and people believed what they said and ignored what was happening. We as a country cannot be strong militarily or economically if we as a people are unwilling to pay the bills--and that means 100% of the people not just the middle and lower income wage earners. If we want to be strong and remain strong, all the people and all the businesses must be willing to "invest" in it.
kirby in idaho
The Healthcare Reform Act the Democrats passed and President Obama signed reduces the deficit by 130 billion dollars in the first decade, and about a trillion in the second, as well as covering most Americans for health insurance for the first time in our history.
The way the rightwingers are fighting the President's plan to cut the deficit by four trillion dollars, "fiscal conservative" seems like a meanigless term.
Amy -
If you believe that figure (I know, the CBO, who also said the Medicare wouldn't add to the debt some years ago), then I have some cheap land in Florida for you. The fact is, noone knows how much the Obama care will cost or save.
And the four trillion? What I have heard is that Obama is willing to "discuss" cuts in entitlements. We all know what that means, don't we?
Trust any of them? Not me. The end result is what matters and that is all that matters.
"Compare that with President Obama's debt commission the reduces the debt by $4 trillion over the next 10 years and produces a balanced budget 4 years earlier than Ryan's budget. In addition, the debt commission doesn't end Medicare as we know it."
The problem is, President Obama ignores his own debt commission. The republicans in the House voted for Paul Ryan's plan. What have the Dems voted for and where is their budget? The Dems have NO budget. Obama is ALL TALK.
Sorry Leona but you're wrong. The ALL TALK and no action belongs to the GOP. If the GOP was serious about deficit and debt reduction, they would have been willing to consider the $4 trillion package under negotiation. Anytime one sides insists they get everything they want and refuses to give an inch on what the other side wants, they are not the least bit credible or serious. President Obama and his team have taken some debt commission ideas (closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax breaks for businesses, re-writing the tax codes, fixing medicare and social security--they were part of the debt ceiling negotiations and they were part of the Debt Commission's recommendations.
Since there is a spending problem (not a tax revenue problem) ,they need to fix it. They were elected to get the spending under control, not to raise taxes on anyone.
hey Jody, the point about the Dems you're missing is, they can't be trusted with tax revenues. If they receive more, they spend more. They never want to pay down debt or cut spending. It's like giving more drugs to an addict with the promise they'll quit later.
You know like President Clinton the last American president not to have the raise the debt limit just happens to be a Democrat. Those Democrats those are the ones that can't be trusted with tax revenues.
With the country headed in the right direction, the republicans couldn't wait to start driving us in a ditch. I don't think I understand the part about why I should trust republicans about anything.
Its as obvious as the nose on ones face that the American economy and tax code have been rigged to favor big business over small business, Wall St. over Main St., wealth over labor, corporate welfare over infrastructure/society and greed over fair play. What will it actually take before low information Cons wake-up to reality and start rejecting the spin and lies of their leadership and pundits?
The GOP is losing the debt ceiling debates because the American people do not believe they are serious least of all credible. 81% of Americans want a surtax on the rich; 68% want the Bush tax cuts on those making $250,000 or more to be eliminated; 56% say Corporations should pay their fair share; 61% say that tax cuts for business will not create jobs but wil instead be spent for dividends and bonuses--only 4% of Americans believe that tax cuts for corporations will create jobs. In other words--Americans aren't buying what the GOPTP is selling.
In 2010, all we heard from the GOP was that President Obama and democrats weren't "listening to the people", it's all about jobs. Yet today it is clear the GOPTP is not listening to the people about jobs, the deficit, the debt or anything else--the republicans have proved they only listen to their base and Grover Nordquist.
When times were better, there was a chance that people would believe the "trickle down" theory that low tax rates on corporations and high-earners would create jobs and wealth for everyone else. George Bush pushed that to the extreme, taking a balanced budget and exploding it and giving us the worst recession since the Great Depression. No wonder people don't believe this any more.
I tell you exactly what I don't believe. I do not believe one word that comes forth from Obama's lying mouth. Bush's recession has become Obama's depression, and all the red herrings in China cannot divert us from the real truth. We have a failed incompetent leaderless president in the White House and America's world will not improve until he is permanently removed on the first Tuesday in November 2012.
mikeljhn. That's your right but obviously you believe every word the GOPTP tells you because you just repeated their talking points. Saw a TV ad saying those things last night. Since you're responding to a comment about what the polls say (not me), I can assume you are in the 4% that still believes tax cuts for businesses creates jobs when the real world recognizes that "demand" creates jobs regardless of the tax rate.
You presumptuous moron. Why is anything obvious to you? I am an independent and the red herring controversy between the stupid Dems and the incompetent Repubs has nothing whatsoever to do with my viewpoint. I despise them all, but most of all I despise people who pretend they know something but are ignorant as doorposts. You have no idea what creates jobs and what you stated that the real world recognizes is a total load of horse manure.
Ryan's Plan was not a budget - it was a statement of ideology, just as this week's games with the debt ceiling will be. America said no as fast as the President did. If the GOP doesn't have the votes - it's nothing but political theater. Watch how quickly those "independent" votes split up after another week of external grandstanding while the GOP tries desparately to cover up it's internal death struggle. Oh, they'll do the Independent thing and bounce around again a few days later but...that's what Independents generally do...
"Let's see - We got the debt ceiling "cap" lined up for Tuesday, that's gonna hurt - let's line up another Save the LightBulbs Bill for Thursday"
I've noticed that Republicans tend to claim that they speak for "the American People", when it's obvious that they do not.
Well, Bali Bob---they do speak for the corporate American people--gotta give them that.
They sure as he!! don't speak for me and I'm an American People.
It has become apparent all the Republicans' talk about cutting the deficit was just campaign sloganeering. Otherwise, they would have jumped at the concessions Democrats made to cut Medicare and Social Security. Instead, they walked away from President Obama's "grand bargain" in order to preserve a few piddling tax loopholes. Ronald Reagan, who raised taxes during his Presidency, wouldn't recognize his Party today.
The GOP doesn't speak for this "American" either.
No, Bali Bob, CBS does not speak for "the American People". Why in hell would anyone place any credence in a CBS poll? Give me one example where their polls reflect the thinking of the American people. Obama has failed and they throw out stupid red herring meaningless polls, instead of placing the blame squarely on his scrawny incompetent shoulders. This man is a failed president. He is leading us to disaster, and like faithful lemmings we follow this off-tune pied piper down the road to oblivion. Could it be that we deserve Obama because we were stupid enough to elect him in the first place? I think so.
"Give me one example where their polls reflect the thinking of the American people."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/16/opinion/polls/main4728399.shtml
Again, just more CBS tripe. You obviously voted for Obama which says scores about your mental abilities. Why should I listen to their numbers when they only poll their own viewers and not the American people. Your example does not prove that this number reflects the views of the American people, only the view of CBS viewers, the most innane of all Americans.
mikeljhn -- lighten up. There is no need to attack a poster (Amy) just because you don't like the news she reports: don't kill the messenger. Did you like President Bush? Did you like President Clinton? Or G.H.W. Bush before him? Perhaps you don't care for any presidents or politicians....in which case, your dislike of President Obama wouldn't be remarkable.
Kate---don't know if mikeljhn is a new poster or a reincarnation of an old poster but based on this thread and the one above, he sure seems to have anger management issues, doesn't he?
So, you guys are not angry. You're just doing this for fun. Well, you must be hard up for fun. Yes, I am angry. And, no, I have not liked any president since Reagan. In fact, in my lifetime, the only two presidents I ever had an ounce of respect for were JFK and Reagan. The rest were third rate at best, and they hurt this country deeply during their presidencies. And my dislike for Obama is not remarkable; I never intended it to be. Yet, this president Obama, and I flinch to have to call him president, is the great destroyer, the absolute worse by far of all time. He, I believe, actually does not like America. He likes power, and he wants to use his power to punish this country for its colonialism and uniqueness in the world. If he is re-elected, then after his next four years, we will be nothing but a grease spot on the table of world affairs. So, if you are posting here just for fun, and to casually chat with your posting buddies, then you are wasting your time and mine. I am actually getting ready for Civil War II. And anger management is pure foolishness, dreamed up by psychiatrists to take our money, just like Obama is doing now and so well.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
@mikeljhn
I find you to be offensive and racist. Now get off social security, medicare and most of all don't call a cop.
That's all government stuff you know.
Not only do you have no merit to call President Obama the worse President you have no creditably.
Bush left him the worst economy in American History and you say it's President Obama's fault.
You are insane or a right wing nut, or insane or a tea bagger or insane. F-it you are plain just insane.
This is pure t horse manure. The economy now belongs to Obama. George Bush has nothing to do with it. Obama's stimulus and bailout program failed. His healthcare bill has failed. His military decisions have all failed. He is incompetent, and his supporters are either paying no taxes or they are on the government dole. Which category are you guys in? And, I don't give a damn where you find me to be. I find you to be ignorant, myopic, one-dimensional, vote-for-Obama-and-accept-the-consequences left wing liberals, and I have contempt above all for you all. You can't think, and you are helping with the destruction of America. What you are for, I am against. We are at an impasse that cannot be resolved, certainly not on Newvine. So, where the hell are you heading? I know where this all will end. And I am not dependent on SS or Medicare, although I have used them because I could not opt out. In fact, I offered to opt out of both, but they wouldn't let me. But, I am certain that all of you guys, especially Steeler Fan, are totally dependent on SS and Medicare, and you love Obama because you think he will keep your largesse coming. He won't.
The idea o fjust saying no is running out of steam in face of reality. And reality is this: you need revenue to cut the defict in a meaningful way. Even Paul Ryan's budget assumes you can't grow your way out.
That leaves only one option: Taxes.
The only real question is which one. And here'swhere Michelle Bachmann shines..she suggested a Value Added Tax aas congresswoman. She's the onl yone who has talked about taxes in other that totally negative contexts. And that is why people are going to beginto pay attention to her..she's the only one who has uttered the T word.
No, you do not, you absolutely do not, need revenue. You need to quit buying one of every shiny thing you see in the dime store. We need to stop spending on everything. Our standard of living has been reduced by the Dems and incompetent Obama to the point where we can only afford to exist on bread, water, and a little soup now and then. Instead, Obama and the Dems want us to pretend we can afford to live on caviar, smoked salmon, and Perrier. These people are fools and so are the ones who want to re-elect an incompetent president for another four years.
Arlin, she must not have discussed that notion with Grover Norquist. She did sign his pledge...twice, when she ran for Congress and now when running for Pres.
Arlin, that is news to me. Where can I find the statement that Bachmann would support a value added tax?
Guess CBS needed to entice more advertising revenue...
1. We need a balanced budget within 1 year. We cannot pay off debt when we create more debt every year (budget deficits). After we have a balanced budget, we need a budget surplus. The surplus pays down the debt every year.
2. Our debt to GDP ratio is 100% ($14 trillion debt, $14 trillion GDP). A sustainable debt would be a ratio of 70%, which means we have to cut the debt by $4.2 trillion.
3. We need an annual budget surplus of $400billion. That pays down our debt to 70% of GDP in 10 years.
4. How do we get from annual budget deficits to a $400billion per year budget surplus? We cut spending massively, by a minimum of 40%. We eliminate all loopholes and we raise taxes.
We need over a decade of substantial budget surpluses or the country is toast.
What Americans support (and don't support) in cutting the deficit
By Mark Murray
The entire debt debate has raised this question: What do you do to reduce the nation's deficit?
Republicans want to strictly cut government spending, while preserving all tax cuts and tax breaks. President Obama, by contrast, favors a balanced approach -- some spending cuts, plus revenue increases and tax hikes.
But what about the American public? Back in February, at the very outset of this deficit/debt debate, our NBC/WSJ poll measured 26 different ways to reduce the deficit or to cut spending. The list runs from most acceptable to least acceptable.
-- Placing a surtax on federal income taxes for people earning over $1 million a year: 81% acceptable
-- Eliminating spending on so-called earmarks for special projects and specific areas of the country: 78% acceptable
-- Eliminating funding for weapons systems the Defense Department says are not necessary: 76% acceptable
-- Eliminating tax credits for the oil and gas industries: 74% acceptable
-- Phasing out the Bush tax cuts for families earning $250,000 or more per year: 68% acceptable
-- Freezing annual domestic spending at its current level for the next five years: 67% acceptable
-- Reducing Medicare and Social Security benefits for wealthier retirees: 62% acceptable
-- Gradually raising the Social Security retirement age to 69 by 2075: 56% acceptable
-- Cutting funding for the new health-care law so that parts of it will not be put into effect or enforced: 51% acceptable
-- Reducing agriculture subsidies or support to farmers and ranchers: 45% acceptable
-- Eliminating funding to Planned Parenthood for family planning and preventive health services: 45% acceptable
-- Gradually turning Medicare from a system in which the government pays for most beneficiaries' medical bills into a program in which seniors would receive government-assisted vouchers to purchase private insurance: 44% acceptable
Among the budget cuts:
Subsidies to build new nuclear power plants: 57% acceptable
Federal assistance to state governments: 52% acceptable
The Environmental Protection Agency: 51%
Transportation and infrastructure projects: 51%
Scientific and medical research: 48%
National defense: 46%
Unemployment insurance: 43%
Head Start: 41%
College student loans: 39%
Heating assistance to low-income families: 34%
Medicaid: 32%
Medicare: 23%
K-12 education: 22%
Social Security: 22%
Nothing surprising about this poll.
Congressmen should not stand on their own principal to avoid some good and some bad.
In Washington it used to be called compromise.
No one should be surprised by these poll results. Any bi-ped with cranial matter knows that the Republican Tea Party exists for the sole purpose of giving idiots a voice. And, if this experience has taught us anything, it is that stupidity and lunacy must be kept in check even in a democracy claiming to be of the people, by the people! They add nothing to the debate worthy of consideration other than demonstrating the art of senseless noise!
The GOP has only two vocus concerns 1. Defeating Obama 2. Protecting the rich. Everything else come in a distant third or more.
I totally agree with you and the worst part of the GOP is their attempts to spread hate and division in achieving their goals..
Rasmussen...
There is a huge partisan divide on the question. Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Democrats want a tax hike in the deal while 82% of Republicans do not. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 35% favor a tax hike and 51% are opposed.
Rasmussen. Murdoch owned?
The entire strategy of the conservative party is like that of terrorists..create enough hate and panic and ride the resulting discontent back to power!
Isnt it obvious that the only real goal of the GOP.. as stated openly stated by them ..,is to defeat President Obama in the next election?
They represent the rich and the powerful and enlist the fearful and the hateful in that one campaign
Yep, they just hope enough people watch Faux News and will come out to vote next year. We better wake up, if moderates, independents and progressives don't go to the polls next year, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachman or Mitt Romney will be running this country - and that's a damn scary thought. Just remember, low voter turnout got GWB elected.