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Subscribe to RSSBy NBC's Luke Russert and msnbc.com's Vaughn Ververs: House Speaker John Boehner literally and figuratively embraced his top deputy, putting his arm around Minority Leader Eric Cantor and telling reporters that the two Republican leaders remain together, fighting in the same “foxhole.”
Cantor has been the target of Democratic criticism in the wake of the tense budget negotiations on Wednesday and there have been rumblings about a split between himself and the speaker. “Let me just say, we have been in this fight together,” Boehner said. “And any suggestion that the role Eric has played in this meeting has been anything less than helpful is just wrong. Listen, we’re in the foxhole and I’m going to tell you this is not easy. What we are trying to do here is solve a problem that has eluded Washington for decades. I’m glad Eric is there and those who have other opinions can keep them to themselves.”
Cantor was asked about comments by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said Cantor should not be at the bargaining table for the talks aimed at raising the debt ceiling. “The speaker and I have consistently been on the same page,” Cantor said, adding, “Just as he laid out in terms of the principles that we are operating under that our conference is fully behind. That we are not going to raise the debt ceiling if we don't have cuts in excess of that amount. That we don't want to raise taxes and that we want to structurally change the system so we stop this from happening again.”
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Well, isn't this interesting.
We are on the precipice of a financial meltdown, and Speaker Boehner is embracing his 'deputy' as a fellow 'fighter' in the FOXHOLE?
It is blatantly obvious that the brouhaha over the last few days is missed on the Speaker and Eric Cantor.
So... now that we are all 'buddies', when are we going to see the debt limit raised?
When are we going to see some legislation that will actually HELP America?
When are we going to see this Congress DO ANYTHING??
"What we are trying to do here is solve a problem that has eluded Washington for decades."
Now, does that INCLUDE the decade Bush Lite was in charge, and those 7 votes to raise the ceiling were cast? Who can help me out here? Eric? John?? Pinocchio???
Well, let's see-
Obama or some other democrat came up with the brilliant plan of pitting Boehner and Cantor against each other.
Then, the great plan of demonizing Cantor.
Both of those failed.
Want to get a headache? Google "Obama temper tantrum".
So, Boehner cuts off the talking points about a rift between he and Cantor, and you think it's a bad idea? Well, it's a LOT better idea than ordering bombers to Libya, and then taking off for Rio.
Face it- Obama is a fool. And a one term president.
Seen Gallup today?
The President always ends the meetings. That’s what all presidents do. Also, who is called “No Drama Obama,” and who keeps taking their ball and going home? And progressives don't need to pit Republicans against one another. Since the TeaVangelicals, the split happened on it's own--Everyone predicted this. Actually, some Dems were on the news last night expressing concern about chaos in the GOP/TP and failed leadership in the Republican Party. Conservatives can be so lame.
The FACTS: Paul Ryan’s plan would require the debt ceiling to be raised, would add 6 trillion to the debt, and would privatize Medicare and still not balance the budget. So we can forget that. Moving on, the Dems agreed to as much as 2 trillion in spending cuts when Cantor threw his first hissy fit, because the Dems began making suggestions like this:
Then President Obama countered Eric’s temper tantrum by suggesting a Big Deal to reduce the debt by 4 trillion, including savings from trust funds. The details were something congress would have to work out, as congress should because it is congress’s job. But the president offered to help get it done. However, to do this, Republicans would have to work toward a 3 to 1 spending to revenue compromise.
The American people know who is saying NO, and the American people know it is the same Party that created the majority of the debt in the first place. In addition, the American People should be very wary of oaths and pledges being signed by the GOP/TP (haunting).
President Obama also is correct to demand a long-term solution instead of piece-meal dragged out uncertainty, that would damage our credit as well as economic recovery. If the GOP/TP doesn’t get on board, the Dems will propose spending cuts on their own and take full credit for the work—as they should.
Yeah, Gallop -- Just as McConnell chooses 'None of the Above,' so do the Republicans in regard to presidential candidates. The generic candidate is winning people!
How quaint, now they're BFF's
The question remains, which one has their hand up the others 'rear' pulling the marionette strings?
Hmmm.
So...
NBC News and MSNBC have over-emphasized the extent of the supposed rift between House Speaker John Boehner, and Majority Leader Eric Cantor?
Shocking.
Simply shocking.
Have they gotten anything else wrong in this debate?
We have to at least consider the possibility, don't we?
Stop and think about it, that people favor a non-existent candidate. This says a lot of things, including belief in things that don't exist?
Mr. Cantor has zero freedom of speech/thought/action in these discussions as he has signed on the dotted line to Grover Norquist ~~ to refuse to vote for any kind of tax reform.
Folks didn't understand why Republican leaders keep saying "any deal that includes taxes can't pass the house'. Now we know why.
It's disappointing for many republicans, but almost all Republican congressional leaders (95%) signed this agreement with Grover Norquist never to do any kind of tax reform for any reason. These signatures are sitting in Norquist's vault.
If Boehner, Cantor and McConnell choose to default on the debt ceiling for the first time in US history, a massive global financial disaster, & another Great Recession or worse in our nation will be on their heads.
So in Minn. there was a strong preference for no increased taxes. A position that prevailed. I will miss Bug Ed.'s show tonight, but I got to believe his head will explode.
How is that different than this case True American?
Of course the preference show in that whore right wing poll might be that they don't like Obama's tactics, or the though of piling on more debt. Might be they just don't take a shine to borrowing $.40 of every dollar spent.
Oh wait it was Gallup and not Rassmussen? Why that does not sound too good for Obama, now does it?
Actually, True Patriot, it says they don't like Obama- and that more dislike him this month than last month.
Might have to do with unemployment going up, weak economic growth, failure on debt reduction, ( his strength seems to be in increasing the debt wildly, with total abandon ), his unpopular HCR, . . .
You get the picture.
Reuters Ipsos came out today, too, and it had some pretty bad numbers for Obama, too.In a poll with 43% democrAts to 36% republicans, Obama managed to get 49% approval to 46% disapproval. That's a split, when the margin of error is factored in.
The worst news was among independents- you know, the people who really decide elections? They approve of Obama only 39%. 51% disapprove of his job handling.
As far as the individual match ups go- well, I would not put too much stock in them just yet. See, primary voters back their own horse, but once there is a candidate, they throw their support to the candidate. Remember the PUMAs? They voted for Obama, did they not? Of course they did- it's the way these things go.
Remember last fall, when democrats could not believe they would lose so many seats? Remember what happened to Obama's approval numbers as he went around the country campaigning?
People are sick to death of his failures. He is out the door in 2012.
Cantor's screwing around has already caused a 54-point drop in the stock market today. Maybe Nancy Pelosi is right: The Republicans won't relent in their intransigence unless the stock market drops 400 points in one day like it did back when they were foot-dragging over the TARP. Cantor thinks he's protecting the interests of the wealthy. But they won't care about piddling little revenue increases that might cost them a few bucks if Cantor wipes out their stock portfolios in order to block the revenue increases.
Bag
Uh, yeah. That's why they titled this article "Boehner, Cantor show united front". It's a lefty librul cover up I tells ya!
There's a lot of data out there today, including Obama's approval rating in Wisconsin. And if you read the NYT article closely, you'll see that most people want a compromise on the debt including some amount of revenue. As for the generic candidate, come on, it's fantasy. Based on grassroots contributions to President Obama, much of which is coming from new donors, don't get too Happy Ears about this stuff.
Back to this article -- Funny Boehner, like "read my lips" one can interpret "foxhole" in many ways. First, the fox part of it. Whether referring to FOX that reports the "other side of the story," and is it the tail wagging the...fox? The not so clever fox? and then there is the "hole" part, as in digging yourself into a hole, or Eric Cantor being an arsehole, or what it really is--painted into a hole.
Carry on...
Holy moly Houston - Cantor is responsible for the stock market now?
Let's see, not the presidinet. Not even the Speaker of the House.
Yet the stock market is on him, eh?
Wow, now that's power. So given that Houston, why do you even bother electing dems? They apparently have no power. YOu just asserted that the second Republican in the house has more power than Obama, Reid or Pelosi.
Man it must such to be a dem.
OK, I think I understand this: under NO circumstances can there be an increase in the amount of revenue the US collects from a group of taxpayers. If we get involved in multiple wars, have multiple natural disastors, if there is a financial callamity requiring government spending does not matter. If we spend more money than we did in 2000, does not matter, NO INCREASE IN TAXES. That's the plan, right?
I truly do believe that the Republican party, as it is today, are collectively the largest group of idiots put into power in the history of the world.
The Republican Congress has got 15 building named. That's quite a bit of work done in 7 months.
I've said my fair share of less-than-flattering things about the President these past couple of years but I have to say the way he is handling these guys is masterful. Obama is punking these guys out and they don't even know it. He's finally learned how to negotiate with terrori........er, republicans. Mr. President, thumbs up.
TO: no joe, no bo, nj who wrote:
"Well, let's see-
Obama or some other democrat came up with the brilliant plan of pitting Boehner and Cantor against each other.
Then, the great plan of demonizing Cantor..."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh please, we Democrats know that Crybaby Boehner and Eric Cantor came from under the same rock, and Cantor demonized himself -- he didn't need any help with that either.
TO: no joe, no bo, nj who wrote:
"Actually, True Patriot, it says they don't like Obama- and that more dislike him this month than last month..."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
America loves President Obama, which is why President Obama has already collected more campaign funds for his re-election campaign than all of the Republican candidates combined.
If one starts at the time of a surplus at the end of Clinton's administration, why didn't this at least go toward the IOU for Social Security? Or even save it, invest it, you know for a rainy day?
Rainy days, like 9-11 and the war in Afghanistan and then unnecessary invasion or Iraq, neither of which were paid for (then Katrina, etc.). The Bush tax cuts were passed in 2001 and then additional breaks for the rich in 2003 – All during this time frame of rainy days. Both were passed with reconciliation because even Republicans wouldn't vote for this stupidity.
What happened to the GOP since? The TeaVangelicals who have always been a part of the GOP hijacked the Republican Party, forcing everyone to sign an unconstitutional pledge to a lobbyist. Defend this, conservatives, let's hear it!
How can anyone believe we only have a spending problem? So if we had zero tax revenue, all would be fine—right? How can anyone believe in "starve the beast?" So government always spends what it takes in, the surplus being an example, and the 4-day school week proves there's plenty of money.
The GOP/TP Kool-Aid smells like bitter almonds people, the Republicans are committing suicide. The problem is, the rest of the nation handcuffed to them.
BTW, no-joe fantasizes about an ideal husband too. It's not that her husband isn't a good husband, but a girl can fantasize right? I believe the president has already collected more campaign funds than he did in his entire campaign in 2008.
TruePatriot writes: "The TeaVangelicals who have always been a part of the GOP hijacked the Republican Party, forcing everyone to sign an unconstitutional pledge to a lobbyist."
President Obama used this little fact to show everyone the true colors of the repubs. By putting all cuts on the table along with sane revenue increases, he forced the repubs to either accept the deal and break their pledge to Grover or reject it and break their pledge to the American people. Is anyone surprised by their choice?
Well, let's see. The republicans band together to formulate a common cause. Not raising taxes on the American people. Not a bad idea, really. They pledge their support by signing a statement of unity.
Meanwhile back at the farm, the liberals can't understand this action. They are beating their heads against the wall in anger because the republicans did the exact same thing unions do. How confusing. Use a tactic that the democrat majority uses to become one and stand their ground... My goodness... how draconian.
I hope the Republicans stick to the plan! Each day, the Federal Government spends $4 billion more than it takes in! ! ! To put that into perspective that daily amount is enough to buy the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and the Boston Celtics! With enough money left over to hand out free hot dogs at Yankee Stadium for a couple of years! God forbid that would happen as this government would probably screw the management of those clubs as well!
Cut Spending, wait to raise taxes after we recover from this ongoing recession!
I love it! The liberals are all pi$$ed off because the republicans have done something to unify. The liberals would rather see the republicans all over the place and in upheaval. That means that the democrats could band together and push their agenda through. Not this time, or so it seems. The liberals have to resort to berating little ol Grover for getting republicans on board with a true reason for digging in. I never realized how much power Grover had over the democrats... the democrats really are shaking in their boots.
Maybe it's about time the republicans actually stood for something different than the democrats. Let the American people judge their actions. We already know the liberals are upset about it so it can't be all that bad.
Wow, just wow.
Not raising taxes, not ever, not by a penny, no matter what. That's a good idea? Really? And Republicans pledge--not to the American People--but to a lobbyist. But there's nothing wrong with elected officials in a Republic pledging to outside third-party interests, though sent to Congress to represent their constituents, because that's like unions? Seriously?
Robin, everyone understands we're paying 40 cents of each dollar toward interest on the debt. Everyone understands in the long term this cannot continue.
But unlike the simple-minded "really poor at math" conservatives, most Americans realize there are two sides to the equation. To protect the fragile economy and the middle class, no one is suggesting tax rates go up (except for millionaires). They are suggesting we do what President Reagan did, and increase the tax base AND make cuts in spending.
Our educational system if far worse than I thought. And it's NOT true that Democrats/progressives want chaos in Congress. We need a two-party system, and need a functional system.
Brian, spending is only half the problem. Sure, with spending at 25% of GDP, it needs to be cut and not just a little. But with revenues at less than 15% GDP, we also got us a revenue problem. When Clinton left office, both revenue and spending was between 19% and 20%. By pledging not to raise revenue, repubs are ignoring half the problem.
Wow wait till dirp, fiesty and old navy hear that while their superman was busy getting OBL someone stole our secrets. Well you know superman can only do one thing a year, last year it was obamacare and this year was OBL but you couldn't expect the liberal messiah to be able to protect our secrets at the sametime. To much for one liberal to do.
BJ: saw that one. Article I saw said there was an attempt to breach computer security at the Pentagon. It did not say it was successful or that anything was taken.
Did you see anything about that ?
Or are you referring to the scum currently sitting in jail awaiting trial, Bradley Manning ?
Cantor and his ilk are like kryptonite in Congress. A better metaphor -- Cantor, let's play global thermonuclear war...
The ongoing cyberwar with the Pentagon is just more light bulb debate and distraction by the right-wing.
Happy Birthday Spanky...
TO add to the discussion a couple of footnotes:
Eric Cantor worte in his H.S. yearbook under his picture:I want what i when I want it.
Chris Matthews tonight pointed out the Hug picture between Cantor and Boehner and the speakers statement.It is the kiss of death,boehner is lieing through his teeth at that moment. The President can leave a meeting anytime he wants. He is the POTUS and won an election nationwide. Cantor respresents a district Richmond VA and couldn't get a state wide office if his life depended on it.
Lawrrence on Last Word said that picture speaks volume. Boehner to the rescue and now he owns Cantor.
The House should just pass a roughly $1.5 Trillion increase in the Debt limit in return for a $1.5 Trillion cut in spending that Obama must identify, and then 'dare' the Democratic Senate and Obama to reject it, putting the problem back in Obama's court.
If Obama fails to make REAL cuts, he will have to request another Debt increase just before the 2012 elections.
The front that Cantor and Boehner were putting forth was as fake as a 3 dollar bill .Cantor looked like someone had stolen his gum of of the bed post over night.He was looking like a lost puppy that couldn't find its mom. I don't believe I ever saw a grown man that looked like someone that needed a pat on the back . I say to Boehner look out he is after your job.
I think I'd rather see the Anthony Weiner front again, than any united front these two nation-wreckers want to form.
LoL It certainly does beg this question: Their fronts may be united, but what are their brains doing?
Maybe one, just One of the Carnival Barkers(formerly known as the MSM) would show that Leader Eric Cantor has lotsa $$ invested in America Defualting & his Goose would be Cooked !
Naw, run another clip of the Alaskan Wild DingBat screaming how she is keeping the Carnival Barkers hanging on till late August-early September on whether she'll continue in "Driving them Crazy"!
Off topic, AM, but:
I know how you feel about turkey Reubens, cheese fries, chicken matzo ball soup, and Cherry coke...but what are your views on anti-Semitism?
How do you feel about the Holocaust being spelled with a capital "H"?
I wanted to get the opinion of a someone who often speaks of political issues in terms of social justice and the accepted standards of morality involved.
Any objections?
My views an anti-Semitism is that it's wrong. I don't like Eric Cantor, but I love Jon Stewart. Turkey Reubens are delicious, and one can never get enough matzo balls.
As for the spelling of Holocaust, I don't know the difference. Illuminate, please because I found it both ways when I looked it up.
Would it be spelled with a capital letter if you acknowledge that it actually happened, and not if you didn't? Or am I just culturally ignorant and obtuse, as always?
I'll await your pronouncement.
p.s. I just saw your revision: Any objections to what?
Not sure, AM.
Would it?
As far as not liking Eric Cantor, but liking Jon Stewart, what does that have to do with anti-Semitism?
I'm not getting that.
I'm not suggesting you're an anti-Semite...I have absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that.
But...would you have anything to say if you saw a comment at First Read that you considered to be anti-Semitic?
Or would you deal with it in the same way that you deal with bloggers who call other bloggers "liar"?
Well, if we're doing Socratic method today, then it probably would, wouldn't it?
Are you about to spring a trap on me and point me to a post in 2007 or something where I failed to capitalize it? Because I have no doubt that it happened.
Or did you have something else in mind?
No trap, AM.
Just wondering is all.
By the way...
It's both flattering and amusing that you consider it possible that a humble lay-person could be laying a trap for you, counselor.
Glad you're amused, sir. As for "flattery," I wouldn't presume to think my skills were superior to yours.
Mixed Bag…
This might help with your understanding.
Distinct from denial and distortion is misuse of the Holocaust. Misuse occurs when aspects of the Holocaust are compared to events, situations, or people where there is no genocide or genocidal intent. Examples of Holocaust misuse include: claiming that Israeli-government actions are equivalent to those of the Nazis; equating the treatment of animals with the treatment of Jews and other victims during the Holocaust; labeling political opponents as Nazis; or misusing the terminology of the Holocaust to assert that particular actions are the same as actions undertaken by the Nazis.
Holocaust denial, distortion, and misuse all undermine the understanding of history. Denial and distortion of the Holocaust almost always reflect anti-Semitism.
This is exactly what happened today, and occurs here on a regular basis.
I'm done....take care.
Oh Spanky...enjoy your birthday.
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/denial/
I'm basking in the warmth of your flattery, AM.
:-))
Now...uhh...sorry.
I was momentarily distracted.
My questions, if you don't mind?
Ira-
You are the man...on this topic, if no other.
Thanks.
Now...where was I...
Oh, yeah...
Anna Molly?
I think I've told you before that I don't consider myself the police out here on either side. Did I like comments that seemed to threaten violence or seemed to have racist overtones? Of course, not.
But I didn't see them right away, and by the time I did, I thought you had it well under control without any need for help from me. Or am I not supposed to make an innocent comment about a sandwich, while you continue to carry on cordial conversation with the person from your side who takes such great delight in bashing me?
I just wonder why you keep pressing this point with me. Where do you possibly think you're going with this?
p.s. Jon Stewart is Jewish. I thought that might be where you were going because I happened to make a comment about a turkey Reuben.
Interesting point but there is no jewish race. It's a religion.
Ask Sami Davis Jr.
Oh and AM you are, like it or not, responsible for all the libbies here.
Not fair, but just the way it is. So you are in fact the defacto police.
Anna Molly-
Really?
You want to make this about you and JoAnna?
And me?
You would rather weigh in on turkey Reubens than anti-Semitism?
I'm not asking you to police anyone...I'm asking you for your opinion, AM.
C'mon, AM.
You're better than that.
You must be better than that.
Lots of feelings get hurt around here all the time.
But you should still be able to speak up when someone tries to rationalize and put the Jewish Holocaust in lower case...even if you love his tastes in food.
PS-
I'm well aware that Stewart is Jewish...that's actually the point, AM. It doesn't matter, does it?
Spanky- if AM is responsible for all of the libbies here, do you take charge of rangling all the cats... er, um, responsiblity for making sure that all of the conservatives keep above board ?
I think it's time for the President to use the bully pulpit and go on prime time TV each night and take this issue to the American People. Afterwards, the Republicans will be going crazy to deal and raise the debt ceiling.
Anna Molly
while you continue to carry on cordial conversation with the person from your side who takes such great delight in bashing me?
I thought we were making an argument. Sorry you think I take great delight in bashing you. I don't. It's just an argument and if you consider that I did bash you I do apologize. That was never my intent.
Even Spanky said I was mean.
Now I'm gone.
Ira-
I'm pretty sure Anna Molly was not referring to you.
Hey - I take great pleasure in bashing AM.
She is after all my second favorite pushy female lawyer.
And with that - I am out for happy birthday fun hour.
If anyone sees me back here posting - that will be Captain Morgan talking. Not me.
I'm the nice one. :)
@ Ira ~ I wasn't talking about you, Ira, and I'm very sorry if you got that idea. But I wonder how you would have.
@ Bag Boy ~ Don't worry, Bag Boy. This isn't about JoAnna.
I never said a word to you about that, did I?
Wonder why?
That was MY point about Jon Stewart, too, by the way.
And I'm sorry if I didn't even notice anyone putting Holocaust in lower case.
Next thing I know, you'll accuse me of putting god in lower case, too.
Guilty as charged.
Bye, Spanky-
And again...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Enjoy.
Geez, light bulbs and anti-Semite silliness... This is so typical of conservatives.
Job1 -- The bully pulpit no longer reaches the low-information FOX viewers. Recommended reading for conservatives: "The Believing Brain: From Ghosts and Gods to Politics and Conspiracies--How We Construct Beliefs and Reinforce Them as Truths" by Michael Shermer.
Tell that to William Shakespeare.
http://www.enotes.com/shakespearean-criticism/merchant-venice
http://www.shmoop.com/merchant-of-venice/race-quotes.html
But perhaps I misspoke. Jews are technically considered a "nation" and "ethnoreligious group."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Thanks for the correction. Mea culpa.
Anna Molly-
Don't care much about the word "God" being capitalized, or not...
Whichever version of "god" anyone deems relevant, there are no provable facts, in my opinion, about the existence of "God" worth arguing about.
"Holocaust"...
Now, that's another matter, AM.
There are facts.
And...
Actually...you did say a word (or two) about "that".
What I said was, just so there's no mistake, that I have no doubt that "it" (the Holocaust) happened.
I think that's what you meant, too, but right now I confess to being a little confused by this whole thing.
And I'm not anti-Semitic. And I oppose anti-Semitism, just like I oppose all other forms of bigotry. I would have thought I had no need to reaffirm those fundamental values for you, but ....
So sorry to disappoint. What else is new?
Hey, Anna Molly-
As long as you call out the next First Read blogger making anti-Semitic remarks for his/her bigotry (feel free to praise his/her excellent tastes in matzo ball soup, if you like)...
We're good, AM.
And...thanks for the capital "H" in Holocaust.
:-)
Now that Anna Molly & Mixed Bag have kissed & made up, maybe we can get Joanna Smith1 and Fiesty Redhead to say nice things about each other ? :-D
Took you a long time to get to the punch line, didn't it?
But you've gotta admit, I'm still the unqualified leader in obtuseness. ;-)
dirp101-
Anna Molly and I have a complex relationship.
I love her and she struggles to love me.
However, she squirms like a fish on a hook when I ask her to do the right thing.
Joanna & Feisty...?
Put every penny you have on me and Anna Molly.
Hey, if you two can get it done, maybe there is some small hope for our country. Maybe we can even get Cantor and Pellossi to talk nice.
If not that, maybe the idiots in DC could at least solve this one issue before the economy implodes again.
dirp101 - Are you actually looking for hell to freeze over, mail delivery to be on time, raindrops to actually taste like chocolate? I don't think so! LOL!
Stop wasting BTUs -- Stay on topic. Otherwise this entire volley should be collapsed as No Value.
LoL You should be so lucky as to see me squirm, Bag Boy. But consider it done.
The "struggle," on the other hand, continues.
In the end, I'll put my money on us, too. ;-)
No value to whom? I found it very instructive.
True: it is on topic, it shows that agreement can be reached, through compromise, which is essential to govern this country. It is only when ideologues become intransigent that we have problems.
I actually do expect the politicians in DC to come forth with a solution. For that to happen, both sides will have to give up something.
DBO thats interesting you would like to see the Anthony Weiner front again, I'm just glad I didn't see it the first time.
Bob Jones, ... LOL... now thats funny.
Don't you guys have private emails to work out your "complex relationship"? This is totally off topic and a waste of space for readers.
As for a response to the opening post of this thread: You could almost see the knife in Boehner's hand as he pulled Cantor towards him. Reminds me of what Brutus did to Ceasar.
All that was missing was Boehner identifying Cantor with a kiss....
I don't like Cantor but I felt sorry for him he looked like a lost puppy.
Ok, while this is good for photo op, J Boehner watch out, Eric is about pushing off the cliff.
I sure hope Speaker Boehner didn't turn his back on Cantor during the event---could be dangerous to his health! If Mr. Boehner truly believes that they are comrades in arms pursuing the same goal, he is worse off than I thought.
I am sure the conversation would go something like this:
3rd Party: "Hey, John, those are some NICE stab wounds that you got in your back!!"
Speaker Boehner: "Do you like them? I got them yesterday from my foxhole sharing buddy, Eric Cantor! I am sure he can fix you up as well. Do I need to ask him?"
3rd Party: "No, John, Eric visited me last week and the stab wounds I got from him are not healed yet."
Speaker Boehner: "Yeah, that Eric is one wild and crazy guy, isn't he?"
3rd Party: "Yeah, he as great technique, too! You don't even feel it when he gets ya!"
Speaker Boehner: "Ah, good ol' Eric! Always working to perfect his technique!!"
All this "concern" for Boehner.
So unexpected.
So heart felt.
Seriously?
These guys have vastly misread the result of the mid-terms, where the turnout is decidedly lower, much older, and whiter than in presidential years. Even their idol, Ronald Reagan understood there needed to be a renevue component in these types of negotiations, and a monkey knows there must be a compromise in divided braches of government for progress to be made. David Brooks was dead-on about the 2011 version of the republican party - No moderates allowed.
Nevermind that we have decades of evidence that cutting taxes does not lead to job creation, and we have the lowest tax rates in 50 years as a percentage of GDP. Those stubborn facts again.
I think they're in for a rude awakening (again) in 2012.
Yeah - they're in the foxhole alright. Our guy's just making sure they keep digging.
Obama 2012
Achilles
The elections in New York, California, and the fake primary in Wisconsin are telling. In fact, I don't believe Republicans have won any election nationwide since 2010. The money being raised in presidential campaigns for 2012 is very telling too. But don't burst their bubble, let conservatives continue with their delusions. The three months or so of silence after the 2008 election was so nice.
We all know there are no atheists in foxholes but there can be snakes. Mr Boehner should worry more if Mr Cantor will push him over the cliff....the fall may kill him.
Gingerbread---I guess they had to come out and say something to address those "rumblings". Or else Cantor pitched a fit & demanded that Boehner speak up for him.
SF I find this whole exercise and the behaviour involved so disgusting. The rudeness and lack of respect is appalling and makes me wonder what will be the end result when the dust settles, I dont think it will be helpful to the betterment of the country. Therefore we'll all lose.
Speaking of rudeness & disrespect - anyone else catch Joe Walsh (R) IL on the Martin Bashir show doubling down on calling the President a liar!
He's also made quite a few racial slurs against the President the last couple of months...
Like I told Nash this morning, these rat b@stards aren't even bothering to put on the sheep costume anymore!
I agree---further evidence of the decline of civility and concern for the good of us all in our politics. Very sad indeed.
I must have missed the part where Walsh said Obama was a lying black man.
Cause I saw him talking about SS, in which it is undisputed that Obama was lying.
Care to elaborate Feisty? How about you Steeler? And where's Nash? Said said very concisely just this morning that just cause you disagree with someone doesn't make you a racist.
Wait, she was talking about that Jew hater David Walker, but you get the point.
I know Mixed Bag and Ira do. Thanks Feisty for yet again highlighting the deep thoughts from you libbies.
More evidence that everyone in Washington is showboating - no one there is interested in actually doing anything for the citizens.
Yep.. the Empire is in decline. There is no other way to say it. Government has goneaway from been "For the people", to being for my constituents only.
Its this devisiveness that has started and will be the end of the U.S. The only thing we as a country are good at these days is fighting wars and making bombs.
Sounds a lot like Rome was way back when...
Democrats and Rebuplicans - you all go ahead and cheer on your best "man" - they are fighting for you ( ....right?)
I hear they partied in Rome as the empire fell
When congressional members sign pledges to lobbyists or oaths to religious radicals, it's not even about being for their own constituents, or even many in their own base. This is beyond the pale.
Like that pledge Van Jones signed.
But see True it kinds tells us who and what they are.
Unlike Obama "I am a blank slate."
If you believe in something sign away. You know principles and al that.
Or like when Obama singed that pledge to rich folks - you remember the one where he cut their taxes. That was right nice of Obama. Taking a pledge for the rich.
Spanky, our youthful professional student practicing litigation on FR -- You gotta do better than that. Like Van Jones is who, a leader of a Party, a major player, who is committed to getting at the truth, and this compares how? A "blank slate" and should we put that in context? And no, freerepublic is NOT a credible source. You may note various GOP presidential candidates like Romney and Pawlenty are refusing to sign oaths, and that's the first smart move we've seen from them.
Boehner and Cantor in the same foxhole.... now, ain't that sweet? But where are the jobs? I thought they were elected with a mandate to create jobs.
They better hope First Lady hopeful Marcus Bachmann doesn't join them. Good thing only Michele signed The Marriage Vow, because it hints at gerbils.
OMG true patriot, I just spit out the wine I was drinking all over my new computer!!!! I was thinking of calling them M&M but First Lady hopeful Marcus is so more polite.
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Hey, wait a minute- that ain't no fox hole. It's a LATRINE PIT!!
So that's where that smell is coming from.
If they screw this up ..it will take a lot more then their " BRO MANCE " to get us out of of this financial meltdown that is about to take place ! They have no idea the whole world is watching this cat fight ...and if we are so broke ...why are these "idiots making 16K plus a month ...they are lil more then administrative assistants....attempting to run a country
LoL Administrative assistants everywhere are outraged by that comparison, and especially your conclusion that Congress is "more" than they are. Not even close, and THEY have to pay part of their benefits, too.
What was i thinking... I didn't mean to offend anyone ....i however did think of the back lash that could come my way .. after my time was up ... to fix it .....my bad !
Say it isn't so----better hope your administrative assistant doesn't read the post!! I would be lost without mine---in fact I have been lost this week since she is on a well-deserved vacation!
Off topic---I once worked somewhere where one of the assistants went to lunch and never came back---hated it so much she didn't even bother to quit! (couldn't blame her).
Crybaby Boehner doesn't have any choice but to cuddle up with Cantor who appears to be the more unreasonable of the 2. In any event, Cantor has "out-eviled" Boehner so that puts Cantor in charge.
Eric Cantor has made both Mitch McConnell and Crybaby Boehner look like to weak fools with no backbone who are unable to handle their own children.
Boehner:
By "problem," he must not be talking about the deficit because solving that problem didn't elude Bill Clinton, and that was only 11 years ago. Apparently, the problem he's worried about how to get rid of Medicare and Social Security, a problem Republicans that have in fact failed to solve for decades.
Houston---they are sure giving that "getting rid of Medicare and Social Security" their best try, though!
Our Republican representatives are totally focused on cutting taxes and on reducing government without any reservation or conscience for severity in reducing government’s performance or for the negative impact on the average American’s daily life. As long as they continue their total commitment to and complete dependence on Special Interests and the influential, powerful and extremely wealthy few, there is no way that can change. This has become totally obvious in their stubborn and persistent advocating of and protection for positions completely favoring the few, their strong supporters and extensive benefactors, and including the resulting detriment to the majority. All of the rationalizations, subterfuge and deceptive justifications can’t hide the reality that they literally have no choice, that they can’t govern impartially / fairly and still be loyal to those who insure their existence.
Over recent years we have seen this becoming increasingly drastic, with it reaching an obvious severe irresponsibility under Bush-Cheney, and currently can see the party’s strongly enforced unity behind this dependency - marked by the necessity for their aggressive and belligerent efforts to aggressively con and manipulate public opinion. The constantly and dynamically increasing costs and the requirements for more and more overt and covert support just to successfully compete in politics and then their choosing to turn to the few, who then own and control them, has created this reality. It was easy and successful for them and now “the pit is dug deep” with them becoming emboldened and also totally dependent. The ideal resolution to allow responsible escape would be to get money out of politics but that isn’t going to happen easily as those with the power will aggressively fight it. To be blind to this only makes voters co-responsible and ultimately victims.
Bipartisanship with compromise and the real focus being on cooperatively resolving problems and creating policy that responsibly benefits the country, the majority, is what we need, yet it is clear that Republicans can’t even consider that and instead must continually offer deceptive rationalizations to justify their strong positions slanted to favor only the few and to con the majority. The Democrats are not without fault or sin but not only have they been actually handicapped by not taking the same route (which both parties couldn’t have) they are also not locked into the same dependency and can actually focus on the people - agree with their philosophies or not, they are simply the only logical choice to avoid perpetuating a progressively worsening, progressively costly situation. Hopefully the Republicans then can get the message.
We need compromise and the scary part we are dealing with evangelicals who have swooped down to save us from ourselves. Just need to pray. They don't need to pay our nations bills or do their jobs. They want to make government smaller by leaving the corporations alone and moving into our bedrooms and bodies instead. Besides any day the rapture is going to happen.
If you listen to someone like bachmann she thinks that shutting down the government will do all this for her. Minds that are so locked in their beliefs that commen sense does not exist. bachmann who signed a pledge that stated that blacks had better chance of a two parent home under slavery than since Obama has become president wants to become president. Her husbands beliefs about gays, they are barbarians. Your are going to pray someone straight. She scares me, someone that waco wielding anykind of power.
After watching him dance I think any day now he going to come out as the example that you can be prayed straight because it happened to him.
In states where Republicans have control they are trying to end abortions. In church wielding countries being gay is a crime. T-vangicals scary. So right and holy and easily whipped into a frenzy.
Republicans like my father could read 10 articles on a subject, one would back his view and the other 9 were against his view so his solution was to make the 9 articles liberal lies. Unfortunately his closed minded hate did not die with him, it lives on in people like bachmann.
The T-Vangelicals thought that the 2010 elections gave them a mandate to move our country to moral issues. The main issue is following their morals.
The Republicans are not your friends, the people in Wisconsin have got it. Are you smart enough to get it?
Is this Boehner's "Helluva a job, Brownie" endorsement? If you think Boehner cries a lot in public think about what he must be doing in private.
LOL, love the reference... and the comparison is sooooo appropriate. Talk about inept politicians being in jobs for which they are not qualified getting in way over their head. I wonder how soon before we have to call in the national guard ?
John Cobb, I agree with dirp101, excellent analogy. "Heckuva job" is right, walking away from a Grand Bargain, that would slash the deficit, in order to asure your base you haven't shaken the hand of ***eech!****that scary guy in the White House.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Well I guess Mr. Obama will be able to relate to that seen as he has had his hand up his own ass ever since he set foot in the White House!
Kevin: that does not even make sense.
Anna Molly, since I have Spanky and mixed Bag on ignore, I get to enjoy your end of the conversation without enduring reading their childish insults. It's heaven!
Ignore?
Now why would any rational person intentionally want to exclude part of the discussion. Just because they disagree?
How silly. Plus it sure doesn't say much for the ignorer. Kind of a white flag. An admission that the ignoree have gotten the better of them and they cannot defend themselves or their positions.]
Also kind of runs afould of the whole debate/discussion concept of boards like these. Guess our friend Amy only wants to hear one side. Her side. Too bad.
Oh well, to each his or her own. Sure does sanitize, yet diminish by making smaller their world.
Note to self----never get into an argument with Anna Molly!
Spanky: I agree. So long as the writers don't get into name calling or truly vile arguments it is worth seeing the arguments.
The only problem I have on this vine is the collapsing. If the first person is collapsed, an entire discussion disappears. Can't they collapse a specific argument ( xyz is an idiot or something like that) without losing many coherant statements ?
dirp101
Hang around awhile. You'll have Spanky and Mixed Bag on ignore soon enough.
Nah, I just laugh and scroll..... I only mark those who are truely vile as inflammatory. Fortunately, we haven't had many advertisers on here for while. They are the only one's I mark to ignore.
Boehner and Cantor can put on this phony united front, but I would for sure watch my back Mr. Speaker. Cantor has you looking ineffective as a leader of the house. He can't even wait til it's his turn to become speaker as he takes leadership of the merry band of tea partiers. He now thinks he speaks for them and can control them too. These are the same people we saw at the Palin rallies with their hateful signs; the same people who dis-owned being a "republican"; the same people who have no one leader that speaks for them; the same people who refuse to listen to experts and see the facts even before their face, and some how they are all suppose to get in line behind the old school republican leaders like Boehner, Mitch and others. YEA, RIGHT!!! I just saw one teapublican yesterday call the POTUS a liar...total disrespect. I heard one freshman teapublican say that the POTUS should have met with them instead of the leadership. WTF!!!! You have total chaos in the party and you deserve every bit of it cause we saw you cow-tow to them for over two years when they first came on the scene. I hope they will finally be the riddance of this republican party and the American people will replace them too with sane and respectful representatives.
That hug looked like they do that frequently,probably in a tanning tub. Cantor better watch his/her butt . Nancy pelosi looks like she has had he fill of him and she might take him over her knee and spank him.
Wow Boehner and Cantor united
Yes united in doing NOTHING
UNITED to DESTROY American Middle Class, OLD , POOR
UNITED behind Millionaires, Billionaires, KOCH Brothers, Big OIL, Insurances Companies
UNITED in doing nothing for the American People
Vote NO TO REPUBLICANS /TP
What problem that has eluded Washington for decades, One short decade ago we had a balanced budget and a surplus to start paying down our debts,,,,,,,Of course that was under a Democrat so it must not count??
Boehner bailed out Cantor today and he now owns him. In tonite's WH meeting he apparently said ZERO in the meeting.
Looks like his "et tu Eric" cabal is over and he is know Boner's biotch
Perhaps we are looking at the "New 2012 Republican Nominees"!!!!
I can just hear it, "You and Me Against the World..."
Obviously, Speaker Boehner is intoxicated while on duty (I.O.D.). Maybe he and Eric should go on a Friday date; to the front-lines in Afghanistan while watching the cinema classic "Bunga-Boys in a Foxhole" LOL!!
In 1996 Bill Clinton ran against Newt Gingrich. Bob Dole was the official nominee but he turned Dole into Gingrich. President Obama has found the Newt Gingrich of 2012. His name is Eric Cantor.
Well John Boehner, in the 2010 election cycle, you and Mitch McConnell made the decision to welcome the craziest of the crazies, the tea party clowns, into your tent. Now they’re stabbing you in the back and you can’t do anything about it. If a deal is not reached the economy will crash. Seniors may not get their Social Security, people will see their 401-K tank again, interest rates will increase, the unemployment lines will grow, and the vast majority of the American people will blame Republicans. If this happens, 2012 will be a bad year for Republicans. It will be so bad that 2008 look good by comparison. You made a deal with the devil and now it’s time to pay the price. You have nobody to blame except yourself. Remember, tea parties are for little girls and their make believe friends.
you said it Charlie.....they did indeed invite and patronized these crazies in order to try to win both houses. Now they can't even get enough "teapartiers" to show up at events. The media has overblown this supposedly movement and maybe those in attendance a year ago are finally beginning to get smart and learn that they were used by the corporate backers. HA, HA!!! Now you see these obnoxious members in the house that have no respect for the leadership nor the POTUS. This republican party deserves them and I hope it leads to their demise.