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“The meeting ‘ended with the President abruptly walking out of the meeting,’ Cantor told reporters after the session,” per the New York Daily News. "I know why he lost his temper. He's frustrated. We're all frustrated."
The New York Post: “Angry Obama walks out on debt-limit talks.”
The Hill: “Obama warns Cantor: 'Don't call my bluff' in debt-ceiling talks”
Roll Call: “As news broke late Wednesday that Moody’s Investors Service was mulling a downgrade of the U.S. government’s triple-A credit rating, Congressional leaders emerged from a ‘tense’ White House meeting that ended abruptly after a heated exchange between President Barack Obama and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.).”
The Wall Street Journal: "Moody's Investors Service said it was reviewing the government's top Aaa bond rating for a possible downgrade, citing the ‘rising possibility’ that the government's $14.29 trillion borrowing limit won't be raised soon enough to prevent the U.S. from running out of money to pay its bills."
Stu Rothenberg’s take: “Fundamentally, the two parties are fighting over values, not dollars. … [I]n reality, what we are witnessing is nothing less than a fight over the role of government. And it is much harder, if not impossible, to “split the difference” on these kinds of matters of opinion.”
“Failing to pay what is owed holders of Treasury bills, bonds, and other investments tied to the US government could cause catastrophic short-term problems, such as the credit market freezing as fearful banks refuse to loan money,” the Boston Globe writes. “Long term, any failure to meet these obligations would drive up costs of borrowing, adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit. For those next in line to receive money due from the government, the future is much murkier.” That includes Social Security.
"The White House on Wednesday declined to challenge an account in a new book that suggests that President Obama, in his campaign to overhaul American health care, mischaracterized a central anecdote about his mother’s deathbed dispute with her insurance company," the New York Times says. During his presidential campaign and subsequent battle over a health care law, Mr. Obama quieted crowds with the story of his mother’s fight with her insurer over whether her cancer was a pre-existing condition that disqualified her from coverage."
"But in 'A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mother,' author Janny Scott quotes from correspondence from the president’s mother to assert that the 1995 dispute concerned a Cigna disability insurance policy and that her actual health insurer had apparently reimbursed most of her medical expenses without argument... The book concludes that although Mr. Obama often suggested that Ms. Dunham 'was denied health coverage because of a pre-existing condition, it appears from her correspondence that she was only denied disability coverage.' Ms. Dunham, an anthropologist who worked on development projects in Indonesia, died in 1995, less than a year after her diagnosis."
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Cantor will definitely like the headlines, Obama vs Cantor. John Boehner, beware of this vulture.
If Obama doesn't get his way, he storms out like a spoiled child. It's his way or nothing and he makes up lies to spew to the media--just like in the medical issue. Cap and Trade got sent to the EPA. All he wants is to raise taxes--he will not cut spending in any way even though last year he said he wouldn't raise taxes in a recession. I guess he forgot what he said. The question is--has the economy gotten any better since he has been president?
whaaa, mommy, the bad conservatives are saying no to me, whaaaa
More Tea Bagger talk. You people that are so illiterate as far as economics is concerned.
absolutley right job1:
a. the more taxes increase, the more private sector jobs are created.
b. NOTHING bad about the economy is barry's fault, only bush's.
Mr. Cantor has 'shorts' betting against the debt ceiling being raised. If he is a very good boy right now we might recuse him from this issue. If not, Cantor should be removed from office.
Leader McConnell is scared to "co-own the bad economy". You can't trust Republican congressionals with your money. They had zero fiscal responsibility under Bush, same as now.
The debt and deficit bills run up by President Bush were the most in our history. Now the big three boys don't want to raise the debt ceiling to cover those bills.
These 3 Phonies raised the debt ceiling on Bush's watch seven times.
The members of the House should only pay attention to one oath:
Any other "oath" is meaningless. And by what right does Grover Norquist decide what should and should not be done with the budget ? For an interesting take on it read :http://www.washingtonpost.com/how-grover-norquist-hypnotized-the-gop/2011/06/30/AGYOUlsH_story.html.
NOW GET TO WORK AND DO WHAT YOU HAVE SWORN, UNDER OATH, TO DO !!!!
If you do not, you should be removed from office, for perjery.
Cantor is lying and of course all the Republicans on this post bought his lie, lock stock and barrel. Difference between Cantor storming and the President leaving a meeting. It is not storming out when you tell everyone I'll see you tomorrow. And if you are President, which Cantor is not thank God, everyone works on your time clock. Cantor doesn't realize that yet or he is just lying. I think the latter. He is a cheap politician. As cheap as they come. Not sure I can say Boehner is as cheap as Cantor. Boehner at least cares about his country. Cantor? His hair!
Who started the walking out ? It was Cantor. He must have been a terribly spoiled child, always getting his own way. It's time for him to grow up and learn what governing is all about. It's about the art of compromise and the President has done more than his fair share. It's because of people like Cantor, Bachman and their ilk that I have changed my party. I was a Republican but no more. After this show I wouldn't vote for another Republican if he were the best candidate on earth !
So, we are all supposed to believe Eric Cantor's version of events as the only true and honest version? Please.
Cantor has an agenda and he made sure he got to the news microphones first. And the conservatives on these threads are lapping this up as gospel. Please.
The debt ceiling is artificial in that they money being spent has already been authorized by Congress in appropriations. The debt ceiling is just an acknowledgement of what they have already legally commited to spend. Why is this not acknowledged in discussions--it shows the fraud being perpetrated by refusing to acknowledge what they and previous Congresses have committed.
fielden, Who's version are we suppose to believe when all we get is sound bites from the participates and the news media. This is why I have been saying that the talks should be on TV so the public can watch and draw our own conclusions based on what we see. The politicians are afraid to face the public.
Tell the stock market the debt ceiling is artificial, they seem to be taking it seriously.
That may be Pius, but McConnell and Boehner are no boy scouts either. They are ALL still stuck on stupid talking points in meeting.
fielden -- Jon Stewart did a spoof about how supply-side economics has become religion and every time they said Reagan's name they have to give praise. It's funny because of the grain of truth, and sad for the same reason.
dave -- I get what you're saying. The debt ceiling has to be raised because of PAST spending, not new spending going forward. This correction has been made over and over, but the conservatives still don't get it.
Uh, yeah, the President always ends the meetings. That's what all presidents do. Gawd conservatives are lame.
TruePatriot, The fact that the debt ceiling has to be raised because of past spending has not been lost by Republicans. But we can not keep raising the debt ceiling time after time because the politicians want to spend more money in the future on more worthless programs that are bankrupting the country. So what do you propose besides just more spending and raising taxes. The debt ceiling will be raised however the people wanting the raise should be able to say what will they do to keep from asking for another one down the road? Remember it was Obama that said "the fact that we are here debating raising the debt ceiling, shows a lack of leadership in Washington." Then he voted no to raising the debt ceiling. Remember Obama spent over 1 trillion in stimulus' and Obamacare is costing billions and we don't even know if it is constitutional. Why not put all the monies set aside for Obamacare until the courts decide. What is wrong with putting in writing a democratic proposal as to what programs will be reduced or cut in the future. Remember the democrats promised President Bush the first that if he went along with their tax raises they would cut spending, didn't work out that way as the democrats said we got what we want so we can break our part of the agreement. I have a feeling the same thing would happen again, I do not trust Obama, Harry Reid, Pelosi and the other leading democrats.
I've heard the president tell this story about his mother's last days, and every time I heard him tell it, he said he remembers watching his mother fighting the insurance companies about her coverage. I never once heard him say that coverage was denied - big difference. Secondly, I find it hard to believe that if the president was misrepresenting the facts, that Cigna, given the heated health care debate, would not take the opportunity to contradict the president if they could. Come on FR, let's get back to the important issues like how the republicans are using the debt ceiling debate to distract from not doing anything about jobs like they promised they would in the 2010 campaign?!
Andy,
Yes, you gotta wonder what hearsay-mongering about the President's mother has to do with the potential fiscal life and death of the US. Or the fiscal future of our global economy.
We pay the 3 R Jokers to govern on serious matters but they can't bring themselves to do it.
Can't we give the Republicans some credit for having their fingers on the pulse of what is important to the American people? They did give it their all in their valiant effort to save the incandescent light bulb didn't they? Saving the shorter lived incandescent light bulb is vital to saving jobs in the red states. After all, don't you know how many Republicans it takes to change a light bulb?
Andy, they are doing exactly what they said they would in terms of jobs. If taxes go up, jobs won't happen. If spending keeps up at the current rate, we will have to default on our bills because we will keep losing jobs like the 20,000 we lost because of the stupid light bulb bill (Al in CA) and we won't have enough income to pay the bills. The debt ceiling has already gotten to rediculous almost doomsday levels and Obama wants more credit to spend what we don't have and without any spending cuts. How could anyone be stupid enough to agree with that?
Then the Community Organizer uses his old tactics of Extortion and threat. If you don't give me what I want I'll march, or riot or in this case starve your vets and old and disabled people. What a slug. This is Chicago Thug Politics at its worst.
I worked for insurance company's ... its doesn't have to ever be denied ..you get your "account coded " ..slo pay ...hold funds as long as possible ..hold out a quarter and the interest on the insurance account is huge ..the money to pay a claim is put aside the minute the claim is excepted....you try to keep from paying it as long as possible making further interest on the interest bearing pay out account ! The family keeps getting the unpaid bills ...the insurance makes millions in interest ! ...the insurance company is a business to make a profit not to pay your claims !
"Shaking my head" Keep shaking, something may pop loose we can hear and confirm its occupied.
Thanks for the good laugh. But you really need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid (does it smell like almonds?).
"If taxes go up, jobs won't happen."
Where do you get such ideas from? That generalization flies in the face of evidence.
http://arthuride.wordpress.com/2011/06/12/reagan-bush-clinton-bush-obama-and-the-national-debt-and-education/
You can continue to believe it if it keeps the ideology neat and tidy.
wow, what a shock: anyone but unions give the potus 1 trillion in cash, a dem beats a conservative in california, and barry does not storm out of debt talks.
riveting, in depth, non partisan reporting from msdnc
how about the palin article in newsweek? we know larry o's opinion, but has ed shultz called her a whore yet?
Hey Mitch, MSN has the all-important faith coverage of Pawlenty....you gotta love that don't you?
RE: Palin...maybe, just maybe:
there was nothing of substance in the NW article
she's not running for anything
everyone is sick of her worn out schtick
there's lots hotter chicks to view just about anywhere you look
........just a few reasons she's been overlooked.....
vermont-lol! hows bernie? you know bernie sanders, the admitted commie you guys keep sending back to DC?
lol, real credible.
If I had to put up with Cantor's rude smugness, I would walk away. That is better than punching him in then nose.
obviously an antisemitic remark
I wouldn't. I'd deck the little weasle, and while I was doing it, I'd ask... "My Waterloo, huh?"
dbo, your mistaken, your messiah brings a knife to a fist fight, a gun to a knife fight, etc. remember?
speaking of rude, have you forgotten barrys famous statement "we won". that is a good indicator of what conservatives have to deal with.
Perhaps the President should have the Secret Service remove Baby Talk Eric from the room the next time he acts up.
Hey Mitch, is that kinda like Bushes, "I have political capital now & i'm gonna spend it"?
Want me to call the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance forya?
Yep over and over they have to deal with having their heads handed to them by a "community organizer" I guess that is a little humiliating.
Just so we are all on the same page, this is the Grand Bargain, the deal Obama is offering the Republicans to reduce the federal deficit by historic proportions. This Republicans are walking away from, no wonder The President is frustrated:
Cuts:
Total: $1.7 trillion to $2.3 trillion
Revenues:
Total: $422 billion
http://www.businessinsider.com/what-a-debt-ceiling-grand-bargain-looks-like-2011-7
Amy, I agree that the Repub are walking away from this deal is insane. But for them it is not making government work, but destroying it. They are so wrapped up in all their pledges they can't see straight.
amy, sure is a shame you believe what is not in writing from the messiah. unfortunately, you continue to parrot the propaganda. consider this question: what about cuts now, and proposed tax increases "over 10-15 years"?
lol, didnt think so.
He is not a king Mitch, whatever he put in writing would be amended by congress who has the responsibility of a budget. The best he could do is propose what he would cut and then congress would do what congress does they would amend that list to eliminate any cuts that might jeopardize votes from their district. Get real. He was willing to take political heat for serious spending cuts, republicans are not willing to take the heat from old ladies with tea bags hanging from their straw hats.
forrest, he is your king. again, name one specific cut the dems have put IN WRITING?
yea, hes risking so very much, lying to you and the rest of the sheep.
if it aint in writing, its a lie.
Mitch you're so busy shrilling the party line you missed the facts.. Again. Go read Amy's post to see what was put in writing. If you can read.
Amy at above post 4.7 & Amused - You might want to go back and take a look at the information you are saying Obama has agreed to in writing or put on the table. What you pasted was what a writer by the name of Zeke Miller wrote on Jul 6, 2011, and states this "might be what a deal would look like" it's his opinion and no where does it say that Obama or anyone else has even mentioned what he wrote. Quit posting garbage Amy and get your facts right.
Amy and Amused - In fact Zeke was not even stating his opinion but was copying a Times article by Jay Newton Small on Jul 6, 2011.
True colors have never been brighter than what I have read here. Mitch J your thoughts and tone are clear and you are entitled to them just as Amy, FG are theirs. There is no shortage of blame (both sides) nor flip comments about all. What matters is what are we going to do to fix the problem, sitting here calling each other names solves nothing, proves nothing. How about some ideas how to correct what has been and is wrong with this country, Greed! just that simple, those that have want more, those that have nothing dream about more. Mitch J, ever try working with someone rather than putting them down, doubt it from you tone. While we bitch about the politician we continue to get nowhere in solving the problems, while the politician continue to argue nothing gets fixed. What happen the America being the country with people who can work together to fix anything. We now squabble like any other 3rd world country crying about our problems. No one can fix our problems but us.
Come on Myth, excuse me, Mitch, even if he put it in writing you know he would use disappearing ink just to mess with your head.
anyone see morning Joe? he actually had the guts to ask for one single specific item the democrats have proposed to reduce spending in the last 2+ years.
NONE of his guests could come up with anything.
that children is it in a nutshell, as much as the libs want everyone not to notice it! anyone who says otherwise is a liar.
So you are claiming that not only in the 2.5 Trillion dollar deal the Vice President was heading up and in the 4 Trillion dollar deal the President was heading up that both the 2.5 and 4 Trillion in cuts were all 100% proposed by the GOP and that the Democratic leaders in the Congress and White House put forth nothing and yet the GOP walked out of both sets of talks because all the Democrats spoke about were revenue changes...and you're basing this on the fact the Morning Joe tv cast (who appear to universally know everything about everything) can't name anything?
...and when logic like this becomes our method of proof we wonder why OJ and CA were found not guilty...
allen, your right, morning joe is in no way working for the white house. msdnc has no direct affiliation with them.
just ask the guy that called barry a d_ck.
Our political system is clearly broken. I would say lets pick a new government the same way we pick a jury but due to current events even that's out.
Well that is the problem with our justice system, why would you put justice in the hands of twelve people who are not smart enough to get out of jury duty.
"OOOOH MISSY" ! .. Your such a Drama Queen ....lol
All you Republicans know President Obama is kicking Cantors butt, and you also know Cantors lying bout what went down in that meeting. It's the old saying that goes back several years, "how do you know Cantors lying? He's opening his mouth.
I see the next distraction from the real issues is going to be President Obama's mother and her health care. Come on MSN you can do better than this, if you want to follow Fox (aka republican propaganda machine) then you'll go down with them. They've already proved to be crooks and law breakers. Do you want to be part of that?
I must say I have never been more proud of a president since JFK. No one is perfect but this President is the real deal. He wants America to be strong and progressive and its citizens to grow and prosper. Given his back ground what else would he desire. When the least of us does well we all grow by leaps and bounds. Republicans have always been outrageous and paranoid by nature, Joe McCarthy, Nixon, Bush, Gingritch, Bachmann are all trying to get attention with fear, lies and distortions, there isn't a truth in their head.
"the greek", speaks volumes!
>Andrew the Greek - thank you for seeing Bachman for the liar she is - we here in Minnesota KNOW she creates a "reality" all her own! Do NOT trust anything Michelle Bachman says! There are numerous examples of her outragous distortions and outright lies. I wish I could say I was stunned by her accusations of the President being untruthful - but, after years of watching her insanity, I cannot say I am stunned. It is "stunning" to see how many people (according to the polls) are actually buying her line of 'BULL'
I laugh when she gets on her sharia law kick, because I can't help thinking if anybody makes it seem like a good idea to keep a woman's mouth wrapped in scarves you do Bachmann.
The Republicans in Congress are refusing to do their job.
I cannot believe they are willing to put the entire nation in jeopardy.
On the contrary, the GOP is doing EXACTLY what they were hired to do in November.
STOP the wild spending. Obama is one and DONE in 2012. :) KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK GOP!
He won't lose to any of the current republican candidates, you better find someone else if you want that wish to come true.
both parties get a real job!! take a pay-cut like all use to be middle class americans. freeze or lose your pensions! oh ,yea we use to have those til the american greed started & the stock market dropped!! own a small business, like we have since 1964 and then you risk everything to keep your "American dream". get rid of everyone of you and start over!! oh, and did i say grow up and get a real life!!!!
President Obama's mother was "only" denied diability coverage. Only.
Any one who is, or has been, disabled knows how important short term and long term disability is. So let's see, disabled and cannot support yourself, Teapublicans and insurance companies say get well or die, either way take care of yourself.
No one should ever expect an insurance company to pay for coverage you have been paying on.
Teapublican plan for illness and disability? Throw them on the street for waste management to hall away.
moody? a down grade? who trust moody? they should be in jail for their role in the economic chrash! they are just a needle the wall street masters want to insert into the fray.
good for you, mr president, stand your ground and make them vote. forget the compromise, we don't need cuts we need revenue and stimulous to provide jobs!
make them call the vote! what a bunch of terrorist and traitors to the constitution of these United States!
Wondered when someone would bring up some facts about Moody's. There are some people there that certainly need to be in jail. They completely ignored the contents of bond packages full of loans everyone who looked knew would never be paid back and rated them AAA therefore setting up anyone investing in those bonds for disaster. They are crooks and criminals who are responsible, more so than many others, for the collapse of our economy. Republicans ignore this post, it contains facts.
not just Moody - If criminal law applied to Congress - they would be charged with EXTORTION!
The Republicans have taken ALL of us hostage - they should be charged as criminals!
For all you tax cut friends. The ecomomy grew the fastest after Reagan raised taxes in the 80's and then after Clinton raised taxes in the 90's. In the 2000's Bush cut taxes and everything went to hell and we went into a recession that the Republicans want to keep going so they can get the President out of office. Do any of these so-called smart Republicans know any history at all ? If they do they would stop calling for tax cuts .
Oh yeah history like when "Paul Revere warned the British by a ringing those bells and firing those warning shots to let them know they were not going to get our guns" - Sarah Palin Does that answer your question Gilly?
It''s amazing to me how the republicans want to sit back with their hands cross while Rome (America) is burning...They think this little ploy of theirs is going to make people blame President Obama if this country goes into defualt, but they better look again because their little nasty, dirty tricks and schemes are only going to backfire on them and as a results, the republican party is going to just about become distinct...The majority of the people in this country are not stupid and they see the republicans are trying to highjack this economy, but trust me, they will pay dearly for it at the polls.......
I will never forget the image of Cantor laughing and playing with his cellphone during the state of the union address, like a spoiled child, showing such disrespect for the President. It doesn't matter who happens to be President at the moment. The state of the union address is a solemn constitutionally-mandated occasion during which all in attendance should show proper respect. That image sums up all one needs to know about Cantor. The self-centered spoiled child who cannot be trusted. His conduct during these negotiations is completely consistent with that image.
Robert,
That's because the State of the Union address wasn't being given by a REAL President. The Pretender in chief, community organizer, inept, empty suit, teleprompter trooper doesn't deserve respect like a REAL President would.
Cantor knows this, thats why he was laughing.
Edward , got tin hats for sale cheep. Is you're worn out yet?
Edward,
Supprised you even watched the speach, everyone knows it was faked like the moon landing.
Not much to fake Tis,
Just read the words on the teleprompter, and look concerned. LOL
Oh make no mistake Eddie he really is the President, he lives in the WhiteHouse, travels on Air Force One, has veto powers, Commander in Chief of the military, the whole nine yards. Now I will help you out, say it with me, "Barrack Obama is The President of the United States of America". I hate to see you in denial like this Ed it is just not healthy, not to mention not knowing the current President of the US is a classic sign of serious mental distress. I hope you get better, you worry me Ed, call me if you have another episode.
AL in Visalia CA That was funny!!!
But seriously, I read somewhere that most of the incandescent bulbs are not manufactured in the US, so they were fighting to save jobs in other countries but haven't done anything to fight for American jobs.
What is amazing to me is that the conservatives have the same information that we do yet see something totally different. I guess critical thinking is not their strong suit.
They protect the top earners and big business claiming they are the job creators but the tax rates the last 10 years are the lowest in modern history and we lost how many jobs? Obviously what they say is not reality. Do the conservatives really think that by keeping taxes low business will not outsource? They can still outsouce which is cheaper and keep most of their earnings overseas and pay little to no US taxes. Why would they change their practices?
Most of those manufacturing jobs are gone and gone forever. The United States has moved from an industrial country to a service country (and this didn't happen overnight or since Obama was elected) This has been a steady thing for decades. We Americans (or most) want what we want, want it now and want it cheap!! Most Americans won't pay more for "Made in America", if we would, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. If imports had tariffs that would even out the trade deficit it would not be cheaper to manufacture overseas and maybe some of those jobs would have stayed in the states.
Do the conservatives think that higher taxes will keep business from selling their product in the US market? The US market that probably is bigger than the rest of the world combined? Not a chance!!! Conservatives say that the higher taxes are passed on to the consumer-which is probably true and because as I said Americans want cheap--we are not willing to pay--but if we were, then perhaps a lot of those jobs would have never left. Having more employed people raises tax revenue--which might lead to lower taxes in the long run and not just for business but for all!!
The little man-child Obama looks like the idiot he is!
He admitted to be "bluffing" and the GOP needs to take him to the woodshed.
WS,
This is your father, if anyone is going to the woodshed it is you. Remember I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it.
"The little man-child Obama looks like the idiot he is!"
That is exactly what Osama Bin Laden said.
“The meeting ‘ended with the President abruptly walking out of the meeting,’ Cantor told reporters after the session,” per the New York Daily News. "I know why he lost his temper. He's frustrated. We're all frustrated."
Cantor, why are you even there? you are one of the dumbest republicans there is...leave it to the smarter senators...go suck on some cow teets and come back when the session is over. now get out of there before you screw up america!!!!
Feisty, Why do liberals have to call names so much? Right wing nitwits??? If we could get all of the name calling off of this site it would be much easier to read the ideas. Of course there would only be conservative ideas. LOL
Robert@mo,
Right, I have never once seen Feisty come up with an original thought. She must be at the very bottom of the Liberal's mental food chain. All she knows how to do is cut and paste, and spew hate filled comments.
She would not be missed if she was excluded from the vine.
Wants To Know,
You don't know much do you. If Obama was a "man" he wouldn't have left the room like a Wimp.
Besides you seem to be picking on only one item in my comment. Did you bother to read the entire thin?
Both the Republicans and the Democrats are nothing but crooks, bigtime bought off crooks. This is what needs to change. Obama is just like the rest and you seem to have a problem understanding this.
These guys make a lot of noise and staging just like supposed "pro-wrestling". Old ladies and redneck Nascar fans love this stuff but sorry to say it ain't real. Just like Washington Politicians make a lot of noise but in the end they get paid by the same people and it ain't the American citizens. Big business and powerful organizations pay these guys and they aren't helping us. This includes your cherished Obama.
If these guys were working for us then why don't they have the same healthcare plan and retirement that we do? Maybe because they think they are above us just like the CEO's of big business?
Cliff: the entire 'walk out in a huff" "you want to call my bluff", might not be totally staged. I do believe both sides do have strongly felt opinions on the running of our government. However, all politicians are overly addicted to publicity. I think President Obama wanted to move the discussion to Camp David to get everyone away from the 24/7 news cycle and, hopefully, hammer out a deal. When everyone involved is more interested in what they say to the press, it makes it hard to come to a deal.
If the Republicans have really sworn an oath to not raise taxes, then they have violated their oath of office and should be impeached. The two are NOT compatible, since it is impossible to predict the circumstances to take place in the future.
Lots of politics being played these days by both Republicans and Democrats, nearly all of whom are primarily focused on being re-elected in the next election cycle. In my opinion, the ultimate fail safe solution to the deficit and debt crises and virtually all contentious issued faced by our dysfunctional politicians is the lack of term limits. With term limits, we can move forward. Without term limits we'll continue to have more of the same.
it wasn't public demand, but the unwisdom of the elites that did us in, the blame can be traced to three things. the bush-era tax cuts to the wealthiest americans. the wars in iraq and afghanistan, which we had no business in, but he tricked you all and made you thing that we should be there, and recklessness on the parts of wall street, greedy bankers. deregulation, so stop crying now and tell your representatives you demand change. and lighten up on our president, who is looking out for the everyday citizen.
right-on R. Koch