Why don't republicans take responsibility for their own actions? Palin says something stupid, it's then reported, and people like you pity poor palin.

I get a headache just trying to understand why someone would support the republicans of today.

LEONA,

Maybe this should be required reading for all of you that continue to post this outdated comment.

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1500-The-Republicans-Haven-t-Always-Been-Against-Raising-the-Debt-Ceiling

hmm.....

"The Undefeated" starring Sarah Duncecap, or the new Transformers movie?

Decisions, decisions.... well, Transformers will likely contain more factual information, and significantly less stupidity.

Transformers it is! :)

It's about time that this government did some thing for the working Americans, both those that are lucky enough, to just have a job, and those that have lost their jobs because of this economy. I'm not a lefty but I'm tired of the middle class being pushed into poverty because of the money people not creating jobs, just to make Odumbo look bad for reelection, at the expense of people who don't have a job, and want to work for a living. If releasing the reserves to help bring down the price at the pump, then I'm all for it. I'm sick and tired of the f/right propaganda that hurts the middle class, and what's left of it. the American people are hurting and want jobs. The repubs are in control now and I don't see them doing any better the Dems. I 'm also tired of the partisan bull crap that not creating jobs. All of these turds should kicked out of office, and that includes both sides. not just dems or repubs. They are all guilty of not doing the jobs they were elected to do. We need to clean house now before they cause any more damage. Plain and simple.

Palin is a republican so she's in it for the money. It's that simple.

Fixed (Fox) news is all about making up a story (True or not) running with it for money...

Palin works for fixed news fixed news pays Palin. anyone see what's happening here?

No Jo--I guess you're unaware that Obama pressed for more drilling and eased restrictions back in May. And please explain how selling oil from the reserves at a price higher than what it costs results in a net loss to the treasury. I know it's hard to keep up with the actual news when you're busy trumpeting yesterday's Republican talking points, but you ought to try to at least be logical.

Good post Tomvet. In 2012 we can choose between blatant malevolence or shameless incompetence. I'll let the dems and repubs fight about which is which.

"The Undefeated" starring Sarah Duncecap, or the new Transformers movie?

Decisions, decisions.... well, Transformers will likely contain more factual information, and significantly less stupidity.

Transformers it is! :)

...and miss the biggest comedy movie of the season?

Wake up people! Sara is coming just to make more money. She is in it for the Big Bucks and she is a media Whore. And the stupid people who think she is great don't have and more brains than God gave a snail. She will never be a Hillary, Michele, Jackie, Elenore, or even a Lady Bird. These are smart woman and Sara is a you Bet ah gal.

Obama was correct then and his statement is correct today, Boehner, Cantor & McConnell are failing horribly, they are not leading congress to an honest resolution to the debt crisis.

Obama, Pelosi & Reid are leading the country to an honest resolution to the debt crisis, reduce wasteful spending and increase revenue. Anyone who thinks the debt can be paid down otherwise is not living in the real world!

Drilling more wells (which President Obama did OK) does not address the immediate problem. It takes time (a lot of it) to produce a productive well. The question is what do we do now?

You want immediate impact - stop the speculators - that will save $0.80 per gallon right there.

I thought you guys were hollering for the government to relase some of the reserve??

I agree that a simple statement of her attending this premier would have sufficed....so why the negativity attached to it if not for some political reason? "Aims to get back into the limelight"....."steps on Mitt Romney"......spare us the partisan bs.

Yes Leona he said that and guess what the party of NO still won't admit they created the debt and lack of leadership. You don't fix in one term what took eight years of irresponsible leadership to screw up. Now who paid for Bush's wars. They weren't added into the budget, but they sure added to the deficit. Oh, and the party of NO still has no leadership!!! Now, get me started on Pelosi and her liberal gang. Pushed a health care bill, wouldn't push an immigration bill, etc. So whose at fault?? People like you on both sides who keep supporting either party and won't vote them out.

Sorry to disappoint the Palin haters, but she is probably the biggest fundraiser the GOP has, despite the differences between her and the Rebuplican leadership! And she's making money for herself too....! I'd take one of Palin over 20 Al Gores anyday for the positives she brings to the table. And I'm glad to see some of you are going to get tickets too! Lol, Sarah appreciates the effort, but I think you might be disappointed in the documentary. .... no liberal smoke and mirrors were used in its production!

no liberal smoke and mirrors were used in its production!

...replaced instead with Sarah's "Word Salad" so you can't tell what the hell exactly it is that she's saying.

As with all things political, business is business and must be attended to. Dishonesty and recklessness are the most avaiable and familiar tools by which this is executed. The master "smiths" of these wares are the darlings of the wind blown tumbleweeds of humanity. Sit back and let'er rip!

I wouldn't go across the hall to see this Soviet-style propaganda farce about Palin. There are so many people deserving of the attention, people who have the courage to fight the lies, distortions and sheer obstructionism from far-right goons holding America hostage in the House and Senate. People who have truths in their hearts that real Americans hold so dear. People who can vanquish the likes of Palin - word-soup-kitchen cook, Bachmann - wife of a religious zealot who pulls her puppet strings, Boehner - career politician under the control of Wall Street, Cantor - shrill shill of political swill, and Mc Connell - a bitter, evil-hearted 19th-century throwback.

LEONA-2986819

Let's post the entire quote;

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of
leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own
bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from
foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the
burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better."

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

He then voted AGAINST increasing the debt limit. "Do as I say, not as I do".

US Navy - Turn around time varies depending on type of well. Takes 3 - 6 months to drill a well minimum to get it in production. What you have is smoke and mirrors here. Obama lifted some restrictions in May, but I'm still not hearing any real relief from the EPA which has bottled up several pipeline constructions and typically bottles up refinery expansion and new plants. With the procedures put in place by the Fed - dilling won't start fro an additional year or two.

What's going on here is publicly stating what problem they want you to see, and doing publicly what it takes to remove that problem, but allowing other things to stop the process. When speculators figure this out, the price will increase again. The reason you have a problem with speculators is the way our government works is overly restricting in many levels the exploration and production of energy they don't favor - which creates or adds to the probability of shortages. Shortages invite speculators for the high profits they will receive should a shortage become real.

While MSNBC continues to cast Palin and other GOP candidates in the worst light...

No, I think Palin does that all by her little lonesome the moment she opens up her nearly useless mouth.

Jon - saying that may make you feel better, but saying so, doesn't make it true.

The Line of bull that it takes time to Drill an Effective well is just plain nonsence. They can be done Very quickly . its all the Regualation and permits and impact statements and lawsuits that make it take so long for a Well to be Drilled. All on has to do is think about the BP gulf Oil Spill and how long it took them to Drill a New Hole 5000 Feet below the Surface of the Sea all to releave pressure from the Leaking well so that it could be Capped.........

And people think it would take 10 years. we could do it in a Year if the Obama Administration and the Radical Democrats would get out of the way. But this is what they Wanted High Gas Prices High Oil prices High Energy Prices High Food Prices.. and a Terrible Economy so they could try and Blame Republicans The country is Waking up and wont fall for it anymore.. They will vote Obama out in 2012

Steveiam:

Yes, the actually drilling can occur quite quickly, but that is only part of the time needed to produce from a well. If a new well is already being drilled in an established field with production equipment in place, then it can be done quickly. For much of the exploratory drilling that occurs in the gulf, it can be several years before a well will produce any oil. In deepwater a well is not effective until a production platform, FPSO, or pipeline is put in which can take quite some time.

That being said, just because it will not have an immediate effect, does not mean it is of no importance. The honest truth is that we will be using oil for quite some time longer, so we have to plan out for long term as well as short term gain.

Another thing to be concerned about is the disruptions to the production schedule for many fields. Once the production wells are drilled the work is not over. In order to keep the oil flowing it is necessary to drill water injection wells to force the oil to the production well(s). When these injection wells are delayed, this means that there is a decrease in production. It may seem minor, but a 2-5% decrease in a field with tens or hundreds of millions of barrels is a considerable amount.

Must have missed the announcement she was running for a political office.

Nice to see that palin still has that ol' magic!

Stirring up the libs!! ROTFLMAO!!

No one should refer to Bush of two and a half years ago. But for everyone else we can go back as long as it makes YOUR point.

Palin was picked for the VP role because she was the dumbest woman McCain could find. He needed one so he could pretend he cares about women in an effort to get the Hilary voters. She had to be dumb so he could look smart. She now thinks she is smart enough to make President. The only people who supports her are the ones who believe there is no need for women to be smart and educated, they just have to look good and have a chest men can talk to. This poor thing who supported legislation in Alaska to pull support for handicapped kids, now pretend she care about others because she has on. Yeah, right. Did anyone listen to her reasons why the statue of liberty is there? Her version of history is funny. She works for Fox, because everyone watches for the comedy.

Instead of realizing what McCain did, insulting all the other qualified GOP women by picking the dumb brunette, they did not support the other women, they propped up Palin as the best there is because she represents the base that did not do very well in school and refuse to educate themselves.

So she makes these speeches, using her word salads since that's what her lemmings understands. They should sign her up for "Palin Comedy Hour". She could make her speeches and make a lot more money.

Oh Man I get exhausted explaining Oil markets to you guys. Please listen, for 100th time, you can open Drilling on the whole planet and it will not do anything short term and very little long term. OIL PRODUCERS ARE NOT GOING TO GLUT THE MARKET SO YOU CAN HAVE DOLLAR GASOLINE!

The only reason there is any tightness is supply is because futures markets hoard up the excess supply and Oil Companies will not break the hedge funds, its a golden goose for them.

Right now Oil Producers need the price to be somewhere between 70 to 100 dollars to justify allocated capital towards new supply. There is no reason for them to GLUT the Market.

Suppliers are in the sweet spot at the moment with the Markets sucking up everything they produce. If they increase production it requires more labor, more capital, more everything and in return they get less for their product.

Shareholders could care less about cheap gas!

Want to know why this story is up?

Here is why

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/obama-very-proud-of-his-record.html

Obama could not be prouder of himself for the last two years.

That about says it all.

So, rather than report the latest idiotic utterance from "the most gifted orator in the world"-

First read runs a Palin story.

It is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.

Have any of you drilling proponents considered what the result of unregulated drilling would be? You might not mind living in a world of polluted oceans and devastated landscapes, but some of us would mind a lot. We have a beautiful world to live in. I don't understand why we would try so hard to damage it.

The Gov is rightfully concerned about the sloppy practices that can reproduce a serious oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The faulty shut off valve was the primary culprit and the industry has not improved this device, hence a little caution.

Not: Jim Cramer said that speculation contributes to the rising cost of oil and that if the leverage were increased on speculators, a barrel of oil cost could be reduced by 30%. The CEO of Exxon said that uncontrolled( free market) speculation increases a barrel of oil by $30.00. Oil speculation could also be controlled if the ratio of speculation to future purchase ( ala~users like airlines) was reduced significantly and held constant. It's not all demand but some Wall street financial greed that has immediate impact on the price of raw oil. Of course Wall street will say its for 401K holders, but their concern is for high commissions, not concern for the market. some conmmon cense and less greed will suffice.

Supply is an issue , but its not the sole problem, right now supplies are strong.

Safety of is priotity #1, don't also forget that last year MI had a pipeline burst and environmental dammge was done on a river. Poor maintenace was the cause so don't irrationally quibble about regulations. Regulations are in effect becasuse of irresponsible industry practices with shortcuts. If you had honesty and integrity, you would not need many regulations--wishful thinking for human nature and greed.

Old Vet,

No Jo I guess you're unaware that Obama pressed for more drilling and eased restrictions back in May.

Of course she is aware what Obama said when his poll numbers were still plummeting after he tried to blame it on Libya, then the evil oil companies, then the evil speculators, then (... btw what ever happened to all those investigations Obama was calling for?) sheez .... Obama is trying to get re-elected. He will say anything to deflect responsibility.

No Joe is very bright and no doubt also understands Obama's deceit and clever use of words ..... as when Obama says "we should increase safe and responsible oil production here at home," the operative words are "safe" and "responsible." We will drill if it's safe for polar bears, caribou, lizards that no one has seen, unicorns ....... In other words ...... Lucy is saying, really, this time I won't yank the football away, Charlie.

Most children catch on. Why do liberals never get it?

Obama has said that under his energy policies "prices will necessarily skyrocket." His energy secretary, Steve Chu, has been trying to get gas prices to $8 a gallon for years. Why do you deny it?

No other wells in the Gulf were found to be unsafe, yet Obama ignored the recommendation of his experts study, he has ignored Congress, he has ignored a federal judge, he has ignored the contempt order, he placed a 7 year moratorium on the the east coast and west coast and eastern Gulf, he has prevented the drilling in the Chukchi and Beafort Sea off Alaska (the 2nd largest reserves after the Gulf), no ANWR ..... has pulled permits in Utah ..... designated areas wilderness sensitive ...... on and on.

Obama doesn't want any drilling ..... Stevie Wonder can see that. Obama wants his green dream that doesn't make economical sense - make economical sense by artificially raising (doubling / tripling) the price of energy. Duh.

So when he isn't cancelling leases, installing moratoriums, re-doing permitting standards - he plays other games for the useful idiots. Games like having his U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service trying to put some little 3" dune lizard in West Texas that nobody has seen on the Endangered Species list which could shut down / cripple West Texas oil production. Or a game like having his EPA hold air permits on Shell Oil because they had not taken into account the "greenhouse" gas emissions of an ice breaking vessel needed to plow through the Chukchi Sea to clear the way for drilling ships. Shell actually walked away after 5 years of this type of Obama bull@!$%# and walked away from $4 billion invested. It is just easier to deal with corrupt dictators that hate America than to deal with Obama. How pathetic is that Old "Charlie Brown" Vet.

And please explain how selling oil from the reserves at a price higher than what it costs results in a net loss to the treasury.

Please feel free to explain how the whole SPR (Stategic Petroleum Reserves) game works. But how is releasing oil bought at prices as much as 35 years ago and replacing it with oil bought in 2011, or 2012, or whenever ....... isn't a big net loss?

This will be only the third time in history reserves have been released. 20 million in the wake of the Gulf War in 1992 and 11 million with production interruption due to Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Obama releases almost the combined amount, not for an emergency, (such as a disruption in supply) unless you consider his poll numbers an emergency. Obama evidently feels his re-election is above everything else.

And please explain how Obama coordinated it with the IEA. If this is an International Energy Agency issue, why does America have to give it's reserves? Why not China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico, Canada .........

Does Obama have the right give away our emergency supply to lower the price for the Chinese who we will have to borrow money from to replace it?

What is "strategic" about this ....... other than as part of Obama's short term re-election "strategy"?

I know it's hard to keep up with the actual news when you're busy trumpeting yesterday's Republican talking points, but you ought to try to at least be logical.

According to Congressional Research Service, the United States has 1.365 trillion equivalent barrels of oil in natural energy (That is only oil, gas and coal - does not not account for shale, sand oil, etc.)

WE ARE THE RICHEST PLANET ON EARTH WITH REGARD TO NATURAL ENERGY - yet Obama wantonly destroys our energy industry. WE CAN BE COMPLETELY ENERGY INDEPENDENT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS- yet Obama makes us dependent and cripples the economy.

And you speak of Logic?

Might want to check the front door Old Vet ......... Lucy has her football.

BOB -

No Joe is very bright and no doubt also understands Obama's deceit and clever use of words ..... as when Obama says "we should increase safe and responsible oil production here at home," the operative words are "safe" and "responsible." We will drill if it's safe for polar bears, caribou, lizards that no one has seen, unicorns ....... In other words ...... Lucy is saying, really, this time I won't yank the football away, Charlie.

Most children catch on. Why do liberals never get it?

The very definition of the Pot calling the kettle black. Drilling is a red herring for folks like yourself who are foolish enough believe them and then go around spewing party rhetoric like a broken record.

The Oil Markets are worldly traded to the highest bidder, according to the Republicans drilling is the answer, do you intend to mandate non exportation, otherwise drilling will do nothing and Companies wont do it anyway to keep supplies low.

Republicans like Palin are smarter then you think, they are smart enough to know they can say things like drill baby drill and her at-tentative audience will do nothing to educate themselves about how the Markets actually work.

Its how Obama won the last election.

Kevin - Only the Arab States need $70 - $80 per barrel. The actual cost is $40 - $50 to produce a barrel. That mainly because of the Environmental requirements set on oil by State and Federal EPA's.

The issue is that back door areas where drilling is on hold because there are inadequate pipelines. If you get the pipelines to move forward then you will have a bottle neck in Refinery capacity. There is that much oil in North Dakota and the US-Canadian Border. Canada already sends us over half of our imported oil, if there hands were untied, they would send us a whole lot more. The Energy Crisis is a Politically created thing, not an industry thing.

DB Akron - You can remove the regulations and that would benefit in the short term but it doesn't change the Market Principle of low controlled supply benefits everyone but consumers.

I'm not debating the premise of Domestic Production, just the idea that somehow fixes the issue, or that will somehow create price deflation. Reduced use or Competition from multiple sources of energy is what will cause price deflation.

On world Markets Oil will only rise and that suits the producers just fine. That's my only point, FYI releasing the Strategic Reserve at the very least pissed of the Iranian Cleric who want sky rocketing prices.

Correction:

According to the Congressional Research Service, the United States has 1,324.1 billion BOE (Barrel Of Equvalent) in total fossil fuels.

Additional:

This 1,324.1 is more than Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Libya and Iraq COMBINED!

Canada, that DB mentions, has 218.6.

Oil rich Venezuela has 170.5.

Brazil, that Obama talks about has 121.4.

China has 503.2

Only Russia with 1,248.6 comes close. WE ARE THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WITH REGARD TO FOSSIL FUELS. And again this doesn't take into account shale and sand reserves which more than double the BOE of oil, gas and coal.

From: Congressional Research Service / US Fossil Fuel Resources: Terminology, Reporting and Summary / November 30, 2010 - Page 18.

Obama's energy policies and games are asinine. And these policies hurt no one more than poor, the middle class, the ones who have lost their jobs ........

And liberals think they care ......

yea right.

All the work she did in Alaska, was that before she quit, only in office for 2yrs I think. People like Palin should show just a little respect for the presidential race in this country rather than seeing it as away to make money for her and her brats.

Palin is such a non-story that most of the posts here are about oil drilling and not even about her non-candidacy. I wish to see the last of her very, very soon. She is an embarrassment to every woman who has an IQ higher than you can count on your fingers and toes.

Sherry--- I agree with you. Palin is a joke.

Palin is in this for the money and anyone with half a brain knows it. If she happens to get some momentum and some things go her way maybe she gets nominated but that's not her motivation.

We have very much become a TMZ society, fascinated with reality shows full of complete idiots and somehow envious of individuals who's only accomplishments in life are landing in front of a camera.

Real Housewives is the utter death of intelligence on our planet!

Palin - Who?

I guess that Sarah just has to steal some limelight from Bachmann, but it's all about the money. Nuthin else!

I don't hate her...... shes GREAT comic relief!

Latenight comedy hosts will have DECADES of material once they get their hands on this LOL

Shes a nobody and we're tired of hearing about her.Shes taking up print space that could be used for something more important than her failed bus trip.

Just another self-promoting move for Petty Palin, she stepped on Mitt's toes, and now she's going to try to steal her "girlfriend's", Michelle B's. spotlight. She is soooooo good for "her party". You go girl, you are on a roll!

Really Pride and Joy, you can't understand??? How about she spews lies, not half truths, plain out and out lies... Death panels??? really??? Government takeover of health insurance???? Really, if she was at least telling half truths she would not be so easy to despise, and then turns around and has the chutzpa to tell the media that they need to check their facts when they do the same thing to her that she has done to this county... LIE... you must be joking... she is a disgrace... She no more deserves to run for the highest office in this land then Bozo the clown... at least Bozo makes me laugh!!!

Grouch:

You have no credibility to be talking about courage and honor. You lack both and you prove it in your posts every day here.

It is not honorable under any conditions to use stolen goods, especially when you know they were stolen from a Private Site without permission, for your own gain. We have another name for that in the Military.

You are one of those people if somebody dropped their wallet on the street you would pick it up, clean it out and throw it in the trash.

You do not fool me with your BS.

For the record I did not collaspe anybody. I kinda thought the post was a tad funny.

Groucho Marx,

I don't always agree with your posts, but today you are spot on! Nice job and thanks!

You have lost no freedoms you are posting what you like, nobody has been collapsed more than the two you talk about, it seems nobody broke any laws on either side, if they had the ability to arbitrarily eliminate people on the other side then the same people would not be at each others throats for over two years I have jumped in and out of this blog. Maybe they don't meet your personal code of ethics, but that is the extent of it. You talk about military codes, and "outflanking them" give me a break general this is not a terrorist cell, this is more akin to two competing high school cliques, where one got a hold of the others diary and is reading it aloud in the cafeteria. You are all wound up about this and that is fine you have the right to your opinion, and to post it, nobody has lost any rights and you are proving that, so don't act like the marines have to be called in to protect my freedoms that were never lost. I am truly grateful for your service to our nation, but I don't need protection from a few mean girls in two different cliques who have been biting, scratching, and pulling each others hair for years.

Forrest Grump..

May I respectfully suggest that you go back to yesterdays threads and the day before and read the comments fro Im Here Now and Alexandr91.

They were transcripts obtained from Google.

Oh, sorry you can't. They were all deleted here and the site scrubbed.

Until you know what you're talking about, please withhold judgement. Thirty-eight people collaborated in a concerted effort to have accounts and posts deleted, to set the agenda on FR ad to become arbiters of the truth.

You ok with that?

Oh..sorry if I used military jargon. Did I confuse you or the facts.

Great weekend.

I am not a bit confused by you, seen everything posted, been watching the blog pretty frequently day by day for two years, seen the past posts and players from both sides on this blog, it is not like those 500 pages of private conservations in a (not so private) private chat room took place in one night. The players on both sides are still here posting every day. You think you are on a honorable mission to save freedom of speech. I have watched this for many months I think you are now the guy who has inserted himself in a girlfight and wants to continue reading one sides diary aloud in the school cafeteria.

Have a good weekend

Sarah Palin is a creationist, which proves that she accepts religious myth as fact.

Sarah Palin is a global warming denier, which proves that she accepts energy company myth as fact.

Sarah Palin believes that the budget can be balanced while reducing taxes, which proves that she accepts GOP economics myth as fact.

And still some conservatives chose to take this woman seriously.

Groucho Marx, take your cry baby @!$%# somewhere else. What the hell do your personal vendettas have to do with the article? Nobody is interested, you self-absorbed bore, so stop interrupting the grown-ups.

Ok feisty, what would you name your documentary? The Hangover?

Sorry, already taken!

Pride from reading feisty's vemonous posts I would suggest here documentary be named:

"Bitter and Vindictive in Roselle"

feist can deliver the insults, but just try and get her to defend her annoited one, the President! Won't happen!

Feisty said we should stop hearing about Weiner, that it was old news and worn out. But she is still bashing Palin every chance she gets. Feisty is just a party clinger with no mind of her own.

I did not collapse any post, period. It serves very little purpose.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired..

Sure doesn't, so why did your group collapse it?

Did you think no one would notice?

That it wouldn't get re-posted?

That is wouldn't just prove my point but make it in spades.

What was the thought behind it?

Time for a group meeting?

High fives and it was a good day slaps on the back?

Groucho,

Could it be possible that your posts are being collapsed because of your childish vendetta that has nothing to do with anyone or anything else?

It could also mean that you and friends collapsed them, so you can point a finger at others.

Your wife must go through hell. You search her computers, read her journals and search her underwear drawer. There is no place in your home for a personal thought.

Please do not bring your immorality and 'revenge' attitude to this board. Why don't you form a group, get yourselves a private chat room and go vent your vengeful anger there?

I am sure it makes you honorable to pretend that one person collapse your post.

Thanks G, for showing us who and what you really are.

Fletch2-1565982

Thanks for the advice about the chat room.

Will certainly apologize to my wife.

...and let me assure you that I or no one I know collapsed those posts.

BTW..do you even know what the discussion is about?

Just curious.

Groucho:

You are a absolute A$$. I did not collapse you. Your rants are too precious, I want them up so people can see how unhinged you are. Man you need help.

Did you stop to think that there are other people who are tired of your BS other than us. There are thousands of people that come here every day to read our posts. Many do not write here because this site is becoming a cess pool sometimes. To try and falsely claim any one group is taking your posts down is stupid.

As a rule I do not collaspe unless you are way over the CoH line.

So far I have not seen that in your posts. I do not agree but I did not flag them either to say I did is a lie, period.

Groucho:

The thing I am having a problem with is the frequency with which you are making accusations that you cannot back up. It is not right to accuse folks of stuff that you have no evidence to back up. And we both know there there is a lot of arbitrary collapsing that goes on here. So how about you stop accusing folks of stuff unless you can prove it? I thought that was the American way . . . innocent until proven guilty.

P.S. The initial charge that was made against myself and other members of our group was that we were in collusion with the moderators/reporters and that we were paid. None of these statements are true, yet I have not seen any apologies or retractions. Not cool. The items from the chats that have been posted show members using the tools available to anyone here to report things that they thought were inappropriate. Nobody who posts on this blog is changing the world, so enough of the overheated rhetoric. Just grow up already.

Groucho:

Nashville is a woman. She is not afraid of you or anything written in the chat. You need to stop telling lies that you cannot back up, and if you have something to tell me, you can say it yourself. Now you prove the crap you are saying or stop lying.

And all your threats do not impress. You are not anybody's daddy. This is not your blog. You don't set the standards. You are a part of the problem.

Back up what you say or don't say it.

One more thing . . . then I have got to go . . . if this is still America . . . then I am having a hard time understanding why possessing 489 pages of personal conversations is something to brag about?

I mean, who really cares Groucho?

I am a grown a$$ woman . . . if some peeping toms want to peek in my window and tell folks what color my panties are . . . more power to them !

Just be sure you get the color right, mmmmmkay?

And stop telling lies you can't back up.

And stop with the veiled threats . . . don't talk about it, be about it. Do what you are going to do and then just shut up about it already.

Might be easier to just make some friends of your own though. I mean really . . . this is beyond ridiculous . . . you sound like you think you are James Bond or something . . . I have the transcript . . . I will publish it if I don't get what I want.

Knock yourself out Groucho.

What a joker you turned out to be.

P.S. You forget, I have read the chats too dufus . . . ain't nothing in there worth a hill of beans to anyone other than the FRIENDS who wrote it. You act like you found the cure for cancer in there or something. So freaking dramatic.

Groucho:

Seriously, you are cracking me up . . . "I have sent it to 5 other people" . . . SO WHAT!

lol

For real now, I must go . . . later.

Edited to add: Just do what you got to do Groucho. Seriously. Big frikkin' deal.

Nashville_fan..

Your wish is my command.

Please look for them on Monday.

Have a great weekend.

Navy, deal or no deal?

Groucho:

To be clear, my wish is for you to grow up. I will look for that on Monday as well.

P.S. Loving all the votes you got for your comments . . . very stylish . . . you are sooooo popular . . . I'm jealous! lol

P.S.S. Dude, you act like you are Benjamin Netanyahu or something . . . deal or no deal? Remind me who made you king again? I missed it. (Let me log off . . . you are just really too much for me to process right now . . . you are on the power trip to end all power trips . . . good grief! lol)

Nash,

Now you hurt my feelings.

You have a very good weekend also.

"If you don't do as I command, I will release the secret chat documents at 1300 hours. Then I will control the Tri State Area! Mwhaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaaaa!" -Groucho Marx

You can't make this kind of crap up. For reals.

Nashville_fan..

For real, now you're just making quotes up...

You really must be desperate.

Can't be bothered anymore...say what you will...enjoy!!!

Dang, Groucho, that was a joke . . . lighten up dude! :o)

Everybody, Groucho did not really say that, mmmmmmkay! Lawd have mercy on my soul. It is a political message board Groucho . . . loosen up . . . have some fun with it . . . good grief.

:o)

Nash,

I'm trying to, honest to god I am.

All I want to do is post and talk politics, learn from people with different political philosophies.

I, and most others, just want to know that the things that were happening here stop.

I asked Navy for his word on that and have not heard back.

I said, give me your word and you have mine that this nonsense ends.

I'm no king or dictator or anything else.

Just want to know that no one is playing God and controlling the comments.

Simple.

Groucho:

I am about to get in a car and drive 3 hours to Alabama. Perhaps we can negotiate a peace treaty on Monday. Or maybe not.

Either way, I truly and honestly would not like to keep talking about this for the rest of the year. But time will tell.

I will definitely see you on Monday.

Peace.

This post was collaapsed by the 'community' perhaps because I didn't mention it was in response to Bill's post at #4.0 which coincidentally was also collapsed! Neither my post not Bill's were nearly as 'contriversial' as feisty's? So where's the beef?

My apologies!

miked-332794 Comment collapsed by the community

There was no "meat" on the fish because the feisty/bev fish had burned a lot of calories feasting on benignPalin emails recently! lol!

Bill's post #4

The documentary was put together very well! Nice job by the production crew!

I especially liked the part where Sarah Palin and friends were trolling in Bristol Bay and caught a few liberal species including the vicious bottom feeder, feisty redwig, and a cut and paste carp known as bev the corrupt chitown organizer. Both were thrown back in as they had very little meat....

Excellent posts, Groucho...lots of things said that needed to be said.

Re: Spanky- I think that if I were an attorney like Spanky, I wouldn't put Mark Murray on the stand either, Groucho.

I doubt that Mr Murray would fare well when required to answer relevant questions.

Certainly not on that topic.

Be well, Groucho.

lol,

my post was collapsed too! Woohoo! All I commented on was why liberals hate Sarah Palin so much! And I got little response except getting collapsed! Is there not a reasonable liberal on this site? I thank God that you folks are in the minority! And unless Acorn rears its ugly head, getting a change in the White House in 2012 should be an easy task!

I would like to pose the question again: Why is Sarah Palin so bad and why could anyone agree with what Obama has done to date?

You frigging guys piss and moan about Palin, but why aren't you concerned with what Obama hasn't done?

Grouch,

I tip my hat to you. The argument they formulated is weak at best. Did you notice that Feisty, Clara, New Day, Nashvill blocked their history?

thetotas..

Thx. Just unbelievable that they actually collapsed posts and thought nothing would happen.

In front of the entire FR community and I call them on it and they do it twice more.

I re-posted and will do it each time they do.

I asked Navy to end the practices that we are fighting to end and I'd stop.

Not a word back.

Nash said we can work something out on Monday.

I'll take her at her word.

No one wants this crap to continue.

You take care and have a good weekend.

Interesting that both Feisty and Nashville fan both have the same stock response.

MMMMMMKay!

Not sure if that is snarky or just ignorant.

I will say this. I usually only come here on the weekends. Usually it is so much nicer here on the weekends. This weekend, not so much.

Perhaps it is time to just move on. I can't believe this is what the moderators had in mind.

Good luck Groucho. Good luck Nashville Fan. Feisty, you get what you get. You have earned it.

Groucho,

BTW..do you even know what the discussion is about?

Just curious.

Oh boy, don't tell me I have compromised or know about a PRIVATE discussion on a public board? I suppose since you only sent the information to 5 people no one else knows about it.

Oh btw, halo is getting Kieth Olberman involved so he can use it to embarrass MSNBC. I suppose he plans to share his fame with you, since you are working the emails.

Because you were excluded you feel the need for payback. I am sorry you cant have 38 people love and support you. Then you keep haranguing about collapsed post with 10 votes. Did you participate in the numerous posts with some times 30 and more votes, that were written by Feisty and Navy and collapsed by community?

You guys have cracked MSNBC's Watergate. Now you can blackmail and make a movie deal.

After reading all this thread I have come to a simple undeniable conclusion:

Groucho is very verbose, fairly boring and extremely arrogant.

You take some online message board WAY too seriously, you need to get out more.

I mean ...damn

Groucho:

I cannot speak for anybody other than myself. Nobody on this board has that power (I know I don't). I have not targeted you in any way to collapse your posts. As I said before, I have read all of yours and there is nothing there that would make me throw a flag in our discussion. I will not flag your posts unless you really go out of bounds, which in my opinion you have not. If I ever do I will tell you I flag you and why.

I really do not like this flagging setup at all. I and many others here especially Feisty and others (GOP/TP Posters) have had posts with around 100 votes or more taken down. Sometimes they get restored. If it is late in the day - kiss it good-bye. On a busy day where FR opens the posts to MSN, Druge, MSNBC Front Page or others we get an influx of swoop and poop people that collapsed everything in site more often the liberals really take a hit when this happens.

Basically I just think everybody has a right to post what they want on this site. Nobody has any right to try and control what they say or how they say it. If you disagree that is cool, if you really do not like that individual put them on ignore, if you do not likethat go to anoter site more of you liking (a general you - not you personally).

I agree with you and many of the posters here in that we do not have time for this crap. We really don't. We have to get back to talking about what ails this country and what to do to fix it, hoping the politicians will listen to us all and are not on a vacay week. $170,000 a year or some big number and they work about 60% of the time and that number will go down come election time.

Out of the thousands of people that visit this site it only takes 5 to bring the post down. That is it. It is a stupid setup putting your fellow posters in charge instead of the moderators maybe reviewing the ones flag and making the decision.

Navy, Feisty, et al:

Thanks for making my point and collapsing this comment. It just shows just how low you people will stoop to keep opposing view points from being presented. Censorship at it's best. That's what you folks are all about. Good job.

Keep collapsing or deleting. You are making fools of yourselves in front of the entire community.

Hey, Forrest Grump, still think it's a girl fight or outright and blatant censorship of opposing views.

I'll re-post as many as many times as you can collapse, and then again tomorrow and Monday...get the idea.

Had 14 votes.

Good morning:

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL, US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired, miked-332794, Bill T from USA and all the news names I see on the board this morning.

Sorry, I can't play today. perhaps another day? Deal?

First, you know your site wasn't hacked. You set your privacy controls incorrectly and were an open forum, posted on Google for everyone to read. Look how fast you managed to scrub all that from Newsvine. Any help from Tyler or Sally? Just asking. Hey, if there was nothing improper, why erase it? Oh yeah, private and all that.

So, good meeting last night and today? Sure hope so...things didn't go so well for you the last couple of days, though a lot of you must have sore arms patting yourselves on the back yesterday...good day indeed....but for who?

First, nice to see that you haven't abandoned that strategy where one posts, the second poster seconds the first poster and the next says good job. LMAO says one poster. Wow, who says that a lot.

You should know that, at least to me, this "blow-up"was never about politics, not lib vs. conservative. It's about freedom of speech, censorship, principles, ethics and morality. It's all about fair play and what I call the "freedoms". You can't have a democracy without free speech and you folks did everything in you power to inhibit it. You decided that your group would be come arbiters of the truth, to the exclusion of all who disagreed with you. These are concepts you need to read up on. Most important, to me, it's about honor and courage and commitment , a code of values I have lived by more than half of my adult life.

To simplify this code for you, a summary of applicable sections:

Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs.

Courage, simply stated, is moral strength, the will to heed the inner voice of conscience, the will to do what is right regardless of the conduct of others. It is mental discipline, an adherence to a higher standard. Courage means willingness to take a stand for what is right in spite of adverse consequences.

None of you have any honor or courage. You were committed though, but to quieting the opposition through censorship and intimidation. Bullies, plain and simple and you continue today. Navy, do you really think you were making an impact on the national dialogue as you said. Think that the powers to be would sanction the methods you used? You are retired military, did you learn nothing about the principles you swore an oath to?

It was like 38 of you to 5 or so of us. Yet, you were outflanked and we took you straight down the middle. Everyone now knows who you are, what you did and why you did it. In the days to come the responses to emails sent to Newsvine management will be posted. Newsvine, not Mark or Dom. So glad hand yourselves today, cause the consequences are yet to be felt.

Oh...to Spanky:

You wrote:

Mark - no offense bud, but it's like I often advise my clients - sometimes you just gotta stop talking.

I know you are trying to be helpful and god knows you are patient, but you are not helping.

Call it a night and let the natives fight their wars.

You started all this with your posts and then sneak out the back door. Just for your amusement I'm guessing. Did you have fun? Unprincipled and no courage or honor. Sorry, there are "natives" here that are principled and will fight for causes knowing they are on the losing end. It's called principle, something you know nothing about. Except for a differing political point of view you are NO different from those folks who tried to control the forum, it's participants and the conversation.

From this "native"....GYU!

To the rest of you all, good weekend.

This is the 5th collapsed post:

Nashville_fan..

Never said I will publish it if I don't get what I want, you did. Don't put words in my mouth.

Be assured then that PUBLIC INFO obtained from Google cause you folks set the privacy setting incorrectly will get posted.

You have a great weekend.

Navy,

It's late and I just checked the site to see if there was a response from you.

Just read it

We have a gentlemen"s agreement then, the crap stops and we talk politics.

We agree. No one has a right to control the dialogue.

We talk about ideas on how to fix this country we both love.

BTW...I got collapsed at least 5 times today. Worlds record I think.

Let me know if you read this.

I look forward to our continued "discussions"....hahahaha

We may sometimes agree and sometimes not, but know that there is no animosity. Politics.

This brush up was about principle, period.

Hope that MB, Dangerfield, NJNB and the rest agree to let this die now.

Have a good weekend.

To: groucho marx ) At least Groucho Marx ( the real one that is... ) was funny ! I hope the heirs sue you sorry ass for illegitimately use and tarnish his name ! At least use your real name to write your craps !

I feel the need to say that in my posts above when I said mean girls I should have said "mean girls" as just a general characterization I did not mean to imply that any of the woman are personally truly mean people.

This is a political blog and I enjoy the rivalries, and intelligent discussions, and digs and jokes, heartfelt comments, plain stupid comments, angry comments, instigators, trouble makers, heart breakers, and hay makers, it's all good. I do not make a personal judgement about a whole person based on what they post, I don't know them, and no matter what I post it does not mean that I judge you as a whole person, I don't know you. It is easy to get heated up and maybe go to far, but all nice, polite and politically correct is no fun. If you think I sometimes have an ill manner I assure you I have no ill will.

Groucho:

I accept, we have a gentleman's agreement between you and I. Just for giggles looked at a few of the posts taken down and there really is little rhyme or reason on some other than there are people that will scam the system because they just do not like what the other person says. It just is the way this place is set up.

I had times where virtually every post was taken down and they all were restored. I did not have quite as many as you but I only had maybe 5 or 6 posts and two of them when the post went down took over a 100 other posts with it from both sides. I have had posts with 100+ votes get sh!t canned taking 85 other posts with it or more.

You just do not know.

Any way, we have an agreement and I will see you Monday.

To Grouch Marx - a gentlemen's agreement?

Are you serious?

With WHOM do you have this gentlemen's agreement? You CERTAINLY do NOT have one with me, or anyone of the Libs R Us group that you are so intent on deriding.

And talking about honour and being a 'gentleman', you are in possession of communications that was stolen from the Libs R Us group, are you not? You have dissimminated this information to like minded individuals WITHOUT the permission of the people who owned it, have you not? You are in full knowledge that person who stole it FREELY ACKNOWLEDGES that they did obtain it WITHOUT the permission of the chat room owners - no matter WHAT the settings on the chat were.

You profess to be a Marine, do you not?

What Marine - no matter what side of the aisles you are on - would dishonour HIMSELF - and in extension - dishonour the MARINE CORPS - by distributing stolen information for WHATEVER reason?

Gentlemen's agreement - indeed.

I think that I will let the current and Former members of the Marine Corps deal with you as you have dishonoured THEM by your action recorded here in the Internet for all to see. Sorry, Groucho, you CANNOT unring this bell.

As far as I am concrned, Groucho, you either put up or shut up. If you are going to publish the information, DO IT and quit jerking us all around. If you are NOT going to publish the information, then SAY SO - and go on with your life.

You have NO agreemnt - tacit or otherwise - with me personally as I want EVERYONE to see you for the jackwagon you really are.

If you have issues with being collapsed, then you need to contact Newsvine and craft a solution from them.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired..

You and I have an agreement but the rest of your chat group apparently wants this to continue.

Directly below your post is a post from Pietro, Columbus, Ohio...please read it.

He said: "With WHOM do you have this gentlemen's agreement? You CERTAINLY do NOT have one with me, or anyone of the Libs R Us group that you are so intent on deriding."

Pietro is under the impression that the info was stolen. We all now know that the privacy controls were set incorrectly and it was an open chat room available to everyone on Google. Repeat, Pietro, available on Google, that's PUBLIC not private, ergo NOT STOLEN. We are all now aware of the group activities. No need to get circular here, been gone over evough.

He dares me this "jackwagon" publish it. It will be, but not on FR, but as an article on Newsvine. Selective quotes and pages describing the activities of Libs R Us. Censorship on FR. Catchy, right? BTW, you would be amazed about the number of emails I have asking about info on this topic. No exaggeration, more than 65.

Pietro, that crap in the middle about the Corps...cool that you know so much about honor, courage and commitment.

Navy, I talked with you and Nash yesterday.

We all wanted this to end.

Pietro, speaking for the group, said he wants this to continue.

You folks need to make up your mind, this ends today or the nonsense goes on and on and distracts from the conversation.

The groups choice.

I made my peace with you and Nash.

Groucho, I thought you wanted to talk about politics--so why don't you?

John B, Des Moines, IA..

I do, Pietro doesn't.

Navy, Nash and I want this stupidity to end. He, speaking for the group,doesn't. Read his post.

I did not reignite this nonsense.

Wow-

More than 65 emails?

Publish it in Pietro's honor, Groucho.

Give him what he wants.

Mixed Bag..

I really want this all to end and get back to politics.

I truly hope that Pietro doesn't speak for the group.

Watching the Yankee game. Old Timers Day. Way cool.

Thx for the encouragement.

Hey Groucho

Thanks for the head's up on Mo, I kinda thought that was the case but as hoping it not another from the "Inn" crowd.

I'd say a successful week here, messing with the gang and making them uncomfortable. One only hopes that the next time someone in the gang decided to "atta girl" another hate filled diatribe from Feisty, they'll think twice.

It's funny in a way, people using emotion to gauge and argue something based in facts and logic.

Thanks for fighting along side, I almost feel like we stormed the gates of Mordor.

Good luck to your Yanks today, I'll be watching the team cross town (well actually rubber game of the TX series). However can we agree to disagree on baseball? I'm an NL fan :-)

I'd say a successful week here, messing with the gang and making them uncomfortable. One only hopes that the next time someone in the gang decided to "atta girl" another hate filled diatribe from Feisty, they'll think twice.

Gee, those are some fine words coming from people who want a 'truce'.

Now here is a first - I am going to quote MYSELF:

As far as I am concrned, Groucho, you either put up or shut up. If you are going to publish the information, DO IT and quit jerking us all around. If you are NOT going to publish the information, then SAY SO - and go on with your life.

You have NO agreemnt - tacit or otherwise - with me personally as I want EVERYONE to see you for the jackwagon you really are.

If you have issues with being collapsed, then you need to contact Newsvine and craft a solution from them.

I stand by what I posted. If you have an agreement with Nash and US Navy, then that's fine.

Your move.

Pietro, Columbus, Ohio..

Those were not my words you quoted, they were halo3v's.

He doesn't speak for me nor am I a member of any group, but no matter.

I assume then that you speak for your group, and I will abide by your collective decision.

Sorry Navy and Nash, I did try.

Now, the "jackwagon" will do what he promised.

Moving on...

Groucho, I am afraid if you do not publish what you have, you will be accused of lying about having it to begin with.

The truly salient parts of this are what they really fear- that is the proof they do not want released.

So, they will "good cop-bad cop" you on this board FOREVER.

Just so we are all clear here:

This gang, who call themselves LibsRUS, targeted certain posters based SOLELY on their political beliefs.

They coordinated collapsing posts, had designated "hall monitors" who communicated regularly with the moderators, set up what was supposed to be a clandestine meeting with Mark Murray, one of the topics of which was how to silence certain posters,and, in one of the most childish displays I have ever seen, ganged up to "vote up" one of their members, because she had FEWER votes than someone they opposed.

One of their members is known for her vile, venomous posts- that are never deleted. Knowwhy? She is a "friend" of the CTO
of news vine, that's why. Therefore, she, and a number of the other club members, are not subject to the Code of Honor.

All this on a political board.

They got eased, seemingly by a member of their group, after one of their admins left the door open.

I will not name her- the members know who she is- suffice to say, it is not the person taking responsibility for it.

And, it sure is not the fault of the person who exposed their childish, unAmerican antics, either.

no joe, no bo, nj..

I really thought that this stupidity was over when Navy and Nash and I came to an "on my word" agreement. Apparently not. Honor is something I value and Pietro questioned it.

It will take a couple of days to cull through the pages and lift the pertinent parts.

Way beyond stupid at this point.

Honor, Groucho? From this gang?

When Bev copied and pasted a page from the American Nazi Party in defense of Obama selling out Israel, Amy came to Ira Levin's defense.

Read the reaming out she took for that from the "gang". She tried to defend herself- and eventually capitulated.

This is a gang that defends their membership, even when that includes adherent of Nazism. That tell you about their honor?

The one mouse that manages to squeak out an objection is bullied to the degree that SHE apologizes to THEM.

That tell you about their honor?

Want to know about their honor? Nash is out there telling people she had NO IDEA how far Fiesty had gone in her attack on me.

Bunk.

Not only did SHE applaud fiesty's vile, venomous attack- but so did Clara, newdaydawning, Navy, Ron, Pietro- the whole fan damily.

You expect HONOR from people like that?

Good grief.

Even if you could count on the word of a couple of people like that- there are those who are out of the loop. So, when lil Matt gets back with his Russian mail order bride- he will be on you like a duck on a Junebug.

Honor? From this gang?

Might as well believe Obama's stimulus created jobs here- rather than in China.

no joe, no bo, nj..

I was talking about MY honor. Pietro questioned my integrity and that is something I will not abide, ever.

As for Navy and Nash, I take them at their word. Maybe I'm naive but I think they will keep theirs.

As for the rest that you wrote, that's personal and not what I'm about. I'm looking for the abuses of the COH to stop, to have a political discussion without fear that my account or post will be deleted or collapsed.

If these stop, all the rest you wrote automatically stops also.

Gee . . . seems like this needs reposting . . . Halo asked me a question about my "support" of Feisty on the Week Ahead thread:

Halo:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Voltaire

I decide who I support, not you.

I stand 100% behind Feisty's right to say what she wants, how she wants, to who she wants. That is how we roll in the U. S. of A.

I also support your right to either drop a set or purchase some big girl panties.

Hope that is clear enough for ya.

P.S. Actually Halo, you should know by now that you ain't running this . . . mmmmkay. You name dropper you . . . tell K.O. I said what's up.

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Hope that clears thangs up now . . . I support Feisty's right to be a grown a$$ woman and say what she wants . . . using her free speech. I support ya'lls right to do the same . . . even if it means 24/7 whiiiiiiinnnnng.

And Groucho? There is no leader of the "group" to negotiate with. I'm going to continue to give my take on politics . . . hope you'll do the same. See ya'll grumpy folk bright and early in the A.M.

Nashville_fan

You have my word that what you and I and Navy agreed to stays in place.

I would hope that whatever opinion you have you express it without reservation and I will do the same, all in a civil manner.

I don't know why the rest became so hard.

Have a good evening.

I am also looking for the flagrant violations of the CoH to stop, Groucho- and only said what I did because I was called a liar by someone you believe has honor.

My posts, by the way, have been collapsed on other threads- because I brought up some political issues with which they disagree.

I would like to see it stop, and do not want you suspended or banned.

I am less naive than you - I do jot see it stopping.

Call me a cynic.

Really Nash? Really.

Good to know. You about as useless as a fart in a jar, as my dad used to say.

DEFENDING ATTACKS ON PEOPLE'S FAMILIES because of their differing political view, is truly sickening. And NO different than any group WHO IS DEFINED BY HATE.

You really must be scared of the wicked witch o the midwest. LAST TIME I CHECKED WHEN WE ROLLED IN THE USA WE THOUGHT FOR OURSELVES. Making the US different than say China or the former Soviet Bloc.

So you can pretend all you like that you are ok with it. Cause when know da@n well YOU ARE TOO AFRAID OF FEISTY TO SPEAK UP.. AND AFTER WHAT YOU GUYS DID TO AMY I GUESS I'M NOT SURPRISED.

Not afraid of you though Halo. Nice use of all caps. And no joe, you are a liar. You told lies about me and have yet to back one of them up. (Ironic that you call me fart in a jar when you can't win an argument on its merits . . . isn't that the very thing you claim to be complaining about? Personal attacks? Check mate.)

Isn't it funny how the right says that the Lefties spew hatred and idiocy... read your fellow right wing haters posts... hypocrates!!!

Pride (post 2.4),

I think liberals are afraid of Palin's wholesome image! She's strong, speaks her mind, is comfortable both in the wilderness and being the media's whipping post, is successful, raised tons of money for the Republicans, and she's attractive! She is living proof that traditional behavior is better than the whining manialcal outrage of the left! (ref: see N.Pelosi)

One of the biggest complaints she gets is quitting her Alaskan Governorship. In reality, all she did was step aside so her less-assiled lieutenant governor could run the state and not be hog tied by all the ridiculous and frivolous lawsuits and 'media attacks' she constantly had to address. She actually saved Alaska hundreds of thousands of $s they would have spent defending those nusiance litigations had she rode it out.

Yes, I guess a few of us got down in the gutter with feisty over this issue, but she's the one who chooses the playing field. In a battle of whinning and smear tactics, and misinformation I'm woefully out of my 'weight class' against the likes of a fiesty redwig!

lol how about the millions she wasted on a bridge to nowhere? how about the police chief she fired because he didnt totally agree with her. yea shes such a great governor and a great politician. if by great you mean stupid and by politician you mean one of the most corrupt people in goverment then yes youd be right. shes had literally hundreds of ethics complaints brought on her by her own staff. so no she displays none of the characteristics that you said she does. except maybe that she is atrractive. she didnt raise money for the republicans she raised money for herself. she quit being governor because it didnt pay enough. she finally realized the more people saw of her the more they realized she was a complete idiot and an extremely corrupt politician. she is the evil, female George W. Bush and that my friends is the worst politician ever.

What are you talking about? I'm saying how did a unwed mother get a job as a spokes person for abstinence making over $300 k per year from a NON profit organization. Who told them to hire her? Why?

Now she comes out and tells everyone-one that she was drunk and preaching abstinence to teens is unpractical?

What would the far right be saying if this was a daughter of Obamas or the Clintons? I know the answer, they would blame it on the parents.

Terrificworld, you need to check your facts before you spout off. Barack Obama's mother was 19 and married when she gave birth to Barack in 1961. It also was not unusual in the 50's and 60's for couples to marry at such a young age. Very, very different scenario then the Bristol fiasco. It is obvious you are a hateful person given the derogatory words you use to describe someone you know nothing about, so I'll just chock up your entire post as one of blatant ignorance.

Oh, Puhleeaase! Even Bristol refers to baby daddy as the "knat". Also, is Bristol raising her son in way that he could someday run for President of the US and win? Obama's mother did. Just saying all of the Palins need be regarded as nothing more than entertainment whether you love or hate them.

Obama was born August 1961. His mom was born November 1942.

terrificworld, your math is off. She was 18 years 8 months and 6 days when he was born.

Why don't you just come out and said you wished he was not alive. His mother didn't save the "fectus", she gave birth to a son. You can give credit to Bristol for a son who might grow up to be a president or a serial killer. But you refuse to give credit to a woman whose son is President against all the odds. I thing you are a bigot whose kids have not turned out very well. Now it's also envy.

Bristol son could be President of USA someday...if he chooses so, He is a "natural-real" American, His father is not a foreigner nor is Bristol....................... I thought his father was a "knat", according to Bristol. Wonder where those come from.