Funny Bev, but the Kocj brothers have always spoken so highly of you.

Bevism- the crap you make up when you have no legitimate argument, and know it.

Unless you are Bev. then you just have no clue.

But ahh, Bev, my dear that is the good part, the curtain has been pulled back. The community organizer, as it turns out has no clue as to how to run a flower stand, let alone the US economy.

Oh and he seems to be slightly deficient on the war thing-y as well.

Wreckovery Summer, part 2. Good times, right gang?

kirby in idaho

Funny Bev, but the Kocj brothers have always spoken so highly of you.

You got the wrong Bev; I'm not their girl. I'm not a Multi Millionaire's scion.

I was not born of a Barry Gordon, Bob Johnson, Rockefeller, Koch, or Herman Cain.

Will you look at that? There's something so incredibly ironic about Karl Rove running ads attacking THIS president on the economy that Rove's self-anointed president and his disastrous policies created.

Sigh.

Talk about an idiotic statement... from the article:

"Not content with the grave economic crisis he helped to leave our country with, Karl Rove now wants to stop President Obama from fixing it. While President Obama is making progress, the Republican economic plan would 'essentially end Medicare' in order to give tax breaks to oil companies and their other wealthy donors. Whether it's by running millions of dollars in negative ads about the economy or by walking away from critical economic talks in Congress, Washington Republicans are demonstrating an unwavering commitment to stopping any real progress on the economy."

While President Obama is making progress...

What progress? What progress has Obama made at all? 14 MILLION out of work... Adding $3.2 TRILLION to the debt... WHAT PROGRESS HAS OBAMA MADE?

I find this incredulous! Obama is doing the exact same things as the liberals blame Bush for doing. Handing out subsidies to corporations (GE, GM, Chrysler, the Big 5 oil companies) like they are going out of style, but the liberals keep their drum beat going against Bush... That is simple lunacy! Talk about a double standard.

What have the democrats come up with that will actually help turn around the debt? They can't even control the deficit. BUT... after 2 1/2 years of Obama, and 4 years of Democrat control, the liberals keep their posture against the republicans when for the past 4 years the democrats could do anything they wanted to do... the one thing they didn't do was take the debt head on and control spending.

Bev Said: I was not born of a Barry Gordon, Bob Johnson, Rockefeller, Koch, or Herman Cain.

Nope... Bev wasn't born of those... she was born of George Soros.

The only fact from this story - this is going to be a nasty campaign.

this is going to be a nasty campaign.

And, given the state of the economy in generally, incredibly and ironically expensive.

All that money that will be flooding into media blackholes would buy a lot of medical care and school supplies.

We agree on this AM. How much is Obama's warchest now? Almost a billion dollars? That's a lot of money to campaign on for a $250,000 per year job. I'm not sure how much the republicans have raised, but it's no small change either. All to be spent on ad campaigns and media events. What a waste.

That's exactly the reason I never contribute to any politician's campaign fund.

I do agree with Anna Molly that the numbers and figures depicted are very ugly.

I also would direct her to the policies, and there have been many, and some were very expensive, that were enacted by the current President.

geez, I hated turning on the TV last october. They did this and they did that. Both sides! + some independents.

The only consistantly good political campaign ad in Iowa was by sen grassley. All he did was say this is what I did and this is what I want to do if re-elected. Poor roxanne conlin tried to paint him otherwise for a time and then her ads stopped.

Brianb@June 24

We agree on this AM. How much is Obama's warchest now? Almost a billion dollars? That's a lot of money to campaign on for a $250,000 per year job. I'm not sure how much the republicans have raised, but it's no small change either. All to be spent on ad campaigns and media events. What a waste.

Brianb, You can not get a simple fact like how much the President makes in salary per year. Why would I believe anything else you have to say?

Tough crowd Sue.

Everybody makes mistakes - look at the politicians themselves. Palin and Paul Revere, Obama and those extra 7 states.

Seems like politician' no longer understand how to run clean elections. I also think the amount of money being funnled into both parties is absolutely insane. At least Obama is taking donations from his supporters (the voters) as well as other sources. Another article was talking about three billionaires that were already funding their legislation through one of the GOP pacs (I think it says they contributed 70% of the total pac funds so far).

October was ridiculous as well here in AZ with Fox preempting almost every commercial with a campaign ad.

no joe, no bo, nj

With Obama throwing high fat ones over the plate- like manufacturing turning on military strength, indestructible DIAPERS-

Those were for all the goats in the Gop/T-bagger/ sh!ting all over you.

And his administration depriving a thousand workers in South Carolina of jobs-

And his "bumps in the road" comment on rising unemployment-

So you agree Boeing should limit a fair wage, collective bargaining, and eventually go offshore? Looks like you bumped your head.

And the fact that majorities believe that (a) the government CAN do something about the economy but (b) Obama CAN'T-

Looks like a good time to remind people of what they already know

Obama Made It Worse.

I'll repeat it Again you're a Liar and a fraud!!! What deficit?

If Congress Does Nothing, The Deficit Will Disappear!!

If the Bush tax-cuts remain in effect and Medicare and Medicaid spending isn't constrained in some way, the country will topple into a genuine fiscal crisis -- not the fake one the Congress is pretending the country's in right now.

Helpfully, CBO juxtaposed these two alternative futures in a pair of graphs and, just as last time, it projects that deficits will disappear entirely by the end of President Obama's second term (if he gets a second term) if Congress were to just sit on its hands and do nothing.

Take a look.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/chart-of-the-day-if-congress-does-nothing-the-deficit-will-disappear.php?ref=fpb

Do you believe the CBO? You know the nonpartisan congressional agency that provides economic data.

Too good for words.

Deficits to end by 2016. Oh my! Math, debt service. Melting down now with humor. Ok, with Bombay Sapphire, but still. Bev. You have to stop.

Wait. no. Never, ever stop.

Nojo - there's that power again. It's like you are a superhero. I goota believe Feisty is reading her very insightful response. Feisty?

Spanky-

Bevism- the crap you make up when you have no legitimate argument, and know it.

You mean you don't believe the CBO? Wait a minute. You live in the land of loons with the other corporate tools.

Lord, Spanky, I envy you. I can't drink. Lord knows how I stay on these boars without a little "courage".

I feel sorry for Bev. She is a true believer. In fact, the people who spew the nonsense that takes in the Bevs of the world are the ones who make me angry.

No, Bev. Your source is one hundred per cent WRONG. And there is no gold in Fort Knox.

Bev said: So you agree Boeing should limit a fair wage, collective bargaining, and eventually go offshore? Looks like you bumped your head.

I believe Boeing is a private enterprise that can do what all private enterprises do. They can do what they want. Government needs to get their collective a$$es out of the private enterprise business. What government is doing is anti-Constitutional and a breech of their duties. Stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it Bev.

I'm not a crack head Brianb; Bush is the Addict. He was wasted the whole 8 years. If he wasn't he should claim it because he really F'ed up.

For all you right wing Jackasses you don't believe the CBO. Funny, you did prior to President Obama; it was your bible.

Bev.... love seeing your anger rear it's ugly head up. It's not the CBO we disagree with. It's your interpretation of what the CBO says we disagree with. Actually since you are all things liberal, there is a lot we disagree on... you just can't grasp it.

BTW Bev - it was Obama that admitted to using cocaine, not Bush. Smoke that.

Brianb-999431

Bev.... love seeing your anger rear it's ugly head up. It's not the CBO we disagree with. It's your interpretation of what the CBO says we disagree with. Actually since you are all things liberal, there is a lot we disagree on... you just can't grasp it.

PSSSST... I DIDN'T interpret IT. It was copied from the CBO. Now you snort that.

Click Click...

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/chart-of-the-day-if-congress-does-nothing-the-deficit-will-disappear.php?ref=fpb

The CHART juxtaposed

Click Click...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/CBOextendedalternative1.jpg

Doesn't anyone sleep around here? geez.. Bev, you are on a roll, but what's with the click, click?

to bev. in chic, the only one to ever smoke crack is the man that will no longer be spending us into oblivion,,I mean the man bragged about smokeing crack, The simple truth is he has not done one damn thing that he promised as far as the economy,except bankrupt america and they want to spend even more money we dont have, when will you people get it,the man cannot handle the job.the days of blameing bush are over,and you can use it all you want but come election time and unemployment is still abobe 7.5% no jobs,fuel higher than it was when bush was in whitehouse even though the senate and house were democratic majority dureing his last years.And seems like every day they are finding more and more bad expensive unconstitutional laws comeing from his healthcare.that reminds me are they going to give all the people that earn 64 thousand dollars for a family of two ,medicade,thats is just wonderful,pass it then read it pisalotsi, the mans own family dont care if he dont get elected ,he is through and your leftwing spending is through.

Golly bev - the CBO can only give estimates and projections based on the info given them. Much like a computer program, if you put garbage in you get garbage out. Doesn't even matter if from the left or right.

I wonder if any of the CBO projections made in 2000 allowed for 911 or the dot com crash recovery?

I had an old engr professor who liked telling us "but by gosh and by golly" the right answer will work itself out when working with unknowns.

You need to take projections for what they are, just that.

The totas - I think she is reloading! lol.

Not sure that Beverly understands.

No, it is obvious that she does not.

american-2051576

reloading, good one!

Well apparently there is something better. Wasting the American taxpayers money. There is a ton of that going on, as we speak. It is very popular in DC, maybe not so much in Alabama and Kansas, or the other 48 states.

It's very popular in Illinois, too.

Can I just say, I really, really, really hate Karl Rove?

Candice-

It's very popular in Illinois, too.

If the repugs get their way it could be even worst . I believe Illinois is gonna stay solid blue even though our T-bagger neighbors Michigan, Wisconsin, and Indiana would love to have a former FOX NOISE analyst bought and paid for by Murdoch and the Kochs come to our state as governor.

Oh come on now Amy, specifics please.

Or maybe you'd like to compare and contrast Rove with say, Axelrod?

Or Clinton's boy from LA. the one married to the conservative political consultant, whose name escapes my gin soaked brain.

Amy - again posting a conclusionary statement wastes my time and your time. Let's get to the meat of the matter, Mr. Hand.

Spanky, are you serious? Really?

You can't be.

Hello, Bev.

I don't think it could get any worse here. Sadly, the Republicans will never take control. Illinois is too, too blue. And Quinn just made sure of that with the redistricting today, didn't he? Talk about disenfranchising the voters!

On the bright side, Illinois can be a shining example for the rest of the country though. I heard Maria Pappas actually made the county departments add and subtract their numbers and present reports on each department's mess. She discovered Cook County is $108 billion in debt. Isn't that amazing? She just now discovered it! Funny how it never occurred to anyone to pull out a calculator before.

During the time it took to rack up that $108 billion, Cook County raised taxes 117% ! Bad for us. But an illustration of how increasing taxes doesn't solve fiscal matters. Not when there's politicians on the other end ready to spend.

I think Rahm's doing a good job so far. Don't you?

Spanky, I had to think too..curse my wine addled brain...snake head, married to Mary Maitland...no wait, is that the deaf actress, not the Republican politico...said "its the economy stupid"...for the first time...James Carville. (confession, I googled) He's a nice guy. Ever see the documentary of the Clinton campaign? Simpler times. Karl Rove.....evil, evil, evil.

It does suck. but optimism prevails, right Indy? I sure hope so.

And not Hope and Change. Just hope. That didn't pan out so well.

I'm always the optimist Spanky. I'm optimistic the Greens and the Libertarians will both do pretty well next time.

Not true, Spanky. They got the change. They just never figured on the truth- there is ALL kinds of change.

My friend's Beemer got sideswiped on the street a few weeks ago. That was a change. She had no choice but to believe in it, but she had had a lot of hope- the car was three weeks out of the dealership.

We did try to warn them. . .

Spanky-

It does suck. but optimism prevails, right Indy? I sure hope so.

And not Hope and Change. Just hope. That didn't pan out so wel

You mean you hope the GOP/ t-BAGGERS wreck the economy and keep that same ole far out social conservative, religious, mumbo jumbo? You know ain't no change a coming for t-baggers cause change means been there done that; so you go on to something else.

T-baggers are still stupid and the GOP is still talking tax cuts for the rich which wrecked the economy and still lying.

Sorry you're betting on the wrong horse.

Candice-

I think Rahm's doing a good job so far. Don't you?

Yeea Rahm's got it going on! Rahm will have the very first live online and Facebook chat in Chi- town next Thursday.

I doubt if t- baggers can make that happen Gov Quinn is a union man.

Spanky can afford to be cheerful: we have an excellent President in charge. Drink up Spanky, wiser people are in charge of you now.

THe government is in charge of us? I thought it was the other way around.

Interesting perception of reality. Speaks to your level of personal responsibility.

Could we all just imagine if the government was in charge of our finances? What could be worse?

@muffintop: What could be worse than the govt. being in charge of our finances?

How about the Frauders on Wall Street, and those Criminals that infest US Banking System, and those Money Changers in the US Insurance Cartels?

That's exactly why I am in charge of my finances.

Not the government, not Wall Street, not anyone.

Sitting right along side of Barak Obama... eh?

barack had to be flushed right away,the stinch was just to bad.

@Mitch-#13: And the Conservatives, Wall Streeters, War Profiteers and their cover boys at FAUX give a rats @@ss? Oh, and them there big christians too? Darn, almost forgot about those dudes.

Repubs trying to deepen the recession with cuts so they can bring down the current administration. Recovery can not be allowed because that alone would shrink the deficit.

How do you propose to raise $1.6 Trillion by taxes alone?

The Obama Tax Cuts will only generate $370 Billion or so if they were repealed.