Feisty -

Just tried to post you and got blown out. Obviously a Repug/T-Potty plot. LOL. Designed to keep me from telling you how much I enjoyed your post. You know that all of us that support your opinions are here to always back you up. Keep up the good work.

Your friend, Tom

Amen to that Tom......

I can't believe what has happened...or what the Teapublicans pulled off, in typical fashion of their elected leaders......'don't like the message, kill the messanger' mentality!

Many thanks to you Tom & Chilled!

The funniest part is they're the 'thiefs' attempting to make us the 'criminal'!

You just can't make this stuff up NO matter how hard you try! LOL

Have a good weekend!

I can't believe what has happened...or what the Teapublicans pulled off, in typical fashion of their elected leaders......'don't like the message, kill the messanger' mentality!

Really? Seriously? Hello kettle this is the pot uh you're black. Andrew Breitbart like him or hate him was falsely and viciously attacked by leftists simply because he reported on Weiner's weiner. So the left is equally guilty of the mentality you listed above.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of
leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own
bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from
foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the
burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better."

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

1/20/09 - Approval Rating 65% 6/24/11 - Approval Rating 45% and tanking!

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

xx

Just a quick demonstration of how this site operates...

Feisty posts a 'xx' to make sure that she is the first person to post on the First Thoughts thread... (apparently this is a greatly valued prize and completes her life)

Her 'xx' comment is so intellectually stimulating to the liberals here, that she gets enough votes to earn her green star! (even further completing her existance)

OMG! What a joke!

SickOfTheBickering, maybe the votes are there because of what she didn't say rather than what she did say? It could be those who are more than happy that she only posted xx wo cast a vote.

SOB

No,...she was saving the real estate for me and I managed to screw it up. But your motive is more titillating,...which one do you think 'they' will believe?

...and is it a coincidence that members of this private group always post first?

Anyway, as said yesterday I thought I had no life until I read about this nonsense.

Kudos to Governor Christie for SAVING the NJ public employees pensions, which he achieved with a bi-partisan vote in both the NJ house and senate. I do not expect to see my NJ taxes to come down but at least they will not be going up in this economically difficult time.

Details of the deal

HEALTH INSURANCE Employees will pay much more, with the increase phased in over four years.

Most workers had been paying 1.5 percent of their salaries for health insurance, regardless of whether they had individual or family coverage. Under the new system, they will instead pay a percentage of the insurance premium — from 3 percent to 35 percent, depending on how much they earn.

A typical worker making $65,000 to $70,000 a year, who elects full-family coverage, will pay 19 percent of the premium, or about $3,600 at current rates, up from about $1,000.

The new system will offer a broader range of plans, including some lower-cost alternatives. Under the old system, an employee paid the same amount regardless of the plan. State officials hope that basing payments on premiums will encourage more workers to choose the cheaper plans.

PENSIONS Most public workers pay 5.5 percent of their salaries into the pension system. That will rise immediately to 6.5 percent, and then in stages over seven years to 7.5 percent. For the average person, that is an increase of about $1,300 at the end of the phase-in period.

Some employee groups will pay higher rates, including judges, police officers and firefighters.

For many employees, eligibility for a pension will begin at age 65, rather than 62.

For retirees, annual cost-of-living increases will be suspended until the pension funds meet certain targets for solvency, which is expected to take years.

The state will also be required to make contributions to the pension system. The state has skipped the payments in most years since the 1990s. Unions will have the right to take the state to court over missed payments.

ww.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/nyregion/details-of-new-jerseys-benefits-and-pension-legislation.html?ref=nyregion

Hardly Draconian

My apologies for the lease on the below space:

As the founder of Libs R Us, I’d like to address some of the smears leveled at myself and my friends this week. For starters, on the Newsvine home page of any Group there is a message that reads:

Group Talk

A private discussion board that is only ever visible to group members.

It is safe to assume I took them at their word. It is also safe to assume that was a bad assumption. We’ve had the group for over a year; but many of us have been friends through blogging on First Read for several years. As for our Meet Up, seriously? We’ve had this planned for months. Mark Murray is an invited guest. The only airfare he purchased was his own. Neither he nor Domenico Montanara were ever members or friends of any group I established or me personally on Newsvine. I’ve been a Facebook friend of Mark’s for probably two years now. He is not terribly discrete about who he friends (obviously, smile). In the old days before Newsvine you could type ANY moniker each time you posted. My alternate id was buzzwanabee. The other 37 members can reveal themselves if they choose. I am not aware of anyone in the group using multiple monikers on this registered site.

I am FLATTERED that anyone thinks we have enough INFLUENCE or control to set any agenda. That is the part Nashville finds hysterical, I am sure. As far as I know, no one in the group has EVER been paid by MSNBC/First Read or any political party or organization. I know I have not been paid for any of my Newsvine/MSNBC/First Read activities.

It would literally take me days to copy out the 489 pages of commentary that have been running for over a year now. I'm not willing to do it. Clearly someone has it and they are yanking your chain by giving out drips in this manner. Spanky claims to have received the whole document days ago. If any of you are interested perhaps you can approach him. He’s not very discrete, either, so I am sure he will look forward to the attention.

I don't think airing OUR laundry is the purpose of this site; but given that we've certainly aired other's laundry, I'm sure many perceive that we had it coming. I have repeatedly posted a cease and desist that you/they are in possession of material deemed to be confidential; but apparently the ethics of that escape some.

The only other issue I’d like to address is that of collapsing and deleting posts. Perhaps you've missed the recent few months; but this board has looked like an urban nightmare MANY days with posts being collapsed for no apparent reason. We've always assumed that MSNBC asked the moderators to back off simply because of the maintenance of all the drama. You can tell when a post hits Drudge or The Blaze or some rightwing site (usually when it makes the banner story on MSNBC page) this board becomes a nuclear wasteland of collapses. Domenico answered one of my questions once (almost two years ago and on the site) about my perception that the focus of the stories bend towards conflict; he basically said, politics is a contact sport. What IS within bounds is when a poster gets banned by Newsvine and then opens a new account. That is not allowed and I know I’ve reported this behavior when it’s been discovered. So if you see someone relatively new that gets banned, it is conceivable that they are a reincarnation of a banned poster. This is usually discovered by IP addresses, I assume. As for flagging posters, as a general rule, I personally believe people should stand by what they post and those posts should fly Loud and Proud. There are legitimate reasons to collapse a person. Collapsing is STRICTLY a function of other registered posters using the Flag feature. Until this week I was basically unaware that using the Advertising Flag would actually delete a post. I figured it tripped the Sally/Tyler Moderator switchboard and THEY did the deleting. At any rate, if any of you believed you’d been hacked, I am sure you would rationalize or justify attempting to conceal what you believed were private conversations.

With that said, and in keeping with comments I’ve made as recently as this week, we've ALL said things here that we wish we hadn't, or popped off or invariably attacked. We ALL care about this country and it gets emotional. I haven’t seen a poster YET who managed to stay above the fray for long. It’s an unfortunate by-product of polarized; but deeply held beliefs. My goal in posting is to have fun and attempt to keep it honest. Am I always completely kind and fair; probably not. But I definitely have fun with it.

It does strike me as desperately attention seeking to continue to fan the flames of speculation, especially in such an entitled and demanding way. If I were Mark or Dom, I would probably ignore most here exhibiting the pettiness; but hey, it's THEIR site. Since I typed this, Mark did weigh in on the topic:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/23/6927641-inside-the-boiler-room-evaluating-huntsman-?last=1308868425&threadId=3158437&sp=0&pc=25#c55287119

No doubt, many of you do not care about this. Some will NOT be satisfied with the answers I’ve given and others will make stuff up to fit their narrative. In fact, they already have. After this thread, I will not be responding to any further mention of this. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly or ask them here, now.

Feisty:

You pretty much said it all. Nothing to add.

Speaking for myself I have never had any contact with MSNBC except for Tyler showing me how to use the block quotes. That is my only contact.

I am not paid by MSNBC

I do belong to Libs R US which just one of the hundred or so PRIVATE CHAT GROUPS on Newsvine. I see many posters here belong to their own groups as well.

What happen is nothing more than theft. I wonder how others would feel if their "Private Chat Rooms" were hacked into and your stuff stolen?

These places are nothing more than areas where people of like ideologies get together to talk about politics, family, sports, weather cats, dogs, horses, body art and just about anything under the sun. Not all that different than have a beer with your buddies in a bar or a party. The talk is more colorful at times. So what. There is not one person here that does not say things a little different when you are with friends as opposed to mix company.

This is just BS trying to get everybody off what is going on today. Instead of talking about jobs, the economy or the recent stalling of the Debt issue by the GOP/TP we are talking about a repugnant bunch of people who think breaking into "private chat rooms" is a good thing.

How many of you would trust a thief? I don't.

MSNBC did not pay anybody anything as Mark said that was an outright lie. I am flattered that some on the right think we have this unique power over them. Just stupid.

I do agree with some that the way posts are taken down is stupid and uneven. Bad posts stay, good one get taken done and there is no rhyme or reason other than some people do not like the post so they flag it.

The modirators are the ones that should be making those decisions, they are not. They should apply the CoH to everybody, they do not.

Alan: there is no collusion on who posts first. It is simply a function of several things, mostly patience. I have no clue how to do it, and I don't care to anyway. Could be that someone who is better at computers than I am can address that.

To our FR Hosts and FR Posters:

Just the facts, ma’am

The old TV show Dragnet had Jack Webb asking witnesses for “just the facts.” In his spirit, I offer the following facts for whoever might be interested:

1. There is a group of political junkies of the liberal persuasion who recognized kindred spirits and set up a Newsvine group called Libs R Us.
2. The group was promised privacy by Newsvine.
3. In that privacy, the group discussed events of the day, posts on FR, posters who made us crazy and also topics such as our spouses, kids, grandkids, pets, the weather, jobs and, always, politics. Undoubtedly some of the posts were over-the-top but they were posted with the expectation of privacy.
4. We became such good friends that we planned a get-together in St. Louis so many of us could meet face-to-face. We’re already planning next year’s trip, by the way.
5. We invited Mark Murray to that get-together because we thought it would be an interesting story for him to cover---politics in the new age, how bloggers try to become a political force and the face of liberalism today---all news-worthy in our view.
6. None of us have ever been paid a cent by anyone at MSNBC or Newsvine.
7. Over the past weekend, our private site was hacked by someone, our almost 500 pages of discussion was copied or otherwise transferred and our private conversations are being circulated to strangers. So if you read references to Libs R Us or anything like that, this is what is going on. Our private group was hacked, our privacy violated and the perpetrators show no remorse for what they’ve done.

Cheeeee Alan, you got your post up before mine today. Should I infer that maybe you have a special deal with MSNBC? Did you join their payroll? Did MSNBC give you a heads up that FT is about 15 minutes early today?

Well did they????????

How many of you would trust a thief? I don't.

BINGO Navy!

Or those who are getting off by posting little morsels here and there! lol

Fesity,

There is a huge difference between a private chat room that talks politics and went went on in your group.

The 489 page transcript was posted on the internet and many of us have saved the file.

This group, in a coordinated effort, collapsed and deleted comments, had posters accounts suspended and specifically targeted members who did not agree with them.

This group was not the benign chat room you make it out to be.

Apparently, late last night, Mark answered some of the questions after most of us signed off.

I sent him the following this morning.

This is a political blog, a forum and indeed you need a thick skin.

As for private chat rooms, glad to see so many people getting involved in politics. That is, indeed a very good thing.

Mark

This is a political blog, a forum and indeed you need a thick skin.

As for private chat rooms, glad to see so many people getting involved in politics. That is, indeed a very good thing.

The problem is not so simplistic though as this group is not that benign.

I have the entire 489 page transcript copied from the internet and would be more than happy to send it to you. I'm sure many others have it also.

This group, LIBSRUS, per their transcript, intentionally targeted people that disagreed with their political agenda and had their accounts suspended, posts collapsed either by flagging them as advertising (which is a deletion rather than collapse) or simply flagging them as inflammatory or no value. This is constant and persistent. The names of the targets are on each page and, in fact, their complaint was that MSNBC had not complied fast enough. Apparently, that was going to be a talking point with you at your scheduled round table discussion.

If you read the transcript, Sally and Tyler, were their "in" and they promptly complied with the group emails and requests. I don't use the word promptly, loosely. Almost daily contact. Accounts deleted at the groups request. Appears, that several memos were sent directly to you on the topic of quicker deletions of "suspended accounts". That is, in many cases, accounts the group requested be closed.

They brag about it, job well done, good job, etc. The practice continues.

First, if this isn't a violation of the COH, nothing is and I would appreciate an explanation.

Second, NoJoNoBo was personally attacked last week by Feisty and some members of the group, in a pile on that surprised many. You don't personally attack a poster, the woman's granddaughter, and her husband, accusing him of sleeping around and needing to have a gun put to his head cause "she's a cold heartless bitch". This personal attack is a blatant violation of the COH, yet she seems immune to punishment. Why is this sort of dialogue countenanced and a simple cuss word not?

As to yesterday, every single post by "now i'm here" was deleted. Every one. If it wasn't by Sally and Tyler who did it and why? Again a COH violation code.

There is no appearance of impropriety, there is a systemic incidence of impropriety and some of us newer folks want to know why that is.

It we don't have the freedom to post knowing this "gang", not group, has the ability to take down our comments or have accounts deleted, then why bother posting here.

One of the members continually compares the GOP to the Nazi's. What they don't quite get is they've become the Nazi's as they want to and have become the arbiters of free speech on this site.

Their censorship, and the willing compliance of Tyler and Sally, makes this all suspect.

Your comments please.

Thank you.

I do expect an answer and am sure one will be forthcoming and I will post it for the community.

Now, all the members of the "gang", please, one at a time, call me a right wing nut, conservative whatever, delusional, looking for a way to disparage the liberals,etc. Please do.

I expect nothing less.

For my own part, I certainly have no contacts with MSNBC employees. I have had no private contacts with the other 37 members of the group, either, except for an occasional e-mail. I don't know any of them personally beyond these boards. I'm not going to St. Louis for reasons that are my own. That being said, here are my personal thoughts to add to the mix:

In many respects, I liken this entire sorry episode to Wally Cleaver passing notes to his girlfriend in study hall. However foolish and indiscreet that might or might not be as a means of communicating private thoughts, it is Eddie Haskell, who intercepts the notes and reads them out loud, who is always remembered for being the rat.

Private thoughts among friends are meant to be private. Invading the privacy of others, and especially where improper means, like hacking, are involved, is not only morally reprehensible but also illegal under certain circumstances. If this was a hack job, those who participated should keep that in mind.

Think about this: When you accidentally open the bathroom door on someone who is in a state of undress or come upon two people engaged in an intimate moment, do you stand there and watch, or do you discreetly shut the door and tiptoe away? If you’re a voyeur, maybe you stay. Otherwise not. Why then would you think it’s appropriate to invade a private group and voyeur on their meant-to-be-private conversations? Not to mention rebroadcasting them for everyone to see? Do you lack so much in your own personal lives that you need this kind of entertainment? Or is your paranoia so deep that you would stoop to such measures? Totalitarian governments use those kinds of measures. Or did you think that George Orwell was writing a playbook?

Being friends is no crime. Supporting your friends is no crime. In that thread, there were many, many comments from people sharing personal stories and giving each other words of support. In the sometimes lonely and isolating world we live in, those kinds of havens are to be envied, not derided. But I have yet to hear any of the detractors mention this part of the equation. Maybe, at the very bottom of this, envy and resentment really are the problems.

Beyond that, however, strategizing about how to post here is also no crime. Speaking your mind about what you see out here is no crime. That being said, you won’t see me doing much of either of those things in those pages. As I observed to one of the others a long time ago, I’m not easily led. Nor do I generally speak every candid thought that I have in that kind of forum. Because of what I do for a living, I am always concerned about the exact thing that seems to have happened here.

But just to make myself clear, what happened here is in no way an honorable thing. Just because you CAN do it doesn’t mean it’s right.

The worst thing I’ve read about myself so far is that Spanky can’t get enough of me. No news there, he’s already admitted it. Big deal. If someone finds something else, feel free to share it. But usually, if I have something candid to say to someone out here, I say it. So you already get the worst of me. And now I am seeing the worst of you, as well. I'm sorry for that. I always hope for better.

Now, all the members of the "gang", please, one at a time, call me a right wing nut, conservative whatever, delusional, looking for a way to disparage the liberals,etc. Please do.

You're a Conservative Whatever!!!

Just kidding. Sorry, I just didn't want you to be disappointed.

What kind of cheese would you like this morning Groucho to accompany your wine?

By all means keep beating the dead horse!

As you can see the rest of us are moving on...

PS: I believe Mark Murray told you to look up the number for MSNBC and give him a call if you want to discuss further...

PPS: WHAT part of PRIVATE don't you understand?

Oh...good to see ALL the members got together and got their stories straight, right?

Every post thus far has been from a group member trying to explain their actions.

Can't wait to see the rest of the comments.

Navy, next time you call the GOP Nazi's, thing about what you did, the censorship and control you actually tried to impose on FR and tell us all how that makes you different than the very people you deride. You need to read the First Amendment, that little piece about free speech guarantees.

You're excuses are lame and your actions deplorable.

I do await Mark and Tyler and Sally's reply.

....and Feisty, I did just that. See the email I sent.

I also have the phone numbers now.

DaNoid, laugh all you want, please.

Now, I'm enjoying it.

You are the dummy and an un-American one to boot. If you hate this country so much just move out. We will not miss you.

We need problem solvers not more whinny misinformed lying twits that their best and only arguements are BS.

I challenged you on this yesterday Navy Vet, but you were too cowardly to respond. So I'm calling you out again today. If you want to call me a "misinformed lying twit" you better be able to back it up. I challenge you to specify the misinformation or lies in my post #1.17 in yesterday's First Thoughts thread. I pointed out the misinformation in your post, and used an UNBIASED government source to back it up. Can you do the same? And while you're at it, you might want to explain how pointing out the FACTS equates to un-American behavior and whining.

I say you got no game Navy Vet, no game at all. You're just a low information dolt playing to your like-minded echo chamber buds. Prove me wrong -- if you can. Time to put up or shut up, pal.

Last time I checked Freedom of Speech is still protected by the Constitution!

_____________________________________________

Nasty Redhead: I absolutely agree with you and totally support you in that statement. And the SC reinforced the freedom of speech protection in the Constitution in its Citizens United decision.

Oh, yeah...... right, that's freedom of speech you don't like.

Sorry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

My fellow libs: Very well spoken. Yes, I am a proud member of the Libsrus group. Have the nickname of "the professor" or the perfesser as IR would say. Nothing newsworthy in that.

As probably the oldest member of the group, I still remember some history that has happened during my lifetime. Paranoid Richard Nixon comes to mind. He sanctioned the break-in at Watergate...and that took down his Presidency. Breaking and entering was and still is a crime. So don't talk to me about being patriotic Americans if you condone breaching a website. If you condone the actions of the Watergate thieves and a few people who breached our site, then you join the ranks of Nixon, Halderman, Buchanan and others.

I would like to thank Frank for his heroic actions.

Could someone direct me to the 489 page report, I have insomnia, and it might help.

The positive in all of this is that just maybe, the fact that they have a private chat room will reduce the number of "Great Post", "We're on the same page this morning", ad nauseum entries that the rest of us have to scroll thru.

Truth stands on its own and doesn’t require collusion nor manipulation.

Groucho:

Oh...good to see ALL the members got together and got their stories straight, right?

Every post thus far has been from a group member trying to explain their actions.

Your paranoid slip is showing, Groucho. I consulted no one, except my own heart.

DaNoid, laugh all you want, please.

Now, I'm enjoying it.

I used to like it here precisely because of the exchange of different ideas with people like you, Groucho. But now, after seeing what you're all really like, not so much.

This is quite a sad day for me.

Ah, NOW we're finally getting closer to a REAL subject...the Citizens United decision in which Conservatives decided that bribery is "speech."

Cheeeee Alan, you got your post up before mine today. Should I infer that maybe you have a special deal with MSNBC? Did you join their payroll? Did MSNBC give you a heads up that FT is about 15 minutes early today?

Well did they????????

Yep...started following Chuck Todd on twitter and good things have happened since. Opened a private group called Tools R Us if you want to join. It's goal is to discuss computer security and hacking and what tools are available.

See here is the problem. People like Groucho want to control what we say or talk about in our conversations. He does not like what we discuss, what we say or how we say it.

Who in the hell gave you the right to tell anybody what they can say or write, or when or how or how many times etc, etc. What makes you think you are so darn important that you should be able to control our discourse?? This is what you are trying to do. Freedom of Speech is just that - If you do not like it get the he!! out of this country , we do not need you nor do we desire that type of ideology in a free world.

I also have the phone numbers now.

Well GOODEE for you!

Feel better now? lol

This morning I heard on the radio, two more Supreme Court decisions (5-4 split, naturally) protecting corporate "free speech," this time, allowing pharmacies to sell information about prescription sales to data mining companies (upending a Vermont law, Navy) and the other protecting generic drug makers from state lawsuits that brand name drug makers are still subject to. The majority of drugs out there are generic, and now, if someone gets sick, the drugmakers are protected from lawsuits. Both rulings open an avalanche of possibities that corporations can take advantage of. It's staggering.

This is America under Republican rule. Corporations have freedom of speech and to privacy, and individuals do not.

I was not aware of someone breaking into your private chat room and sharing your posts. I think this is wrong. The only thing I can contribute is that I will not read what should be private messages between friends and/or allies if they get posted here or somewhere else. I'm sorry this happened to you and do not take any comfort in the exposition of your private conversations.

With that said, I look forward to continued "Discussions" about political matters that need to be viewed from all sides. It would be nice if the personal attacks got ratcheted down a little, but I doubt that will happen. In the spirit of that desire, I would like to apologize to Roselle for calling her a homophobe yesterday. I am sure that she is not and I got caught up in the chance to respond in-kind. I will try very hard not to do this again.

FR : In advance of President Obama’s visit to Pittsburgh today, Romney pre-butted the appearance giving an interview to the Pittsburgh Tribune ("The president has failed the American people on the economy,"

This is failure

CHART OF THE DAY: New GOP Governors Tanking Nationwide

From Florida to Ohio, Wisconsin to Arizona, the honeymoon has ended very quickly and very badly for the Republicans who rode into their respective state capitols on the tea party electoral tide last November.

Here's a snapshot of the epic polling fail in a convenient visual form

ttp://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/Gop-Approval-Ratings-Chart-Embed.jpg

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/chart-of-the-day-new-gop-governors-tanking-nationwide.php

This morning I heard on the radio, two more Supreme Court decisions (5-4 split, naturally) protecting corporate "free speech," this time, allowing pharmacies to sell information about prescription sales to data mining companies (upending a Vermont law, Navy)

I've worked in this area and this has been going on for years. Look up IMS and NDC as providers of this information. BTW, Walmart does not sell their information and they are about 30% of the market. They like to keep their sales data to themselves (for data mining).

Bill: I looked at your post yesterday, and if XBox had one, you would have unlocked the "splitting hairs achievement". Sure, your source is correct technically, but you failed to couch your argument in the fact that the government uses the same bookeeping "charade" to report on the status of the trust fund itself. It may indeed be a shell game with the math, but since the government uses it all the time to present a rosier picture than reality, Navy's point is also correct. So there, everyone's a winner.

Groucho, as usual, you missed the point. If this so called private group was conspiring against other members, then that is indeed a douche-bag thing to do. If you're surprised that this kind of thing can happen, then welcome to the internet. It may suck, but it happens all the time. And don't even start to tell me that "the neocons would never do that", b/c you know damn well that they would turn the tables in a second, given the opportunity. That said, the more troubling thing is that the group was hacked. If it can happen to them, it can happen to any of us, and MSNBC/Newsvine needs to redo their security.

Oh, and for the record, I did not see/read any of what went on with this group thing, but nojonobo probably deserved whatever dogpiling he got. I've yet to see him do anything other than fill the board with trolltastic posts and lame personal attacks.

Feisty, Clara. You have summed it up nicely. Those who should be embarrassed are those who accused our innocent First Read hosts of things that are simply untrue. Cowards look for ways to bully their perceived "enemies" but cowards never win. Those whose feelings were hurt by reading personal, private conversations deserve to have injured egos because they trespassed. The recipes provided are delicious, the recommended books worth reading, and the stories about family pets, gardening, new homes, children are what life is all about. I am a liberal and proud of it. I am proud to support President Obama. I am proud to be part of the Libs R Us group and I look forward to meeting my like-minded political friends soon.

Amy:

Yes they did and Bernie Sanders is going nuts over it. SCOTUS - the New GOP/TP fundraisers and pundits. Seems just about every decision goes in favor of the Big Businesses. Look at the Wal Mart decision and others.

The Vermont State Atty says this is the new SCOTUS position and he was not surprised. They will continue to come down on the side of Big Business, why not they own SCOTUS.

L in L.A.

Excellent point...you might have something there.

A potential silver lining.

thanks, gmj

trolltastic is a fabulous word!

Apparently I missed some good gossip in the last few days. The FR lefty liberals have a "secret" chat room that got outed. That would explain a few things, like many, if not all, of my collapsed posts, the "we're on the same page" mutual admiration posts, and the thinkprogress group-think addiction for lefty liberals that like to claim "I think for myslf".

Pathetic.

Morons.

Hillaryous.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

Oh...good to see ALL the members got together and got their stories straight, right?

Every post thus far has been from a group member trying to explain their actions.

Probably because we were the only ones hacked. Why would anybody else be saying anything. Your argument is stupid.

I wonder if it happen to another site what their response would be. I doubt they would be quiet either, especially the lies that followed and continue today, see Mark's comment.

When you belong to a site that says you need to be a member to see the chats, it leads one to believe that their is a level of security.

You all better look at your sites that you chat with. If it happened to us I am sure there are people that would hack you as well.

As I have said before there are some (only a few) I call mushrooms on this board that I will not respond too. Their arguments have been exposed before as untrue by myself and others and I will waste to more time on them. They do not want a discussion they just try to lure people into a pissing match that usually goes nowhere. You can keep trying to drag your bait around the pages, but sorry not biting. Been there done that.

Besides, why would I want to converse with a mushroom? They live in the dark and eat poop - probably smell funny too.

It sounds like a lot of right wing baby talk going on, or the pot calling the tea kettle black.

There are a lot of apologies owed to many on both sides in my opinion, you show a lot of class JCinG, we may not agree on politics, but I have respect for you as a person, and you obviously have respect for yourself. It is very easy to get carried away, to apologize for it is not so easy, good for you.

A typical worker making $65,000 to $70,000 a year, who elects full-family coverage, will pay 19 percent of the premium, or about $3,600 at current rates, up from about $1,000.

So they were paying $1,000 now and the rate went up to $3,600 and that is 19% . That is an increase of $2,600.00 - I do not think that is 19% increase. A doubling of costs is 100%, accordinging to your numbers this is 2.6X their cost. Did I miss something????

My laptop is horrible so I am having difficutly in my attempts to go through posts from earlier this week to figure out what happened with you guys. My laptop continues to freeze constantly. Plus I was away so wasn't able to log on to follow this story from the start. But I got the gist of what happened I think and I was sorry to see your private conversations go public.

But what's nice to see is that you will all be meeting up in St. Louis with Mark. I think that's tremendous. That's all that matters. You will have a great time I'm sure of it.

Have a Bud Lite on me. Go Sox!!!!!!! LOL.

At the Dew Drop Inn?

Are you meeting Mark for the 'Round table" discusion after breakfast on Saturday too?

No offense Mark but I doubt whoever it was will call you. Files have been saved as are the posts. Whoever hacked them did a mighty fine job. Once it was publshed on Google it was NOT private anymore.

The "Deputy Political Director" really shouldn't be meeting with a bunch of liberal posters on this site. I guess if if NBC management is cool with it I should be too? Uh no, this is exactly the kind of selective journalism we see all the time.

If Chris Wallace decided to meet with a bunch of conservatives posters, YOU and the rest of the media would be all over it. Double standard at work.

Top o' the morning to all. Let me just add two things to this:

1. Anna Molly you are my second favorite pushy female lawyer. Just a fact, but hey, I'm sure someone else who is even more shiny will come along.

2. I for one am glad some of you libbies are getting together. It would be awesome if, while you are all together, you go over some basic math, accounting, tax and economic principles.

It really would facilitate the discussions if you had some of the basis down. Or not, cause it is awful fun this way as well.

And again I think it is special that you all try to coordinate. God knows you all need all the help you can get. Heck, if one of you could help Bev. formulate thoughts that are actually coherent that along would be a huge step in the right direction.

Ok, off to court. See you all later.

Oh and GingerBread Momma - if yu are out there, it would be much easier if you just come out and admit it - I am your daddy. :)

I just read your apology JC - none necessary!

But much appreciated! Looking forward to future conversations.

@Pat, Boston! Welcome Back! And YES we'll have a Bud Light for you! ;o)

I am not a member of any group, just come to read the text and the posts, and comment once in a while. Free speech is one of our greatest treasures and I find it very annoying to find any post collapsed. I just open them up again anyway, unless they are deleted, and I assume if one is deleted they were vulgar or so offensive, they should have been removed. I was collapsed on another blog for saying, "the Rethugs still think the world is flat." ???? I've seen so much worse, I was amazed. But when you collapse a comment, you are also knocking down others who replied, and that is not right or fair. Hacking anyone's private group is worse. We can disagree, argue, and even get heated, without resorting to censorship. IMHO

Well WTF??? I too am a member of Libs R Us - invited a couple of years ago. And I too was invited to St. Louis - wish I could meet everyone but alas I have to work and have no money honey. I have not posted there, only went on a couple of times - but 489 pages really. I missed out on some good recipes and conversation!!

Good to see you Elise!

Hope things are well with you! *hugs*

As for the recipes - let me know which one you want & we'll e-mail them to you!

We've got lasagna, corn bread, chili, beer can chicken and so on!

Bill: I looked at your post yesterday, and if XBox had one, you would have unlocked the "splitting hairs achievement". Sure, your source is correct technically, but you failed to couch your argument in the fact that the government uses the same bookeeping "charade" to report on the status of the trust fund itself. It may indeed be a shell game with the math, but since the government uses it all the time to present a rosier picture than reality, Navy's point is also correct. So there, everyone's a winner.

No, everyone is not a winner. The Social Security trustees (just like the trustees for all the other government trust funds) correctly view the bonds held in their trust funds as assets – from an accounting perspective. However, from the real world perspective of the Treasury these bonds are OBLIGATIONS which will have to be redeemed with cash at some time. The whole point of my post was to demonstrate that the large paper balances held in the trust funds bear no relation to the ability of the government to pay the claims made against those trust funds – a point which I supported with a blurb from OMB on this issue.

BTW, I always get a kick out of the psuedo-intellects who cruise through here to drop their pearls of wisdom into the debate. Next time, you might want to craft a cogent argument that defends why you thought I was "splitting hairs" rather than just asserting that crap and walking away.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time.

Thanks Fiesty! Things are a heck of a lot better since surgery - but still losing weight. I shouldn't complain but I have nothing to wear and wasn't heavy to begin with!

Just doesn't seem to be enough time to post as I did in the past. Plus I seem to spend more time researching for the REAL facts.

Do you remember a poster called "JayVee Ventura, CA"? He used to be the first poster every time and was right on with his talking points. I loved his posts!

Anyway take care of yourself and all the others that have befriended me in the past. Hope all is well!

I find this site fascinating. It's SUCH a fine microcosm of the problems facing our nation politically. This blog is almost completely polarized and mostly worthless...Just like our congress!

I used to comment on here pretty regularly after Obama's election, being a free thinking independent, but stopped bothering to comment after I kept seeing the same old patterns of two groups not letting a single opportunity pass where they could kick the other in the crotch. It's totally obvious to anyone standing on the side lines that there are one or two bloggers on each side who appear to be ring leaders in the mayhem but I wont bother naming names because it doesn't matter anyway. It's quite literally a feeding frenzy with many players.

So, why am I still here...? Because I get such a laugh out of the bash fest comments mainly. Reading the hateful yet cleverly snarky comments can be very entertaining while I scan for something (anything) intelligent. Unfortunately, it can get boring fast. 95% of you are SO f'n predictable it just steals anything like credibility from your commentary so even if I do find something interesting here I have to fact check the hell out of it (as we should all do anyway).

If only people could grow the fck up here and in our nation's capital. We so badly need adults to work together for the common good of this country and for the world but there are none. There is so much corruption, so many whores, so much pocket lining, so many personal fueds, so much downright hatred that I fear our race is doomed quite literally.

I don't believe for one minute that the human race is/was the only sentient race in this vast universe but I do believe and fear that, just as we are surely destroying our planet and ourselves via a multitude of means, all sentient races destroy themselves before they get very far and that's why we've never heard or seen anything of them.

I mean...after 14 billion years, how many ruins and empty shells of failed civilizations do you suppose are floating around in the cold, emptiness of space?

It's sad, don't you think? That this is all the mighty race of humanity will ever be? Gddam...

Just a sniveling bunch of greedy, sh1tty, little kids who are so stubborn, hateful and hard headed that they would wreck everything rather than compromising, prioritizing and working together.

Okay, kids, back to making me laugh. :-)

I come here for some thoughtful discourse on the political subjects of the day. I am not involved with any subgroups. But I certainly don't begrudge their right to exist. What they do is their business.

I DO have a problem with someone who hacks into a private group. I have an even bigger problem with the publishing of the private information gained by that hacking. It is analagous to a burglar breaking into your home and publishing your private correspondence.

I am very sad to see this blog compromised in this way. This stifles free speech. This is symptomatic of the direction the country is taking and I do not like it. If this is the way that opponents of the liberal movement are going to operate, I am dismayed.

I am going to give some serious thought to my participation in any forum

Very sad...

Couple of points:

• The group LibRUs was not "Hacked". Hacked implies that a password was stolen and use to gain access. This was not the case. If one googled as instructed yesterday, it was easy to find.
• The conversations contained in the group may of been private, by they were made in an area where anyone could listen in.
• Even one of your members noticed that it was not marked as a "Private Group"
• Just because you were not a member of this "Public Group" did not mean you could not surf around it and observe what was going on.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of
leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own
bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from
foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that 'the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the
burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better."

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

1/20/09 - Approval Rating 65% 6/24/11 - Approval Rating 45% and tanking!

I challenged you on this yesterday Navy Vet, but you were too cowardly to respond. So I'm calling you out again today.

What, still no response Navy Vet? Your silence is deafening. Oh I know, you're just hiding behind some sanctimonious blather that my arguments have been exposed as untrue before and you'll not waste anymore time on them. What a freaking crock!

Let's cut through the bull$hit, shall we? You don't respond because you can't. Because the FACTS of the Social Security issue are on my side and not on yours. You call me a "misinformed lying twit" but when challenged to prove it you duck and run away from the fight – because you can't prove the garbage you routinely toss out here.. And you don't have the integrity to own up to it.

Many of us have known the kind of person you are for quite some time. Now the rest of the world can see it clearly as well.

No problem with you libs having your own little group. You guys all think alike anyway. May as well have an "Amen Corner". My bad, I brought religion into it.

My issue as a conservative is my posts are all too frequently "collapsed by the community" or I am subjected to reams of insults from supposedly open minded liberals that cannot tolerate views different from their own. As a conservative, I am always right and I don't pretend to tolerate other views. Liberals pretend to be open minded, but spew hate and vitriol at anyone that does not agree with them. It's kind of a hypocrisy thing.

Getting back to the article, Romney is acting the part of President probably as a way of scaring off other GOP heavyweights that might be thinking of getting in. I don't see Romney beating a credible true conservative. I would love to see Rick Perry of Texas get in. Perry could school Obama on how to create jobs. Texas has created more jobs than the other 49 states combined.

My dream ticket is Perry/Bachmann. I believe someday Bachmann deserves to be at the top of the ticket, but she could use some seasoning and more experience. I would hate to see the media destroy her the way they did with Palin. With the right moves, she could be a player for years to come.

Heck, if one of you could help Bev. formulate thoughts that are actually coherent that along would be a huge step in the right direction.

________________________________________

An inside infomant, who shall remain nameless, tells me that all members of the (formerly) secret FR lefty liberal chat room all have access to a secret Bev translator website that when you copied her post into it would unravel the puzzle posted here on FR and produce an English language version. And it would generate an automatic "Great post, Bev." message from the lefty liberal who had requested the translation.

"If you put on a similar gathering, I'd also be happy to address your group."

___________________________________________________

I doubt the conservative posters here on MSDNC's FR will ever have such a "group" or "gathering". It's only those weak-minded, insecure, types that need the intellectual support of group-think cyber-pals.

BTW, will you be reporting on this freak show as "The first place for key political news and analysis from the NBC News Political Unit"??

To Mark Murray,

Could not reply on the same strand. I hope you do not take this the wrong way. No. That is exactly WHAT IS WRONG WITH JOURNALISM TODAY.

You and your staff at NBC News are supposed to report, cite and blog on facts, not opinions. By going to this little gathering, all you are doing is listening to opinions. Opinions are not facts, they are the facts as someone interprets them to be.

By joining a little group of hyper progressive liberals, it flies in the face of what hard news is supposed to be. This blog is supposed to be a "hard news" political blog.

This isn't about who you are meeting with. If anything, they should be meeting with the moderators. Not the journalists or reporters themselves.

I'm sorry if you decline to agree, and assume the position of you'd like to "hear their perspective". Again it flies in the face of "hard political news" Emphasis on news, facts. Not opinions.

I would have a problem with any hard news journalist or reporter meeting with an individual political blogging group; and one that happens to be dedicated to your blog. I'm not naive and obviously now I know that this happens. However; to find out that it happens to be an "Inn Crowd Thing" is troubling and bothersome and agree with others that there should be a Skype live feed. As it should not happen. If people want to meet from FR then it ought to be a lived blog, on skype or another conference service.

However, that does not do ANYTHING to absolve the transgressions made by some in this gang. I have seen your response so I know that you do not personally moderate this board. However; any and all personal attacks ought to be deleted immediately. It is simply the only way to make it stop. The bashing here has to stop. Voices are shouted down and eventually out due to this little group. How can you read Feisty's or Navy's comments, or the ones Ron made to NoJo about "knowing where you live" and let it continue?

I know that you have mentioned you read progressive and liberal blogs, and you read FR (of course) you have seen these comments, and I'm mostly a lurker. I see the games that get played with people taking down each others posts and yet the some of the worst stuff is allowed to stay. Why is that? The moderators can move the responses to another thread, but not allow the original comment to stay up. Why is it tolerated?

That this group wanted tips and pointers on how to deal with specific posters is frankly, pretty fricking serious if you ask me. Your bosses might have thought it was good idea, however First Read is not supposed to be a liberal blog. And this makes it less palatable to anyone not of the hyper aggressive mind set, as in anyone not in the gang.

From an outsiders stand point, meeting with them, really only diminshes this blog. I like my reporters of the Edmund Murrow, Walter Cronkite variety. Ones that are, shall I say, distanced from the actual shout down opinion types. By joining the group that champions the shout down opinion, is something that I do not think I can support..

fiesty, et al most FR regular lib posters - yes fiesty along with some of your cohorts, you should be shocked as it seems that most of your standards of acceptable actions are the same actions you blather on about being so bad when the right does them. But I already figured that out long ago as well as other traits of the libsrus group.

That must explain why I haven't seen Ira post here lately, even with all those green stars you gave him.

If FR editors don't monitor the boards it sure looks like the newsvine monitors have given up.

It is almost worth the slow scrolling to read the libs regulars try to dazzle us with BS.

By joining a little group of hyper progressive liberals, it flies in the face of what hard news is supposed to be. This blog is supposed to be a "hard news" political blog.

Oh REALLY, Halo?

My understanding is that this blog is a place to discuss political ideas... so since when does this blog - one which you DO NOT OWN - has to do what YOU think it is for it to be a 'legitimate' blog?

How DO YOU KNOW that this blog is 'supposed to be a hard-news political blog'??

Did you fund it?

Did you start it?

Did you staff it?

That answer to ALL of the above is NO. You are a participant - like the rest of us - and the mere fact that YOU have DECIDED what this blog SHOULD BE tells volumes about you and your mindset. Just because this blog is not what YOU want it to be, you are trying to TRASH IT for others.

MSNBC and Newsvine can run their blog as they see fit. Mark Murray is a grown azzed man that can do what he pleases with whom he pleases when he pleases. It is a free country, you know. besides - Mark has give all of you - and was addressing you especially, Halo - that he would come and talk with your group if you had one.

And it looks like his bosses stand behind his work here.

If you do not like it, I am sure there are many blogs out there that you can 'contribute' to that would be glad to have you. What I see here that is really evident is that you are a control freak, Halo, and you are willing to 'nuke' the whole place because it does not fit into YOUR narrow perspective. And I think you are too lazy to start your own group to take up Mark on his offer.

You do not have to continue to post here, Halo.

So why do you?

This week on First Read, very specific allegations were leveled.

-An NBC reporter was accused of paying for blogger airline tickets to have a meeting

-Myself and Feisty Redhead were accused of being one and the same

- It was alleged that there was a document outlining a “three name strategy”

-A private group was accused of colluding with the moderators to silence conservative voices

Lost in all of the hubabaloo about this is the fact that not one shred of evidence to support any of these claims has been presented.

There are folks who are claiming to have read all 400+ pages of comments, and yet the relevant passages to support the above lies have yet to surface. And lastly, the stolen group conversations illustrate that the system in place to report flagrant posts was being utilized as it was designed to be.

Here is my question: Why would someone make up these types of lies?

Why were so many of the folks who have been pretending to be “in the middle” so very quick to assist is spreading these lies?

How did all of these “independent” posters come into possession of the same documents and draw the exact same conclusions?

Why are the same folks who are claiming that their sensibilities have been offended by Code of Honor violations here in force today berating and belittling people?

Are any of the folks who made unsubstantiated claims using out of context private conversations ever going to acknowledge their error?

Once someone has established themselves as a liar, why would anyone believe anything that they say?

MSNBC and Newsvine can run their blog as they see fit.

_______________________________________________

Pete: Agreed. Just don't call it "The first place for key political news and analysis from the NBC News Political Unit" and pretend it is actual unbiased "news". It's lefty liberal propaganda and nothing more.

Joe in Albany - I will repeat what I posted - MSNBC and Newsvine can run THEIR blog as THEY see fit.

Since it is THEIR blog, who cares WHAT they call it?

Of course, if you do not like how the blog is labeled, you COULD go elsewhere...

Pietro,

Reminds me of a tag line on another cable network,...Something like Fair and Balanced

What a LAUGH! it is neither Fair NOR Balanced, right?

Mark

Thank you for proving YET AGAIN THERE IS NO INTEGRITY IN THE NEWS

I guess NBC doesn't need money, or advertisers, or eyeballs for their site and cable channel.

Domenico aka Pietro

I'm gone BUT I STILL HAVE THAT FILE.

IF YOU WANTED TO AVOID THE APPAREANCE ON IMPROPRIETY YOU DID A CR@P JOB.

Pietro

One more little thing, doesn't NBC then owe the bloggers and the VIEWERS on a clarification of what this site and it's news division really are?

Opinions are one thing. Here political predictions are made supposedly based on FACT NOT OPINION.

So, let me ask then: Is Mark Murray the Deputy Political Director of HARD NEWS OR OPINIONS??

It does IN FACT make a difference. I thought I came here vs the Huff Po for NEWS NOT OPINION.

Guess I was wrong

Yeah, Halo, you definitely GUESSED wrong. MSNBC and Newsvine doesn't owe you SQUAT. You are a GUEST here, just like I am, just like all of the other posters here, no matter what side of the political aisle they are on.

If you do not like how MSNBC is running THEIR blog, then you can hit the door and find somewhere else to drop your nasty, vile filth that you stole.

As a GUEST, you CANNOT dictate how this blog is run, or to overrule what MSNBC wants for its blog. The mere fact that you are trying to is vile and offensive, not to mention RUDE, to our gracious hosts who tolerate you.

GMJ:

Good points. THe New GOP/TP is not being serious again. They claim they want everything on the table but then say except raising taxes on the 2%, DOD, or Special Tax Incentives for Oil Companies.

You cannot say you want everything on the table then add conditions. They are not even trying to do anything on the Debt Ceiling, this is just another stall and we will pay a big price for this.

Everything has to be on the table from tax cuts to fixing Medicare and Medicaid, reducing the DOD budget, programs, etc etc etc.

We need spending cuts and increased revenues and everybody in this country is going to have to sacrifice something. The New GOP/TP is totally against this. They want the middle class to pay all the bills while they give record tax cuts to the 2%

Absolutely. Notice the entire social safety net is on the table, and will in fact need to be destroyed in order to meet the phony conditions of the GOPTP.

The war on the middle class continues.

John B:

That is their idea of compromise. Give the millionaires and billionaires record tax cuts, gut the social programs to the bone which increases unemployment and reward the middle class by making them pay for it.

One he!! of a compromise.

Navy,

The Republicans don't say "no taxes on the 2%", they say "no new taxes", which really represents all Americans. The fact that the 2% benefit (perhaps disproportionately) does not make your statement true. If you have everything on the table on the spending side (maybe they do, maybe they don't), then I agree, the revenue side has to be addressed as well. In that sense, revising the tax law, may in fact, pass the smell test with Republicans. Eliminating loopholes does not create a new tax, although some might pay taxes on the eliminated deductions. Revising the allowable deductions doesn't create a new tax. Broadening the tax base creates additional revenue, without creating new taxes.

Those of you that believe taxing the wealthiest 2% of the nation will solve our fiscal problems are sadly mistaken. According to Forbes magazine, the 400 wealthiest Americans represent approximately 1 trillion dollars of net worth. Take all of their worth, and you still haven't covered the deficit for one year. Once you get past the 400, you're not talking about billionaires any longer, (although from my perspective, multi-millionaire sounds like a great position to be in) and the ability to tax multi-millionaires, again doesn't cover the current year deficit. Much as many of us dislike the concept (President Obama too), we, the middle class, will have to pay more in taxes, whether that's from new taxes (currently unlikely), or from a broadened tax base as a result of fewer allowable deductions.

Not sure if anyone here has been smart enough to look at the overall budget of the United States for the past 20 years, to see just how much the total budget has increased over that time frame. I know that I haven't been that smart, but perhaps a little research is in order. If our budget has gone from 2 trillion annually, to 3.5 trillion annually, perhaps the problem isn't revenue, but is spending. On the other hand, if the budget has remained relatively constant, then the problem may very well be revenue. In either case, the problem has reached a critical mass when rating agencies are questioning the value of U.S. Government debt instruments. Just fixing the current year problems would be a start, and I don't honestly expect a balanced budget, although I'd like one. The long term issue, which will be to constrain spending without hamstringing the government, will require a bi-partisan solution, and will require some pain on the part of all Americans, not just the 2%'ers that so many of you believe are the root cause of all evil.

Navy and John why haven't there been any right wing sites hacked?

we weren't actually hacked, bev. it appears to be a function of naivete on my part. I think compromised is the better word. but those in possession of our conversations don't seem to have any qualms about using it, even though they've been informed we believed it was private.

Dear President Obama,

I wonder what the Republicans-Tea People in office would do if they had complete control of the Federal Government and all laws and policies, while being able to cut all spending they want from the budget and giving all of the tax breaks they want?

What would happen to the poor and the slipping middle class?

What would happen to people's health care?

What would happen to the people who don't have food to eat?

What would happen to senior citizen's who didn't have Social Security anymore?

What would happen to senior citizen's who didn't have Medicare anymore?

What would happen to the Nations Infrastructure?

What would happen to schools and education?

What kind of camps would be set up for people to live in?

What would the people in charge say about America?

Clara KCMO

we weren't actually hacked, bev. it appears to be a function of naivete on my part. I think compromised is the better word. but those in possession of our conversations don't seem to have any qualms about using it, even though they've been informed we believed it was private

Thank you Clara

Weiner thought his Weiner was private too.

Live by the sword....well you know the rest.

You and your ilk have been outed. First Read, moderators, and contributors are TAINTED.

Again, if you don't set the site to PRIVATE and it gets published on google, well it's NOT PRIVATE ANYMORE.

Coordinating attacks, getting special privledges from the moderators...speaks for itself. IF NOTHING ABOUT THIS WAS WRONG THEN

“While searching the Roselle website, I ran across an interesting series of posts from the Feisty Redhead that I found interesting: a newsvine.com site called Libs R Us, where a number of posters, including Mark Murray from MSNBC regularly get together to plan their strategy. Page 383 outlines a strategy for having the President visit Feisty so they can denounce later the opposition. Feisty even told her ally that she would run the ruse by Mark to get his approval.”

Ron Indiana (Jun 18, 10:40 PM): Second thought: We have talked a lot about goint to St.L. and that Mark would be joining us. I do not want to compromise his work. Perhaps he sould be told that we have been hacked?

John B, Des Moines, IA (Jun 18, 10:54 PM): I think I need to write about Clarence Thomas on Monday.

I checked pot doublea1 Friday. It appears he/she just joined on the 15th. I saw a comment that I thought showed he/she knew too much for a new user. Do you remember who it was that threatened to give out your personal information?

Those that have contact with Mark please contact him. We have been hacked!!

Русские класса языке. – Translated from the Russian to English: Those that have contact with Mark please contact him. We have been hacked!!

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:28 PM): Holy @!$%#.Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:42 PM): On my list of groups I see a lock on DDI, but not on LibsRUs. Is this group public?Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 18, 6:48 PM): Me too Amy - I also logged out & went googled myself, once there libs r us does come up BUT I couldn't see any discussion... It appears I was hacked and I have NO idea how since I'm using Webroot security... I got to run - right now I'm thinking this had to be a inside job somehow....

This is some SCARY @!$%#!

Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:54 PM): did you check the groups private/public button to make sure its clicked on private? Seems like a simpler explanation than hacking. I don't think I've ever seen a lock next to LibsRUs on my homepage, but DDI has always had a lock.

** I reported this to Newsvine as a security breech – I suggest that everyone in our group does the same.

Until we get this resolved watch what we say.

>Amy you must be a member of this group and logged in to Newsvine to see the discussion.

Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 7:10 PM): how come the DDI listing has a lock next to it and not LibsRUs on my homepage? Also, it says group type: public on this page, upper left next to the dew drop inn sign?

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio (Jun 18, 7:19 PM): >Amy,

It was initially opened as Public where DDI was opened as Private. Once opened the type cannot be changed.The only difference I know is that with the DDI you cannot view anything where he anyone can view everything except the conversation.

newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 18, 7:35 PM): It was safecracker who threatened to hack Feisty

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 8:58 PM): What, have we been hacked?? This is not good. What did they post of mind??

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 9:04 PM): I just put that up today at 4:00PM. This is not good at all. We are going to have some serious problems come Monday, just watch and see.

Who is that clown that posted this? He should immediately be disbarded and anybody putting up info on us from our site needs to be disbarded as well.

Maybe we should close this site down ASAP and create a new????
****
How's TROLLWHACKERS working for ya?????

That's hilarious how US NAvy's first thought was "what did they post of mine?" LOL. Hey, halo or Groucho. I would appreciate it if one of you would email the link or pages or whatever. Can't wait to read all the stuff rellating to the discussions here that some fool was foolish enough to leave open to the public (not hacked-they just like to say that because they all have that liberal victim complex).

It is now obvious that the liberal posters here have some sort of off-the-board relationship with the moderators who have the power to ban people. I recall reading a conversation a week or so ago where Feisty Redhead was actually threatening RVZ555 with being banned. Soon after he/she was banned. Imagine that. The most obnoxious person here can ban people because she doesn't like them. I would be interested to see what they had to say about that. Would also like to see what they had to say about the legendary CU Farley (He was one of my favorites). lol

I too am surprised that Sapnky is still here seeing how he has spent the last week making these people his collective prison bitch.

Halo and Damage, does PRIVATE mean nothing to you?

How would You like it if YOUR private information was posted online?

halo3- Man you need to get a life. You would think think this was a plot to make Conservatives look stupid, they do this on their own. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. If they want to have a site with like minded people, and share their thoughts and lives, WHO CARES? And your post was like some Oldster retired CIA agent run amock! Alert the media let's try and embarrass people with their chats, maybe some of those recipes are I don't know too tasty? Twilight Zone is calling que music!

They complained that even though they got CU Farley banned his page was still active. I saved some before they (moderators and the gang o 38) deleted them, they also had their friends at Newsvine scrub the link:

Ron Indiana (May 27, 6:31 AM): Feisty and Clara: Great news about Mark coming!! I am requesting a "Round Table" with Mark to discuss politics. I suspect we would all like some time with Mark and perhaps the most efficient way is some sort of round table discussion. Also in this manner we all can hear the same questions and same answers. For many, flagging is an issue: for me I would like to hear his thoughts on how to make a greater impact and how to best deal with the Bobs and NoJos.

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Libs R Us

Gingerbread Mamma (Jun 14, 10:59 PM): I seem to have started a firestorm of sorts by suggesting we add to the list for Mark our frustration at the slowness of the well posted threads, it is ok with me if it is not included, but as the slowness is impeding one's ability to opine, then I think Mark or the powers that be need to know, as I am sure besides some folks here, I dont have the time to sit and wait for the thread to catch up. How that happens i dont much care, I'm not shy about letting him know in another way.
NDD, hope you get your access ability soon, I know how frustrating that can be and I have an IT guy here in the house. We get so used to being in touch so easily it is hard to accept we are at someone's mercy.
Jody, I didn't see Howard tonight, but as you say, he is very good at keeping his opinions on an analytical level, he is right in this instant too. Right now we have a lot of noise about these characters with Presidential aspirations, however, not one of them have the intellectual capacity of the President. This faux debate was nothing but a 'beauty' contest, and even with the addition of Jon Huntsman it is not going to get any better. I have the same feeling about him that I did of John Edwards, pretty boy with a smooth tongue.
With regards the President's words on being a one termer, who can blame him for feeling that way, perhaps he should not have said it, but the guy is so amiable, he says what is in his heart as part of a conversation and if a meanspirited partisan takes it out of context there is not much he can do about it. I'd say the same thing you cant live life in a bubble, even in the WH. Did anyone read the piece on Michelle in last week's Time? She has sneaked out of the WH with a couple of her GFs and gone shopping at Tyson's Corner and has had lunch too, and not been recognized. she refuses to conform to that damn bubble, that DC imposes on the occupants of the WH. She wants very badly to make a trip to Target
and hopefully will be able to do so unannounced. I recognize the safety factor, but they shouldn'e be prisoners or give up on their personal lives.
I will only say this one time, but that damn Spanky is a menace, the way he harasses Amy is unacceptable. I will not engage him as I dont do trash talk, but he has taken over the afternoon/early evening threads and it needs to end. Anna Molly has done a great job on him, but he keeps coming back for more. AM, am sorry things fell apart in WI today regarding collective bargaining rights, I hope those recall elections will somehow work out alright.
Dennis, I thought 'your' Gov. was very petty today when he declared the Dallas Mavs. honorary Ohioians. Really with all the problems he's having, he had to wade into that. I am not a Heat fan so it is not important who won, my team the Celts were long gone, but I couldn't help thinking, how republican and smallminded can one be in trying to be a 'regular' guy. OK everyone, I am off the soapbox, have to go to bed, I fear when we hit STL, there will be little sleep as we all have much to talk about. Good Night All.

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Libs R Us

Jody, Iowa (May 26, 11:11 PM): That's great news about Mark Murray and Sasha coming to STL; it's exciting to think someone from MSNBC, FR, would come to our gathering. No doubt he'll have some interesting stories to tell us and is probably interested in feedback from us as well
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newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 9:06 AM): Done, Dennis.
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 9:08 AM): And this may be ridiculous, given the situation, but Happy Dad's day to our dads. Your children are particularly fortunate.
Gingerbread Mamma (Jun 19, 9:16 AM): Dennis I sent mine too and flagged the post. To me this is particularly disturbing that the poster erroneosly included Mark in the group and I hope that wont be a problem for him.
For any further discussion of this problem, please contact me by email as I will be away for the rest of the day.
To all the great Dads here....................enjoy all the tributes and salutations. You are the best.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 9:25 AM): Flagged & E-mails sent.
Apologies for putting this group at risk...
The question I have is, if we shut down LRU and open a new group, couldn't they just hack me again?
Until we find out HOW it happened, there's a good chance it would continue...
Feisty Redholderead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 9:26 AM): Nice work gang - it's been deleted - now we can only hope it wasn't saved somewhere...
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 9:28 AM): One more thing - what it tells me is Newsvine hasn't done @!$%# to address this!
It was US that deleted those posts by flagging - the account is still open & active!
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 9:45 AM): If the group is set to be private, like the DDI, can't we not show it on our profile page? Otherwise, we meet away from here like Ron suggested.
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 9:46 AM): When Hughes net was here, they talked with me about privacy, and the importance of signing out of sites, changing passwords, and TURNING COMPUTERS OFF AT NIGHT, which I had never done. I have done that since. They said taking the computer off line protects it, since the hackers are busy little bees at night. I do change passwords frequently.

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Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 19, 2:24 PM): I just flagged that one as advertising as well. This guy was obviously banned at some point and now he's going after Feisty as revenge. His posting conversations from this group is totally off topic, to say the least, not to mention a seriouse breach of code.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 19, 3:15 PM): He's back - already flagged for advertising...
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Clara KCMO (Jun 19, 3:22 PM): the posts are being deleted before I can read them.
US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 19, 3:27 PM): I said it was going to go downhill. Now he/she is calling out Mark. This is not going to end well.
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 3:46 PM): What is he posting now? he will get banned, soon as they catch up with him on Monday.
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 3:55 PM): Navy: what did he say?
newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 19, 3:57 PM): Amy: deep b

Fielden

It was published on GOOGLE AND NOT PRIVATE.

Published on google does mean it is private.

Hummm

Lol I guess the gang o 38 is back to the "third person approach" I guess that was Feisty marching order today...

I'm not a conservative either. I believe in FREE SPEECH that does not include some getting a free pass on THREATENING someone's family with a gun (like Feisty) Or calling the GOP Nazi's (Navy) or running ruse's past MM to see what he thinks.

They got caught and deserved it. Every single bit of it.

I was unaware the word Nazi had been stricken from the public domain.

duly noted.

pssst,...safecracker, you're going to get caught, too.

I think halo3v should be banned just for lack of morals and a lying sack of caca. Funny how shim just woke up from a nap that started in 2007, to do a friendly hack job now. Shim has been a member for so long, made one comment and went to sleep, then came back to Google something that shim would not be aware of since it started while shim slept.

halo3v, you are not very smart. Even if you can hack it only makes you sleazy. You felt left out while you were sleeping. I suppose if someone hack into your personal email or catch you talking crap about your boss to your family at home, you would deserve getting fired, right?

Karma, payback is beautiful thing.

Fletch,

Indeed you are wrong. One of the admins forgot to click the "PRIVATE" link. I was lurking yesterday and googled as instructions.

LOOK carefully at the post. Clara also admitted that SHE messed up on another thread.

All I did was google. Yeah I can hack, but CHOOSE not to. People's own stupidity makes it unecessary.

I have made plenty of comments as Halo and Halo1. Feisty attacked me so often I gave up posting.

NOW I just give up blogging here. Obviously the moderators and actual "journalists" have no respect for their own COH

Frankly if this is the kind of website, where people can threaten others WITH A GUN and call others Nazi's all for having a different opinion, I would be ashamed.

But then again the person (Feisty aka the wicked witch o the mid-west) said that "Mark stays up at night worrying about the integrity of this site. One good hard look at what is tolerated here by the "Inn" crow makes that cause for concern.

People on the board ARE OWED AN APOLOGY from the staff for what gets done. Yeah I have a problem with the little meeting in STL but hey you know what; I don't expect any better here now.

DON'T PRETEND THAT FOR ONE MINUTE ANY OF THE LURKERS HERE BELIEVE THE FEISTY'S, NDD, RON, US NAVY'S, and Amy's. A mob is a truly disgusting thing, and that's what the "Inn" crowd is.

Halo, if you have a problem with Libs R Us meeting in St. Louis, all you have to do is get up off your lazy butt and create your own group. Mark Murray has graciously offered to visit ALL groups that ask him.

But no - you cannot do that. You just want to stay on here, bitching and moaning about what? About the site not being a 'hard political' site?

That doesn't EVEN pass the giggle test.

You have no debating skills, and you CANNOT refute what Navy, or Amy, or Feisty or Ron post, so you are degrading them. And that crack about the 'in' crowd - well, that is what it is all about, isn't it?

So now you want to pick up all of your marbles and go.

Fine.

GO.

Good riddance.

Nice try and shifting platforms there PIetro. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY FACTS TO SUPPORT. They cannot support the personal attacks and pretend that they do not exist. NOR can they pretend they were not flagging people as "advertising" when someone disagreed with them

It say a LOT about YOU PIetro that you would try and defend those TRYING TO SILENCE FREE SPEECH. See I have no problem with their actual political posts.

I have a HUGE problem with those who are allowed to break the COH again and again and NOTHING gets done. I guess if I, like Feisty, were friends with "MARK COT FOR NEWSVINE" I could do it too.

This site lives in some kind of vacuum it appears.

I bet Keith Olbermann finds this whole situation very interesting indeed. And trust me, left wing Keith attacking left wing MSNBC will be a popcorn fest for months to come.

halo

I am pretty sure all Olbermann would have to say about is is, "You sir, are an idiot!"

I am still flattered that you think we have that much influence. Paranoia is just NOT a pretty look for you. But carry on,...it certainly makes you feel important!

I am curious why you CHOOSE to believe only PART of my admission? I also stated that the coordinated flags were to protect info we THOUGHT had been hacked. I am not aware of any other coordinated flags to get info taken down.

I do remember a Friday that I mentioned using the "No Value" flag; but if you look out in the archives on any given day that has happened on BOTH sides. Thus my reference to nuclear wasteland, toxic dump, etc.

You are SELECTIVELY being offended and it makes you seem exactly like the petty, churlish person that you apparently are. Nothing about this entire issue has anything to do with what happened but apparently how YOU feel in your freakish controlling way the outcome should be on YOUR terms.

Sorry; but LIFE isn't on YOUR terms. And this board is certainly NOT on YOUR terms, or MY terms or any other GUEST'S terms. No matter how much you've decided that it is.

You know, halo, I was going to tear you a new one for that last post.

Lucky for you, Clara pretty much said what I was going to. Now that we know you are the resident THIEF around here, and you are bragging that you are, then we all know what you REALLY stand for.

I think that knowing that you are a THIEF pretty much sums it up. What is even more amusing is that you are on the internet - that is broadcast all over the WORLD - stating that you are a THIEF. And now you are announcing that you want to take your 'transcript' and go to Keith Olbermann?

Do you really think that Keith Olbermann would waste his time on a self-professed THIEF like you?

I guess you REALLY cannot fix stupid.

So, Halo - here is YOUR sign.

And by all means, KEEP TALKING.

halo,

Like I said, it's funny that you only showed for this little revenge score after not posting since December 2007. That's a little fishy.

It also shows that you are not much of a human being. To try and justify your reasons for being a thief do little to earn or deserve anything more than disrespect. Is it that doing this satisfies your need for revenge because you were excluded from the group? Does this shows just how much of a good citizen you are for publishing people private thoughts? What if you found someones personal journal, would you make it public because you did not like what they wrote? You feel the need to 'out' these people because even though YOU were not affected in any way, you have to feed your need to be vindictive.

I have been attacked for no reason. Feisty and Navy are the most collapsed in all of MSNBC for no apparent reason. Some gets really upset if they do not show up on a comment board and they are attacked for that. I am sure you are loving this.

You are only in this for petty revenge. You are also envious of a group that love and support each other. That they went to STL with Mark is killing you. I can totally understand why no one would want to claim you as a friend. Your envy is blinding you so much you think Kieth is going to pay a petty thief some attention. You are hoping this will give you your 15 minutes. halo, you are an idiot.

Your 15 minutes will consist of people who are as vindictive as you are asking you to share information or reading your posts. You will be kept alive as long as you keep THEM interested. After that you're done. So for your sake I hope you milk it for as long as you can. You are a coward who is trying to use these people to gain some recognition. You have certainly been recognized as a petty, vindictive coward and a thief.

So now that you are the big man on campus you actually believe this...DON'T PRETEND THAT FOR ONE MINUTE ANY OF THE LURKERS HERE BELIEVE THE FEISTY'S, NDD, RON, US NAVY'S, and Amy's. A mob is a truly disgusting thing, and that's what the "Inn" crowd is...........now a petty thief is calling all other viners lurkers? Besides using stolen property, can you tell us why we should believe a petty thief over them? Or do we believe the wimpy kid who got ridiculed at school and is now out for revenge. Or maybe we should believe a person who finds a wallet, strips it and throw it away but use the ticket from that wallet to attend the game? halo, that's what your, a sorry excuse for a human.

Now go see Keith. ROTFLMBO.

ABSOLUTELY, Da Noid. Norquist is destructive to our ability to talk sensibly about budgets. He's also Exhibit A in the case that Republican Conservatives are too deep in the pockets of special interests.

Once it's clear that he won't be re-elected businesses and individuals will start to gain confidence.

So, basically, business leaders are scared of President Obama?

Clearly, the campaign remains the same..."Vote Republican Or We Won't Give You Any Jobs!"

Yes Noid, Obama's anti-business policy and rhetoric has hurt the private sector. Remember the TARP program designed to help banks return to normal lending? Obama turned that program into punishment for the banks. Instead of lending banks clamed up until they could raise enough private capital to shed those ridiculous after the fact TARP policies. Then once banks were getting back on thier feet along comes that ridiculous Frank/Dodd Act that Obama signed into law. Again throwing the financial system back into turmoil. We really deserve better leadership. It helps that Obama nolonger has a majority in the house. But it's clearly unlikley that he will sign any real pro-business legislation. VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

So do you honestly believe that the banks who got their butts saved by TARP should have simply been allowed to go back to "Business As Usual"? They're the ones who tossed the economy into the hopper in the first place.

Let's be realistic. Government gaurentee of mortgages for people who clearly werent qualified to be home owners caused the majority of the problems in the housing market. After this crisis it's unlikley any investors would beleive a US Mortgage is a safe investment. But the TARP program should not have been turned into a whip. We spent alot of time and money on TARP olny to have it nullified by Obama's poor leadership......

UAW Pleeeeeeeease

Yes Noid, Obama's anti-business policy and rhetoric has hurt the private secto

Sure that's why he gave them an extension of the failed Bush Tax cuts in order to get money for those out of work. Doesn't sound unfriendly to me ; more like ungrateful. The more the President compromises the more these greedy bas-turds lie.

Keep the Tax Cuts on the table Mr. President and let these crooks walk on by.

This crooks & liars should be thanking the President and American tax payers; since they hardly pay any; instead of lying and whining.

Bev, It's unlikley you will get any support for raising taxes while Obama is in the White House. People have just had it with his poor money management. That $ trillion he spent on stimulus was largley negated buy his anti-business policies and rhetoric. If you want taxes raised we need to elect a president that both sides of the house can believe that he will spend that added revenue wisley. We need better leadership. VOTE FOR CHANGE IN 2012!

The economy won't get better till people have money to spend, people won't have money to spend until the economy gets better, we are in a hell of a shape. The only thing scaring small business is the fact that no customers are walking in their door. They don't need tax breaks they need customers, first you have to make a buck before you worry about the taxes on that dollar.

Polls show that a large majority of people would blame the Republicans if the debt ceiling is not raised.

Vote for Change in 2012. Vote for all Democrats.

Come on Job1 that's like saying polls suggest a large majority of people blame Democrats if nothing gets done about the debt that reached the ceiling....

Keep believing your garbage.

And, Forrest, if people have less in their pocket because of tax increases, they won't be flocking through the front door of business. You do not raise taxes in a recession/time of very slow growth.

Who do you think I want to raise taxes on, the 14 million unemployed already got their tax break no job no taxes, taxes have never been lower for them. Like I said if you have no income, taxes are not what your are worried about.

Forrest, are you then saying we should raise taxes on those who are actually buying goods and services - those same people who are paying for those who don't have jobs, whether it be because of unemployment or lack of desire to find a job/take a lower paying job.

If you have no income and depend on others to provide for you, of course you don't worry about taking from someone else. Some do it the illegal way (robbery) and some do it the "legitimate" way - by force of government.

I'm saying the wealth should pay their fair share of the taxes, the government should spent it wisely here not on war with countries that can not harm us if we would just leave. Our infrastructure is crumbling we need to put more people to work on that first to get some money moving to create the demand the private sector needs.

Jody:

I just love you weekly recaps. They are so much better than MSM.

excellent, as always, Jody! Happy Friday!

Thanks for the recap, Jody. We recently had a situation around here where a GI's remains from WWII were found, identified and the family could bury him---I remember thinking how wonderful that the military went to all the effort to do this.

Have a great weekend.

Better watch out Jody - if Brian Williams does his 'and that's the way it is this week' segment tonight - the paranoid posse will surely drag you & him into their conspiracy theory!

Just kidding - excellent as usual and much needed to get back to the real issues...

Jody, no mention of the bi-partisan vote in NJ to dial back public worker benefits? You don't think that is big news?

Yep, my weekly post and Brian William's segment is worthy of conspiracy theory chatter! FYI--I am not a paid blogger, receive no checks from MSNBC or NBC, have never met Brian Williams, or any of our First Read hosts. I post for the sheer love of politics and FR is "the" place for it.

Alan, NJ. I do not pretend to cover every happening in every state. Thanks for adding one I missed.

Jody, no mention of the bi-partisan vote in NJ to dial back public worker benefits? You don't think that is big news?

It is big news, it is more bad news for NJ's economy, less and less disposable income means more unemployment for NJ, just more downward pressure on small bussiness, and NJ will still have buget problems.

GREAT ONE, Jody.

And yet you advocated for higher taxes, Forrest. You appear to be contradicting yourself.

It would appear so but the difference is between big business and small business the all time low tax rate on big business is punishing the small businessman who needs small customers, government employees were still working and had a little disposable income to spend in the neighborhood. If people can only make the mortgage, utilities, gasoline, and insurance, (all big business) what is left for the small businessman who rarely deals in the necessities, but depends on people having some discretionary disposable income to spend. These policies do not help the small businessman, the extremely rich people that benefit most from these policies do not shop in the neighborhoods of NJ.

Thanks Jody. As expected, great piece.

Great point, Forrest. Conservatives say they're all about business, but what they mean is they're all about BIG business. Main Street continues to suffer along with the middle class, largely because your average Main Street merchant IS middle class or upper middle class. The GOPTP agenda is all about creating a new American aristocracy.

Bill, today Harry Reid is quoted that the impasse over the debt ceiling can only be resolved by a coordinated effort between himself, Speaker Boehner, and President Obama.

I wonder- does Reid wonder where the third person in that trio has been hiding?

A person would have to be deaf, dumb, blind and stupid not to realize that Obama has been AWOL on this. Why? In my opinion, because he has no clue what to do about it.

Seems there is no " strategic reserve" of cash he can release in an attempt to bolster his sinking chances of re election.

Heck, he cannot even meet his fundraising goals.

Actually nojo, as was pointed out to me previously, Joe Biden is representing the President in the debt ceiling negotiations. It would probably be more accurate to state the person missing is Harry Reid. The Senate hasn't bothered to vote on a budget, nor have they bothered to prepare a budgetary document. As Senate Majority Leader, that falls on Harry Reid's stooped shoulders, apparently that's one more burden he can't bear.

Living in L.A., it was Reid who named the three who could solve this issue- Biden's name was not on the list.

Considering that Biden's group is made upmof nearly all democrats, you kind of wonder what, exactly, they are talking about.

Seems to me they are having difficulty agreeing on what to order for lunch.

You got to love Harry's quote though

Party leaders must step in and reach a deal on the debt ceiling, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday.

With House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) leaving bipartisan talks and Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) demanding President Obama step in on the issue of taxes, Reid said only the senior leaders of the Senate and House can work out a deal with the president.

“I think that now with what Kyl and Cantor have done, it’s in the hands of the Speaker and the president and sadly, probably me,” Reid told reporters.

thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/budget/168153-reid-debt-ceiling-is-now-in-leadership-hands

Amy, it is my understanding that a member of your group unlocked the door and made these discussions public. That you, and other membersmof your group, were misusing the advertising flag to delete posts was a clear violation of the CoH, and those who proudly admitted it should be suspended.

Will not happen. None of the other violations had any repercussions, so I am pretty sure you are in the clear.

Don't blame those who read what a member of your merry band made public- blame the member who did it.

Don't blame those who learned something from this- blame yourselves and the powers that be on this board for allowing your group to be above the rules.

You have a new secret clubhouse, right? Still on for the convention, right?

Well, I have a suggestion for Mark Murray- considering the controversy, and the fact that this roundtable is still taking place, with Skype hook-up for those not in attendance, why not do a live feed hook-up here on First Read?

Then, everybody interested can know what is going on- no more allegations of collusion.

The live feed sounds like a terrific idea, njnb.

I'm certain that the Obama Administration, and even President Obama, would be moved by such an impressive display of transparency.

Amy,

Since I have no idea what happened, and since I probably care even less about the private chat room, I have only two words for you (actually it's probably more than two): Anthony Weiner.

Private assumes that all of you understood, and agreed, that (to paraphase Vegas) "what's said in the chat room, stays in the chat room". If one of you failed in that agreement, then the fault rests with that person, whomever it may be. I saw earlier that (I believe it was A.M.) thought it might have been hacking, and that might be a crime. If that's true, good luck proving it, and I'd support your right to pursue it. Ex-Rep Weiner made the same mistake, he thought that those whom he communicated with would keep their "conversations" private. We all saw how well that turned out for him.

nojo,

that is not the belief or assumption we are under,...I covered this in the beginning of my post. The site was set up as public. But every time we used it we had to be logged in. The site actually had a box that stated that non members could not see the discussion. That was not the case.

Someone cleverly figured out how to go through cached pages and retrieve the data before I was able to get it shut down.

As I've stated, the conversation was believed to be private and it would be appreciated if that were respected; but obviously, what's done is done.

Yes, Clara, what is done is done- but much of the damage can be undone.

The powers that be can restore the accounts of those you had suspended, for example.

Members of your group who deliberately flagged posts as "advertising" when they were no such thing can be appropriately addressed.

Your roundtable meeting with Mark Murray can be made public- since it involves this board, there are many more interested parties than just your little group.

Violations of the CoH can be addressed evenhandedly in the future.

After all, all of you are interested in the integrity of this board, are you not?

I feel the same way Amy. I don't know that I will continue on here. Something special has been lost.

Living in L.A.

We may never know how that chat room dialogue ended up on Google, but it certainly is a word to the wise to expect anything you say online to end up in public. (can you imagine if we'd been sexting!)

Amy,

I'll gladly admit to being too old for sexting, I kind of need to be there in person. Now, if that had been available 30 years ago, look out, I'm in!

Get your own road show, no jo. You're not hijacking ours. I don't know WHAT safecracker did to get himself banned (the bar is PRETTY high and they definitely suspended him first); but he has been continually deleted/banned for trying to come back under other monikers. They are discovering him and banning him. He has admitted to at least two to three phony id's. AND apparently he was banned on a thread yesterday as now i'm here. BANNED is BANNED. Trying to reinvent himself isn't working. By the way, he personally THREATENED Feisty months ago. and it seems yesterday someone said they would CRUCIFY her. yeah,...whatever.

The coordinated deletion of posts were related to our private chat being published. when we thought we had been hacked. I don't know a jury around that would convict us for protecting ourselves and our information. As you can see, once we realized it was our OWN mistake, we've left it alone. You never seem to mind when your side coordinates collapses and makes the site look like a toxic wasteland.

You don't own outrage, nojo. and the way you selectively apply it says much more about you than it does about us.

Then EXPLAIN how all of now I'm here's posts got deleted???? Since they were posted AFTER you claim to have recognized your mistake and "let it go"

I honestly don't know; but it COULD be a by-product of the banishment itself? Have you thought about asking Tyler directly?

He's quite reasonable when approached reasonably. although you'll probably want to do that from a library,...just a tip.

Love you, sweetie! big Hugs and Happy Friday!

I agree 100%.

This just demonstrates how low some people will stoop to try and makes some political points. Some just do not care and even worse they see nothing morally wrong with it let alone that hacking a private site is illegal.

This is where this country is heading as I have written oh so many times. There are no rules anymore. Politicians lie through their teeth every day knowing that their is not accountability or responsibility for what they say or do.

It is going to get worse before it gets better.

Bravo JoAnne!

Keep taking care of those precious kitties!

*hugs*

JoAnne :

Thank you for sharing your comments. Spoken from the heart and as always; spot-on.

Lovely Jo Anne. Uncle Redneck

JoAnne,

This conservative thinks highly of you, and likes you just the way you want to be.

Have a great weekend.

Hugs, JoAnne---great post. You will be with us in spirit in St. Louis (isn't that Lindbergh's plane?).

Joanne...

Wow! You've always been one of my favorite posters and have always treated me with respect. I'm sorry about your situation. If you ever need any help on the Florida side of things, please don't hesitate to send me a private message and I can see what I can do to help out.

Take care!!

Not being a member of the group, I see no problem with like minded folks getting together and talking about family, friends...life. Seems it is kinda of like a facebook thing with a bit of gossip included.

JoAnne - Thanks for sharing a little about yourself. You definately seem that you have good friends who I'm sure will continue to support you. I'm not to that point, but I know it will be difficult as my parents age.

Let me tell you something, you are one of those posters, at least for me who always seems to post a hearfelt comment that stirs an emotion or two. A welcome and very rare poster and Ibelieve person.

Not sure about your beliefs but will put out a good thought/prayer for you.

JoAnne PA. Perfect! Happy Friday.

"...I see no problem with like minded folks getting together and talking about family, friends...life."

Me either, Mark...and I said as much yesterday.

But, how do you feel about like minded-folks getting together to inappropriately flag comments in such a way that those comments will be deleted?

Or, how about like-minded folks being involved in efforts to close the Newsvine accounts of those with whom they disagree, or simply don't like?

Too bad the files were saved....before your friends at Newsvine and MSBNC scurbbed them:

“While searching the Roselle website, I ran across an interesting series of posts from the Feisty Redhead that I found interesting: a newsvine.com site called Libs R Us, where a number of posters, including Mark Murray from MSNBC regularly get together to plan their strategy. Page 383 outlines a strategy for having the President visit Feisty so they can denounce later the opposition. Feisty even told her ally that she would run the ruse by Mark to get his approval.”

Ron Indiana (Jun 18, 10:40 PM): Second thought: We have talked a lot about goint to St.L. and that Mark would be joining us. I do not want to compromise his work. Perhaps he sould be told that we have been hacked?

Well, this confirms many suspicions that there is a connection between Mark Murray and the hard-core bloggers on newsvine. And you guys can ban anyone who you feel is offensive to you; so, containing content is crucial to the MSNBC site?

John B, Des Moines, IA (Jun 18, 10:54 PM): I think I need to write about Clarence Thomas on Monday.

I checked pot doublea1 Friday. It appears he/she just joined on the 15th. I saw a comment that I thought showed he/she knew too much for a new user. Do you remember who it was that threatened to give out your personal information?

Those that have contact with Mark please contact him. We have been hacked!!

Русские класса языке. – Translated from the Russian to English: Those that have contact with Mark please contact him. We have been hacked!!

HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:28 PM): Holy @!$%#.Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:42 PM): On my list of groups I see a lock on DDI, but not on LibsRUs. Is this group public?Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL (Jun 18, 6:48 PM): Me too Amy - I also logged out & went googled myself, once there libs r us does come up BUT I couldn't see any discussion... It appears I was hacked and I have NO idea how since I'm using Webroot security... I got to run - right now I'm thinking this had to be a inside job somehow....

This is some SCARY @!$%#!

Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 6:54 PM): did you check the groups private/public button to make sure its clicked on private? Seems like a simpler explanation than hacking. I don't think I've ever seen a lock next to LibsRUs on my homepage, but DDI has always had a lock.

** I reported this to Newsvine as a security breech – I suggest that everyone in our group does the same.

Until we get this resolved watch what we say.

>Amy you must be a member of this group and logged in to Newsvine to see the discussion.

Amy B. Portland, ME (Jun 18, 7:10 PM): how come the DDI listing has a lock next to it and not LibsRUs on my homepage? Also, it says group type: public on this page, upper left next to the dew drop inn sign?

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio (Jun 18, 7:19 PM): >Amy,

It was initially opened as Public where DDI was opened as Private. Once opened the type cannot be changed.The only difference I know is that with the DDI you cannot view anything where he anyone can view everything except the conversation.

newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 18, 7:35 PM): It was safecracker who threatened to hack Feisty

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 8:58 PM): What, have we been hacked?? This is not good. What did they post of mind??

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 9:04 PM): I just put that up today at 4:00PM. This is not good at all. We are going to have some serious problems come Monday, just watch and see.

Who is that clown that posted this? He should immediately be disbarded and anybody putting up info on us from our site needs to be disbarded as well.

Maybe we should close this site down ASAP and create a new??????

newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 18, 9:08 PM): I do think we should open a new chat

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 9:11 PM): NDD: I just went and saw it. I am pissed, god only knows what else they got. I just fired this off to FR. This is bad, real bad.

It has come to my attention that our Newsvine site Libs R us has been hacked. One of my internal posts to this private group has been posted on FR today June 18, 2011. This is wrong and the person that posted should be banned as they had no right to break into our private site and thy did not have any permission to do this.

– Public domain Navy. Listen to Dennis in Columbus, you didn’t place the controls on the site when initiated it! Blame the administrator. No one hacked your site. A public domain is a public domain.

This is a major security breach and puts about 30+ dedicated FR posters at risk and this has to be addressed immediately.

And about time to expose the hypocrisy found between MSNBC and the Progressive hard-core bloggers on MSNBC First Read. Keep planning the strategy at your ballgame meeting with Mark.

newdayDAWNING10 (Jun 18, 9:15 PM): Navy: I have been thinking about this: We have never hidden that we are a group. You would have to be foolish to think we don't talk strategy. It is not a secret that we don't like no jo, and she doesn't like us. If you read the response from the one guy who read it he said "so". Look, it has to be fixed, but I wouldn't be too upset about it.

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 9:17 PM): I pray to God this is not an inside job. Some people will stoop to anything to try and win. And if you as listening you can print this one as well you prick. – Dennis didn’t provide the proper firewalls on your site Navy. As for being a pr!ck Navy, I wasn’t going to move farther with this, but your comment plucked me off you hypocrite. Submitted all pages to several locations for continuation of this connection!

US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired (Jun 18, 9:18 PM): NDD: I know and I will be prepard, but this just demonstrates how low some people will go.

newdayWNING10 (Jun 18, 9:21 PM): It will be fine Navy: meet over at DDI, we can chat there. – Perhaps I will

Thank you to my fellow libs - as always and for everything.

And many, many thanks to LA, Grimey and Yellowdog - you're the kind of people who make me want to keep coming back here for more - even after the stress and invasion of privacy I've felt this past week. I always look forward to all your posts. A lot of people here could learn from your style and civility.

Grimey - I'll (hopefully) be heading down to Fort Myers in early August for Mom's 80th birthday. Come on down (up?) and you can buy us both a lemon ginger martini at Bahama Breeze. Cheers!

Halo

You're showing a lack of reading comprehension and a willfull ignorance that is not surprising.

Mark Murray was NEVER a member of that group, or any other group I have been involved in. Period. It's a fact. The discussion you seem to cling to is whether or not doublea1 was a reincarnated BANNED poster. Apparently he was because as of Monday, he was BANNED again. We don't have the power you attribute to us. I assure you. Everyone loves a good intrigue; but you're grasping at straws here.

Please stop blaming Dennis for MY mistakes in setting up that group. I am sure he wouldn't have made those mistakes. sheesh.

Well one thing we now know for sure is

I'm here now was in FACT safecracker!

tyler

now i'm here banned, weird harassing trolling of Mr. Murray and Mr. Montanaro, rereg of safecracker.

#43.1 - Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:46 AM CDT

Looks like Tyler took down I'm here.

See for yourself: http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/23/6925045-first-thoughts-down-the-unpopular-middle?pc=25&sp=25#c55301412

Here is a heads up to you, Halo, but you just go ahead and post all of those transcripts. I am sure inquiring minds want to know more.

Mixed Bag - But, how do you feel about like minded-folks getting together to inappropriately flag comments in such a way that those comments will be deleted?

Or, how about like-minded folks being involved in efforts to close the Newsvine accounts of those with whom they disagree, or simply don't like?

______

MB, I will be honest I have flagged other's posts that are full of vulgarities and threats as inflammatory. I don't think anyone should flag a post as advertising unless it says something like "Hi I am a lonely, single looking and I've found a match site..."

Believe me I don't understand nor have I read all of the rules for posting here. I understand it that if a poster has been banned he can not come back as a new handle. By the way, I don't agree with that rule, but apparently that is the rule. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes, they took it upon themselves to, by colluding to close the account. I wouldn't do that. The crib notes about flagging non-ads as ads to allow them to be deleted was wrong.

On a bigger issue.

I really like it here and want to see differing opinions. Once in a great while I might even enjoy a witty sarcastic barb by Spanky, NoJo and JAS1. I like Bill's fanciful tales. I think others like American and you too Mixed Bag bring good content. However, it does become tiresome that there is selective judgement. I don't know how many times I see a comment by Juvenbach, ITM, RVZ, blackbelt, Bob # that is voted up - green starred. At times their pearls of wisdom are nothing more than a heated, vile attack or sarcastic jab at a poster or a Democratic politician.

However, I have never seen a GOP type, feel that one of their own crossed a line. However, they all get upset when one of the liberals responds in kind.

I will say it publicly and not in private there are some liberal posters who bring nothing to the table and I don't like their manner of posting. However there are many liberals and conservatives who do add to the discussion. I want that to continue.

To those of you laughing or ridiculing that these friends got together and have no life, what does it say that you are all so interested in what they said.

Be careful, people in glass houses should not throw stones. First we cannot get people suspended or they accounts banned. That comes from Tyler and Sally not anybody on this board. Some have been banned and re-registered under another name and got caught. Hence they got banned again. In fact in the year I have been here I have not seen many people banned.

The flagging issue has always bothered me as I get my post taken down a lot. There a very few that get hammered on that like I do. I think Feisty hold the record on the number of her posts that have been collapsed.

All it takes is 5 people I believe to flag a post and it is gone. I do not think the power to collapse or delete a post should in in the hands of the posters. This should be the realm of the moderators and it should be for legit reasons, not just because you point of view is different than mine. Sometimes this site is like dodge. One side starts and then the other follows and chaos happens and then the site is no longer fun for anybody except those that come here for that reason only. And that does happen.

I think the flags should be noted and sent to the powers to be. They should then look at the psot and make a decision as to whether if it is within bounds or not. It if is not then it gets taken down and the psoters gets an e-mail why so they do not do it again.

THis flag thing hits all of us and what we should be doing is asking Newsvine to change it. Yelling at each other does nothing, there are those that will scam the system no matter what. This flagging issue need to be addressed by all of us.

I vote let the posts stand. If you do not like that person, don't read em or put them on ignore. We also need to clean up the name calling again. That is also on both sides and often times one starts it and the other responds and the next thing you know others are joing the feeding frenzy.

Just my opions, nothing more.

oh i can keep posting, but i'm not going to get banned for it.

as for "now i'm here" why should they have been banned??
i'd looooovvvveeeee and explanation for that, since the wicked witch of chicago is allowed to threaten people's families with guns?????

now i'm here is banned for telling the truth. feisty gets a free pass for threatening someone.

up is down and down must be up.

Yellowdog,

To those of you laughing or ridiculing that these friends got together and have no life, what does it say that you are all so interested in what they said.

Its not what they said, except Fesity's attach on nojo. Its what they did. It should be a level playing field, right? But they decided not so much, and made adjustments. That's my problem with this.

halo,

we know you are safecracker. we know now i'm here was safecracker. tyler explained yesterday why now i'm here was banned. have you thought about changing your motus operandi?

I don't know what you did to get yourself banned in the first place; but seriously, get over it. Once you've been banned,...they can tell that you are re-registering. So they will continue to ban you.

figure it out or you'll get banned again.

Lol I'm not safecracker. I'm Halo and have been since BEFORE First Read flipped to Newsvine.

But hey since you and the moderators are friends, I'm sure you'll get me banned for something. But of course I won't have threatened anyone's family with a GUN (LIKE FEISTY DID).

Tyler can check IP address as I'm sure he has done. And at the behest of the gang o 38 he banned "now i'm here" of course NIH and Safrecracker were literally accross country from one another, so I doubt they are the same person.

Now, why did NIH posts come down, simple:

1. The coordinated attacks among the 38 and their efforts to collapse and flag for advertizing was outted.

2. There no explaining away WHY Mark Murray would waste his time with a bunch of liberal bloggers with NO degrees in journalism.

3. There is no explanation the moderators can give to the reasoning why some posters are above the COH and others are not.

All I did was lift a post from Hawks and Doves and repost it here. Nothing illegal in copying and pasting.

I saw MM wanted to speak to NIH I guess he's a little upset that his bias has been outed. Not surprising.

Again THE GANG O 38 IS ALLOWED TO VIOLATE THE COH WITHOUT ISSUE. Nothing NIH posted violated the COH. I lurk here a lot but don't often comment.

Maybe Tyler can CLARIFY why he took down their page. After the NEWS and the TRUTH should be the same thing. Too often they are NOT.

halo, thetotas, you can disagree with what you call manipulation. It has yet to be connected that talk actually led to action.

But two wrongs certaily do not make a right. halo, publishing private conversations, over and over, for whatever reason, is not only another wrong, it is dishonorable. If you had merely tried to correct the first inustice, that would be one thing. What you have done is an attack even more greivous than the original.

halo

I'm perfectly content clara-fying it for you. I took down the page. Once I realized how it was being viewed.

I really wish I had as much power as the speculators suspect. But I don't.

Well, according to Tyler - http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/23/6925045-first-thoughts-down-the-unpopular-middle?pc=25&sp=25#c55301412

Across the country or not, you've been outed. Oops, I mean 'they've' been outed.

Get over it.

Umm, Mirror - what a crack,...

You WANT this to be nefarious, you NEED this to be nefarious and it is clear you will be greatly disappointed when it turns out that it isn't nefarious.

Our group is simply not that influential. there are groups on the vine with literally HUNDREDS of members,...we are not they.

There is a simple solution to clear away any hintmof collusion-

Put the roundtable on this site, live, so anyone interested can see and hear what is going on.

I kind of have a vested interest in knowing what yournplans to silence me are- as do Mixed Bag, dangerfield, Spanky, JS1, and others I do not name in the interest of time and space.

How about it, Mark Murray?

Hey---we're clandecent---whatever that means.

Given the total collapse of any belief in the ethics of the people who hacked our group and circulated our private correspondence and information and continue to post it here, I can't imagine that anyone would agree to make our roundtable discussions public. You will have to trust Mark Murray when he represents to you that it will be a general discussion of politics.

no jo,

I've paid the costs for the room for the discussion out of my money. It's very LIBERAL of you to suggestion you should get to share in that spoil, no?

PS. I think you are the PERFECT example that if we'd really had an agenda to silence our opposition,...we certainly COULD have done so with you. Obviously we didn't. So either our 'targeted attacks' were successful because they were legitimate OR we were just too in love with you to send you the way of the dinosaur. So which is it? Can't have both, honey.

My understanding, Clara, is that you had great success getting rid of new accounts, but not much with the older ones.

If you are not on board with making the roundtable public, then I suggest that, in order to maintain the appearance of journalistic integrity, Mark Murray not participate.

I have another suggestion. Mark Murray has offered to do the same for any other group that wishes to form a group and meet. Why don't you test that out? Form your group, send an invitation to Mark and see what happens. I am not going to the meeting, and while I would love to hear what Mark has to say, I realize that I can't. For no jo and Groucho to keep saying that there was a concerted effort to suppress dialog is not what happened. I have called for collapsed posts both on FR and in the chat room when I thought they were really over the line. As to what I said about no jo, it is simply true. She does not like me, I don't like her daily litany of hate. Not sure why that is a problem. I have her on ignore. I have some of the others of you on ignore too. I don't want to get into a back and forth, though I realize that I sometimes violate my own rule. But, if you look back on the posts at FR, I think the most collapsed are actually Navy's and Feisty's. no jo keeps repeating that a goal of that meeting was to stop her and others from posting. That is simply not true. What they were curious about, is how to deal more effectively with those who are far right.

Did we have an expectation of privacy. Yes. I am sorry that there are those of you who feel it necessary use that information. It really makes me sad.

So, I am willing to take feedback. If you want me to leave this board because you think I have violated some rule, tell me.

Let's add THIS to the ginormous list of things you MISUNDERSTAND. Organize your own round table. Mark said he'd come if he was going to be wherever you are,...take him at his word. I do.

The world doesn't spin so that your idea of propriety is met every moment you have the need. Do you even hear how entitled you are acting? of course not,...when YOU act insane, it's the norm.

Reading your post the word petty comes to mind, Mirror. Oh, and unwilling to accept facts as truth.

The world doesn't spin so that your idea of propriety is met every moment you have the need. Do you even hear how entitled you are acting? of course not

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

You're describing the attitude of you and your group to a "T"...amazing

Clare, you may not be interested in this, but I am pretty sure Mark Murray is-

" Every news organization has only its credibility and reputation to rely on"

So said Tony Burman, former editor in chief of CBS News.

I winder what he would think of a closed meeting between the managementnof a news organization and a small group of liberal bloggers on that station's site, the purpose of which seems to be how that group can further control the discussion?

Therenis, in fact, a Canon for journalists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

So, let's try this- maybe Mr. Murray could run this by NBC's ombudsman.

I'm pretty sure he has not done so- cause I'm pretty sure it's a no-no.

Making it public is the only acceptable solution.

Dangerfield,

Gotta ask why the felt they had to alert Mark that they had been hacked?

Ron Indiana (Jun 18, 10:40 PM): Second thought: We have talked a lot about goint to St.L. and that Mark would be joining us. I do not want to compromise his work. Perhaps he sould be told that we have been hacked?

John B, Des Moines, IA (Jun 18, 10:54 PM): I think I need to write about Clarence Thomas on Monday.

Русские класса языке. – Translated from the Russian to English: Those that have contact with Mark please contact him. We have been hacked!!

I'd echo what NDD and Clara have said...

Invite Mark to join you...heck Mark even mentioned meeting up in DC if anyone is in the area. (I warned him...I've got family up there and I might just take him up on that offer!!)

I've set up my group...First Read Moderate/Conservatives of South Florida. We've already extended an invite to Mark or Domenico should they be in the area. Sadly, I am the only member at this point. ;-)

Sorry, Frank, but as a member of the "club" you are having problems seeing the real issues.

This group coordinated "collapse a thons" on posts they did not like.

This group coordinated efforts- with the moderators- to have accounts deleted because they did not like the content of the posts.

This group coordinated efforts to have posts deleted by misusing the advertising flag.

This group is NOT subject to the Code of Honor- no matter what they post in flagrant violation thereof.

This group plans a private roundtable meeting with NBC management, the purpose of which is to strategize how to control this board.

halo3v

Dangerfield,

What a couple of idiots. How would you react if your private conversations were suddenly splashed all over the internet? How would you feel if you didn't know if you'd been hacked, or if a friend turned on you, or if you had mistakenly left a door open?

You guys have just exposed yourselves as the pathetic Swiftboaters you are.

Amy - let it go...

All they're doing is exposing themselves as mean petty people who think they are somehow relevent by spreading confidential information...

Like I mentioned earlier - leave it up to the reader to decide who committed the real crime here...

and this, my friends, is why you should stay off the paranoia pills.

Frank was never a member of Libs R Us

No Jo

If we coordinated closing accounts of people we didn't like, you wouldn't still be here, would you?

My God, you are dumb. There, I said it in public. Dumb as a doornail. Now, go ahead and collapse me if it makes you feel better.

Um, Thanks for the shout out, and more indication that I am at least in the top 10 in the roundtable!

There have been several folks posting your transcripts, so being singled out for your personal insults yet again is sort of an honor, but I think that calling someone an idiot is a violation of the COH, even if they are in the Prometheus Society...Then again, you're IMMUNE to that COH stuff right?

Anyway, thanks again for continuing to extend the special treatment you and your fellow group members have been so generous with.

As to being "EXPOSED"...got popcorn?

I might add, Frank, that having been PERSONALLY named as a subject of discussion at said roundtable, I have something of a vested interest in knowing how theynplan to "best deal with me"

The below was emailed to me

Ron Indiana (May 27, 6:31 AM): Feisty and Clara: Great news about Mark coming!! I am requesting a "Round Table" with Mark to discuss politics. I suspect we would all like some time with Mark and perhaps the most efficient way is some sort of round table discussion. Also in this manner we all can hear the same questions and same answers. For many, flagging is an issue: for me I would like to hear his thoughts on how to make a greater impact and how to best deal with the Bobs and NoJos.

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#20.5 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:58 PM EDT

I would venture to say that were you the subject, you might be the tiniest bit curious yourself.

Amy

"You guys have just exposed yourselves as the pathetic Swiftboaters you are."

Lol is that all you have got?? Funny when I FLAG YOU FOR ADVERTISING YOU DON'T GET INSTANT DELETED.

MUST BE NICE LIVING ABOVE THE RULES....

Frank, I'd be happy to your group.

Good one NJNB after all the stuff posted about you and your family, keep pushing. They should be held accountable for what is POSTED PUBLIC.

Sorry no joe, but I am NOT a member of that "club". I engage in civilized political dialogue with members of that "club" fairly often yes. I disagree with them on a lot of things politically. But that does NOT mean that I can't associate with them or have reasonable discussions with them. I have never been a member of the "Libs R Us" group. I saw the information that was posted, but chose to ignore most of it. The only information I even glanced at was in regards to Mark. And lo and behold the accusation that he was funding this get together proved baseless.

As for co-ordinated efforts to get posters banned, as I mentioned above, I chose to not read what was posted because it was done so with an expectation of privacy and I'm going to respect that. If what you allege did truly happen and people were banned for inappropriate reasons, then I agree that they should be reinstated and those responsible should face disciplinary action. If the advertising flag was used for non-advertising in an effort to get things deleted, then I agree that the people responsible should also face some sort of disciplinary action. This is a matter for the moderators to handle and I would hope they'd handle it appropriately.

On a side note...I hope that everything is going well with that little princess of yours. :-) Take care No Joe.

First of all, Amy, I do not say things ABOUT people that I would not say TO them. Makes life a lot simpler.

Secondly, I engage in no group activity to try to delete, (by using the advertising flag), or collapse for no better reason than disagreement, the posts of others. It's wrong. Smacks of censorship.

I am subject to the Code of Honor- both in reality and in my own mind, which is why I do not engage in the kind of name calling and personal belittlement that is a hallmark of many of your members. I have never sought to have anyone's account suspended, nor havemi sought to place myself above the rulesmof this board by organizing boycotts, or deluging management with emails.

I have neither sought, nor obtained, a personal meeting with the management of this station in order to "deal" with certain posters with whom I disagreed.

In the interest of full disclosure, I did flag many of Eric in Salinas' posts. They were homophobic, racist rants that were clear violations.

I am only thankful he was not one of your members. He would still be here, it seems.

newdayDAWNING10

Oh for Gods sake stop.

Persons like RVZ, 10 10, CU and others were targeted for deletion. Memos sent.

JSI, Spanky, Ben and NJNB had their comments deleted as did Now I'm Here, yesterday.

Fooled once, never twice.

I've set up my group...First Read Moderate/Conservatives of South Florida. We've already extended an invite to Mark or Domenico should they be in the area. Sadly, I am the only member at this point. ;-)

If your group meets at Mangos in South Beach I'm in.

So how do you respond to the idea that Feisty and Navy being collapsed almost daily. LIke I said Groucho, if you want me to leave, tell me.

By the way, Groucho: this site is self policing. Reregs are not allowed, and those you mentioned that were banned were reregs. That has nothing to do with us.

Right NDD, want me to list all the others also.

Nothing to to with you, right?

You want me to list the names of the persons who were in charge of emailing and contacting Sally and Tyler.

Want me to list the complaints by the group that say the accounts weren't deleted fast enough and you were going to talk to Mark in STL about it?

Give me a break, really?

Alan...that can most certainly be arranged!! LOL!!

I go to South Beach usually once or twice a month!

Alan/Frank - Mango's the real reason why Lebron took his talents to South Beach?

hey, dawg,

I think the word talents should be in quotes - the jury is still out,....

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Yay, Mavs!

YellowDog...

LOL!! Yeah...among other things!! :-)

Frank--as usual you're one of the most reasonable voices here. Thanks for consistently being a voice for sanity.

Well said, Pietro. It was just another in the long line of diversions Conservatives use to avoid talking about the important issues. They can't win on those issues and will do ANYTHING to avoid talking about what's really important.

Um, John? You might want to read below the toplines of polls to see WHO is losing the arguments on the issues you named.

It's pretty clear the public views Obama and the democrats as the problem, not the republicans.

Pietro,

Since you so graciously offered, I'd like the link. As I previously indicated, I'm an insomniac, and oftentimes I find reading to be a cure for the condition.

Pietro,

Since you so graciously offered, I'd like the link. As I previously indicated, I'm an insomniac, and oftentimes I find reading to be a cure for the condition.

Pietro,

Since you so graciously offered, I'd like the link. As I previously indicated, I'm an insomniac, and oftentimes I find reading to be a cure for the condition.

Link please...thank you

Link please...thank you

I see that many of you have NOT read my post carefully enough. This is what I posted about a link:

If you do not believe my post (and I hope you don‘t), then go read all 489 pages for yourself (you can ask I’m Here for the link since they has been so forthcoming about the chat materials) and make up your own mind. Whether you like it or not, the TRUTH is the LIGHT.

Gee Dangerfield, NOW you are asking for a link to read the posts??

So does that mean your 'poutrage' over this whole brouhaha is a smokescreen? You are upset about something BEFORE you have read the FULL transcript(s)?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Hey, Groucho says he has all of the transcripts. You can ask him for a link if I'm Here cannot.

So Livin In LA

They scrubbed it. Files have been saved and I'm sure it will continue to get reposted.

I assume it was scrubbed after Big Government and Drudge started calling on the story. I mean the "Deputy Political Director" of NBC News (all of it not just this site) meeting with liberal bloggers? To have a roundtable discssion on how to deal with posters like NoJo, Bob, Spanky and others??

That's a news story no?

Pete-

Thanks for the long apologia above...

Thanks for the shout out and appropriating the term "poutrage" from another of your group...

I have only seen the transcripts posted here pete, but they have been enough to pose questions that Mark Murray has been implored to answer.

Sorry that I and the person you are ignoring, Living in LA (isn't he a topic for the "roundtable"?) misunderstood what was thought to be your generous offer. I have asked Groucho to email the info to me and I will be happy to post it here for Living in LA and any other interested party.

Yes, exactly what you thought...

Thanks Pietro.

Spanky and nojo both claim to have it, try them. And nobody scrubbed it. I used the settings available to any administrator to make it invisible. Apparently some of how it was retrieved was based on cached pages. Happy conspiracy day, df. No surprise you'd go all in on your paranoia.

LIAR

Thanks for the shout out KC; Gee I'm such a popular kid today, and I'm not even an "insider"!

But paranoia would seem to be your address today, and Groucho has offered to email the whole kit and kaboodle to any interested party.

I must have been on that list a long, long, time based on today's shout outs...Hell, I'm even getting "credit" for things posted by other people...

But it's nice to know I'm in your thoughts...

Sorry that I and the person you are ignoring, Living in LA (isn't he a topic for the "roundtable"?) misunderstood what was thought to be your generous offer. I have asked Groucho to email the info to me and I will be happy to post it here for Living in LA and any other interested party.

Yes, exactly what you thought...

Yes, Dangerfield, it is. You have fun with your shiny new toy that nobody else cares about.

Yes, Dangerfield, it is. You have fun with your shiny new toy that nobody else cares about.

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Pete, did you read that loooong post by somebody called Pietro?

Based on word-count alone, I'm going out on a limb here to opine that YOU have more than a passing interest in this topic...:)

halo

I don't know who you are calling a liar. Everything I've stated is absolutely true. I am the administrator and owner of the Libs R Us site and I hid the content so that it can no longer be viewed. It isn't magic,...it's a setting.

We're interested in the business of news and politics, MB. A list of questions is being compiled to help us "civilians" understand it better. Seems like the natural thing for a bunch of news and politics junkies to do.

Get over it.

Thanks, John B.-

Would you be so kind as to post "the list for Mark" so that we can all judge for ourselves what the intent of the list is?

Good morning MB!

Note the long and winding posts stating, "nothing to see her, move along!" punctuated with phrases like "get over it" and it's easy to see who is who in this innocent and innocuous group of like-minded friends being unfairly maligned by their own words.

Thanks for asking thoughtful questions. I hope they are answered.

I too look forward to an entertaining, if not informative morning and afternoon.

Mixed Bag- I have posted this above, but will add it here-

In the interest of preserving at least the appearance of propriety, since there is already a plan for a Skype link for this roundtable, it should be set up here, live, so any and all who are interested can see and hear in real time what is discussed.

Oh- I, too, am interested in seeing the list. I believe that you, I, and JS1 are on the top of said list.

Oh- I, too, am interested in seeing the list. I believe that you, I, and JS1 are on the top of said list.

If you actually have all 485 pages like you claim - why don't you check out the part where we decisively stated that the workings of FR IS not a planned part of the discussion? HUH?

More selective poutrage... LMAO!

You ALL simply are NOT that significant - no matter how much you try to convince others...

I do believe Mark told ALL of you last night that he would be more than willing to sit down with conservatives, independents & alike if invited!

PS: I really hate to keep repeating this but all are leaving me NO choice. WHAT PART OF PRIVATE CAN'T YOU FATHOM?

njnb-

i don't get no respect...:(

My favorite Rodney Dangerfield Joke:

"My wife's cooking is so bad, the flies all chipped in and bought a screen door."

Sorry, dangerfield. I am sure you are on there too.

Along with Bill, Bob, bob, and others.

Speaking of whom, Bob, bob, JS1, Ira Levin, and a few others, are suspiciously absent.

Do you suppose they have been the targets of the merry band's efforts?

Poor Feisty

WHAT PART OF THE PAGE WAS PUBLISHED ON GOOGLE AND NOT PRIVATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?????????????????????????

actually, I am positive I griped about df personally. I couldn't even begin to tell you what page,...but there was love even for you, df. I wouldn't use the term 'respect', though. Pretty sure I didn't go 'there'.

Doesn't really matter if you complained about df Clara, I did.

Congratulations, folks, some of you have found out that some on the other side of the ideological divide don't like you and went to what was believed to be a private place in order to express our feelings in a way that was too strong for FR. You still haven't realized there are plenty of others JUST AS CONSERVATIVE who get respect and with whom we can have constructive conversations.

Try to work out why.

Groucho-

suspended? could have been banned...Contrition was never a possibility, and collusion continues unabated...

MB-

That's so earnest! You wide-eyed innocent you...:)

There you go again, dangerfield...

Lucious,

The collapsed comments and had accounts closed of people who disagreed with them.

Does that sound like a nice benign private club?

Read the WHOLE story.

Groucho, I've seen collapsed comments on both sides of a discussion. Dont get me wrong I am not partision on this subject, just trying to be adult about it.

We're talking about DELETED posts, Lucious...not collapsed posts.

...just trying to be adult about it.

Which "it" would that be?

the wit and wisdom of Feisty Redhead ;

What's the matter NJNB - hubby out of town AGAIN? I would be more worried about WHAT was UPwith that then spreading you your HATRED every chance you get?
Do YOU think the hubby wants to get it on with a BITTER OLD BROAD that couldn't day something NICE if they had a GUN to their head?

Notice to NJNB - there were MORE people defending my comments then those that came to your rescue!
That little princess of yours has my deepest sympathies with a HATE riddled Grama like yourself!

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Hard to be the adult when you're in junior high...

Are you non-partisan about personal attacks on someone's home and family?

df,

seriously? that was posted in PUBLIC. the incessant whining about it is OLD news. Get your OWN material. Perhaps you can scroll through nojo's public history and find some material? Or do you just like repeating the outrage of others?

KCMO-

That was posted in PUBLIC

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That's the utter disgrace of it, yes...

And according to the COH the person who posted it should have been suspended. Were they? Why not?

Does the COH only apply to non-members?

Please explain, in between insults if you must, but please explain.

Because I know I won't be here;

Clara KCMO (Jun 19, 10:39 AM): I set up a NEW group, I will start inviting the 'insiders'. I don't know what to do or say about the whole thing. It is beyond disturbing from a mere violation standpoint. UGH! We can chat more about it in a couple of weeks.

Yes, but apparently she slipped one past the goalie. Get over it. I mean it's as scandalous as a US Senator paying for sex, getting caught and then WTF? he keeps his job? I thought prostitution was illegal?

Probably not EXACTLY like that; but I think you get my point. Not every infraction gets seen. And a whole week later feels more like gaming the refs then a sincere attempt to honor the CODE.

But that's just how I see it here from the 'cheap' seats.

the comments that I believe were deleted had PRIVATE (and at the time believed to be hacked) conversations in them.

AND the poster had been previously banned. The deletions are a function of the system in place and people who have been BANNED from the site getting BANNED again.

this isn't nearly as complex or nefarious as you'd like to believe.

Your perspective comes from one who's part of the group, Clara.

Trust me...

It looks completely different to an outsider.

Completely.

Well, MB, I've given you EVERY possible trade secret I have about how the system works (and a pretty nice inside view when it DOESN'T work as we thought). You can take it for what it is. Or you can continue with the suspicions. Everything I've stated can be tested, which would be quicker than reading 489 pages of private conversations about pets, children, books and maybe some titillating gossip. If you want to choose to believe falsehoods instead of independently verifying what I've said, that is certainly your perogative. But you have to know it seems pretty petty.

And given your genuine outrage - at least I think you have SOME idea of how we felt last Friday night, right? Newsvine has NEVER contacted us to answer our questions of how this occurred. I was finally able to figure it out last night. I have owned my baggage; but I see so many others would still like this to be about OTHER, unrelated topics. Choosing to remain uninformed on ANY topic is STILL a choice.

I'm not sure that there is anything more to say; but if you come up with anything, I'll continue to respond on this thread only. Once it's over,...for me it will forever be over. I am pretty sure for some,...it will NEVER be over.

Lol, Clara-

It would appear that you don't understand me any better than you believe that I understand you.

I'm not outraged.

If you have read and understood the comments I've posted at First Read over many months, you know that I'm quite familiar with MSNBC's weekday programming from 5:00 PM through 10:00PM ET. The editorial content of the shows hosted by Chris Matthews, Cenk Uygur, Larry O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow, and Ed Schultz is what it is.

First Read is operated by NBC News; NBC News owns MSNBC which owns Newsvine which moderates the comments posted by bloggers here at First Read.

So...I'm not outraged. To be outraged about the activities of your private group, I would first have to be surprised, Clara.

Am I surprised that a group of liberal/progressive bloggers have, at times, managed to use Newsvine to delete the comments of and/or close the accounts of conservative bloggers or bloggers of any political persuasion who are disillusioned or disaffected with regard to President Obama and the policies of his Administration?

No.

Am I surprised that this same private group of liberal/progressive bloggers appears to operate under a different, special set of rules where the Newsvine Code Of Honor is concerned?

No.

Outraged...?

Surprised...?

Hardly, Clara.

As I've said, MSNBC is what it is...as are First Read and Newsvine.

When Mark Murray says he would like First Read to be a place where bloggers holding views that encompass the entire political spectrum feel welcome and at home, his comment is belied by his obvious reluctance to have any active role in ensuring that First Read actually is or becomes such a site.

None of that prevents us from all having at little fun with the details of the activities of your group though, does it, Clara?

And, oh my...it's been a hoot!

As someone else here said...it's been a great week!

The way I see it, the handicap faced by conservatives (or those who don't simply march in lockstep behind the policies of the Obama Administration) at First Read only makes us stronger. (Thanks, Mr. Nietzsche.)

And Clara, you're correct...it will never really be over.

Because now, everyone will always know.

Everytime they read a comment from a member of the group, they'll remember.

It's all good.

MB

You, like halo, have decided to apply selective principles to this situation. The only posts we coordinated for removal were the TRANSCRIPTS of our, thought to be hacked and thought to be PRIVATE, conversations. If you BELIEVE that someone is stealing your wallet, do you chase after them? Or do you wait and file a police report?

The only influence WE had at removing anyone was reporting them as a re-registration of a banned poster. This behavior is certainly IN BOUNDS and actually honors the code.

You haven't changed your opinion, MB. You've merely reinforced it and with gutter tactics that you feign indignation over. You think you've figured EVERYTHING out about us? Well, we've also figured out everything we need to know about you. And it is equally distasteful, I assure you. Happy reading, MB.

Ironic that you were one of the ones claiming that WE should get a life and mocking our 489 pages of conversation. Aapparently the DEPTH of YOUR life is a voyeur to ours. How pathetic does that make you?

Really, Clara?

When, exactly, did members of your group begin flagging opinion posts that you didn't like as advertising (thus making them subject to deletion)? Why shouldn't any fair-minded person regard such a practice as an abuse of the intent of the Newsvine rule prohibiting advertising posts at First Read?

Did you ever do that, or was it others only? (Like Amy, for example, who says that she did.)

By the way...I haven't downloaded any of the 489 pages of conversation.

That would be ridiculously redundant, and possibly even voyeuristic, as you've suggested.

In any event, there's no need to, is there?

Why wade through all of that when really, any interest I have in the discussions contained there is very, very narrow in scope?

And anyway...

You'll answer my questions, won't you?

Again, Clara.

Everyone knows.

They'll always know.

Always.

OMG, seriously?

There is simply nothing more priceless than the Selective Ethics crowd. Let me put this in simple terms that even you and df can understand (I am now convinced nojo will NEVER understand anything but her own spite):

First Read is like a neighborhood. I went and left my bicycle in the driveway. halo came along and took it (no doubt using an alias or his own band of buddies). Then he basically 'loaned it' to nojo, dangerfield, groucho, MB - and anyone else who happened to come along and want to take it for a ride. As you all rode MY bicycle back and forth in front of my house you all yelled taunts to me about how stupid I was for leaving my bicycle out. Sadly, in the bicycle basket was my journal. You all decided to photocopy that and distribute it, too. All the while mocking ME for leaving it out. At no point do you all feel ANY shame or remorse. Further, your inability to READ for comprehension has led you all to make scurrilous and false accusations against the Neighborhood Association and it's officers. And you now want to nitpick about a Code of Honor? While you display none? I have explained that we used the tools available when we thought we had been HACKED. Every iteration of that conversation that has been 'published' is clearly date stamped Friday, June 17th. Apparently in your Crystal Pure homes,...there is never a reason to fire a shotgun during an invasion?

I find it more than a little disingenous that you all keep DEMANDING that Feisty get banned for violating a Code of Honor when you all have blatantly exhibited a complete LACK of honor and integrity in your own handling of this situation. Phony Outrage is your trademark.

Priceless,...just priceless.

Clara-

I cleared away all the irrelevant chatter, distractions, and shiny objects (bicycles...really?) in your post, and separated wheat from chaff, and may have stumbled onto an answer to my question, which was: Did you or anyone in your group flag opinion comments as advertising?

A simple, direct question, Clara.

"...we used the tools available..."

Translation: The end justifies the means, right? Any port in a storm?

The Newsvine User Agreement says that "Prohibited Conduct" includes "inappropriate usage of the Site's abuse reporting features".

No use of the "tools available" prior to realizing that, by your own doing (you've acknowledged as much, haven't you, Clara?), your conversations were occurring in a forum accessable to anyone?

This is reminiscent of the "Journolist" fiasco. Except, they might actually have BEEN hacked...you were not.

And read my posts, Clara...no one has "loaned" me anything.

I don't need anyone to do that, do I?

You'll answer any questions I have about the group, won't you?

YES, MB, on Friday, June 17th - when we thought we'd been HACKED we intentionally flagged posts as advertising to remove what we believed to be our stolen data.

Once we understood that it was our OWN error,...we stopped the flagging. However, the info being shared was shared by a formerly BANNED poster. Who then managed to get himself BANNED again.

MB, I explained this in my first post and you've continued to 'play' dumb about what was stated. And funnily enough, you are now acting like you've been on the high road all along. You are every bit as much the comedian as df and groucho. Don't sell yourself short.

Clara-

Thanks for acknowledging that you and the group inappropriately deleted posts (Prohibited Conduct under the terms of the Newsvine User Agreement) after realizing that you hadn't been hacked, and that your conversations were, indeed, part of a public forum. Just to be clear...are you also declaring that, to your knowledge, no member of the group ever inappropriately flagged opinion posts as advertising before that?

And;

Ron, Indiana has stated that while in St Louis, he intended to ask Mark Murray how "to best deal with" certain conservative bloggers who post at First Read.

What do you think he meant when he posted that? (I've actually asked Ron that question, but to date, for some inexplicable reason, he hasn't responded...so, I thought I'd get your view.)

What do you believe he meant?

Do think it's appropriate for a member of the group to ask the Deputy Political Director of NBC News how "to best deal with" specific conservative bloggers in the comments section of a website run by NBC News?

Why would anyone have reason to believe that Mr Murray could or would assist Ron in his desire to "deal with" bloggers that he and the group doesn't like?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on that, Clara.

MB

You do like to fabricate the truth, don't you? We didn't realize it wasn't a hack until Thursday Night. But carry on. You intend to twist this to suit your narrative. I am done explaining myself.

I do not speak for Ron. He has his own voice.

I am now officially OVER the topic. I've pretty much decided you and nojo are like peas in a pod. It's Sunday, it's festered longer then it's shelf life and you clearly are choosing to pick at hairs.

Groucho, every newbie here has been subjected to some form of the "navy" diatribe if they called for civil discourse, or held opinions other than the ones espoused by the group.

Often times one is accused of the very things being perpetrated by their accusers...It's a classic tactic...

Dangerfield,

It was in the transcript.

Just wanted them all to know that I read it cover to cover.

Oh, Feisty, you want me to post it all? It was on the internet, available to everyone.

Please, ask me again to do it.

Be glad to.

To be sure, I will keep on Sally and Tyler and Newsvine for a resolution.

Can't wait for their responses as to the COH violations.

Also glad to see that tactic you love to pull.

First, One of you posts.

Second, Another seconds the motion

Third, Another congratulates the top 2 for the great post.

Nice job.

Also love the members of the club either making believe what was described of their actions didn't happen and their outrage that their privacy was intruded upon.

Your privacy controls were set incorrectly, not hacked. Read Navy's and others comments. Your were right to say that this was not a good thing and come back to haunt you. It has, and all the feeble explanations and phony outrage mean nothing.

It was in the transcript? Really?

You're not kidding?

While I won't ask you to post the link publicly, would you please forward it to me?

and at the risk of being accused of parody...

Great post!

Dangerfield and others:

Just was at the site and was going to send you the link. Unless I'm terribly wrong, they've deleted the whole file. You get an error message.

This was the link.

http://libsrus.newsvine.com/?more=Talk&pc=25&sp=12175#banter_nav

That's why Feisty and Pietro, Columbus, Ohio are so confident that I cant post the link.

What they've missed in their attempt cover this up is the fact that I saved the entire file to my computer.

If I can't post the entire file as a single document, I will somehow try to get it posted here, page by page by page if necessary.

They can collapse or delete the posts if they want but I'll keep posting.

Better yet, I will set up a new email address today on hotmail and will send the file to anyone who wants it.

Fair enough?

Groucho-

Works for me...

And WE'RE supposed to be the comedians...:)

Some contact info if you have any questions:

Newsvine Moderator Tyler: http://tyler.newsvine.com/_more/users/contact

Newsvine Moderator Sally: http://sally.newsvine.com/_more/users/contact

At top of Comments enter-> Attn. Mark Murray @ First Read

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339

Subject: Daily Rundown

Name, email, Enter comments, Submit.

At top of Comments enter-> Attn. Chuck Todd @ First Read

Thanks, Groucho. I will be sending a request, as well.

I seem to be quitema topic of conversation for them.

My mother always told me never to say anything behind a person's back that I would not say to his or her face.

Seems some overgrown fifth graders on here could have used that lesson, too.

Oh PLEASE, nojo

We've said it to your face. Plenty. And yesterday you said you already had the file. Lying then? or now? Doesn't matter, it remains that you LIE. incessantly. pathologically, really.

Sad. If of the 489 pages you are mentioned a dozen times, I'd be surprised.

Mentioned a lot more than a dozen times. So was Bob and Spanky.

The mob is outed, duh, won't be so easy anymore. People see right through this nonsense that goes on with your lil group, the moderators and Mark. Who was it in the group who is sis-in-law to Chuck?

Oh I know, but I won't say it. Unlike you and your ilk I don't make personal attacks. Like you have done to NoJo, bob, groucho, spanky and others (mb)

I bet Jon Stewart could have a lot of fun with this. And it only goes to prove the LIBERAL BIAS IS ALIVE AND WELL.

Otherwise Mssr Murray wouldn't be having a "round table" with liberal bloggers with ZERO journalistic training or degrees. It would be considered a waste of time. Unless of course, you are trying to INFLUENCE VOTERS ON THE EVE OF AN ELECTION.

What they've missed in their attempt cover this up is the fact that I saved the entire file to my computer.

Well, I guess it is official. If you want to see the 489 pages of Libs R Us chatter, then you can contact Groucho Marx since safecracker, er, I mean 'I'm here' has been banned.

Groucho - knock yourself out.

Have fun.

If you check the IP tags "safecracker" and "i'm here" are not even in the same state.

Nice try no sale.

Clara, allow me to cliffy-

Pages of documents were emailed to me- those that pertained to me.

A link to the rest was also emailed.

Got it? Not the whole 500 or so pages, just those that had my name mentioned.

I cannot a peak for Spanky, but I wonder if he got this the same way.

no joe, no bo, nj..

I just emailed you the entire 489 page document.

Please follow the instructions for opening.

Very, very difficult to send.

Please pass it along to whomever wants it.

Thanks.

no joe, no bo, nj..

Did you get the document?

Hey groucho,

can I get a copy too? seriously?

dangerfield,

Sent you the document as requested.

Follow the instructions to open the zip file.

Please confirm receipt.

no joe, no bo, nj.. Please confirm receipt also.

To everyone else who wants a copy, you can now get it from no joe, no bo, nj.. and dangerfield.

Thanks.

can I get a copy too? seriously?

No COPY for YOU Clara! LMAO

Maybe NJNB will be a sweetie & share! NOT!

Groucho-

Thank you for the email...

Got the file but only can only access page 467.

Has anyone heard from Mark Murray? "...it will be nice to hear his ideas and thoughts about the site..."

Has anyone been contacted by the news media?

Maybe you should just post the whole thing here....

Feisty (or anyone):

Did you see the movie The Informant w/ Matt Damon? This whole thread has me literally LAUGHING OUT LOUD.

Picture Groucho as Matt Damon's character (which is flattery in and of itself, I am sure!)

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL..and Clara KCMO

Love your reaction Clara. That's why I declined.

Ask Feisty to relay what went on.....she's on all 489 pages and can recite the proceedings from heart.

Please help Clara Feisty.

Groucho-

Sorry, I was out for a couple of hours. Yes,I got the document. Not being particularly tech savvy, I have to wait for my IT department, (in the person of my son), to arrive tomorrow. He'll download and save.

After that, if someone wants to get me through my news vine page, I will be happy to send it on.

Thanks a lot!

halo

I was the editor of my high school paper some 27 years ago,...so I wouldn't say I have NO journalistic cred.

df, please don't every lose your sense of humor. It's what makes you tolerable. Dare I say, enjoyable at times.

It is always surprisng to me, Metal Guitarist, that we haven't come further as a nation in being comfortable with different religious beliefs and in accepting the separation of church and state.

At the Republican debate in NH, some of them wanted "loyalty oaths" for any Muslim who would serve in government.

I'm for circumventing the whole damn thing and just ridding the nation of the whole lot of 'em. Religions serve no purpose, other than to point fingers and spread fear.

The less religion in politics the better we off we ALL are. Even the founders couldn't come to a consensus on religion (thus our "creator" not god) But did have a consensus on not wanting the government to be run by religion. That said, religion should not prohibit anyone from seeking office. (unless of course it's a religion that involves human sacrifices, that's a lil scary)

Wow--is there some true discussion of issues here? AMAZING!

Thanks, Kirk, that is very fair of you to say.

My defense of Feisty and Navy is only to say if you are ever REALLY bored (I'm talking insomnia bored), you should go back a few months. I haven't personally reviewed this; but mid last September comes to mind. They put themselves out there and are attacked and collapsed so frequently that I am sure they have become much more reactionary. I know I get exhausted watching the beat downs.

Luckily, you must have caught me on a better day. Have a good weekend. Thanks, again.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, little always. Read the history of the entire debt ceiling process and then come back here and deny that it is a common practice PARTICULARLY when the repugnicans are in power. I'll wait here to see it.

Your beloved repugnicans spend spend spend until they are voted out and then blame the dems for all woes.

You just keep believing those lovely repugs, it is what you do best.

Keep in mind that MSNBC is a cable news network with a clear Liberal slant based on their prime time/access lineup.

I still believe that the NBC Network News is by far the best news gathering/reporting entity out of the three network news outlets (NBC, ABC, and CBS).