2012: Hawks and doves

“Both former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney had more hawkish reactions to Obama's speech,” The Hill writes. “Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, a Republican running for president who served as Obama's ambassador to China, by contrast chided Obama for moving too slowly, joining with the likes of Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), the libertarian-minded presidential candidate who's long called for the withdrawal of U.S. troops.”

Romney’s position, in particular, on the war is muddled, especially after saying at a debate last week that the United States shouldn’t be fighting wars of “independence.”

The New York Times: “As the nation has grown weary over the cost and toll of war, fault lines have emerged among Republicans, with the longstanding isolationist strain regaining its footing after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and the adventurism of the George W. Bush era.”

CAIN: Herman Cain said Obama offered “foggy foreign policy” in his rebuke of both isolationists and hawks, though he did end his statement on a praiseworthy note: saying the president was “correct” in calling for nation-building at home and for the Afghan people to take more responsibility for their country.

GINGRICH: Issuing a statement almost three hours after the president’s address, Gingrich connected the war in Afghanistan to other conflicts in the Arab world, specifically Libya, and criticized Obama for not linking Afghanistan to “a larger strategy for winning the war against radical Islamists.”

Gingrich spoke at the Atlanta Press Club yesterday where he said his campaign staff quit en masse because he is “very different” from mainstream politicians, Reuters writes. “‘Philosophically, I am very different from normal politicians, and normal consultants found that very hard to deal with,” Gingrich said.

HUNTSMAN: “Republican White House hopeful Jon Huntsman has found a way to explain his embrace of cap-and-trade when he was governor of Utah: Everyone was doing it,” The Hill writes. Huntsman said on FOX: “Every governor was talking about dealing with emissions back many, many years ago only to find that with the economic implosion, we can't afford anything that is going to put any kind of hamper on economic growth. So cap-and-trade is not something that is viable today. Everybody talked about it. At least a lot of people did, consulting with CEOs, consulting with all the experts. Everyone took it seriously.”

Huntsman put out a statement on the president’s speech before it happened, calling for an even wider troop pullout than Obama proposed. “Now it is time we move to a focused counter-terror effort which requires significantly fewer boots on the ground than the President discussed tonight.”

While he does not plan on participating in the Ames Straw poll, Jon Huntsman told Politico that he would attend the Fox News-sponsored debate in Iowa in August. He met with potential Republican donors in South Carolina last night, CNN reports. And he will open his campaign headquarters in Florida today, cutting a ceremonial ribbon for his Orlando offices after meeting with business leaders in Miami, the AP writes.

The conservative anti-tax group Club for Growth went after Huntsman yesterday, releasing a “presidential white paper” that praised his tax policies but criticized his record on spending and having once considered an individual mandate for health-care coverage, the Washington Post writes.

PAWLENTY: Pawlenty was at the hawkish end of the candidates’ spectrum of responses, criticizing the president’s statement that the United States needs to end the war “responsibly.” Appearing on Fox News’ O’Reilly Factor, Pawlenty said, “When America goes to war, America needs to win.”

A handful of Pawlenty’s top advisers have been working for little or no pay for several months, the Washington Post reports. While some on the staff are temporarily forgoing a bigger salary, Pawlenty aides insist that other consultants signed up with the understanding that they were working pro bono for the long term. “We’re raising exactly what we said we were going to raise. We’re paying our consultants exactly what they expected to be paid right now,” an aide said.

PERRY: Joshua Green writes, “It’s a measure of how unenthusiastic Republicans are about their presidential choices that Texas Governor Rick Perry has become their latest infatuation. … Politicians love getting the Perry treatment, and there’s a good chance that Perry won’t be the last one to get it. … Call it the ‘Heck, why not?’ primary.”

ROMNEY: Mitt Romney “is somewhere in the middle” in terms of the hawkishness of reactions to the Afghanistan announcement, the New York Times writes. “In a statement, Mr. Romney said that ‘we all want our troops to come home as soon as possible,’ but he stopped short of praising Mr. Obama’s speech.”

A new Bloomberg Poll shows Romney with a 59% favorable rating among Republicans.

SANTORUM: Santorum criticized Romney and Huntsman for having “holes in their record” that prevent them from performing well in the Iowa caucus, The Hill writes.

Discuss this post

"Neo-doves," you mean.

Before President Obama was elected, right-wingers never met a war they didn't like.

Except maybe for Bosnia.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:11 AM EDT

The GOP/TP only likes wars they start. Their like Cheney/Bush they like to start a war, then run and hide in an undisclosed location. I've noticed the ones that have to tell you and act like their tough are usually the biggest cowards.

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#1.1 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:20 AM EDT

Served in Vietnam, I just don't have to brag about it.

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#1.3 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:45 AM EDT

Hey, you just called every GOPer who served and died cowards, who ran and hid.

You want to address the other parts of my post about the wars started by Democrats. Seems like 58,000 guys in the Kennedy/Johnson Viet Nam war.

You miss that or was it easier to ignore.

I'm not bragging cause that's not in me but you call all those good men that died cowards again and I will call you out again. Way too many kids are dead in the service of their country and you want to blame it on a specific party?

Beyond clueles.

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#1.4 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:54 AM EDT

groucho - well delivered!

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#1.5 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:10 AM EDT

Here we go again:

  • House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-OH - did not serve.
  • Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
  • Senate Republican Conference Chairman Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve.
  • Senate Republican Conference Vice Chair John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve.
  • National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Ensign, R-NV - did not serve.
  • Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) - website http://www.house.gov/graham/Biography/biography.htm">used to claim service as a "Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm veteran." A current biographical website makes no such claim. In reality, was a National Guard lawyer who never left South Carolina during the Gulf War.
  • Senator Joe Lieberman - did not serve.
  • Paul Gigot, (Wall Street Journal) did not serve.
  • Bill Kristol, did not serve
  • Sean Hannity, did not serve.
  • Bill Bennett, Did not serve
  • Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve
  • Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney - did not serve in the military but did serve the Mormon Church on a 30-month mission to France

    http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html

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    #1.6 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:39 AM EDT

    Amy B. Portland, ME,

    Amy, I don't care who served and didn't serve, that's not what that post was about. Read it before you post this dribble of which republicans served or didn't.

    Mo suggested all wars were started by Republicans who then ran and hid. Clearly, you agree with that with your post. It's obviously not true and an insult to the tens of thousands of Americans who died in the service of their country. You guess any of them were republicans? Want to post their names?

    Yeah, all Republicans are liars and cowards and conservative wingers and T-Baggers and every other name you call them to deflect the truth.Stupid talking points and you should know better.

    Stop with the canned talking points and answer the question. Are all Republicans liars and cowards who never served their country honorably?

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    #1.7 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:00 AM EDT

    "Biggest cheerleaders are miles away from the front."

    Hey, GWB- hear that? Dick?? You all got a detractor out here!!

      #1.8 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:09 AM EDT

      Groucho Marx

      No, you stop being a knee-jerk instigator. Mo stated his observation that some of the most gung-ho hawks did not serve in the military, not that all Republicans are chickenhawks. When you attacked him, he calmly informed you he himself is a Vietnam Vet. That should have been the end of questioning his right to post his opinion, but, no, you had to go after him again....

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      #1.9 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT

      " Are all Republicans liars and cowards who never served their country honorably?"

      Of course not, Groucho. Just like ALL Democrats are not Godless communists. I for one, get your point, but isn't it sad that we all have to listen to this kind of thing on a daily basis?

      • 1 vote
      #1.10 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:13 AM EDT

      drive-by-observer and Amy B. Portland, ME

      Then stop saying "they like to start a war, then run and hide in an undisclosed location. I've noticed the ones that have to tell you and act like their tough are usually the biggest cowards."

      You supported that statement.

      I, having spent most of my adult life in the military, find that statement so sickening and outrageous it has no defense.

      I didn't call anyone a communist or any other name.

      I merely pointed out the absurdity of the comment.

      If you don't understand how outrageous and disrespectful it is, then there is no hope.

      Oh, please do post the names of the cowardly republican soldiers who died in the service of their country.

      ...and please don't tell me when to post and not to post and when the end of the conversation is supposed to be. That my friend is truly non of your business.

      Moving on..

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      #1.11 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:29 AM EDT

      Groucho, you completely twisted what Mo said in his post deriding chickenhawk Republican politicians (of which I supplied you with a partial list.)

      "Hey, you just called every GOPer who served and died cowards, who ran and hid."

      He did NOT call every GOP a coward.

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      #1.12 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:02 PM EDT
      Reply

      "Neo-doves," Perfect! I wish I'd thought of that.

      I read through this whole story and all I could think to respond with was:

      hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

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      Reply#2 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:21 AM EDT

      Indeed. Especially ...

      Issuing a statement almost three hours after the president’s address, Gingrich connected the war in Afghanistan to other conflicts in the Arab world, specifically Libya, and criticized Obama for not linking Afghanistan to “a larger strategy for winning the war against radical Islamists.”

      THIS criticism being leveled by chickenhawk Newt Gingrich at the guy who actually GOT Osama bin Laden.

      • 2 votes
      #2.1 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:23 AM EDT

      Newt Gingrich, the GOP's resident intellectual. It all brings back the neo-con arguments for invading Iraq as well as Afghanistan, doesn't it?

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      #2.2 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:10 AM EDT

      Why anna, you really don't think newt has a chance at the nomination do you?

      Not that I will miss the demise of bin laden, but really, call it like it was. An invasion of an allies sovereign nation, leading to an assassination sanctioned by the US potus. If one of our choppers hadn't been left behind, I think the headlines would have read "Mysterious home invasion leaves osama bin laden kidnapped and ..."

        #2.3 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT
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        Anyone here surprised that Weathervane Willard changed his position on Afghanistan again? Does this guy truly stand for anything?

          Reply#3 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT
          alexandr91Deleted

          Why no mention of Ron Paul's take on the matter? That is spin!

            Reply#5 - Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
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