From msnbc.com's Tom Curry
In its mid-year long-term budget forecast, the Congressional Budget Office on Wednesday renewed its previous warnings that the government faces an increasing risk of a fiscal crisis due its ever-greater borrowing.
The report comes as Vice President Joe Biden and congressional budget negotiators try to reach an accord that would cut spending enough for Republicans to agree to an increase in the government’s borrowing limit.
August 2 is the date on which the Treasury Department says it will exhaust its means of managing cash to avoid hitting the current debt limit.
As it did in a report last January, the CBO said publicly held debt as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) would reach nearly 70 percent during the current fiscal year which ends on Sept. 30.
The CBO – in its “alternative fiscal scenario” -- predicted that if Congress does not raise taxes to their 2000 level and fails to impose Medicare spending cuts mandated by a 1997 law, by 2035 federal spending would account for more than a third of GDP, up from 24 percent of GDP this year.
Under that same scenario, by 2020 publicly held debt would reach nearly 90 percent of GDP.
CBO director Douglas Elmendorf said many budget analysts think the alternative fiscal scenario “is a more realistic picture of the nation’s underlying fiscal policies” than the “baseline” scenario which by law CBO must use to forecast spending and revenue.
The baseline, for example, assumes that current income tax rates will revert to their 2000 level at the end of 2012.
In Wednesday’s report, the CBO repeated earlier warnings about the risk of a sovereign debt crisis.
A rising level of debt, combined with an excess of spending over revenue “would increase the probability of a fiscal crisis for the United States,” the nonpartisan agency said, repeating a warning it made last July.
“In such a crisis, investors become unwilling to finance all of a government’s borrowing needs unless they are compensated with very high interest rates,” the CBO said, adding that “there is no way to predict with any confidence whether and when such a crisis might occur in the United States.”
But it said, “All else being equal, however, the larger the debt, the greater the risk of such a crisis.”
In his introduction to the report, Elmendorf identified health care costs and demographics as primary causes of the fiscal dilemma.
“Under current law, an aging population and rapidly rising health care costs will sharply increase federal spending for health care programs and Social Security,” he said. “If revenues remained at their historical average share of gross domestic product (GDP), such spending growth would cause federal debt to grow to unsustainable levels.”


We'll have to vote to extend borrowing, hate to say it but it's aforegone conclusion. Unfortunately we don't have a say in the vote. Our elected politicians are the only ones, and remember folks we voted them in.
Solutions - raise tax level on those earning over $250K per year back to what it was in year 2000, reform an aspect of Social Security (either reduce benefiets or raise retirement age by a year - maybe each state can pick their own preference), get the hell out of Afghanistan which will save $2 Billion per week - yes that is fact $2 Billion per week is being spent in Afghanistan!. Get anyone we have left in Iraq the hell out of there too for more savings. Close all tax loop holes for corporations - i don't have loop hole, nor should anyone else.
Funny that the Right-wingers on this post failed to mention that the CBO also has recommended returning income taxes to the 2000 rates. When the 400 wealthiest individuals have more than the bottom 50% off wage earners in this country, the argument doesn't hold water that if we raise their income taxes by 3% that they won't invest and it will hurt the economy. For these people, there never was a recession mindset, so it's just business as usual. Also, restoring the tax rates ironically helps wealthy individuals, because as the economy recovers middle class people increase spending and the banks raise interest rates, etc.
Higgy, funny that your liberal nut job president fails to take the recommendations of the CBO!
Mark, all the labels are so stupid if you think about it - regarding the environment wouldn't a 'conservative' by definition support the conservation of our natural resources rather than drilling up the ocean floor? Do you think we have the best military in the world and it should not be radically changed in anyway? I do, and guess what? Our military is run by the federal government, so when it comes to national defense i am a 'socialist' by definition and so is anyone else who shares my pride in our military.
Wow...Mark you are one misinformed individual. President Obama and the Dems tried to restore the 2000 tax rates but the GOP refused once again to do the sane and logical thing, so a deal had to be reached to extend the current tax rates until 2012. President Obama has said that he will not extend the current tax rates for the rich again if he has the political capital, so we'll see how things play out in 2012. Hopefully, your 'nutjob' GOP congress doesn't choose the Top 3% over the rest of us hard-working Americans again.
EASY TO FIX ALL OUR PROBLEMS:
1. Tax the rich like the countries with the HIGHEST standard of living in the world..
2. Tax corporate America- BIG TIME
3.TAX THESE CHURCHES THAT OWN BILLIONS IN REAL ESTATE!
FIXED!!!
Bless this oligarchy!
CONSCUM
You scum bag! What happens when the money runs out...you are an idiot...MOVE FROM THIS COUNTRY...I WILL PAY THE AIRFARE....
If you use true GAP (general accounting principles) the true debt is 148% of debt to GDP. This is according to a Wall Street Investment company CEO who acknowledges the corruption in the government's accounting practices that would put anyone in the commercial sector in jail. An untold story and national indictment of the political elite that continue to betray the country in their deliberations.
He also notes that Greece is at 121% debt to GDP. It is also interesting to note that it was suggested Greece lied in its application to the EU on its national financial balance sheet. Sound familiar???
Why isn't this being told by the media???
sam, yes the accounting rules are different but it isn't quite exactly how you put it. Some of the differences make the situation look better, and some of the differences make the situation look worse.
An example of the other side, the government writes off capital expenditures in a single year, where as a company can do it over a number of years. That makes the books look better in years of restraint and worse in years of high expenses.
Things like the UI fund, an insurance company would book things completely different as well. In government accounting, it is handled on a cash accounting basis, and if it was an insurance company, things would be on an accrual basis (being spread out over many years).
As far as greece was concerned, yes they lied by using wall street advisors to move debts off the books into derivatives and treat the debts as assets rather than liabilities. But the euro group of countries knew exactly what was going on. It wasn't a secret, so it was an open lie. This by the way was reported by the media, it is just boring copy so the story doesn't really stick and has nothing to do with what is needed to get out of the hole that it is in.
I see a lot of people are confusing the government with Wall Street. Wall Street has purchased our government - mostly the Republicans because they love the system and are in agreement with Wall Streets values - but they own both parties - yes even the tea party Republicans - the system has been set up so that candidates can't get elected without Wall Street.
Wall Street is never satisfied, they want your Medicare dollars, Social Security dollars, your 401K until there is nothing left - it is all consuming. They are counting on the stupidity of Americans to keep choosing R's of D's to bicker against each other and name call while they steal the rug out from underneath you but until we wake up - if we ever do - we will be responsible for our own demise.
conscum...you are full of it...
WAKE UP MAN!!!!! It is the govt and big fat entitlements that is BANKRUPTING this country...
Apparently, you do not have a clue about business...USA has the highest tax rate in the world on businesses...it is not a revenue problem it is a spending problem..
NUTS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO RUIN THIS COUNTRY FOR FOLKS LIKE ME...!!!!!!
Hell, the dems don't even have a budget but they shot down Ryan's plan!
Also, Obama has consistently rejected the CBO's recommendation...
Please, please, please tell me you are not voting for him next year...!
I am not voting for that POS, and encourage anybody and everybody I know, NOT to do so! Thank God, I am also seeing an huge upsurge in people like yourself, MarkWS, that have had it with this lunatic who sends his wife and a huge entourage of relatives off to South Africa at a cost of millions to the taxpayers, while hardworking Americans are finding it difficult to put fuel in their vehicles to get to work! Yes, he can, so he DOES spend our money! Anybody will be an improvement on this POS!
The fiscal crisis is self inflicted. Raise taxes and pay the bills. Not to difficult to solve.
Raise the taxes and companies move overseas...and jobs are lost...real smart man of no-knowledge!!!You nut jobs never cease to amaze me!
@ Man of Knowledge - show me the math and if it's sustainable I'll back you all the way.
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BTW I've seen the math and it isn't sustainable. You would not be able to find a tax level high enough to pay the bills year after year.
Since 1950 GDP has grown steadily from about $200 billion to a little over $14 trillion.
From 1950 to 1963 the top marginal tax rate was 91%. From 1963 to 1981 it was around 70%. From 1981 to 1986 it was around 50%. In 1986 it was lowered to 38.5%. It is currently about 35%.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_gdp_history
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213
All of our debt has been accumulated while the tax rates were at historic lows. It also happens to be the time period when much of the movement of companies overseas and occurred.
This country can easily afford to raise taxes. The population just too greedy to do it. They would rather destroy the economy instead.
What happened to, "don't spend money you don't have!". Kind of forgot about that, huh?
What became a problem under Bush has become a crisis under Obama. With absolutely no one in Washington even willing to admit to the level of financial crisis this nation is facing, is it any wonder none of our political leaders are offering anything of substance for a solution. All the current administration wants to do is spend this country into oblivion, blame Bush for as long as the lemmings believe them, and use accounting gimmicks along with smoke and mirrors to delay the reality from awakening the masses.
Absolutely nothing short of an ironclad balanced budget amendment should even be acceptable to anyone. Neither congress or the president can be trusted any longer. They simply do not care who gets hurt, or who will be made to suffer for their fiscal insanity. There is so little time left to get this turned around, if in fact that is even possible, that we have to clean house in congress and the white house now. We cannot afford four more years of the spending insanity from an Obama administration, anymore then changing to another beltway insider is going to be the savior.
At the rate we are going, you will not have title to anything you think you own today. Just servicing the debt will keep everyone as an indentured slave to the government. There will no longer be an American dream, and our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and so on will spend their lives suffering for our opulence and there will be nothing to show for it.
We have idiots that vote for the idiots that run, and when they are proven to be idiots the same idiot voters re-elect them. Partisan politics will be the destruction of this country, but the politicians and those politically connected will be just fine. But will you?
How do you expect anything to change when BOTH sides keep re-electing the same jackholes to office. Pelosi and Boenher have held office for over 20 years. You want real change, vote Congress out, ALL OF THEM!! Republicans and Democrats alike. Write to your Senators and Reps. Use your voice America. Instead of writing angry post and yelling at each other, use that angst in e-mails to the people who actually have something to do with creating/solving the problem. Believe me, they will listen, you just need to take five minutes out of your day to do this. They are all worried about being re-elected, WE THE PEOPLE control the fate of this country. This is still a government for the People, by the People.
I'm with you Sunny, It seemed to start in 2010, but not enough. If you can't bring yourself to vote for the other party tell you present lawmaker not to run again. We really need all the career politicians out of office. We need to do it again and again until prospective politicians learn they had better act responsibly or GTHO. We need to make it clear that once we vote out one of the dolts for incompetence, his political career is finished forever including speaking engagements.
Soc. Sec. taxes at current rate can pay S.S. thru 2037; fair changes can make S.S. solvent longer. Changes: 1) remove top income limit ($106,800) for S.S. tax; 2) apply means testing to eligibility, deducting all other income from S.S. earning chart benefit amount (i.e. S.S. amount-$30,000 minus other income $8,000 = $22,000 S.S. benefit); 3) STOP S.S. LOANS TO GEN. BUDGET FUND-EARN MORE INTEREST & LOANS THAT GIVE CONGRESS MEANS TO CONTINUE OVERSPENDING GEN. BUDGET INCOME. VOTERS THOUGHT WE STOPPED CONGRESS SPENDING S.S. FUNDS IN 1983, BUT CONGRESS BYPASSED OUR WISHES. THIS IS WHY S.S. IS IN DANGER.- LOANS ARE DUE & CONGRESS HAS NO GEN. FUNDS TO REPAY LOANS. ON ACCT. RECORDS THERE SHOULD BE $2.6 TRILLION IN S.S. FUNDS - POLITICIANS WON'T SAY THAT. DEFICIT & NATL. DEBT ARE CAUSED BY CONGRESS. LET'S STOP THEM WITH OUR VOTE - VOTE AGAINST ALL CONGRESSIONAL INCUMBENTS THIS ELECTION & EVERY ELECTION ESSENTIALLY CREATING A ONE-TERM LIMIT. This will reduce influence of Lobbyists/PACS, reduce pensions (require 5 yrs. service), lessen power/greed of politicians, & get attention of Congress who might then listen to citizens. CITIZENS CAN MAKE THIS A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE starting now in 2012 elections!!!!
Other nations have national health care. Ours can be corrected with advise from other nations who know problems , financial advisers, university professors -NOT POLITICIANS, LOBBYISTS & PACS. We need to stop buying political half-truths & deluge Congress with protests for truth, facts & laws for the majority.
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We are trying to balance the budget affecting the vulnerable citizens, but leaving the big receiver of welfare out - businesses, hoping they will get generous enough to give us a return on our investment. We the people are at fault too, turning this rich country into a cheap mentality spender, not figuring that by saving a dime we were destroying our inland industry and loosing the blue collar jobs, therefore a big chunk of tax revenue. Now blame the politicians!
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How about all of the big businesses who don't pay their taxes, like GE? 85% of big businesses in the US don't pay taxes; start with them first, then we'll see if we still need to raises taxes on the rest of us.
Say what you want about the Dem's, but the main issue, is the Bush tax cuts. They were unfunded, and meant to be temporary (until he got out of office, and wouldn't have to raise them back). He cut revenue, did not reduce spending, and left the next administration to clean it up. Now last year, in the face of the recession, the new administration had to look at raising taxes, or keep them as is. Raising taxes on the middle class during the recession would be disastrous. They tried to raise it on the top 2%, but were denied by Rep's, because they are the ones that create jobs. Guess what, they had 8 years to create them, and they didn't. Tax cuts to rich people, do not create jobs, sorry. All you hear from the right is about cutting speding, which I agree, the US needs to do. But to not even consider raising more revenue, is ridiculous, and just bad fiscal policy.
The Democrats , with a majority in the House, Senate and controlling the White House, passed the extension of the Bush tax cuts during the lame duck session. They voted to pass it while they still held the majority.
See and I would have said it's because we spent too much.
You see you would expect that when people see their wages drop they look at their expenditures and say "OK I guess it's hamburger instead of steak, beer instead of champagne and tapioca pudding instead of caviar.". What our government does is go "Screw it, put it on the card. We'll get to it later." and keep eating steak and caviar and drinking champagne. Well they never took care of it. They aren't even close to taking care of it. Now their credit card bill is so high, they as only able to pay toward the interest payments not the principal but they still haven't cut up the card. It won't be many years before they pay 100% of their income to cover the interest all the while they STILL won't cut up the card.
You can do away with Bush's tax cuts. You can do away with Business tax cuts. You can confiscate 100% of the property of every person in the US who is "rich" and it won't make a flea fart of a dent in the debt. Then what do we do next year when the "rich" are now not rich and our debt is still climbing?
It's hard enough to really understand how much a million dollars is. it's difficult to imagine how much a billion dollars is. It freaking nearly impossible to grasp how much a trillion dollars is and we owe LOTS of them. If you took all the money from all our billionaires, you wouldn't get much more than 10% of a trillion dollars. That's about a spit in the bucket. Whoo Hoo!! Of course next year they wouldn't have those billions to do it again with. Our deficit for this year's budget is 1.5 trillion dollars.
The White House doesn't set up the budget. That's done by Congress, and then the president can always veto it, but he doesn't "come up" with a budget. The Dem's had the majority, but not large enought to surpass the Repub's fillibuster. Can't pass it, if you can't vote on it. Remember, there was not only a Bush tax cut, but his policy also called for a tax increase, at the end of 2010. The Dem's wanted to continue those cuts for 98% of the country, but the Repub's were willing to let them expire on everyone, if the top 2% weren't included. Again, I ask you what demorgraphic you're in, and who's really representing you.
I was just thinking about "how much $1 billion is". JK Rolling, author the Harry Potter books, is worth $1 billion. So if you took a small village of 3,000 JK Rollings and each of them gave half of everything they had to the US government, that would be just enough money to pay for this year's budget deficit. If you can imagine 3,000 JK Rollings doing that, then you can truly realize what $1.5 trillion looks like. How many Oprah Winfrey's would it take? How many Kardashians or Trumps?
Koch - Both sides screwed the pooch. Just accept that. The dems would raise taxes sure, but they won't cut spending. Reps will cut spending but don't' want to raise taxes. To get us out of this hole, we are probably going to have to have both a huge tax increase and gigantic spending cuts.
You ask who's looking out for me? Neither side is looking out for any of us. If you believe one side is your wrong.
Let's look at it another way. If I gave 100% of my take home pay toward the deficit then after about 25 years all that money would equal a million dollars. That huge amount of money is .000007% of the debt as it stands right now? Take the average take home pay of the US and it's something like 50 years to get to that million. If the US average wage was the same as my wage and we paid 100% of our take home pay to pay off the debt it would take 35 years. With the real average US wages it would be roughly twice as long. That's 100% take home pay. Maybe not twice since my tax rate is fairly high. maybe 45 or 50 years. At 100% of everyone's money going to the government for one thing or another. Granted these are crude calculations and my numbers may be off by an order of magnitude. What it comes down to is this if all US adults worked and lived under an overpass and didn't pay for anything extravagant like food, clothing, housing, or transportation but paid everything that would normally be their take home pay to pay off the debt, it would still take decades to pay it off IF it didn't grow any during that time.
Now honestly answer this final question. If all that money started to pour in, do you really believe our lawmakers wouldn't try to spend it for something else?
I've heard the talking point that the wars are causing the debt (admitted oversimplification). Then why didn't the Dems pull out the troops (WH) or cut funding (congress) while they had all the power? Get past the blame game and start solving the problem. Suck it up. Revamp the tax codes. Cut spending to the bone. Start building this country from the ground up on a solid foundation. Be truthful to my generation and tell us to pay for Social Security and tell us we aren't getting any. We aren't blind, and I don't know anyone my age that is figuring SS in our retirement plans because it won't be there. End the lies.
All you freaking whiners, on both sides, keep blaming each other is not going to do a damn bit of good. We need to start voting for real people not politicians that are in it for the money and not the good of the country, we are doing this to purselves and the coorupt politicians lead by lobbyist are pitting us against one another and winning. Until we realize this is their game we the people are the losers, weather your right or left they truly do not care and are using the passion of differing ideologies to make us confused to their real agenda for the big corporations.
Good luck, people we are falling rihgt into their trap and they are laughing all the way to the bank.
Right or left or so called tea party we all need to wake up.
Term limits across the board. From School Board to the Supreme Court.
Sorry, but today the head of the DNC is focusing on the question if the Republicans are fair to women? The state of the economy is not in her sights since it may point out that the recovery is not going well at all. So, she is busy focusing on other issues and hoping no one will notice 9% unemployment.
Ha, Ha! The old sleight of hand! It won't work this time!
Am I missing something? Biden wants to cut spending, but increase the debt limit. What would be the point in raising the budget if you were going to reduce spending? That doesn't make any sense. Does someone understand this logic?
Yes, simple, The spending cuts they are talking about are much less then the projected deficit. Since we are already at the debt limit, he wants us to raise that limit too. What he is really saying is he wants to slow the rate of the debt increase but has no plan to stop it or reverse it.
Debt nearing dangerous levels.I love the words these people use like DANGEROUS!
Ya dummies, you didn't see this coming?Keep going, being the Worlds Wonder Policemen.Fighting created wars that you dam well you KNOW couldn't of won, when you got in there.What a freaken Joke.Think of what ya could of done for this country, with all the money ya spent on those disasterous wars.
Hell keep spending,your all doing a HELL OF A JOB!NOW TRY AND PAY FOR ALL YOUR JOKES YA DUMMIES!
Mr. Curry...... STILL not reporting on "starve the beast" -- the GOP plan hatched under Reagan and now endangers the national security of the United States! You KNOW it was/is a DELIBERATE plan to cause a debt crisis so they could propose privatizing the entitlements. Well, they've starved the beast and then some. Now we DO hear about privatizing the entitlements!
It's time to STOP being an "independent" reporter and start being a PATRIOT!! JUST LOOK AT WHAT THE GOP HAS DONE SINCE REAGAN!!!!!
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
http://www.lafn.org/gvdc//Natl_Debt_Chart.html
http://www.forbes.com/2010/05/06/tax-cuts-republicans-starve-the-beast-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10054/1037783-109.stm
http://www.dlc.org/print.cfm?contentid=251788
 Greece....Greece....Greece.....Grease.....Grease.....That's how you slip down this slope. Raising taxes is a hollow mantra. Take the wealthiest 20 people in the world, bankrupt them and take all of their money and you could run this government for how long??? A LITTLE OVER THREE DAYS!!!! That's right, this government spends $360B per month ($12B per day) of which it borrows a third ($120B per month/$4B per day). Stop the madness, stop the spending!!!
How did we get to this Sad State: Bush the great Decider and the Republicans squandered A large part of this countries wealth with:
1) His 2 war that cost a trillian dollars with the scantiest of hersey evidence((Just Added to the Debt)
2) His prescription benefits that we couldnt afford and (Just Added to the Debt)
3) His tax cuts for the rich that we couldnt afford and ((Just Added to the Debt)
4) HIs Letting 2/3 of largest corporations that make 10s to 100s of Billions pay no taxes thru outsourcing of our jobs. (Billions of Dollars Not Collect Because People are out of Work) ((Just Added to the Debt)
Why wer'ent the Republican screeming Bloody Murder when Bush was laying the seeds to Trillions of Dollars In budget deficits? Remember Cheney "Deficits dont matter"
Ill tell you why? Because The Republicans only care about their Greedy selves & Hell with everyone else.
And how will we pay for this now? With YOUR social security \ medicare money, of course!(That You paid Taxes Into and Now the Govtment wants to tell us its an "Entitlement") And huge national debts for our children and grand children as for as the eyes can see. Wake up people.youve where Had!
The Great Decider Decided all right. He decided to scr@w us and this country !!!
Keep electing Republicans into the White house voting for the Rich and expect the same lame results
Drew,too bad Affirmative Action colleges don't offer Economics 101.You spent too much time learning "See Spot Run,Watch Jane Jump".
Drew, you are out of touch! Obama quadrupled the National debt and unemployment is at 9.1 and growing daily! This Administration has the lamest, worst results, EVER, and it's high time to vote them OUT!
Drew, and what bush did was a part of a larger plan to deliberately created a debt crisis so they GOP could start telling us that privatizing the entitlement programs was the ONLY solution, which it clearly is NOT!!
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You need to learn the difference between debt and deficit.
Proof you can fix the budget, pay off the deficit in 10 years, and leave Social Security and other retirements alone.
The United States of America finds itself at a fiscal crossroads on a path that everyone can agree is unsustainable. That unfortunately is where everyone seems to stop agreeing. Looking at income taxes for the wealthy it is fact that from 1936 until 1982 the top tax rate was 70% or more. In 1982 it went down to 50% until 1987 when it went down again to closer to current levels. Despite the drop in the top tax rate during this time, the top 20% have been paying a larger and larger share of the total income tax paid in the US, but this is only fair in my opinion because they have been earning a larger and larger share of total income. This discussion is dealing with Income Tax, so arguing about other taxes paid does not address this topic. This is not about Capital Gains, Estate, or Use taxes; this article is about Income Tax.
When one looks at total revenues for the United States, the biggest revenue is for Personal Income Tax. If you want to resolve a fiscal crisis the size of the one the United States currently finds itself in, you have to look at the biggest sources to make adjustments. Corporate Income taxes are so small as to be found irrelevant for this discussion. As a matter of fact I would encourage that Corporate Income Taxes be abolished in the United States, if and only if the proposal for funding healthcare in this article is implemented. Otherwise, I believe that a Corporate Income Tax of 8.55% that cannot be reduced in any way should be implemented.
After a serious look at the total Revenues for the United States, it is clear that taxes alone are not going to be able to close the debt that we have created. Outlays will most definitely have to be cut, along with tax increases.
First, I think all expenses have to be put into perspective with the rate of inflation. For this, I use the CPI-U.
•CPI-U means the index of consumer prices developed and updated by the US Department of Commerce. As referenced in section 1927(c) of the Social Security Act, it is the CPI for all urban consumers (US average)
The CPI-U average from 1914 through 2010 is 3.37%. The CPI-U from 1990 through 2010 is 2.75% and from 2000 through 2010 is 2.49%.
Using these numbers, it is not unrealistic to put the annual increase of outlays at an average of 3%, but the reality is far from that. For the argument that this is unrealistic, I submit the argument that the average American has to live with the real world factors of the CPU-I and it is not asking too much that our government, which is funded by us, to live within those same numbers.
For the US average wage, I am using the National Average Wage Index calculated by the Social Security Administration. From 1951 to 2009, the Wage index has increased from $2,799.16 to $40,711.61. That is an average annual increase of 4.49%. For the years 1990 through 2009, it averaged 3.45% and from 2000 to 2009, the annual increase averaged 2.84%.
Discretionary Outlays.
Our total Discretionary Outlays have increased from 122.5 billion in 1971 to 1,349.2 billion in 2010, a total increase of 1101%. I want to break it down a bit to show when the huge increases occurred. From 1971 to1980, it increased 226%, from 1981 to 1990, we saw an increase of 163%, from 1991 through 2000, it increased 115%, and from 2001 to 2010, we saw an increase of 208%. Dollars were 122.5 billion to 276.3 billion for '71 to '80, 307.9 billion to 500.6 billion for '81 to '90, 533.3 billion to 614.6 billion for '91 to 2000, and 649.0 billion to 1,349.2 billion for 2001 to 2010.
To try to go back and adjust spending beyond a 10-year mark would be so devastating to the government and the economy that it is a non-starter. Because of this, I will us a 10-year model of adjusted spending.
Defense outlays have increased 225% from 2001 to 2011. It should increase by a maximum of 3% a year. In dollars, it went from 306.1 billion to 689.1 billion. With all the wars from 1971 to today, it has increased by 872%. In 1990 during the first gulf war, it was 300.1 billion. The cost of the current wars is about 2 billion a week or roughly 104 billion a year, so why the huge increase in Defense spending? It has increased by 483 billion a year since 2001. With the ongoing wars it should be reduced by allowing a 3% per year increase over the past 10 years and adding in the cost of the wars, (93.29 billion plus 104 billion), 197.3 billion over the 306.1 billion of 2001. That is 503.4 billion a year for defense, so let us be generous and round it up to 504 billion with a 3% per year growth cap. That would save 185.1 billion a year.
International outlays have increased 204% from 2001 to 2011. In dollars, it increased from 22.5 billion to 45.9 billion. While the American people saw the average wage increase by only 1.27% from 2000 to 2009, we increased our international outlays by more than 202% above that. It should be capped by 3% annually, which in dollars is an increase from 22.5 billion to 29.3574 billion. If we round up to 30 billion a year it is a savings of 15.9 billion a year.
Domestic outlays have seen the same type of unreasonable increases, going from 320.4 billion in 2001 to 614.2 billion in 2010. That is an increase of 192%. Applying the same 3% annual increase cap from 2001 levels, it should go from 320.4 billion to 418 billion. Giving the generous round up I applied to the other outlays it would be 420 billion a year with a 3% annual increase cap. That would save 194.2 billion.
The total savings from Discretionary outlays is 395.2 billion a year.
Now we turn to Mandatory Outlays.
Mandatory Outlays have increased by 2620% from 1971 to 2010, or from 72.9 billion to 1,909.6 billion per year. I will break it down in 10-year chunks. From 1971 to 1980, it increased 414%, from 1981 to 1990, it increased 188%, from 1991 to 2000, we saw an increase of 160%, and from 2001 to 2010 it increased 190%. Dollar figures for those periods are 72.9 billion to 262.1 billion for '71 to '80, 301.5 billion to 568.1 billion for '81 to '90, 596.5 billion to 951.5 billion for '91 to 2000, and 1,007.6 billion to 1,909.6 billion for 2001 to 2010.
Social Security outlays have increased 163% from 2001 to 2010. In dollars, it went from 429.4 billion to 700.7 billion. Our debt at the end of 2010 was over 13 trillion dollars. Given the vital importance to individuals on fixed income, changes to this outlay are very hard for me to justify, but I do not know if it is possible to close the 2010-budget deficit of 1.3 trillion and pay off the debt without changes to this metric. If we were to apply the 3% per year cap, it would break down to going from 429.4 billion per year to 560.3 billion, giving an annual savings of 140.4 billion. I want to see if we can get that from other places and leave this alone.
Medicare outlays have increased from 2001 to 2010 by 219%. The dollar amount of that increase is from 237.9 billion in 2001 to 520.4 billion in 2010. Applying the standard 3% per year increase would take the outlay from 237.9 billion to 310.4 billion. If we apply the generous rounding to 311 billion per year, it would cut 209.4 billion from the budget.
Medicaid outlays saw an increase of 211% from 2001 to 2010. Total dollar amounts are increased from 129.4 billion in 2001 to 272.8 billion in 2010. 3% per year increase adjustment takes it from 129.4 billion to 168.8 billion, with a rounding up to 170 billion. That would give us a savings of 122.8 billion a year.
Income Security outlays have increased from 2001 to 2010 by 306%. The dollar value of this increase is from 143.1 billion to 437.7 billion. Since this category included unemployment payments, that can be pointed to as the primary driver of the increase. Applying the 3% per year increase, it would make the increase from 143.1 billion in 2001 to 186.7 billion. This would provide 251 billion per year in savings.
Other Retirement and Disability outlays have increased by 149% from 2001 to 2010. In dollars, it moved from 93 billion to 138.9 billion per year. This category includes retirement for military and government workers, and like Social Security, my personal opinion is that it should not be touched. With that in mind, the 3% per year increase cap if applied would amount to going from 93 billion per year to 121.3 billion. Applying my rounding it would come to 122 billion per year and provide a potential of 16.9 billion per year. I also want to see if we can protect this outlay by getting the savings from other areas.
Other program outlays have decreased from 64.5 billion in 2001 to 23.3 billion in 2010. Obviously, this outlay provides no opportunity for saving from the budget.
The total savings from Mandatory Outlays is 475.3 billion not counting the retirement outlays. If there is no other way to find the savings it could be increased to 632.6 billion a year in savings.
Closing the deficit and Paying off the DEBT.
With changes to how we pay for healthcare.
Total ethical outlay savings is 870.5 billion a year. Of course if we were to implement my changes to healthcare we would cut a total of 793.2 billion from the Outlays budget, a new Income and Outlays budget would need to be created for public healthcare, but that should be operated independently from this budget. If the healthcare changes are implemented the total outlays savings in my plan would be 1,663.7 billion dollars per year. The current annual deficit for 2009 was 1,294 billion dollars; these cuts along with the healthcare changes would provide a surplus of 369.7 billion per year. To pay off the debt of 13,164 billion at the end of 2010 in a 10-year plan would require us to pay down 1,316.4 billion per year. Add the budget cuts to that and we need to increase Revenues by 946.7 billion per year.
Without changes to how we pay for healthcare.
Considering that, economists have projected that unemployment will not recover for the next 5 years; we have to look at the tax revenues we have currently. The current deficit is 1,294 billion dollars and the savings described are 870.5 billion, leaving a deficit of 423.5 billion per year. Considering the debt of 13,164 billion at the end of 2010, we should set a 10-year reduction plan. To pay off the entire debt we would have to pay down 1,316.4 billion per year. If you added the 423.5 billion still needed to make the annual budget balance, we would have to increase the revenues by 1,739.9 billion per year. The total revenues for 2010 were 2,161.7 billion and paying off the debt in 10 years would require an almost doubling of the current tax revenues. I will figure for 10, 15, and 20 years.
Flat tax increase.
With my healthcare plan.
For 10 years, the total revenue per year would require 3,108.4 billion, which is an increase of 143.8%. So when you do your taxes you would take the total tax, (1040a line 37, 1040EZ line 11), and multiply by 1.438. The US median household income for 2009 was $49,777, with the median adjusted gross income of $33,048. The standard deduction for a single person is $9,350 and for married filing jointly is $18,700 giving a taxable income of $23,698 for single filers and $14,348 for married filing jointly. The total tax on those is $3,133 for the single example and $1,433 for the married example. To cover the deficit and debt in 10 years it would increase to $4,506 for the single and $2,061 for the married.
My personal finances would be $117,589 adjusted gross income, itemized deductions of $19,349 and exemptions of $14,600, making my total taxable income $83,640. My total tax is $13,269, I have credits of $3099 making my total tax for 2010 $10,170. My increase for the 10-year plan would go to $14,625. For the class warfare that the politicians like to use, I compare my finances to the median figures. The median earner pays taxes of 2.9% of their wages for the married example and 6.3% for the single example. I pay 8.7% for my married income, which is 5.8% more than the median example. For the 10 year plan those number would change to 4.1% for the married example, 9.1% for the single example, and 12.4% for me.
For 15 years, the total revenue per year would require 507.9 billion more than the 2010 revenues for 2,669.6 billion, which is an increase of 123.5%. Using the same three examples the new tax would be $3,870 for the single, $1,770 for the married, and $12,560 for me. Percentage of income would move to 7.8% for the single, 3.6% for the married, and 10.7% for me.
For 20 years, the total revenue per year would require 288.5 billion more than the 2010 revenues for 2,450.2 billion, which is an increase of 113.3%. Using the same three examples the new tax would be $3,550 for the single, $1,624 for the married, and $11,523 for me. Percentage of income would move to 7.1% for the single, 3.3% for the married, and 9.8% for me.
Without my healthcare plan.
For 10 years, the total revenue per year would require 3,901.6 billion, which is an increase of 180.5%. So when you do your taxes you would take the total tax, (1040a line 37, 1040EZ line 11), and multiply by 1.805. The US median household income for 2009 was $49,777, with the median adjusted gross income of $33,048. The standard deduction for a single person is $9,350 and for married filing jointly is $18,700 giving a taxable income of $23,698 for single filers and $14,348 for married filing jointly. The total tax on those is $3,133 for the single example and $1,433 for the married example. To cover the deficit and debt in 10 years it would increase to $5,655 for the single and $2,587 for the married.
My personal finances would be $117,589 adjusted gross income, itemized deductions of $19,349 and exemptions of $14,600, making my total taxable income $83,640. My total tax is $13,269, I have credits of $3099 making my total tax for 2010 $10,170. My increase for the 10-year plan would go to $18,357. For the class warfare that the politicians like to use, I compare my finances to the median figures. The median earner pays taxes of 2.9% of their wages for the married example and 6.3% for the single example. I pay 8.7% for my married income, which is 5.8% more than the median example. For the 10 year plan those number would change to 5.2% for the married example, 11.4% for the single example, and 15.6% for me.
For 15 years, the total revenue per year would require 1301.1 billion more than the 2010 revenues for 3,462.8 billion, which is an increase of 160.2%. Using the same three examples the new tax would be $5019 for the single, $2296 for the married, and $16,292 for me. Percentage of income would move to 10.1% for the single, 4.6% for the married, and 13.9% for me.
For 20 years, the total revenue per year would require 658.2 billion more than the 2010 revenues for 2,819.9 billion, which is an increase of 130.4%. Using the same three examples the new tax would be $4085 for the single, $1869 for the married, and $13,262 for me. Percentage of income would move to 8.2% for the single, 3.8% for the married, and 11.3% for me.
Back to the political class warfare angle.
The increases for the 20-year model are much more palpable; however, in comparison this model shoulders the lower income earner with more of the burden. Let me explain. In the current 2010 model single, married, and me pay 6.3%, 2.9%, and 8.7% of income in federal taxes respectively. With my healthcare changes. For the 10-year model, it is 9.1%, 4.1%, and 12.4% respectively. For the 15-year model, it is 7.8%, 3.6%, and 10.7% respectively. For the 20-year model, it has 7.1%, 3.3%, and 9.8% respectively. Therefore, the difference is the gap between them. 10 year plan I pay 8.3% more of my income in taxes than the married median household example, while in the 15 year plan it goes down to a 7.1% difference, and in the 20 year plan it goes down to a 6.5% difference. Without my healthcare. For the 10-year model, it is 11.4%, 5.2%, and 15.6% respectively. For the 15-year model, it is 10.1%, 4.6%, and 13.9% respectively. For the 20-year model, it has 8.2%, 3.8%, and 11.3% respectively. Therefore, the difference is the gap between them. 10 year plan I pay 10.4% more of my income in taxes than the married median household example, while in the 15 year plan it goes down to a 9.3% difference, and in the 20 year plan it goes down to a 7.5% difference.
If you want to be fair it is still a 3% increase for all, but the percentage of income is drastically different. The numbers clearly show that the flat percentage increase across the board increases the difference between the percentage of income the median household pays and what I pay. Therefore, the flat tax application does make the higher income earner shoulder more of the burden.
One thing we have to consider is how I got to AGI for these examples. A quick rundown on how my income is broken down to AGI, compared to the median income examples I used. First, we have to look at how net income is reported for tax purposes. My wife is a teacher who is not eligible for Social Security credits from her job; therefore, she does not pay Social Security wages. She does have a teacher's retirement pension, but she pays 14.82% of her pay for that pension. She gets medical insurance for herself paid for by the school. She was paid 54,187 for the year and was taxed for 1.45% Medicare on that amount. For income taxes, the amount she paid into retirement is not counted as taxable income, so her taxable wages are only 46,157. For me I was paid 78,064, which I was taxed on for Social Security and Medicare. However, I put 6,645.72 (8.5% of salary) into a 401k, making my federal income taxable earnings just 71,418. Furthermore, my company matched 2,285.06 that also did not count as salary. My actual pay received was 88,867.57 for the year. So how did I get from 88,867.57 to 71,418? The 401k contribution is pre-tax, so is my contribution for medical for me and my 2 kids (my wife gets free healthcare, but my insurance plan is much better than hers so I cover our kids) which is 303.35 per paycheck or 7,887.10 per year. I also got reimbursements for health club dues, and some education cost reimbursement that does not count as income as long as it is fewer than 3,000 per year. So my total compensation combined with my wife's is 143,054.57, of that 117,589 is taxable income this year, 16,960.78 plus gains or losses from the stock market will be taxable in the future, and 8504.79 will never be taxed. Of that 8504.79, 7887.10 was for health care costs (medical, dental, vision) and 617.69 was untaxed reimbursements.
My plan to change how we pay for healthcare.
This year my wife and I paid $1,917.64 for Medicare as did our employers, for a total of $3,835.28. I also paid $7887.10 (This includes my copay and out of pocket requirements) for insurance for me and my kids and my employer paid a reported $8,994 for my children and me. I am not sure how much my wife's employer paid for her healthcare. However if I were to pay a flat 8.55% for healthcare, which was matched by my employer it would amount to $6,674.47 my contribution plus $6,674.47 for my employer totaling $13,348.94 for me. The 2.9% currently paid for Medicare would go to the General Revenue bucket to keep current receipts the same, making the new tax a flat 10% total (10% for employee and 10% for employer). In addition, for my wife an employer only contribution would be $4,632.99. The total for both of us would be $17,981.93 for healthcare per year. This should be able to cover the cost of universal healthcare for all when extrapolated throughout the working population.
So let us compare those numbers.
10% (8.55% for healthcare and 1.45% Medicare to General Revenue) for my employer and me is $15,612.80 ($7,806.40 each), which is less than both currently pay now ($1,131.93 + $7,887.10 = $9,019.03 my share and $1,131.93 + $8,994 = $10,125.93 my employer’s share). For my wife’s employer and her is $6,204.41 ($785.71 my wife’s share and $785.71 + $4,632.99 = $5,418.70 her employer’s share). Reducing the amount down to a 3.5% (2.05% healthcare + 1.45% Medicare) contribution for each for a total of 7% for lower income workers should make it affordable for both workers and employers.
So to summarize my changes, all outlays except for the retirement programs will be brought down to levels from 10 years ago, with a 3% annual increase applied, and a generous rounding up to get to the new level. On top of this, until the total US Debt is retired there will be a mandatory cap of 3% per year increase applied. There should also be a required constitutional amendment put to a vote to force an annual balanced budget. The Healthcare system in the United States should be funded by a 2.05% tax on income for all workers in the bottom 40% of earners and a 7.1% tax on all income for the top 60% of earners. The employer will match this tax; in exchange for this new tax, Corporate Income Tax will be eliminated. (Most corporations find a way not to pay any corporate income tax anyway, this new tax would be based off of salary paid in all forms. i.e. income, bonuses, stock options, etc.) Individual income taxes will be increased by 143.8% for all.
too bad it's so long nobody will read your post.I didn't either.
Your research and attention to detail is fantastic, and your income tax plans are insightful and sensible, but goes to Hell in a Handbasket when you refer to the healthcare system...
The government has no business in ANY part of health care, not individuals, not Medicare, not Medicaid..
I can post an almost-as-long dissection of the American health care history, showing that the escalation of health care costs are DIRECTLY the result of government involvement, interference, regulation, and control of the health delivery systems since the LBJ Great Society alphabet-suop agencies that created more dependency with less benefit...
Even today, Medicare and Medicaid refuse more claims than does private insurance, both in real numbers and in percentages of claims.. The Government running healthcare will never control costs unless there is massive reduction in care and services, as is the case in Canada and every European and far-east country that has government-run medicine...
And too bad that the largest fundamental mistake in his numbers is that he doesn't take inflation into account. You need to adjust your numbers to reflect the difference in buying power, especially in consideration of the enormous inflation that occurred in the 70's, largely due to the impact of the oil crises and the adjustment from the ending of the fixed exchange rates in the early 70's by Nixon.
And I generally won't find length to be an issue in reading posts, however I thought his organization was sub par and couldn't keep jumping back and forth.
With regards to SS spending increases. That was expected and well known going back 30 years when it was obvious that population growth in the US was decreasing and immigration laws was reducing immigration into the country. This increase is due to the baby boomers retiring. Now if Bush had kept the fiscal sanity that resulted in a largely balanced budget, we wouldn't be in this situation. In fact what was needed was a continuation of cuts back which would have gradually adjusted for the increase in spending.
With regards to health care in Canada. Well the point there is that I am not insurable in the US, AT ALL. My company that I am a minority owner of, specifically has myself OFF the eligible participants. Even then we have not had a rate increase in the single digits in the last 5 years. (I was a silent partner before then and never bothered to examine the figures from before then so I don't know). So the end result is I have to pay out of pocket for my personal health care in the US.
When I was living in Canada, there was NO service that I could not get if I needed it. There is a shortage of some specialists, however, that is more a result of the much lower population. A Specialist has a much lower demand as a function of its population, and with 1/10th the population of the US, there just often isn't the demand for a specialist to operate in the country. In those cases, the government will PAY to have the patient treated in the US, at great cost. So if it costs less to pay FULL DISCLOSED rates by sending the patient to a doctor in the US than it is to have a doctor in Canada, that makes prudent fiscal sense.
The basic issue with health care really is, how do you insure the uninsurable, which includes the retired and also people with health issues, in the most fiscally prudent manner. There are pretty much only three choices to this (by the way, this is NOT me supporting any of these choices, I am just stating the reality):
1) Do you basically leave them to essentially die
2) Do you create a government funded system that seems extremely costly only because it is set up for those that you know are going to cost the system a lot of money.
3) Do you figure some way to fold these cases into the mainstream insurance system which will increase the costs for those that are healthy a certain amount as the laws of averages comes into play.
Those are basically the three points of the triangle of extremes in health care coverage, and you can go on for years debating what is right or wrong, and still not come up with an answer. To be honest, I don't really have an answer either. Canada's system works for most people, and it seems right now that the struggle with the government is to try and escalate the amount that we pay for health care (last time I was back home, there was an influx of commercials about how great it would be to pay a private company for health insurance, primarily because the insurance industry is looking for new revenue streams.
What people don't realize in Canada (actually forgotten is more like it) is that Canada got a single payer insurance system by accident. The government didn't create it because they wanted to (other than in the province of Saskatchewan), it was created because the insurance industry at the time didn't want to provide the service.
As for corporate tax, it is not true that most corporations find a way to not pay tax. The GE situation was a one time situation resulting in the company using carry forward losses from 2008 into this years profits. Companies can do that because they can't reduce their tax liability to below zero dollars, hence getting a tax refund like individuals can. Likewise, my company didn't pay income tax on our basic operations because we lost money last year, first year in 19 years that we didn't make a profit, so overall that is a pretty good track record. Our holding company however, did pay income tax on our capital reserve investments.
Now, the other side of that situation is that the companies that are best able to work the tax system to their advantage are multinationals as they can play the tax system in multiple companies; to a certain extent; to drive their before tax income to as low a level as possible. For manufactured products, it is pretty difficult to do this, but for e-Products (financial services, software, web companies that don't sell products), the results can be quite dramatic. Google and Facebook are reportedly experts in this.
Sorry that this turned into yet another booklette.
Not a word from the GOP when Wall Street was given four trillion dollars, now the GOP and Tea Partiers want to pay back debt on the backs of Social Security and Medicare.
Yes, and the GOP knows where they can stick that plan. We'll consider doing just that, just as soon as they consider taking not only their pay raises and benefits, but the Democrats as well, and putting it back into the SS fund that they ripped off back in the late fifties and early sixties. By the way, even though it was the Democrats that moved to take that money, no one saw any Republicans move to stop it, so, IMO, they are both guilty of it.
Typical PMS-NBC troll....
"Wall Street" was never given $4Trillion... Bush's TARP was $484 Billion, and has been mostly repaid.. Obama's Stimulus was $787 Billion, and went almost entirely to State and Local governments, except for the money that went to car companies to bail out the Union contracts...
The only raiding of Medicare is the $500Billion cut in Medicare called for in Obamacare to help fund THAT disaster...
The Ryan Budget doesn't touch Social Security, and only restructures Medicare payments TEN YEARS from now, and still guarantees full payment to everyone currently on the plan..
Moron Troll...
what alternative universe do you live in>Obama and Biden bailed out Wall Street,GM and Chrysler in this Universe.
Peter,
The GM/Chrysler bailouts didn't come from the Stimulus, it came from the unused funds of TARP. The decision to do that came from the Obama administration, but the TARP itself came from the Bush Administration arranged by Paulson
That last bit was for IMCurious.
Peter:
Ryans plan is voodoo. First off, the insurance industry doesn't want to cover the elderly. It costs them too much. So exactly how do you plan for someone to take one of those 'vouchers' to get an insurance policy that just doesn't exist. It also does nothing to deal with the fundamental problem with medicare, which is that health care just costs too much, its costs are out of control. There are MANY reasons for that. The cost containment issues with medicare are a symptom of a much bigger problem, not the problem. So unless you deal with the actual source of the problem, you are just covering it up. In this case, you are transferring the liability for the cost increase on those that in general just can't afford it.
Secondly, Ryan proposed to save money by not touching medicare for a decade, supposedly to reduce the deficit. Ok, on the face of it, fine. But then why does he propose to REDUCE REVENUES by IMMEDIATELY giving out corporate tax breaks with a vague promise to try and flatten out the tax code (removing loopholes). Those corporate tax breaks would reduce revenues by MORE than what was proposed to be saved by the medicare change, thereby making the deficit worse.
On the whole, the Ryan plan is total bollocks, however there is ONE thing in it that I actually think would be an improvement. It is how you deal with the tax implications of health care. His proposal is to remove the tax write off for corporations and replace it with a tax credit on your personal income tax returns. That way, EVERYBODY has the ability to write off their health insurance (right now, self employed individuals do not have that ability) up to a certain capped amount. If you want to get a cadillac plan, you can, but only the basic amount would be deductible. If you don't want to have insurance, that is fine, but you don't get the tax credit.
The most ironic part of the entire CBO report is that they essentially tell the Congress and the White House what must happen; raise taxes and reduce entitlement expenditures. Unfortunately, politicians on both sides of the aisle are unwilling to even consider giving their "sacred cows" to the feast. Whether anyone likes it or not, tax revenue must be increased; period. Whether that's through the closing of the tens of thousands of loopholes that currently exist, raising any one (or several) of the various kinds of taxes that are collected, or a combination of all of them, expenditures must be increased. Yes, there are a lot of different 'taxes' out there. But history has proven time-and-time again that the citizens of this nation can pay significantly more in taxes, and continue to be able to succeed in whatever manner they choose. Like it or not, the vast majority of Americans do enjoy and appreciate many of the things that the government created, has provided, and in some instances still provides. If we are to continue to have things like (relatively) affordable electricity, water, etc., then we have to pay the bills which ensure that they continue to (relatively) affordable, safe and necessary.
On the flip side, the government must do something significant to rein-in healthcare and other entitlement costs; period. The single worst thing that was ever done for or to the healthcare industry was to allow healthcare providers and health insurance companies to be "for profit" entities. The minute that happened, the overwhelming majority of companies engaged in those enterprises became infinitely more interested in increasing their profitability at any and every way imagineable. The biggest 'losers' in converting those industries to non-profit would be the highest paid executives who gain a significant share of their annual wealth from stock options and other related forms of compensation. We should really question the validity of having the industries which, in large-part, ensure our continued health as a society most concerned about making more profits than the year before. Like it or not, the specter of "death panels" is not something new; not in any way, shape or form. The first time that an insurance company said "no" to a necessary medical procedure is the day that "death panels" became a reality.
And with regard to Social Security ... it's been touted over and over again that the most simple and just way to fix the solvency issue for that program is to raise or remove the caps placed on incomes who have to pay the Social Security and Medicare taxes. I'm actually a bit surprised that more low and middle income wage-earners aren't a bit more upset about the fact that if they make around $100,000/year every penny of their income is taxed for Social Security and Medicare; while those making more than that do not. And let's not kid ourselves. While some may have a problem with those programs on some philosophical basis, those programs have contributed significantly to the health and welfare of senior citizens and those affected by disability. It would be nice if every family made enough to be able to support their parents in perpetuity after they retire or are unable to work any longer (and the same goes for those who are disabled). It would be nice if there were charitable organizations of sufficient size and scope that could/would be able to provide some measure of care/sustenance to those who do not have a family to provide for them. It would be nice if a whole lot of things were different. But they're not. And while some may claim to detest things like Social Security and Medicare, many of those same individuals are unwilling or unable (or both) to step into the void that would be created should those programs no longer exist. And what is one of the most hypocritical and sadly ironic things to come from the continued debate over these entitlement programs is that while many 'say' that they're against them, they sure as heck do not hesitate to take advantage of them at the first opportunity to do so. Sure ... they paid into it (most likely) ... so they should be able to use it when it becomes available. No argument there. But then don't turn around and say you want to do away with it. Because if you do, then you're doing serious damage to the validity of your own argument .... it's pretty hard taking someone serious about doing away with those programs if they're, at the same time, using/benefitting-from them.
And finally, with respect to the wars ... I agree with some, maybe many, that we need to take a careful look at the "how's" and "why's" of our various uses of military might around the globe. We need to turn away from the policy of "nation-building by force." And while I would like to think that we could stop being "the world's police," it's wishful thinking (if not just plain ridiculous) to think that the countries of the world will "get along" sufficiently well to not require someone standing behind them telling them to "behave!" All one needs to do is open a history book ... any history book ... even the Bible ... to know that that has not and will not happen. And while some might think it would be possible for us to "pull back" to within our borders and not be involved in any country outside the U.S. except when/if they directly threaten us, that's not a rational view on geopolitics either. There might have been a time ... perhaps back in the late 19th or early 20th century where the U.S. could just stand back and let other countries "have at" each other. But that's not the case any longer. Ever-increasing globalization of commerce makes nearly every little "flare-up" in some backward country that few know the name of a potential economic problem to us here in the U.S. Even piracy, something many most likely believed went out with ships that were powered solely by the wind, is once again becoming an increasing problem for our nation's economy. Yes ... we need to return to a foreign/military policy of some restraint and clear thinking ... and we also need to take a serious look at requiring payment for the "protection" that our nation provides others ... either in cash or "in kind" (meaning they give us goods instead of actual money). That may seem or sound barbaric and immoral to some. Sadly, our nation cannot afford to continue to ensure a reasonable quality of life for our seniors and the disabled, while also ensuring continued "safety from assault or invasion" to scores of countries around the world. Those countries that receive our 'protection' should pay for it ... or provide them own (allowing us to bring our men, women and materiale home).
There should be no doubt; this nation faces a fairly stark future if we do not start demanding our politicians act like reasonable and responsible adults. ALL of them! The blame for our current situation lies squarely with all of the politicians currently in-power and those of the past 4 decades. And yes, I mean every single one of them. Yes ... there have been some that have done good things. There have been some who were able and willing to look and act beyond their partisan and ideological boundaries in order to provide a better, more prosperous quality of life for ALL Americans. But many of those same individuals stood lamely to the side and allowed one stupid piece of legislation after another, suggested and promoted (at different times) by members of all political stripe, and didn't lift a hand, or their voice, to stop it. To address our current issues, we must learn to ignore those politicians who refuse to consider reforming and raising tax expenditures. And we need to learn to ignore those politicians who refuse to consider reforming entitlement programs. And we need to ensure that our politicians hear our voices first, foremost and always before they hear those being raised by some multinational corporation.
JTR, SS can not be labeled an entitlement because the money being issued to recipients of the program is actually theirs to begin with! It was always fully funded by the employers and employees without any need for government subsidy. The only reason the government is involved with it today, is because they ripped off every dollar of it, and put it into the general fund so they could cover their over spending. And what did they do to fix it? Put I-O-Us in it, in place of money. Now they have to borrow even more, just to cover it. So tell me, why on Earth should those of us who paid into that system be back handed again by two political parties who took and spent that money in the first place, then set it up like a Ponzi scheme? This is no different than when they stopped backing the dollar with gold and silver. And it is now backed by what? The word of the Federal Reserve? Yeah, that's a laugh. Their word, and twenty five cents will buy me a good ol rotten cup of coffee from a vending machine also.
raise taxes and reduce entitlement expenditures
I believe we are at that point...but no pol has the stones to actually propose it.
too long
Where are all those jobs the Republicans promised after we extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich?
The budget would not be a problem if we had all that additional revenue tax cuts are supposed to generate.
the Republicans have failed miserably.
Hello, Stopthecannibals, the present Administration is Obama's, and HE has failed miserably! Where are his "shovel ready jobs"? What an ass! Then, he joked about his misgivings and failed policies!
JTR
The cap is on deductions yes, but it is also on benefits. It does work both ways.