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Subscribe to RSSPresident Obama faces a bipartisan challenge in Congress this week over the NATO mission in Libya, a topic that has sparked debate between lawmakers about the president’s ability to use force (over a period of time) without congressional authorization.
In the House this week, members of Congress will vote on a bill proposed by Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich to cut funding for the Libya operation. In the Senate, Sens. John Kerry and John McCain also plan to introduce a Libya resolution, Sen. Dianne Feinstein told Andrea Mitchell today on MSNBC’s "Andrea Mitchell Reports." Feinstein, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, is one of 10 co-sponsors of the bill.
“You know, this is an age old problem -- does the executive have this authority or not?” Feinstein said. “And I don’t think anything is really solved by having a long discussion over it. Let's just do it.”
As lawmakers continue to dispute U.S. involvement in Libya, congressional leaders are also at odds regarding the July deadline to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.
Senator Feinstein, who met in person with General David Petraeus last week, said she thinks the president’s decision should be a military-based decision.
“What Gen. Petraeus said is ‘Look, I will give him several options. I may make a recommendation, and then the president will decide,’” Feinstein said.
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All that money to "protect civilians."
All those civilians dead because of our munitions.
Yep, seems like a fantastic idea.
“You know, this is an age old problem -- does the executive have this authority or not?” Feinstein said. “And I don’t think anything is really solved by having a long discussion over it. Let's just do it.”
For real, why talk about it? Just Obama usurping the Constitution. Must be ok. He said so.
Who would have believed that Obama would be so eager to throw our military might around. Truly a wartime prez.
Asking a general if they think military operations should continue is like asking a painter if you should have your house painted.
Sounds like the same conversation we had with bush #2 no pun intended ...about Iraq ! It was ok because he said so ...remember that ? He explained he was the government !
Excuse me, but Bush got congressional approval for Iraq. Good try at deflecting what the current president is doing.
Exactly Kirby.
President Bush. That is George W. Bush, presented his case for invading Iraq to congress. Congress put it all to a vote, and gave him the go-ahead.
Obama just jumps right in to a war. By himself, without congressional approval. He bends the law any way he wants to.
As for Feinstein saying "let's not have a long discussion about this". I'm sorry, but that sounds vaguely familiar....like" let's just pass it and then we can see what's in it".
It's just Obama being Obama.... a little light has turned on in liberals heads. Expect more of this kind of thing in the coming months. Remember before the midterms? Not only was he acting like a centrist, but democrats were claiming he was even becoming a little (God forbid!) conservative! ! The guy's a chameleon and fighting for political survival.
Barack Obama on the economy 2008
Another broken promise!
Very good Pride! But I think his actions in Libya is more due to arrogance of power than anything else, but I agree we'll be seeing a lot more centrist and moderate conservative talk from him in the coming months.
Can only hope the country will see thru the smokes and mirrors this time around!
" I think his actions in Libya is more due to arrogance of power..."
And I think it is much more to do with keeping Al Qaida out of YOUR back yard.
but hey... if YOU don't mind them getting stronger, digging in, establishing a foothold from which to launch their efforts of world domination, lets get out and leave them be. I, however, will NOT forget 9/11 that easily.
OH that's right - based on those pesky WMD's that were hiding under his very own desk!
Who will EVER forget Colin Powell on his knees before the UN?
Thanks for the reminder.... I had forgotten about THAT bullsh!t!
Feisty
You just don't get it. If anything you should apologized to nojo.
Cr@p in one hand and wish in the other - IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN!
NJNB has been proven at a repeated liar and fraud - by all means hitch YOUR wagon to that geriatric ONE TRICK PONY!
From what I've read of you - that seems to be your comfort zone! ;o)
The comments made by Feisty yesterday were beyond the pale.
And now she insults totas.
DO US all a fvaor and save your POUTRAGE for someone who gives a F$%^
Once again, How DARE Totas demand an apology. If she wants to wade into the waters,...I'll unleash my own effin' sharks.
Totas, your fake outrage is getting tiresome. Uncinch your bra a notch and take a deep effin' breath because there is NO WAY IN HELL there will be an apology coming.
If you want to keep the @!$%# pot stirred, by all means bring it. Your chutzpah and entitlement to demand who Does or Doesn't get to fling the first pile of steaming feces is beyond the pale.
I suggest you do some research and make sure the wagon you're hitching is worth the WEIGHT of the load!
Clara,
Fake outrage that's a talking point and I hear it all the time, try something else. Please, what's with the reference with wagons you and feisty . If I didn't know better I would swear that you and Feisty are one in the same.
FYI, I did not demand an apology I simply said she should, dont speak for me.
The tone in your comment is very threatening you are the one who need to take a breath. "You want to unleash my own effin sharks" seriously this is not some cheap soap opera, geez.
You have a nice evening.
If it's late in the afternoon, feisty red wig will be 3 sheets to the wind and not responsible for her increasingly hostile insults. She considers a collapsed post, a badge of honor!
I visit MSNBC forums occasionally and I gotta say, F-Redhead, you really need to get a life outside of here. How 'bout writing in reality to your Senator or Representative? Bug them and let real people have a say here. This is supposed to be a comment forum, not a chat room. Bye.
Hmmmm... if bush2 was a war criminal (by libby standards) for getting congressional approval, what does that make obama? Perhaps obama thinks that he will get a second nobel prize for humanitarian reasons.
FR - Is anyone going to comment on this? Can someone from FR explain why you are not enforcing your own Code of Conduct.
Feisty attack on nojoe needs to be addressed, this is harassment plain and simple.
Feisty comments on Friday.
Still got the battery acid running through your veins eh NJNB?
We would like to believe that after you recent near heartbreak, you would of re-assessed the amount of hatred you carry in your heart...
We should of known better....
And therein lies the title you've so succesfully earned as the seond biggest LIAR on this blog right behind JS1!
YOU are a PHONY, FRAUD & a unsuccesul LIAR!
You have been PROVEN repeatedly to soak up EVERY comment like the right wind sponge YOU are!
Notice to NJNB - there were MORE people defending my comments then those that came to your rescue!
That little princess of yours has my deepest sympathies with a HATE riddled Grama like yourself!
Just keepon hating on... one day you will get yours! ;o)
Every dog has her day and it won't take long before YOU get yours... This sounds like a threat to me.
What's the matter NJNB - hubby out of town AGAIN? I would be more worried about WHAT was UPwith that then spreading you your HATRED every chance you get? Family should be excluded.
Do YOU think the hubby wants to get it on with a BITTER OLD BROAD that couldn't day something NICE if they had a GUN to their head? FR Really, are you going to address this?
Anyone else would have had the account suspended.
Thanks again for prioving YOU are a certifiable LIAR there GF!
You GO get them you miserable OLD BAT M'Kay?
PS: Thought you had me on ignore?
Nothing more than further PROOF you're a LIAR & and FRAUD...
DO YOU know where your hubby is? LMAO!
Other than with someone WHO is WARM?
FIRST READ ITS TIME TO LIVE UP TO YOUR CODE OF CONDUCT!!!!!!
More then likely, I will be the one deleted that's how they roll here.
GOOD LUCK my little troll - keep on posting it will ya! ;o)
You my little man - are SO yesterday! lol
Please by all means continue to bang your little drum K?
Everyday, all day.
NO surprise here... lol
That's IT totas - THAT'S you GOT?
Is it any wonder NO ONE pays any attention to your contributions.... LMAO!
As Markos Moulitsas just pointed out, time for totas to pull on her big girl underwear and get a grip. Looking for dignity in punditry (especially YEARS of BS) requires a thick skin. If NOJO can dish it out, she damn sure better know how to take it. And if these mental cases don't know that NOJO's been dishing it,...they should really STFU. I am completely over the Poutrage.
and the BEAT goes on,...
Unlike you feisty, I dont need attention, in fact I shy away from it. You where out of line, and the way you went after her is very disturbing. I called you out, because you where wrong. Enough said.
Clara, stalker charges, oh please that is so over the top. I will say it again, I did not give feisty a demand, but I still feel she should apologize.
thetotas' sentiments echo the thoughts of many here who try to politely discuss and debate! feisty only brings a juvenile attitude full of anger and hatred! Both mean spirited and argumentative without substance! She is the complete opposite of Sarah Palin! And that statement will guarantee a hate filled attack on me. lmao!
She is the gutter girl of FR!
Hey, Feisty, do you think you can file 'stalker' charges against the totas?
I mean seriously, she's pretty much followed you onto every thread today. DEMANDING (still laughing about that one) that YOU apologize. Priceless.
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Wow Fiesty,
I thought you were from the party of "tolerance", "diversity" and the "big tent" ideas and "let everybody have their say". Now we see the REAL you, you know the kind of person you see in the mirror everyday. It really must suck to be you!! To be so full of hate and disscust for your fellow American.
You are just another POS from what used to be a fair and decent party!!
You really need some professional help and I hope you find it, because you are truly sick!!
Fiesty is always just a mean, nasty, hatefulled person. She can't win any arguments on facts so she gets nasty. Her comments on here prove my point. She is an embarrassment to the other Democrats who want to have a legitimate debate.
LOVE the "holier than thou" crowd. Apparently, it is okay to say whatever you want about Feisty, but not okay for her to respond. You can't have this both ways. If Feisty disturbs your day that much, you can hit ignore author. It is illustrative that those of you who are SOOOO bothered by her continue to read what she says. Are your protesting to much? Sure seems that way.
Newday,
Just an observation about Feisty. You cant help but see her nasty remarks on every comment board. I think most people do ignore her, but some of the newer people actually try to have a intelligent debate with here and are shocked by mean, hateful and ignorant comments. Now after reading your post they will not bother with her.
and Realhope, every time you attack HER with the same level of vitriol - you're saying in NO UNCERTAIN terms that it is acceptable behavior; ON YOUR TERMS.
So knock off the pretentious, phony ACT. You simply CAN'T have it both ways, no matter how much you stomp your feet and demand it be so.
Clara,
You can attack me or keep making excuses for her, I dont really care,It makes you look as bad as her. The fact and proof is in her mean and hateful post on here. I know you know better, you have read her posts. This is not a surprise to you.
I am seriously not trying to attack you. I am pointing out the incongruity of what you are saying. I am a loyal friend and if you had to put up with the private emails and other drama she does,...you'd defend your positions as vehemently and staunchly as she does.
If you can't stand her style, put her on ignore. If you enjoy a little mudfest on occassion; by all means continue the hypocrisy. Just don't act so demure when someone points it out to you.
Clara you must have real blinders on regarding Feisty. She attacks everyone with OR without provocation who disagrees with her. FR moderators have no credibility when they allow her and others who don't follow the code of conduct to continue on with their rants. I actually am starting to believe they like it and encourage it.
Well, I guess I can give you a little history on this. Back in the VERY old days of this blog,...in one of the first Boiler Room type videos,...Domenico pulled one of my questions. His response to my question about the vitriol was "Politics is a contact sport" or something to that effect. I hadn't given it much thought. I gave as good as I got, it is what it is. But I did sit up and take notice. The more Feisty would point out PARTY differences, the more people attacked her personally. I have read some very threatening emails that have been sent to her directly and I am CERTAIN if I were on the receiving end, I would come out swinging just as hard. Some people really believe that if they BULLY someone, they can silence them. There isn't a person on this board who has taken the ration of crap Feisty has. The more they threaten her, the more she comes out swinging.
You don't have to agree, accept or understand; but there are some of us that WILL NOT be silenced, no matter what the 'public' opinion of the day seems to be.
Clara you again are missing the point. She attacks those people who aren't attacking her personally as well as those who do. Do you condone that behavior as well? There are way too many examples of her attack dog posts as well as Bev's. That is what people are referring to, not the tit for tat between posters who both get down in mud together. Participating in a "contact sport" doesn't mean you throw sportsmanship(code of conduct) out the window. The referees (moderators) don't do a good job of monitoring the spew.
I am not missing the point, I don't agree with the point. There is a difference. A very large percentage of posters crying FOUL in the recent 2-3 days have done so in a PERSONAL, VITRIOLIC way.
Have lines been crossed? Undoubtedly. Have we always been our personal best? Not even remotely. Is it ONLY Feisty with the problem? Not even remotely.
If everyone took the High Road,...can you imagine the complaints about the traffic?
I don't expect realistically every to always take the low road, however there are a few posters who ALWAYS take the low road. Feisty brags that the moderators don't do anything to her no matter what she posts.
For your information ksw, Feisty was suspended once. Can you imagine what she said for that to have happened?
That last bit was an attempt at humor. I am guessing as a longstanding voice,...she's probably given a little more latitude. I don't run the board, I'm not paid to be on the board, I pretty much show up every day (or so - vacations and all) and dish some lumps and take some lumps and try to keep the banter as HONEST as I can. Is it always kind and respectful? No, probably not. But I do hope at the end of the day, people can say I was Loyal, Fair and Honest.
If they can't say that, I probably had a bad day - or they are just plain crazy! LOL
Have a good day, being the net nanny is a sucky job, I am sure.
Your backhanded remark "being the net nanny" is not lost on me nor the insincere 'have a good day'. I am not trying to be the "net nanny" , nor are most of the people who have been commenting on the lack of practice of the code of conduct. Just pointing out the facts and keeping it real. You know being from MO you have to "show me" and all you have to do read the posts everyday to see the real character of most of the posters.
ksw, I SWEAR I wasn't talking about you - I meant Sally and Tyler, the moderators.
And I sincerely do hope you have a good day. Sheesh.
My apologies, sorry if I misread your comment.
In all fairness I use a lot of sarcasm so I am sure it is hard to tell; but this time, I really was being sincere. No worries,...there's plenty of time for me to offend you right back!
;)
Everyone Remember you can say what you want on here as long as you don't mention God. This is NBC the Godless people. Shame on NBC.