Nothing new....totally predictable since it involved equality for women!

5-4 NOW there's a shock!

It's been proven repeatedly that Wally's World treats their employees like cr@p!

The FACT they've run ad's trying to improve their image only proves it!

...and the ad used, dare I say it, Union Actors!

By all means Mamma, Chilled, or Feisty - explain what the court got wrong, and how it is anyone could ever classify over a million people as being treated the same.

And careful there Fiesty old gal - you get rid of "Wally's World" and you lose millions of jobs. Or is that ok because you don't like the company?

Oh and Chilled please let us know what this ruling has to do with equality of women. THis is a class certification issue. Everyone of those women have every right and opportunity to pursue their full legal rights, just not as a class.

Problem is you clearly have no idea what that means. Yet here you are spouting off.

Sorry to say chilled but you just come off as straight up ignorant. How about you go off and read up on the subject and head on back. I'd love to discuss the actual merits of the case with you.

There were two decisions here - one on points of law, the other on interpretation. On the points of law, the plaintiffs lost to a unanimous vote of the court.

On the interpretation, whether there was enough common ground for a class action suit, the conservative wing of the court narrowly prevailed in backing Wal-Mart.

Given that there is such a widspread pattern of discrimination across the landscape of the company, I think this was indeed a decision based on bias toward the corporation. Yet another example of conservative disregard for the public interest.

FR: In fact, the court said, the evidence seems to point in the opposite direction, that Wal-Mart had a corporate directive against discrimination and left decisions about pay and promotion policies to each individual store manager.

The real losers in this are the sue lawyers. Seems they couldn't prove what they thought was true. In fact, it appears Wal-Mart did not discriminate.

Looks like the sue lawyers will have to find some other fat-cat company to try and pirate.

Hey Spank...

.....guess you're a clerk for one of the GOP/TP Justices......Go Spanky!

Ok then John explain the basis for your opinion that it is based upon a bias. Also, if you can explain how this effects the "public interest."

"And careful there Fiesty old gal - you get rid of "Wally's World" and you lose millions of jobs."

Spank's right, Feisty. And then, those millons of people would have to go back to work at the mom and pop local mainstreet stores that we all used t.....Oooops, wait a minute.

What's the matter Drive By, can't talk about the merits of the ruling cause you don't understand it?

It's ok buddy I'd love to talk WalMart. It did a better job than the mom and pops. And now it's coming for Albertsons, SafeWay and Basha's.

Competition is good, right Drive By? You bet it is.

ANd no chilled not a clerk. Just happen to understand what the case was actually about. As usual JAS1 is spot on. The class action lawyers lose. The plaintiffs can all go litigate their claims.

A little knowledge chilled - it'll get you a long way. OR you can keep spouting off about women's rights. It's you call brother. :)

John A.-400474

On the interpretation, whether there was enough common ground for a class action suit, the conservative wing of the court narrowly prevailed in backing Wal-Mart.

Given that there is such a widspread pattern of discrimination across the landscape of the company, I think this was indeed a decision based on bias toward the corporation. Yet another example of conservative disregard for the public interest.

I don't know if you're correct on this one. What would cost Walmart more....one class action decision or having to fight thousands of individual employment practices lawsuits?

I can't believe 4 supreme court justices voted the other way on this. How could individual cases over years, in different stores, with different management, different circumstances be looked at as a class action? How many were legitimate?

One class action would be far more costly. Not litigation costs, but settlement value.

All this is about, you silly ignorant libbies, is the amount of attorney's fees available to the plaintiff's lawyers. The actual women will not get any more or less. Their claims remain.

Again you all jump in and over react to a piece of information, without understanding what it means or why it is or is not important.

And that's why you all are so much fun. :)

Forrest. Trees. Someday...

Gee, Spanky, I just LOVE class action suits. Seems to me I have a drawerfulmof $15 dollar coupons for CDs, tires, oil changes, and the like, due to class action suits.

Me a a couple million others who were "represented" by lawyers who got millions.

Ain't the tort system great?

If it doesn’t take the case, it will go back to the San Francisco District Court for further proceedings and trial, which would likely be in 2012.

http://www.walmartclass.com/walmartclass_casedevelopments.html

It's my understanding that this isn't over,...But the corporatists have spoken, no doubt.

That's right Nojo - the class plaintiff get little, whereas the class attorneys make millions and millions.

The bigger issue was the Conception v. ATT ruling a couple of weeks ago. That is what the libbies here should have been talking about, but they are too clueless.

Hey Nojo - say something about Feisty - I want to see her head EXPLODE again. Man, that was really something. I don't know how you do it, but you clearly are in her head, and under her skin.

It's a full on cognitive dysfunction with her at this point.

Clara - going back as a decertified class. Now watch the class lawyers start to bail. The individual suits are not worth their time.

JoAnna:

The real losers in this are the sue lawyers. Seems they couldn't prove what they thought was true. In fact, it appears Wal-Mart did not discriminate.

I don't think this is what it proves. The decision only removed the group's right to prove it as a group.

Just like the state was unable to "prove" its case against OJ Simpson. Doesn't mean he didn't do it.

@ Spanky -- You wanted to know how Walmart could have discriminated against a million people. Funny ... I thought you were a lawyer. Certainly there was an anti-discrimination policy in place, but it wouldn't be the first time that having such a policy in place didn't stop discrimination. There are many unwritten codes and policies and attitudes that factor into discrimination. There are whole cultures of discrimination that you'll never find enshrined in a policy. In general, Walmart has a pretty poor record as far as discrimination goes. It's not that hard to imagine it, actually.

As all of you love to tell me about voter fraud, just because these women won't be allowed to prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

@no joe -- since the lawsuit was thrown out of court, just where do you suppose the lawyers would have gotten "millions" from? If they got paid at all, my guess is that they took a bath.

No AM - the issue is was the alleged discrimination all the same, for purposes of class certification.

From what I have seen the allegations are wide ranging, different claims, different policies, and a whole lot of different managers.

Each case goes forward. There just is not giant class to settle out of.

Oh, and I am a lawyer, and I presume you are and know something about class certification. As again, as a lawyer, with some understanding about class certification you certainly know that each plaintiff can still go forward, right AM?

Oh and AM as to your comment to NoJo re: payment - you do understand that the lawyers took it on contingency and that class certification happens at the start of the case, right?

Again the claims continue -they get paid at the end. "...I thought you were a lawyer." huh.

The supreme court is own by the corporatist pigs,who will put their own mother as a door greeter at walmart(with minumum wage & food-stamps)for GREED!...THESE WOMEN DESERVE BETTER TREATMENT! Welcome to walmart?............sheesh! Obama/Biden 2012

Ahh, look teb bag not still hasn't quite gotten it.

Poor little guy.

Hey AM, maybe if you explain it to him [the ramifications of class de-cert.] he might get it.

It makes me all warma nd fuzzy to see the little light bulbs go on.

Hey, Spanky, there is more.

The Court also ruled, 8to zero, against the states and flat earth societies in their attempts to get megabucks from power companies.

And even more- they refused to hear Acorn's appeal for federal funding for their dubious agenda. No word on the count.

So far, the count is country 3, extortionists zero.

All in all, a good day.

Ending pay discrimination has been a key issue for this Administration. That's the significance of the Lilly Ledbetter Law mentioned below in these posts, which was passed January 2009.

In 1963, women were paid on average 59 cents for every dollar earned by men. In 2009, at all levels of Education women earned 75% of their male counterparts, affecting women's pensions, savings and ability to provide for their families. Today, that figure is closer to 80 cents for women.

The Lilly Ledbetter law passed January 2009 by this Administration reaffirms that there are no second class citizens in this country and Obama pledged to crack down on equal pay laws.

In order to bring together the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), the Dept of Justic (DOJ), the Dept of Labor (DOL) and Office of Personnell Managment (OPM: The Obama Administration created the Not Equal Pay Enforcement Task Force. Federal entitities have not always consistently coordinated and enforced laws which prohibit pay discrimination, hence the need for the NEPETF.

Women and informed men, sign up on the WH Blog for the Council on Women and Girls (CWG) Friday Highlights. Also the WH Council on Women and Girls: www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/women-in-america.pdf

Spanky: As again, as a lawyer, with some understanding about class certification you certainly know that each plaintiff can still go forward, right AM?

Yes, I do, although I also know this significantly decreases the chances for all but the best few plaintiffs.

I'm also familiar with the concept of "pattern and practice" discrimination, which can involve different managers under different conditions. Sort of like a pervasive pattern of sexual harassment. Not always the same perpetrators or the same supervisors involved, or over the same time period. A wink-wink and an nod might easily sanction the a culture of discrimination at Walmart.

Oh and AM as to your comment to NoJo re: payment - you do understand that the lawyers took it on contingency and that class certification happens at the start of the case, right?

No, I'm not familiar with the fee arrangements because I haven't been following this case. Explain it to me, Spanky.

Again the claims continue -they get paid at the end.

Not necessarily. Where I come from it's customary nowadays for plaintiffs' attorneys to get non-refundable deposits up front, even in traditional "contingency" cases, so that they don't completely take a bath. They then do their darndest to earn those deposits whether the case goes forward or not, to avoid potential ethical issues, often leaving the poor plaintiff with nada, while the lawyers make out okay. Class decertification is likely to increase the odds that the lawyers would want some upfront money from any plaintiff who wanted to go forward. If you're right, and they've had no money so far, the well is, no doubt, getting mighty dry.

Hey AM, maybe if you explain it to him [the ramifications of class de-cert.] he might get it.

How could I POSSIBLY explain it better to Bag Boy than you could, Spanky? You're the lawyer, remember? I just play one on the TeeVee.

Backhouse:

The Lilly Ledbetter law passed January 2009 by this Administration reaffirms that there are no second class citizens in this country and Obama pledged to crack down on equal pay laws.

The proof of any pudding is always in the tasting.

Hey Backhouse, you do realize why controlling only for education levels vs pay is a very bad way to determine income inequality correct? Men still work more hours on average than women, work in more dangerous jobs, are willing to relocate more often, and generally take monetary considerations over quality of life considerations such as flex schedules and PTO.

@ Jesse ~ And for whose benefit do you suppose those women do all of their career sacrificing? And with whose approval and encouragement?

Maybe education isn't the only way, but it's one legitimate factor that has to be taken into consideration with everything else. For example, do you suppose that those with higher educations engage in dangerous occupations more or less often than those who do not have higher educations? So in your scenario, at higher income levels, that piece might reasonably fall out of the income equality equation altogether, and then you'd have to think about the other things. Like that sacrifice career for family thing that men still often ask women to do, even at higher education levels.

It all depends on which way you want to bend the facts, and which facts you bend, doesn't it?

Non-refundable deposits up front? If only!

That would never, ever fly around here AM.

Let's face it Class actions and particularly the certification aspect is very complex. I don't handle them. Ms. Spanky has, and I have a friend who only does wage and hour class action [dude makes huge bank]. But what I do know is this - the libbies around here miss the point/don't understand what the ruling was about. They knee jerk out crap about discrimination and women's rights.

The cases, individually all go forward. The merits of their respective cases are what they are. Their attorneys will now collect fees based upon the merits, not a windfall arising out of the size of WalMart.

Fundamental fairness wins. The class members were too different. Bad for your all's narrative, but that's just the way it goes.

The only question I have is when will they re-write the last sentence of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address to read "that government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations, shall not perish from the earth."

I have to be on the side of the people against WalMart. Thousands of Mom and Pop small businesses in rural areas all over the country have not been able to compete against this corporate giant and have gone out of business. So, you say that without WalMart thousands of jobs will be lost. Without stores in rural areas, thousands of small business owners and their employees have been put out of a job in favor of WalMart who provides millions of dollars to China for merchandise. I think our country is the loser when WalMart wins. This is the American way, but we all lose.

Jesse,

You are saying that men are better than women and that women don't deserve to make more.

You do know that these days, a higher percentage of women are the main household breadwinners.

I guess the gravy train will have to go elsewhere.

I find it incredible that the cases were presented in proper fashion. Oh, well. the Supreme Court takes good care of their support line, don't they?

Boycott Walmart. End of story.

White Collar Auto

So GM, by unanimous agreement that these people brought the wrong kind of class action suit, you imply that this court somehow politicized this result.

Please, how do you arrive at this conclusion?

So you agree to the political activist judges' advocating discrimination of women?

President Obama signed The Lilly Ledbetter, into law a powerful tool to fight discrimination.

Perhaps you should listen to what Lilly Ledbetter has to say...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog_post/AWonderfulDay

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Activist judges are in lockstep with the baggers and GOP to undue every accomplishment of our PRESIDENT. So tell me who's zooming who?

Nice job Bev! I don't suppose if you could tell us how the Ledbetter law relates to this lawsuit.

Bev?

Or is it your belief Obama is responsible for class action lawsuits?

Starting off on a very ignorant foot Bev. and it's only Monday morning.

I love it when you libbies spout off about legal issues. Always a conspiracy, even here where the issues are procedural.

Bev,

I figure someone spent a lot of time and money to get this case all the way to the Supreme Court, and no one on the Plaintiff's side said along the way - Hey guys, this doesn't pass the laugh test, we need to come at this from a different angle? (Don't think there was one as class action)

All nine judges said it was no good. I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, but try to follow along.

White auto, you got it.

So which is it Mamma? Your first comment or this one?

Court is wrong, or plaintiffs' attorneys stupid?

Or that Bev. can't read.

@Spanky

Nice job Bev! I don't suppose if you could tell us how the Ledbetter law relates to this lawsuit.

Please stop shooting fish in a barrel.

Spanky JD, Could you please tell me what is next following this procedural ruling by the courts? What is the recourse for the individual plaintiffs? Having been a plaintiff in a civil case against a Condo developer, I know it is all about attorneys fees for both sides.

I am not asking you for legal advise because that is what you sell. I an only asking for educated guess.

Thank you.

Bev likes to spout her mouth off......but she doesn't usually have many intelligent things to say!

MN Nice the class has been de-certified.

All the plaintiff retain their individual claims. They will be litigated as separate cases. Again sucks for the lawyers, but probably a good thing for most of the claimants.

Good point Drive By - sucks to be a worker bee.

Maybe you too can become an executive?

Maybe, Spanks. Hell, maybe some day EVERYONE of us can be a boss, and NONE of us be 'worker-bees'. That'd be real sustainable, wouldn't it?

Maybe, Spanks. Hell, maybe some day EVERYONE of us can be a boss, and NONE of us be 'worker-bees'. That'd be real sustainable, wouldn't it?

I dunno, you think Buzz has it in him? Figuring out what business to create, going to the bank and putting a business plan to together for the loan, throwing a 2nd and 3rd mortgage on the house to finance the business, knowing that the majority of businesses fail and you lose everything, working 100 hours week for virtually no pay to get the business started, dealing with hiring/firing of staff, comforming to government regulations at the federal, state and local levels. And, oh yes, you have to actually make something and sell it. And after 5-10 years, when the business is successful, you as the owner/excutive actually have the audacity to think you should make more than the workers.

Buzz: Hell, maybe some day EVERYONE of us can be a boss,

You choose to be what you are Buzz. In this country, that is still allowed.

Drive By goes through this identical argument about every other week. So sad really.

In real news the head of the ATF is getting sacked. Gun-Runner is making Obama and Holder go nuts. Big fun, right Drive By?

Spanky-

Drive By goes through this identical argument about every other week. So sad really.

In real news the head of the ATF is getting sacked. Gun-Runner is making Obama and Holder go nuts. Big fun, right Drive By?

On the contrary, Spanky-Gun-Runner it's driving the bigots over @ the Fear Factory aka FOX NOISE loco. The President said he didn't know how the guns got there.

Don't worry Breibart will investigate. He will dress as an immigrant pimp and probably have his ho dressed up too.

BTW: If the jobs don't provide a living wage and benefits how do do those thousands help pay the bills?

Joanna--Geez Louise, let me get out my violin. What a martyr.

Ok Bev, when the ATF guy gets sacked today or tomorrow you will apologize for your ignorance, right?

Sure you will.

I get you got Brietbart on the brain, but this is a huge issue. I want you to think Watergate. I see Holder going down. IT is that bad.

Oh and it was CBS that got this bad boy started.

"...money streams that can always pay the ever increasing taxes..."

Can someone tell me how much 'ever-increasing' taxes have gone up since the '50s? Anyone?? It must be a terribly oppresive amount.

JoAnnaSmith1

To bad the SC is out of the loop, and least from a Liberal point of view.

LADY SNIFF

YOU might wanna look into your Dracioan ways the next time you start looping a Liberal point of view.

Looks like Bev is digging into her thesaurus already.

Damn, this is going to be a great week.

Buzzy: Can someone tell me how much 'ever-increasing' taxes have gone up since the '50s?

You're right Buzz, now is the time to increase taxes on corporations. The God-less, Soul-less, Face-less entities that they are.

How many more people do you think they'll hire after their taxes are increased?

Spanky - Agreed......I looked in the Thesaurus and I am still having difficulty finding Bev's use of "pecker checker". Ha!Ha!Ha!

"How many more people do you think they'll hire after their taxes are increased?"

I'm going to go out on a limb, here, and guess "as many as they hired when Bush reduced their taxes". What'd I win??

I'm going to go out on a limb, here, and guess "as many as they hired when Bush reduced their taxes". What'd I win??

How about the Teapubicans holding the country hostage last winter?

All we heard was they wouldn't hire until the Bush Tax Cuts were extended due to 'the uncertaintly'.

Well, we paid them their ransom so where are the freaking J O B S?

Feisty and Drive By - explain the NLRB lawsuit against Boeing.

Drive By? Thousands of jobs created in South Carolina and what did Boeing get?

Oh yeah, a bug fat lawsuit.

So Feisty who's holding who hostage?

As long as we keep passing taxes, fees, Obamacare, and regulations on the backs of US business, we won't have any jobs. A left wing agenda and more new jobs just don't mix.

Boeing? NLRB?? Irrelevant, as usual- the statement was:

"All we heard was they wouldn't hire until the Bush Tax Cuts were extended due to 'the uncertaintly'".

Well? Where ARE the jobs?

I believe its spelled Draconian! I mean if your going to pretend to be a big girl...... you may want to spell it correctly!

Oh Drive By, trying to pretend to be a big boy. But seriously what do you know about what is and is not relevant about job creation? You have never created one, and are but a "worker bee."

But to your silly point - Boeing created a butt-load of jobs. To reward it the NRLB sued it. You think getting sued creates a tad bit of uncertainty? You bet it does.

The jobs are in South Carolina. Thousands of them. Too bad Boeing got sued.

And again big boy the Bush tax cuts expired, by operation of law. Obama created new tax cuts, he just copied Bush's.

The fact that little knowledge nugget is beyond you speaks volumes of your understanding of the world, which is, umm, very limited.

DBO

Have you seen the 2010 Budget? How about the 2011 Budget? Have you heard of Continuing Resolutions? How about the Debt Ceiling? Have you ever heard of PRIORITIES? Can you say THANK YOU DEMOCRATS?

And don't forget the DEMOCRATS control 2/3 of the Gov't.

"But to your silly point - Boeing created a butt-load of jobs. To reward it the NRLB sued it. You think getting sued creates a tad bit of uncertainty? You bet it does."

So then- the NLRB sued ALL the companies in the country that are claiming 'uncertainty', and that's why no jobs? See- no relevance to the taxes v. jobs debate. Why do you keep insisting on using this foolish (and yes- boring) tactic in your arguments??

(BTW- it isn' the companies that are claiming 'uncertainty'- it's a favorite phrase used by the right-wing politicians themselves....)

Slodon

'Control' is pretty loosely applied here, no?

Ah, but alas Drive By tis you that keeps up with the "where's the jobs" meme. Relevant factors in deciding to hire include taxes, marginal tax rates, and about a million others, including potential for future lawsuits.

As as usual you are flat wrong - even Imelt from GE was complaining about uncertainty.Oh and now Boeing is a tad touchy on the subject, but you get that, right?

Clara

May I remind you that the DEMOCRAT have the MAJORITY in the Senate and the PRESIDENT is a Democrat.

slodon

I get the TECHNICAL accuracy; but given the propensity for obstruction and the secret holds and the bastardized 'filibuster',...I still think CONTROL is a strong word.

Only in GOP land of this and last Congress does 50+1 NOT equal a majority. They were ALL too happy to pass bills under reconciliation when they were in power; but now they won't even vote for cloture,...

Good and interesting times, no?

Straight up NewDay. Too bad your libbie brethren are programmed to demonize all large corporations.

Tell your gal Feisty.

Oh hey and I was read this morning what Fiesty had to say about NoJo's husband and family members yesterday. About how he was out cheating on her, and she basically had to hold a gun to his head for sex. Appalling stuff.But worse yet, it was all supported by you.

So now that it appears that that kind of thing is cool around here NewDay - how is your husband today?

Say, Spanks- how's that new job of driving the 'blog-o-sphere pace-car' treating you today? Pretty well, it seems. Ah, your divine taste and judgement of public commentary is both refreshing and impressive, to say the least.

Spanky-

Straight up NewDay. Too bad your libbie brethren are programmed to demonize all large corporations.

Tell your gal Feisty.

Oh hey and I was read this morning what Fiesty had to say about NoJo's husband and family members yesterday. About how he was out cheating on her, and she basically had to hold a gun to his head for sex. Appalling stuff.But worse yet, it was all supported by you.

So now that it appears that that kind of thing is cool around here NewDay - how is your husband today?

There you Go... Down The Memory Hole Again!!!

If I'm not mistaken you were the #1 boss Pecker Checker during the Weiner-gate. You are truly a laugh a stroke; keystrokes that is.

Drive By - I suggest you go back and read Feisty's comments on the article from last Friday. It was bad when I left on Friday - her flat out personal attacks on NoJO.

But then it got worse over the weekend. Have you seen the comments? About NoJo's husband, granddaughter, sex life?

Do you condone Feisty's personal attacks?

Bev - "Pecker Checker"??????........really?.....now THAT is classy.............

Hi Beverly! Hope things are well where you are.

Spanky: this is starting to feel like harassment. Knock it off. You are now on ignore.

Nice try at 'redirecting', there, Spanks. Doesn't matter if I condone her or not. Doesn't matter if I read her comments or not. My point in that pace-car post was: who made YOU the arbiter of who gets to say what?

Well?

NDD. Thanks for your honesty.

Right back at you, lisa s!

Drive By - so that's a have no spine to call out Feisty for being a disgusting human. Too bad, I really did think you were better than that.

As for pace car stuff - it is as you say - you do not have to read my, or anyone else's posts. I post for amusement. You are amusing. interpret as you see fit. I am, after all the "pecker-checker." I rule!

NewDay - I'm harassing you, yet what Feisty did was OK? Huh. NewDay, how is you daughter today? See, that's what Feisty harped on NoJo about. Not cool, right? Of course it isn't - even Drive By cannot defend that crap.

Well if I'm on ignore then you can't be harassed, right? Cool. Pathetic, but you do what you have to do.

This site has become the most disgusting site I visit. The moderators here have allowed a few lunatics to ruin what used to be a good forum for exploring multiple perspectives.

The anger, mistrust and flat out lack of respect displayed by these few is absolutely criminal. They attack EVERYONE that is not a member of their little clique.

You evil people know who you are. And so does everyone else. I feel sorry for you.

DBO

Looks like the pace car has left the track.

I support Feisty Redhead and I'm NOT AFRAID TO YELL IT LOUD AND PROUD!

PS. Lots of crap gets unloaded on Fridays, Spankster,...

Good to know Clara - your family is also fair game then, correct. That's what Feisty did - went after NoJo's family.

So Clara how is you husband? Has anyone had to put a gun to his head to have sex with you?

See how disgusting that is? Yet that is what you support, in a "LOUD AND PROUD" way. Terrific.

That doesn't make it right Clara.

The problem is that this is no longer a forum for debating ideas. It has become the hood and the ANGRY homies are poppin' caps in everyone's ass who doesn't wear the right colors.

Go figure.

Well, Spanky, I'd say if I was offended by that comment I was probably too thin skinned to be a flame thrower for all things RIGHTEOUS, eh?

Please tell me you haven't deigned yourself the Holier than Though Police? Really? I mean NONE of your Weiner comments were out of bounds? m'kay.

And SOB,...you have been the SOUND of silence while people have come through the neighborhood with spray paint and you NOW expect me to believe you are OUTRAGED?

You two will have to flip a coin to see who wins FR arbiter for the day.

What is it your side says all the time with a straight face? Doesn't matter, it isn't honest or real anyway. If it weren't for fauxtrage, your side would have no 'rage' at all.

Way to show your colors there Clara!

Obviously only those who sport blue paint are allowed to show outrage... right?

It appears to me that YOU are one of the few... the proud... the problem.

(BTW... it's not rage that I am showing for you and your homies.... it's disgust!) Now crawl back into your hole you bottom dweller!

I support Feisty Redhead and I'm NOT AFRAID TO YELL IT LOUD AND PROUD!

I don't know why I get a mental picture of these junk yard dogs refusing to quit chewing on the last piece of grizzle!

All the POUTRAGE and FAKE indignation is amusing!

They're past actions condone comments where I'm referred to as a 'festering ass pimple' and such!

Hel -l not only do they vote on it they pile on with comments!

STUFF you're better than thou bullsh!t!

No ONE is buying the defective merchandise YOUR peddling!

You do get the difference between a Weiner jab and a personal attack, right?

But it now appears you get it. Personal attacks directed at you are not so much fun. So, still "LOUD AND PROUD" your girl Feisty.

I think not. Good for you Clara. It's ok, it'll be our little secret.

"Drive By - so that's a have no spine to call out Feisty for being a disgusting human. Too bad, I really did think you were better than that."

You did it AGAIN! EIther you are ignorant, can't read or both. Let me repeat- the comment is not about "do I condone Feisty", or "do I havde a spine". The goddamned point was- who put you in charge of who posts what. Now, one more time- Who the hell are YOU- anyone? Anyone that matters??

Sheesh!

Anyone that matters??

Uh - that would be 'negative'!

Once they clean up their own back yards - maybe they'll regain a shred of credibility!

Then again, tea baggers are well known for sticking their pointy little noses into EVERYONES bizness!

Especially, womens...

"....crawl back into your hole you bottom dweller!"

Uh, we need a ruling, here, counsellor. What you want us to do with this one?

Thanks, dbo, my initial reaction, as well.

chum me some more bottoms to dwell upon, will ya'?

Can do. Sorry I missed your comment last Friday- must have been out fraudulently billing a client or someone.

SickoftheBickering: Both sides, right and left contribute to the "noise" on FR. I would respect what you say if you are calling both sides out. Wasn't that long ago I was called (help me here, Feisty, this is what JS1 said?) a bag of pus.

Yes, NDD, both sides do it; but when MY side does it, it's okay.

And if THAT doesn't sum this sucker up, nothing will.

(kind of like both sides have FACTS; but only MY facts matter,...only a little less comical because NO ONE ELSE IS ADMITTING FAULT,...just pointing it out for the OTHER side to recognize!)

NDD... I am sorry to here that you have been victimzed here... but we have all felt that sting. And yes... I am SickOfTheBickering FROM BOTH SIDES!

I do tend to look at things from a more conservative view point but I still respect those who are able to discuss differences in a civil tone.

The problem is that this site is filled with people who's first instinct is to lash out in anger and personal attack. You have to admint... some of the things posted by a couple of individuals here, are outright disgusting.

Yet the moderators allow them to insult and attack at will.

It's true Clara, and I get tired of that getting aimed at people who are progressives. At least be honest about it.

Thanks you for your most civil response SickoftheBickering. If you read what Spanky posts above, you will see that we can be victimized too. So let's you and I enter into a pact, and see if we can draw both sides in. I will be courteous to you, you be courteous to me, and maybe we can learn from each other. It starts with us, don't you think?

The problem is that this site is filled with people who's first instinct is to lash out in anger and personal attack.

Appers present company is included! Remember this little gem?

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Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

Sick b@stards like your self, who SAW it - had to go L@@KING for it...

Hey Feisty... FU TOO! You sympathizing @!$%#! I have had about enough of your @!$%# on this vine.

I did not go looking for it... It was posted shortly after it happened (not in its entirety) on all the major MSM websites... if not portions of the video... stills photos. The point is that THEY saw it and revelled in it!

Those freaks believe in an "eye for an eye" so its our turn to poke them in the eye... but our Muslim loving boy in the white house will have none of that now will he!

#1.38 - Wed May 4, 2011 1:16 PM CDT

All one has to is go to your homepage and see that just about every comment out of the gate from you is a PERSONAL assault! Right down to nitpicking on spelling errors! lol

Like I said SAVE you self-righteous BS for someone who might buy it! It won't fly around here!

And yes NDD - I remember you being called that!

Feisty...

First... lets get something straight... that was YOU calling ME a "Sick B@st@rd"... so I told you "FU"

I listen to you and Bev rail on people with your smug attitutes and poor spelling... (and nasty comments) and I lose it once in awhile.

So yes... I am guilty as charged... I am HUMAN!

So cast your stones! But remember... you are no better. Some might say you are much worse with the way you treat people.

NDD... Count me in.

I will. Let's give it a try.

I only make negative comments about those who are what I consider extremist negative people..Feisty is the Royal Flush of negativity and unoriginality and certainly personality..the truth for some is a bitter pill

But how does that make what you say right? Feisty is actually the most attacked person on FR. If it is all right for you to call her names, is she supposed to just say thank you? Honestly, you can't have this both ways. What will YOU do to improve this site MRHGI?

Well NewDay..I didnt claim to be right I said what I consider to be..so just my personal opinion..if you think she is all snow white and innocent ..then unfortunate for you..she is close minded when people disagree with her. you think she is the most attacked person just as a random event..NOOO!!!!!!..U want to make the site better..dump the midwestern hags!!!

Gee, that would include me. If you are allowed to express YOUR opinion as a vehement personal attack, I have trouble understanding what your complaint is.

Hey looks like you all are actually starting to grasp the issue at hand.

You all want to make fun of ME, Bash ME, call ME out - no problem. In fact I enjoy the discourse. What I don't want to see is what Feisty did to NoJo.

See Feisty didn't limit her comments to NoJo. Feisty makes fun of, calls out and generally always goes off on anything NoJo says. But here Feisty went after her husband and less directly her grandchild.

Personally attacking me is bad, unwarrented on this forum and just silly given the context, but attacking my wife and family?

There is no excuse. IT cannot be justified and I am confident that you all know that and are very disappointed in Feisty. Of course she will never understand that. It only matters that you do.

Newday, GF, you're free to choose your battles; but in this VERY thread, your new BFF called me a bottom dweller.

I guess that was a momentary lapse in character because of my ATTACK nature and personality? And now I guess I am an extremist negative person?

News flash to me. I am a LOYAL friend and I don't care what Spanky, SOB, JAS or the rest of the lot say - when they want to fling crap - they've flung it,...and now they want to stand in some solidarity stance with NOJO of all people. Well I'm sorry; but I am calling BS on their crap. Again, if they can't stand the heat - GTFO of the kitchen.

And thanks for calling out Mister Hag 1. I guess JAS let him off his leash today?

New Day...u dont get it..I am not making complaints..I am making statements regarding the low gene pool in Feistys family and the reason why it causes her to be bitter and a sad sad person..sorry to have included u in the Mid western hags comment..that I apologize to U for Feisty..that comment still stands..I have not attacked anyone on this vine till i spent several days reading Feistys CRAP..then I had to say something

CLARA...unless your name is Feisty..I dont consider u an extremist negative individual...:)

But you'll stand by the midwestern hags comment? Okay, good to see you have principles.

LMAO...CLARA I should clarify my comments are directed towards Feisty...I hereby retract the midwestern hags comment from everyone but Feisty..I apologize to all midwestern folk..but Feisty.. I should have said midwestern hag..so it was singular..my bad

MRGHI: Look, Feisty is my friend. I always will stand by my friends. Not afraid to talk to her if I disagree. But, if you go back through the posts, you will find that she is attacked daily,by folks on the right who disagree with her politically, but make it personal. Fairness demands that you can't have this both ways. If you want to call Feisty names, you can't really expect her to sit back and not respond. If you want a more civil discourse, it begins with you. You can put Feisty on ignore, and then you don't have to read what she says. What I find is that most people, right or left, like to find out what she is up to. Admit it, don't you too?

But, I do appreciate the apology and accept it.

Rats, Clara, I missed the bottom dweller comment. Darn it.

missed the bottom dweller comment.

It's alright JS1 have already sunk her fangs into it and it repeating it!

Not an orignal thought amongst them... I say! lol

I am not going to point to any specific monikers; but just in the recent two days of posts I've seen:

Fisty Redhead, Redhead in Drag, I believe someone implied that she carpet munches,...that was on Friday, if I recall.

I'm just sayin' - selective outrage is, well, all the RAGE. We all have thick skins around here. So I don't care if you call me a hag or whatever. And I don't care if you bring my family into it. They know the truth, so have at it; but stop with the clutched heart and the spinning circles of "how dare she". She dares because she has bigger balls than most and she's seen a lot in her years. I am loyal to her because together we've seen a lot in our 3 1/2 years on this board. I assure you,...the pious outrage isn't going to stop and neither are her ascerbic comments. If it's going to send you to "Elizabeth" (channeling my best Sanford & Sons) every time she makes you cringe, you probably ought to put her on ignore.

As for me, I am LOYAL to my friends and I have a memory (and sadly an ass) like an elephant, so I can assure you that Feisty's comments to NoJo, while blunt - were totally INBOUNDS given some of the things NoJo has said over the years. She plays the victim quite well; but you'll see, over time - it's an act - and not even an award winning one at that. Hopefully, in a couple more days - you'll wonder why you were defending here. That's usually about the amount of time it takes for her 'charm' to wear off.

Apology accepted; but I stand with Feisty.

Ok NEWDAY..I guess I need to clarify some other things..I am not demo,repub.left right,no political party affiliation at all..so this has ZERO NOTHING NADA to do with Feistys political views.. and thus I dont have to have it both ways I could F'ing care less..this is about her conduct on here and how she treats people..thats it and thats all... glad u stand by your friends..she probably needs all she can get....

But, do you see that you are doing the same thing? I don't want to beat a dead horse, but I just wonder about it.

CLARA...I have no idea who NOJO is so not defending anyone on here..I have no affiliation with anybody or anything

Newday...I am doing the same thing..u are spot on.

Fair enough, MRHG1,

I take you at your word. You did make me laugh today,...Keep it real. That's all I ask.

Good catch Noid - now can you explain what that means to Chilled?

Nothing to do about inequality towards women. Nothing to do with the merits of the case.

Poor Chilled, so eager to see bogeymen where they don't exist.

Another huge defeat for Unions and their lawyers. Don't fear they have stacked the NLRB with union lawyers. They will think of something.

It was unanimous in saying that the women brought the wrong kind of class action suit, improperly mixing questions that can be decided in a class action -- such as whether to order the company to stop discrimination -- with issues that must be decided for each individual, such as how much back pay to award.

The Court has turned into a bad joke.

It's not just the court anymore - Thomas's tea baggin wife is now involved:

It looks like Justice Clarence Thomas has a bit of a memory problem, and when combined with Ginni Thomas' lobbying efforts, a picture emerges of a deep ethical problem corrupting the highest court in the country.

The video above outlines Virginia "Ginni" Thomas' relationship to Liberty Central and Liberty Consulting. They suggest that Liberty Consulting is a front for Liberty Central, but I'm not sure about that, since the two organizations still keep separate websites, and one is for-profit while the other isn't.

What is clear, however, is that there is direct intent to cloak both operations behind a veil of secrecy while one of our Supreme Court justices takes up questions that deal directly with the very same issue. That's problem #1.

Problem #2 is a little stickier. While we knew that Justice Thomas did not disclose his wife's income from the Heritage Foundation and Liberty Central for the past six years, as was required, it seems that non-disclosure stretches back farther than that.

For twenty years, Clarence Thomas has not disclosed his wife's income, nor the source of that income. Twenty years.

Up to now, Justice Thomas has simply shrugged off his failure to disclose his wife's income and sources as a mere oversight, despite the fact that he "forgot" for 20 years. But what if it were intentional? ProtectOurElections.org has a theory that he didn't disclose her income or source because he might have been challenged for recusal due to conflict of interest. In fact, from 1993-1998, Virginia Thomas worked for Dick Armey.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CDYQFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2Fkaroli%2Fclarence-thomas-forgot-20-years-disclosure-&ei=zFD_TbrxG4b20gGrv92NAw&usg=AFQjCNEL48qbFalY1CAURgL8Jt2fvnOrOg

If a sitting SCOTUS can't remember to do what is required by law, WHO can you trust?

Whoopsy!

Oh, and then there's Alito & his conflict of interest problems...

Lame

Hi Newday

I 'm fine thank you

I spent time with my 92 yr old dad this weekend. He is slick. He went downstairs and got out through the basement to go to the bank at 2: 00 AM. Luckily, a neighbor saw him and brought him back.

Oh no! I'm glad that your neighbor saw him! 92, God Bless him! Please give him my best!

The Supreme Court - once an honorable institution with the respect of the people...no longer has credibility

*stands & applauds*

Sadly, it's been sold to the highest bidder...

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

You wrote:

Sadly, it's been sold to the highest bidder...

Please, on exactly what factual information are you basing this astounding claim. The discredited Think Progress opinion piece which Navy posted earlier?

Due tell, how has the SCOTUS been sold to the highest bidder?

crickets?

If you read alot of her posts..its usually crap she gets from other sources that she spews out ..not all of course but alot of it

boy, the righties can't seem to get their stories straight today:

Either Feisty is unoriginal and a Cut and Paste artist OR

She is SO original that she has undiplomatic immunity,...

Boy, it would be GREAT if someone could just sort it all out so the whiners can move onto their next shiny object,...

Exactly Jrae!

And yes, Feisty... we ALL know how that "highest bidder" business went down in the 2000 fiasco concerning Florida vote mis-counting. We are still paying for that one.

Clara KCMO..

Why are you answering for her.

Let her answer the question posed.

She made the comment, now answer.

Easy on Clara - Feisty cuts and pastes for political content and thought.

It's all her when it comes to personal attacks and name calling.

What are you new here?

Spanky, you're priceless. (in a funny, knee slapping way). Yes, Woim is brand spanking new. I mean since the ban last week that is.

"It's all her when it comes to personal attacks and name calling."

..and then Spanks makes it HIS business. What are you, new here?

Hey Groucho,

Wow, is this the first time collapsed?

thetotas

Yep...guess I'm not a virgin anymore.

Hey, did you see that that some other posts were deleted but Feisty's is still there.

doublea1 was deleted. No matter what he said,it can't be as bad as what Feisty posted.

He's gone and she's immune.

That's a bunch of bull. What ever happen to consequences?

There are no consequences for her for some reason. None what so ever.

I will never figure it out.

Have a good night.

Groucho if you don't know what he said then how do you know it wasn't as bad as Feisty's comment? Anybody can get collasped, deletion is something quite special.

PS I can just imagine Mrs. Marx saying to you, as you sputter at the computer, "Let me get this right, an internet poster with the moniker Fiesty Redhead said something inflammatory... and ... this surprises you?"

Amy, you crack me up!

Amy you are too much, that is good lol. Sometimes some things are lost on certain people.

Maybe you are right, those justices who voted in the minority were bought off for their vote in this case. Otherwise, it may have been a unanimous decision on both parts.

For the person whining about WHAT subjects Fox Viewers are misinformed about,...

I give you MytJoe2134,...

Perhaps you should read up on the scope of grievances there, champ. It might make sense; but I doubt it since you've already predisposed Wal Mart's INNOCENCE in all things Labor related.

Let's just say I dissent with your assessment and leave it at that.

Actually, I don't watch FOX. I got my info from the Penn and Teller show Bullsh!t. It actually supports it's statements and proves that most of the "grievances" have to do with the fact that WalMart are based on their anti-union stance. It also picks apart the 2 "documentaries" regarding WalMart's "evil" policies.

Other than that, no company is 100% free of grievances. Things have to be taken on a case by case basis. A class action saying that they are against women is an asinine on it's face. That's one of the reasons the justices threw it out.

The fact that you are refusing to see the other side of their benefits proves to me that you're part of the crowd that finds it easy to pick on the lower class marks that shop there affordably and insists on believing that just becasue it's big, it's evil... just like a good left wing drone likes to think.

See, I can do it too. Give my regards to Soros, Olberman and Garofalo...

umm, no, they could care less about the jobs. Limbaugh told them to be angry about anyone who would dare call out Wal Mart and like good little soldiers,...they are marching lock step to His orders.

You know, the Limbaugh Legions are so the rage this year.