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Subscribe to RSSNEW ORLEANS -- Ron Paul won the straw poll here at the Republican Leadership Conference overwhelmingly with 612 votes, drawing big boos and some quieter chants of "Ron Paul." Jon Huntsman finished a surprising second with 382 votes, despite being a late scratch because of a "bad cold." Michele Bachmann was third with 191 votes.
Herman Cain was fourth with 104 votes. Mitt Romney, the presumed front runner, who won the straw poll here a year ago, faded to fifth with 74 votes. Tim Pawlenty finished with just 18 votes, fourth from the bottom of the 12-person ballot, just ahead of Gary Johnson (10), Buddy Roemer (9), and Rep. Thaddeus McCotter (2).
Paul’s ardent followers packed the ballroom here before, during, and just after his speech, but they were barely seen listening to other speeches. They have organized to win straw polls at many other conservative events as well.
Romney, who did not attend this year or last, was criticized here for not signing onto a legislative pledge from anti-abortion-rights group Susan B. Anthony List. The group released the list of presidential candidates who signed onto the pledge yesterday afternoon. Most signed on; Romney did not.
That drew an attack from Rick Santorum:
"This past Monday night at the Republican Presidential Debate, I was asked about Governor Romney's pro-life conversion, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt," the former Pennsylvania senator running for president said in a statement."I apparently spoke too soon. It is incredibly disappointing that Governor Romney chose not to defend those who cannot defend themselves."
Romney's campaign responded in a statement to First Read this way:
"Governor Romney pledged in the last campaign that he would be a pro-life president and of course he pledges it today. However, this well intentioned effort has some potentially unforeseen consequences and he does not feel he could in good conscience sign it. Gov. Romney has been a strong supporter of the SBA List in the past and he looks forward to continue working with them to promote a culture of life."
A Romney adviser said on background that the SBA language goes too far, and would cut off funding to VA hospitals:
"The language in the pledge is to 'permanently end all taxpayer funding of abortion' (which the Gov. supports) but then goes on to say 'and recipients of federal funds with affiliates that perform or fund abortions' -- which you can see is very over-reaching and would include hospitals across the country."
The results:
Paul 612
Huntsman 382
Bachmann 191
Cain 104
Romney 74
Gingrich 69
Palin 41
Santorum 30
Pawlenty 18
Johnson 10
Roemer 9
McCotter 2
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This group is downright scary.
You should be scared... very scared! Obama is going to lose to one of these people and that will be a happy day! Then what will you liberals do? I already know... You will round the wagons and start your attack mode, full force! You are long on attacks but short on any meaningful discussions.
You mean like the Republicans?
Brianb- can't agree with you more! Geno, more hard hitting facts from the left...
I dunno geno... do republicans attack? I wouldn't know because I'm not republican.
heartlight, what is scary? try and put some substance into your post....
Ahhhh, you have to love the Ron Paul folks. Long on emotion, deficient in knowledge, particularly on the Constitution. Ron Paul is unelectable, but hopefully his little minions will keep pushing him forward. But, in the meantime, I suppose it is a kindness to allow them their fantasy. I have always been convinced that the Libertarians live in fantasy land anyway.
What is more interesting is that Romney has refused to sign the Susan B Anthony anti choice pledge. Domenico: what affect will that have with the Republican anti choicers? Has he now made himself a pariah amongst the right wing true believers that hold the Republican party hostage?
Newday, now that you are done with your opinion, can you give us some examples that back up your opinion...
I am a lifelong republican and I don't see any one of those candidates beating Obama. The GOPis coming apart at the seems and the dems are standing back laughing at us. From one stupid self serving bitch to a washed up former speaker of the house who now has his wife making all his decisions for him, it is laughable. We could try what the catholics did digging up old john paul and maybe dig up ronnie. I'll take a dead Reagan over palin any day. Get used to Obama, we deserve him.
Hey all... I just conducted my own straw poll. Here are the results:
Any Republican: 1
Obama: 0
I realize this isn't scientific, but when I polled myself, it was evident that any republican was better than Obama.
Yeah, madkaw, folks love being unemployed, paying $4 for a gallon of gas, $3 for a loaf of bread, skyrocketing costs for both medical treatment and insurance, unrestricted immigration, and three stagnant wars.......Obama's a real shoo-in for reelection.
I don't expect that YOU know much about the Constitution, Markie: Let me make this simple for you: Ron Paul views the Constitution as a libertarian document. It is not. It was the most liberal idea of its day, designed to answer Aristotle "Can free man rule free man." Further, he pretty much gets tangled up in what he actually believes: on one day, proposing that people should have the right to run their own lives without interference, and then trying to interfere in such things as gay marriage, abortion, those things that families should be able to decide for themselves without trying to please a rather nasty man.
His view of our position in the global village is, well, the kindest term would be naive, the word I would use for it is dangerous. I would hate to live in a country that Ron Paul had charge of, he would not recognize the limits on the power of the Presidency, and advances that have been made for human rights would evaporate. And don't get me started on prayer in schools. The man is clueless about the Wall of Separation that Jefferson wrote about in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. But you live on in Paul Fantasyland, a great place to visit for those of you who have NO understanding of this country, but I would certainly HATE to live there.
Nero Played The Fiddle While Rome Burned. Our Leaders Play Golf While Americans Starve. If you have had enough of this gather at the Federal Court Houses on 6-25-11 and join other Americans to demand change. Demand not another American will starve, go homeless, go without medical care while the leaders send billions to other countries. Demand our Jobs be brought back. Demand the end to senseless and costly wars to protect others while Americans live in danger. Demand our Borders be protected, demand our immigration laws be enforced.
Gather at the Federal Court Houses on 6-25-11 and show these Politicians we are through with lies and excuses while people suffer here at home. Mr.Obama is big on Social Change through Social Media in other Nations let's show him it can work here as well. On 6-25-11 Americans will either take their country back or we will find out it is already lost and there is no hope. Have you had enough of the insanity?
We Have quit posting!
You people do not know squat about Ron Paul, and anybody is electable at this point. Some would argue that even foreigners now qualify. And I love this statement:
So does everyone else. That's the whole point to an election; get the most votes.
Paul probably is unelectable because the war machine and the drug war machine will try to kill his chances.
Stopping our insane military spending , and our drug war spending and the budget is almost balanced
When W took office we had a balanced budget...what was it when he left. You morons make me sick. If Obama balanced the budget brought gas prices to .10 a gallon, stopped all wars, the ignorant folks would just keep on hating. Ignorance does not want the truth, just the hate.
This is a post from one of those lifetime Republicans..... madkaw3
He sounds like a GOP guy very conservative.
Be advised that liberals are now trying to lie in as Republicans. I guess it is caused by them not actually having any real thought process for themselves. From where I come from we call this type of person a Lemming..
Another interesting little fact.
Obama Administration Setting Up Fake Social Network Profiles To Spread Propaganda
Why would they do that? It's a neat trick using federal funds for propaganda. Very Nazi like. Yep Democrats really care. You guys need to clean your party and get it back.
source
http://slapblog.com/?p=9736
The behavior of the creatures in Lemmings is based on the supposed behavior of real lemmings, who by urban legend are believed to go on migrations en masse that eventually lead to disaster.
The Republican candidates are in a Race to the Ridiculous!
"A Romney adviser said on background that the SBA language goes too far, and would cut off funding to VA hospitals: "
As a life-long straight-ticket Democratic voter, I have completely and utterly gotten behind Ron Paul, because he is THE ONLY candidate who is addressing the CORE issues tearing this country apart.
So while some of you just want to bitch and moan about Republican this or Democrat that, the rest of us are going to put all that sh1te aside and get on with doing our best to repair this broken system.
First point of business is to END THE FED.
Until our monetary policy and the machines behind it are eradicated, NOT A DAMN THING will change, nothing you want as a Democrat or Republican will EVER HAPPEN as long as the powers that be keep operating this country as their personal slave labor camp.
Bill - if we all give up because we think the best candidate is unelectable, then the war machine has already won. If we give up, it's only because the war machine has beaten us down so long we think we are powerless to change anything.
If you give up, you are right - you are powerless. But that was your responsiblity, not anyone elses.
The electorate has become so polarized that it matters little who wins. Intolerance only loses. Our nation was built on respect and tolerance for the ideas of others. It is going to ruin because that ethic of working together despite our differences has almost disappeared. Both sides are at the extremes.
spider:
the only thing on your list that you can actually blame Obama for, is joining NATO in backing the rebels in Libya.
You better be prepared for 4 more years of Obama, if those are the best candidates you can come up with.
Ron Paul is the only one in the straw poll that has good ideas.
Unfortunately, he seems like he is borderline senile sometimes(goes off on a kooky tangent). I also would be worried that his son Rand(a nut and bigot) would have an influence on his father's policies.
I'd bet that Ron Paul didn't sign the SBA pledge. He actually has some integrity.
Rep. Thaddeus McCotter? Thaddeus? Get to f outta here.
Progressives are in full attack mode now, because they are done with being Swift Boated or any other underhanded "strategery" -
Once Palin was exposed by Katie Couric in 2008, and extreme Tea Party candidates were exposed in 2010 (Three Tea Party videos all voters should see: Angle displays racial bewilderment, O'Donnell shows constitutional ignorance and Miller exposes his inner thug - http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joan_walsh/politics/2010/10/19/three_tea_party_videos_all_voters_should_see), all voters will do some digging and expose the 2012 candidates as well.
The Presidential Approval Ratings are pretty good considering the economy sucks. The American people know the Great Recession happened on Bush/Cheney's watch, and they know the recession has been so deep that it will take years to recover, way more than 2 and 1/2 years or even 4 years -- Thanks to Republicans who caused it, and are now obstructing recovery every way they can.
In the meantime, legislation is initiated in the House, which is controlled by Republicans with the largest majority in modern history. Yet the GOP/TP have done nothing to create jobs or to improve the economy except spew old, failed policies of the past. If the economy has an impact in the 2012 election, it may not favor the Republicans as they think it will.
This poll doesn't mean a damn thing.
True Patriot---good read.
I think we should legalize drugs, stay out of people's private lives, bring our military home, keep our Federal government to the Constitutional minimum, and let businesses take care of themselves. People say Ron Paul isn't electable. The reason they believe that is that he refuses to bow down and kiss the feet of the corporations that think they own this country. We, the voters, can prove them wrong.
Ron Paul 2012
Well, I might not be as educated as all you republicans with no money or democrats on welfare but my take is:
He wants to end the Fed
He wants all Illegals OUT
I will vote for him. Those are the two biggest issues facing us today. Move defense spending inward to controlling boarders and illegals. Kick the big dozen out that control the fed and end it..
Well, if you don't like the economy, don't blame Bush or Obama, you shouldn't have voted for Reagan where the destruction of working values and greed is good began.
I'll vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson over Obama. Any change is good because Obama wasn't much of a change.
I really don't think that the Republicans want to be in the White House in 2012. I don't think they wan't to be blamed for what we are about to see in our economy. By the end of 2012 term we will have OVER $20 TRILLION in debt and that will be disastrous for any president or political party in charge and the Republicans know that and guess who is going to be blamed for the collapse. The best thing the Republicans can do is NOT get elected to the White House come 2012. By the way I am NOT a Republican and don't care for both of them, they both are criminals. Our economy is UNSUSTAINABLE at this rate and we have NO other option but restart new.
Ron Paul first comes across as a reasonable man with practical and honest ideals that many of us would like to support at first glance. He then goes off the deep-end as soon as the spotlight catches his features.
Nobody wants to return to whites only diners or requirements to take a seat at the back of the bus unless you are the preferred skin color. Nobody wants big business free of regulations after the reaming of the American consumers and workers by mega corporations during the last 30 years. Nobody wants more billions of our treasury dedicated to corporations that are busily shipping even more of our jobs overseas.
Everybody wants a return to a simpler and easier life-time. A time of peace and prosperity enjoyed during the 50's. A time when the head of household worked one full time job to provide his family with a decent home and reliable transportation as his wife stayed home to care for the home and children. A time when annual family vacations across the nation did not break the family budget.
Would Ron Paul support a return to a top tax rate of 90% or more as in the 50's? Would Ron Paul return us to the days when many of the elderly must choose between food or life saving medication without Medicare? Would Ron Paul turn the other way as millions of poor American children perished by starvation in the Appalachians and inner cities with no safety net? Would Ron Paul find a way to reduce our 300 million population today back to a almost half that number?
Ron Paul's simple tunnel vision may make us yearn for simpler times, but that is not the world we live in today. Modern America must have a leader with clear vision of the future and the intelligence to lead us to prosperity with no foolish thoughts of taking us back in history. We can never go back. We will go forward bravely to a better world of our making or be dragged into a future of decay with clay feet. Progressive ideals and actions will pave the way to a brighter tomorrow.
Newday, I have a rounded education of the constitution, and the constitution is the delegation of power in the United States...it is meant to limit the power of government through checks and balances. The bill of rights also gives power to the people and not the government.
As for the Danbury Baptist letter, it was an attempt to stop government from putting their fingers in religion, not the other way around...The letter was written to Jefferson, and he backed the church!
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.[1] Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizations, all advocating minimization of the state and sharing the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom.
How is Libertarianism not found in the constitution?
Oh my gosh, you are so COMPLETELY wrong, Jefferson would laugh at you. There are two things that Jefferson worried about with regard to the beginning of this new nation. One was that the priests and pastors would take it over, the other was that corporations would. In case you didn't realize it, and I'm sure you didn't, the Revolutionary War was begun over the monopoly that the East India Tea Company held in the colonies. Jefferson did not want that to happen again. Moreover, he was so determined not to have the Federal govt. give imprimatur to religion that he did not declare a day of Thanksgiving, thinking it an anathema for the Federal govt to "order" citizens to pray. He was as disliked by the religious nutjobs of his day as the current President is, and Jefferson writes about how they worried about him being President. The letter to the Danbury Baptists most emphatically was NOT about stopping the govt from putting its fingers in religion solely, it was also the other way around. Jefferson DID NOT EVER BACK CHURCH INVOLVEMENT IN GOVERNMENT. EVER EVER EVER! That you say that shows how little you know.
They tried the limited government under the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work. That is why they moved to a more centralized government. You are simply wrong headed about this.
In its purest form, Libertarianism is anarchy. The Constitution was designed to be a liberal document, and for its day it was. We look back at it now, and wonder about not outlawing slavery, so clearly they weren't interested in freedom for everyone were they?
Quit listening to the right wing nut jobs on this: they are wrong and YOU are wrong.
Newday...you need to look up two words....Libertarian and liberal. They are not the same thing.
Who says the religious nutjobs hate Obama? The muslims love him.
Ron Paul doesn't know the constitution and Obama does? Give me a break! He is trampling the constitution. This week shows that with his refusal to obey the laws of the United States....and it's not the first time.
Thank you Joe. It's hard to get past the misinformation that people are sold...
Newday, take a history class! The articles of confederation ended up as the constitution...I guess you are part of the generation of now!
Joe: Of course the two words are not the same. That is what I was writing about. Go have someone re read that post to you and explain the big words. Mark: Why do you say that you have an education on the Constitution when you clearly don't? The Articles of Confederation did not end up as the Constitution. They are two separate theories of government. Your assignment today is to look up the word Federalism, and there will be a quiz on it later.
To anyone who has had interest in reading this, herein lies the danger. The Ron Paul groupies have a very superficial understanding of the Constitution and the traditions of this country. I wrote about Jefferson, the difference between liberal thought and libertarianism, what the Constitution is based on (going back to Aristotle) and what do I get back from the Paul people? NOTHING. Paul knows nothing about the Constitution except that which he wants to believe about it, his followers know even less. The most dangerous thing of all is when ignorant people believe that they know more than they do. It is delusion.
Ron Paul scares the NEO-CONS because he is actually a true Conservative. Both Party loyalist have been Conned into believing that somehow these people fight for them when nothing could be further from the truth. They fight for themselves and their own special interest, meanwhile sit back and watch you guys fight it out over idealism. These Politicians are not idealist, their Yuppies, they want money and power.
So which one of you is channeling Mr Jefferson? I mean how do you get intent out of reading words, At best its all subject to your own beliefs. The only thing I do know.....is that us Independents will elect the next president, both the right and left are minorities! I have a small email news letter that I send out to Independents, mostly I uses this site to show how each side treats each other. And by far the left uses the most vitriolic language and abusive behavior when it comes to pushing their point!
I want all of you to observe what happened. I wrote a post about the Constitution, and the dangers of what Paul purports to believe. The Paul groupies are so threatened by it that they collapsed it. It is frightening how little feedback the Paul groupies can take.
Both modern day Republicans and Democrats (past 30 years or so) have only continued corporo-governmentism in mind; they have no cares of what the moderates of both parties had worked for, conservative vs. liberal values that could be worked out together. They only self serve, are career welfare recipients that continue to sell out America and Her jobs to the corporo-invested, Fed Reserve interests.
Ron Paul may not be perfect, but I'm intently going to listen to and research this man, as he may be our best chance. No matter Blue or Red in office, in Clowngress.... we teeter on the edge of disaster, the only jobs coming home (mostly machining) are because others simple can't handle the quality end of things; NOTHING legislated towards such, really more of happenstance and good ole' American know how.
Team Bush f'd up royally, Team Obama did the same; over a year in, and nothing, NOTHING but healthscare change.... no work on jobs, economy, bringing jobs home.... just sat in the corners with their collective arms folded like school children. "Until you pass this, we're doing NOTHING else!". Any help for homeowners that really needed it, and didn't abuse, had no teeth and were voluntary programs. Increased war efforts, added war actions elsewhere...... America completely on the back burner.
Those that dissed Bush for the same corporate selling out, war mongering and disconnect with America and Her Middle Class woes seeing the similarities yet?
I'd give Paul and his ilk a chance, given some research..... I don't really see where he can do any worse considering all we EVER get is more, more, and more of the same.
Commonsense101---- you ask "Would Ron Paul find a way to reduce our 300 million population today back to a almost half that number?
I ask--- is that what you think should happen and how would you suggest that happen?
i have never herd ron paul make any statements like that. and that 90% tax rate on the rich????? do you really want that???? and why? do you know that if we taxed the rich at 100%, that money would run the government for about 3 months. ignore that part though, im much more interested in the population question. I like the population, what is the problem with it?
im open to different opinions. dont take it as an insult. any one else please share your thoughts.
newday
Jerfferson's reply to the Danbury Baptist reflects the First Amendment. Congress shall make no laws....
When Jefferson referred to the "wall of separation" he was speaking of state imposed religion. When did Jefferson warn of pastors taking over? Ron Paul said the constitution does not forbid prayer in school. That is true. Ron Paul said we should not intervene in another country's govt. That is true. Ron Paul says we should control our own currency as opposed to making a private bank rich selling us debt. That is true. Ron Paul says we should not be the world's policemen. That is true.
Judging from your post 1.11, you really don't know anything about Ron Paul. Here is his views on the "controversial" social issues:
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/05/06/Ron_Paul_on_Prostitution_Gay_Marriage/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGaBAb_oS84
The Constitution is a control over govt. Not the people. Ron Paul believes that. That is true.
Geez, this is getting silly, Doug. The govt. IS the people. Do you not know that? From Jefferson: "the clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of a government, have been a very formidable engine against civil and religious rights of man." Jefferson to Jermiah Moore 1800
And this: In every county and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot abetting him in return for protection to his own. Jefferson to Horatio Speers 1814.
And this: If the nature of..government were a subordination of the civil to the ecclesiastical power, I would consider it as a desperate for long years to come. Their steady habits will exclude the advances of information, and they will seem exactly where they have always been. And the clergy will always keep if they can. They will follow the bark of liberty only by the help of a tow rope. Jefferson to Pierrepont Edwards 1801.
There is much more, but I think you can get the drift. Jefferson thought that religion was between man and his God, and that it had no place in governance.
I have to say that newday is making a stronger case for his/her argument about what some of the founding fathers had in mind for our country, than most of you in here.
Yes Ron Paul has some good/sound ideas.
The problem is, he hasn't presented how he will be able to implement any of them.
Even if Paul were POTUS, he's still only one man. It's doubtful he'd be able to get enough approval(on both sides), and come up with a plan effective enough to pass thru legislation.
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Hey all... I just conducted my own straw poll. Here are the results:
Any Republican: 1
Obama: 0
I realize this isn't scientific, but when I polled myself, it was evident that any republican was better than Obama
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I see we have one more conservative clown to choose from. One thing I love about you brianb is we can always count on you to post something stupid.
newday
I agree with you that the intent of our constitution was to put power in the hands of the people. But that is no longer where the power lies. What the govt has evolved into is exactly what the founding fathers warned against. The govt is no longer the people. When govt claims the right to have armed agents kick in the door of innocent people without a warrant for the DOE then it has grown into an apparatus of tyranny. When govt conducts war at the whim of one man then it becomes the tool of tyrants. When unelected czars make policy in attempts to control the behavior of the populace then govt no longer serves or is controlled by the people. When govt fails in fiscal matters to the extent that debt enslaves it's future generations then it has taken the power from the people. Many more examples. You may say, "govt is the people" and be correct in a fashion. But you can also say the Libyan govt is people and be correct. Right? Qaddafi is Libyan? "The govt IS the people." You can say that about any govt.
Thank you for the quotes. My thoughts are you over dramatize the musings of Jefferson. I agree with you that Jefferson thought religion was a personal matter.
Lobo
You may be right concerning Paul only being one man. But I bet if he became President he would have a lot of converts in Congress once he got in. We just need to continue to weed out the poverty pimps and class warfare types.
And.......
Before I forget.......
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY!
When applicable.
Thank you for your most civil response, Doug Ponders, always pleased when that happens. No. I am not overemphasizing what Jefferson thought about Religion intruding into Govt. He is very clear about it. Do some reading about Jefferson, and you will find that I am right.
American Lobo: thank your for your support.
Uhhuh...and I just read your post on another thread saying it's the job of the taxpayers to pay for everyone's healthcare.
Seeing that you don't have a clue about the constitution or what this country was founded on, I'm guessing that your endorsement shows how truely ridiculous newday's posts are.
Then provide evidence that I am wrong Joe.
When did Jefferson warn of pastors taking over?
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813
Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
Joe:
Copy and paste where I said that "taxpayers should pay for EVERYONES health care".
I didn't say/write that. Maybe you ASSumed I was saying that. That must be it, right Joe? You are an ASSumer?
Love the straw pole. It is meaningless. Waiting for the first Republican primary where votes do count. In the meantime it is a funny read.
It might be a funny read now...but when the primary winner is picked out of this bunch, will you still be laughing?
The republican nominee is not even on this list and this straw poll is obviously flawed somehow, and yes, it's meaningless. But thank you liberal media and bloggers for trying to pick our nominee, but we got this and really don't need your "assistance".
Dear Puh-lease:
YES!
You got that right STexan. Shouts from the peanut gallery mean nothing. Their comments are completely asinine. The liberal media is preaching to their choir... good thing that's the church down the street!
Puh-lease, I will wait for each and every primary or caucus night when a winner is declared before I will know if I wlll laugh or cry.Or both.
I agree that the straw poll is likely meaningless.
I find it funny that STexan and Brianb are blaming the liberal media when it was the Republican Leadership Conference that had the straw vote. Trying to switch the focus and blame everyone else for the situation. You must be lame Fox News viewers.
Greg, you have swallowed the liberal presses BS hook, line, and sinker. The boos could hardly be heard over the applause. But this NBC reporter attempts to spin it into something that can give the mindless liberals hope. The lame ones are reporters like this that report what they want you to see as opposed to what actually happened. I suspect Obama will be pissing more of his supporters off as we get closer to the big vote in an attempt to save his Presidency. I voted for the man once, but never again. There are many more like me.
Just thought I would slip in ans wish Bachmann, Andy (Ann) Coulter and Palin a HAPPY Fathers day.
Bob, I think you've been making love to the wrong orifice for too long.
Look guys, I used to listen to Air America, and subscribed to Ed Shultz's show and supported Obama and Hillary. Then I started actually listening to what Ron Paul had to say and did my own legwork on finding out what he was talking about and stopped listening to Mainstream media. Fox is garbage and so is MSNBC. They are all of the same corporate interests that you all preach so much against yet you are so quick to believe their spin. Why? I did a lot of soul searching and it was hard to break from my old logic, but I have no doubt in my mind that the individual freedoms that Ron Paul talks about is best for everyone. What is wrong with letting people do as they wish so long as it does not harm someone else?
Most of the regulations out there that you love are hurting the little guy, the monster companies get away with murder because they can afford it and the small companies go brankrupt because they can't handle the cost of all the paperwork. How many of you would start your own company if you didn't have all the government paperwork and licenses and everything else?
The government is there to protect the freedoms of the people, and that means protecting the people against FRAUD. All of these other regulations give you a false sense of security.
We live in an age of information, why do we depend so much on government to protect us from evil companies? How many of you have googled a product for a consumer review? Word of mouth, boycotts, not patronizing certain establishments are all within OUR power. If I get a bad haircut from somewhere, guess what? IM NOT GOING BACK... why do people need licenses to cut hair? Or licenses to be a florist? It's insane!
Please - don't just repeat what the MSM says, think for yourself. THere's nothing wrong with disagreeing, but at least KNOW what you're disagreeing with.
I'm pretty liberal. But in '88, I voted for Ron Paul because he made more sense than either Dukakis or Bush Senior. It may be thirty plus years later, but in his own radical way, he makes more sense than most of the current crop of Republicans. I can respect the Paulite wing of the Tea Party, but not the Palinite wing. The question is this: which wing will take power in the upcoming primary mudfest? I think I know which group Fox News would like to bed....
Hmmm...makes me wonder...my vote in this straw poll would have been an emphatic "no!"...
What is more funny to me is all the Obaman Denial and Nonsense.......one straw Poll Debate Or Confernece maybe.......but all of them since 2010?
ByThe Way Which Also Was When The Tea PartyFirst Cleaned Obama's Clock Remember? Nope the Nonsense They Spout Respout From Their Favorite Talking Heads Interferes with the Obaman Brain!
So Please Allow Me To Assist You All With Your Senility Issues........
Texas
Ron Paul Wins Presidential Straw Poll at CPAC ... For the second year in a row, - FoxNews
South Carolina
Latest S.C. straw poll win goes to Ron Paul – CNN Political Ticker ...
Rep. Ron Paul Wins First Debate, Herman Cain Comes in ...
New Hampshire
Who won the GOP debate? The audience thought Ron Paul did ...
Ron Paul handily won GOP debate according to applause - latimes.com
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AFP Rep. Ron Paul Wins Straw Poll at GOP Conference -…. by Garrett Tenney | June 18, 2011 Texas Congressman Ron Paul ran away with ... vote at the Republican Leadership Conference's straw poll vote in New Orleans ...
So Maybe If Y'all printed out Dr Ron Pauls Last 5 of 5 Victoriesy'all might remember who's Victroy tonight's was?
Naw... You Obamans can't even remember how many Broken Promises POMPU Obama made to US to get Elected!
I'm Telling You Folks...THEM & THEM Talking Heads is causes All THEM Obamans to become SENILE!
Northstar-3473315 wrote:
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What is "funny" about this read is that Romney got just 33 votes more than Palin. Whether the pole is totally accurate or not, the difference of getting over 600 votes or getting less than 100 says a lot. I would think that the 8 candidates with less than 100 votes aren't exactly thrilled with the results.
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I knew this sounded familiar! Paul just pulled a Bush and stuffed the ballot box!
This just shows that the tea party will continue to push its candidate and agenda within the GOP regardless of their relative numbers. The "regular" GOP should be scared. We all should be scared.
An extreme version of "the end justifies the means" has been their process from day 1. Whatever they need to do will be done.... elect a candidate? Stuff the box. Slash cut targeted legislation? Hold the country hostage. Run over whoever gets in the way.
Quite the American and Constitutional way, huh?
I am stunned by the many delusional Americans who believe that economic anarchy, isolationism and lawless exploitation of our people and environment is the salvation of this nation! Why not go to the logical extreme and do away with child labor, Jim Crow, Clean food and water and just toss away 100 years of progress???
They are advocating that we become China, or worse.
the straw poll .. voteing for straw men .. now they have a real straw person in Bachmann .. this scare crow girl should freighten every American
Ron Paul can't beat Obama........
First and foremost, I don't listen to Democratic Run Polls presented by Democratic sponsored Networks like MSNBC, CNN, ETC. You can pick 700 people from any geographic area of the U.S. and get whatever Poll Results you're looking for. It would not be in the best interest of the Democratic Party or their media supporters to show the true strong candidates in the Republican Party in a positive light, now would it? No, REPUBLICANS will choose their own candidates and don't need Democratic Hype to tell us what to do.. Instead of focusing on our candidate, perhaps; you should worry about the mess your President has made during his administration and how you're going to cover that up and sell that re-election to the American People...
You wanted "Change", that has created a unchecked national debt with no sealing and the Presidents projected Budget spending in the next 10 years to exceed 22+ Trillion Dollars, home foreclosures the highest in decades, National Unemployment over 9% and close to 15% in several states with a President who considers the unemployed just a "bump"; A President who refuses to uphold the Constitution and openly sued a State over illegal immigration laws rather than enforce the Constitutional Laws in place while trying to amend the laws; forcing an unwanted Health-care Plan on the American people that will cause higher unemployment due to mandated personal and business premium costs (while exempting companies that make large political contributions); a President who was more interested in hobnobbing with European Leaders while American lives and property were lost in the Midwest; a Democratic President that is striving for more government control over the Internet and Media Sources. These are just a few examples of what you Democrats have to explain.
A WARNING TO ALL DEMOCRATS.. Don't mistake Republicans "Quiet as Apathy".. Haven't you heard of the "Calm before the Storm". It's time to undo the "Unchecked Change" you've created and give this Nation and its Democracy back to the people... Democrats, Be Afraid, Be Very Afraid... The Republican Express is coming........
A straw poll like this one is entirely worthless.
Ron Paul supporters are very passionate (even though very limited in number) so it's no surprise that many of them showed up at this convention and voted.
Huntsman can in second only because he purposefully bussed people to the convention in order to have more votes for him.
other straw polls may be meaningfull, but this one - where vote purchasing was clearly rampant is absolutely meaningless.
Define 'harm' and you will immediately see the need for regulating banking and other industries.
The freedom to do harm - leaves us all in a perpetual state of repairing the effects of creed. Civilized and advanced countries all regulate THAT so-called 'freedom' for the good of their people. That concept is also constitutional.
Lanikai, the boos could barely be heard? Who's spinning exactly?
Eric-913730 wrote:
What, in an arm wrestling contest? Sure, Obama probably has the advantage there. But I think Obama made a mistake by recently saying that some days he feels that one term is enough. This isn't sending a positive message to voters. But we'll see what happens. I don't know if Ron Paul's website is back up, but he had tons of documents he's written in his last campaign's website, and a lot of it was very well thought out. If people take some time to see what the guy thinks, they may come away with a different opinion of him.
And by the way, I was an Obama supporter. But I'm open to whoever is the "best" in this election.
Yes some people are coming OUR way... the American way. I really hope people will wake up, and see what is best for our country. I did not support Ron Paul when I first learned of him, due to some of his views that many may see as "extreme." After doing much research on Dr. Paul my opinion has changed completely. I truely believe this man speaks from his heart, believes in what he speaks, and has the will and drive to disable the very things that are taking our freedoms and liberties away from us. These issues that he is viewed as "extreme" on, would not be an issue at all if we had followed the constitution in the first place. Also, when you find a politician who has a public record and voting record that matches %100 what he preaches, that is something that truely speaks for itself. If you find yourself to be a true American, a true Republican, or even a true democrat....Please do your research... Research the Federal Reserve, research what it would mean for you, your family, your children, and your grandchildren to continually keep losing your freedoms and liberties. Please for our country, research which candidate will be best for our country... and not which is best for the party you support or have supported in the past.... Republican or Democrat. Research what the founding fathers intended this country to be...Research the Constitution. It is imperative to our country's recovery and survival! I am very happy that Dr. Paul has won this straw poll, and it is a step in the right direction. I would like to end this comment with a quote that relates very much to today... "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated, and scorned. When his cause suceeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." MARK TWAIN If you have read this entire post I appreciate you time, and if I have touched just one person with this to do their research, and stand up to preserve our freedoms, then my work is done. God Bless all of us here, and may things take a turn for the better.
It seems strange that when they don't agree with the results of a poll, so many people claim that it is somehow invalid or the results were manipulated. It's a poll. What difference does it make if your favorite didin't win?
If the economy keeps going down the tubes for the next 12 months, any of these candidates could beat Obama. Don't let all this fluff fool you. If we are still in a recession in the spring and summer of 2012, Obama will have a very difficult road. If we head back into recession and unemployment is between 9-10%, he could be in for a landslide defeat. As Carville said, It's the economy stupid.
STexan - You can blame anyone you want, but here's a news flash - PALIN, BACHMANN and every other NEO FAKE Conservatives = Zero Chance of Winning!
But I do find it funny a Conservative who is truly about limited Government and allowing Business's and people to figure it out themselves doesn't register with the So-Called Conservatives. Which basically means your not really Conservative but actually more Fascist then your willing to admit.
Yes some people are coming OUR way... the American way. I really hope people will wake up, and see what is best for our country. I did not support Ron Paul when I first learned of him, due to some of his views that many may see as "extreme." After doing much research on Dr. Paul my opinion has changed completely. I truely believe this man speaks from his heart, believes in what he speaks, and has the will and drive to disable the very things that are taking our freedoms and liberties away from us. These issues that he is viewed as "extreme" on, would not be an issue at all if we had followed the constitution in the first place. Also, when you find a politician who has a public record and voting record that matches %100 what he preaches, that is something that truely speaks for itself. If you find yourself to be a true American, a true Republican, or even a true democrat....Please do your research... Research the Federal Reserve, research what it would mean for you, your family, your children, and your grandchildren to continually keep losing your freedoms and liberties. Please for our country, research which candidate will be best for our country... and not which is best for the party you support or have supported in the past.... Republican or Democrat. Research what the founding fathers intended this country to be...Research the Constitution. It is imperative to our country's recovery and survival! I am very happy that Dr. Paul has won this straw poll, and it is a step in the right direction. I would like to end this comment with a quote that relates very much to today... "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated, and scorned. When his cause suceeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." MARK TWAIN If you have read this entire post I appreciate you time, and if I have touched just one person with this to do their research, and stand up to preserve our freedoms, then my work is done. God Bless all of us here, and may things take a turn for the better.
MUW
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MUW
Your posts don't make any sense.
Domenico, you are just another one of NBC's liberal lap dogs. But thank you for paying attention to the reponses to your article.
Ron Paul is one of the few politicians out there to have core convictions. He will fight for what he believes in and when push comes to shove he will stick to his beliefs, even if it cost him an election. He's not going to run around with fancy catchy phrases just to get elected and then do things totally different once he gets the job. What you see is what you get. How refreshing in politics these days.
According to today's "Rasmussen Report", Obama's Approval Rating on 1/20/09 was 65% and today it is 47%....I would say that is a definite sign......that Obama is TANKING!!!!!!......shhhhhhhhh......don't tell the DEMS & LIBBERS, they think that "denial" is a river in Egypt!
Ron Paul wins straw pole. That's like taking a poll at the New York Times for a Democrat.
Now let's get on with real life, and people with a real chance to be President.
Ah yes...reminds me of that old Aerosmith song...Dream On...
Rasmussen Report? You mean the guys who do polling for Fox News? Yeah...that's a real credible source! LOL!!!
ROY - Your the poster child for one claims to be conservative yet discards the one true conservative in this race, typical. Honestly Ron Paul may have no chance but he will damn sure expose the NEOCONs like Bachmann for what they are, Not Conservative.
Last time I checked he wasn't getting Farm subsides while railing against waistful spending. I'm just saying!
Good grief, guys. A Ron Paul supporter friend of ours said it was wrong to honor soldiers on Memorial Day and pointedly asked what foreign war (including both world wars) had been fought to defend any of our freedoms as stated in the Bill of Rights? Ron Paul is apparently very strict about defending only rights stated in the Constitution. This friend was strongly implying he would not have supported our involvement in either world war because he did not feel it defended any freedoms listed in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution! Do all you Ron Paul supporters feel the same way? I am questioning our involvement in some of what we are involved with now, but WWI and WWII? After Pearl Harbor? My spouse and I responded that both world wars AND the initial war with Afghanistan (the response to Sept. 11) were to defend our rights to life and liberty as stated in the Declaration of Independence (Granted, they aren't technically in the Bill of Rights; but does the Declaration as the founding article for this nation not count for anything?) At that, he answered that he would give us the two world wars and the war with Afghanistan. This is isolationism to the extreme, not even defending ourselves, and I think it is very dangerous. Here was a guy who apparently had not carefully thought through what Ron Paul was saying in focusing only on rights that are granted in the Constitution. What if he completely defunded or almost completely defunded the military? How COULD we defend ourselves?
Ron Paul believes we need a strong defense and would not defund the military. He believes that helping other nations should not come from the end of a gun. He just doesn't like spending 10 billion dollars a month on a no win war. He thinks our foreign policy ought to be about negotiating, trading, and making friends not installing dictators and killing civilians. .
I don't know what your friend is talking about with WWI and WWII. Especially WWII we were attacked and Ron Paul does believe we have a right to defend ourselves from attack.
Please just listen to what Ron Paul is saying instead of media spin. As for your friend I am not sure he is listening to Ron either or maybe you did not listen to what your friend actually said.
Thanks for explaining Ron Paul's position. I did listen to exactly what our friend said but now I'll be more careful to check out Ron Paul's actual position.
I'm sorry... "drawing big boos and some quieter chants of "Ron Paul."??? Did you watch the same announcement as the rest of America who tuned in? Because your "big boos" were overwhelmingly covered by applause and voices cheering. But hey... whatever your readership wants to hear, however misinformed they may be. I personally don't even support him but that's simply a blatant lie...
Yeah, clearly mainstream media and bad reporting.
It's not called reporting. It's called manipulation!!!
At least he wants to stop spending so much...and who cares about whether 2 gays get married? Let's just talk about getting the country back on track.
Remember CPAC? When Ronl Paul won that straw too? ...and the year before that?
What did faux news do to you faithfuls? They ran the soundtrack so it sounded like disapproval too. Fair and balanced? No, contrived, scripted and preferred. They even apologized for the "error" when the likes of Jon Stewart called them out. Ron Paul will never get a fair shake out of ANYBODY so long as he keeps up with what would actually fix this country...
So before all you liberal media bias experts think you just witnessed another infraction, ask yourself why faux news isn't on the Ron Paul bandwagon???? Time after time this man wins approval only to be dismissed by your handlers...why???
Don't be dummies, faux news lies straight to y'alls face, and you people know nothing but how to sit there gobbling it up like it's the last yummy truth cake left on the planet. Free yourself, ask faux news questions!!!!
Most rational people would vote for Ron Paul, not so much any of these other empty suits - rmemeber that when you're alone making YOUR choice.
Amen 111pct! It's amazing, when Dr. Paul is winning the "polls are skewed" when Obama (or anyone else for that matter) is winning the polls are legitimate, The Republicans hate him, the Democrats fear him, he's obviously doing something right!
Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul 2012!
You're absolutely right ike, we're tired of the nut in the white house so we plan to fix that.
Ron Paul 2012!
Far from the tree?
RON PAUL 2012 finally we will get our county back, sound money , liberty,freedoms ,prosperity ,and pride for this county back.
All presidents climb aboard a moving train of history, and get swept along. There are forces larger than someone with a temporary government job, one term or two, and those forces are doing things like keeping Gitmo open, staging multiple wars, keeping oil companies subsidized, and so on. Ron Paul has a lot of ideas and so did Obama and we know where those ideas wound up, because the military industrial complex, the energy complex, and even the medical industrial complex will have their way, no matter who gets to sign ritual documents in the Oval Office. So Ron Paul? Okay with me, if you think he really has a shot past the vocal fringe.
Alan static,
You've got to be fu*kin kidding me! Get a brain.
Alan-301510 you should get a brain. Ron Paul is the only candidate that doesn't change his views with every opinion poll, the one candidate who will actually run a constitutional government, the one candidate with principle and integrity. Ron Paul will get my vote. Any other Republican and those Democrats and religious fanatics masquerading as Republicans leading the ticket will see my vote go to Barry Obama, in protest.
Ron Paul 2012 !!!
I don't see Ron Paul as a viable candidate, especially with his total isolationist foreign policy. Their has to be a correct level between getting into every conflict in the world and pulling military person home.
Quite a few Americans think like this, which will rapidly change if Greece collapses and the entire world economy drops off the graph. Which just may be happening in a few weeks..
Ron Paul's stance is not one of isloationism.
What he has stated is "trade with all, alliances with none".
If they don't like President Obama, why would they nominate Jon Huntsman? I mean, on the surface, Huntsman is another straight arrow, ivy league, clean and articulate kind of politician. In that, he bares some passing resemblance to President Obama.
Maybe but in a dark room, Huntsman would be easier to find. This would give him at least a 25-30% boost.
At least Huntsman loves this country.
But Huntsman does not have the extreme left wing democratic socialist views.
Why is it so amusing? What is so scary about Dr. Ron Paul. He would bring us back under the authority of the United States Constitution. Why is that a bad thing?
You cant honor the constitution and be a Racist
How can people say that Ron Paul is a racist? All you have to do is just listen to his "rant" about the war on drugs, unless you mean he's racist towards whites?
For one RON PAUL is not a racist ,if he was why would he stand up for mike steel ,
RON does know about the economy and what it takes to fix it , If he did not how did he see and know that a recession was coming in 2002 . 6 yrs before it happen he warned us he wanted to prevent it , but did the losers in office listen , NO NO AND NO..
I agree. Watching video on his predictions and warnings on the economy from years ago is almost creepy how dead on he was.
You cant fix it if you don't know whats broke , and you cant see it coming if you don't know how to fix it .
RON PAUL 2012
I wouldn't say that Ron Paul is racist, but his son Rand is definitely a bigot.
You have to wonder if he got that way from growing up around his father(Ron).
Ron Paul does have some good ideas that I could get behind like: ending the Fed, no more interfering in foreign affairs unless absolutely necessary, and cutting back on military spending.
Unfortunately, he sometimes acts like he is borderline senile and I wouldn't want his son Rand to be able to whisper over his father's shoulder and influence US policy.
i liked ike
"Yeh he's got years of constitutional law experience to go with his law degree."
Obama was a Constitutional Law Lawyer. It makes me feel a lot better if Ron Paul doesn't have one. God knows that Obama DOES NOT follow the constitution or magically warps the meaning of the constitution to his liking i.e. Libyan War. Go to youtube, type in Ron Paul Prediction, pick the first video, watch & learn. He seems pretty smart when it comes to the economy!
End the fed? Common people, what are you smoking?
The Invisible Hand of Adam Smith has no heart, no soul. Left to it's own, the Invisible Hand will destroy Western Civilization in a couple years.
Let businesses take care of themselves?
You all sound like stoned teenagers.
Give me my country back, back from the hands of low-information conservatives and libertarians.
Not that 80 years of socialism hasn't thoroughly destroyed the country and reduced once free Americans to the level of peasants. In fact, if people who "know" about economics are the reason for the piss poor economy, it is past time for a novice to give it a shot.
Ron Paul first comes across as a reasonable man with practical and honest ideals that many of us would like to support at first glance. He then goes off the deep-end as soon as the spotlight catches his features.
Nobody wants to return to whites only diners or requirements to take a seat at the back of the bus unless you are the preferred skin color. Nobody wants big business free of regulations after the reaming of the American consumers and workers by mega corporations during the last 30 years. Nobody wants more billions of our treasury dedicated to corporations that are busily shipping even more of our jobs overseas.
Everybody wants a return to a simpler and easier life-time. A time of peace and prosperity enjoyed during the 50's. A time when the head of household worked one full time job to provide his family with a decent home and reliable transportation as his wife stayed home to care for the home and children. A time when annual family vacations across the nation did not break the family budget.
Would Ron Paul support a return to a top tax rate of 90% or more as in the 50's? Would Ron Paul return us to the days when many of the elderly must choose between food or life saving medication without Medicare? Would Ron Paul turn the other way as millions of poor American children perished by starvation in the Appalachians and inner cities with no safety net? Would Ron Paul find a way to reduce our 300 million population today back to a almost half that number?
Ron Paul's simple tunnel vision may make us yearn for simpler times, but that is not the world we live in today. Modern America must have a leader with clear vision of the future and the intelligence to lead us to prosperity with no foolish thoughts of taking us back in history. We can never go back. We will go forward bravely to a better world of our making or be dragged into a future of decay with clay feet. Progressive ideals and actions will pave the way to a brighter tomorrow.
A clear vision of spending?
i liked ike
"Yeh he's got years of constitutional law experience to go with his law degree. The only thing he knows less about is the economy. But he pukes up great short sentences and that's the crowd he attracts a little short on common sense The dumbing down of America is almost complete. If this idiot or someone like the crazy woman ever actually get elected watch out the damage the Pubs have done will take 20 years to overcome one of these idiots could easily ruin this country for 50 years and we may never recover"
With Obama in there, it is likely the country will never recover since he believes he is above the law. You can't spend your way out of debt.
For all you guys that said "I like Ike":
Ike sucked donkey dongs. He had the opportunity and a mandate to undo Roosevelt's communist New Deal and failed to do so; he did not even reduce Roosevelt's confiscatory wartime tax brackets; he set back the cause of freedom in Eastern Europe when he totally bungled things up during the 1956 Hungarian revolt (leading to the erection of the Berlin Wall five years later); he totally destroyed public transportation and passenger rail in this country with his Interstate Highway program; he failed to take a principled stand during the McCarthy hearing excesses; he failed to do very much about the festering civil rights crisis in this country, no more than he absoultely had to do. The economy was in recession as his term neared its end, with outright starvation occurring in Appalachia and the "social safety net" of the day consisting of some fat trailer trash washerwoman winning a new Maytag washer on "Queen For a Day". Well, at least that show used a good theme song (Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance #1), and I really thought as a 3-year old, that that VU-meter they used to measure audience approval was high-tech .
Most frightening thing is this: Ike was NOT the worst President of my lifetime.
@Commonsense101: You said;
Assume that suddenly the diner you used to frequent had a sign that said, "No Blacks Allowed". Would you go inside? I certainly wouldn't and most other Americans wouldn't either. Any business that began to show racism so blatantly would swiftly go out of business for that very reason. Paul is not in favor of article ten of the Civil Rights Act because it imposes federal force over the people's rights to run their business however they want. Why would you support article ten of the CRA anyway? All it really does is subsidizes the racists who hide behind it with the money you spend there. Lets go back to the diner you frequent; they don't have a sign out front that says "No Blacks" because of article ten of the CRA. You have no way of knowing that you are subsidizing these racists by frequenting their business. They could be raging racist fanatics and you having your coffee there could be paying for their KKK hoods.
I would much prefer that folks have the liberty to be who they are, that way I can judge for myself if I want to give them my money.
You said;
Umm, you kinda already made my point here. Big business is already free of regulations and that's why for the last 30 years (much longer really) they HAVE been able to take American consumers to the cleaners. The regulations you refer to only effect small businesses who can't compete because they can't afford lobbyists and attorneys to work around the rules. The regulations you refer to cripple the little guy not the big guys. The regulations we have already in place are forcing business to operate in other countries and that's why unemployment is so bad these days. America can't compete because folks like you want to regulate them all the way to Mexico, China and India.
You said;
You are absolutely right, sir. So since you are are as passionate about this as I am, I'm sure you will vote Ron Paul too. After all, he is the only one who voted against all the bail outs. He is the only one who believes that business should be a level playing field where the government has no right to favor one company over the other.
You said;
Umm, have you been paying attention at all to anything going on? Google Ron Paul and see what he thinks about taxes.
You said;
Heh, really? Ugh, okay. Look, not that you will listen to any of this but, it is progressive ideas that has put us in this mess. Are you so blind that you can't see that? Please wake up. This nation has been under progressive rule for well over thirty years and if you think it's lead us to a brighter future you are woefully blind to what is going on.
I feel pretty bad for picking on all your statements like this but I'm sorry, you are making issues out of things that other Ron Paul detractors do and it's all a load of bull. I really hope you can stop listening to the mainstream media who is piping this crap into your brain. I really hope you and the rest of your zombified friends will wake up and see that the Fed is the underlying cause of all of our problems. It is an evil entity that has pushed us into wars, ruined our economy and kept all of us from being who and what we really can be.
If any candidate doesn't start their speech with "End The Fed" they are lying to you as to what the real problems are. It's that simple.
The "simple tunnel vision" you refer to doesn't apply to Ron Paul at all. The simple tunnel vision is thinking we can keep doing what the progressives have been doing in this nation and survive another ten years.
You know something I have watched Ron Paul for many years and I think I have heard almost all of his speeches and I have never heard him say he wants to go back to whites only diners or anything that remotely sounds like that. He has said he want to end the racist "war on drugs" that was designed to put males of color in prison. He says the drug war is the most racist thing going in government. I believe him.
He wants our jobs to come back to America. I wish people would listen to him instead of what the media says he says.
 Why can't you just admit it?!!
RON PAUL rocks! Why? Because he tells the truth & defends our Constitution like no other.
Someone please tell me when these two things became such anathema in this country?
As for Ron Paul supporters, we are THRILLED to have someone who loves our Constitution & that's why our cheers and support are so loud!!!!!!!!!!!
Cynthia - Defending and standing up for the Constitution is completely the opposite of what progressives stand for. They want to tear it up and start over with their version of what America should be.
Liberals side and believe with the progressives. Trust me, there are a lot more that want to keep the Constitution and America as it is, than them. They are just more vocal because they are trying to take over. Everytime we have a president like Obama and his ideology, it reminds the majority of people that America can be taken away from them. Obama is so good at what he does, he's convinced those on the left that his is the only solution... but... do you see the state he's placed us in since his immaculation?
brianb - the term progressive was a republican ideal from the teddy rooosevelt era. why would you not want progress? the constitution was written as a fluid document and was done purposefully so future generations could interpret in a way that is relevant to their lives. the democrats and the left are just as evil as the right and both are in bed with each other. obama's ideology? you are just ignorant to history, political parties and what a president actually does. why make it an "us v. them" situation with your fellow country men and women? that is just selfish.
I have a weird sense of respect for Ron Paul. Probably wouldn't vote for him. But do you supporters really think the establishment would allow him to make all the drastic libertarian changes he want's? I think not. Obama was all hope and change and he got some things done but nowhere close to all he said he would do. The establishment won't allow it.
Sinclair Lewis
RON PAUL
Some people talk about the Constitution, with the same blank low in their eye when they talk about the Bible.
Lord, protect me from your believers.
There is nothing magic about the Constitution. Why did we need the Bill of Rights?
We should do a new Bill of Rights every few decades to modernize our laws.
I don't want to live by two hundred year old ideology.
See you @ the polls in 2012. Apparently you SUCK at bets!
Cautiously Optimistic One says of the Bill of Rights:
"I don't want to live by two hundred year old ideology."
Very well, perhaps you would rather live in Cuba, Myanmar (aka Burma), Cambodia, or North Korea. Karl Marx, Stalin, Castro, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il were/are all much more recent than James Madison and Alexander Hamilton.
Cautiously, you need to phone home, your village is missing its idiot.
wolffchad, is exactly right!!!! The establishment is such that Ron Paul won't be able to change Washington. Just like President Obama has not been able to change Washington.
It is funny to me to see all these people saying President Obama is the worst president since Jimmy Carter. Jimmy Carter was ineffective as president because he was a straight shooter. He would not play the games and deal etc. so both sides would not work with him. President Obama found out the hard way that if he wanted to get anything done he would have to deal, and everyone hates him for it.
In response to Wolffchad and Andie:
Let's not worry what the "establishment" wants. Let's worry about what we want. In the face of strong opposition Ron Paul is the man to stand up for his ideals and consistently vote for what he believes is right. You're worried that Ron Paul is too strong to be molded by the Elites? One man cannot change Washington, no. But let's all think positively. To quote J.F.K.
"The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were."
I plan to stand with Ron Paul for freedom and against its greatest enemy: the ruling Elite who incorporated the usury system through our fiat-backed federal reserve.
Romney=MORE OF THE SAME...when will Americans finally wake up and vote for someone who is honest, consistent and has the moral fibers to resist the temptations of power? We again find ourselves with one person who can steer us back, and can appeal to both "conservatives" and "liberals". That one person, just blew everyone away in this straw poll. Former democrat, now voting for Paul. And yes, as hard as it was, I switched my party affliation so I could vote for this man.
Charlie, I have been a Democrat for my entire voting life and just changed my affiliation to Republican strictly to vote for Ron Paul. And I'll be honest, when I was very young I was told that blacks are supposed to vote Democrat, I was actually told this in high school! So that's what I always did! Then I started really listening to these people and looking at their voting record and I finally woke up. Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul I take my hat off to you. He tells the truth no matter what. Ron can get us out of wars, fair tax, stop all the fed's printing worthless money. Bring our boys and girls home , let them take care of the home land. He is the best we got.
The free-loaders would be worse off if they refused to work. Lord Keynes and others' economic policies clearly have failed. I for one, lean more toward the Austrian school of thought.
i liked ike
Our economy is close to collapsing and many people are still out of work; we do need some changes to the way our leaders are taking us down the path of no return. I like the idea that Ron Paul will bring our troops home and I like his idea of a better, fairer tax system without the IRS. I thought I would never depend Ron Paul because his policies are sometimes a little scary, but I realize we do need someone willing to put our American house back in order.....first by understanding and following our constitution.
i liked ike
"The next time you need surgery have an economist operate. That is no different than a doctor operating on our economy. On second thought it would be much worse. If you were stupid enough to let an economist operate on you, only you would be hurt, but if you morons ever elected this old fool all the rest of us would suffer."
Do you think Ron Paul wouldn't surround himself with a good team i.e. Economists???
Check out Peter Schiff, Ron Paul's financial advisor. Go ahead type his name into youtube. Check out his speeches. Everybody laughed at him when he predicted this recession. Low & behold, he was correct. I would feel a lot better with these guys than somebody like Barney Frank who was on the Financial Services Committee and helped cause this. Check out some of his speeches...
Did Mr. Paul say how he would bring our troops home, especially Iraq, since we destroyed their country.
Fairer tax system sounds good, but again how would he do it. Same for all the other things he has said.
Remember, as President, he would have to go thru Congress. So he has high hopes, don't we all.
I think I will stay Democrat this round.
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Dr. Paul said "we marched right in there's no reason we can't turn around and march right back out"
no more nation building, no more helping those who refuse to help themselves.
I like Ike, you said to beware the candidate who wraps himself in the flag and carries a cross.
I remind you, your namesake-hero, the field-marshal as it were of the Normandy invasion, never wrapped himself in the flag, but rather, the flag wrapped itself around him. Comes with the territory of being a five-star general who just happens to lead the mightiest armada ever assembled on the planet. There's your "flag", and as for the "cross", I do believe it was your hero Ike who pushed Congress to alter the Pledge of Allegiance to include "Under God". Not that I want to see it taken out, mind you, but just wanted to point out to you who, of all Presidents in our lifetime, was the single one most gift-wrapped in the flag, thumping the bible the hardest.
I don't favor Ron Paul...I tend to more favor Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum...but there are several things he has to saythat are correct and true and I admire his principled stand on economic and constitutional issues. The only Republican candidate I cannot support is Mitt Romney, the real father, as it were, of "Obamacare". "Obamacare" must be defeated, and there is no way Romney can preach that as his campaign's main theme and keep a straight face. Obama will eat Romney's lunch on that.
If I were a Democrat right now, I would register as a Republican so I could vote for Romney in the primary. I think we all know who the Democrat nominee is going to be, so the primary task at hand for the Democrats right now is to "help" pick the Republican nominee. Romney is their dream-come-true.
The Unit Toad - I think you are out of your mind - first of all I would never ever call myself a toad is that the toad that you have to kiss to get a prince?
Geez - Next we are the only country in the Western World that does protect it's citizens with Healthcare - Healthcare in case you don't know it provides preventitive screening and in the long run saves money - Next - we should look to Germany who has a growing economy - why? manufacturing is in partnership with politicians not against - yes personal taxes are high yet its citizens enjoy six weeks vacation - grandma is never thrown from the train and they combine capitalism with socialism
Barbara, I think you meant we are the only country in the Western World that does NOT protect its' citizens health with universal healthcare. We not only throw grandma from the train, but anyone working for a small business that can't afford insurance, anyone who is unemployed and can't afford COBRA or it has run out, anyone who works for themselves and can't afford insurance, millions of part-time workers...all with no source of either private or public insurance coverage. Not providing health coverage to our citizens is the most short-sighted act in the history of the United States and our health (which is only slightly better than most developing nations) will only continue to deteriorate as more and more people can't afford coverage. The same people who wrap themselves in the flag and the bible are the same people who don't want to provide basic healthcare to citizens of the United States. These are the same people who want to repeal healthcare reform that provides coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. What ever happened to being our brother's keeper? People only care about the flag and the bible when it makes them feel superior and they can use them to control others. These people don't really care for what either stands for or they would embrace social structures that help the least of us, the old and infirm, and those who frankly have just drawn the short end of the stick in life. As an example of how we throw those with less from the train: THere are several fast-food places around where I work. There is a woman who works at all 3, different shifts and 1 is full-time, the other 2 part time. However, she had no health insurance coverage provided. On a fast-food salary she just couldn't afford it, plus she had 1 kid and a sick husband. On the street where she works are 2 hospitals, one private, one public, the state health dept., and the state university medical school. One day I went in for lunch and her expression was totally blank, I asked her what was wrong, expecting nothing, what can I get you, etc. Instead, she told me she had stage 4 colon cancer that had spread to her liver and pancreas and there wasn't anything they could do. I guess my health dept./med school badges made her feel like I would relate on some level. Had she had insurance, she would have been able to get screened for colon cancer and at least been able to go to a doctor when she first had symptoms, but she didn't so now she dies. No one deserves that. The sad thing is - she's deathly ill and still working at 2 of her 3 jobs. When she gets sick enough I guess the public hospital will have to treat her, but if she had a family doctor earlier her life could have been saved. This story is not unique - it happens on a daily basis because we're afraid of spending any money on someone that might not deserve it or it might increase our taxes by a miniscule amount. We aren't a Christian country, we are a self-serving, self-righteous country of selfish hedonists - proudly represented by the Republican party.
Amazing, the election is more than 1 year away and all you brilliant political analysts are already predicting a winner. The problem with America is its McDonald's attitude about everything; I don't care how it tasts,I just want it now. No patience with anything. Admit it, all of you...........you don't have a clue who is going to win or lose, they just started the Republican primary! Why don't you just enjoy the movie, without trying to guess the ending before you even buy your popcorn!
Ron Paul would be perfect to represent this country. Everyone in Washington is too worried about their ego's and trying to prove how big their "missiles" really are before countries like China and Russia call their bluff ha. Ron Paul could sit down with both of them for lunch and have our countries making babies together by nightfall just by his charm and jokes alone. We need someone who has strong beliefs yet is humble at the same time and he appears to be that. I think we could get a lot of respect back from the world with him in office.
Steve, could you explain that illusion to "them", lunch and babies by nightfall? I think you are talking about China and Russia, right? Don't they get along right now??
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They get along with each other Northstar, but not with us.
What was that? Boo's against Ron Paul? Does that mean that supporters from ALL candidates act similarly? Ron Paul energizes the exuberant youth, growing the party to unseat Obama. Support Ron Paul - Integrity Matters!
First of all Ron Paul I believe is in his seventies, we already had a President with the begining of Alzeimers - his time has past and his son is a raving lunatic - Secondly - some good points other points would have fit well with a new country maybe in the early 1800's but much too simplistic for current times, this is a very complex world and demands better solutions - could you imagine a Ron Paul at our Summits I can't - little sound bites don't work
Ma'am, I'd like to propose a rebuttal:
1. Age discrimination is still discrimination. I don't share your concern about Dr. Paul's possible performance as President in light of his 30 minute "unscripted" speech, his vast knowledge of history, and his ability to argue his points quickly and efficiently when prompted. Also, you attack his personal attributes like age and (his son? why?) instead of his ideology.
2. A complex world need simple solutions. The economic problems can be traced to a single problem. Do you know what it is? Ron Paul does and he has been trying to solve this problem for the last 20+ years (Anybody can find YouTube videos of him from 1987 and earlier). As a person who enjoys a wide perspective on life I enjoy Ron Paul's simplicity. When Ron Paul is asked for his solution to a complex issue (like gay rights, or drug legalization, or relations with Israel, or monetary policy, or healthcare) he gives such simple solutions (mainly the free will of humans). Should gays have free will? Yes. It's a simple solution to a "complex world". Should people have free will in regard to consumption? Yes. Interfering with Israeli free will? No. Healthcare could be phrased as free will and the responsibility to accept the future (good or bad) consequences of your free choice. Now his monetary policy is complex because of the inter-connectivity of the world currencies, but his simple ideology of a society free of the usury system (and a long history of this unchanging stance) makes me confident that he can create a complex solution.
3. If you compare the candidates' answers you might find that Dr. Paul's are filled with:
a) more facts and figures
b) generally more words/ information
c) less boasting
d) fewer insults
e) fewer "sound bites" (honestly I don't understand how you pinned this to Ron Paul and not somebody like Herman Cain)
f) I'd like to say no backtracking or unclear/muddled answers
For the most part, these are certifiable losers. Recycled career politicians. Would like to hear more from Gary Johnson but not being part of the establishment and his own man, I'm sure the Republican party leaders are working against him. They need a good boot licker.
He is not very well known. That was a benefit to Obama in the last presidential election. Less people know about you is a plus. The knowns are known losers.
Ron Paul's the only candidate WORTH voting for --- Obama has no challengers, the rest of the Republicans are crap, and no legitimate 3rd party candidate has come forward. We just have to hope Dr. Paul does win, because the alternatives are terrifying
Love how scared the media is of Ron Paul. Ron Paul 2012!Â
So much for the baggers.
Ron Paul is fine for some people but he is at the very least, an anarchist. Our Civil War was the last gasp of States Rights. I am not trying to say there is not a place for the 10th Amendment, however, the Supremacy Clause of our Constitution (Article 6, Clause 2) establishes that the Feds have the last say on all things foreign and domestic. No matter what the States declare, or whatever laws they pass, their actions must pass the scrutiny of the Federal government. The Supremacy Clause insures the union of 50 states.
Ron Paul represents a very unhealthy movement within our nation to create 50 independent nations acting in their own behalf and not in the interests of the nation as a whole. The Confederacy tried to do this long ago. It failed. Good thing too. You cannot allow a state to determine if they will go to war or not. Individual states cannot determine how to interprete civil liberty's. States cannot elect whether they want to comply with US Treaties or not.
States should not determine if they have school prayer or not. States cannot define rules regarding Affirmative Action, or who gets to vote and who does not. You cannot allow individual states to determine immigration policy. One state may take a different view on what Freedom of Speech is, compared to another state. Same goes for all of our Civil Liberty's. States cannot just throw out the 14th Amendment and if a child is born in Alabama they are not a citizen of the US but if they are born in Georgia, they are. States should not determine what the "Due Process and Equal Protection" clauses of our Constitution means and how they are applied from one generation to the next.
Ron paul is an anarchist. He is dangerous to the survival of our Union. All you old lovers of Ron Paul better thing twice before you support someone like him. There is a place for States Rights in our nation, however, Mr. paul goes too far and so do you.
I've been listening to this man for months and half the sh*t you are babbling about is not even true. I suggest you research Dr. Paul again. "You cannot allow a state to determine if they will go to war or not." Are you kidding? seriously? He never said that nor does he imply that. Try again.......
RON PAUL 2012!
I THINK GARRY is full of it ,he went to school in CHINA
Guys, this is what Libertarians stand for--more states' rights, less centralized power. Ron Paul is Libertarian. My brother is a huge RP supporter. He also happens to hang the Confederate flag in his home but refuses to allow his children to say the Pledge of Allegience to the American flag. In fact, he wouldn't even let me take his kids to my Baptist church's VBS because they start the worship rally with this (pledge of A.). It's just ironic because he was perfectly happy to accept the new home buyers' credit from the government a couple of years ago. I guess he takes what he wants when it is good for him personally. Kinda selfish, no? That is what Libertarians seem to be. . .along with a lot of socially conservative Republicans. Anyway, what Gary says is true, whether you like it or not. You need to do a little more reading on the Libertarian positions that Paul supports.
So if your brother won't say the Pledge of Allegiance than no Libertarians will? Wow!! Talk about pigeon holing a whole group of people.
Libertarians are the most USA loyal people out there. Hence the sticking to the constitution.
You've got issues with your brother not the Libertarian party.
You've got a point there, jw--my brother and his family and the little clan he lives with are a small number of people, and it's not fair to say all Libertarians are selfish. His stances, though, are representative of the general philosophy in which Libertarians (and I know several besides my brother) seem not to care about others' welfare, even while professing to be Christians. They want the government's protection, but they want the government to get the heck out of their backyard. They want to pay as little as they can in taxes, but someone had better be there when they call 911 or when they need WIC products. I also see very little diversity in this party. You may disagree with my assessment, but this is my experience.
Yeah Bethie, your brother sounds like a freak. Whenever Ron Paul is in town here in Las Vegas, NV, I go to hear him speak and I survey the crowd because I wanted to know if he is the racist people seem to think he is. ALL types of people like Ron Paul, different races and ages...as hard as the media and people like you try to stereotype Ron Paul supporters, they like to say they are pot heads (I'm not), very young / college age (I'm not), white (I'm not), uneducated (I am), unemployed (I have a great job), living in their mother's basement (I'm a homeowner), selfish (I work at a community center and donate to homeless youth causes), the list of assumptions goes on and on. It's simply not true, I can tell you this first hand. Not just me, but I have several friends who support him who are again, different races. Even the gays I know support him! Ron Paul 2012
I meant I am educated! lol, that's what I get for typing too fast
I used to belong to the Libertarian party in the 1970's when I was in my twenties. I grew disenchanted because the Libertarians, by and large, were elitist and out of touch with "average" people. Their thinking was juvenile, as I came to find their heroine's, Ayn Rand, to be, too. I can't imagine anyone who is at all disadvantaged.... poor, out of work, handicapped, lacking in education, etc..... who would find anything in their agenda appealing. But then, Libertarians wouldn't care. After all, selfishness is a virtue, and it's everyone for himself. Society is the individual. Puerile, out-of-date nonsense!
Mike - funny story - my oldest son who used to espouse some of the Libertarian theories went to vote in Brooklyn, the lever was rusted shut - he told me he took off his shoe and tried to unloosen it still didn't work - he grew up since then
By the way I personally outgrew Ayn Rand when I was twenty - 50 odd years ago dismayed me when I found out Alan Greenspan knelt at her knee, and this guy was in charge
Quote from Lee Atwater on his dying bed - Karl Rove's mentor
“I was wrong to follow the meanness of Conservatism. I should have been trying to help people instead of take advantage of them. I don’t hate anyone anymore. For the first time in my life I don’t hate somebody. I have nothing but good feelings toward people. I’ve found Jesus Christ – It’s that simple. He’s made a difference.”
P.S Ayn Rand got Social Security - but used her secretary's name and also Medicare - so much for adhering to your principles
Ron Paul...Another person the liberals fear...Thhen who don't they fear???
Ron Paul doesn’t pick and choose what parts of the constitution he can interpret in a way that benefits his political agenda like every other politician in power. Ron Paul understands the constitution as it was written, it's only purpose is to serve as a line in the sand against enemies foreign and domestic that aim to gain and abuse power over American citizens.
The suprising news here is Huntsman's second-place finish...and Amy B. Portland--part of what makes Huntsman so attractive is that, by background, he is a Republican version of Obama and most important of all, he is NOT ROMNEY. He can win Western states. I don't support Republicans but he is someone the Obama re-election team fear. He capably served under Obama and his China credentials will help off-set Obama's incumbency advantage.
Yeah, but he's kind of a goofball and he speaks in cliches. Scratch Huntsman's surface and you find another Romney.I'm not feeling it.
I cant believe MSNBC is letting us comment about RON PAUL .Or even posted this story they don't even talk about all the hundreds of polls that RON PAUL WINS .WOW
RON PAUL 2012
Even a cursory reading of Libertarian positions makes it clear that a Ron Paul Presidency would turn the U.S. into a gigantic version of Somalia. On foreign policy, I often find myself agreeing with him, but if you take a look at the kinds of domestic policies the Libertarians support, it will make all the blood drain from your head, and you'll need to sit down. Completely unworkable.
When I cast my vote it will be simple...It won't be the insults the left give every other candidate...It won't be who the left prey on or attack...It won't be hard at all for me...
It will be simple...Do I want 4 more years of a proven failed obama presidency...
That will be an easy vote for me...Anyone but Obama...
Ron Paul!!! An amazing man who follows the constitution! The best thing for America is the constitution!
I just think his intelligence scares you.
I wonder who's screws are really loose. I sure you don't even know any thing about RON PAUL, if you did you would not say that
This is just a preview of the carnival to come, presented by yours truly, the psychotic factions of the Republican Party.