It's been another fun week on First Read. Thanks to our hosts for providing political junkies like us with a place to play.

Have a terrific weekend, Happy Father's Day to all the dads and granddads. Time to head to the Dew Drop Inn where I hear there's an early Dad's Day celebration tonight.

Thanks Feisty I am vey lucky to have my father still and have kids too. So it will be a great w/e. Predicting rain for the Windy City Sat. and Sun. but we will make the best of it. Have A Wonderful week-end too.

doublea1

you may as well block quote it, I already told you he is not a member of that group. PS. I've also given you a cease and desist on using data you lifted from a private group. Keep it up. Really.

Send it to who ever you want you little P888K. But be very careful for what you widh for, things that go around come around. You can bet that Newsvine is going to inverstigate this and if your hands are as clean as you say they will find where on the internet this is, from whom, the dates and the times.

You sir have opened up a can of worms. Being a member of Libs R Us you are not going to find anything we not not already written. Yes our language in private conversation is a little more colorful than here on FR and probably a little stornger in rhetoric.

Go ahead and post them, you will be putting up things we could not or would not say because we did not want to violate the CoH. So, you my friend please feel free to do it for us.

Thanks in advance.

You're right, Navy. I am not worried about anything that's been said at all. I do feel like this is a privacy violation, though. The group settings are clearly marked private. So the fact that there is a breach is the only issue I have. Post away, doublea. There is nothing nefarious afoot. I am not sure why your posts are getting deleted.

I guess we should all be flattered that you think our contribution increases ratings, ha. I don't think any of us take ourselves that seriously.

Navy, I'll catch up with you on the flip side. Take care,

Excellent points Clara & Navy!

LOL - this idiot thinks they've got a 'smoking gun' when in actually it's a 'water pistol'! LMAO!

I'm not sure of the deletion thingy either - they should be more concerned about a knock on their door for hacking - which is indeed a crime! ;o)

Very true. We've looked for the most tactful ways to say that many Conservatives are infinite in their disrespect, favoring subterfuge and character assassination over legitimate debate of the issues.

Then along comes doublea1 airing information that was meant to be private in an attempt to de-legitimize like-minded people sharing their thoughts and blowing off a little steam

Congratulations, doublea1, you've accomplished nothing except to prove that the Conservative Movement is exactly the venue of smear merchants with authoritarian leanings that we've been trying to communicate. You're just doing it in the ugliest possible way, with your actions.

The real damage here is to the reputation of Newsvine. My guess is they'll be more concerned about it than am I.

The only thing doublea will learn is how we really feel about some of the right wing trolls we spar with everyday. So post away, in almost every case the gloves are off and you wont like what you read.

All you are showing us by your actions, is how low you conservatives will go and how scared you are of the truth. You will tell any lie, smear any person, attempt any dirty trick, in the hope you will make someone look bad, well good luck with that, as we know what we are up against and Newsvine will be more interested in you than we are.

You did not find this on an internet site, doublea, we know that. There is no connection between MSNBC and us, it is function of how the flags work. You should know that. But, it seems to me to be carrying things a bit too far to be making threats over a group of friends. I wonder why you would want to carry things that far?

You know, this whole thing is beginning to strike me as funny. I am here, a stay at home mom, retired, taking care of my critters, and someone out in cyberspace is so worried about the power that he thinks I have, that he must needs hack into an account where I talk to my friends! I guess in a backwards sort of fashion, it is quite the compliment. Me a powerful poster, (oh gosh, I am getting positively slaphappy about it) that controls the message for a large news organization who employs many people that are journalists but who can't control the message like I and my friends can! MSNBC did you know that you would be nothing without us? I do hope you are properly grateful.

I know, right, Newday? I alluded to that above. We've got practically as much political capital as, I don't know; maybe "W" after his 2006 midterms?

LMAO. good times!

nope, I get sent to the Cain lights up the RLC crowd.

I never use those newer/older tabs anyway, I just click on the First Read banner to get back to the main screen where all the stories are listed.

Gotta side with you on this one White Collar. My cursor seems to fall into that trap with annoying frequency too.

I bump them accidentally with my cursor and get yanked all through cyberspace.

The worse thing is when you have a comment ready to post and accidentally bump those tabs because you tried to make a correction first and used the mouse. Too late, just as you click for the cursor--you've gone to "older".

Exactly, Jody. I asked about this on one of the threads a couple of weeks ago, and no one responded. It doesn't happen on my monster mac, but on my 17 inch monitor at work it makes it very tough. That and the fact that my slow scrolling demons are back, but only on a PC. Anyone else on that?

I should say, I also don't like the older/newer tabs, beside not being useful, they mess me up periodically as well, as others have described.
And scrolling through comments has become a chore, slow as mud and balky.

Uh.....White Collar Auto is a lefty moonbat?

Who knew?

Oh, and if you ask for MY e-mails, and I get to only give you the ones I want you to have, think maybe you would receive some pretty vanilla reading?

Yer a real Einstein, Bob.

So that's how those FOI requests work, eh Drive By? Palin had a hand in deciding what to produce? Really?

Golly I've only issued a few, but the governmental agency has [so far] never been able to only give the documents they wanted to. Sounds like you have had a different experience. Please Drive By, do tell us about all of yhour experiences.

What's that, you never actually made a Freedom of Information request? Huh, I never would have guessed that given your comment above.

Silly little amusing Drive By. But man you do have such a bad case of Palin Fever.

Palin or her legal counsel. A LOT were withheld or if released, 'redacted'. You want us to belive she didn't? Silly you.

And you know it. N one asked you how many you have issued. What? Irrelevant? Why thank you, counsellor. What have MY experiences been? Ooops- irrelevant again. Always trying to steer the issue in a somewhat differnet direction, eh? Sorry- it's not working here....

Oh, and 'Palin Fever'- if SHE trys so hard to remain in the public eye day in and day out, who am I to deny her??

Do you know 1. what redacted means, 2. who did the redacting, or even 3. why portions were redacted?

Of course you don't. If fact it is apparent that you do not know who produced the documents. Again, silly little Drive By, you try to talk the talk, but alas...

Experience and knowledge is always relevant, but I guess my expecting you to know that are unreasonable.

I don't know who did the redacting or the withholding. There, happy?

Now, back to my original reply to WCA:

With all the redacting and withholding (no matter WHO did it, or for what reason)- maybe, just MAYBE, the reading might be more interesting, and not so bland. Nice job of trying to pull the attention away from the original idea behind my comment, though. They teach that in lawyer school? High school debate? Hey- I'm impressed.

What original point? You imply that Palin had something to do with the manner of production, the redaction or the basis for redaction.

But hey, it is progress that you just admitted that you have no idea about the "redacting or the withholding." Too bad you still have no idea why that is so important to your purported issue.

Great job on that.

Bob, This has been a Palin FreeZone until you showed up....

Thanks Anna. I'm sure you make your Dad proud every day.

-Greg

I am a dad so I Thank You, and I am proud of both you young people.

Ditto to both of you wonderful gentlemen. I'm sure you're both exceptional fathers. Hope your day is everything you could wish for.

Who are the top tier candidates? While it might be more fair to hear about them all as a group, unless there is a debate they are reported on (as is done in every primary) as individuals making their cases wherever they roam.

The absolute bestistest scientific poll ever!

http://indylib.newsvine.com/_news/2011/06/17/6883370-what-is-your-ideology-poll

, I could use a glass of whine

LOL - tell me that was intentional?

Can't pass this up Lisa....

There should be more than enough Whine to go around in your groups imaginary bar tonight......

OK, Bob- maybe Iwas too hasty. Maybe 'moonbat' is appropriate, considering the dismay expressed by an individual, knowing some folks go to an 'imaginary bar'......

OK, Bob- maybe I was too hasty. Maybe 'moonbat' is appropriate, considering the dismay expressed by an individual, knowing some folks go to an 'imaginary bar'......

There should be more than enough Whine to go around in your groups imaginary bar tonight......

We'll be sure to save your side some for Nov 2012 White Collar.

Feisty, I swear to God you have no soul. You are just a cruel, mean person to go there.

Feisty, You owe that man and this community an apology. That's just stunningly heartless even for you.

This is not personal it's a political blog and you just made it very personal.

Or, Groucho, it might have been stunningly accurate. I vote for the latter.

I can only assume that yours is a cry for help Feisty.

There is no other reasonable explanation for your comment. Other than, as noted, that you are a cruel person.

In all seriousness, it really highlights just how bad a life Feisty must really have.

This is not personal it's a political blog and you just made it very personal.

A couple of things - first he's a she!

Second - go back and read what SHE wrote & point out anything constructive or positive?

Third - her disdain for the moderators here is stunning, yet, she can't seem to get her fill.

Why couldn't she include say, Happy Fathers Day or maybe a Have a Good Weekend, better yet a thank you wouldn't hurt either?

Nope she JUST couldn't bring herself to say something NICE! It's not in her nature!

I realize you try to pass yourself off as a 'newbie' but this blog is indeed personal. Many of us go back years and have celebrated the good & the bad together...

So like I told WCA - do NOT inject yourself into things of which you do not know... K?

As to your point No Jo [and I have to admit, I've seen a lot of things, but Feisty's comment even took me by surprise] I seriously doubt First Read will touch Gun-Walker with a 10 foot pole. In fact I brought it up on an earlier thread, and to my amazement people said they had not heard of it, or the Boeing lawsuit.

Point is No Jo we can discuss what we choose. You never know, it may even open a few people's eyes.

Feisty: These are people that are going to be critical of you no matter what you say. They do not like to hear the other side, so must attack you personally. I did not think that what you wrote was cruel, but I did think it was accurate. One should have some gratitude for the gifts in life, and I do get so tired of no jo's daily litany of hate. So consider the source Feisty, and move on. They don't know the history. Love ya!

Other than, as noted, that you are a cruel person.

Look who's passing judgement on cruelty.

Feisty needs a time out, anyone, Mark, Chuck, Ali, Domenico, anyone? So much for the code of honor.

Feisty - I agree with everything she said. All valid points of interest. I do note that it is you that are attempting to prevent free discussion. Sad, given that this is a website devoted to that very thing.

Second you don't control what anyone else here says or thinks. I know you hate that, and I suspect this feeling that this is somehow your blog, or you have control which obviously arises out of the fact you have no control or real power in life. In fact, you really need to get a life, or at least shut the computer off.

Just because you are the first poster, or most prolific means absolutely nothing.

But you won't turn the computer off and you are here everyday, including all day Saturday and Sunday.

I am not a newbie, but even a newbie can glean from your posts that you are a very ignorant, vapid and powerless soul.

I actually pity you.

Excuse me, is this is the "have a nice weekend" thread?

I don't see how anyone here could go to even an imaginary bar when the rivalries and cliques are so junior-high...

Oh yeah, Have a nice weekend...

NewDay - are you that clueless?

NoJo made a comment based upon real issues related to this forum. In fact she was directly addressing what you refer to as "the other side."

Feisty personally attacked her. I'll answer my own question: Yes, NewDay, you are that clueless.

no joe, no bo - Speaking of potential news stories that we'll never see here, I like the new AP headline this afternoon trumpeting 'Obamacare waivers to be halted.' This will be big news to the majority of people who never learned that 1200+ waivers were given in the first place.

Feisty, kudos! You did a difficult deed, but it needed to be done. All of you guys befriended NoJo in her time

of misfortune eventhough she is our idealogical foe. And, whether she realizes it or not, the dressing-down

was warranted.

Enjoy Father's Day everyone.

Hmmm, what is that smell from the right wing on this board....would it be HYPOCRISY wafting through the air?

Feisty- heve you not been paying attention? Forget the moderators, SPANKIE is the driver of the 'blog pace-car' of what is or is not in good taste, or what shoud receive ridicule and what should not.

(calling somone 'clueless' or a 'monkey' is ok, for example, depending on the content of their post....)

Enjoy your weekend Savvy Senior, you said that much better than I did.

DBO: Exactly right!

Thanks for the support NDD & Savvy Senior!

Guess it was wishful thinking on my part that she would of softened if only a little...

Instead, her edge appears to have been hardened...

First, I would suggest those whining about the waivers do some research to see what they were really about. They were provided to allow states and insurance companies time to implement the law. Second, never read just the headline. Third, anyone who did not know waivers were being issues apparently paid zero attention.

Oh, come now Drive By let us [and I mean you there sparkle monkey] not forget about your calling me either gay, a homosexual or a woman. BUt as always, thanks for the shout out Drive By.

But do keep defending Feisty on this one. Like Savvy Senor said, NoJo had it coming, she is "our ideological foe."

I wonder what NewDay or Feisty would say about that? Oh wait all we have to do is go back to the Gabby Giffords threads. Ladies, can either of you recall what you were saying about "ideological foes" and discourse way back when?

I sure can.

Forget the moderators, SPANKIE is the driver of the 'blog pace-car' of what is or is not in good taste, or what shoud receive ridicule and what should not

Skanky WHO?

I put him on ignore months ago - I had enough of listening to him turn FR into his very own Fantasy Island! ;o)

FR is much MORE enjoyable these days not having to way through is attempts to garner attention!

Wow- now Spankie is comparing calling someone gay the same as calling someone clueless or a monkey. Now- explain again how you've come to equate the two? One being an insult, and the other being.....what? If I assume you are gay, I have not denigrated gays, any more than if I assume you are a Baptist, I am denigrating Baptists. YOU seem to be making that connection, though. Repeatedly.

And speaking of Palin (again)- I have to say you, sir, are 'Pulling a Palin' with this nonsense. That is- you pick up on a perceived slight, and beat it to death for months and months. Jesus- get over it one of these days.

You'r e piece of work, you are.

But isn't it amazing Feisty, how poor Spanky continues to try to demand attention from you and I?

Feisty, Me thinks you've chosen an impossible project if you're looking for a positive outcome with NoJo.

Its a pleasure to have your back and I applaud your effort.

But isn't it amazing Feisty, how poor Spanky continues to try to demand attention from you and I?

How on earth could any reputable 'attorney' (I use that term loosely) NOT know the definition of IGNORE?

Love you too! ;o)

Yeah Drive By you are right your calling me gay [and as I recall you at one point compared me to a gay accountant you once know, back when you assumed I was an accountant] was meant as a compliment.

Because people never call people gay to belittle them. In fact, there is not an entire PSA on that very subject. You know the one where all the athletes get up and say how wrong it is to call others gay? Sure you do.

Yep, I'm the only one who has ever made this connection, righ Drive By? Sure buddy. You know it'd be so much easier for you, and on you if you just came clean and said you are sorry.

But it is all just a bit creepy! Savvy, you must join us at the Inn. The music is good and the company better.

Disagreeing on idealogical issues is one thing. Cruel comments to someone on their family crisis because you disagree is a whole other level of poor taste and lack of maturity. It doesn't count as compassion if you only display it to those whose politics are the same as yours.

I was going to compare him (Spankie) with an accomplished attorney-at-law, but then I though better of it. I have no reason to denigrate accomplished attorneys.

Nothing reported on the McKinsey survey? Wow, wonder why? Or what about Daley and the meeting he had with manufactures?

Except the comment was not cruel, just factual.

First Read has written a couple times what their purpose is and the kind of stories they will publish on this site. This is not the only news site for MSNBC. Try this link for all the types of news that MSNBC covers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

Here is the ATF story you are looking for as covered by MSNBC News.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43420881

HEY- lloo at post 7.28! Someone is beating a still-dead hores (i.e.- "pullng a Paliln").

Yep. A real piece of work.

Hey, sweetie-pie, if you want to denigrate p!ss-poor typists, then I'm you monkey!

Someone is beating a still-dead hores (i.e.- "pullng a Paliln").

From the sound of him - he's pulling something all right - me thinks it ain't his Palin! ;o)

It's Father's day damn it, and if you kids can't behave I'm gonna turn this car around and nobody will get ice cream. You kids could give a woodpecker a headache!

You win the day Forrest Grump! I will sit quietly. Remind me, was that your post on unions and how they allowed your family to have an at home mom and a decent living? If it was, I really enjoyed reading it. Say hi to your wife from another at home mom!

Feisty:

You did not say anything that many who visit here were thinking but afraid to go there. Some experiences no matter how trying just do not change people. That is just how some people are wired. The hypocrisy from the right is thicker than usual lately.

And many of those waivers are for time to implement their (the States) plan or for some companies as well. In Vermont we took President Obama up on his offer that if we could do it better then he would support us. Well we passed our single payer bill, the house and senate passed it and our GGovernor signed it and a waiver is being requested. Not all the waivers are for trying to duck out as some seem to imply, most are legit of the ones I saw. Not all though.

That is just how some people are wired

Thanks Navy - I'm happy to be a 'hard-wired' liberal if that's what the alternative is!

Its a pleasure to have your back and I applaud your effort.

And I have yours!

Thanks again Savvy - it's good to see you around! Happy Father's Day to you, if applicable? ;o)

@Newdaydawning

Yes it was my post thank you, I just scratched the surface of what my union has enabled me to do. The most important was my wife being able to be a full time mom, we could have spent a second income as well as anybody but we could make it on just mine. I feel sorry for young people today who marry the person they love and respect, have children, and then have to have somebody else (sometimes several different babysitters each week) raise their kids. Nothing says family values like a full time mom, nothing is more dangerous than a female protecting her young, and nothing is more scary than her disciplining her young, nobody loves them like their own mother. It is tough for many young people today working several jobs with crappy pay trying to makes ends meet and keep a roof overhead, and I feel the kids (and probably the mother) pay a kind of price. I will tell my wife you said hello, thank you. Aside from being able to keep a modest household on my income my union enabled me to become a patented inventor, I have a teaching certificate (secondary education), I am a published author (technical textbook stuff), I am considered an expert in my field, I will be teaching a week long class at the end of the month to electrical engineers at a private company in Pennsylvania, and at the end of July I will be teaching for a week at the university of Michigan School of Engineering, and I am sometimes paid as a consultant. I do not have a college degree, I have a fair amount of education but no degree, I could only accomplish these things because I made a decent wage and fringe package and worked (worked hard) with the best in the industry who always inspired me to be the best that I could be. If me and the wife were both working jobs for 12 bucks an hour and little or no benefits none of this would have been possible. My union membership has made my life better and that is understated, but it is the honest to God truth. I hope I did not bore you, thank you for your kind words, and have a nice weekend I actually have to get ready to go to a union meeting. Happy Fathers Day to all you dads, and thank you to all the moms for making it possible.

God Bless Ya' Forrest!!! I am a proud Union man myself!! I have been in the UAW since 1999. I was a Recording Secretary / Union rep. for a few years, and I fought the good fight in the trenches. I've walked picket lines and served on election committees. I ride and march down Woodward Avenue in Detroit in our Labor Day parade. My boy is with me,...usually in a Chrysler concept car. Last year we rode in a concept called the Nukizer. Google it. It's slick lookin'.

The UAW gave me benefits that Spanky and JoannaSmith can only dream about. Pension, fully-paid medical,...(not to gloat). I know how blessed I am.

Politically, I attend protests, write in to newspapers, and I allow Democratic Party workers to stay at my home for several months at a time to work elections. I take my son with me since he was 6 years old.

Sounds like you are an accomplished person, and I'm glad to know you.

Happy Father's Day!!!

Happy Fathers Day brother Greg, I too have held responsible positions in my local, and a lot of people have no idea of all the things unions do in their communities to be good citizens. People deserves a fair days pay for a fair days works, and a relatively safe work place, that is all the union is trying to accomplish, there is nothing evil about them. Have a good weekend.

Wow. I started something that beat the imaginary bar thread.

Since I have Fiesty on ignore, I have no idea what vitriol she spewed in my direction- still, thanks to those who defended me.

I can only imagine what was said.

Still, I believe it behooves the "professional journalists" on this site to find a "place" for the "politics" that will not redound to their hero's credit.

Might, actually, boost the ratings.

Happy weekend, and happy Fathers' Day, all.

Since I have Fiesty on ignore, I have no idea what vitriol she spewed in my direction- still, thanks to those who defended me.

And therein lies the title you've so succesfully earned as the seond biggest LIAR on this blog right behind JS1!

YOU are a PHONY, FRAUD & a unsuccesul LIAR!

You have been PROVEN repeatedly to soak up EVERY comment like the right wind sponge YOU are!

Notice to NJNB - there were MORE people defending my comments then those that came to your rescue!

That little princess of yours has my deepest sympathies with a HATE riddled Grama like yourself!

Just keepon hating on... one day you will get yours! ;o)

Every dog has her day and it won't take long before YOU get yours...

Free pass. The general consensus is, she is an employee.

Anyone else would have had the account suspended.

Best to put her on ignore. There is no substance there. Well, unless you are, truly, an independent voter. If so, please read, and reread, every post.

It will make your voting decision incredibly easy.

What's the matter NJNB - hubby out of town AGAIN? I would be more worried about WHAT was UPwith that then spreading you your HATRED every chance you get?

Do YOU think the hubby wants to get it on with a BITTER OLD BROAD that couldn't day something NICE if they had a GUN to their head?

Anyone else would have had the account suspended.

Thanks again for prioving YOU are a certifiable LIAR there GF!

Again, the general consensus is, she is a paid employee. Anyone else would have had the account deleted. Please pay no attention.

Unless, of course, you are an independent. Then, please, please, pay attention to every single word.

Again, the general consensus is, she is a paid employee.

You GO get them you miserable OLD BAT M'Kay?

PS: Thought you had me on ignore?

Nothing more than further PROOF you're a LIAR & and FRAUD...

DO YOU know where your hubby is? LMAO!

Other than with someone WHO is WARM?

Forrest Grump thank you for your response, and you are far from boring. I admire the way you talk about the importance of your family, and the contributions that the union made to your security. You sound like a man of many talents, and I have enjoyed reading what you write. I am in full support of the unions, I think it is shameful that people have forgotten the security they enjoy because of the union activities throughout the years. If you are enjoying a 40 hour work week, people, it is because of UNIONS! Anyway, a very happy Father's Day to you!

Feisty's account should be deleted, This is over the top.

What's the matter NJNB - hubby out of town AGAIN? I would be more worried about WHAT was UPwith that then spreading you your HATRED every chance you get?

Do YOU think the hubby wants to get it on with a BITTER OLD BROAD that couldn't day something NICE if they had a GUN to their head?

Anyone else would have had the account suspended.

Thanks again for prioving YOU are a certifiable LIAR there GF

theotas; when are you going to make a relevant comment on First Read?

Feisty's last three comments are nothing but unsolicited personal attacks. The comment by NoJo at 7.45 was addressed at the forum content. She says she ignores Feisty and in response Feisty attacked her. Just no reason for that kind of behavior.

If there is a code of conduct personal attacks must be outlawed. Particularly ones going after someone's family, that refer to guns. Is there a moderator on this board?

THere is no place for this at a forum like this. If I say something Feisty Readhead doesn't like will she comment upon my husband?

Feisty must be banned. No one could possibly defend her comments. There is no justification for them, and they really speak to Feisty's character.

says muffintop, in a remarkable personal attack.

Muffintop, she will not be banned. I have concluded that she must be an employee. No one else could possibly get away with the name calling, attempted intimidation, or vitriolic ad hominem attacks that fly by the board moderators.

Maybe it's Rachel Maddow.

Kind of ironic when you think about it NDD…

All this poutragefrom the NJNB fan club members who aren’t quite bright enough to grasp the
notion she’s has me on ‘ignore’…

Remember? *wink wink*

@newdayDawning

Your very kind, but honestly it is not really a case of me having many talents as it is taking the one thing I know well, and have worked at for over 30 years and pushing it as far and in as many directions as I could.

Hey you want to hear a stay at home mom joke:

A man rings a doorbell and a 13 year old boy holding a can of beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other answers the door. The man says "is your mother home?" and the kid says "what the hell do you think butthead?"

NoJo is a proved to be a liar and fraud. She has been called out by those who police this board for her misinformation in her posts and she does not have Feisty on ignore as you can see. She consistently respond to Feisty's posts which is difficult if you have them on ignore and are not reading them. Just go back and look for yourselves over the pass months. She is an attention starved person trying to make herself important. She is like that person that goes to a big fancy Party all deck out and nobody notices.

Ignore her and she will dry up and blow away.

Forrest Grump! I am still laughing! Just read your joke to my husband, who enjoyed it very much! My kids are raised too, but I enjoyed my years at home with them. Lots of animals, lots of activity! We all felt lucky to be able to do it, even though there are some sacrifices.

Feisty: no jo will NEVER be able to resist reading what you write! I am always amused at the right wing thinking the DDI is imaginary. It isn't, and it has a great facade!

Navy do you condone Feisty's references to another's husband and family members? Is that what this forum is about, calling out people's family and sex life..."hubby getting it on with a bitter old broad..."

Just not place for this here.

Well said, NDD. Have a nice weekend. That brisket sounds delicious.

Thanks Jody, you too!

I'm confused. Does GOD want 2 or 3 people to be president? At the same time??

He seems to be pretty generous with the endorsements these days.....

He really does DBO. I think it is as entertaining to Him as it is to us. All it means is that God has a sense of humor!

We in MN love God's sense of humor..snow in May and two candidates for president!?!

Everyone have a relaxing weekend and come back rested. I thank many of you for great comments, learned a lot, laughed a lot. DDI is a perfect place to unwind, after reading all these FR discussions on my day off. May all the Fathers on these boards be surrounded by your loved one this weekend.

And Northstar....have a good weekend to you, my fellow Minnesotan!

God talking directly to people (telling them to run for president) is the part that really spooks me. God talking directly to me is scary stuff, at my age if he did talk to me directly I afraid he might just say "see you soon Forrest".

LOL!! Forrest, I am in the same boat.

Great analysis, as long as we ignore the Prosser election.

But other than that, right on.

I smell insolvency, but then being from Detroit, and working for the mighty Chrysler Corp. I have to believe you are readily familiar with that smell.

Me, too, I live in Cali after all. I sure hope Obama hurries up and gives us the Chrysler treatment too.

Great analysis, as long as we ignore the Prosser election.

Not ignoring the Prosser election at all Spanks. Thanks for bringing it up. Early polls had Prosser coasting to an easy win by over a 2 - 1 margin!!

Then the Wisconsin labor battle happened. Sentiment turned.

Suddenly, Prosser found himself gasping for electoral life, and barely won with 7,500 "discovered" votes. Not the comfy win he thought. Prosser crawled ashore with his life intact,......barely.

Terrific post, Greg in Detroit. The beltway media ignores what is happening elsewhere in the country when they do their election analyses.

Yes greg - that was the "sleeping Giant" that had been awoken after weeks of rallies and protests.

Too bad it failed.

So, when do you suppose we here in Cali can get some Chrysler like love? Heck at this point we'd love to get a $4 billion dollar loan from the Dept. of Energy. We may some shiny electric cars.

Too bad it failed.

Failed? By DOUBLING election turnout? If that is your idea of failure then I will take it.

"Sleeping Giant"? Remember who uttered those words? Remember who coined that phrase? A guy who feared he was going to get his a** handed to him in a paper bag,.....and that is pretty much what happened.

The guy was Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, and our fearsome resolve hasn't been felt yet. The Tempest of Freedom is forming above, and I don't think many repubs will survive it.

By the way Spanky, care to tell us who won Scott Walker's old seat? C'mon. Yer' sooo good at trivia.

Toothless? How much has Boeing spent thus far in litigation costs?

Judges are swayed? So the courts are not reviewing these cases from an unbiased position? huh.

Explain please, cause if you are saying what I think you are trying to say, we got big, big problems. The NLRB is the government, you know that, right?

Good think you really have no idea.

Going to be interesting to hear the NLRB's ruling on this one, but it almost sounds like a ruling from the SCOTUS will be in the offing.

As I see it, at issue are the provisions of the Taft-Hartley Act.

We'll see...........

Thanks Pat. More of the same to you. I'm still mulling over what I will ask for with the "Breakfast in Bed" thing.

Maybe a giant-ass vat of Fruit Loops with hemp milk!! :o) Are Fruit Loops organic?

I don't care if they get their color from old lead paint they still taste good!

Yeah they do. They still make "Count Chocula"?

I need a 'listing' of some of our top requested songs at the Dew Drop for a little project I am working on. I tried to send you a message through the "in box" on your newsvine profile. Trying to do it a bit on the d-low. So hit me private message,...

Talk to you later,

More Nixon era break-ins from the Conservative criminal !!

doublea1 = no first amendment rights for those that think differently.

doublea1,

not only a member, also the 'president',...so what? you don't have enough friends to form a posse? sounds like a personal problem.

by the looks of it, nj could use some offline lovin',...why don't you create a little lovenest of your own?

P.S. To all the folks who got their fee fees hurt by Feisty's comment . . . newsflash . . . other folks have feelings too. You reap what ya sow, like it or not.

What can I say GF - YOU ARE SIMPLY the BEST!

I would LOVE to have a drink with you! ;o)

*hugs*

Best wishes to you too Feisty. A round of pomegranate martinis to whoever wants one.

A round of pomegranate martinis to whoever wants one.

As long as it has a lemon twist - I'm game! lol

BTW - Happy Daddy's Day to you! I'm a Captain Crunch kind of girl myself! ;o)

Capn' Crunch eh? Well ahoy there matey, and one with a lemon twist is coming your way!!

Thanks for the good wishes!

xo

-Greg

*clinks glasses* Cheers my liberal friend - keep on posting!

We have the Viagra addicted impotents on the ropes! LOL

We have the Viagra-addicted impotents on the ropes! LOL

WOW,....ropes eh? Sounds right up Spanky's alley!

**Reaches for beer nuts**

Yo' barkeep,.....can ya' get Feisty and my other battle-weary buddies a couple orders of Armadillo eggs,.......extra jalapeno' dip?? We'll be OK as long as you keep getting us stuff to put the fires out with.

WOW,....ropes eh? Sounds right up Spanky's alley!

SHHHHS - I prefer the handcuffs myself- but don't tell anyone m'KAY?

Don't worry AA1. She gives as good as she gets.

Your secret's safe Feisty. :o)

Your secret's safe Feisty. :o)

I knew if I could count on anyone it would be you! ;o)

Lock me up will ya?

OK,....now where'd we leave those keys?

After all the cufffs are American made. :o)

After all it's American made.

HOLLA! ;o)

U2 Time4

Time4truth, I will second that!! Thanks everyone for a great read. And Greg thanks for the drinks and your hospitality to the volunteers in your town. Great post earlier.

And Greg thanks for the drinks and your hospitality to the volunteers in your town. Great post earlier.

Thanks Northstar!!! Please lead the fight up there in the "land of 10,000 lakes", and please do not send us any more Bachmans or Pawlentys!!

Pinky Promise?

Please do read all my posts.

You will find no ad hominem attacks.

You will find plenty of criticism of Obama- and that I posted that the stimulus would fail, as it has. It was doomed to fail- that kind of intervention always fails to stimulate anything but the deficit.

I did give him the benefit of the doubt on Libya in the beginning. It was not until it was clear he was screwing that up, along with everything else he puts his hand to, that I withdrew my tentative support.

Actually, if you read through the "other's" posts, you will find that the level of discourse seriously degenerated AFTER the mid terms.

I am thinking that the posters on the left are still having a hard time accepting the judgment of the electorate.

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You are a fraud, Donna. You know it, I know it and the majority of posters on this site know it.

But wrap yourself in righteous indignation. It's amusing as hell. May G-d have mercy on your 'soul'.

Clara KCMO,

No one is trying to silence Feisty. She is entitled to her opinion and free to express it here as long as it is does not violate the rules established by Newsvine's Code of Honor. I typically disagree with her posts but I will, under any and all circumstances defend her right to post them, as long as she does not violate the COH.

Whatever NJNB said in her posts are her views and should be treated as political. If you disagree, state your disagreement in a reply to the post. If they violate the code, the community will collapse them as they have done with comments on dozens of occasions. Complain to the moderators if there is no other recourse. There is NO justification for personal attacks against NJNB, her husband and her family. It violates Rule 1 of the Code of Honor and many of other posters have been suspended for posting offensive posts under that rule.

This is NOT about her honor or reputation. There is a distinction between civil discourse and personal attack. Would you like me to attack your husband and family on this post? You don't think those posts were way beyond what would be considered acceptable? It was purely personal and based totally about her politics. It was beyond cruel and heartless considering the family trauma she recently experienced, yet you somehow defend these personal attacks as justified.

May I respectfully suggest that you look up the meaning of the word hypocrite. It includes the following: ": a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue". While you're at it, look up virtue and just what a liberal stands for.

You're the one who a week or so ago told me to calm down, it's only a blog.

It is only a blog and there is no place on it for the PERSONAL vitriol spewed by Feisty and her supporters simply because they have a difference in political philosophy.

I maybe a newbie on FR but I know the difference between political discourse and hate and so should you and everyone who posts here.

Groucho,

njnbnj/Donna Lincroft, NJ has been outed as a liar for YEARS. So yes,...Feisty's point was to her REPUTATION built over YEARS. PS. Not based on her politics at all, but again on years of hate, antagonism and poutrage.

After you just admitted you don't know nojo, why did you call her a hypocrit? Again, I beg you to go back to some of her EARLIER postings and then teach me about virtue. On this poster and point, there is no quarter. Donna has earned every comment sent her way.

Clara,

When does reputation include the comments made about her husband? I would re-post them for you to read but I won't embarrass myself by doing it. They were hateful and reprehensible. You know it as well as I do.

I didn't call her a hypocrite and I don't need to know her or read her posts to know the comments were inappropriate.

I simply cannot find a way to justify them for any reason no matter what the history.

Have a good Fathers Day.. my kids are here now.

Groucho,

Enjoy your kiddos,...we are doing a Shrek marathon with ours right now. I may not agree with Feisty's style at all times; but on THIS poster/issue - I'm simply not going to back down. njnbnj/Donna is not so virtuous and without sin to warrant a particular brand of 'dressing down'.

It's too bad you don't have the full history as to not understand that there is simply NO political motivation to Feisty's comment. None whatsoever. (I was using a little sarcasm in turning your definition of a hypocrit into exactly what nojo truly is - forgive me my 'overreach').

Seriously, I do hope you enjoy your day. We overdid yesterday so we are enjoying the 'down' day!

Of course, and I yours!