LOL......this must be joke. NY26, and WI should tell you more. we are banging.

no kidding Feisty, and it's intersting you never hear Republicans on this board passionately promoting any Republican candidate beside Daniels and maybe Ron Paul.

you never hear Republicans on this board passionately promoting any Republican candidate beside Daniels and maybe Ron Paul.

Good catch Amy! I noticed that too...

Kind of hard to do when you have no material to work with! lol

and Feisty, right-wingers don't even try to defend Romney, whereas any crack about President Obama makes me so mad I attack the keyboard like a group of Navy Seals swarming over Osama's hide-out.

Yeah, I'm more than happy to leave the cheer leading and passion to you libbies. Me, I actually look at results.

Oh and Feisty we got PLENTY of material to work with - failed stimulus, ballooning debts, rising unemployment. Hey, shall we discuss Fannie and Freddie? No? How about QE2?

Yep old gal, we got nothing.

But Puis is right - you all got NY26. But Pius what part about Wisconsin do you got? Certainly not Prosser. The recalls are 3 each, so that leaves you with just a sleeping giant. Sleep tight little giant.

As the others have already implied, "against what field"? Actually, I think Obama against any one of them would be exciting on an amusement level hardly ever seen before in American politics. If he runs against Bachmann or Palin, heck YES the base will be fired up.

But I think the real task will be firing up the Independent base.

Oh Anna M. You too?

I assumed you were around during the Bush 1 years and got the memo. Sure he had 90% approval rating, but as Weiner's personal adviser so astutely said "It's the econ..

Oh well you know the rest.

So what's this about democrats in the recall elections having to go through a primary now, but not Republicans? That's not a good thing for the poor Wisc. dems, right?

makes me so mad I attack the keyboard like a group of Navy Seals swarming over Osama's hide-out.

LOVE LOVE LOVE the visual on that Amy! LMAO!

Spanky:

So what's this about democrats in the recall elections having to go through a primary now, but not Republicans? That's not a good thing for the poor Wisc. dems, right?

(shrugs her shoulders) Don't worry your pretty little head about it Spanky, everthing will be done right eventually. We're definitely not like the rest of the country. It's kind of like the jokes we tell in around here.

"Hey Sven, " said Ole, "how many Swedes does it take to grease a Combine?" After Sven replied, "I don't know." Ole said, "Only two, if you run them through real slow."

Or maybe this one:

Ole wore both of his winter jackets when he painted his house last July. The directions on the can said "put on two coats".

As for Clinton/Bush, I suspect it's unlikely you made a typo there, and yes, the economy was important, but try to remember that Bush 41 was running against Bill Clinton, and then envision, say ... Rudy Giuliani ... running against Barack Obama. We could be at 20 percent unemployment, and Obama wins that, hands down.

I'm sure you are right and my pretty little head is not worried. Amused yes, worried, no.

I think there will be no net effect, one way or the other, but we shall see.

Anna-

Helga accused Ole of getting pretty gassed at his wedding reception. After walking in on his new bride and Sven in the sack togheter, Ole said "well, hell, Helga- you think I'M drunk- you should see Sven- HE'S so drunk, he thinkks he's ME!

But serriously- think I can get Spank to take a picture of what's in my pants, so we can tell if it's mine?

Maybe not, though- he never DID say if the 'many dick pics' he's taken are of his own, or someone else's...

How about it, counselor? Yours, or everyone else's? Inquiring minds, you know.

But serriously- think I can get Spank to take a picture of what's in my pants, so we can tell if it's mine?

Depends. How much money are you offering?

If the Republicans run on change they are sure to lose. About the the only thing they've changed is a more fervent desire to destroy Amerca. Any idepedepent who can't see this is just complying with those train wreckers.

Maybe not, though- he never DID say if the 'many dick pics' he's taken are of his own, or someone else's...

Would someone pass me a magnifying glass so we can determine if it's his or not?

Feisty did you see the poll on Face the Nation last Sunday?

The Pew Research Center and the Washington Post teamed up to find out how America feels about the current (possible) candidates for the Republican party's 2012 bid. The top response was unimpressive, perhaps because it was the most polite way to say many of the other words on the list.

"Thinking about the candidates running for the Republican presidential nomination, if you had to use one single word to describe your overall impression of this group of candidates, what would that one word be?" The question was left open-ended, with no suggestions given, and researchers grouped variations on a word (e.g., dislike/don't like/unlikeable) together in their count. Of the top five responses, only one was positive:

unimpressive

disappointing

weak

good

incompetent

Other popular responses included pathetic, unqualified, idiots, confusing and hopeful. Multiple people also put it simply as "blah."

No - I didn't see that Robert, thanks for sharing!

I would add:

lackluster - monotonous & DULL! ;o)

Why was he taking picture of someone else's?

Not sure he was. All I know is- he posted that he's taken 'lots of dick pictures'. He never would say of whos's though. Guess he's too worried about Feisty's opinions of Obama. Or some other poster's opinion of something or other.....

First let me just say I am positively touched that my junk is such an important and viable topic of conversation. You love me, you really, really love me. :)

But to be clear, as it appears that Drive By is fixated on the subject of my junk, and my photography skills, all of the dick pics I have taken are of my junk. In fact, me and Ms. Spank have a fairly regular Friday afternoon ritual., or shall I say, mutual photo exchange. I am LOVING the new phones.

I also will occasionally snap a picture of my junk on her phone then move it to the contact photo. That way when I call her it POPs up. She loves that one. Ok she hates that one but it is so damn funny to see her look down and be confronted with Mr. Happy.

Tell you what Drive By, since you are so fascinated, and tomorrow is Friday I will make an announcement here before I snap tomorrow's photo. I presume that will make you happy. Now to me it sounds a little pervy, a la Weiner, but if it makes you happy I am here for you buddy.

And for everyone else I sincerely hope you all have as greatof a relationship, and a fantastic of a spouse as me. Ms. Spanky RULES!

I have no doubt that Pres. Obama can fire up the liberal base and MSM. I am not sure that moderates and Independents will go a long for the ride.

any crack about President Obama makes me so mad I attack the keyboard like a group of Navy Seals swarming over Osama's hide-out.

Except the SEALs are highly skilled at what they do, you're not.

Grimey, I forgot to congratulate you. Good question

lisa s-1749992

Lisa, I am an Independent and the thing that is turning me off in DC is the Congress sitting on their thumbs not allowing America to move forward. Their self proclaimed aim is getting Obama out and in the meantime America is hurting. If they would get over themselves and allow the POTUS to help get the economy and jobs and allow Americans to get their country back then people would be working and spending money and a lot of the stuff they are fighting about would simply go away. More revenue will do more for America right now than any of the long term proposals the GOP is offering up. It is way to obvious what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Robert-1960, I am not being critical of the administration. I think both sides are stalling. If both sides didn't take so much money from Wall St, Business and the banks maybe something would get done.

Maybe Obama can take some "campaign" pics of himself. Nothing else seems to be working.

Allen-Omaha

Whar you are proposing will never happen. Businesses now are more adept at shipping their factories and workforce off to China and other cheap labor countries rather than creating jobs in America. This will continue to happen and possibly accelerate if the Republicans get into office in 2012, for the money that they get in tax savings under any Republican plan will NOT be invested in the United States, but rather in China, and other cheap labor countries. That is exactly what happened under the Bush Tax cuts, which Obama extended.

I think that in 2012, if the unemployment rate stays at its current level, Obama is going to have a very powerful argument on his side against the Republicans which states that yes, he (Obama) did extend the Bush Tax cuts for the wealthy as a comprimise to the Republicans, and not one new job was created as a result of this. Obama will retake his stand on cancelling the tax cuts for the wealthy (making over $ 250,000.00 a year), which will give businesses a choice, either hire people (which by the way is a tax writeoff for business expenses), or pay more in income taxes.

Yes, I know that the stimulus failed, but there were good reasons that it failed. Stimulus money was aimed and provided to Big Business for these so-called shovel ready projects, and what some of these big businesses did was criminal. Instead of hiring new people, these big businesses overworked their existing staff (in many cases not paying overtime to existing salaried staff which is legal), and fattened their bottom line. If there was ever another stimulus program that may be started (highly unlikely under a Republican house), either the stimulus money should be awarded to small business with Government audits conducted to assure that jobs were actually created, or be awarded in direct Government hires. Small business is far more adept at creating jobs than Big Business, if the conditions are right (e.g. if Stimulus money was awarded through small business contracts).

You have heard his latest "plan?"

Brace yourself Groucho, you will no likey, like. Me? LOVING IT!

Uh, Amy dear, you do understand that teacher, unions and public workers are all the same group?

It's ok Amy, I know you loves you some Obama and for you it's all about passion.

Problem for you and Obama is most people do have silly school girl crushes on him. In fact most expect him to produce results. Problem is he certainly has, and they are very bad.

Screw up number one for Obama was entrusting his biggest weapon in the battle, the stimulus to those economic gurus, Red and Pelosi. And now he has little left.

Psst. Amy are you ready for another round of tax cuts? Gonna be great right? It is exactly what you think Obama ought to do, I just know it is.

tax cuts for me, tax hikes for you. That's what I think President Obama should do :)

Did anyone besides Spanky and myself hear the President announce that he was extending the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years? Another promise broken. He sounded like an apologist.

Fire up the base, ready to go my butt!

Ah but alas Amy its going to be tax cuts for ALL. And of course if he includes self employment tax I get a much bigger cut than you. Or maybe just a tax holiday in toto. You get that since I pay far more in taxes than you, that really, really is good news for me? Great, right?

Huh, that sounds mighty republican like. I presume though, now that it comes from Obama, you are totally is support, right Amy?

See I've always know we could find common ground. Of course by "common" I mean you have come completely over to my way of thinking. You know the Right way.

See, a desperate Obama is a reasonable Obama.

Now let's see some of that passion Amy.

History is against you Spanky. Don't forget, I lived through the lost decade, and I don't have the same amnesia that right-wingers like you have. Republican economic policies don't work, tax cuts do not create jobs or grow anything except income inequality.

So Amy, why did Obama do just what you said didn't work?

Good - we got Amy on record :Tax cuts do not work.

Now Amy, how will you "loove" of all things Obama be effected when he cuts taxes again. See he seems to disagree with you.

I assume you will just ignore it, like you did when he continued the Bush rates.

So haow about this - answer my man Groucho's question. Cause see, I love libbie on libbie crime.

Groucho Marx

politics? The President has to work with a Teapublican House and a split Senate. I'm just guessing.

Amy B. Portland, ME..

Amy...listen to his speech. He just caved. Basically got nothing in return. There is no good spin.

Stop wasting your time Groucho - she either does not understand you, or is just that clueless.

Either way, it makes no difference.

I do feel for her - it is about to get so much worse for her and the mindless Obama supporters. Even when he does the exact opposite of what he said, or what they want, some, like Amy will contiue to LOOVE him. So sad, yet funny.

Groucho,

Our President was put between a rock and a hard place where the rock was the Republican stranglehold on the Senate (minority rule - filibuster) and the hard place being the “clock”. If he stuck to his promise all the tax cuts would have expired increasing taxes on the middle class, those making less than $250k which would have broken another promise. So in economic hard time he chose the smarter path – extend them all while getting an extension of unemployment benefits.

If you were President what would you have done and what effect do you think your actions would have on the economy and your base?

Spanky,

I was mad about him not fighting for a single payer system. Mad about the renewal of the Patriot Act.

This just leaves me speechless.

Hey everyone, start deleting that tax the wealthiest 2% paragraph from your posts for tomorrow.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio..

For real, a rock and a hard place. Increasing taxes on the middle class, like how? College tuition credit extended. What other taxes? The EIC stays in place. You making under $14,000 cause if your not it doesn't apply. What taxes benefits will you see?

Groucho,

Perhaps I didn’t follow the conversation I thought you were talking about the extension of the Bust tax cuts last Dec. That is what my reply was about.

Dennis, Columbus, Ohio..

No Dennis, today as a compromise with the GOP.

My fellow Dems never listen,I tell them ALL the time Obama has gone against EVERY campaign promise he made, except one ( Cramming Healthcare down our throats). He has followed in Bush's footsteps from the very first week in office, it's disgusting.

I've got news for you,this is not the time to get cocky. He has pissed off, MANY Independents,many Mexican Americans, and more Blacks than you think. He has not delivered! Wake up or we will have another REPUB President. This could be another one term just like Carter, another NO SOLUTION Pres.

I think more voters will take this election more seriously. Given, the consequences of the last election are clearer.

No, you don't try to change horses in mid-stream!

The present policies ARE WORKING, certainly Much, much better than the previous leadership, and will obtain even better results over time. DO NOT go for that same ol' sales pitch that gave us Hoover in 1928, Reagan in the '80s and W the first eight years of this century... We have seen what that does (i.e. reverse the policies that bring prosperity to this nation in order to allow the greedy wealthiest 4% to put even more in their pockets and hoard it from the rest)

All the wingnuts/t-baggers better develop some patriotism for our country and cease attempting to cause our President's agenda, policies and ideas to either be stopped or, if they can't stop them, fail (by insisting upon all those unrelated amendments/modifications/changes to the introduced legislation.

WE ALL SEE WHAT IS GOING ON, and so does your mother. We aren't going for it again in 2012!

To UAW...

By the way, what is left of the Middle Class. NOTHING. Any new jobs that are created now are at Burger Flipper wages, and NOT middle class jobs. These former US Middle Class jobs are now in India, China, etc thanks to the MegaCorporations shipping these jobs there for cheap labor. Go to places like Bangalore, India, or New Delhi, and you find LOTS of IT job openings and call center job openings being formed by the US Mega Corporations, but at wages of 1/5 th of what is paid in the USA. Fortunately, for the USA, due to the severe labor shortages of IT workers in India, wages for these IT workers are going up 30 to 40 percent per year, which will not make it cost competitive to do business in India, and possibly these jobs will return to the USA.

Possibly, in the long run, it will balance out. But I feel that Republican policies in terms of what they are saying WILL NOT create jobs (but possibly cause more unemployment due to cutbacks in Government spending), but will continue to accelerate outsourcing which is being done now.

That is the dirty little secret.

Amy will always LOOVE him. Independents and especially the youth vote, not so much. Have you seen the tidal shift in votes under 25? Poor bastards are all un/under-employed.

No Hope for them. Just living with the folks.

Some might think he's the "Teflon President" and maybe he does too.

He's not and after today's "WTF did he do" he is going to take a ton of well deserved shXX.

Spanky, I found it pretty interesting that the day after Bin Laden was killed, the number one search on Google for the 18-24 year old demographic was "Who is Osama Bin Laden?"

Unemployed, living in Mom's basement isn't what most of those kids had planned for their future in 2008.

Groucho, you aren't helping. Perhaps that's your intent, if so, you'll have plenty to bitch about after you've helped elect Mitt Romney.

xx

Amy B. Portland, ME,

Please read the comments below from democrats and independents. I voted for him in 2008, on a platform of change and the promise of jump starting the country. He has not lived up to that promise. He needs to take a stand and fight for what he believes and not compromise on the core principles of his Presidency. He gave the GOP a win today, a big win by allowing the Bush tax cuts to live on. What do you see as the upside? I see none.

Amy, it's ok to criticize the man when he's wrong and he's been wrong a lot lately. He is not the second coming nor is he perfect. Unless you criticize what you do not agree with you are NOT doing your job as a citizen. Blind obedience is not the American way.

I could not vote for any of the GOP candidates fielded now.

Helping is always telling the truth, good or bad. It makes this country stronger.

See Groucho - Amy clearly cannot process what you are saying. So what does she do?

She starts criticizing you. See, now you are the idiot.

So looks like you either tow the line, or Amy and her ilk will de-friend you. And like she admitted this is all about passion.

White collar auto, Yesterday I spoke with a young man (27) who I have known since birth. He Graduated from Pratt 2 years ago with a degree in Architecture. He worked for a plumbing firm in NYC for a year and now is working as a bartender. He voted for Pres. Obama in 08 he will not support him in 12.

To Lisa. Probably that friend that you were talking about had many of his former architecture jobs shipped off to India (if there were any architecture jobs left in the USA). India has a very strong archtitecture and engineering workforce, and they are stealing these jobs away from Americans at about 1/5 the wage that Americans get. This trend will no doubt that this will accelerate if a Republican President and Republican Congress will get into office in 2012.

Agree totally; see 6.2 above.

But Americans are really stupid so you just never know.

Steeler you hit the nail on the head today.

I used to be more of a junkie than I am now....just plain sick and tired of all the insults..both from our elected folks and the posters. In my opinion, it's over the top and shows a complete lack of critical thinking. It's just plain lazy to attack the other guy.

When you go away from "the stuff" for a while and then return...well first it's like a soap opera...not much changes. Then you realize that there really are very few people who spend much time keeping up. If I use 20 of my friends/family as an example...2 of them pay attention. I expect they, as most of the rest of the voting population, will look for crib sheets just before the next election.

OBAMA '12

Mitch,

You hit the nail square on the head with your posts. Nicely put...

To TorpedoYou. I think you are right, the recession is going to last a LONG time. These 20 million Americans who are underwater on their mortgages made a very bad decision to buy a house when Real Estate prices skyrocketed from 2001 to 2006, and are now paying for it with a lot of negative equity. I have a friend in Las Vegas who bought a house in 2006, paid (and got a mortgage on a house) $ 260,000.00, and now the house is worth $ 80,000.00, She is still paying on that $ 260,000.00 mortgage, for if she walked away from the house, and foreclosed, her credit rating would be destroyed for 10 years, and she would not be able to get credit.

Fortunately, for me, I stayed out of the Real Estate market, and just rented during that period, and pocketed the savings. No negative equity/underwater for me. I saw the trend coming, and I just stayed out. Many people should have done what I did, and stay out of the Real Estate market, and if they did, prices would not have skyrocketed, and we would not be in the mess that we are in now with regard to housing.

In terms of modifying mortgages like you indicated, to a certain extent, I agree with you, and to a certain extent, I disagree with you. In the context of agreeing with you, it is noted that the Banks got a HUGE bailout in 2008, receiving BILLIONS in texpayer and borrowed money to keep them afloat. To a certain extent, it did work, since if it was not done, banks would have fell and failed like dominoes like what happened in the Great Depression, and people would have lost their lifes savings as a result of this failure. The FDIC would have failed, and thus deposits would not have been guranteed, and as I said, many (including myself) would have lost their lifes savings. But on the other hand, what should have happened as a condition of the bailout, banks should have been forced to modify mortgages, possibly to lower principal owed on an underwater property.

On the other hand, forcing banks to modify mortgages I think is a bad idea in the respect that this forces irresponsible lending practices on behalf of both banks and borrowers for home loans. A borrower for a real estate loan would say, well, I am not really taking a gamble, since if the price of the property went up, I would pocket the savings/gains, but when the price of the property goes down, I will have the bank eat up any of the losses, and I would not have to realize the loss. The stock market does not work that way (when you invest in the stock market), and housing should work the same way. Irresponsible lending practices got us in this mess in the first place in the housing arena, and modifying loans to a substantial amount will again foster these irresponsible lending practices.

In short, it is going to take a long time to fix this mess, and I feel that if it is the case of Obama vs. the Republicans, Obama is the lesser of two evils.

Congratulations, President Bachmann, you have won a narrow victory after Independents like Journey towards Peace decided to stay in their room on election day because no one really "appealed" to him.

Journey:

Independent as well, I feel the same way mostly. I feel like Obama could make a difference but he is being held hostage in a way since the Congress is sitting on their thumbs not wanting the POTUS to get any victories like help America and get the economy and jobs rolling. The GOP is really turning me off with this, they are not talking jobs except in 10 years. The report yesterday that revenue is up, if they did get rid of tax cuts and collected more revenue a lot of the stuff they are sitting up there fighting about would simply become a non issue.

I agree we need cuts to the budget, I agree once the economy is back rolling that spending needs to be cut but I also think tax breaks and trickle down economics are killing us

Robert, you are correct:

" Congress is sitting on their thumbs not wanting the POTUS to get any victories..."

Proof can be seen in the Bin Laden situation; all the wingers, t-baggers, etc. loudly and continuously insisting that W "got him," NOT Obama. There are numerous other examples they try to cover up with therir spin, but most of us can see what is going on.

The really sad part of this is that their actions cause extreme harm to our nation. Still, they will cut off their nose to spite their face in order to maintain the agenda of insuring Obama is a one term President. But it is not just our nation, but you and I and countless other citizens who also get hurt by this behavior; therefore, we MUST mobilize, organize and oust those who are trying to do us harm.

Simple survival.

To Barb H. Personally, when the situation with the Tax Cuts came up in 2010, I would have liked to just see the tax cuts expire on their original date, and blame the Republicans on this one. The problem, though is the tax cut extension bill was tied to also extending unemployment benefits, and this unemployment extension was not done, many families would be in a world of hurt due to not receiving unemployment benefits. Obama had a gun put to his head by the Republicans, and he caved in.

Unfortunately, the Republicans are doing it again with the debt limit issue. If something is not done by August on this one, effectively the US Government would be in default, which may deteriorate the US Governments credit rating, and raise interest rates on what the US Government has to borrow to keep afloat. But in this case, I do hope that Obama does stand firm on this one, and effectively if the US Government defaults, we can again blame the Republicans for not comprimising on this one. This will leave a very bad taste in many voters hands of what the Republicans intentions are.

As an Independent I worry about my children's future if the Democrats keep borrowing a spending at the current rate. I don't think either party's current plans takes care of the future.

Nancy, Your post makes no sense.

Nancy: Take your meds and calm down...especially since President Obama will be re-elected in 2012 and you will stay bitter and angry for another 5+ years.