After putting aside a potential bid to be the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is calling for unity in his party, warning that the search for a “pure” candidate could ultimately disappoint GOP voters and enable President Barack Obama’s re-election next year.
“We cannot expect our candidate to be pure,” Barbour told conservative activists Friday at the 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference in Washington D.C. “Winning is about unity.”
Whoever the nominee may be at the end of the contested presidential primary, Barbour said, “I am not going to agree with him or her on everything. … You’re not going to agree with them on every single thing, either.”
Barbour’s remarks came the day after party infighting garnered headlines in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire, where perceived frontrunner Mitt Romney received fresh criticism from Republican political superstars Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani on the same day he officially jumped into the 2012 contest.
Barbour issued a stern warning to conservative GOP voters Friday, reminding the attendees at the Ralph Reed-backed confab that, in politics, "purity is the enemy of victory."
“You gotta get [it] in your head right now," he instructed in his characteristic drawl, "'I’m going to fight for my person. When it’s over, I am going to support the person that’s going to beat Barack Obama.'”
Asked by reporters after his remarks what prompted the homily on party accord, Barbour said he has consistently counseled against hard-and-fast criteria for “perfect” candidates.
“And I don’t care if you nominate the most conservative candidate. There are going to be some people who don’t agree with them on everything,” he said. “That’s just a fact.”
He did not directly criticize Palin for taking swipes at Romney on the day of his announcement, saying only that “the campaign will be about issues.”
Rep. Michele Bachman (R-MN), another likely presidential candidate who has recently delivered some intraparty jabs, also declined to comment on Palin’s hectic summer-vacation-turned-political-bonanza bus tour this week when she was hoarded by reporters after her address to the conference.
And Bachmann didn't take an opportunity to repeat her criticism of fellow Minnesota Republican Tim Pawlenty, whom she called out yesterday for his previous openness to government insurance mandates.
Asked if past support for the individual mandate is an automatic disqualifier for GOP candidates like Pawlenty and Romney, Bachmann said she rejects the mandate as unconstitutional, but that "the voters will make that decision."


He says, while Bible Spice steamrolled Mittens BIG announcement yesterday! lol
By the time the jello wrestling is over, who ever comes out victorious will be badly bruised & bloodied! ;o)
The Teapublican primary will be the gift that keeps on giving for Democrats...
Aww, poor Feisty.
She has got a real bad case of Palin-itis. Has to bring her up in every article.
Try to just let it pass Feisty.
I never would have expected the Dilbert comic strip to be zinging the FR lefty liberals, but, here is today’s:
Scene: business meeting in conference room
Unknown character: “How can you compare outsourcing to our restrooms? Are you a racist?”
Dilbert: “Um… I didn’t say anything remotely like that. Did you learn to debate on the internet?”
Unknown character: “How can you tell?”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Spanky-
Aww, poor Feisty.
She has got a real bad case of Palin-itis. Has to bring her up in every article.
Try to just let it pass Feisty.
You see what I mean Spanker? Every time you provide your Font of Information on everything, I become more certain that you seem to think you're corresponding with dimwits like yourself.
You have the nerve to think I'm miseducated. Spend a little time reading the topic to see if you can comprehend. Palin is in it.
Bible Spice - ha!
Can anyone make sense of Beverly's comment, or have you all given up trying to decipher what she's saying? I guess that would be the smartest course of action.
Joe in Albany
You're a sad race baiting poptard. And you have no self -esteem; it's too obvious.
Beverly in Chicago
How many times do i have to point out to you that A RACIST black Woman like yourself should stop Talking about Sarah Palin.. Even if its just to Defend your TWisted Sistah The Nasty Redhead.
Joe, Keep up the Good Work. Anytime the RACIST beverly Opens her Mouth she shows just how RACIST she is..
Yes, let's all unite around the Palin/Bachmann ticket...........
Sadly I gave up a long time ago. And I love Bev.
I think that, while this does seem to be true in the great big shark pool of life, it would make a very bad closing argument to a jury, and probably in a presidential debate, as well.
Steve-505729
Beverly in Chicago
How many times do i have to point out to you that A RACIST black Woman like yourself should stop Talking about Sarah Palin.. Even if its just to Defend your TWisted Sistah The Nasty Redhead.
SteveO I'll say this once -- Kiss my black a@@!!!!
You are a sick racist/race baiter. Back off house boy.
Btw: I WASN"T TALKING TO YOU; unless you are Joe in Albany. I realize you have an identity problem being a brown man all stuck in the middle; but you really need to mind your own d@mn business.
Ease up on Steve, there, Bev- he thinks he's Spanky, not Joe. Y' can't tell the difference?
Beverly in Chicago
Pointing out that a Black Woman like you is RACIST is not Racism or Race Baiting. it is pointing out PURE FACT. I understand that you think you can Silence people with your SCREAMS of Racism and Race Baiting because its all you have.
Racism needs to be Pointed out and as long as yo9u are here I will continue to point you out for what you are. A Black RACIST woman.
Spanky-
Sadly I gave up a long time ago. And I love Bev.
Ditto Spank(er) it's like a once in a life time experience every time you say that; or more precisely like a blue moon. It's okay though as long can you stay within your orbit.
Steve-505729
Beverly in Chicago
How many times do i have to point out to you that A RACIST black Woman like yourself should stop Talking about Sarah Palin..
Steve it hard to stop talking about trash, it only natural!!!!
I don't think she is Bible Spice anymore. She has not mentioned God or Church since the money started rolling in.
SteveO I'll say this once -- Kiss my black a@@!!!!
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Steve, I think you might have a sexual harrassment lawsiut against Bev here.
Bev has no room to talk about hate speech given her comments below
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/26/6722453-first-thoughts-who-wins-and-loses-if-palin-runs?pc=25&sp=0#discussion_nav
Comment 10.2.
She then tried a back handed apology that was just as bad.
Not sure how you defend this.
And who cares what Porky Pig, a shining picture of the diabetes belt thinks.
have the DEMS and the CiC ended their little meeting. Where is their plan? Show us, Put it out here for us to review. Put it on the White House website. anything?
Just goes to show what you know. Bev's not Steve's boss, or even his co-worker -- I think.
Besides, Steve likes it. And you're jealous. You love it when women talk dirty.
Joe..
She may want me to kiss her Black Ass but in Reality she can't get off the Thing long enough for me to do it
Steve and Spanky are like a turd that won't flush.
Just goes to show what you know. Bev's not Steve's boss, or even his co-worker -- I think.
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I do realize that current law limits sexual harrassment cases to those circumstances. But, if Steve finds the right lefty liberal activist judge he could get some case law on the books to expand those protections to all of society. That would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
You love it when women talk dirty.
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Only certain women, and Bev's just not my type.
Job1
Steve and Spanky are like a turd that won't flush.
#1.24 - Fri Jun 3, 2011 11:30 AM PDT
We may be like one. but you are one
Barbour is right but teapublicants are neck deep in self destruction. a party where candidates run from their good records only to embrace the ideological right. a party where the truth can never be spoken e.g newt real talk about ryan's budget. a party that does not self examine itself. it's hard to see the old GOP back before this 2012 election. what the present crop have embraced is STUPIDITY.
LoL You're asking ME this question? No.
Next thing I knew, you'd be suing me. ;-)
TO: Captain MoTo who wrote:
"Can anyone make sense of Beverly's comment..."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes. Beverly in Chicago spanked Spankey (but he liked it, and she was right).
End of story.
Steve and Beverly, get a room.
Feisty and Bev,
I see Illinois is issuing same sex unions. You two may go off and marry. Fiesty take plenty of lip balm on the honeymoon, Bev likes for her ass to be kissed ALOT.
For a split second I thought I saw a glimmer of sanity from the Republican establishment. But wait, if conservatives vote based on the issues, then wouldn't they vote for the best candidate regardless of Party? So then winning based on unity is completely contrary to this, right? The GOP/TP Borg will vote for any Republican/Teabagger regardless of qualifications. Fudd/LePew - 2012!
Well, well, well, here it goes! The first public smack down on Sarah Barracuda! The "big boys" don't like it when one of their own, breaks the TP/Repub golden rule, "thou shalt not speak ill of one of our own", but then Sarah B. won't play by their silly rules, will she? Feisty, I'm with you girl, get out the popcorn, the party is just getting started, and it's gonna be deva licious! I'm bettin' Sarah won't quit, her ego is way to big!
Job1
"Steve and Spanky are like a turd that won't flush."
A low blow to turds everywhere....
ksw62118
Bev has no room to talk about hate speech given her comments below
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/26/6722453-first-thoughts-who-wins-and-loses-if-palin-runs?pc=25&sp=0#discussion_nav
Comment 10.2.
She then tried a back handed apology that was just as bad.
Not sure how you defend this.
ksw62118
Since you want to join the chrous of racist/ race baiting poptards you too can kiss my black a@@' liar.
I said nothing racist so therefore I did not apologize; I apologized for what you thought was a slur against gays; cockS**ker.
You popards are not happy unless you can inject racism where there is none. Go to h%ll the whole lots of you b!tches.
You don't have respect.
You don't have respect for yourselves either; and you don't know what's happening. None of you can find your way out of paper bag. I bet whoever your bosses are they dog you out; because that's what all of you are and deserve.
American Girl-724855
Steve and Beverly, get a room.
Get serious Steve and the other poptards are stalking me or are you that blind???
I said what I needed to say to that grimy immature lot and will ignore their racist remarks in the future; end of story.
Beverly you are obviously quite the hypocrite. Any intelligent person knows you don't use the hate speech you post on here daily. In the real world you would be fired in a heartbeat for using those words. I didn't say "racist" I said hate speech. You are convicted by your own lack of character evidenced by your own words.
Don't dump on redhead to hard. She's never been known for her words of wisdom. Heck, she probably doesn't even know that she follows the Alinsky model or even know who Alinsky is. She thinks the economy is the best it's ever been and besides, if the candidate has an "R" next to their name, they can't be good. Don't ask her why, because she doesn't know. Ever notice how not one single lib can tell you anything about economics. At least not truthfully. Just a fact of life, so deal with it.
@Swampfox6actual: Appreciate your comment, but if you were on over the memorial day weekend you would have noticed the # of times STEVE called BEV IN CHICAGO Racist he even asked her not to comment on his postings yet I noticed him starting this situation tonight, Just an observation...I just started reading so I do not know how long this has been going on.
Welcome to what we fondly call the 'mud pit'!
As for little stevie - he's back at it forever, it's why he's known as the Master-Baiter around these parts!
Seriously, the more you read of him, the more you'll understand the little dude has some SERIOUS mental issues! ;o)
Cardog - Conservatives live in an bubble, echo chamber, cone of silence. FOX/Hate Radio will bury the video of Sarah Palin saying Paul Revere warned the British (ooops). So they don't know she is dumb as dirt.
Nor do they know that Michele Bachmann has falsely claimed that Planned Parenthood is a criminal enterprise involved in the "trafficking of underage girls." And if conservatives do know about these things, most believe it as a truth.
The reality is, Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, etc. are only against Sharia Law if Muslims do it, but they are all for Sharia Law as long as it is Christians doing it.
Unity ??? The GOP is a CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD WITH AUTOMATIC WEAPONS !!! They will kill each other off completely !!!
It's no fun pointing out the flaws and flip flops with Republican candidates, they're much better than any liberal could hope to be. Time to sit back and enjoy the political comedy central also know as the Republican primary
As of June 1, 2001 according to Rasmussen it's about 35% Republican, 35% Democrat and 30% Independent. Hard to believe that only 30% of Americans aren't sheep. My point is that of the 35% Republican, maybe 20% are the hardcore extremist that will select the Republican Candidate. Using my warped logic, what are the odds the remaining 80% will vote for someone that panders to the extreme right?
oops, I meant as of June 1, 2011
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends
i doesnt even recoginze the republican party anymore i am moderate probably were most american's are pracitical normal folks...but this party is so hard right anymore ....it really is more a cult than a party....only one voice no room for individual thought....doesn't bend it breaks ...maybe that's why the new party has such a medicore field ...it's a party that has revealed itself for what it is the party of the rich...and it's a distasteful hateful message and equally distastful people that are left to defend it....it's really sad...
marc huff,
I agree. Our Teapublican governor just vetoed a bill that had been passed unanimously in our Republican controlled state legislature. Now they have to waste time over-riding his veteo with a 2/3 vote, all because he wanted to make an ideological point.
The bill he vetoed would make it possible for healthcare providers to charge lower rates to smaller insurance companies, without lowering rates for bigger companies, thus increasing competition. Blue Cross currently has almost a monopoly in Maine and they fought this bill. The governor vetoed it on the grounds that the government shouldn't interfere with contracts between private business.
There is a war going on in the Republican Party between the ideolgues and the moderates, and the people suffering aren't Democrats, it's the folks who thought voting Republican was a "sensible" thing to do.
daryl is right and that's when it started to move ever closer to being like marc huff says more of a cult than a party. They praise Reagen like a saint, they don't mention things like the Iran/Contra bussiness, the Chrysler bail ect. Reagan was mediocre on his best day, acting or governing, and as far as the republican field is concerned, at this point they would be thrilled if they had a mediocre candidate.
i dont
i still wonder who makes the message who's pulling the strings ...that vote on the ryan plan in the house...wow not that smart....who planning this is this the fox news rush limdick agenda...? i really wonder?
i still wonder who makes the message who's pulling the strings
you and me both! I think the Heritage Foundation is behind much of the implementation of the right-wing agenda.
Their fingers were all over the 39 proposals to repeal regulations and environmental protections our governor proposed. It's pretty clear LePage is not bright enough to come up with this stuff himself and it looks exactly ike laws being proposed in other states.
Amy and Marc -
Barbour put it clearly...Ralph Reed along with Grover Norquist and the Christian Coalition; more or less "A blast from the past."
Hey, boys and girls, don't you remeber, back in Dec. before all the inaugarations in Jan., all the Repub. govs. had a meeting in DC with the big boys, to tell them what the plan was to, break the unions, trash all teachers and kill public education, end free health clinics for the poor, cut unemployment and so on and so on. They went home with their attack plans all set up by Rove and the gang. They rushed so much legislation through in the first 3 mos., it will take years for it all to be sorted out by the courts. I left out one of their biggest targets, women's health and taking away women's rights, my bad! The people, that's you and me, are just now really waking up the their grand scheme to finish off America, with their corp. lords.
Michelle,
While I agree with your statement, I don't understand how they think that these policies are going to be sustainable in today's global economy? Where are they going to go once the United States is destroyed? And how can anyone possibly support this madness?
roseone, boy I wish I had the answers, I wish anybody had the answers. I think they want us working below minimum wage again.
Michelle-1073610: You do have the answer and it was stated in your post..I don't think they are clear in their thinking about destroying the middle class, who are the people they expect will be the consumer of their products? I don't know if they are considering something Global/worldwide, maybe if they made us all indentured servants we will have the serve the wealthy everywhere..whatever is happening needs to be taken seriously.
cm 2200611, they need to be taken very seriously, and my hope is that Wis., Ohio, and Florida will rise up and fight them on every level. I live in Fl., and two special elections for mayors of Tampa, and Jacksonville, which were held by Repubs, were taken back by Democrats, slowly some people are waking up, I just hope they wake up before its too late. The Fl. ACLU has filed 26 lawsuits, challenging many of their new laws, based on Constitutional flaws, while I've not always been a big fan of the ACLU, this thime they are right on the money, and I pray they win some victories to restore sanity. Florida hasn't gotten much national attention, but Gov. Scott here, makes Wis. Gov. Walker look like a school boy.
GW Bush said "they hate us for our freedom" no they hate us because they watch their child walk out of a Nike plant barefoot, they hate us because we use their children as slave labor. They won't be satisfied until they use our children in the same way. Welcome to their global economy, where you are expected to compete with the Chinese assembling I-Phones for $200 a month wages for a 60 hour work week.
Fortunately, there are a LOT more people who ARE hearing the alarm clocks going off. How many ppl have posted I WAS a republican, but the ldeals have moved away from anything I represent? The extremist viewpoints and the Tea Party "my way or no way" mentality is pretty well ensuring that regardless what Uncy Haley says- unity is not happening anytime soon.
There are a lot of middle class working people who vote republican on single issues, like God, guns, and gays type issues. Many were told the democrats will take your guns away, now they are finding out that the only one that is going to get their guns is the pawn shop, so they can buy gas, groceries and medicine.
When republican governors restrict collective bargaining rights and simultaneously cuts taxes on buiness then the government is subsidizing the private sector
The same people who complain about unions, don't like the cost of medicare, or medicaid, or the thought of universal health care or the fact that people depend on SS when they retire. But they don't support unions. The good American companies and owners that bargain in good faith with their employee's pay decant wages and provide health benefits and real pension plans. The people that spent their careers working under decent collective bargaining agreements are not the ones sucking up social services. Why should everybody that has health insurance subsidize Wal-Mart type Non-Union employees, who don't have health benefits, and aren't paid enough to provide themselves with any. Not to mention a phony matching 401K for a retirement plan, they don't have anything to put in so they never have to match anything. The company deserves to make a good profit, but labor should get a fair slice of the pie they produce, I am not against profits I am all for profits, and I want an equitable share. Don't kid yourself the truth is when you support union busting, and the right to work for less and less and less laws, give huge tax breaks to extremely profitable companies paid for by labor (GE paid no taxes but everybody that works there does), then the government winds up subsidizing the private sector. Because these are the people who have nothing the minute they stop working, and immediately need social services. This has been going on since Reagen and except for a brief respite during the Clinton administration middle class purchasing power has been in decline. I'm no economist but what the hell else can possibly happen when you support the company paying less of its profits to its employees and simultaneously less of its profits to the government in form of taxes. For those of you waiting for this trickle down theory (fantasy) to kick in and make you better off, give it up, it is impossible, you tell me how business keeping all the profits and the workers paying all the bills makes you better off. I tell you what lets go on a treasure hunt, and when we find treasure I am going to keep all of it, and you are going to pay the all the expenses. How many times do we have to do that to make you rich.
boy an kasick, synder, walker and scott...wow slash and burn politics....the chick in tampa that's on trial for murdering her daughter has a higher approval rating than gov scott. 27 %
Soooo....don't even bother finding a good candidate - who cares as long as they beat Obama?! Scary stuff. We should all care who the Republicans pick...I mean it would be FANTASTIC for him to have an easy win, but I pray to God they have a good candidate because there is a chance this person will become President. These statements basically say "winning is the end game" but IT IS NOT. Running the country properly is.
Please,,,don't anybody get in their way,,lettem shoot! The USA and the world would be a better place.
Reporter: "Wy did you all point and shoot automatic weapons at yourselves?"
Surviving GOP/TPer: "Why, because we COULD, you big silly".
It's a second amendment thingy, also too real Americans cut taxes- Sarah Palin
Sadly, Fat Boy is just preaching to the choir. Unity to that insane body of T-baggers means dithering. Barbour can go back to eating his shrimps. It appears eating is his modus operandi anyhow.
So Here a RACIST black woman is talking about a Fat White man.................. Racism is alive and well in Chicago. and its name is BEVERLY from Chicago
Stevie Boy, you need to be collapsed. I've seen enough of your crap on here. You and Spanks. Sadly you have no thoughts regarding policy, just insulting other posters. If I knew what you did to collapse someone, I sure would collapse you!
@Cathy - Click on the ! in the bottom right hand corner of your comment & you will get a drop down menu to chose from!
Feisty, everytime I read your comments it really gives me a tickle!
You go girl!
Thanks AG! I've been following you for awhile now and noticed you pack quite a 'kick' yourself! ;o)
Keep up the great work!
yes. Please by all means . Collaspe me. the Fact is the only time Liberals wish to talk about Racism is when its a White person making RACIST comments towards a Black Person. but they will DEFEnd Black Racist like Beverly in Chicago at every Turn.
Thanks Feisty. I never knew what that ! was for, guess I should have tried it, but I'm not techie, that's for sure and I'm always afraid I will screw something up.
Steve: Talking about racism is one thing. Every comment you are making about a person is nothing more than calling names. I'm a 67 year old (old) white woman, and believe me, I've lived a long time and seen a lot of things and I know racism when I see it, and you are the embodiment of it.
Anytime Cathy - have a good weekend!
Somebody told me that deep inside of Haley there was a skinny man that wants to emerge. and I said "just one?"
Actually, he emerged as Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, and Rush Limbaugh.
Fiesty,
Spanky is obviously jealous of your quick wit and delightful sense of humor. You see he is suffering from Tea Brain Syndrome and needs to have Ryan steal him a voucher so he can check into the home for the relentlessly obtuse. Wait for it... Wait for it... Here he comes on the attack...
Thank you for the kind words! ;o)
Skanky WHO? lol
I put that ambulance chasing, attention seeking, troll on ignore months ago - he's not 'worthy' of my time or attention!
Good going, Fiesty!
I did the same thing to Steve recently because I got tired of his immature name-calling rants. His posts are collapsed more often than not anyway. Intelligent, mature grownups can make a point without stooping to name calling.
They all refer to the Handbook for Contrarian A-holes, also known as the Republican "Party of Hell NO" Playbook.
shouldn't it be the me party not tea party...i only want cuts that dont' affect me.... it's the "me" party and it's funny because it all about america ...it's all about them...
It's time for the GOP to stop pandering to the fringe TP children and try to regain some credibility with the vast majority of moderates. Just because these far right malcontents are loud doesn't make them right. Time for them to start there own party instead of crippling the GOP.
If all goes as planned ;-) the Tea Party will be the end of the GOP in 2012, but the TP won't die. The intellectual conservatives will need to form a new party, the Conservative Party? and distance themselves from the fringe.
Jake, I hope and pray you are right!
TO: RecoveringRepublican:
Republicans lost all credibility when they framed themselves as "conservatives" and then borrowed and spent over a Trillion Dollars.
Republicans lost the Independents' vote when they lied us into war with Iraq.
Oh I don't disagree with you there, American Girl. The GOP of the past 30 years has been an embarrassment. The fact that so many self professed conservatives, or "patriots" as they like to refer themselves, don't understand that makes it even more embarrassing. That last truly great republican was Eisenhower. Nixon was a paranoid. Reagan was a corporate puppet. The fact that he has been canonized through historical revisionism is dumbfounding. H.W. was a non entity. And G.W. was an 8 year long Jerry Springer episode. Lincoln and TR must be spinning in their graves over what the GOP has become.
You said a mouthful, conservatism was once actually about things like conservation, Roosevelt gave us Yellowstone Park, by declaring it a national treasure for all Americans. Today the republican party would drill it for oil, strip mine it for coal, bring in the logging crews, quarry out the rock, leaving nothing but a big hole in the ground. Then they would proudly want credit for building a pond.
Jake Reyna -- Moderate "establishment" Republicans say they have not left the GOP, rather the GOP left them -- Very insightful to see that a solution may be in reverse. Since the Teabaggers won't create their own Party or even run their own candidates as Independents (and the same goes for the Moral Majority who hijacked the GOP before that), the only way the Republican Party can save itself is to create their own Party...again. How sad is that?
TruePatriot- not only that but I have to chuckle every time someone brings up the "We're taking our country back". comment. Take it back from WHERE?!? It never LEFT! The implication being that we're going to take it back from the democratically ELECTED POTUS. Why? b/c all that they had to run on was lies and rhetoric. A laser like focus on jobs, jobs, jobs.. still waiting on that joke to be fulfilled, but in the meantime lets ram through every social issue we can think of.
I honestly believe it's still just thinly veiled racism. (pretty pathetic.)
I'll go one further - I believe it's not even 'thinly veiled'!
They use code words such as, the Messiah & Hussein like a racist dog whistle!
They want to take their country back alright, all the way to when ONLY pale - stale - males ruled the roost!
Me? I prefer to take MY country FORWARD!
Don't you dare play the race card. Only Republicans can do that while protesting. If you ever ask why they say some of the things they do, you will see them doing the Saint Vitus dance.
It's not thinly veiled, they are so racist, they don't even realize that they are projecting, since for them that's normal.
amy portland me...our gov. is passing the fetal heartbeat bill...that is if a fetal heartbeat is detected usually at five weeks you can't get and abortion....so by the time you realize your preggo it's to late to get and abortion ....oh yes you can also carry a gun into bars....
kasick still yet to get to a jobs bill....but i'll have my gun at the bar but then i can't drink because i have my gun...wow priorities
wisc. walker passed a bill against muni having to have clean water or air....
Don't you just love it?
Louisiana passed a law so that you can bring your gun into a church.
Now heard in "Pastor Harry's" church in Louisiana:
Do you take Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour? well, do ya punk?
scott trying to pass a bill that has welfare recip and state and local workers take mandatory drug tests...his wife is vp..of the company that would do the drug tests. mr. scott the biggest medicad medicare fraud criminal in u.s. history .. what a guy...florida
What is wrong with people who are welfare having drug tests? Everyone in the military is subject to random drug testing, truck drivers are subject to randon drug testing as are most other people who have jobs. Why should welfare recipients be any different?
For starters, it's unconstitutional & then there's the fact Rick Scotts wife is CEO of the company doing the testing!
TO: janet-489369 who wrote:
"What is wrong with people who are welfare having drug tests?..."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Who is going to pay for all that? Those folks are getting, what, $300 bucks a month -- it would cost more than that to drug test them all, and then what do you do, test them every month?
It just makes me sick when Republicans, who claim they want to stop the spending, ALWAYS seem to find ways to keep on spending and WASTING millions and millions of dollars!
Geesch!
The scheme goes like this - the APPLICANT will pay for the drug test, if they pass they'll be refunded the money.
If they don't then they get NO refund & NO welfare....
Here's some interesting info on the KY plan:
The true cost of Kentucky’s drug testing everyone on welfare
Warning if you hate math just skip to the end of the article
The central questions is just how many people have to fail the drug test subtracting the cost of the test, the cost of administering the test, prosecuting and jailing the people who fail the test before the state makes any money?
To aid us in determining these costs lets look at the the State of Michigan which actually tried this.
Lets assume Pot users don’t lose their benefits that means 3 out of every 268 people will lose their welfare benefits. Pee tests for
http://www.drugtestsuccess.com/
Cost $2.50 each if you buy them in bulk, $2.50 a test 11 tests =$27.50
If we a assume 5 minutes a test a Registered Nurse (RN) in Kentucky gets $22.83 an hour 11 tests 55 minutes lets say an hour total to test one person just to keep the math simple.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/State=Kentucky/Hourly_Rate
$22.83+ 27.50 = 50.33 worth of extra cost to Kentucky’s welfare program for every person tested.
Assuming potheads keep their benefits testing 268 people at $50.33 each costs the state $13,488.44 every 268 people just to get the 3 people using drugs assuming that Kentucky is as drug filled as Michigan.
Just to be fair to Kentucky’s financial planning but not their moral compass. I will assume that they won’t make an honest attempt to help the drug addicts who fail this program. Since I have heard no mention of Kentucky planning to enroll everyone who fails a drug test in intense rehab ( By intense I mean a week to get clean either locked up or daily drug tests and follow up drug counseling once a week for 6 months.) So I will leave out the costs of drug rehab.
What I won’t leave out is the cost of Kentucky prosecuting all those welfare people who fail the test and are either arrested on the spot or arrested after they turn to crime because in this economy they won’t find jobs. After all even if they quit drugs right after failing the test they still need to eat and now they just lost their welfare benefits Kentucky cannot just expect them to just lay down and die. People need food they need money they will try and get it one way or another.
http://www.kentucky.com/2010/08/11/1385164/three-pronged-attack-on-prison.html
58,124 people on Welfare in Kentucky in 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/01/25/us/20090126-welfare-table.html
So then testing 268 people at $50.33 each costs the state $13,488.44 just to get 3 people and there is 58,124 people on welfare in Kentucky it will cost $19,000 per prisoner to jail the 216 people who we can expect to fail the test.
58,124/268= 216 people
Next take 58,124 * the $50.33 cost of the test and you get $2,925,380
Then take 58,124/268 and you get 216 people who will fail the drug test
At $19,000 * the cost of jailing 216 people for a year = $4,104,000
Add $4,104,000 add $2,925,380 and you get $7,029,380 as the total cost to Kentucky assuming they test everyone.
Next add $7,029,380/216 = $32, 543. 42
$7,029,380 cost to take 216 people off Kentucky’s welfare rolls thats $32, 543. 42 so for this program to make Kentucky money they would need those 216 people we expect to fail the drug test to make at least a dollar more than that in welfare benefits or $32, 544. 42 a year as individuals since their kids or other dependents would of course still get welfare.
Now just imagine the costs if I had factored in pot users!
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/01/18/the-true-cost-of-kentuckys-drug-testing-everyone-on-welfare/
Typical liberals justifying people sitting on their butts all day getting high (which is illegal by the way) and they seem to think that taking their money away from them is a bad thing. Why on earth should anyone be allowed to do drugs (including pot) and continue to get a check from their state? Welfare recipients should be out picking up trash along side the road or some other community service for a minimum of 40 hours a week to continue to draw a check. They can work, they just will not. They are the people that won't help themselves, yet the rest of us have to help them.
Before you respond next time janet - you might want to take the time to read the comment!
Otherwise you look, well, willfully ignorant! ;o)
PS: Glad to know your fine with the Governor & his wife making a PROFIT off this scheme!
Yup - who don't love some good old capitalism! LMAO!
This is ridiculous. Janet, have you ever in your pathetic life ever met a gross generalization you couldn't wrap your pea brain around? That's ll we seem to get from you people. According to you, every welfare recipient is a drugged out lazy welfare queen. You offer no proof or statistics but at least you don't let that stop you from spewing this crap. You obviously have zero shame.
Forget it Fiesty. This woman is ignorant beyond belief. What's really scary is there is a whole party of this caliber of person we have to deal with. It's obvious how they refuse to embrace education.
Now you see why Republicans wants to cut all education programs, including teachers? It hasn't help their base.
Fletch: Speaking about Lazy, not trying to get educated in any capacity is what I would call lazy, not people having economic hardships, but these Repugs/Tea-Pods cannot grasp the concept.
Well I give it one try: Okay Janet if you are for the drug testing, I have a few questions.
What do you do if they test positive? If they don't get the money what about their spouse and children?
If you take the kids away where do they go? Who cares for them? Who pays for that?
I got more questions but try these first.
Wow, "purity is the enemy of victory." That's going to wonders for the church people in the Republican Party.
But look at the hypocrisy of it all. Barbour says all the Republicans must learn to agree to disagree, yet the Party is not interested in the same notion with the Democrats.
This reminds me of Gollum in "The Lord of the Rings." "We hates Bagginses," Gollum says. Why do you hate him, Gollum? "We just hates him, precious!"
What idiocy.
There's just something about the phrasing about looking for "purity' and "unity" in the Republican party that sounds so familiarly bad when it comes from Haley Barbour. Can't put my finger on it.
Could it be Aryan Supremacy?
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Could it be Aryan Supremacy?
I never thought of that. Thanks for decoding it for me.
Just imagine that Bubba "goosesteping" and you can't help but laugh.
The GOP reminds me of SPAM, they put a bunch of crap and wingnuts together and try and call it meat!
lmao
I don't like spam.
Lessee, Bible Spice and Rudy 911 make special trips to stomp on the GOP front-runner's announcement, with the spice tart even driving though tornado weather to just happen to drop by about 5 minutes from where Romney was speaking, and Rudy Dudy coming out from hiding for one of the few times since the last election.
Now, a pudgy white professional-lobbyist-turned-governor from the deep South says he wants everyone to play nicely with each other.
All these rumors of the Republican Party being in disarray must be baseless, right?
LOL The "lobbyist," Barbour, is back on capitol hill getting his skills back in order. He was there lobbying congress to force BP to give up more money, for the fishers and oyster men. He wasn't much interested in them until he decided not to run for President, and start making big bucks again with his lobbying firm. Politicians, not but taxpayer thieves!!
Spanky,
From the previous thread..
And seriously, there seems to be a few different possible outcomes to not raising the ceiling. Personally I absolutely do not want it raised. Pay debt first, everything else after. It's called living within your means. I do it. You do it. And for the sake of our kids, the government has to start doing it.
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No, there's no good outcome if the ceiling is not raised. One of the worst is we default on our Treasury securities and don't pay interest. Moody's would rate us...???
I agree we need to pay the debt down, starting this year. I also think we need to raise the debt ceiling one more time so our obligations can be paid and then FREEZE IT. What's the differencer if we raise it a bit more, we're talking trillions. That's the starting point. That's what we owe. Then start cutting expenses. Defense, pork programs, unnecessary and redundant agencies, fix medicare, etc.
We can't afford to pay 42 cents on every dollar we take in on interest and expect not to go belly-up.
This "debt crisis" is just another shiny bauble. Creating jobs would help solve the debt crisis. Regulating the banks and corporations, making them pay their "fair" share (LOL) and straightening out the loopholes in the tax codes would help solve the crisis. Rolling back the Bush tax cuts would help solve the debt crisis. Many things would, but the Republican plan to do nothing but eat up the government revenue will not. Not everything should be privatized. Jails, hospitals, insurance, medicare, social security should not be privatized. Privatizing ANYTHING simply drives up the cost of the service, because all things privatize are only about the bottom line. It is incredible that T-Pers do not get this. In order for us to get a handle on health care costs, we need to make health care competitive by allowing people to buy into public health care options that are cheaper and that do not cost as much to run. The Republicans want to bankrupt the government. They do not have a clue what it would mean to not raise the debt ceiling, something they voted for more than 10 times when Bush was in office. Why all of a sudden is the debt ceiling such a problem. Jobs should be the problem, creating jobs and creating stimulus for the economy should be the solutions, not bankrupting and ruining our credit and economy. I consider that to be truly anti-American!
CATHY M.-647265.. Great Post..
Cathy- very well put. Problem is when it comes to the TP- logic need not apply.. lol
He's right, if the GOP, can't come to grips with the fact that independents and conservative democrats are not enamored of the fundamentalist christian right, and continue to appeal mostly to their very minority viewpoints, then Obama will most likely win, and win by a wide margin. What is needed now is real vision, and no one in the GOP is offering one.
@Cardog-#23.1: Your post is not only adsurd. It is also absurd.
Actually I am an independent who voted for Obama, my comments refer only to the electability of the present crop of GOP hopefuls, I see nothing within the GOP platform that I particularly favor, much of their recommendations are non-sense based on recent economic history where lower taxes and deregulation did not lead to greater job growth, or economic prosperity, execept for the upper 1% of income earners.
Are you sure that is what he said. His southern drawl makes it impossible for more than half of Americans to understand a word he says.
here i'll solve are immediate debt crisis that has been in the making for 53 years you just noticed....by the way.... no trillion dollar occupations of foreign lands no trillion dollar tax cuts 38 to 35 for the rich when they were doing just fine...91% rate in the 1950;s quite wining...rich it's embrassing.....no 15 billion dollar aircraft carriers to scare the chinese that have $100,000 missles that can keep the craft from getting close enough to launch it's aircraft.... we aren't the world's police force unless say the country wants to hire and pay...kidding...no billion dollar cruisers to take out four pirates... and don't elect repubilicans to run the goverment bush 3.9 trillion debt why so they can use it the debt as and excuse to kill the beast...the government.... nice try the government is not the solution the problem ,government is the problem then they the repubs get elected and prove it.... goverment needs to be better and it's better without people in it that hate it....