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Subscribe to RSSThe Supreme Court ruled that former Attorney General John Ashcroft cannot be sued for his role in detaining a supposed terrorism witness after the 9-11 attacks. NBC's Justice Correspondent Pete Williams has the details.
From NBC's Pete Williams
A unanimous US Supreme Court today ruled that former attorney general John Ashcroft cannot be sued by a American-born Muslim man who claimed that he was improperly detained in the early days of the war on terror. The ruling is a blow to civil liberties groups who challenged a controversial post-9/11 policy.
The lawsuit was brought by Abdullah al-Kidd, who was arrested by the FBI as he sought to board a flight to Saudi Arabia in March 2003 for what he claimed was a study-abroad trip.
The government said he was needed to testify at a trial in Idaho of a man accused of helping al Qaeda run a computer-based recruiting network. Al-Kidd was held for 16 days as a material witness, but he was never called to testify at the trial.
Al-Kidd claimed his arrest amounted to unconstitutional preventive detention, and he said then-attorney general Ashcroft's approval of the practice amounted to a kind of "round up the usual suspects" policy forbidden by the Constitution. Lower courts said Ashcroft could be sued, but the Supreme Court today threw the case out.
The court held there was no constitutional violation, and even if there was, Ashcroft would be protected by the immunity public officials enjoy from lawsuits over their official acts.
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I'm still waiting for the day when we get to see 'W', the Dick & Ashcroft in orange jumpsuits themselves...
There are some super comfy cots waiting for them at Hotel Guatanamo, where you can check in but NEVER leave!
In the meantime, guess I'll have to settle for the fact NONE of them can travel abroad! ;o)
In orange jumpsuits for what?
"for what?" ... She don't know. All Feisty knows is they were part of a Republican administration who happened to be in power during America's worst attack on our own soil that brought the US economy to it's knees and orchestrated a full recovery is short order.
What about Obama ordering a military invasion/operation into a sovereign country to shoot an unarmed old man in the middle of the night and dump his bidy in the ocean ...... al without any trials, court orders, etc.?
Don't worry - it was legal. Bush provided the paperwork and legal basis for that.
Fun being a selective, hypocritical, mindless liberal, huh?
Now back to refering to disabled kids as sack of potatoes, CFM boots and all your other enightened gems.
War Crimes for starters...
WHAT recovery
Is that the same Republican administration that willfully IGNORED the warnings?
Oh, how I would love to see W, Dick, Paul, Karl, and the rest of them tried for the war crimes they committed. That would be a true joy. Get them together with all the other low life criminals. And to think that the Repubs would still support them. Oh, but that is a requirement to be a true Repub. All those who disagree are called RINOs.
What war crimes?
bob-1805084,
So you compare killing the self declared and known leader of Al Qaeda to the abuse of people in our country under the so called "Patriot Act"! This during a time of war, declared on the U.S. by Bin Laden. So much for relying, in any way, shape, or form on any information or judgement formulated by you! I think you better try thinking something to a logical conclusion rather than just blabber some political bluster.
Fun being a selective, hypicrtical,mindless liberal,huh?
Not really Bob-1808504, it's sooooooooooooo much better than being a POS like You!
Oh yeah, I ain't forgot your post from 2 weeks ago!
Still waiting on Newsvine to do something for your post calling the POTUS a POS twice!
This is what happens when you have activist judges ignoring the constitution.
There are some super comfy cots waiting for them at Hotel Guatanamo, where you can check in but NEVER leave!
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Maybe the current Hotel Manager, Barry Obama, would arrange to have the staff leave mints on their pillows during the turn-down service.
This is what happens when you have activist judges ignoring the constitution.
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YEAH!!!!
I say impeach Breyer, Ginsburg, Sotomayor and Kagan right now.
I heard Ashcroft sing once, I firmly believe that I witnessed a crime.
sramblbrain;
Sorry it went over your head.
I was commenting that the Bush's policies and protocols which liberals have excoriated Bush for, are the very policies and protols that led to, allowed and protected Obama for doing what has been hailed as Obama's greatest success.
Do I need to define hypocrisy for you, or can you maybe look it up yourself.
RiKy,
I am glad you ain't fergot my post.
Frankly, I have, so feel free to re-post it and I will happily explain and qualify it fer ya.
You will be waiting until your next lifetime because it ain't going to to happen in your current one.
You do understand the meaning of unanimous? Or are you inferring all of the SC Justices are activist jurists?
This leaves no doubt the supreme court is in the pocket of the GOP/TP. The activist judges the GOP/TP rail against constantly.
Does anyone happen to know what the vote was? Was it the same on both questions? I wonder how they ever got to the merits, having decided the immunity question in Ashcroft's favor. That's something that only an activist court would do. Usually they like to decide a case on the narrowest possible grounds.
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Okay, I'm right. It was 5-3 on the merits, and 8-0 on the immunity question. I wonder why the 5 thought they needed to write an opinion on the merits.
Never mind. I know why.
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/31/136817457/supreme-court-throws-out-suit-against-ashcroft
bob-1805084..
....Obama ordering a military invasion/operation into a sovereign country to shoot an unarmed old man in the middle of the night and dump his bidy in the ocean...
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For real. You actually posted this. OBL was an unarmed old man...harmless, right?
Your ignorance, arrogance and utter regard for facts is what makes you the fool you sound like when you post.
BTW..since you chastised me yesterday, you spelled body wrong? Shame on you or you said, did they not teach you to spell in that liberal college you went to?
When I think of John Ashcroft, I think of his ordering the Blind Justice statue draped in material because he found her offensive. That's carrying conservative sensibilities way too far.
GM,
You didn't know OBL was unarmed?
Not very well informed are you. Of course Obama did botch the story 3-4 times, maybe that could be your excuse.
Yea, I mispelled body. I also left the second l of all and made another edit that didn't take. Oh well.
Great Feisty....so support the rights of terrorists first and foremost and the hell with the citizens?
So when the supreme court votes for Democraps, it is justice. When they vote in favor of Republican'ts it is activism? Hmmm. Interesting. At least this verfies why both parties are worthless, mindless idiots that are the cause of our country's problems.
No, Kayner, not always; but when the Court decides a preliminary and determinative question, like immunity in this case, and then still proceeds to reach the merits, that's called activism. The majority was evidently intent on making a point it didn't need to make. A truly conservative court does not do that; it decides a case on the narrowest grounds possible. In this case, immunity was all that was needed to throw this case out, but for some reason, the five justices in the majority decided to slam the door behind it, as well.
I can only think of one reason for that.
We need to bring War Criminals like Ashcroft, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al., to justice.
If the Serbs can do it, so can we.
Feisty......., put the crack pipe down and step away. Do you really believe the Bush administrationwas guilty of war crimes? Seriously? If memory serves me right, congress gave Bush the green light for all his actions in regard to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Well hell....if we're going to charge Bush with War Crimes, let's put Clinton up as well. His actions in Kosovo, so easily forgetten by the left, were far worse.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17147
Feisty should change her name to Feisty without thought or reason. It is Ok to be a little feisty if you are supporting some kind of progress towards some good solution....Feisty by it self is just the same as pain in the butt...just because...
@Hard2 - It wasn't unanimousus in Congress - one Congressman voted against it - Gary Condit.
and I'll bet she's not even a real readhead ;p
Feisty - get over it - Orange jump suits aren't going to be in the wardrobes of any more Bush administration officials because they were working within the limits of the law. Just because they are Republican doesn't automatically make criminals, just like being democrat or liberal doesn't automatically make them criminals either.
Jody,
Is that why you think the statue was covered?
Heck, I'd like to see those in this admin in orange jump suites my self. But, just because I wish id so does not make it so.
The best Supreme Court that money can buy!
I'm sorry but if you have any question in your head that the Bush administration is guilty of war crimes, then you are seriously disconnected from reality.
WE EVADED IRAQ...
WHY!?
People's lives until only recently were generally short and nasty. In only a couple generations of prosperity we have breed quite the crop of weak magical thinking child like entitled social theorists that have become completely detached from what survival really entails.
UNANIMOUS !!!!!!!!
Just makes you really bad at balancing a checkbook
God, I become a democrat voter today and am already forced to agree with Feisty.
If anyone has any doubts what the effect of the Patriot Act has on our everyday lives, this is a perfect example. This could happen to anyone of us.
We've forfeited our First and Fourth Amendment rights and, for the foreseeable future, will not get them back.
We've forfeited our First and Fourth Amendment rights and, for the foreseeable future, will not get them back.
Uh ........ didn't Obama just auto-pen that renewal because he couldn't risk it expiring?
So Obama is the one reponsible for forfeiting your 1st and 4th Amendment rights, huh?
Another reason it sucks to be a clueless lib ...... when your own lib President does it to you?
am going to brake with my pals on this. in the world we live in now, i strongly believe a little inconveniences here and there shouldn't hurt anyone. Do Patriot Act infringe on our rights, absolutely but in this case, the positives have out weighed the negatives. we can't simply put a price on lives because of rights. i think I'll always choose safety first (lol) and by the way, how many cases of wrong full arrest or detentions have we had since Patriot Act became a law? just me thinking aloud.
bob-1805084
So Obama is the one reponsible for forfeiting your 1st and 4th Amendment rights, huh?
Another reason it sucks to be a clueless lib ...... when your own lib President does it to you?
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Actually, it was Bush who did and Obama asked for an extension of the act.
...and look up the 1st and 4th Amendment before you start complaining about the Act. Also read the Act before you post about it again.
There will be a short quiz.
One more thing, Your posts show a complete disregard for facts and history. Answering them is a waste of time. I have put you on ignore. Kindly do the same for me.
The question isn't whether or not the Patriot Act infringes on our rights--it does, some of the rules make sense, some not--but rather it should be what rights will we next forfeit in our fear of terrorists. The terrorists win every time we forfeit another of our freedoms out of fear.
Grouchie,
Getting a little testy, huh?
This isn't that hard to follow, but let's try again.
The Patriot Act was set to expire, (that means go away, doesn't apply anymore, etc), but Obama extended it with the auto-pen. (that means it doesn't go away, it does still apply).
Can you explain how this act would not be in effect if not for Obama's actions and desires? Talk it over with a 4th grader and get back to me tommorrow if you want.
BTW - quit puttting stupid crap up and I'll quit making you look bad.
You have to start before you can quit.
(Sorry, bobby, that was just too easy.)
Anna Molly, it must not be easy for you to post something sensible, as evidenced by the above one.
bob,
I'm starting to think Obama signed the extension with the auto-pen so he can tell his base he never signed it and they'll believe him. :D
Thomas Jefferson
Memorial Day Weekend this year turned into who get thier Noses up Sarah Palins Butt the farthest.
1st Read, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, just to name a few, should ALL be using Scrubbing Bubbles to make sure the Stench does'nt linger to long!
You so-called Journalist should be Ashamed, but i'ma guessing, there's No Shame left inya at this Point!
SAD !
Rick,Ky
You so-called Journalist should be Ashamed, but i'ma guessing, there's No Shame left inya at this Point!..
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Or in her. I'm re-posting something I wrote on Sunday.
I don't give a rat's ass about the Palin ride along as long as she doesn't speak at the memorial or cause a fuss. I do care that she has become a distraction to a memorial event to honor over 58,000 servicemen and women who died during the Viet Nam war. She want's to ride along, fine. You don't need a film crew to cover your participation. You don't need to announce it for publicity. Like the rest of Rolling Thunder, you come anonymously to pay your respects. She didn't do any of that. If you don't think she planned this as a publicity stunt you're out of your freaking mind.
Before you start a nonsensical discussion about "invitations" ask a Viet Nam how he/she feels about taking a solemn day of remembrance and trivializing it by turning it into a part of a movie for her campaign.
I for one am disgusted.
Her actions were despicable. Signed autographs, posed for pictures, and rode in the front of the procession waving. If she came to honor the vets as she said, ride in the back, don't announce it and don't make the weekend about you.
I agree. But there is no journalism left in news either. I guess that have to sensationalize everything to stay in business. WHERE IS SEMI UNBIASED REPORTING?
Henry-3533703..
Certainly not being reported by the talking heads on cable. To me it's all opinion.
The who, what, why and when which are supposed to be the basis of any story seem to be lost in the race to get the most sensational story out first.
Henry, I haven't seen unbiased reporting since Tim Russert passed away.
So Groucho, did she give a speech? I didn't see it where I'm at. What I seen was people didn't care if she was there or not, only you Liberals cried about it.
You know what really upsets me? That this WH has cutting military pay on the table!! Obama wants 400 billion cut and military pay cuts are on the table. I would be more pissed off at that then Palin riding a Harley. I would bet you haven't heard that on MSNBC have you?
for the semi unbiased reporting, I often use guardian.uk
But they don't cover ALL US all the time,...I wonder why?
(sarcasm off)
3WolvesandaMoon
So Groucho, did she give a speech? I didn't see it where I'm at. What I seen was people didn't care if she was there or not, only you Liberals cried about it.
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Did she give a speech, no did she cause a distraction, absolutely. An excerpt from FOX..
...... former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin swooped into the Pentagon parking lot where all the bikers were gathered on the back of a motorcycle, a half-hour before the procession started. Palin was met headlong by photographers who hustled past parked bikes to snap images of her arrival.
Palin hopped off the bike, with her husband Todd and two daughters Bristol and Piper at her side, smiling and shaking hands and signing autographs for more than 20 minutes as the media scrum pushed and shoved past bikes and bike owners to get a good look.
It took a lot of forceful crowd control by law enforcement officers and burly men familiar with motorcycle rallies to clear the onlookers for the noon start.
Contrary to the speculation, Sarah Palin did not ride on the back of Todd's bike. Instead, Piper hopped on and Sarah sat in the back of a female driver's bike. Bristol rode the back seat of another.
When they were properly situated, the official procession began and the Palin family soon followed at the front of the pack, behind them what seemed to be the endless thunder of thousands of motorcycles.
She turned the memorial event into a circus.
3WolvesandaMoon
You know what really upsets me? That this WH has cutting military pay on the table!! Obama wants 400 billion cut and military pay cuts are on the table.
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Perhaps you missed this:
Bachmann proposed a plan calling for a reduction in the Veteran Affairs budget by $4.5 billion from its annual $125 billion budget, including by capping increases to health care spending for veterans and reducing some disability compensation.
Well Groucho, she's an idiot too, no argument from me. So if she wins the nomination I won't vote for her. I bet you the rest of Congress won't go for it.
3WolvesandaMoon..
...and on that we agree..
Wolves, pls look carefully into the source of your news about "a military pay cut" and RSVP.
Here's an excerpt from Standing By Our Military Families, on WH website, Federal Budget 2012:
"Continues strong support for servicemembers and military families, providing $8.3 billion to support military families, including greater availability of affordable, high-quality child care and supporting quality education for military dependents. The Budget also includes funding for a 1.6 percent pay raise for military service members, as well as a variety of monthly special skill-based payments, enlistment and reenlistment bonuses, and other benefits."
Backhouse,
I know about the huge 1.6% and this came from Military.com and it was from an interview from Gates.
Wolves,
The actual percentage figure going forward is officially a + positive one. And I quoted it to you directly from the Federal Budget 2012: Standing By Our Military Families.
That means more pay for the military in the works, not less.
So no further need for you to"be upset" about it. Thanks.
These Repubs are great. First, they are underinformed and seriously so. Second, they always stick together therefor no original thought. Always in lock step. That is how the Nazis marched, isn't it. If a Repub disagrees he is quickly brought back in line because no one dare to speak against another Repub. Oh, that was Reagan, the fraud.
Henry-3533703
The difference is that the Republicans fight, then unite and stick to their talking points. Reagan said never speak ill of another Republican.
The Democrats, fight and fight and never unite. Someone said, I don't belong to any organized political party. I'm a Democrat. Sadly true.
The dems are their own worst enemy.
Groucho...I have to agree. The Democrats need to find more courage to face the GOP, who continually fight way below the belt.
You make good points about the Democratic and Republican parties. But would you rather have a leader who stands behind what he or she believes in like a Democrat or would you rather have someone who believes in what he's told to believe in like a Republican rather than what he actually believes?
M0-681343..
But would you rather have a leader who stands behind what he or she believes in like a Democrat or would you rather have someone who believes in what he's told to believe in like a Republican rather than what he actually believes?
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Sorry my friend, but you asked a question based on an opinion. If you give me a specific President that this applies to, I would be happy to comment.
"a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views" Barack Obama
Barack Obama flip-flops
FISA
NAFTA
Publicly financed campaigns
DC Handgun Ban
Guantanamo Bay / Bagram Airbase / Rendition
Single-payer Healthcare / Individual Mandate
Special Interest Contributions
Divided Jerusalem
I will be the first to say that Barack Obama has been an utter disappointment and the worst part is I was prepared to be disappointed by him and he exceed my expectations.
And I am a democrat, only because well the only other choice is Republican. Democrats are pretty d***ed disappointing, ever since I turned 18 to vote.
I believe ALL of media are guilty of covering Palin wayyyy too much. I either turn the channel or page if Palin is being discussed. What I'd really like an update on is the nuclear plant in Japan. "No news is good news" probably doesn't apply to that horrid situation.
On another note, where is the outrage from Liberals over Obama/Democrats not just extending the Patriot Act, but also expanding it, giving Govt even more power to spy? They seemed so incredibly angry at Bush. Now it's broadened & there's silence? Seems Libs should be going apesh-t. Weird.
As of yesterday, 1,503 U.S. troop deaths in Afghanistan. Of that, 933 has occurred under Obama.
Record civilian casualties in Pakistan due to Obama ordering the increased use of drones.
Obama's CIA Director, Leon Panetta, said enhanced interrogation methods were used to locate Bin Laden, which included waterboarding.
Why aren't the Liberal journalist & pundits calling Obama "evil"? I haven't heard an MSNBC commentator call our U.S. Military officials "cold-blooded killers" like Olbermann claimed when Bush was Prez. Where are all of those heartbreaking stories w/kids who lost daddy? Where are those internet death counters? Where's Code Pink? Cindy Sheehan?
Starky, Where are the pictures of the soldier"s caskets coming off the plane in Dover?
starkydoo, the outrage is that we are still fighting wars Bush should have finished long ago. Again, republican nutcases expecting Obama to clean up their mess immediately.
jimsepa: Obama won election on the basis of the democrat party attacking the war, guantanamo, Patriot Act, etc. Obama extended and enlarged all of it, thereby legitimizing it. That's not cleaning up the mess. That's hypocrisy. Another example of democrap nutcases drinking the kool-aid. If you don't understand the word hypocrisy look it up in a dictionary or google it online.
Charles Smith---the dems know the hypocrisy and it pains them greatly. That may be the basis for their upholding Obama's actions that they called for Bush's impeachment for, earlier.
Rocco,
Obama wasn't there for the photo op so the main-left media wasn't there.
How could Obama close Guantanamo when the republicans will not allow the terrorists in the states nor allow them to be tried in courts?
Just because Obama does something that goes against his general principals (democratic/liberal), doesn't mean that every liberal democrat agrees with it. If I believed that it was OK for Obama to renew the Patriot Act, then I would be a hypocrit, but I don't. There are quite a few things Obama has done that I don't care for, and I agree with people who say he is not a good leader (but then Bush II wasn't either, that's why he was manipulated so easily by Cheney and Rumsfeld). Just because I don't agree with everything Obama does (or doesn't do), doesn't mean that I want some right-wing nut case as President instead.
Andie....Have you joined the ACLU yet??? You would fit in nicely....
KJ...so you prefer your left wing nut case???
Andie, it was the Dem controlled House that voted against at the time, not the GOP.
Give up, Rocco. Andie is interested in facts.
Dasvet, The dem controlled House rejected the plan 282-113. The dem controlled Senate rejected it 90-6. Where those the facts Andie is interested in?
Rocco, Fat fingers betrayed me again. I meant Andie "isn't" interested in facts, just lib talking points. Thanks for letting me know.
 Interesting how you leftists seem to forget. Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Tim Geitner were smearing Brooksly Born [CFTC Chairman]- during Bill Clintons Administation - for trying to get derivatives regulated - the financial instruments that Goldman Sachs used to bilk Billions from investors by selling them the toxic Securies with bad home loans then using derivatves [insurance] to bet that it would fail. Bush was not President then.
The court held there was no constitutional violation, and even if there was, Ashcroft would be protected by the immunity public officials enjoy from lawsuits over their official acts
And why is that? That is exactly why Prosecutors bring charges against the innocent, and hide evidence, because they know they well never be held accountable for their actions.
That is a slap in the face of the US Constitution, and needs to be stopped!!
Well, nothing has change, the government members are not bound by laws of the USA that effect the rest of the citizens. You know, selective prosecution that's the way government works. You only have to be a government employee to enjoy selective prosecution. If you are a government employee and kill another person changes are you will not be prosecuted.
Never a word from the right about losing freedoms when it has to do with police powers.
Last week a decision to let cops enter our homes without a warrant. Not a peep from them on that either.
Amazing.
Every law passed limits someone's freedom. Would you repeal a law that prevents a terrorist from blowing you to smithereens?
I never espoused that every law creates loss of freedoms. YOU HAVE JUST COMMENTED THAT EVERY LAW LIMITS FREEDOMS. Not me.
I stated that the right does not comment on the loss of freedom with regard to police powers.
By not staying on topic and burying my point, you prove my statement to be the truth.
I should have clarified, I said that a freedom is lost for SOMEONE whenever a law is passed. Note the "SOMEONE". Maybe the capitals can help you comprehend.
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
I'd like to see that too. Unfortunately, that won't be happening under Bush clone, Obama. Google "Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe."
Guess Obama and Holder don't have to worry about going to jail now either........
Our republican supreme court shows its colors again. The supreme is for sale and the use of selective prosecution is alive and well. The republicans have a chance of a life time, they can go to the supreme court about anything they want changed. I expect the republicans to go before the supreme court and have some to the constitional rights eleminated. Civil rights, equal protection of the law, elemination of voting rights, abortion rights will all be on the table and their is no way to stop this destruction of our country, short of civil war.
A bit over the top -- don't you think???
Gary, what part of unanimous don't you understand? The 4 liberal members, 2 appointed by Obama, also voted along with the 4 conservative judges and the l independent.
Gary, I so agree that it just might not be a Politician who brings this Nation to it's knees, but the right wing radicals sitting on the Supreme Court. They are the true enemy of this nation! They have already proven that they care nothing for Children, women, or the Elderly. They consider Corporations the important factor in any election. Which should let everyone know your vote no longer counts. Just like in Florida! Why even have elections when they can appoint the President of their choice, and ignore the voters?
I'm glad to see our court system is starting to get a backbone again.
Your ignorance is showing Bill!
Bill B, if they would have ruled the other way you would have yelled, screamed, and thrown a hysterical, wild-eyed hissy fit and called them "activist judges"
No, no, no. This is a blatant violation of civil rights.
I have been reading these posts here and am glad to see the civility between opposing points of view. Even when Gary Hanson made a misstatement he was promptly corrected. Bravo! I hope to see a return of civility in our political process as well. Maybe, just maybe, this is a start.
Perhaps if the media would just report the facts and not their opinions? That goes for ALL of the news media.
Will never happen due to labor unions for one........Liberal news outlets have a pro-union agenda due to "Brotherhood" and "Solidarity" between unions. And most know one way to get fired or passed over is to go against managements wishes/agenda. Most are over opinionated bleeding heart Liberals anyway. Plus they hope they can get a sweetheart, screw the bond holder, give away deal like the UAW got from Obama when and if they need one. Obama is on record saying he wants to create more iunion jobs then non-union. His head is up every union's ass.
Screw the military and the War. The only difference between Iraq/Afghanistan and Vietnam is that they made sure to shut the opposition down and use mercenaries rather than start a draft. The military throughout recent American history is a "tool" of the rich and influential who manipulate poor youth and malleable suburban people to support the exploitation of Third World countries. Im in my 20s and already tired of seeing this bs repeat through history. I do not support the troops because I do not support the wars they fight.
Yes, triplebean, that sorry bunch of revolutionaries of 1776 should always be met with your "screw the military" statement. You are despicable.
You are wrong in your statement about our Troops. I always support our Military, but not the wars started by the Politicians for greed, and power!
Hey beans, maybe you should join the Military, because it just might make a man out of your sorry little rear end. Bean is a great name for someone so full of hot air! I doubt you know little about History. So misguided, and really a sad pathetic child!
beanbeanbean, you see quite clearly what the gullible majority, that is suckered into needless war after needless war, simply can't see.
Dwight Eisenhower, warning about the military-industrial complex, whose business is perpetual war, said, "God help this country when someone sits in this chair who doesn't know the military as well as I do." In both Bush and Obama, we've had presidents who fit that description.
Why did Ashcroft personally see that this person was detained? What it because the person looked like he might be a terrorist just because he wore a beard and wouldn't shave it off because he was told to do so? If so then Ashcroft can be charged under various discrimination and racism ethics violation's.
I overheard a similar minded racist and discriminator tell another person that he was too shave his beard off like he was military commadner just because his father had served in WW2.
If a person chooses to wear their bears a certain way then any attempt by any business or political group to force them to change their appearance based upon social conditioning the person into a certain group is conducive of a stereo-typical, racist and discriminatory mentality. Basically that which is the GOP/TP/Right Wing that continues to deny any person other than a white person to hold the office of the President of the United States of America.
So why did Ashcroft have the American detained again?
Ashcroft is another Right Wing nutter who assumes that because his name is John everyone should adhere to his words are fear the end of the world if he should happen to be put in jail or charged with any ethics violations.
RY-ON, whites, for the most part, elected the half/white. Was that racist? Aren't you aware that Obama won? You are awesome, dude!
Dasvet
Dasvet, your information is incorrect:
"McCain beat Obama among white voters by an even more impressive 12-point margin. Obama got 53 percent of the broad electorate to vote for him but only 43 percent of the white electorate." Google "What We Didn't Overcome on Election Day."
Without WHITE votes the half/white would not be President, in any case. The next presidential election will be about race, according to the libs,even if Herman Cain is the nominee. He would be reviled as an Uncle Tom. When the left has nothing else, out comes the race card, every time.
Dasvet
Of course, without white votes, Obama wouldn't be president. But that's not what you said. You said "whites, for the most part, elected the half/white." The fact is that the majority of whites did not vote for Obama, making your statement an incorrect one.
What is your source for that information? The last election wasn't about race, so why should the next one? There are other things of far greater importance to everyone, regardless of race, such as the employment situation, the wars and the new health insurance plan. Most unemployed people, for instance, are more interested in getting a decent paying job than in the race of the person responsible for ending their unemployment.
The election was about race and it should have been about competence. We got no competence as this is the most ill-prepared person ever to occupy the office. His results magnify that, notwithstanding, the criticism of Obama always reverts back to the race card.
As per usual, our government keepers are above the law. The so called Patriot Act gives them the unbridled authority to do the same damn thing to any one of you. I was still in law enforcement when this travesty was created and I said horse @!$%# then and I still do. For those of you that think it's a great thing just remember, it's OK as long as it's the "other guy" but some day your turn will come as the definition of a terrorist is evolving on a sometimes daily basis. Soon simply disagreeing with the government will be grounds for hauling your ass in. I bet a lot of you never though you would be forced to stand idly by while an eight dollar an hour letch or pedophile groped and fondled you wife or daughter just for the privilege of being allowed to take an overpriced airplane ride but that day is here. Once you allow them to start taking away your liberty for the illusion of security the terrorists have already won.
Yup, we are definitely in the downward spiral. When you treat your citizens like criminals, your political leaders like untouchable mafia dons, and worship glory hound demagogues like Sara Palin and Rush Limbaugh, and kick war vets to the curb, then it begins to look a lot like the fall of the Roman Empire all over again. While the Democrats are not blameless on this, Republicans are even more egregious in their hypocrisy (John Ensign, anyone?).
Just because someone wraps themselves up in the flag and wears the pin and preaches mom, apple pie, and God, does not a good American make. I think the SCOTUS blew this case, like they blew a lot of others. I really hope that we are not headed to where I think we are...but from personal experience, I can tell you it can't be good.
It is amazing how under John G. Roberts the Supreme Court has gone from being the Defender of the US Constitution and American Rights to just another Government Tool to Suppress US.
It is one thing to arrest someone and an all togther different thing to hold him without charges.
And before the Neo Libs & Neo Cons jump on me might I add now it can be YOU too!
All in the name of fighting "Terrorists"....here's a few more they might want to add.....
And a little ole lady doing 70 in a 55 zone is an Auto-Terrorist
And a little ole man screaming at his neighbors is a Gezr-Terrorist
And a 8 year old throwing a Temper Tantrum at school is an Educ-Terrorist!
And a 12 year old fighting with her parents is a Brat-Terrorist!
And a Woman arguing over her bill is a Corpo-Terrorist
And a Man demanding his pay is an Empl-Terrorist
And a Poster Posting is a Post-Terrorist
Seriously folks where does it ever end?
Does John Roberts have any more votes than the rest of the Supreme Court?
Good grief, it's really sad that so many do not know what a war crime constists of, and that would be lying to the American people through fear tactic to invade a Country for their OIL. O-operation, I- Iraq, L- liberation. Simple, just spell out the answers. I really do believe Cheney is the most evil of the two! I'm not even sure if Cheney is human!
Franny, such as droning Libya under Obama?
How about, I want you to stop trying to blow me up, then I will be tolerant of your beliefs.
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I was ready to come down hard on Ashcroft, who I have a low opinion of, but this guy was only held for 16 days and I think Muslims need to start accepting their complicity in this whole mess. They have zero tolerance for our secular society and hold it in contempt and as a result they themselves bear a partial responsibility for the hostile actions that their most radical elements engage in.