The GOP/TP/Birthers telling the truth.....

That's an oxymoron of epic proportions!....

Impossible!

Very true, chilled. Usually when a politician says "it's time to tell the truth" if just before he tells a very big lie. And if he/she tells that lie long enough, a lot of people will begin to believe it. No matter what the "it" is.

It's time for the truth. Yes it is. And the truth is- we are plenty pleased so far with our president, and are going to reward him with another term.

As Lilly Tomlin used to say as Edith Ann: ".....and that's the truthhh"

Sorry dbo, not all are satisfied. Truth is though, if these nitwits think they have a chance with their warped extreme vision, they won't be given any chance to depose Obama.

Steve - No one is forcing you to be here. Go over to Fox if you need to hear the right wing version of the truth.

get a grip, steve. conservatives are giving us the shaft as they speak. if that is the truth of which you speak, then you deserve the government you get -- personally, i didn't vote for the last eight years after clinton and before obama, so i think you'll agree i didn't deserve the government i got.

people/corporations who have benefited from all the tax cuts along with subsidies haven't helped the people of this nation very much. they've gone to where it's cheaper to operate. they have no loyalty to their country, just to their bottom line. welcome to open financial borders! but you can look to your conservative public servants who have de-regulated industries that require regulation.

most stations have real journalists, you know they have ethics to follow, unlike the most watched station, which is mainly based on commentaries...

Lighten up Steve. The Republicans are pulling a fast one on you again. They know a sucker when they see one.

The GOPERS and the Baggers could not tell the truth is their lives depended on it, same with faux. I listened to Jeff Sessions yesterday talking about the Ryan Bill coming up for a vote in the Senate, all he did is lie. I can not believe they think all Americans are dumb.

They lied in November jobs, jobs what a crock. All they have is bashing the Pres. and trying to pass their Taliban agenda. They keep saying its the will of the people the people they care NOthing about.

You can usally tell the people that cant make it without govt Help. They continute to call for the Govt to take other peoples money or complain about they fact they cant get the tax breaks others get because they dont have the Fortitude to put the hard work in. Its always somone else fault for the plitght they find themselves in Rich people or Corporations or this or that or taxes arent high enough on those people over there to pay for the things they want. Pathetic Excuses for HUMANS that expect others pt pay there way. Get a Grip. GROW THE HELL UP and make it on your own.

there will be a list passed around, please sign it and we will forward to the government to let them know you swore off receiving any social security or medicare.. Thanks for donating

Here is the rest of the article that somehow got cut off:

There it will be. The Pawlenty legacy in full view for all to see. A budget disaster that stems from his gimmicky, stubborn refusal to fix a structural budget deficit.

And now he wants to take the Pawlenty "method" to the national stage and wreck the entire country.

Pawlenty took the "no new taxes" philosophy and warped it into a bevy of burdens for Minnesota. His "no new taxes" caused huge property tax increases. His "no new taxes" increased fees on many levels. His "no new taxes" told our schools that your funds are now IOU's. His "no new taxes" left GAMC recipients out in the cold. His "no new taxes" left holes in our budget that now require over $5 billion to fix.

But you won't hear any of that next Monday. While Tim Pawlenty avoids the real tale of his tenure, he will pop the cork on a bid for the highest office in the land.

or "I told the truth and I failed"

Poor Timid Tim......... just make sure you start from your constituent and their "social engineered" plans.

Yep, my property taxes went up $1000.00 this year in this little town in MN. Thanks, Timmy.

Bravo Feisty!

and sadly,...Time for TPaw to learn something honest so he can then embark on a discussion of facts.

opinions, hate to break it to him, are not facts. especially HIS. this twerp is a FRAUD. Plain and simple.

This is the best comment you have posted all month!!! Bravo!!! Bravo!!! If I could vote this up 1000 times I would!!! Truly, your skill with the keyboard knows no equal!!!

Keep up the amazing work, you crazy red-headed progressive freakazoid!!! You make me proud to come to First Read everyday with witty and inciteful comments like this!!! Kudos to you!!!

Chris, x seems to really please you.

Chris, x seems to really please you.

Having read some of his previous garbage - it don't take MUCH! lol

Oh!!! Another witty rejoinder from the self-proclaimed feisty one!!! I am honored!!!

The way the words flow so magically from her fingertips!!! Why, she must be a witch of the highest order!!!

Kudos to you once again!!!

Chris, Cranbury NJ- what, exactly, does this have with Mr Pawlenty's announcement? Kudos to YOU, Chris.

You may as well quit Chris or run the risk of looking .....adolescent?

QUIT?!?! NEVER!!!

Why should I quit commenting and praising one of the most eloquent and prolific posters of the modern era??? True, I possess neither the incontinence or the flatulence that she does to post such valuable and important remarks, but to quit??? I SAY THEE NAY!!! I know not the meaning of the word "quit" when it comes to the important work being done here on First Read!!!

Do not try to mock me with your adolescent remarks, my old Kentucky friend!!! Do not try to silence me!!! The truth must be told!!!

And you are doing a very fine job of that Chris from Cranbury. Reach around and pat yourself on the back. Just be careful not to injure said arm, as it would render you totally useless. On second thought, injure that arm Chris. PLEASE!

What's this??? Another churlish retort from the good posters on First Read!!! 'Twould seem as though I hath struck a nerve with the First Read faithful in my praise of the sophisticated feisty one!!! For shame on you for mocking me!!! Shame!!!

Chris, how's the arm?

It feels great, Bryan!!! Thank you so much for asking!!!

Take your pills Chris...

When I heard TP's speach I had to pull off the road, I thought it was a comedy sketch. No, it was the same BS used to feed the morons.

Hello, Tired-of-it!!!

I assume by "TP", you are referring to "The President"!!! Indeed, my sleepy friend, it was comedy gold worthy of Pee Wee Herman himself!!!

Thank you for your concern over my health!!! I am doing fine and hope you are as well!!!

I just want to thank you for the fit of giggles Chris... You've made my day.... Post # 3.13 is about the best I've ever read on FR...

Weee Doggy , Chris - good you like comedy, does that mean your switching sides ? those Republicans have NO sense of humor, why would you want to hang around with those guys. Ask Ellie Mae if she is better off since her Uncle Jed found that black gold, Texas tea - as I recall you guys got tired of that mansion in Beverly hills and wound up going back home

Its finally time for someone to lay the sacred cows on the table and put them all under a microscope. We are way beyond broke. this is the 800 pound gorilla in the living room that the left is trying desperately to ignore.

Pawlenty is displaying the kind of courage when facing these issues, that we wish we could see in our current President.

Good opening moves for Pawlenty.

Edward,

Did you read at all about the $5 billion budget deficit t-paw left in the state of Minnesota? Did that escape your view? Imagine what he could do with the ENTIRE country's budget given the opportunity. At the end we'll hear something like:

"Truth be told, i should have just kept my mouth shut". At least that is my prediction.

edward 1075991 -- right, and didn't obama already say oil companies shouldn't receive anymore subsidies???? or do they not discuss that on the most wtched news commentary station???again, our congress voted for them to keep receiving their damned subsidies...the conservatives version redistributing wealth...which is for people who already have it! makes sense when you don't think about it...

I believe you are correct Jane.

They who got theirs given to them by Reagan and W don't want to turn loose of any of it, even when holding on to it hinders our nation.

But worse - it isn't enough that they are successful; everyone else must fail!

Sad. (and dangerous!)

I agree.. The subsides need to go.. BUT they need to be phased out slowly for EVERYONE.... Not just ethanol and oil companies.. Everyone, starting with GE.

No way do they need to be 'slowly' eliminated, do it all at once, immediately: these groups have profited FAR too much, for FAR too long and do not Deserve ANY more profits that take away from the rest of us. Eliminate ALL loopholes and the like NOW!

Now be honest, how would you like to go from paying $4.00/gallon for gasoline to $7.00 immediately? I'm not sure about you, but I'd like a little time to get use to those figures. Plus GE will have to have time to adjust the price of their light bulbs to reflect non-subsidized prices..

Now do you recall, right off the top of your head, how much China made in stimulus funds to build wind turbines? Now there's a subsidy we could halt immediately....

"Pawlenty said he is running because President Obama's policies have failed. If you believe that particular line..."

If you believe that particular line, you are reality-based, and you have a real job. You don't spend all day drinking the leftwing MSNBC koolaid, and making lame jests with other ranting crazy moonbats like Feisty Redhead.

If you think Obama's policies have succeeded, congrats: your snout is firmly stuck in the government trough...

"time for the truth...."

And if you believe that line you are reality challenged and will believe whatever you want to believe.

Now don't let facts get in the way of good narrative. So now Governors are responsible for bridge design as well. I just the 50 of them are brushing up for their structural engineering exams.

"The I-35W Mississippi River bridge (officially known as Bridge 9340) was an eight-lane, steel truss arch bridge that carried Interstate 35W across the Mississippi River in Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States. During the evening rush hour on August 1, 2007, it suddenly collapsed, killing 13 people and injuring 145. The bridge was Minnesota's fifth busiest,^[4][5] carrying 140,000 vehicles daily.^[3] The NTSB cited a design flaw as the likely cause of the collapse, and asserted that additional weight on the bridge at the time of the collapse contributed to the catastrophic failure.^[6]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge

If you believe that particular line, you are reality-based, and you have a real job. You don't spend all day drinking the leftwing MSNBC koolaid, and making lame jests with other ranting crazy moonbats like Feisty Redhead.

Okay, I'll go resign my attorney job right now because it isn't really real, and I don't pay for my own health insurance and retirement benefits, and all that silly fantasy stuff a girl dreams about all day.

(short interlude)

Whew. That didn't go so well, but it should make my days from now on MUCH easier. I can be just like those crazy right-wing rapture fanatics who quit THEIR jobs, gave away their beloved pets, and sold everything so they could give the money to that right-wing Christian snake oil salesman. And then, having finally seen the REAL light, I can also be around here a lot more, but now I'll have time to write really intelligent blogs and naturally become a conservative.

Gee, thanks, Bob. My life-long dream come true, thanks to you.

Now don't let facts get in the way of good narrative. So now Governors are responsible for bridge design as well.

Not quite. But Pawlenty specifically declined to allocate funds to repair the I-35. At the time of the collapse, photographs showing the over-stressed and defective gussets were already in existence and in the hands of the Department of Transportation.

Given this, what happened next is particularly egregious. On the date of the collapse repairs were underway to fix the decking of the bridge. The NTSB later criticized state officials for poorly supervising the construction and permitting the contractor to stack construction materials unevenly on the decking, exacerbating the strain on the already overstressed gussets, and causing collapse in those segments.

So, yes, it was a design flaw. But two specific sets of decisions were made by state officials under Pawlenty's supervision that ultimately contributed to the collapse of the bridge on the day it did.

So, yes, it was a design flaw. But two specific sets of decisions were made by state officials under Pawlenty's supervision that ultimately contributed to the collapse of the bridge on the day it did.

And what role do you honestly think Governor Pawlenty had in supervising where the construction materials were placed on the bridge?

As I recall it, he did have a role in the decision not to do maintenance on the over-stressed gussets, which were known to him, and being aware of it, he could have done more to be sure that the repair work was done safely. If Obama had done the same thing, some people would have called him a murderer.

Would you like me to name them?

If Obama had done the same thing, some people would have called him a murderer.

Would you like me to name them?

Personally I think that is a stupid argument and I prefer to not stoop to those levels. Accidents happen, but for the most part the people we try to blame, CEO', Politicians, etc... are so far from being involved that it is a waste of time.

There is crap spewing from both sides, but I prefer not to take the low road just because the other side did.

MBeaty - It doesn't matter, he was in charge when it happened. Therefore, he must accept some of the responsibility, especially if he had prior knowledge of the problem.

that's just right garbage -- you know like, obama had nothing to do with obl's demise cause the soldiers carried out the mission ... again, it'll make more sense if you don't think about it ... like it had to be the commander in chief to say go...

Hey everybody..........x

T-paw let a bridge collapse in his state. Certainly, if can't take of a bridge, one would expect him to let the economy fall.

Wow...digging deep there. If you look at any of the reports about the cause of the I-35 bridge collapse, you will find that it was a design flaw in the bridge that led to the collapse. So do all future political candidates need to have a civil engineering degree so they can personally inspect and sign off on the designs of all bridges that are built on their watch?

Sorry to burst your bubble - T-Paw may NOT have been directly involved in the collapse but, his actions (or lack there of) certainly contributed to it!

MINNEAPOLIS, Aug. 6 — In the past two years, Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota twice vetoed legislation to raise the state’s gas tax to pay for transportation needs.

Now, with at least five people dead in the collapse of the Interstate 35W bridge here, Mr. Pawlenty, a Republican, appears to have had a change of heart.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCcQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2007%2F08%2F07%2Fus%2F07highway.html&ei=n7faTbiNKqHu0gH67fz8Aw&usg=AFQjCNF_qvGi63sCfYsgrMTqsU8PYxgKgQ

The failure of the bridge led to the investigation that determined the bridge failed because of a design flaw. Trying to say that spending more money on transportation would have automatically prevented the bridge from collapsing is quite disingenuous.

I am all for infrastructure improvements and maintenance, but trying to blame the collapse of a bridge on the governor of a state is quite crazy.

Using your logic, should the gulf oil spill be blamed on Obama? Of course we all know it should not be, but that is the log you are using.

Do your homework. The Minnesota Department of Transportation had pictures of the failing gussets in hand, and Pawlenty ignored the risk.

How about this:

WELCOME TO AMERICA........THE LAND OF PAWLENTY

Pretty cool huh??

Um, no......

Well, that may be partially true but..........x

x, x, x, x

You're making a great argument for tax reform. Remove deductions and institute a flat tax or flatter bands. This is basically what the Ryan plan proposes. Once you've remove the deductions then we can argue where the rate bands should be.

"The truth about federal energy subsidies, including federal subsidies for ethanol, is that they have to be phased out. We need to do it gradually. We need to do it fairly. But we need to do it."

Pretty ballsy statement to make in Iowa.

It is actually registering as manure on my fertizometer. But the pigs with lipstick will enjoy wallowing in it, just the same.

I wonder who Tim would name as his running mate. Ryan?? Mitt??

Either way would be a real one-two punch to knock Obama on his backside.

First the Repubs/TPers have to get off their own backside and actually DO something for the PEOPLE of the US, not just the corporations, instead of just talking and lying about what they are going to do (like their bait-and-switch talk about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and then immediately try to kill Medicare/Medicaid and actually destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs)

If they do not get a clue and start Helping normal Americans rather than hurting them then they will NEVER unseat President Obama until he steps down after 8 years in 2017.

America is Dead Tired of the way that the GOP/TP has blocked all of the programs that WOULD have helped get us out of this recession faster and then have those same people that did the blocking blame Pres. Obama for not having done anything, regardless of the huge number of things he has managed to do in spite of the obstructionists. The right has NO chance of retaking the Presidency with their current crop of extremist misfits!

Dead Tired of the way that the GOP/TP has blocked all of the programs that WOULD have helped get us out of this recession faster and then have those same people that did the blocking blame Pres. Obama for not having done anything, regardless of the huge number of things he has managed to do in spite of the obstructionists.

When you say programs are you referring to DADT and the Dream Act? Otherwise I'm at a loss here. Could you tell me a few that "WOULD" have helped us out of this recession (according to some of you, the day Obama was inaugurated)??

You moonbats will know the TRUTH in Nov. 2012, when you failed leftist President is thrown out of office.

MSNBC cant handle the truth, so it spins for its few pathetic moonbat viewers.

I don't care who you are, Bob,- now that right there is funny!

Bob-numbers,

I've asked before, but you never answer questions. So one more time before i chalk this up to Alheimers - What is a moonbat?

jeepers doesn't everyone know that a moonbat is a bat that lives on the moon, and eats cheese? If a tea gagger says so, it can't be a twist and a spin and an exaggeration, its the truth by golly wolly.

Bobby, what is already known from 2008 results, is that middle class working America is tired of being run by Corporate Big Business who outsource jobs, and deregulated Wall Street. And that bigotry has gone out of style, except maybe amongst the inbreds in swamplands.

From my research Pawlenty didn't do any good for working Minnesotans. he made things more expensive, and cut needed services. Thats what I read.

So tell me Bob, yelling dude, name caller, what specifically and real and concrete event substantiates your statement. Maybe the one where our President had the guts to shoot Bin Laden, and track him where he was, not use him as an excuse to take over some other countrie's oil fields shamefully.

I want to hear your opinion, and may I remind you, an opinion is not the gospel written in stone, it is not a fact, it is an opininion and in this country we can have differing opinions without any fear.

9% unemployment under your failed President is the truth.

Out of control government spending leading to impending bankruptcy is the truth.

Just keep babbling while the adults try to save the country.

More jobs added during the last two years than during the entire Bush presidency? Check

Forestalled the bankruptcy and economic apocalypse the previous group of wingnut half wits left the country in? Check.

And what adults are you talking about? The Mayberry Machiavellis? There are NO adults in the GOP. Not anymore. The GOP is nothing but petulant children doing the bidding of billionaires. They aren't fiscally conservative, they don't value the military (unless they need to do a photo op) and they have the family values rabid rabbits.

nisl - don't forget 1 dead Osama bin Laden, someone Bush didn't give a r*** a** about.

Bob,

What was the unemployment rate under your failed president???

Since Bob isn't going to answer your question Bryan E., please allow me.

Between Dec. 2007 and Jan. 2009, 5.1 million American workers were laid off, fired, or otherwise lost their steady job. [READERS' DIGEST jUNE 2009 PP.122]

Prez W claimed unemployment rate of 8.8%, but this claim drastically innaccurate; real rate, including those off the rolls but still not working: 14.6%! [same article] (Reps count "funny")

Before W., Reagan, in 1982, 2 yrs. after introducing the nation to "trickle-down" reaganomics and giving the wealthiest a substantial tax reduction, saw a jump in unemployment to 10.8%, "a level not seen since the Great Depression." of the 1930's!

Thankfully we have a President today who not only saved all of those thousands and thousands of the big 3 automaker jobs (continuing to collect income tax from them) but has also instituted policies and programs which are turning that depression trend around and taking us in the correct direction as a nation. [268,000 new private sector jobs in April, 2011 alone.]

Obama had zero foreign policy experience when elected ...and it shows.

Damn, Sam- you're on a roll today. Give us more!

Right Bob,

He goes to Ireland and ignores the destruction of Joplin, Missouri. He tells the press that America has Irish roots. Wow, that's like saying water is wet, the sun is hot, rocks are hard. Is this what we pay him for?? And why does he have to drag Michelle along. Another free trip??

Geez, Edward- I thought all the 'pettys' were at the racetrack.

Bob, Edward, et al, why don't you guys just get over yourselves?

The President's trip has been planned for a long time. The main purpose is to attend the G8 Summit. The tornadoes occurred after Obama's departure.

If you would follow more of the news you would know that today marks the end of Great Britain's participation in the Iraq war. So the President's inclusion of Dublin and Ireland in his trip is very pertinent to ensure continuing allied support.

Even without these reasons, a part of the President's job IS to travel and tend to relations between the United States and the rest of the world.

fielden

Even without these reasons, a part of the President's job IS to travel and tend to relations between the United States and the rest of the world.

For sickos suffering from Obama Derangement Syndrome, Obama's job is doing whatever they say he should be doing at the moment rather whatever it is that he happens to be actually doing.

too funny, the world celebrates us our President. we have this intelligent, thoughtful man in the oval offce. only the right wingers ignore this. they want to take back their country. from whom or what do they want to take it back? smacks of right wing entitlement if you ask me. i think they got really spoiled and drunk with absolute power during their free ticket bush years, and dare i say it, smacks a bit of racism as well. finally, they know what it's like to not be in the driver seat

Only thing I've found is, like McConnell, he believes making Obama a one term president is the solution to everything... will put us in utopia. Moron!

They have to actually RECOGNIZE the truth before they can tell it...something they have a very hard time doing.

If you think about it, our economy started it's downward spiral right after the Democrats took over congress.

Just look at the unemployment figures that your beloved stupidas yo uthink has provided... Coincidence? Maybe but my personal finances started their nose dive at the same time.

Therefore, to answer your question. I fully understood what state this country was in when Obama took over and to say that I am not satisfied is an understatement..

You mean mouth the GOP, Tea Party and Fox news and obviously feel that Bob Shieffer pratically slapping Gingrich up side the head for having a jewelry tab at Tiffany's is news worthy... That's about as news worthy as which magazines and newspapers Palin reads..

Stuck on stupid logic strikes again. The economic timebomb was set up to go off by GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY, a decade before the Democrats wrestled control of the Congress back from the "incompetent" RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-ans.

You can't name one piece of legislation that the DEMs passed which Bush would have signed that could be responsible for the economic downturn.

Maybe it's not what they did pass as it is a bigger issue for what they didn't pass. Since you brought it up, why didn't the Dems fix "GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY" and reinstitute the Glass-Steagall Act when they wrestled Congress back from incompentency? Could it be that one of their very own, highly competant Senators said that everything was going good and there was no need for oversight?

We traded incompetancy for insanity....

The Senate Republicans would have filibustered any attempt at reform of GRAMM-LEACH-BLILEY. Your "idea" was a non-starter and DOA in the Senate. Please try to keep up with reality.

Well Paul, they did manage to get Health Care crammed through.. Maybe you should get a little reality. And since when has filibustering anything stopped the Democrats? Sure didn't stop Reid from marching the Dream Act out onto the senate floor, did it? Your excuse for not fixing bad legislation is absolutely absurd...

"Since when"??????? ........Really? Are you actually unaware that the the Rule 22 fake filibuster can be used by the minority in the Senate to "shelve" a bill "indefinitely"? Or are you just playing STUPID?

The Fake Filibuster, where they don't get up and speak, has been used a record number of times over the last six years by the RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-ans, to shelve forever legislation that 59 of the Senate wanted to pass.

The old, real filibuster used to only delay legislation, the Rule 22 filibuster, used 300 times by the Repukes, kills legislation which has a majority of support in the Senate.

Paul, honey, she ain't 'playing',...

Agreed, Clara. She's stuck on it.

Paul... We are talking about bringing legislation to the floor to be voted on whether it is filibustered or not.. So why is it you can't seem to grasp that? Now back to my original question, why didn't the Dems bring legislation to the floor of the house and/or senate to cancel Gramm-Leachy-Bliley and reinstate Glass-Steagall, even if they knew that it would be filibustered? And please don't give me that insanity about "it would have been filibustered anyway".. The point is that they would have at least showed that they were trying to fix the issues, right? Or was that the master plan all along, just like not having a budget in place.. Makes good fodder to aim at the Republicans, wouldn't you say?

How about you Ms. Clara, you have an answer? Or are you to stupid to understand my question along with Paul?

Stick that! How much does it cost to join the name callers club of MSNBC First Read??

Ellie Mae - please take a break and go out to the cement pond. If Granny hears what kind of words you are writing, she will wash your mouth out with Lye soap.

4yearsold, maybe you should heed your own advice? But just in case your posse doesn't get the memo, I'll ask granny to make sure she has enough "Lye soap" on hand for all of your mouths.

Sorry, Ellie,

Can't play with you today. Membership is free; but you have to know the difference between to and too when calling someone else stupid.

Ellie - thanks for checking, I miss granny

Oh that's refreshing!! Clara corrects my spelling (typical liberal spelling nazi), let's me know that membership in the name calling club is free and totally neglects to answer the question that is behind the name calling. First time that's ever happened <eyes rolling>.....

The RE-peat-the-lie-to-the-PUBLIC-ans fake filibustered 300 pieces of legislation which passed the house of representatives. You can't name five of them, Ellie. Not without looking them up. So your contention that it makes any political sense to put a bill into the works which has zero chance of getting past another fake filibuster by the minority is disingenuous and specious at the same time. The real democrats knew that GRAMM(R)-LEACH(R)-BLILEY(R) would not be something they could reverse in time to stop the economic timebomb from going off, but they could point to the Repukes for setting it up and refusing to adjust it when they had the majority.