Oh geez, Da Noid, I forgot about that. Well, whatever he does, I'm sure conservatives will find fault with it.

Well since Memorial Day is a day to remember our fallen Warriors, maybe it would be smart for Obama to be there, don't you think?

Glad to see you forgot about "that" Jody, I suppose it's just another day? Sad

HEy, I have an idea- why don't we worry about it all week, instead of waiting to see what he does? Sad.

I know where I'll be next weekend- the weather is finally warming up - damn you Al Gore.

I just hope the gas prices keep going down so the folks can come out and enjoy another fine boating season. Last time gas was this high [still over $4.00 here, but should be around $3.50 in Az - damn California blend] lake traffic was way down.

Less traffic = less overt drunken-ness and gratuitious nudity.

Say there any gratuitous flashing over at the Dew Drop. [yes, you are all welcome for that mental image. :)]

Well since Memorial Day is a day to remember our fallen Warriors, maybe it would be smart for Obama to be there, don't you think?

He wasn't last year and the Right totally blew a gasket over the whole affair. They even started this rumor that President Obama was the first sitting President to not visit Arlington on Memorial Day.

President Obama instead visited Abraham Lincoln National Cemetary in Illinois.

only during mardi gras, spankster.

Have a good weekend riding in the boat, enjoying the gratuitious nudity, and spanking it, Spanky.

True American gets Disabled

So, how is that Democratic Debt Reduction plan coming along?

I keep looking for it, but I can't seem to find it.

Maybe one of you "regulars" here at First read could post a link to it for me.........lol

I was thinking you'd be concerned about where the jobs are too. You do remember the Boehner crying about them; don't you?

Yeah, Feisty Redhead....or is that a converted Blond ?

If you stayed on track with the article, your posts wouldn't get collapsed.

Case in point, your post #2.9.

Get a life.

You are all WRONG.

May 21, 2011 is the day we are being Raptured so forget Memorial Day

ps Does anyone know if Ill be able to get a WiFi signal there?

There's just a title and no article? So we're just talking amongst ourselves, eh? In regard to manufacturing in America, labor, and the global economy...

Supposedly we subsidize farmers because food is a basic need that we must ensure is produced in sufficient quantity to feed our population at any given time. That does NOT apply to removing a crop from the food chain to produce ethanol at a lower ROI. Switch grass, algae, or something else should be used, and profit should be the only incentive needed.

We bailed-out GM to preserve this last bastion of manufacturing in the US, and to preserve competition--for higher quality autos at lower prices. This one makes more sense, as well as national security (like food) in the event plants need to be converted to produce armaments?

Subsidies for Big Oil... Just remove all loopholes and we can keep rates low for everyone. Stop gaming the system and just pay your damn taxes! One could argue that energy production is a basic need and therefore a national security issue, but when there are record profits, it makes one want to nationalize energy rather than subsidize it. There you go teabaggers, a way to balance the budget.

Health care is a basic necessity too. Oh, but we can't subsize that! Let's trade. All you teabaggers pay for your kid's education in exchange for health care. Education is very important, especially to compete in the global economy, but it's not a basic need like health care.

Businesses moving to "right-to-work" states versus off-shore sweat shops-- This is a lowest common denominator argument. What we should be talking about is how to end sweat shops, child labor, even slavery around the world--not how to make the American workers compete with these despicable practices.

What we should be talking about is the skyrocketing disparity between CEOs and their employees. Let me guess, while GE was designing crappy cars, their CEO was getting more bonuses. Conservatives talk about individual responsibility only as it applies to the poor working man. Heck, they don't even expect "exceptionalism" from their own leaders--look at the Republican field since the last century. They want a hottie or someone they could drink a beer with.

Until there is a Republican candidate who talks about restoring the American Dream instead of support for Ryan Hood's arse-backward plan to rob from the poor and give to the rich, the GOP/TP will be rejected (and rightfully so).

That reminds me, while President Obama is in Europe, maybe he can find a way to give American workers an entire month off for holiday like the Europeans do. What we need to do is lift everyone up, not take everyone down.

Correction to the above, I meant GM not GE, but GE is another example of corporate welfare that Americans need to reevaluate.

True Patriot...thanks for your comments. Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'll third that True Patriot,,,direct and factual !

Obama heads to Europe

Yes, it's been too long. They miss our fearless leader over there. And it's time to get away for another date night....

I already told you, Spanky. I am singularly uninterested in this issue. But first, you'd have to tell me how Daley voted.

In any event, I do wonder what the people of South Carolina think about a company that would abandon workers in already hard times, all because they stand up for themselves and exercise their legal right to ask for better wages and working conditions from a company that obviously earns a pretty profit.

Come to think of it, however, it IS South Carolina, isn't it?

You get what you pay for, Spanky. But if I were Boeing, I might be a little concerned about the workforce that I would be getting, and if I were workers in South Carolina, I would be concerned about what kind of employer I was getting.

Oh come on AM - you are the champion of all things union. It's why I love you.

Daley is a businessman, of course he voted in favor of South Carolina.

And really, you don't know how the SC's think about Boeing? THey get jobs, they love the company. They in fact are kinda hating on the NLRB and by association Obama. But then again it is SC, so no surprise there.

Get what you pay for? Really, so unions produce a better product than non-union labor. Yeah that seems to be working so well for GM. In fact my highly fuel efficient QX56 was produced in Tennessee, buy non-union labor. Nissan, Toyota, BMW all do very well in quality rankings. using non union labor. American cars, not so much.

I know, I know "live better, work union." :)

Daley is a businessman, of course he voted in favor of South Carolina.

Got proof?

In fact my highly fuel efficient QX56 was produced in Tennessee, buy non-union labor. Nissan, Toyota, BMW all do very well in quality rankings. using non union labor. American cars, not so much.

That's funny. My last three cars have been Japanese, too, and all built in America -- Kentucky and Ohio. I believe it's better to have the jobs stay here, even if that means sending the profits overseas. Japanese cars are superior, all right, but not because of the workers. They're superior because of superior engineering and quality control. It was management that wrecked GM and then successfully laid the blame off on the unions, rather than on themselves.

You know, the usual republican trick: dismiss the real issue in favor of the red herring. The lemmings that republicans count on for support lap that stuff right up.

I say, live better by engineering better. As I recall it, Kia and Hyundai didn't sell that well, either, until they learned that Americans like quality cars. President Obama's personal intervention into the GM morass appears to have made a difference there, AND saved the unions.

They in fact are kinda hating on the NLRB and by association Obama. But then again it is SC, so no surprise there.

Exactly. What else would you expect from the right-wing demagogues who rule that state? But what are the average workers saying?

p.s. I love you, too, Spanky, but what else would you expect from a peacey-lovey liberal like me?

Does this earn me a ride in the QX56? Sweet.

Spanky: Get what you pay for? Really, so unions produce a better product than non-union labor.

Not a chance. Non-union labor produces a superior product at a better price. Who went bankrupt again? Oh yes, GM, Chrysler, while Ford was right on the edge. Who needed bailouts? Who needed to screw their bondholders out of their money? Who ignored bankruptcy laws? Who told their vendors they weren't getting paid? Who is still running below market value what it would take to break even on paying back their government bailout? GM, GM, GM, GM, and GM. See a pattern?

Boeing is trying to compete with other manufactures, you know, like AirBus. To get their costs down, they wanted to move the manufacturing of their 787 to South Carolina. Obama and his union thugs said no to the move. Now Boeing has a choice. Either keep their manufacturing in Seattle with union labor and lose a cost advantage to AirBus, or off-shore the work. Liberals are constantly complaining about corporations off-shoring their work. Looks like Obama and his union thugs are encouraging it.

Spanky: Daley is a businessman, of course he voted in favor of South Carolina.

AM:Got proof?

Sure do.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailycaller/20110510/pl_dailycaller/gopsenatorsscgovnikkihaleycallonobamatoaddressnlrbe28099sboeingcase

Am - the article I read said Daley voted for the move. COme on, he was on the frigging Board of Directors after all. No way anyone on that board would aoopse the move.

Gonna have to agree to disagree on the other - my experience, including my time as a construction worker (non-union of course), was that the non-union shops produced a better product for less every time. But you know me - biased to a fault.

And you are always welcome to come a long for the ride - you'll just want to look away from the trip computer. MPGs not so good.

Not a chance. Non-union labor produces a superior product at a better price. Who went bankrupt again? Oh yes, GM, Chrysler, while Ford was right on the edge. Who needed bailouts? Who needed to screw their bondholders out of their money? Who ignored bankruptcy laws? Who told their vendors they weren't getting paid? Who is still running below market value what it would take to break even on paying back their government bailout? GM, GM, GM, GM, and GM. See a pattern?

Yes. Management, management, management.

Honestly, JoAnna, must you ALWAYS make it so easy?

I had three GM cars before I started buying Japanese. The last two had serious electrical engineering problems that were common to that era's GM vehicles. The first one rusted out after only four years -- obviously the product of poor engineering and design decisions rather than anything that the workers did. That's just my experience, of course, but that's what I base my perceptions on.

Sure do.

Okay. Then fire him. Obama surrounds himself with far too many of these kinds of characters, starting with Tim Geithner and Ken Salazar. You know I've always criticized him for his coziness with corporatists and with the oil companies, as well as his inaction during the recent anti-union attacks in Wisconsin, and this is just another example of that.

Your point?

you'll just want to look away from the trip computer. MPGs not so good.

LoL I drive a 2007 Accord. Look up the MPG for that. But it's got 270 horses and pretty decent European-style handling, and has never had a significant problem. I trade off expensive gas for peace of mind, and a little fun now and then.

As for the rest, read my reply to JoAnna.

I hate Hondas - cars and motorcycles (dirt) cause they are too damn sensible and of course boring.

Also as neat and shiny as the Accord is, and it certainly isthe best in its class, it doesn't seat 8, or my gianormous kids. Them little cars are tough when every body's six foot plus tall.

Also, not great at towing a 26 foot boat. or a trailer full of quads (and no Honda quads).

Plus the beast takes good old regular gas.

It's Friday AM, I am hardcore car guy. So I'm much rather talk cars.

As for boring, each to his/her own, but trust me, I've never been accused of being a boring driver, and my Accord suits me just fine. I could use regular gas, but THAT would be boring.

Size is an issue, of course, but 6'3" or 6'4" would fit.

In keeping with the afternoon's musical theme here, I'd say "baby you can drive my car," but unfortunately, it won't tow a boat. At least not without a trailer hitch. So your QX56 has got me there.

You'll just have to drive.

I like cars, too, by the way, since I was a little girl. We can talk cars all you want, but I'm sure you'd much rather attend happy hour.

Have a great weekend.

I say this with total confidence that we will both be here on Monday. ;-)

Unfortunately - it's only 3:30, and I can't get any of the usual suspect to go to pre-happy hour.

And sadly I will be in Sacremento most of the week next week, so you'll have to trudge on without me.

It's ok, I know you'll miss me.

I meant "here" in the generic sense. But miss you when you're not around here, meaning First Read? Always. LoL :-*

You think it would be, umm, rude to rock FR during a deposition?

Not bad comments once you scroll past all the left wing-nuts that hang out here.

Anna Molly : Japanese cars are superior, all right, but not because of the workers. They're superior because of superior engineering and quality control.

AM, I would like to know what qualifications you have to make this statement, and no it is not an opinion it is presented as statement of fact. Are you an engineer? Have you ever been involved in the design or engineering of a vehicle? What exactly do you know about Automotive Quality control? All of you on this board who think they know everything is really quite sad.

Thinking you understand the Auto Industry because you buy and drive a car, is like me saying I could defend an accused murderer in court because I watched Perry Mason. Stick to what you know, whatever that may be.

well, White Collar Auto, my last job was at a major car hauler whose business was 79% General Motors. I've test driven dozens of car models. The first 10 years of my driving career I only owned domestic vehicles. I was left at the side of a number of roads thanking my Triple A card for the bailout.

I drive an Acura and a Honda and have for the past 18 years and there is simply NO comparison between the experiences. I have NEVER had a mechanical issue with the Acura. Not once. I keep my oil changed and my maintenance on regular schedule. The only problems I've had with the Hondas are after about 8 years I've had two different transmissions go out. But I put some serious miles on my cars. I was never able to put 50,000 miles on my domestic cars. Always a break down or recall AFTER the sucker left me stranded.

I don't need to be an auto engineer to know what my own Independent Research Lab has confirmed,...Domestic Vehicles are NOT built to last. I've always believed it was part of the domestic auto industry agenda to keep people buying new cars every 4-5 years. I am simply not interested in having new, shiny wheels. I am very pragmatic and I will drive my cars 10-12 years or more.

Point me to a domestic that can take 150K miles and keep on ticking?

Market studies have been ignored by auto industry execs for too long. And they have created the PERCEPTION that domestic car makers don't want customers like me.

Clara, I could point to dozens of domestics that go 150K+ miles, but why bother? You made your mind up 18 years ago. Your Independent research shut down 18 years ago and that is where you are stuck. So you and the rest of the people on this board that think the domestic Auto Industry is frozen in 1984 go ahead an keep buying foreign cars. If you think the cars are more stylish or comfortable, fine. But you all need to stop with the "My Domestic car broke down 20 years ago so they all suck" mentality.

If all it takes is perception to form an opinion, Obama doesn't have a chance in 2012.

See how I turned that around on ya?

Another added bonus with foreign cars - resale VALUE!

Actually made money off my first Honda!

I also drive an Acura, my husband drives a Chevy which is a year NEWER than mine.

Like Clara, we BOTH keep up on scheduled maintanence.

Any guesses which was is 'nickle and diming' up to death? lol

White

I really did want to know about some domestics that could go 150K without major repair. I see you dismissed my experience as perception.

That is the problem with you rightwingers,...you're so entrenched in YOUR ideology that you won't recognize that the experience I've encountered, much like President Obama, is valid in CREATING the perception,...but I see you can't accept that. And rather than attempt to provide me with facts that can be verified, you've chosen to go all 'Trump' on me and personally attack me. Fine by me, but continuing to underestimate your opponent only harms you.

Feisty, I know right?

I agree with White Collar. The quality and durability of domestic cars has greatly improved in the last few years. I also find that the fit and finish and quality of materials, particularly on GM cars is not competitive.

So the average Ford or GM will go 200,000 or more miles. But the interiors are just plain and have too much cheap looking parts. In fact GM always takes $15 of cost out of the interior design right before production. I remember it also being a problem for Jaguar when Ford owned it.

But for me it doesn't matter. Like Spanky's car, my BMW was made here. And with all these cars now the parts come from all over. As long as the car comes from an American plant it "America" enough for me.

Plus for some reason there really are no cars made by Ford, GM, or Chrysler that are competitive or in the same class as the Euro or Japanese luxury sedans. And none offer Hyundai like warranties.

Clara, you used the the word PERCEPTION, not me. That is the problem with Left wingers. Do some research on your own.

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation.--William Paley

My family has bought domestics, until a few years ago, and my friends have. I'm proud to drive an acura, it performs better and it goes into the shop less then half the time. I had plenty of friends come into college loving domestics and saying everything else was sacrilegious and did not perform as well. Every single one left lamenting their car dreaming of buying a "poor" import. My family bought jeeps and chryslers, sold all of them as lemons and bought beautiful imports that we love to death. You can and will never convince me to buy a traditional domestic, only one I'll ever buy is a Tesla.

Perception IS reality, White. And you don't seem to care enough to give me some fact based stats on domestics. I am so content with my foreign brands, I don't feel the need to look further.

You spouted data and refuse to back it with facts to refute my opinion. No different than any other exchange on this blog on any other topic. I have an OPINION that is based on my personal EXPERIENCE that has helped me reach a CONCLUSION. You made a claim and I asked you for examples. Seems to me your CLAIM must not be very factual since you refuse to back it with information. That's just how I see it.

I'm not trying to bicker with you; but you just seem hell bent on taking the low road. Carry on.

Before I owned my own business all my company cars were domestic. My wife had a couple Jeep's and an Acura. Since starting my own business all of our company cars have been foreign cars, MB, Acura, Saab, Volvo, Subaru. They were all built with all or a majority of their parts here in the US. I am counting some of my daughters cars in there now. The only US branded car I would buy these days is a Jeep because we have a mountain house in CO. The last car I would buy would be one from GM. I have already helped bail out their union I am not going to contribute to anything else from GM - ever.

drive-by -

Can I get a request in while there's still time? Skeeter Davis - "The End of The World", of course.

Though since apparently only the truly righteous are leaving tomorrow, I expect to see each and every one of you back here again come Monday! (Yep, that includes you, "True American"......err.....or whatever your name is this week.....)

Only the fun people will be staying, JoAnne. See you Monday. ;-)

JoAnne- If I can't find a copy of End ofThe World, think I could slip in 'Live for Today' (Grass Roots)? Shame about tomorrow, though. I still have some mowing to do, and I still have to wax the dog.

Dang.

Welcome back, 'piper'. Where ya been?

JoAnne- another song title! Pied Piper!!

I have been DISABLED again......

I'll spell this out for you real S L O W m'kay?

You have been disabled because you have been B A N N E D on at least 3 other occassions!

Capich?

True -

You totally just made my week - you're like the guy who gets busted for holding up a liquor store who tells the cops it couldn't have been you because you were busy holding up a bank!

DBO - Crispian St. Peters? Works for me!

"You
With your masquerading
And you
Always contemplating
What to do
In case heaven has found you
Can't you see
That it's all around you
So follow me...."

dbo:

I still have some mowing to do, and I still have to wax the dog.

Do what you want about the lawn, but I think I'd skip the dog. All dogs go to Heaven, you know, and in Heaven, he/she won't need the wax.

And that will leave more wax for those of us who stay behind. ;-)

True:

but no worries....I can always pipe back in whenever I want

LoL Maybe, but maybe you also shouldn't announce your presence in such big neon letters. Sheesh.

Speaking of 'wax'- JoAnne, do yo have to pull out the 'wax' to get these lyrics, or are they floating around in your head just from memory? If that's the case, you don't need no stinkin' beat-box!

And, speaking of 'Heaven', AM, sounds like an ok place for 'Spot', but if there really is no beer there, I'm staying here with the wax crowd! And Huck. And Sarah. And Noot. And Jimmy Swaggart. And, if I read some of the other posters on here correctly, that redhead from Roselle.

True American gets Disabled

JoAnne...you must have missed my posts over on First Thoughts....I have been DISABLED again......Newsvine doesn't seem to like dissenting viewpoints; I, in no way, VIOLATED THE TERMS OF USE OR THE CODE OF CONDUCT, but still I was disabled.....curious, no?.....only you, Bev, Feisty, Navy, & Drive-by get a free pass at name-calling and vitriol....

but no worries....I can always pipe back in whenever I want

It's all a grand conspiracy theory! MWAH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

President Obama surely does has a big trip scheduled for next week. Look at how Ireland is almost ready for their visit from our president. Cool, cool photos. They are tremendously excited. He will be there Monday.

http://theobamadiary.com/2011/05/20/almost-ready/

for JoAnne in PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgcy-V6YIuI

For Newt:

Dancing Queen - The best song eva!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEgYiMkOcZQ&feature=related

True:

as long as you all know, that EVERYONE knows, this blog is nothing but a shill for the socialist/communist party of America.....

LoL Just to save time, could you tell us in advance who you will be next week?

Thanks, Amy! I actually got to see Skeeter sing that live at the Grand Ole Opry back in the 70's - long after this clip - but hey, now at least we know who Donald Trump stole his hair from!

DBO - I totally cheated on that one. But for some reason this has always been stuck in my head:

In heaven there is no beer

That's why we drink it here.

And when we're gone from here,

Our friends will be drinking all the beer.

JoAnn- I think they sing that one at a lot of colleges around the country. Makes perfect sense to me. Sadly, I never got to the old Ryman until after all the lights had finally gone out. Just being in there, though, you could feel 'em all around you, still. Tootsie's Orchid Lounge and Earnest Tubb's Record shop- not so much.

That's too funny Pat, Boston. Also wanted to tell you I always enjoy the ObamaDiary link.

Buzz,

Don't forget some REM - "It's the End of the World as We Know It,...but I feel fine!"

Pat. thank you for sharing that link. Earlier today I talked with a cousin in Dublin, who told how excited the people are to have our President visit them. He is absolutely adored over there. She herself was planning to go hear him speak on Monday, that surprised and pleased me as she is not one for big crowds. It should be a great time.

After 0bama visits and tells them how to run their country - they will learn to despise him like more and more Americans are doing every day. I would suggest he not stop by Israel on the way back. Probably shouldn't go to the UK either. They aren't too happy with him for giving the Russians their nuclear information. The more you get to know 0bama - the more you can't stand him.

In europe they respect the US because of our great president.europeans are more intelligent because the british prime minister said he agrees with Obamas suggestions on middle east peace,so they love him.why should he go to israel if they want to remain in darkness thats there problem he is the light.he should not give that a thought.please "giving Russians nuclear information"what a moron

In particular, a debate about national security. After watching President Obama at the CIA today, I was literally tearing up. Bachmann makes me tear up, too, but mostly, as you say, from laughter.

Bachmann would rip 0bama a new one. He will be off teleprompter and won't be facing a stiff like McCain. Face it - all 0bama can do is read a teleprompter and community organize.

Did you hate it when the kids in school called you 'Eddie Munster', and is that what makes you want to get back at them now that they are getting old?

Progressive=, you should forward those questions to David Gregory. I'd really like to know the answers to them and it would be fun to watch the spin and the squirming.

See, and I would say they're just as often clueless, as not.

It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?

Hope you survive the weekend, Bob.

What Wobbert- no mention of Fox and THEIR rightie spin? None at all?? Why not, big guy- a little one-sidded yerself are ya?

Oh, Wobbert- you such a WE-AOW man!

Just what does the crack MSNBC staff do all weekend?

Are they glued to the "Lock-Up" and "Predator" shows like me and Drive By?

If only they could be a big boy network all week, not just the first five days. Oh well, I'm sure all that COmcast money will come a-rollin' in anytime now.

Mark Murray, appreciate the response, but Mitt Romney's good week was at the expense of other Republicans, not the President.

And since my daughter graduated from college and the Red Sox swept the Yankees, Mitt's week was not nearly as good as mine, in any event!

Wow, Bob expects FR to make up good stuff about republicans as they do over on FOX. Please tell us what good things republicans did this week. Ya know, Bob-ster, FR is often writes critical articles about the Obama admininistration, our President and democrats as well or do you just whine when its conservatives taking the heat?

Congratulations to your daughter on her graduation.

Booby is in a snit because I didn't offer him some ribs & potato salad!

Silly boy, all you have to do is ask!

I do so enjoy when the right wing nuts attacks our hosts - any guess how that would fly over on the Faux Blog?

Maybe something like this?

Last week, ThinkProgress reported on high school sophomore Amy Myers, who challenged history-challenged Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) to a public debate on the basic facts of the U.S. Constitution. “Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me” to the challenge, she wrote in an open letter to the tea party doyenne. Unfortunately, it seems some Bachmann fans haven’t taken Myers’ challenge kindly and are now threatening the teenage girl with violence:

After it started getting media attention last weekend, commenters on tea party websites have threatened to publish her home address and some have threatened violence.

The 16-year-old from Cherry Hill says several commenters have called her a “whore.”

Her father, Wayne, says he’s concerned for his daughter’s safety

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/05/20/teenager-bachman-debates-threats/

A 16 year old. Now that's sad, right there.

What the hell is this country coming to? Both items simply amaze me. The threats to a 16 year old, and a supposed leader that knows less of our American History that that same 16 yer old holding pubilc office.

Sad as hell.

It's true.

Liberalism is a mental disease. Obamacare should take care of that problem....Oh, wait.

Oh Lord, my whole baseball season just got rained on.......our Bobby ####'s is a Red Sox fan!!!!. LOL, I suppose it takes all kinds. Yes, it was a wonderful sweep, lets hope they keep up their winning ways.

Congratulations to you on your daughter's graduation.

GBM,

Even the Royals swept the Yankee,...there is something fishy going on in NY. I am happy, no matter what.

PS. Have you ever seen the movie Fever Pitch? that is a GREAT Red Sox Fan movie!

If Liberalism is a disease, I don't want to be cured!

If Liberalism is a 'disease', Conservatism is TERMINAL! ;o)

Feisty Redhead, michelle bachmann is a dangerous women who lied and deceived her way through life. bachmann is so hateful its sickening. she is so stupid its sad. bachmann is a far far rightwing nutjob crazy wacko and very racist. bachmann is the worst of all the teanuts and is a total phoney. PS bachmann and her teanut buddies work for the koch cult, what is that telling you. Also they don't care about this country all they care about is power, sad.

Hey Patriotic American - Have you heard about Bat Sh!t crazy Bachmann's other CASH crop, besides her $250,000 in farm subsidies?

Sure, you knew Michele Bachmann was a crazy pope-hating Jesus Freak and Republican candidate for Minnesota’s 6th district who’s likely to win because all those people are crazy down there, but did you know she basically runs a baby farm?

A Wonkette operative says Bachmann has five kids of her own and raised an astonishing 23 foster kids. A nice person would say, “Oh, that’s a nice thing.” But our cold-hearted operative notes that Minnesota pays $30 a day, tax free, per foster kid.

“So if Bachmann has fostered 23 children, let’s say for an average of five years, that would come out to a non-taxable $1,259,250,” the Wonk-Op writes. “No wonder she’s anti-abortion. Children are a cash crop for her.”

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwonkette.com%2F211978%2Fmichele-bachmanns-baby-farm&ei=PSfYTenkI8nb0QHKl4n8Aw&usg=AFQjCNHwogXU-J-rPs-6K6dYdoLF_Ty4nw

Not a bad gig huh?

You cannot be that stupid. Everyone who has a child understands that the cost of a child is grossly more than $30 per day.

Bachmann is a foster parent for the money? No serious person would ever believe that.

You are simply a ridiculous and unserious person Feisty Redhead.

What's even more frightening than Bat Sh!t Crazy Bachmann making millions of her cash crop is, she HOME SCHOOLED them!

But that's what Michele Bachmann did. For six years, from 1992 to 1998, she opened her home to a total of 23 teenage girls who needed a family. She juggled raising up to nine kids at a time, homeschooling her grade-school-age and younger biological children during the day and bonding with her high-school-age foster children at night. It was a demanding life — to get a taste of the workload, consider that Bachmann was often doing four loads of laundry daily – but one that she loved.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=14&ved=0CDAQFjADOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbachmann.house.gov%2FNews%2FDocumentSingle.aspx%3FDocumentID%3D233883&ei=KiTZTZX8FIrz0gHGooX8Aw&usg=AFQjCNGqz_SejhC6ca0yl1MaFoATBZY1UQ

One can only hope she didn't teach them American history!

ABC New's Amy Walter and Amy Bingham report:

A blunder of historical fact - not proportions - tainted Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann's first visit to New Hampshire this weekend. Speaking to students and conservative activists in Manchester, the Tea Party activist encouraged the Granite state to be proud of its role in the Revolutionary War.

"You're the state where the shot was heard 'round the world at Lexington and Concord," Bachmann said at an event organized by the Republican Liberty Caucus of New Hampshire.

The shot that started the America's war for independence was, of course, fired in Massachusetts

One more thing, show me a mother out there with high school age kids WHO does 4 load of laundry a day herself, and I'll show you either a fool or a LIAR!

Loved the way Netanyahu schooled Obama on the real world.

John: You think that making a public display of biting the hand that feeds and protects you, and has done so faithfully for more than 60 years, sometimes at a cost of blood -- as in the USS Liberty attack -- as well as treasure, and mostly without thanks, is a demonstration of the REAL world?

I think that's evidence of some self-delusion, as well as extremely bad manners.

Funny, so DBO what your saying is, if you don't listen to me you don't get any aid. Kind of like that?

Didn't know Obama decides who gets aid and who doesn't.

Give it a few days, Obama will back down from his lame "1967 borders" idea in short order. And it won't be in a speech in front of a hand-picked audience of lemmings, but will be with his un-useful idiot press secretary Carney saying his boss was "mis-interpreted", quickly followed by "next question".

"Obama: There will be no more of OUR taxpayer's dollars going to YOUR country for a while"

Certainly Hamas would be cheering this action.

"Didn't know Obama decides who gets aid and who doesn't."

SOooo, then- all this yammering from the right about Obama and people receiving food stamps and other 'entitlements'?

'Splain it to me, wouldja 3 Einsteins-and-a-flake?

Really Drive By - resorting to petty name calling?

Come on buddy, I know you are better than that. And to a guy like 3wolves no less.

I thought you all were all about respect and support for the troops? Not so much for you DBO?

And as for Obama - I thnk he will be backing off the Israel demands. Seems he's got all his liberal Jewish friends in a tither. I hear that several fundraisers have already been cancelled in LA alone off the '67 border comments.

Obama is a smart cookie. He knows he needs the money, especially now that it's go time on the campaign. He'll back down. It's just what he does.

That, and "lead for the rear."

JoAnna:

Give it a few days, Obama will back down from his lame "1967 borders" idea in short order.

You mean Bush's lame 1967 borders idea, don't you JoAnna?

http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2011/05/20/bush-clinton-endorsed-pre-1967-borders-for-palestinian-state/?cxntfid=blogs_cynthia_tucker

From Bush's 2005 press conference on this issue:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201105200004

Any final status agreement must be reached between the two parties, and changes to the 1949[[-1967]] Armistice Lines must be mutually agreed to. A viable two-state solution must ensure contiguity on the West Bank, and a state of scattered territories will not work. There must also be meaningful linkages between the West Bank and Gaza. This is the position of the United States today; it will be the position of the United States at the time of final status negotiations.

Now, especially since this is the same starting point applied by both previous presidents, and given the standing he has gained from killing Osama bin Laden and his recent successes against the whiners like Trump and the birthers, as well as his smack down of Paul Ryan, I highly doubt President Obama entered this game where he did just to back down in a week.

And suppose for a moment that he does? Backing away from it would, in your opinion, accomplish what that would be superior to sticking with it, as he has qualified it by setting conditions for talks and modified it with the idea of swaps?

"Lead from the rear". Is that what you'd do in a street course against AM in her Honda Accord? Car guy, my ass. You prefer barges and you know it. Bet given the same set up (think IROC), she'd out brake you, out corner you, and just plain outrun you. Yer a funny guy, Sparks.

LoL Watching Harball now. Even Pat Buchanan agrees with me. Only ideologue, anti-Obama-everythings would say that this was a good move on Netanyahu's part.

@ dbo --

LoL I appreciate the vote of confidence. I think.

See you Monday. Only the good rapture young.

You may be right DBO, but I did have a red IROC back in the day. It was one sweet ride, big v-8, t-tops. Sadly it was stolen.

But as you know the QX56 is not my only ride - I have several cars. My favorite is the '89 Chevy pick up. The motor died at 190,000 [bent cam-shaft], so me and my oldest put in a create Vette motor and of course the vette computer chip. It literally screams.

But if I were to auto-cross again [used to love to do it with my dad] I use the wife's CLK 430. Sure it's a convertible, but it has a sweet aluminum v-8, and is the sportiest thing I have now. My S430 sedan would be a little bulky.

But it's all good Drive By, the brand new, shiny and totally re-designed Porsche gets here in November. I am all over it. I think I'll be able to take AM with that.

Cheer up. The idiot in our White House just lost the Jewish vote. this means he lost Florida and therefore threw the election.

What a super dumba$$. LOLOL

Hit a nerve DBO? Asked you a simple question and you responded with your typical dumbass response. If you don't know it, just say, "I don't know" instead of showing your ass and looking like a fool. You MIGHT get more respect from others, but I don't see that happening.

umm, cavalier Edward,

I'm Jewish and the man has MY vote. What do YOU know about the Jewish vote? About as much as you know about Israel and Netenyahu?

Read something and quit acting like you're informed on a topic which clearly escapes you.

Clara,

I said he lost the Jewish vote. I didn't say ALL Jews were smart.

Obama's statements have really caused an uproar in the Jewish community. It is very surprising to me that he would risk losing these votes.

He won't lose them. There is no one "Jewish community" vote.

I actually disagree - although there ay not be one Jewish community, they tend to be VERY like minded when they perceive a threat. Has something to do with their very unfortunate history.

That and they tend to circle the wagons around anything related to Israel,

Form what I can see, Obama has greatly damaged his standing in that "community."

Not only is Florida most certainly GOP now - this stupid move by 0bama likely put NJ more in play than it already was. PA and OH have already turned Red as have VA and NC. Looking good to make him a one term POTUS.

Obama has maneuvered himself into a corner with his socialist agenda. He can't get anything passed because he singlehandedly lost the House. If he moves to the right, he antagonizes his libbie pinko base. On top of all that he has spent way way too much and we are beyond broke.

Now with this Israel thing on top of the Libya thing, his little corner is getting smaller. Feeling squeezed Barrack??

He can't run on his dismal record, he has no accomplishments. All he can do is mount cheap attack ads. Trouble is, Americans have gotten tired of attack ads and want to see some substance in the campaign. No more slogans please. No more bumper sticker mentality.

I'm suprised they havne't all pulled a Sarah, and hid out from the press, except for that one Murdoch outfit.

DBO. I am not so sure Newt was asked tough questions, he just gave dumb answers.

I dunno at, I suspect it might have something to do with ratings.

Hey maybe they should just run an hour of To catch a Predator. Seems to really be doing the trick for MSNBC, right?

Spanky. As much as the media try to help the republican cause, people like Newt and Ryan can not help stepping all over their own messages.

Pat - too funny. It's almost as if you actually think that NBC seeks to further any cause other than its own.

I'm thinking Gregory is just looking to earn better rating than Amanpour [she's just horrible] or Wallace.

In fact I hate Amanour, but I'm thinking with all the Israel flap it'll be the one to watch.

Oh and worry not about the republican message - it's all that's being talked about. Unless it's always been Obama's dream to fight deficits, cut taxes, and deal with a really pissed of Israel, and even more fired up American Jews.

Yep - he's really living with in the democratic platform alright.

Spanky, Amanpour is 10 times the journalist ESPECIALLY on foreign policy than Gregory will EVER be,...AND she seems to know people who know people. She stated on Bill Maher several years ago that Osama was in a villa in Pakistan,...just sayin'.

Gregory was GREAT at Whitehouse Correspondent; but I have never liked him in this current role. Never,...The round table is sometimes interesting.

PS. You SHOULD be watching some Bill Maher tonight, if you want to laugh AND cry at the political state of affairs in America.

Spanky. I think the cause of corporations,including NBC and wealthy pundits is furthered by a republican president and a republican congress, at the expense of the middle class. No big conspiracy theory, they just have common interests.

As to the Israeli issue. I expect an American president to put this nations interest above all others. And if that, as you so colorfully put it, pisses people of, so be it

Maybe Pat, but I think Imhelt likes his time at the white house, plus ain't no money to be made off all that "green" crap that GE pitches off republicans.

Also he'll back off the Israel boarders crap - he's too smart and knows he cannot lose the liberal jews, and especially their money.

Amapour is just horrible. Her silly show focuses way too much on other parts of the world - like they somehow matter.

Come Clara - USA! USA! I know you can chant it. :)

Spanky,

We're in a Global Economy now, it benefits ALL Americans to understand the implications of that.

Besides, American Exceptionalism is so last century, no? I mean given the drop out rates, isn't America pretty much running to stand still on competitiveness in the Global Marketplace?

Say it with me, Spanky, they don't hate us for our Freedoms, they hate us for our Arrogance.

I agree with Clara - they hate us. Yet they still gladly take all of our aid.

Since we have no money, and are reducing programs here, perhaps it's time to stop all aid. Then we shall see how important America is to the world.

They hate us because we are so much better than them. Like it or not Clara the US is still exceptional, and is the only thing that holds the world together. Just think of the world without the US as its anchor.

muffintop1

I was mostly being sarcastic w/ Spanky. But I DO believe our exceptionalism is declining at a rapid pace. With the drop out rates and the loss of manufacturing,...the under educated are simply NOT going to be competitive. This trend is completely unsustainable.

And they hate us for our Arrogance,...if we have to state that we are better,...we've pretty much already lost the high road. Our overinflated ego and superiority complex don't line up with the aggregate stats on KEY indicators. We are lagging FAR behind, per capita on math and science scores, innovation and technology, etc.

You are a moron. 0bama has embarrassed our country like no other POTUS.

ranmarie. You will never convince conservatives with facts, look how many still believe the President was not born in America

But that was not a vacation.

He was weeding and clearing brush and working in the yard. I hate working in the yard.

Yes Patrick and we all vote too.

Well if I voted for a republican in the 2010 elections I truly don’t think I'd leave anyone know, governor's like Walkers and people like Ryan just give on giving.

Now we all know why so many people believed all the false advertisement for the 2010 elections 90% of them no doubt believe tomorrow is the end of the world and they were foolish enough to send that fake prophet billions of dollars.

B

At least President Obama can leave the country.

International arrest warrants have been requested for George W. Bush, Richard (Dick) Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld,

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/news/1/12663-international-criminal-court-complaint-filed-against-bush-cheney-rumsfeld-tenet-rice-and-gonzales-international-arrest-warrants-requested.html

may face war crime charges in Spain

http://www.selectsmart.com/DISCUSS/read.php?16,692035,693109

Down the wrong path.

War Crimes??? BHAAAAAAAAAA

Notice how Obama's job as President is over?? He is now Obama the campaigner. Obama the showman. The stimulus didn'twork....well, forget about that, that's old news. Gas prices, grocery prices?? Forget about that, that's old news too.

Health care "reform" that isn't?? Forget about all that crap, can't you folks see I'm campaigning??

Get off my back you racists. I've got a campaign to run here.

C'mon Michelle, lets go somewhere.

Edward: Actually, the stimulus did work, quite well, which is why we never went into a second depression and why we're out of the recession. (ask anyone with an education). Health care reform: guess you didn't get the memo--it passed. Racism? I'll leave that to you--you seem schooled in that.

Bachmann has a good shot in the Iowa GOP caucus, particularly since Huckabee dropped out. It sort of left a bible-thumper vacuum all of a sudden.

Many Libs have turned on him because of his stance on Amnesty for Illegals.

Even they can't swallow that garbage. Just like Republicans pushed back hard against Bush when he made the same similar, yet weaker effort.

And some intelligent libs are not happy with his total hatred of business. They know the free market economy is the solution - not government takeover.

So, give credit to some of the more intelligent libs. They are no longer fooled by this fool of a community organizor.

Alan: Our President--missing in action? Guess you haven't been paying attention. No need to be scared--Come on out of that basement. There's a whole world going on up here!

Wow, alan

you've certainly outlined a 'cogent' argument for why the Republican Presidential candidacy bench should be DEEP with talent and yet, WHERE ARE THE CANDIDATES?

Better yet, WHERE ARE THE JOBS?

It's looking more and more like the GOP is afraid to get into the race. I can't imagine why the party of FEAR would shy away from such an 'easy task'. Well, I CAN imagine.

It's exciting to live during the age of Obama! Finally a brain in the WH!

USAF - you must have served while Jimmy Carter was President. Were you willing back then to follow your commander in chief? From what you write above I think not, or maybe your attitude has changed over the years?