A new NBC News poll lends insight into how Americans feel about the bin Laden raid and President Obama's handling of it.
In his interview on "60 Minutes," President Obama admitted he didn't lose any sleep over the possibility of taking out Osama bin Laden.
"Justice was done," Obama said. "And I think that anyone who would question that the perpetrator of mass murder on American soil didn't deserve what he got needs to have their head examined.”
It appears most of the American public agrees with him -- at least the part about taking out bin Laden.
According to a new NBC poll, 80 percent of Americans said it was the right decision to kill the al Qaeda leader versus capture him. Eleven percent said was the wrong decision, and 9 percent were not sure.
The NBC poll -- which will be released in full tonight at 6:30 pm ET -- was conducted May 5-7 of 800 adults (100 reached by cell phone), and it has a margin of error of plus-minus 3.5 percentage points.


Even better numbers than previously expected! ;o)
It's energizing to see something that the majority of the country agree upon, regardless of how long it lasts!
Thank you President Obama for providing the opportunity to stand united! ;o)
No one disagrees that he needed to be killed, some of us think that we didn't need the barbaric celebrations of his death. Makes us no better than him.
Slow news day I guess. FR... please tell us something we don't know!
Thank you President Obama for your leadership. Thank you our Intelligence Department for finding that scum bag and Special Thanks to the US Navy Seals team #6 for carrying out Justice.
Actually, the 20% are GOP Teabaggers who disapprove only because it was Obama and not Bush who had the cajones to order the hit. They would rather Osama be alive to continue using him as a political tool.
Eric Holder still INVESTIGATING our own operatives for waterboarding mass murderer KSM and getting the goods on OBL
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"Gotta go downtown NYC for some Cool Campaign Cash from my buddies on Wall Street" -- Barack Obama
President Obama doesn't play games when it comes to finalizing the objective!
He said what he would do, given the opportunity in 2007 and when the opportunity presented itself made good on his promise!
Remember Bush & the Dick changing the terror warning to be so scared you'll sh!t yourself the weekend before the 2004 election? I do!
BTW - That's President 'Odumbo' to you - moron!
Nice to see so many liberal's now supporting the death penalty. Seems at one point there was never a good reason to take a life. Hypocrits!
Thomas - Bitter, bitter. Just admit it, anything our POTUS does you will hammer just because. It should be obvious, even to the obtuse, that the decision to take out bin Laden wasn't political but the right thing to do. Our POTUS has his eye on the prize(re-election) no doubt. But its going to be on his terms of pointing out what the Repugnants have in store for the middle class and the poor that seal his victory not the temporary high of taking out public enemy #1. Stop sipping your bile!
Only someone with your obvious displayed intelligence would choose politics over getting this guy.
And yes 20% of the population is liberal with another 20% being ultra conservative.
B-1768549 — Lighten up a little. The spontaneous celebrations were mostly young adults who have lived under the spector of evil personified by OBL. They have watched since 9/11 as OBL gave the slip to our best efforts to bring him to justice. Now our POTUS has shown, you can run but you can't hide forever and justice has finally been metered out to that POS. May he rest forever with the fishes.
Amused, it really doesn't matter that those spontaneous celebrations were mostly young adults who have lived under the spector of evil personified by OBL. When Ted Bundy was executed there were similar spontaneous celebrations mostly by young adults with cans of beer and signs like "Buckle Up For Safety, Ted." It was the death of a human being, however vile, and however much he had earned that death. It was not a celebration of a victory in some high school football game. Executions used to be open to the public and were usually well attended. It's something most of the civilized world has outgrown. If this exuberance is a reflection of American character, it's not a flattering one.
racecarpent - While many Liberals, including myself, have a problem with the death penalty, mostly because of the way it falls most heavily on minorities and indigents. Many people of means, who commit murder can afford the best defense and will not given the death penalty. Understand. In bin Laden's case his guilt wasn't in question and the hand of justice was administered swiftly, we didn't have to sink to his level and torture him to death. Understand.
racarpent
Nice to see so many liberal's now supporting the death penalty...
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As does the liberal Supreme Court.
Why use the word liberals....why not people?
the rightwing teafascist are the 20%ers not the liberals...we liberals believe in keeping america safe, not going into Iraq on lies, not bowing down to a president who had the courts and his brother in florida stop the voting and who never really was ever liked in the first place....
Obama all the way 2012, I voted McCain last time (good man), but voting for (not against any republican) Obama this time. We are going to win, and WIN BIG in 2012 and a victory for a vast liberal majority that truely exists in this nation. The teafascist and the evangelicals be damned. they are the minority and we are not going to let them dictate our domestic and foreign policy anymore!
Glory to our Creator and the best for our childrens future, and for a greater America where we are free, safe, secure, and soveriegn from the enemies within(the rightwing) and the enemies without(the islamic internation jihad in cahoots with the right wing in america)...we will win the war on terrorism, and defeat its very notion some day.
I wonder about the 20% who were against or were indecisive. They must be the complete idiots of this country. I guess every country has them and now we know what the percentage is compared to the rest of the population in the U.S.
But there are some of them here accusing that 20% of being liberals. Stupidity doesn't discriminate against party affiliation.
@ Thomas409 I ask this in the most honest, sincere way I can- have you nothing better to do with yourself?
What's it like to constantly antagonize the other side? I don't care if you are conservative or liberal. Your first comment within this discussion is a tirade against the President and a political frame of mind (liberals). You're American, but no more than me or any of the rest of the group. Why don't you contribute to more productive discussions, and GROW UP!!!
racarpent
"Nice to see so many liberal's now supporting the death penalty. Seems at one point there was never a good reason to take a life. Hypocrits!"
I'm not sure, but I think people that are shot as part of a military operation, and that are 'enemy combatants', are somehow treated differently in an action like this one, vs. one that is a civil action.
But you knew that. You just thought this sounded cute.
Because it usually involves a substantial lack of critical thinking thus equating to an utter lack of intelligence (i.e. stupidity). And Im the furthest thing from fragile - I can take it and dish it out in mega-tons.
Any other questions?
News flash - we were the laughing stock of this world because of stupid, six shooter cowboys like Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld running this country. And the third world country diatribe is baseless as the recent economic meltdown can be directly linked to de-regulation which we all know is in the codex of republican mantra.
The surprise is that only 80% agreed that bin Laden's death was justified.
I wonder how many of the 11% saying it was wrong only did so because Barack Obama ordered the mission.
Interesting commentary by Andy Rooney last evening...There are similarities between both Hitler and Bin Laden...both were responsible for the deaths of a large number of innocent people and followed their own personal aspirations and not that of the greater good....
So my question is to those who feel it was not right for the US to kill Osama Bin Laden, do you feel it was not right to kill Hilter?
thomas409 - it would be nice if you actually contributed anything to any conversation except repeating what others said and then insulting them. Do you not have any ideas or thoughts regarding policy? Why all the insults, you say nothing, you add nothing. Go away.
must not have polled any of the right to life bunch
I can’t really disagree about Bin Laden’s killing as he was most certainly deserving of that fate. However, I sometimes wonder if he were captured and spirited away to one of those CIA run enhanced interrogation places, I’ll wager he would have squealed like a pig.
The only thing surprising in this survey is the 20% who were either not sure or thought we should not take OBL out. What were we supposed to do? Find him and "talk things out"? Give him a hug? Get him alive so we could waste more MILLIONS on prosecutions and prison time? Keep him alive to "turbo charge" al Qaeda unrest and propaganda? It is scary how some people think.
Lots of banter about the 20%- here's the real breakdown:
5% - actual amount of 'GOP teabaggers' as Mike put it, who wish it was Bush who got him instead.
10% - who will never, ever agree with anything Obama does. If you were to believe all the right wing commentators, bloggers and posters to these forums it would be more like 80%.
5% - People who object to killing on moral grounds for any reason.
As for me, I don't like the idea of celebrating anyone's death (although Hitler and OBL do come to mind as qualified for this) but he got what he asked for. The direct threat from OBL was eliminated and the overall risk to American (and the world's) safety has decreased due to his absence.
JSOC Navy SeALs- Fantastically clean operation. Glad they're on our side!
TO: B-1768549 who wrote:
“No one disagrees that he needed to be killed, some of us think that we didn't need the barbaric celebrations of his death…”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Perhaps some folks simply enjoy raining on every parade.
Feel free to morn, if you must.
Drive by obeserver: I think your 100% correct, that is why Gitmo exist and will remain to do exactly what you just said, deal with the enemy, who will all be put through a military court, not a civilian one. Just try to remember your words when you have your "Close Gitmo" t-shirt on.
Entirely too gracious.
FYI, Bin Laden is not dead. He was and always has been a CIA deep undercover black op, and now that his mission is complete - justifying a continual presence in Afghanistan - we simply extracted him so he could retire to a life of luxury. He is mostly likely enjoying a few rounds on the greens in Dubai with Cheney and his Saudi pals as we all celebrate his "death", his only pains being those of recovering from the plastic surgery necessary to keep his identity private.
Hey, person...are you almost out of tin foil and koolaid? I can get it for you...cheap. Just send me your credit card number.
Really assinine that something like this is reduced to the level of taking a ridiculous poll !!!
It's the same 80% who were for invading Iraq. Big Surprise.
It is priceless though to see all the liberals suddenly committed to assassination as a foreign policy strategy.
Had Bush done this, there would be protests in the streets over this assassination.
I applaud our military and our President for a job well done, I am utterly disgusted by the complete lack of morality and the defining of hypocrisy by the loonie left.
Robert Maxwell comparing a small (few hundred) group of Floridians who celebrated outside the Florida prison where Ted Bundy was executed, by drinking beer, and holding signs reading: “This buzz is for you” or "Buckle Up For Safety, Ted." with actual spontaneous celebrations Sunday night after Bin laden was killed is ridiculous! The gross celebrations outside a prison after a long awaited, and clearly scheduled execution was not spontaneous. Contemporaneous newspaper account don’t indicate the celebration outside the prison was made up primarily of young people. However even if the median age was college age, the celebration was not spontaneous, and was encouraged by adults! Days before the execution the Orlando Sentinel reported Lake City Florida Mayor said ''It will be a day of celebration when he dies.” Florida restaurants advertised lunch specials named: ''Bundy Barbecue'' and ''Bundy Burgers and Teddy Fries.'' A Maitland Florida Christian school put ''Burn, Bundy, Burn'' on the schools billboard display!
The crowds celebrating the execution weren’t spontaneous, and regardless of the makeup of those drinking and dancing outside the prison, the idea that an execution was a time for celebration came from adults!
Sunday night young people who grew up viewing Bin Laden as the most dangerous man in the world, who attacked our country, and periodically taunted us with videos, learned he was killed in a daring military mission (not an electric chair). They put down their books and went to be with other young people (and not so young people). Some places the crowds sang patriotic songs, others they chanted, and some drank alcohol, and some did all three. Not only were these event truly spontaneous, they included people of opposing political views (early on a saw several tea party flags outside the WH), they were coming together as one to celebrate the US military, and the death of a man who attacked our country, and took away part of their youth. They were celebrating the execution of a sick serial killer, who spent more than a decade in prison before being executed. If you view the event at OSU, the WH, NYC, and elsewhere as the same as the events outside the Florida prison in January 1989, or no different than a high school football game victory celebration, you really are clue-less!
Yes, Thomas409, I understand that when you ask if we understand what it means when someone "peaks too early" you talk about your erectile dysfunction. But does that have to do with Bin Laden?
Poor 'Doubting' Thomas.....his talking points are weak, his party has no candidates, no Jobs plan, the constituents' rejected the Ryan plan, the birthers have been dismissed and now the GOP has been trumped on National Security by President Obama.
# of Jobs going up, gas price soon to be going down and probably more terrorists soon to be captured or killed on the intel we got by President Obama's decision to raid rather than bomb Osama.
Its a tough month for the Conservatives.....they are just so impotent these days (chuckle)
Obama/Biden 2012
someone please explain how the republicans aregoing to run against the president that killed osama?
Oh, really? So, Obama pulled the trigger? Jackass!
Hurts, don't it, Spider? If Bush had done it, though, Republicans would have been jumping up and down, cheering him on. Hell, they did that when he stood under a "Mission Accomplished" banner after not accomplishing anything.
Wow, 80% of morons don't believe in laws. So when did we decide that it was better to murder an unarmed man than to apprehend and put on trial? If we're just after him, then why do we have all those other people in Gitmo, waiting for a trial? Maybe we should just shoot them too? Jesus just must be crapping his pants to meet you buffons in Heaven.
Maxx-
It's easy- Barry Hussein Obadchebaga's Bin Laden bump poll numbers are due to fade fast as soon as his clueless ineptitude resurfaces- any moment now.
That commie can't keep his true colors hidden for very long.
you're completely off the mark, pmark. Have you ever listened to Obama speak, or do you just repeat what you hear from Beck and Limpbaugh. You guys are not even close and aren't going to get any closer so get used to it. Commie, I can't believe anyone still uses that anymore. You wouldn't know a communist if he hit you in the head.
Thank you President Obama and the US Military for enforcing the law and capturing and killing a murderer.....maybe we can ship the 20% that don't agree with the result to Afghanistan as traitors to fight the real fight as opposed to typing from the comfort of their living rooms....Long live the US Navy Seals and all of our military personel; active, reserve, and veterans for your dedication and service to your country that will be in yours and mine hearts and minds forever....Mission Acomplished with a killl shot and justice is now served. Keep up the good job Obama, you make us proud to serve or have served our country and we're behind you 100% for a job well done. WHOO-AA
Enough agonizing over what is done and past! Its time to find Ayman Al Zawahiri and bag him, and turn him into pork sausage. The lesson learned from Osama Bin Laden is "to find the man, first find his women". In the case of Al Zawahiri, its mostly his daughters . The daughters are Fatima (age 32), Umayma, Nabila (age 25), Khadiga (age 24) and Nawwar. Al Zawahiri is also known to be close to his father. Mohammad Rabie Al Zawahiri and his brother Muhammad Al Zawahiri.
Ayman Al Zawahiri is known to be particularly blood thirsty by the Egyptian people for his attempts to assassinate Egyptian leaders which resulted in the deaths of innocent Egyptians who happened to be killed in these attempts including a very young Egyptian girl.
Ayman Al Zawahiri was also responsible for the deaths of 58 tourists in November 1997 who were touring ancient Egyptian historic sites in Luxor, Egypt. The victims were machine-gunned and hacked to death including a 5-year-old British child and four Japanese couples on their honeymoons.
So, did Obama really throw Osama under the bus? Seriously, I thought Bush was going to pull OBL's frozen body out of his (back pocket) and make a bid for a third term.
Here's hoping the private sector can pull us out of the swirling economic toilet.
The 11% does need their head examined! Seriously did they forget the crazy Saddam show trial? Bin Laden repeatedly said he would not be taken alive, and anyone who thinks it was wrong to not try is living in a fantasy world.
A rather short-sighted dismissal, don't you think?
Yes, there are pacificists in the world but to simply slap the label "crazy" on them is poor form.
Don't get me wrong...the knowledge that all statements about Osama bin Laden as an ongoing concern are now inoperative suits me just fine.
Could not agree more. There are people in America who believe killing in any form and for any reason is wrong. It is simply against their religous beliefs. They are excused from military service as consiencious objectors. Not crazy, and to dismiss them as such is done out of ignorance.
Even though they are usually 'crazy'. ; )
Rob Max - I would have to say that while your statement is true, exuberance over a death isn't flattering, it is part of the human condition, a worldwide one. Evolution works slowly, education more swiftly, but really, focusing on a short lived phenomenon is wasted energy, there are more pressing problems that need to be dealt with. Face it, we are fallible human beings, the POTUS hasn't release photos or had OBL's body dragged through the streets for the entertain of the populace. Move on.
My guess is that many of the 11% were birthers, who oppose anything done by an Administration headed by an African American.
The rest probably believe that killing is always wrong.
The important thing is that bin Laden is now dead, and can no longer kill innocent people. Lives have been saved.
B-1768549
No one disagrees that he needed to be killed, some of us think that we didn't need the barbaric celebrations of his death. Makes us no better than him.
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It's the word barbaric that really sets me off. You don't think that the celebrations were spontaneous outbursts of patriotism over the death of the man who planned the 911 attack and killed over 3,000 innocent people. Having lived for over 10 years in fear of another terror attack, you think blowing off steam and celebrating an American victory is barbaric. Seriously, if we replaced the name Bin Laden with Hitler would you feel the same.
They waved America flags and cheered USA. They didn't drag his body through the streets, we didn't show photos and he was buried in Islamic tradition. Way more than he deseerved.
I doubt the full 11% would be birthers, Tea Partiers, anti-Obamites, etc. Unfortunately the majority of that 11% are very liberal politically, but don't live in the real world. They think Kucinich represents common sense reality.
A recent Cedar Rapids Gazette article asked several local residents their reaction to Bin Laden’s death. A Community College philosophy professor, who considers herself a secular humanist, felt "aversion to the method" of death. A Priest said He found "no reason to rejoice over his death" but did admit "there is a certain part of me that is satisfied with knowing he is no longer in the picture.” A Middle School teacher discussed it in class and by the end of class the student's concluded killing Bin Laden “was solely an act of revenge.” The head of Buddhist Zen Center didn't deny Bin Laden was an evil man, but didn't see how his death made the world a safer place. She was also critical of the manner of his death. Stating: "he's died in such a violent and brutal way" which she compared to ancient England's impaling people's heads "on spikes in front of the palace. It just doesn't seem appropriate.” The one quote I didn't think WTF came from a college student who quoted Andrew Sullivan to express his feelings: “Not joy at vengeance, nor joy at death. Just joy at justice.”
Out of the mouth of babes! I don't think the 11% actually need mental health evaluations, but those who believe it was wrong to go after him, or wish he would have been tried in a court, are not realistic, and see the world as they want it to be, not as it is!
Congratulations NBC! Thunderous applause for another useless and assinine poll held by none other than YOU!
I'm not one of those that believe that all life is sacred. There are evil people in this world that do horrific things and when we catch them we execuute them. It's called capital punishment. Bin Laden fallls in that category as did Hitler and all the monsters of the past...and some of the present. An admitted killer was executed. I have no qualms with that.
I agree, we should execute admitted killers, which is why we should execute Bush and the leaders of Israel as well. And then we should execute ourselves, so as not to be hypocrites.
LOL. Your last sentence. Although I totally disagree with your first sentence. Just wanted to make that clear.
AMEN.....
OBL is alive and well and in a CIA or military interrogation secret location...
...In a bunker at the foot of a volcano on mars back in 1974.
patHuntingtonNY...
Have you met or talked to Paul-977599
Along with Elvis, DB cooper, Amelia Earnhardt, and Waldo!
That's a good one Ira.
Was it the same bunker where they filmed the moon landing?
Amelia EARhart. Dale EARNhardt.
But hey, they are both probably in there....
My bad DBO, trusted spellchecker, you are right it is Amelia Earhart. They still can't catch Dale he is too fast.
I don't want to overlook the most import thing mentioned by Forrest above, that apparently our government has WALDO!!!!!!! No wonder I can't find him!!!!!!
You live in a fantasy world, his wife and daughter saw him shot. Just because you can't see the pictures of him laying in a pool of blood, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Pat NY - So glad to hear about this! Maybe, he knows where Saddam's weapons of mass distraction are. Also, he might shed some light as to where Dumbiyah's undisclosed bunker is, so Interpol can be tipped off to extract him dead or alive.LOL
Dang, you beat me to it, but I painted a more vivid picture. You might enjoy reading it above. ;)
The end of Bin Laden is the start of a new life/outlook for the USA and world. He would not have stopped with just us; he would have tried to conquer the entire world. So if it had not been the USA killing him, another country would have taken care of it. The devil in hell looks like an angel compared to him.And the last reasons its justified is that it serves as a reminder to the rest of his group.."don't mess with the USA"..!!!!!!
My hat goes off to Obama for the guts to pull the trigger(GIVE THE ORDER).
I don't want to be anywhere near the 11% thinking it was wrong or the 9% that does not know. Something seriously wrong with those folks if they think removing evil from this world is a bad thing.
Do you really think that 11% thinks we shouldn't have done anything about bin Laden?
Kyle, you seem to be misreading the data. Eleven percent thought it was wrong to kill him vs. bringing him in alive. Most of the other 9% can't make up their minds which outcome they'd have preferred. After all, he would have been more useful to us alive than one of the martyred dead.
Absolutely no one seems to justify your interpretation that either group believes that "removing evil from this world is a bad thing."
We didn't kill Hitler. He committed suicide. All these percentages ! Remember, they are constantly in flux, changing with whatever the latest news story is in vogue.
No, I don't celebrate death. I do feel pretty good that Ben Laden is gone.
A very good point was made about capital punishment. Once I was for it but now, too many people have been proven innocent with DNA testing. The court system shouldn't be used to just randomly kill people. Well, poor people maybe but even that might be wrong.
I'm a Christian and I'm wrong. I'm supposed to leave judgement up to God. Very often I don't. Am I a hypocrite ? Not really, I just have the same feelings and problems everyone else has. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Would Jesus have killed him ? No. Me ? Hell yes and that would put me in a position of rebellion. I do that from time to time. What can I say ?
Look at it this way maybe, it is God's place to judge, we just made the introduction.
11% may be the only religious people actually practicing their religion and not just wearing it like a badge. I, however, am in the 80%.
Derek, Your comments about the 11% is true, we are practicing what we preach. Death of any human by the human hand is wrong. PEACE!
God never intended us to be Slaves to Evil. Almost every Saint of old, got there by killing Evil. Also it's "Thou shalt not Murder" not kill, bad translation, perhaps on purpose by pacifists. The difference is intent. A criminal murders for bad intent (money,sex,power, Etc.) A Soldier or Police Officer Kills to Protect the innocent citizens.
Also, if you want peace, ironically, you have to fight for it, or it will surely be taken from you.
fire, there's a great difference between God and Jesus, Jesus is who we follow. Do you think Jesus would have killed Bin Laden?
He did kick some butt on the Money changers!
fire, He didn't kick butt, he destroyed the Temple.
And here I thought they were one and the same. That whole "Holy Trinity" thing, where there's only one god, but three bodies (or something to that effect).
fire them all ...its not thou shalt not murder ...it is thou shalt not kill ... the murder part has just surfaced in the last 5 years by televangelists to excuse the military there was no such thing as a pacifist when the bible was translated
SHAWN-1387469 - fire, He didn't kick butt, he destroyed the Temple.
Where I come from, that's kickin' butt!
Well at least he didn't harm anyone in the process.
timewonttell - fire them all ...its not thou shalt not murder ...it is thou shalt not kill ... the murder part has just surfaced in the last 5 years by televangelists to excuse the military there was no such thing as a pacifist when the bible was translated
How long ago did they find the Dead Sea scrolls? Biblical Study is an ongoing process.
Not long ago I found out my (Catholic) Church had heavily edited the Bible for political reasons, including redacting entire books, long before Martin Luther, which means we are all using edited bibles. This teaches us that nothing is written in stone, there are no "No Brainers" and biblical study is not in the palm of our hands but must be searched out and it is in the searching that true faith is found. By the way, that's why it's called faith not fact. Faith - Believing in the absence of proof.
I am an evangelical (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod)and I believe there is no difference between God and Jesus! They are the same. Jesus is God incarnate, that is why the miracle is called the Incarnation.
If you search "Triune God" you can find countless articles describing the miracles of the Incarnation. Some Christ followers believe that God and Jesus are different. This was the great controversy of the Early Church. While I know what I believe I think the most important thing is to try and live life as Christ did.
Far more than 11% of Christ followers try to live their life as Christ did. They just do it imperfectly. Jesus' death on the cross atones for their sin and by grace, they are granted salvation. Accept His gift of love today.
John 3:16-17
Years ago, I was listening to an NPR radio show hosted by Ira Glass. He was going through the ten commandments one commandment at a time. He had a panel discuss each one, and the commandment Thou shalt not kill was really Thou shalt not commit murder outside of the womb according to one of his panelists.
This was almost 15 years ago and I haven't heard that particular translation of that commandment since. And I do not remember who the panelist was. Damn!
The difference between God and Jesus: With God it is Damnation and with Jesus it is forgiveness.
And why would they do that he has nothing to offer anyone. You people that still believe the moon is made of green cheese are a joke.
Who is in the 20%???
The Neo-cons, and the executives at Blackwater, and Haliburton.
HAHA, really Forrest or are you joking?
I am only half joking they make a lot of money off of "The Global War on Terror" This was like "killing a brand" for some of them.
I just want to it make clear that I am not saying they support OBL in any way, only that it was a premature "killing of a brand" there was still money to be made by billing Uncle Sam for security and whatever else those invoices for billions of dollars cover.
I would fall under that 20%. I never said he didn't deserve to die, I stated above that as an American we should uphold the rule of law. We should have extracted him and tried him, then killed him if he was found guilty. But instead we are murderers, no different that Bin Laden, himself. I smell what America has stepped in.
I would say that the question is phrased incorrectly. I think OBL cheated the hangman with such a quick death. It reminds me of when Hermann Goering swallowed a cyanide pill after he had gotten the death sentence from the Nuremberg war crimes tribunal. OBL was lucky to have escaped Guantanomo.
Gene: Sure. We should bring him to NY and put him on trial. That's NY Gene because Obama has will not allow any new terrorists to go to Guantanamo. Then potentially incarcerate him for 20-yrs or so. No drama here. No cost. Won't make him a martyr, no of course not. Cheated the hangman, what a joke. He would die of natural causes in prison before his appeals ever ran out.
Im sick of bin laden and sick of the polls they keep running to make news and Im not voting for obama if thats what they after. But I am glad bin laden is dead and gone.
Joe. Did you ever get sick of the birther polls?
Joe, better get ready for the "deather" polls.
Wasn't this a no brainer?? Now what about the drug cartels and dealers?
I am not a great believer in polls, but this one was easy to predict.
Osama ordered the deaths of thousands. President Obama if I am not mistaken gave the Seal Team a choice. If he surrenders take him alive, if he resists or shows aggression then kill him. I believe the President made the right call and so did the Seal Team.
They could have tazed him and taken him alive.
trying to capture OBL would have made the mission riskier. Obama thought team 6 was already risking enough without making the mission even more complicated with multiple branching 'what if'? scenarios, given the short time period they had in which to act before the Pakistanis figured out what was going down.
Yeah Shawn and I can imagine what you would have said "Obama didn't want to kill his Muslim brother" RIGHT I have read your slanted, anti-Obama rants......
gpotts, Then go read my Post # 7.2 and 7.4. You are wrong I'm not anti-Obama. I'm anti-party system. Both sides of our government got us into the mess we're in.
Don't taze me bro!
my mistake SHAWN
I still say it would have been better to capture him, try him, and then execute him. If he wouldn't go peacefully then thats another matter. But we as Americans believe in a code of justice where people accused of a crime (even tremendous crimes) get a fair trial before we impose sentence. I am sure there are plenty of pediophiles out here we would rather not waste the money on a trial for. I am sure it puts the victims and their families through tremendous stress to have a trial. Nonetheless we need to stick to our principles. I for one, hope our Seal heroes had no other choice but to take him out.
David: Sure. We should bring him to NY and put him on trial. That's NY Gene because Obama will not allow any new terrorists to go to Guantanamo. Then potentially incarcerate him for 20-yrs or so. No drama here. No cost. Won't make him a martyr, no of course not. Cheated the hangman, what a joke. He would die of natural causes in prison before his appeals ever ran out.
So do you really consider bin Laden people? He ordered the killing of innocent civilians NOT military personnel who can at least defend themselves. AND why give this piece of crap the stage that a long drawn out trial would have given him to spew his hatred. And what if he lucked out by getting 12 bleeding hearts on the jury that would acquit him. He got what he deserved.
SEAL teams are not law enforcement. If you wanted bin Laden to have due process, the FBI should've been sent in. SEALs kill people. That's what they do. Mission accomplished.
David - yeah, it's true, there are a lot of people that would rather see pedophiles go down like OBL. However, incarcerating a pedophile doesn't rally a bunch of other pedophiles to commit crimes in his name. When arresting a pedophile, officers wouldn't be nearly as concerned about that person having weapons, security, bombs, whatever. And I think most of us know that the pedophile is going to be "taken care of" in prison, and will suffer a bunch. Now, if Gitmo is like it was in Harold and Kumar, a daily visit from Big Bob would be appropriate for OBL. But that's not the way it is. Or is it? Regardless, they did the right thing. Now it's time to move forward and get these other senior leaders.
Micon - Sounds like a good case for reforming the Appelate system. Its a shame anyone on death row gets as long as they do to appeal their case. Give our judiciary some more resources, and maybe we can speed these things along for everyone, not just OBL.
Avg Joe - I feel your frustration, but its too easy to let US virtues of law and justice go out the window becuase sometimes its inconvenient. There is a price to pay for "liberty and justice for all" - it means we have to extend it to people who don't deserve it.
John Diego - Don't know enough about the Seals. Do they ever take prisoners? Wouldn't they be sent in with specific rules of engagement?
Really? Seriously? - I agree - this is now history, and we do have to move onto the next batch of terrorist out there. However, we need to have a look at history, and learn the lessons it has to teach us.
Yeah, David, and why don't we just go ahead and use all your precious tax dollars to pay for all that. You obviously don't understand anything...other than what the talking heads on FOX News TELL you to think....genius!
Yes, I'm glad he's dead. However, it appears to me that he could have been taken alive. While I believe that it was morally correct to kill him, as well as more convenient and less expensive, there is a difference between morality and legality. I wish this was more clear cut, like OBL had pulled a weapon to legitimize his assassination. I only hope this doesn't come back to haunt us.
David................. bin Laden was not an american citizen.
doug1834 - I am definitely not a pro-FoxNews guys, nor a bleeding liberal. I would like to think I am principled, and independent. If you are unwilling to use taxpayer money for the an OBL trial, why would you use for a pedophile, or for anyone we think is really, really guilty. Why go through the hassle and expense? Because our form of government respects individual rights, and, although not perfect, is the best damn government in the world. I am saying to respect that which makes our Country great. How is that unpatriotic or unthoughtful? One question for you - do you think that the Nuremberg trials were a waste of money? Those SOB Nazis were probably even worse than OBL and at least they got some kind of trial.
BREWSTER-753201 - It very well might. The World looks to us for moral guidance and the courage of our convictions, and not just military might. We might win the battle with the latter, but we won't win the war unless we can change hearts and minds.
Avg Joe-182-350 - Just one thing - I guess I always thought that we were created with inalienable rights, and that our constitution was there to preserve them, and that our country was supposed to be a beacon to other nations to follow in our footsteps. Finally - if you went to Canada for a visit and got accussed of a robbery you would think you would get a fair Canadian trial, and not get snatched up by Canadian Seals and hoisted off to prison to rot only becuase you were not citizens. Fact is we give foreigners who commit crimes in the US fair trials. Even Noriega got one.
"Heroism" has become very cheap these days. Those Seals either obeyed an unlawful order or were incompetent. Forty against four, one armed, where is the heroism? There was no justice here just revenge, if that is what you like, you have become a foolish and ignorant people.
I agree. At least 80% of Americans are as smart as Pres Obama.
NO WAY Their aren't 80 people on the right as smart as obama these days, much less 80%...
So, no trials neede in America now? Yea lynching! String em up!
Hey Ho Fat: You are right. Now that we have killed Osama there will be no trials in America. Moron.
Hey! Fat Ho,
I'm not sure I understand you last comment..........
In other, breaking news, 80% of people believe that water is wet.
hey no joe,
Yea, making a decision that 80% of the people ending up agreeing with must have been really tough.
But, of course that is what is on the surface.
Funny timing ...... The big guy changes at the CIA and DOD, the mysterious American "contractor" that was being held by Pakistan, the Taliban talks with Karzai, report of Pakistan telling Karzai to split with Obama ........ knowing about it for 9 MONTHS (doesn't take that long to plan this), the watch house ...... all the "we don't have a clue" about how much we don't know about what we don't know.
Add that to the post mission bumbling (thanks for that link - btw) and remembering how incompetent this group is ..... I get a feeling you ain't buying everything.
Me either.
Hey, resident poll dancer - you know who you are....the sad part of your comment is that 20% of people (perhaps you know that 20%?) don't believe water is wet. How sad!
Cathy,
Yea, we know that 20%. We talk to them every day.
They are the ones trying to recall if Obama ever took a position on it and what his right answer is.
Nice talking to ya.
That's what I call one he!! of a juxtaposition, Bob!
I would be interested to see how this same sample group would answer a question about Capital Punishment in our country. I highly doubt you would find the two groups to be congruous.
It's ok to go into another sovereign nation and kill a murderer without trial, but we still have a problem killing murderers in our own country who have been given trials and convicted by a jury of their peers.
Makes you wonder how you can reconcile the two beliefs. Of course, I'm all for both of them, so I can't really shed light on that answer.
Interesting observation. How someone who is against the death penalty could be for killing OBL is an enigma to me. Goes to show you that ethics comes with lots of exceptions and is quite a slippery slope for a lot of people.
Great job to the Navy Seals, the intelligence community, and the President for acting on the information he had.
Look at it this way: the Seals team was the jury and it is up to the jury to decide which form of punishment is most appropriate given the crimes committed. The Seals felt that death was the proper penalty and I have no problem with their determination. FYI, I am a libral Independent.
I personally have no problem with the SEAl's being Judge/Jury/Executioner. I would have been ok with OBL putting his hands up and surrendering and still getting popped.
But the question remains, if you believe they are qualified to make that decision, what makes a jury unqualified to make that decision?
Of course, I don't know what your personal beliefs are as to Capital Punishment, so you might not be the best person to ask. Being an independent, even if a left leaning one, you may still be for the death penalty in criminal cases.
the issue is that most people who are tried and given the death penalty have not killed 3,000 innocent people. Also the people most likely tp be killed due to the death penalty are minorities and the poor. The reason a lot of people are against the death penelty is not necessarily the death part, but the unfair likelihood of who will be killed. I'm torn about the death penelty, while I feel it is hypocritical to kill someone for killing another, I also understand that since we are humane enough to not torture people, there has to be an ultimate punishment. But all in all the world is a better place now that he is gone.
Dragon Queen, the number of people you kill matters?
What if that one person who was killed was your relative or loved one? Are they less important than 3,000 strangers who share the same country as you? If it is the amount that matters, then who is righteous enough to draw the line?
You say minorities and the poor are most likely to be killed due to the death penalty. I say that people most likely to be killed due to the death penalty are those who commit a crime that warrants it. Poverty may excuse a crime such as stealing a loaf of bread, but it does not excuse murder.
I do agree that there are people who have been executed who were innocent, but the problem to fix in that is the process that led to their conviction, not the result of their conviction.
The difference is this-There was no doubt that Bin Laden was responsible for many deaths-this from his own mouth.
The problem I have with the death penalty is that so many have been wrongly convicted, and this continues to happen in the present, and will continue to happen. Mistaken witnesses, mistaken identities, lying witnesses, corrupt prosecution, corrupt police, etc. etc. And it gets worse as the moral character of the United States degrades.
A recent poll showed that 80% of Americans agree that it was right to kill Osama Bin Laden, while a concurrent poll showed that 20% of Americans are pathetic morons.
No Mike, the morons have it by 80%. Killing is evil, some times a necessary evil but it is never right or good nor should we rejoice in it.
You're calling MIT professor Noam Chomsky a pathetic moron? I would think that most Americans believe that it is wrong for one country to target someone for assassination. Now this may not be an assassination but just death in combat but unfortunately Obama had a campaign promise to kill bin Laden. Not to bring him to justice but to kill him. That idea should scare some people.
there is no way you can answer this poll, unless you were there in the compound. What if OBL threw his arms up and yelled, "I surrender" as the team entered the room. Were any of you there that morning? If this was the case, then should he have been taken alive? If you do not agree with this then you should have no problem with waterboarding.
Sure. And if a Penguin packed a .45 he could but&*ck a polar bear.
Penguin - I leave it up to the ones who were in the room with OBL, in other words "Mission Accomplished". Waterboarding is a barbaric practice inflicted on prisoners in controlled and safe confines(i.e. prisons or detention centers). How anyone could believe this is allowable is a mystery to me, then again I must assume those who do, would be all in for lynch mob parties and such. The two situation aren't even comparable.
uh, yea they are. Read the Geneva Conventions.
penguin - Where in the Geneva Convention does it say water boarding is A OK, to the contrary this means of intelligence gathering is not A OK. Okey dokey! Maybe you just choose to ignore that passage.
Headlines we'd like to see: (sorry, Mad Magazine)
OBL.
May, 2, 2011.
The job-killing assasination of one of the world's truly despicable bad gys.
DBO--No doubt, the killing of OBL will probably hurt the future profits of Haliburton and the like.
It's funny how the religious minority in this country have a problem with the death of a mass murdered like Osama Bin Laden. Probably they would have prayed over Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin. Now if Osama had been an abortion doctor or had been running a clinic, then that would be different. They have no problems with the murders of abortion doctors.
so why is waterboarding KSM forbidden and a mistake, but its ok to assasinate bin laden?
don't worry I know you can't answer...it would take intelligence.
Waterboarding is torture of people sometimes not even charged with a crime.
Killing OBL is JUSTICE served.
First of all, where did you get the idea that a religious minority objects to the killing? I'm guessing that you've got a chip on your shoulder regarding Christians, so you decide to assume some attitude about them.
Got to say-Perhaps if more people HAD prayed for those others, Hitler, Mussolini, etc., they might have changed their evil ways.
Regarding abortion-so you support the tearing apart (via suction) or cutting apart of babies in utero? Actually, Hitler and Mussolini killed less people than have been aborted. What's the difference between abortion and massacres? You can't hear the babies scream.
Look, i am an independent but i agree on many issues with liberals. Honestly, DO WE HAVE ANY CLEAR EVIDENCE that Bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attack?
NONE whatsoever. The reason they killed him, (if they really did kill him) is to burry any truth left about the 9/11 attack with him deep in the ocean.
If Bin Laden is a mass murderer, then Bush and Obama would be far far worse, since they killed HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF people between Iraq and Afghanistan.
The US gov is the most notorious TERRORIST organization on the planet. But you already know that.
siryes-3303290
You are correct, siryes. About the only evidence that people have linking bin Laden to 9/11 is a possibly CIA-produced video showing a stout fellow who is supposed to be the always thin bin Laden. The FBI, which is certainly aware of the video, says that it has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11; and bin Laden, while acknowledging attacking the USS Cole, denied doing 9/11. Taking bin Laden to trial, only to have him acquitted because of a lack of evidence would have been so huge an embarrassment to the Obama administration that the easiest and most politically advantageous route was to murder him on the spot.
Actually, the administration, in addition to looking for bin Laden, should have also been investigating why Bush tried to prevent any investigation of 9/11, classified evidence to keep it from investigators and refused to testify under oath even in private. Several 9/11 Commission members, complaining about repeated lying by administration officials, called the entire investigation a cover-up, and called for further investigation; but "looking forward" Obama wasn't about to do that--he'd risk losing GOP support for his agenda (which he wasn't going to get anyway).
Now a prominent US general has emerged who is prepared to testify before a grand jury that Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams and Condoleezza Rice were directly involved in the 9/11 stand down and false flag operation for the purpose of mobilizing the American public under false pretenses (google "Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik: 9/11 Was an Inside Job").
Remember people, the government that lied to you about Tonkin Gulf, WMD in Iraq, Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch is also capable of lying to you about 9/11 as well.
Hopefully we will have an investigation into when we received intelligence about the location of bin Laden. After Bush was heavily criticized for going into Iraq without any unquestioned evidence of Al-qaeda or WMDs there I wonder why Obama escalated Afghanistan when bin Laden was not there. 499 Americans died in Afghanistan last year, the highest total of the 10 year war. March and April, 2011 were also the highest American death totals for any March and April. If Obama escalated the war to get bin Laden, and he knew for 2 months or 6 months or whatever, that bin Laden was in Pakistan, he has some serious explaining todo.
Yeah Patrick Salt Lake City and birthers to but im glad Mr Trump made obama show his bc to...arent you ?
The only reason that I'm glad Trump took the birthers' path to nowhere is because it made Trump look like a complete fool. Since then, Trump has made 1,000 times more enemies than he made friends, the only new friends Trump has are a few more psychos.
Kill him now hang him later. We saved all the grief in between.