Abortion, back to center stage in the House

Abortion is back -- again -- as a central issue for the Republican-controlled U.S. House.

The House is considering H.R. 3, the “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act,” NBC’s Luke Russert reports. The bill would do the following:

"No Taxpayer Funding For Abortion Act -- which expands the ban on federal subsidies for abortion to prohibit government subsidization of health plans that cover abortion services and prevent the use of tax breaks to help underwrite abortion costs. It would also prohibit any federal health care facility -- including those in the District of Columbia -- and any doctor paid by the federal government from providing abortion services."

It is expected to pass the House later today in the afternoon. But it likely has no chance of passing the Senate and becoming law, since Democrats control the Upper Chamber. However, during negotiations on another bill -- budget, debt limit etc. – Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) could demand and up-or-down vote on the bill.

“I say with true regret and sadness that President Obama has been, sadly, the abortion president,” claimed Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) during debate on the House floor, NBC’s Shawna Thomas reports. He added, "ObamaCare for example, where there was an opportunity under the Stupak-Pitts amendment to take abortion completely out of his healthcare reform package did not and now one of the things that this legislation will do is to ensure that whether it be the community health centers or the exchanges or the high risk pools which have the very thing veneer of an executive order which is not binding... would ensure that there's no taxpayer funding for abortion in any of those instances either."

Yet, as NBC’s Mark Murray reported in March 2010, even before the final legislation passed:

From pages 2,071-2,072 of the health-care bill: "If a qualified health plan provides coverage of services described in paragraph (1)(B)(i)" -- i.e., abortion -- "the issuer of the plan shall not use any amount attributable to [health reform's government-funding mechanisms] for purposes of paying for such services. …

What's more, the Senate bill explicitly ensures that Americans who receive federal subsidies under the reform plan must pay separately for abortion coverage. Here's pages 2,074-2,075: "In the case of a plan to which sub paragraph (A) applies, the issuer of the plan shall collect from each enrollee in the plan (without regard to the enrollee's age, sex, or family status) a separate payment" that "may not estimate such a cost at less than $1 per enrollee, per month."

Here's the kicker: Under the Senate bill, due to Nelson's changes, states can choose NOT to offer abortion coverage in the health exchange. Page 2,069: "A State may elect to prohibit abortion coverage in qualified health plans offered through an Exchange in such State is such State enacts a law to provide for such prohibition." And those states that do not prohibit abortion coverage must provide a choice of health plans on the exchange that include abortion coverage and don't include abortion.

Furthermore, the president signed an executive order on March 24, 2010 -- after he signed the legislation into law -- that stated the following:

Section. 1. Policy. Following the recent enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the "Act"), it is necessary to establish an adequate enforcement mechanism to ensure that Federal funds are not used for abortion services (except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered), consistent with a longstanding Federal statutory restriction that is commonly known as the Hyde Amendment. The purpose of this order is to establish a comprehensive, Government-wide set of policies and procedures to achieve this goal and to make certain that all relevant actors -- Federal officials, State officials (including insurance regulators) and health care providers -- are aware of their responsibilities, new and old.

It’s also not clear if there is any actual data Smith uses to back up his claim that President Obama is “the abortion president.” The Centers for Disease Control and the Guttmacher Institute (which also tracks abortions) do not have any more recent information on the number of abortions in the United States than 2007 and 2008, respectively.

*** UPDATE *** The White House issued a veto threat on H.R. 3.

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“I say with true regret and sadness that President Obama has been, sadly, the abortion president,” claimed Rep. Chris Smith (R-NJ) during debate on the House floor, NBC’s Shawna Thomas reports.

BS. Bogus. And he knows it.

More made up stuff from those who can't deal with reality.

  • 19 votes
Reply#1 - Wed May 4, 2011 2:52 PM EDT

I don't know...President Obama aborted any more plans Bin Laden had....

  • 19 votes
#1.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:20 PM EDT

Here we go again, these idealogical neanderthals are truly hypocritcal idiots. More waste of the taxpayers money.

They have been away for two weeks, most of them on junkets all around the world at our expense, and this is the best they can do. No plan for jobs, no plan that will help the country move forward, nothing. Enough! Fire every go**amn one of them.

  • 18 votes
#1.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT

from trump birtherism now this. good job.

can't help but laugh. anyway this is good for O's reelection. teabaggers, the albatross that will sink you all.

  • 12 votes
#1.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT

"It’s also not clear if there is any actual data Smith uses to back up his claim that President Obama is “the abortion president.”

You know there is no such data, actual or otherwise. Smith just like the other GOP/TP/Birthers just likes throwing verbal bombs, to get the low-informed base fired up!

...his statement is not intended to be factual!

  • 15 votes
#1.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT

the jobs are coming, right?

  • 11 votes
#1.5 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:48 PM EDT

If the anti abortion people would put there money where there mouth is there would be no abortion in the united states ... just step up and say you will help the mother with prenatal care ..doctor bills ... hospital bills ... then take that unwanted child into there home when it is born as raise it the same as they would raise there own ... BUT the anti abortion crowd would rather have the child born into poverty and abuse then scorn the mother and call her names

  • 6 votes
#1.6 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:58 PM EDT

Can't they see that they need to stay out of women's Health decisions. But, hey. maybe we should cut out ANY payment from ANY health care provider of ANY kind Erectile Dysfunction medications. NONE. ZILCH. NADA.

If you can't have sex, LIVE WITH IT! IF God had intended YOU to have sex into your golden years He would have MADE IT SO for you. Since he didn't you must not be allowed to get treatment since you MUST have brought this malady onto yourself and you should embrace your punishment.

CONTROL, CONFUSE AND CONDEMN! Goals not worthy of our great country.

GOD BLESS AMERICA and Her President!

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:09 PM EDT

Is anyone but me tired of the abortion, tax cuts for the rich, cutting SS and Medicare and thelies that they tell? Faux, Trump, Rove and the rest of the American Taliban these hypocritical drones are ruining this country.

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Thu May 5, 2011 9:04 AM EDT
Reply

Wow! They are on a roll, they got no shot at the presidency, now they might give the house back to democrats. Right now abortion is the first thing on the list of last things to worry about. What happened to the economy, did 11 million people go back to work today and I didn't even notice?

  • 28 votes
#2 - Wed May 4, 2011 2:59 PM EDT

I could of sworn Forrest, that earlier over under First Thoughts - weren't the usual right wing nit wits claiming this is about 'kitchen table' issues? lol

They were swept in, in 2010 and will be swept right back OUT in 2012!

  • 26 votes
#2.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT

Sadly, Feisty, it probably WILL be a "kitchen table" issue if legislation along these lines passes.

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#2.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:15 PM EDT

Well, Feisty, if this crap could get further than the veto pen, it would be abortions on kitchen tables again; so, I guess line of thinking says it all.

Not only Obama 2012; but Speak Pelosi Redux along with Leader Reid. And a Capital "L" for Loser to the GOP and teabaggers; as we say in Polish: Stolat (transliteration, translating to "100 Years").

  • 13 votes
#2.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT

Wow, good one Anna Molly! The right wing, taliban lite policies against women continue. Why are we fighting the taliban, when it is clear that the Republican/"teabaggers aspire to be just like them ? What's coming next, restrictions on how girls are educated?

  • 17 votes
#2.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT

Good points all!

Guess I'm too young to remember this ever being a kitchen table issue! (thankfully)

I cannot believe that we're even talking about this in the year 2011!

Stolat (transliteration, translating to "100 Years").

I LIKE the sound of that!

I'll take another beer if you have one handy! ;o) *popcorns* almost finished!

  • 11 votes
#2.5 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT

Feisty, I've got a special "Sammie" Ap for that, pouring a nice tall cold one...

  • 6 votes
#2.6 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT

Here we go again. The attack on Women's Reproductive Rights did not work the first time so they go after it again. I guess they have given up on JOBS, the Economy and Education. They can't use the Birther meme, President Obama took away their failed leadership meme, the Ryan Bill is as dead as OBL, and they are back to having nothing.

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#2.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT

The same thing was said about Bush Sr., about Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, etc.....none of them had a shot at the presidency according to the know it all's.

The Democrats will never be able to grab enough house seats back, it is a task to tall. That Republican takeover was historical in sheer numbers. Democrats are going to have enough trouble just maintaining the Senate. There are only a few Republicans up for re-election and about 23 Democrats in a re-districting year. Remember Republicans gained most of the state legislatures to which draw the lines.

It may not be a kitchen table issue with you , but you are not the entire America. I could care less about it but it is important to a lot of people. When you control the legislature, you control the agenda and more than likely Republicans will do things Dems dislike and vice versa.

Elections have consequences.....remember?????? You don't like it, do what you Liberals do best, whine and complain, start a petition drive to recall every states legislatures, better yet go sit on your arse in all of the capitals..........you Liberals seem to have a lot of time on your hands for this type of nonsense.

  • 4 votes
#2.8 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:26 PM EDT

When you look at all the real issues (problems) facing America, a repeat of the abortion law does not make the top 10 list. This bill is going no where. What it does do is reveal those tea partiers who voted against medicare, and now against women's right. It won't take long untill all of the GOP/TPers will avoid having town hall meetings.

  • 14 votes
#2.9 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

Feisty, I've got a special "Sammie" Ap for that, pouring a nice tall cold one...

*glug - glug - glug*

Ahhhh!

Thanks! ;o)

  • 5 votes
#2.10 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

ITM.........watch us take back and then some more. Then you can crawl back in your hole. What makes you guys so sure you are right (pardon the pun) look it up if you dont know.

  • 6 votes
#2.11 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT

Elections have consequences.....remember?????? You don't like it, do what you Liberals do best, whine and complain, start a petition drive to recall every states legislatures, better yet go sit on your arse in all of the capitals..........

...which is a thing altogether more distinctly American and patriotic - whatever your political view - than sitting around bitching on a newsblog.

Do I agree with the aim of every rally, protest and sit-in throughout the history of the nation? Of course not. But the ability and right to do so is one of those things that differentiates us from so many other political traditions in the world. I may not always agree, but I respect the rights of my fellow citizens to make their opinions known.

There is nothing more un-American than seeking to silence the voice of your opposition.

  • 8 votes
#2.12 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:33 PM EDT

Abortion is legal!

Torture is illegal!

  • 9 votes
#2.13 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:35 PM EDT

Exodite:

I don't prefer to silence anyone. I said they are the party with all of this free time to do all of that nonsence.

Seeking to silence oppostion?????? What do you think Obama and the Liberals would like to do to Trump and anyone else that oppose Obama's policies or frankly just dislike him. This is definately America and you are free to dislike anyone that you wish to. 30% is going to dislike a POTUS irregardless of policies. I'm quite sure it was the same % that just plainly disliked Bush and will dislike any Republican POTUS.

  • 2 votes
#2.14 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT

if you think about it , thare are alot of similarities between the taliban and the tealiban.

  • 6 votes
#2.15 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:54 PM EDT

Chilled: succinct and to the point. I like that. Can't be clearer than that!!!

  • 1 vote
#2.16 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT

IntheMiddle - a misnomer,if you are refering to your politics. You are evidently far right of the middle. Anyway, I don't believe Obama in particular has said or done anything to "silence" anyone. That would be the Bush/cheney 8 year debaucle, when we were told not to question the actions of the Administration, and those who did criticize were considered traitors. Obama allows us to rise above the nonsense as he does. I would like Trump to shut up, simply because he is appealing to the idiot-base, and he is really annoying. He is stirring up the simpletons, and he knows exactly what to say to get the far-righties all lathered up.

And, as we who truly are in the center and maybe a bit left already understand, the GOP is a sinking ship and all the micies are scattering to try and regroup. Thinking Americans recognize the attempt to usurp Democracy and the Republicans will be defeated. If the House doesn't swing back, it will come close, and the Senate will most certainly remain controlled by the Democrats. The shennanigans inflicted upon us by the Right are backfiring. Pay closer attention to Wisconsin over the next few months... maybe take a look at Ohio while you are at it.

  • 10 votes
#2.17 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:30 PM EDT

Yeaaaaa and that's a slamp DUNK!!

  • 2 votes
#2.18 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:40 PM EDT

Magnificent:

You sound like a damn fool. You don't have any idea how I vote. You don't know anything about me to make an assumption. Matter of fact this is the first time I have ever seen that screename.

I lived in the middle of Texas once. I also am a registered INDEPENDENT. I am a Bernie Sanders. If he can call himself an Independent; anyone can

Frankly I could care less about what is going on in Wisc or Ohio. I live in district 22 in Texas. They can act a fool all they want in those states, it has no bearing on district 22 in Texas.

    #2.19 - Wed May 4, 2011 7:22 PM EDT

    I told a republican the only thing sadder than a homeless woman is a homeless woman who is pregnant.

    He told me the only thing sadder than a homeless woman who is pregnant is a tax increase.

    • 5 votes
    #2.20 - Wed May 4, 2011 9:28 PM EDT

    Middle TX

    While you say it is a bridge too far for the Democrats to retake the House history has a different view. Large swings in Congress' are rare but changes or more than 50 seats from one congress to the next have taken place. You are correct in pointing out that Republicans have taken over a large number of state houses and that should have the Democrats worried. But given the popular uprisings that are taking place in a number of these states, I wouldn't be surprised to see quite a few of them swing the other way and in some cases before 2012.

    • 3 votes
    #2.21 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:49 AM EDT

    Middle TX

    You are also correct in pointing out that a lot of people are wed to the abortion issue. It will be interesting to see how that fixation drives the republican party's nomination process with three of the first four state primaries taking place in states with extreme anti-abortion positons. Given the history that one who hasn't won at least two of these early contests has won the nomination, this single focus could cost the republicans dearly in a general election. These people are the reason I left the republican party long ago. I want government off my back and out of my private life (in both my bedroom and doctors office), provide a strong defense, and have a coherent economic policy (not vodoo economics). Unfortunately there are no parties or candidates representing me at this point.

    • 1 vote
    #2.22 - Thu May 5, 2011 9:03 AM EDT

    @ in the middle of , tex..... don't take it personal! Jimmy jones doesn't!

    • 1 vote
    #2.23 - Thu May 5, 2011 12:56 PM EDT
    Reply

    The Republicans are continuing to show what butt heads they are. JOBS

    • 16 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:03 PM EDT

    Job1:

    Great posts today. The GOP/TP is lost and running around in circles now. This is the most dysfunctional party on the planet.

    • 12 votes
    #3.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:27 PM EDT

    "Butt-heads" is a qualifier for a "great post?"

    • 4 votes
    #3.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:37 PM EDT

    Of course it is ED. Thoughtful and well said. What more could one ask?

    • 1 vote
    #3.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

    Thank you, Navy.

    • 4 votes
    #3.5 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:49 PM EDT

    Please Insult Me: You're a blithering idiot (just sayin', and conforming to your moniker). Further, you have nothing of value to add to the conversation - nihilist, be gone and darken the door no more.

    • 6 votes
    #3.6 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:07 PM EDT

    Viktor:

    What did you just add???????????

      #3.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT

      US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired

      Job1:

      Great posts today. The GOP/TP is lost and running around in circles now. This is the most dysfunctional party on the planet.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....now that's funny Navy. Can you clarify how you determine this to be an accurate statement? Or, is this just another of your proffered speeches?

      As for the most dysfunctional party on the face of the earth, you would have to also include your Progressive Party in the equation, wouldn't you agree? Nothing is more interesting than hearing Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi justifying the merits of their legislation.

      You can't help but laugh every time one of those two opens their mouths to lie to the public.

        #3.8 - Wed May 4, 2011 8:17 PM EDT
        Reply

        Sigh.

        Those who would accuse the President of "trumping up" a phony raid in Pakistan in order to divert attention ... (from what, by the way? -- after all, he was winning the Ryan budget bill battle when he paused long enough to take out Osama bin Laden) ... ought to stop and consider which side it REALLY is that constantly gins up phony issues in order to keep people's eyes off the prize.

        And here's another one.

        Forrest Grump:

        did 11 million people go back to work today and I didn't even notice?

        Why, yes, now that you mention it. Talk about a jobs bill. The President hired them -- off the books, of course -- to implement the final phase of his insidious plan by hiding the fact that Osama bin Laden is still alive ...

        ... but evidently not able to tell anyone that he is.

        • 13 votes
        Reply#4 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:07 PM EDT

        Anna Molly..

        Not even an issue as it is not even relevant to what we need to fix in America. Not even a diversion. It's the far right of the GOP trying to circumvent of Roe v. Wade. These people who call themselves Constitutional Literalists are willing to defy Supreme Court decisions and stick their religious beliefs in our faces.

        • 13 votes
        #4.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:18 PM EDT
        Reply

        Previously, Chris Smith has tried to redfine rape to exclude rape and incest. Honestly, with all the laws on the books prohibiting fed funds from being used for abortions, I don't get it. As someone said above, the GOP is not about jobs, jobs, jobs. They're about promoting their right wing, screw the Constitution agenda. Maybe they realize that in 2012 they will loose the House and need to try to pass all this right wing religous stuff before then.

        • 12 votes
        Reply#5 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:11 PM EDT

        Ah, but this one goes MUCH farther than just not using federal funds to pay for abortions. Conservatives now define tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance as "using federal funds to pay for abortions." This is TRULY a draconian measure, one that would virtually eliminate abortion services from the health insurance industry while pretending to just be a minor adjustment in language.

        • 9 votes
        #5.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

        John B:

        These guys have lost all touch with reality. They have moved to total control of a women's reproductive rights.

        • 8 votes
        #5.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:34 PM EDT

        John B, Des Moines, IA

        Agree, The whole GOP agenda is draconian. It seems that they are living in the Victorian Age. or worse, the Dark Ages where everything was defined by church doctrine. We are a secular society by law and their attemps to redefine our society in their world view should be an affront to everyone who worries that our rights and priveleges...the right to privacy..are being eroded.

        • 8 votes
        #5.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT

        I, for the life of me, will never understand how or why religious, social conservatism was married to fiscal conservatism.

        A day or two ago I ruminated about whether or not Mitt Romney adopting stances seemingly contrarian to his past platform when working as Massachusetts' governor was a failure of the political elite or of the electorate. I'd also passed comment to the effect that only would-be demagouges are the most likely to vote in a given election.

        In my view, when looking at the percentage turn-out for local and federal elections, it seems that only a tiny sliver of the population (the most boistrous, the most ideologically divided) is actually deciding our elections. Whether you consider yourself a moderate tinted red or blue, it seems your voice along with millions like you, remains silent.

        I do not walk the streets and see conservatives or liberals on every street corner frothing like dogs over this issue and that, yet the political dialogue (if it can be referred as such) in this nation suggests a society one or two catastrophic domestic events from open civil strife.

        Many I know who are registered Republicans or merely identify as unaffiliated conservatives do not give one damn about what the rest of America is doing in the bedroom; which deity the rest of America is worshipping; how many American women have need of abortions. They care about our the state of our economy.

        Have our political parties become like unto the ouroboros? Whatever first set the GOP devouring its own tail, in my view it continues the cycle that first pushed away the deathly-silent majority by courting the fringe element for no apparent reason other than ensuring re-election in place of promoting an agenda that might actually address the issues of the day.

        • 13 votes
        #5.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:58 PM EDT

        Exodite Dragon

        Great comment. Absolutey great.

        • 3 votes
        #5.5 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:14 PM EDT

        dragon...you can thank ole Ronny for that one. When he realized that Goldwater Conservatism was dying out he created a new form of conservatism. He had to find members, in comes Falwel and moral majority. The rest as you say is history...

        • 5 votes
        #5.6 - Wed May 4, 2011 6:07 PM EDT

        Great comments, ED and gpotts. There simply aren't enough people around who think it's a great idea to create a new American aristocracy by redistributing vast amounts of wealth from the middle class to the top. To get the critical mass required to win an election once in a while they had to dress up lying about that war on the middle class with a delicious frosting of Cultural Conservatism.

        The Conservative Movement really isn't a coherent movement nearly as much as it's a collection of disparate parts, sometimes at odds, who cooperate because they know none of them could win an election to save themselves otherwise. As a prime example look at immigration. Big business Conservatives want the ready supply of cheap labor supplied by immigration, Cultural Conservatives are violently against that. Look at who wins that one, because it serves the primary purpose of a war on the middle class.

        • 2 votes
        #5.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 6:26 PM EDT

        Welcome to the "American Theocracy" of the far right of the Republican party. There have been several excellent books written in the past few years on the dangers that the "religious right' pose to Americacn freedoms. I would suggest looking up Senator (R) Danforth's book as well as books by Mr. Phillips. Sentator Danforth was/is not only a Republican but also an ordained minister. My only objection to him is that he was a key sponsor of Clarence Thomas to SCOTUS. I'm sorry that I can't remember Mr. Phillips first name right off-hand.

        • 2 votes
        #5.8 - Thu May 5, 2011 8:57 AM EDT

        Kathy, that brings up another point, the radicalization of the Conservative Movement and the Republican Party. Conservatism was once the territory of thinking people like Barry Goldwater and William F Buckley who had the good sense to marginalize crazy fringe groups like the John Birch Society.

        Ronald Reagan recognized that the then-base of the GOP wasn't big enough to win elections with any regularity. In a successful attempt to increase the natural base of the party he spoke directly to previously marginalized groups like Cultural Conservatives and Birchers. It worked, the ranks of those actively voting Republican swelled.

        Unfortunately short term gain has become long term insanity. Reagan, being a demonstrated pragmatic Conservative, probably believed these fringe groups would remain fringe...they haven't. Instead, thanks to the natural motivation that comes from sincerely held craziness, they've come to control the power within the GOP. The big-business Conservatives who Reagan wanted to aid still get their way in nearly all Republican legislation, but to do so it's taken a steady rise in pandering to the lunatic fringe.

        • 1 vote
        #5.9 - Thu May 5, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
        Reply

        We, ladies and gents, are witnessing the unraveling of the very tightly wound ball of twine that is the Gop.

        They have so thoroughly boxed themselves in that they don't know what to do to get out. I know that I'm

        mixing my metaphors, but what the heck, its fun. When they think they have the answer to their self-inflicted

        predicament, it will be something just as ridiculously binding and confining as their current reality.

        • 18 votes
        Reply#6 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:19 PM EDT

        Very True! The wheels are coming off in pairs. This is like watching Comedy Central. The GOP/TP is totally lost and has not a clue on how to get back on track.

        They are very quickly becoming the impotent party of NOTHING.

        • 11 votes
        #6.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT
        Reply

        *FACEPALM*

        • 9 votes
        Reply#7 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:21 PM EDT

        *FACEPALM*

        Right there with you my friend! ;o)

        It's not to late to go independent ya know?

        • 8 votes
        #7.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:25 PM EDT
        Reply

        I am still looking for the jobs bill that they promise the American people! Where is the Jobs Bill?

        • 13 votes
        Reply#8 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

        You're about as likely to find it as GW Bush was to find WMDs in the Oval Office a few years ago. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3570845.stm

        • 6 votes
        #8.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:32 PM EDT

        Sadly, to Republicans, policing a woman's reproductive rights IS a jobs bill.

        • 6 votes
        #8.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT

        People need jobs, all over the south people need basic shelter, and this is the agenda. I told a republican the only thing sadder than a homeless woman is a homeless woman who is pregnant. He told me the only thing sadder than a homeless woman who is pregnant is a tax increase.

        • 3 votes
        #8.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 8:36 PM EDT

        If they do the jobs bill than Obama will get credit and they can't stand it so the middle class suffers. Those republicans just don't care about the middle class when they have the Kock Bro and big oil and business.

        • 2 votes
        #8.4 - Thu May 5, 2011 10:38 PM EDT
        Reply

        It is the mixing of religous beliefs with laws of the land that bothers me. Watching elected officials lie about what Planned Parenthood does 90% of the time saddens me. Really? Can't we even pretend to use facts when debating an issue?

        You can forget any discussion from the GOP about jobs, since the only jobs they were looking to procure was the ones they now have. If they knew how to generate jobs they would have by now, or they are purposely stonewalling the issue so that unemployment stays high and Obama can take the rap. Either way, they are pathetic.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#9 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:33 PM EDT

        Jack:

        Very true. There are no plans for Job Creation, Stimulating the Economy or improving Education. It appears that their rhetoric was just another bunch of lies to get the uninformed to vote for them.

        Hopefully the American People are waking up to his Bait and Switch Party.

        • 10 votes
        #9.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:37 PM EDT
        Reply

        US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired
        They are very quickly becoming the impotent party of NOTHING

        Sadly, yes, Navy and jobs for real people will not be a part of any solutions they envision for the future.

        • 13 votes
        Reply#10 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:39 PM EDT

        Wow, this didn't take long, did it?

        The repubs need to focus on the economy or they'll be gone next year. If they want to deal with social issues they can fix the economy and then and only then, address abortion, etc.

        • 10 votes
        Reply#11 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:40 PM EDT

        This ridiculousness yanked my chain so hard, I immediately sent the following e-mail to my representative:

        I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that the House was proposing a bill on abortion. What is the matter with our legislature that when we need jobs, economic solutions, tax reform, re evaluation of foreign aid policies, change in corporate and farm subsidies, realistic energy policies and an oversight board for energy, and we may come under terrorist attack because of killing Bin Laden, that Congress can't get off the ideological issues and on with the business of running the country and solving real problems. If women having abortions is such an issue just cut off their welfare if they get pregnant. They'll quit getting pregnant, and to carry that further, reward them if they don't - then abortions will not be an issue. This isn't rocket science.

        May I suggest you all e-mail your representatives. This is nonsense.

        • 3 votes
        #11.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:24 PM EDT

        I don't think they reay care about abortions I think they are trying to keep unemployment up to blame democrats for non action on the deficit and poor jobs performance.

        • 1 vote
        #11.2 - Thu May 5, 2011 10:43 PM EDT
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        It seems as though the "pale and stale" are focusing on attempts to under mind HCR and not work on the issues at hand such as jobs...jobs...jobs...

        Republican controled Congress what say you? Why do you insist on focusing a women reproductive rights that are not being paid for with taxpayer dollars?

        Great article Luke and excellent back up with Mark's earlier article!

        • 6 votes
        Reply#12 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:41 PM EDT

        What kind of jobs bills did the Republicans who control the House introduce today?

        • 8 votes
        Reply#13 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:43 PM EDT

        Or, for that matter, what jobs bill did the dems introduce? Just because thay aren't in charge doesn't mean they had their tongues cut off.

        • 3 votes
        #13.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:46 PM EDT

        kirby in idaho..

        Not for nothing but do you think the Dems came up with the BEST job bill in creation it would get through the GOP ruled House. Not a chance. I'm not saying they're not at fault also..just a thought.

        • 7 votes
        #13.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:51 PM EDT

        I agree it wouldn't pass, but it might, just might get people talking about it. The dems have to show they got something to add or they will become the party of "No".

        • 1 vote
        #13.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:56 PM EDT

        kirby in idaho..

        Agree...the Dems need to show they have something to add. Just cause they're the minority now doesn't mean they can't put forth bills and ideas.

        • 3 votes
        #13.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:06 PM EDT

        On the contrary, the GOP failed to put forth a single bill or plan for employemt or speding cuts in the previous session of Congress. You then campaigned on a promise that you and the teabaggers would create jobs and were elected. You claim victory after doing nothing to help.

        • 4 votes
        #13.5 - Thu May 5, 2011 2:28 AM EDT
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        "Back to Center Stage" is right. This is nothing more than a washed-up vaudeville act trying to hog the spotlight and the microphone in a desperate attempt to reach the people in the cheap seats. Somebody should tell them the rest of the audience not only left already, they're in line at the ticket window demanding a refund.

        • 6 votes
        Reply#14 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT

        Priorities GOP! Jobs! Stop "dithering" and deal with the issues that are important to the "american people"!

        • 6 votes
        Reply#15 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

        MSNBC: "It’s also not clear if there is any actual data Smith uses to back up his claim that President Obama is “the abortion president."

        Guys, the President's re election comittee will have one billion dollars to spend on hired help to write such garbage....why do you throw away any shred of journalism to flak for Obama?

        • 1 vote
        Reply#16 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

        I swear, if the GOP had their way, there'd be rules for top or bottom and which days of the week!

        • 5 votes
        Reply#17 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:51 PM EDT

        there'd be rules for top or bottom and which days of the week!

        ZING!

        LMFAO Ursula!

        • 3 votes
        #17.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT

        They have those rules in their book, you know. I've not read it in 50 years, but I remember that there were rules just like that.

        What I worry about is that not enough younger women are getting involved. We marched, fought, and worked hard to achieve an equality and a right to privacy. I just hope that all older women have a few younger women to talk to about this. Our history must not be silenced.

        • 5 votes
        #17.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT
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        Frank Luntz put out the word! "We can't beat on Obama or "hang" him anymore like Romney stated. So let's just go after women's bodies again. Our favorite subject!"

        • 5 votes
        Reply#18 - Wed May 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT

        To All,

        I am new to posting, as you have probably guessed, and still getting the hang of it. And, thank you US Navy for

        my first reply, as it encourages me to continue posting.

        While I'm at it, will someone please tell me how to award a star to any of the wonderfully articulate and creative

        posts that I read everyday. As well, thankyou to whoever awarded a star to me. It was certainly unexpected,

        but wildly apreciated.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#19 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:34 PM EDT

        As well, thankyou to whoever awarded a star to me

        You're welcome! I was one of them cause I LIKE what you have to say! ;o)

        I'm glad you deciced to stick around SS-MD!

        To 'vote' - go to the bottom right hand corner of your screen and click on the up arrow.

        5 votes gets that person a green star!

        Just voted for you matter of fact!

        PS: If you click on the ! next to it, you will get a drop down menu that you can chose from of others features you might find will come in handy! ;o)

        • 4 votes
        #19.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:41 PM EDT

        Feisty,

        You beat me to it … again!!

        Welcome Savvy. I’ve read some of your comments today.

        Great job – please keep posting.

        • 3 votes
        #19.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT

        You beat me to it … again!!

        ;p lol

        Savvy, Dennis really is our GO to guy on IT issues! Trust me!

        • 2 votes
        #19.3 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:57 PM EDT

        Thankyou Feisty and all! By golly, I think I've got it now or will soon! LOL

        • 5 votes
        #19.4 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:08 PM EDT

        Just gave you my vote Savy Senior. So look now and you will see yourself with a bright green star. Welcome to the party of political junkies!

        • 2 votes
        #19.5 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:13 PM EDT

        Welcome to the party of political junkies!

        Where a good time is had by all...

        Well come to think of it, not so much if you're a righty these days! lol

        • 3 votes
        #19.6 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:19 PM EDT

        Savvy Senior, MD:

        I think I've got it now or will soon! LOL

        Yes, by George, I think you do. Welcome Dr. Savvy. You'll like it here.

        As a part-time, amateur fortune teller, I foresee many stars in your future.

        • 2 votes
        #19.7 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:22 PM EDT

        but oh they are trying so hard! They are acting like it what "their" head that was chopped of Sunday. You know what the body of a snake acts like for a while once the head is off. Wild and Crazy! I guess rhetorically speaking their "head" was chopped off. They have no one worthy to counter Obama in 2012.

        • 2 votes
        #19.8 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:26 PM EDT

        Good to see you posting, Savvy Senior----see that you got another star today---well deserved. Keep posting.

        And let me be the first to invite you to join us for happy hour at the Dew Drop Inn on Friday afternoon---our hangout to celebrate the week. I'm sure special activities are being planned in honor of our brave Navy Seals----we'll have to find out their beverage of choice and have it on hand.

        • 3 votes
        #19.9 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:44 PM EDT
        Reply

        Thank god the House is focusing on the real important issues. How much money are we paying these clowns.

        • 5 votes
        Reply#20 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:51 PM EDT

        No. They are focusing on women's bodies again. Obsessing about it actually!

        • 7 votes
        #20.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:27 PM EDT
        Reply

        This irritates the daylights out of me. Why can't our representatives get on with the important issues our country faces. We may be in for a spate of terrorist attacks after Bin Laden. We need jobs badly; we need tax reform, badly; we need reevaluation of our foreign aid policies, badlly; we need a change in our government subsidies and corporate welfare; we need to rebuild our infrastructure. Why are these politicians so interested in women's bodies and what they do with them. If they were serious about reform, they should reform welfare. Make it so that if a woman is on welfare and gets pregnant, she doesn't get any more checks. That would solve both the cost of welfare and prevent abortion because the welfare women wouldn't get pregnant. They have stuff to prevent it. If it wasn't profitable, they wouldn't have babies. All the Republicans in the house seem to be able to do is worry about gays, abortions, and curtailing women's rights. Come on folks. We're sick of it.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#21 - Wed May 4, 2011 4:53 PM EDT

        The "Hoodlum's on the Hill" are "Super Spewing" their "Crazy Conservative Crap." Again! The GOP/RNC are still off task concerning this issue. Again! The "Bonehead Boehner Bunch" and "Crazy Cantor's Cronies" just do not learn from their many mistakes. They continue to mixing cultural/social issues with politics. These spewers decided to kill both Medicare and Medicaid by voting like political vultures. Then they have no clue about what Planned Parenthood does to help American Women with preventive health issues. The GOP/RNC are just renting the House because, they will be moving out in 2012. What a joke America!

        • 6 votes
        Reply#22 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:25 PM EDT

        Anyone believe this really has anything to do with abortion?

        Friday the President slams the birther crap right out of the ballpark. Saturday he humiliates the Republican who leads in primary polling. Sunday he announces to an astonished world, that he has accomplished something republicans could not do in eight years. Monday and Tuesday as the conservatives and pundits try to minimise his achievement, he shoots up in the polls.

        So last night Karl Rove or somesuch (to steal a line) decided that they needed to fall back on one of the tried and true divisive issues, as if those who do not give a damn about the living care about the unborn.

        • 7 votes
        Reply#23 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:29 PM EDT

        I think you are right, Patrick---after being knocked around for the past week they have to throw some red meat to their base and this is the easiest way to do it. How sad.

        • 6 votes
        #23.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:55 PM EDT
        Reply

        Hey speaker tan man ---- where are the JOBS????

        • 6 votes
        Reply#24 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:32 PM EDT

        If Mitch McConnell doesn't want an abortion ..i suggest he takes the necessary percautions !

        • 10 votes
        Reply#25 - Wed May 4, 2011 5:32 PM EDT

        Bingo!

        That's a brilliant suggestion for the GOP Senator. Thanks for making my day!

        • 3 votes
        #25.1 - Wed May 4, 2011 9:02 PM EDT

        Say it isn't so
        If Mitch McConnell doesn't want an abortion ..i suggest he takes the necessary percautions !

        Sage advice...especially for those who consider abortion a viable form of birth control...

        BTW ... are "percautions" a new method of BC I never heard about?

          #25.2 - Wed May 4, 2011 10:53 PM EDT
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