GAME - SET - MATCH!

Torture apologists!

It's my understand that when they asked KSM about the name of the courier, he responded he either didn't know him or he was not of any importance...

It was THEN that the CIA became suspicious!

PS: I ALWAYS enjoy Michael Isikoff's in depth reporting! ;o)

Thank you very much for this post First Read. . . the truth will set us free.

This is so pathetic. The GOP want so desperately to take credit for what transpired Sunday by excusing their torture policy and saying that this is how we were able to track down bin Laden. They make me sick.

I agree Feisty. Michael Isikoff is the real deal as far as journalism goes. I've seen some terrific guests on MSNBC these past few days. Their coverage has been quite thoughtful.

I LOVE the smell of fresh TRUTH the hot Texas afternoon.

Last night, the ex head of the CIA saif the the tip was NOT received from a Gitmo detainee, In fact, he said, no actionable intelligence has been derived from the detainee in years. You put someone in solitary for years, cut him off from the world and he becomes more defiant. Ask John McCain..read his books. You waterboard a man 183 times expecting a different outcome. That just makes you stupid. Eventually he will say anything to stop the torture. In SERE school they now teach you to tell some truths and some lies that are believsble to stop the beatings and torture. Does the CIA think the otherside does not do the same. Please don't torture anyone in my name or for that matter in the guise of helping the USA.

The byline in the Atlanta Journal Constitution today: "Operation rooted in an American intelligence discovery 4 years ago." Georgia is very Republican, and their heads are exploding, trying to spin the story to give credit to Bush. None of the Republican rep's here will even mention Obama by name. The paper constantly states that we still have $4 gas and a bad economy, so stop celebrating. And the folks around town are not celebrating; in fact they are furious because they (wrongly) believe GW Bush should get all the credit for the operation, not Pres. Obama. Republicans are so pathetic...vote them all out in 2012.

So when they come to get our former President and Vice for crimes against humanity.. will they first have to prove they are human. (bad joke..)

but I say no to torture anywhere and everywhere... great job Mr President (Obama) and the men and women of our services (Armed and Intelligence) and

isn't it amazing how public servants can be so effiient, professional and dedicated.

Wish the congress was half that good, we might have a budget and a plan to get out of debt (instead of the ryan garbage and the earmarks from hell!!).

MSNBC takes the side of the Left, literally spinning like a top to protect its patron Obama...pathetic journalism..

Left unsaid in the pathetic MSNBC spin: the critical piece of information about the courier came from coercive interrogation, though not waterboarding...

President Obama is doing the best he can considering the political and economic situation. Most of the problems that this adminastration is dealing with was inherited from 8 years of a non-regulated coporate and wall street buddy system under G.B. It took eight years for us to get here and those that are out of touch with reality expect Obama to fix it overnight. The economic turnaround will take time with all the factors involved. The main culprit to our economic failings are not the current adminastration. They are being caused by many of our corporation moving thousands and maybe even millions of jobs overseas and still claiming hefty tax breaks or paying no taxes at all. The oil speculators controlling the price of oil rather than supply and demand determing the price. It's being caused by many corporations streamlining and increasing output but not hiring more workers. We need cooperation from both political parties, along with corporations bringing jobs back to America. Here is a good example of what I'm saying. A well paying job in my city was recently shut down costing about 1500 jobs, but this same company has 14 plants operating overseas that were not affected. Is that the president's fault. In order for the U.S. to turn it around we all have to work together to protect jobs, create jobs and spur economic growth. The workng class drives the economy but if they are not working the economy will continue to stay down. You can only create so many jobs when all of them are being outsourced overseas. Until we fix this major problem then and only then will our economy turn around.

Ok, although. Obama does get some credit (little) for allowing the operation, im sure most of the information came from the bush administration, for the people who think harsh interagation
didn't work do you think a terrorist is goen give information to the us if we ask him and say please?( if you think that im sure glad your not in the military protecting our country) no they dont you have to make them talk and although its not a pleasant it works. Obama he'll try to take credit for this come election time but look just 1 month ago he wanted to cut pay to the troops.

 I've certainly got my issues with Obama. But I do have to give him credit for leaving a Republican in charge of the Military. Common Sense seems so lacking on his side of the isle.....

This is pure nonsense. The primary information about Bin Laden's whereabouts came from Abu Faraj al-Libi and Hassan Ghul who were both subjected to harsh interrogations in secret CIA prisons. The Libs are trying to put a spin on this one. They refuse to give President Bush the credit he deserves for bringing about the demise of Bin Laden.

The "Gross Odd People" (GOP), and the "Really Not Competent" (RNC), failed to get Bin Laden. This is fact! "Chump-Change-Cheney" to say that torture helped with our war on terror is mentally ill, and a lie. That is fact! The Buch Administration has brain cell damage to rewrite history to justify their many failures dealing with the economy, and diplomatically. It is just absurd to now hear "Chump-Change-Cheney" trying to take credit for this recent operation to defeat terror is the continued spewing of "Crazy Conservative Crap" (CCC). The Bush Administration went illegally into Iraq, and the mission in Afganistan was not completed. The video of President Bush in his 2003 White House Press Conferences concerning Bin Laden are treasonous. It clearly showed that the "Brainless" comments of President Bush were reckless and rude to say. What a joke America!

The right wing simply cannot let go of there projection based reality......EVER.

No matter what happens, how many facts are against them, etc.

Good ideologs.

Interesting that after nearly seven years of coercive and illegal not to mention immoral torture of war prisoners, there was never any success in capturing OBL. Even more interesting perhaps is the fact that the former Secretary of State (national security advisor) was "surprised" that he was found where he was hiding. We have to wonder if these people had been white anglo saxons would the Bush WH have been so quick to toss out the window the moral conventions and convictions which we have been a party to for generations. As a former Republican and fiscal conservative, I find it highly distasteful to even attempt to justify war crimes. If the ends truly justify the means, then Native Americans and African Americans and Asian Americans would be amply justified to become modern day terrorists/freedom fighters to re-write the hideous history served up by centuries of oppression at the hands of Europeans and European Americans.

And don't tell me about pulling one's self up by one's bootstraps! You have to have boots to make that attempt. Remember, most of the wealth of the western world was either stolen in the dark or stolen in broad daylight. If we are really facing the decline of America as so many of the far right believe (Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh) perhaps it is just because there is such a huge unpaid debt to the victims of American greed.

I know how to solve this debate. Let's put Bush/Cheney on trial for the war crimes that they perpetuated, put them under oath and then we'll get the truth.

YOU GOTTA LOVE REPUBS. they'll try anything to take credit. remember when communism fell and they tried to say reagan did it all - like truman and john kennedy never existed. the mouth breathing idiot gwb had 6 years to catch him, but they were too busy trying to torture folks and to someway justify torture, that they didnt concentrate on any other intelligence gathering methods. c'mon, waterboarding a guy 183 times. if he didnt tell you the first 50 times, you're p_ssing in the wind. but no, they got to keep going b/c they know every dam thing even when the pro's tell them different (remember"weapons of mass destruction!!!", "weapons of mass destruction!!!", "weapons of mass destruction!!!". AND, MY FAVORITES "with all the oil they have, the war will pay for itselF" and "we'll be welcomed as liberators".)

More inconvenient facts in takedown of Bin Laden, you wont read on leftist media MSNBC: Warrrantless NSA wiretaps were key !

red state: "It took more traditional sleuthing to get al-Kuwaiti’s real name, according to the Times. That meant putting more operatives on the ground in Afghanistan and Pakistan to track him, yielding a partial name. Once they had that, they unleashed “one of their greatest investigative tools”: the National Security Agency’s surveillance net. The NSA monitored email and phone traffic until they had his full name: Shaikh Abu Ahmed.

Last summer, the Associated Press reports, al-Kuwaiti/Ahmed made a fatal mistake: he called someone under NSA surveillance. After showing up on the grid, CIA operatives on the ground were able to hunt him.

You will note the absence of any reference to the NSA getting a search warrant for this. Once again, after all the huffing and puffing and lawsuits about NSA surveillance, it turns out that it, too, played a part in tracking down Public Enemy #1.....

I'm surprised Trump didn't take credit the SOB

What if by some miracle of common sense... The SEALS didnt kill Osama out right. They just kidnapped him and took him to George Bush's Ranch and he is being tortured right now for information on the where abouts of those other douce bags.

UAW:

Capture was never the objective.

Here we have Radical "Wrongs" spewing their rhetoric to cover the brilliant and exceptional actions of the Navy Seals. These "Seals" sealed the coffin of that "Murderer" and credit should be everyone involved with this operation, including the President who authorized the operation. All of the command structure who trained and equipped these brave men deserve respect and honor. Every outlet who broadcasts the naysayers are in over drive talking down "Our" accomplishments. "We" took down the most wanted man in the universe in less than forty minutes. This was a "We" effort because an endeavor like this one was sanctioned all the way to the top. "We" should be proud of their accomplishments, but their actions are being tarnished by the Toxic Talking Heads like Brush Himoff, Honk Sannity and the like. There was a jump in the President's poll numbers, but they won't acknowledge it. These guys cannot give credit when deserved. They absolutely do not want to say this was a great move by the president and the security team.

Clinton has coached Obama well. if there is an ounce of credit laying around, by

all means claim it as your own. Obama needs a whole lot of learning moments instead of worrying about "teaching moments"???

MSNBC pathetic spinning like a top Headline:

"Most aggressive 'enhanced interrogation' 'proved useless' "

Reality: most interrogations, period, are 'useless'..EXCEPT the ones that arent.

One interrogation that worked:: the name of the courier was obtained thru coercive interrogation, not torture....