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Subscribe to RSSToday’s news cycle will address remaining key questions about the death of Osama bin Laden – how he was located, who knew what when, and what exactly happened in the 40 minutes leading up to the shooting of the world’s most wanted terrorist.
But, soon afterwards, the question on the minds of many political reporters – and the president’s political opponents – will be about “the bounce.”
The al Qaeda leader’s dramatic death is the kind of news story almost certain to register the coveted presidential approval ratings spike that has historically followed a major development in domestic or foreign affairs.
But how high – and for how long – can bounces really be?
The most dramatic presidential rally effect in the history of Gallup polling was the whopping 35 percent jump in President George W. Bush’s approval rating after the September 11 attack. Bush’s approval before the terrorist assault was a tepid 51 percent but leapt to 86 percent by September 15. He soared at over 80 percent approval for six subsequent months.
Bush also benefitted from a seven point boost in the aftermath of Saddam Hussein’s capture on December 13, 2003, but the bounce faded by the end of the following month.
With the exception of the post-9/11 bump, presidential bounces for major national security events average about 13 percentage points and last for four to five months, according to Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies.
The attack at Pearl Harbor, for example, boosted President Roosevelt’s approval by 11 percent – with effects lasting almost a year. The halting of U.S. bombings in North Vietnam was worth 14 points on President Lyndon Johnson’s approval score, for a duration of about 20 weeks. And the Cuban Missile Crisis bumped up President John Kennedy’s ratings by 12 percent for a duration of about 40 weeks.
But it’s worth noting that, while major presidential bounces can hugely alter the arc of an incumbent party’s election strategy, even the most dramatic approval bumps don’t ensure a first-term president’s future success.
While the younger Bush rode his national security bona fides to a (narrow) re-election in 2004, his father was less lucky despite making similarly striking gains in the polls in the second half of his four-year term.
Days before the beginning of Operation Desert Shield in August 1990, about 60 percent of Americans gave President George H.W. Bush a thumbs up on his job performance. By the time American troops began withdrawing from the Persian Gulf in March, his approval ratings grazed the nine-in-ten mark, peaking at 89 percent at the beginning of that month.
But – with a souring economy and a series of missteps that underscored perceptions that he was out of touch with regular Americans – Bush ultimately dropped below 30 percent, virtually ensuring his defeat in his 1992 re-election race.
According to Gallup, the key day to watch its tracking poll – comprised of a three-day rolling average -- will be this coming Thursday, which will be the first day when all three nights’ interviews with respondents will be after Sunday night’s big announcement.
Obama’s most recent approval rating, published by Gallup before the bin Laden news, stands at 46 percent.
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Instead of asking the question of how long the Presidents bounce will last, why not ask the question of how long the unity in the country will last. From where I sit, we almost didn't make it through the day.
I was thinking the same thing, Ira.
True that Ira. We are already arguing the point about who gets credit, who gets blame, should we have killed him, should we have captured him. I, for one, give credit to everyone involved from Obama to Bush, to Gates, Hillary, Panetts, etc.
Ira - agreed.
Doesn't matter. Obama is going to be re-elected with, or without, this capture of Osama.
And THAT is what has all the right wingers acting like Sean Hannity clones today. NOT that Bin Laden was nailed.
Gee, maybe we shouldn't have an election Drive by, since it is already sewn up.
If the economy sn't better then the election will be up for grabs, because like Bill Clinton said, "It's the economy, Stupid".
Enjoy the moment for it will be short lived it's the economy, stupid! Bin Laden is dead not Al-Qaeda; there's more work to do.
Side note: I DID predict, though, that with the demise of Bin Laden, the right would suddenly decide it's time to talk economy and jobs again, instead of birth certificates or abortions or some such.....
Playing Devil's Advocate here, if you are using internet forums to judge the country's unity you will always be devastated. Most people don't come to post "Everything's fine here!" and "Glad we're all on the same page!"
You're generally going to find a higher percentage of people who want to complain about something. The same reason hotels and restaurants get fewer positive comments on the comment cards than negative ones. When people are doing fine and getting along, they usually don't bother to write about it.
I think it's possible that we've reached a milestone in the nation's mood. We've had a decade of recession, terrorist threat levels, class warfare against the middle class, etc. Perhaps this is the start of Americans working together to solve problems again. It would be an appropriate time as we approach the tenth anniversary of 9/11. I take some comfort in the indications that people are tired of the fear and hate from the Trumps and Palins.
I don't think that this bump is going to mean much in the coming elections...sure...it'll be brought up and balyhoo'ed until the cows come home, but I don't foresee it mattering much.
Obama is still likely to make a second term, for 1 very simple reason.
The GOP is going to shoot themselves in the foot, and Obama isn't anywhere aweful enough to warrant a changing of the guard (yet).
The GOP is not going to stand behind their most eligible candidate...perhaps it's Romney...He's the most center of the GOP hoofing about on Capital Hill. He can hold an opinion unlike McCain, and he's not far right, or certifiably insane like the rest...but because he won't tow the NeoCon and Social Conservative agendas lock-step the way the others likely would, AND that he has "Romney-Care" weighing on his neck for all the GOP-nutters that scream "SOCIALISM!!!", I somehow doubt he will be a front-runner as GOP-donors will likely be steered towards Huckabee or the others.
Short of Obama doing something to really stupid AND the economy languishing, or the GOP to suddenly change course and actually run a genuinely centrist candidate that isn't wacky, Obama is in for a 2nd term, and Hillary will likely lose to whomever the GOP puts up to plate in 2016
One only need to actually watch Obama's address of Bin Laden to know that the man can't deliver a single line, let alone tell the truth.
Close Gitmo - Lied
"Read my Lips, no higher taxes" - Lied
Will abate war - really really lied alot
Reduce Federal Spending - Ca$h for Clunker$ (fiscal mess)
Reduce the Debt - Not till cornered by the GOP
What a joke.....
First off, that quote is attributed to George Bush Sr!
Secondly, tell us what taxes have been raised under President Obama?
If you bothered to research you would find he LOWERED you Social Security withholding...
SHEESH -get a grip will ya?
You're a JOKE alright...
Considering that Obama fired the man who built the team that actually carried out the operation, a "bounce" hardly seems suitable. We no doubt have a yes-man in McChrystals place now, and are weaker for it.
"When Gen. Stanley McChrystal became JSOC’s commanding general in 2004, he and his intelligence chief, Maj. Gen. Michael Flynn, set about transforming the way the subordinate units analyze and act on intelligence...
McChrystal and Flynn introduced hardened commandos to basic criminal forensic techniques and then used highly advanced and still-classified technology to transform bits of information into actionable intelligence...
Such analysis helped the CIA to establish, with a high degree of probability, that Osama bin Laden and his family were hiding in that particular compound"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42858824/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/
Fiesty, George Bush said read my lips no new taxes . That aside today was a good day for America.
This isn't about Obama at all.
We have been hunting Bin Laden for 10 years now. All we can thank Obama for is not getting in the way.
This does nothing to disguise the fact that Obama is not Presidential material. The buyer's remorse of those who had a judgement slip, and voted for him, is still very strong.
As for the Obama economy, it seems that this is as good as it gets. This is the new "normal". Obama unemployment, Obama underemployment, Obama gas prices, Obama inflation, and, soon, in your neighborhood, Obama's new taxes.
This article only reinforces the fact that Obama is on the skids. He will be easy meat for any GOP candidate. He might just as well go on a permanent vacation for the last two years of his sorry term.
There is of course the problem of GITMO. Bush and company tortured everyone so they cannot be tried in any court on the planet. So it is much harder to clean up that Bush mess.
Read my lips, no higher taxes is a quote from George H W Bush. In any case Obama has in fact reduced taxes for small business. We now have lower taxes than at any time during the Bush Administration. Another republican lie.
Iraq is winding down and troops are being pulled out. Just because this Bush debacle hasn't been cleaned up in the first two years, doesn't mean it will not be fixed. Remember we are cleaning up after eight years of incompetence.
The need for the Federal Government to prop up the economy to prevent a collapse was recommended by every economist in the country, so much so, that even GW knew it was necessary to fix the mess he and the very incompetent republicans created.
Of the $14 Trillion we are currently in debt, $10 Trillion was inherited from a combination of Reagan, Bush Sr and Bush Jr. Every single time republican economic policies have been implemented they have caused a recession.
It is just shameful the republicans are so dishonest as to refuse to accept their very many and blatant failures. But dishonesty is the hallmark of the republican party, and they perpetrate their lies through the very gullible and imbecilic base as so clearly displayed by justonegoof
Sorry lisa -- I stand by my original comment:
Other than that, I agree it was a great day for America.
Feisty, maybe he said both when I googled it they said no new taxes. Not higher taxes. I didn't want you to be misquoted
What taxes did Obama raise...NONE... he was stopped in his tracks.. are you saying Obama doesn't want to raise Taxes if given the chance.. or do you defend him because you agree with him hes black which is it ??
^_^ It's amazing the selective memories of some.
Obama lowered taxes, albeit much to his chagrin, he accepted the GWB-tax cuts.
As for debt, I love how the entirety of the debt is placed on Obama.
Not to say that Obama isn't a big spender, but it's amazing how quickly the billions that were poured into AIG and TARP just quickly slip so many people's minds.
2012 is likely to be a rude awakening to the far Right. They are painting themselves into a corner. They don't have any new ideas for fixing the economy, it's the same old useless and unproven drivvel of unregulating everything and letting multinational corporations raid the public coffers, consolidate and rape the consumer.
If it's not the failed fiscal policies of Bush Jr., it's the backwards social conservatism that will drive another bullet into the feet of their candidates.
Most voters are tired of the shinanegans of the Left and Right alike. There are more registered independents and "decline to state" voters than in most other times in our recent history.
The only candidate that is sure to win will be a true moderate...not the fake ones that both parties have traditionally ran.
If Republicans are truly interested in winning the 2012 elections, they need to bring in a dark-horse candidate that is fiscally conservative and socially liberal.
Bingo: took the words right out of my mouth. This hyper-partisanship is hardly representative of most Americans--Most folks are busy with their lives and don't spend their time spouting hate and distrust of ALL politicians, or waiting for the end of the world because their guy didn't win office. I daresay the marking of this event around the country --without all the whining--will continue no matter what party they belong to or whether they even vote.
If you leftys all of a sudden think anyone is going to work with the inept lying quasi socialistic warmonger in the white house in his quest to implode the economy and redistribute wealth, you are even dumber than we thought, and you can believe we thought you pretty dumb.
I see you closed your eyes and conjured Bush up when making these statements. Bush lied about the war, the warmonger got us into 2 wars. He imploded the economy and now they are distributing the wealth upwards.
You were looking in the mirror when you said dumb.
That's ironic - I was thinking the exact same thing! ;o)
From recent reports that I've heard, President Obama gave the order to locate Bin Laden shortly after he came into office, lead and directed the group of government officials (Director of the CIA) in the search. He held many Nation Security meetings regarding the hunt. Once OBL was found the President was offered a series of choices regarding how the attack should occur. He choose how the mission would be enacted and then oversaw its successful completion. He accomplished this all while under fierce attack from right-wing ideologues over a period of eight months. Cool, smart, deadly to our enemies. A pragmatic man. A GREAT leader. No drama Obama! Yeah!!!!!
I think the media response to this will dictate how much "bounce" THE President will get from this successful operation.
For instance, in LA Sunday night every station on the air preempted regular programming except one to bring this news.
Care to guess which one played the Simpsons the entire time this was happening including during the Presidents address.
You guessed it FAUX network LA channel 11 KTTV.
Did they do this across the nation? Can anybody tell me if FOX blacked out this story elsewhere?
Note: I'm not talking about FOX "News" channel on cable/sat. ,just the over the air network affiliate. Not everybody has cable you know.
Can they possibly explain why they thought this was not newsworthy live?
Too soon to tell about the next election, but I don't see a 46% approval rating as a bounce.
The bounce should go to The defense Dept. They pulled it off. Or maybe to Pres Bush for setting it all up. I will give credit to Obama for following Bush's doctrine on terror, Gitmo, Terrorist trials.
Thanks to the Defense Dept, Pres Bush, and Pres Obama for following Pres Bush's doctrine on Terrorism.
I now know why Gitmo, terrorist trials, and Bush's doctrine were all of a sudden a changed subject for Obama. He is learning and that I give Obama credit for.
It's not this nor the previous Presidents' fault that America is going to hell in a hand basket... It's the "Me, Me, Me" mentality that's dividing our nation. Let me point out a couple blaring examples:
After Bin Laden becomes a faded memory, we'll still have these problems that threaten to divide our country! Divided we will fall... HARD!!!
How short the memories are for convenience.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8erePM8V5U
Obama promised not to raise taxes...and by the way, about a week ago - he said he was supporting tax increases. You can collapse all the truth you want (typical left-wing reaction to unarguable statements) . But your man lies
Gitmo - NOT closed
War - NOT abated (the man is killing everything that moves overseas)
Deficit - NOT delt with until GOP forced it out of him
Federal Spending - NOT reduced (ca$h for clunker$ - fiscal mess)
AND doesn't know how to delliver a speach as witnessed on TV when he babbled his way throught the Osama saga.
What a joke
justonegug
Hands down, Bush wins the award for the "Worst President in American History".
Bush left President Obama with an Unnecessary War in Iraq, an Economy in Shambles, Unemployment at 10%, a 12 Trillion Dollar Budget Deficit, Unfunded and Unpaid Medicare Part D, etc, etc.
He completely ignored and failed to act on the Intelligence about bin Laden's "Exact Location" left him by President Clinton when he took office (source -Clinton Library). This resulted in the 9/11 attacks on our country. Later, Bush stated "I don't care where Osama bin Laden is Hiding". This was during the height of the Iraq war.
And now we have a Republican controlled House of Representatives who just passed a 2011 Budget to do away with Medicare and Medicaid.
Now that's the Real Joke
So... Justoneguy,
He hasn't raised taxes yet, but anything this side of stupidity would tell you that conditions have changed. The economy is on the mend and we need to kill the tax cuts for the "rich". I guess I fall in that category and I think it's absurd to see people that have no business experience tell me that I wouldn't hire someone because of a 3% delta in taxes. IF I was making more than $250,000 AND I didn't have enough business deductions to keep me off the top tax rate, I would pay 3% more tax on THAT income over $250,000? So you're telling me that $300 in taxes would change my decision to go forward with a $100,000 project? Ridiculous.
Anyway, the rest of your "issues" with Obama are just the ones the GOP has been successful in blocking. They are issues YOU trump-up (pun intended) to poke at the left... all-the-while happy that you got your way.
Come on people. Its OUR recession (we ALL did it), its OUR war on terror (we mostly agreed to it), its OUR debt (no one cared until now, GOP or other wise), its OUR GITMO (we had to do SOMETHING with captured combatants), and OUR economy.
Remember history? After Desert Storm was successfully completed George H.W. Bush was considered unbeatable. Look what happened in '94. Bush lost because of his "No new taxes" comment. It's the economy and right now it is not looking good for an Obama repeat.
Remember history?
If I'm not mistaken, the GOP ran up the debt by choosing to NOT fund the war in Afghanistan, to NOT fund the war in Iraq, to NOT fund Medicaid, and to NOT fund the Bush tax cuts (and NO, they do not cause more tax revenue). These same issues are still major drivers to our debt today and will continue to be in the future.
The economy tanked on the GOP watch. We can argue all day about the causes and the puts and the takes, but history tells us that having a GOP president DOES NOT necessarily help the economy, so that would be a tough sell. "We've seen the light now" doesn't fly with me.
You can't be so selective on your "history" comments. And besides, somewhere along the line doesn't logic and honesty prevail? No? Sorry... lost my mind for a second.
...OK, and how bout the other lies???
You folks are phuny, nothing but personal insults and Bush bashing to excuse your man.
Really, other than giving to "go" on this, this administration has done nothing right. The liberal media will stretch it out for all it can though.
I give the credit to the folks that risked their lives to carry this out, not the politicians that approved it. If we are to give politicians any credit , both Bush and Obama as the intelligence gathered started years ago.
I just love generalization! This adminsitration has done nothing right and the prior administration has done nothing wrong???
Really -- If everyone would shut their mouth and open their eyes and ears, they would find that there has been plenty right and plenty wrong with both administrations. I think everyone would agree that Pres. Obama (who I did not vote for) inherited a horrible mess. No man on earth could have corrected it in 2 years, 4 years or maybe 10 years.
Congress and the Senate need to start working for the good of the American people (republican, democrat or independent) and stop working for the individual parties and THEMSELVES!
Someone above mentioned the I, I, I society. That is true not only of the American people but of the American politicians.
I dare say, what exactly has Obama done other than to spend our money. So much so that we're neck deep in interest paym'ts. He spent 2 years on a nationalized health care plan that witnessed by Europe, doesn't work and lowers quality of care. HCR is a mechanized spread-the-wealth 'control' instrument and he's already passed out over 1000 waivers to his union buddies. He took $2 BILLION of our money to Brazil for their oil exploration which employs their people, not ours. So again, what has he done? I know he's had a lot of 'face' time from Oprah's couch and flitting around campuses but as far as hardcore accomplishments, nada. With the Fed devaluing our dollar I wouldn't hold my breath any kind of recovery. Obama if indeed an academic which serves us not is not a high performer.
PatinSoCal
In NYC the Fox Station cut back to a Sports Talk Show (Or Sports News Not Sure which) while every other network and cable News was talking about what they knew at that point (That OBL was dead) before the President actually spoke. I am a Democrat but changed to Fox to see how they were handling it. Appalling that they did not stick with the story, I watched a few mins figuring this was some very short sports report but changed over to ABC or CBS to keep on it as it developed. I do not know when Fox went back to the OBL story, I did switch back to them after the speech but only for a moment.
I went to the internet a little after the speech was over and the discussions seemed to be just a rehash and speculation. That Fox did not stick with the story before the speech was either very poor journalism or Fox's anti-Obama bias. Or Both. As a Journalism major in College I was a bit disgusted by it.
Scary stuff regarding the partisan nonsense that streams from our media organizations.
I think the US needs to reinstate the laws that prevented a single entity from owning and controlling all forms of media.
Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner are both propaganda ministers, using their businesses to push their own business agendas.
Thanks to numerous SCOTUS rulings over the years, the media is now basically able to lie outright, what with the FFC's truthful broadcasting requirement considered non-enforcible!
I once heard a quote about nothing a human can invent that cannot be used for evil intent. I guess the idea is vigilance by those it can be used against. On a slow day at the WH, the long form BC should be trotted out again. It seems Obama and the executive and judicial branches have completely ignored America too.
A bounce at this point in the election wouldn't really amount to a hill of beans. However, Obama was the Commander in Chief when our military took out Bin Laden.
The republican politicians seem to be eerily silent or maybe there is too news to digest right now.
They're still trying to figure out how to work "job-killing" into their official statement on bin Laden's assassination.
hehehe...I'm going to go with a "Wag the Dog" explanation, coupled with a sour-grapes for flavor.
here goes...
Obama killed Osama Bin Laden to distract the American public from the turmoil at home. The Bush Administration knew where OBL was since 2007, but didn't act because it would damage our relationship with Pakistan and our Arab allies.
How's that? How long before this gets onto Fox News and reported as fact?
Kinda the opposite.
Remember, and it wasn't that long ago, when everybody around here hated enhanced interrogation and water boarding, and how it never, ever produced any reliable intelligence? Looks like it actually did.
But also during that time Bush and the gang kept saying that they were getting good info. But everybody accused them of lying and called them all kinds of bad names. I suppose they could have been specific, but they didn't, cause it looks like they knew it was going to be a long process.
Now we know it worked and the info came from Gitmo or the secret prisons in Poland and Romania [ the ones everybody kept calling for closure]. And apparently when Cheney and Bush were saying they were getting useful info, they were spot on.
Great job Obama - way to keep up with the policies, keep the prisons going and especially for making the call to go in with the Seal team. All great calls and and even better result.
So we can all stop with talking about closing Gitmo, the other secret prisons. And now we know torture workers and produces results. Good resuults. So will there still be calls for the arreast of Bush and Cheney as "war criminals?"
Should be an interesting next couple of weeks as people digest exactly how and from where this information came from.
Know what I find interesting?
Other sites have timelines of the attack, background- including the Fact that the name of the courier whose home it was was learned from "enhanced interrogation methods" used on KSM.
First Read is wondering how this helps Obama's re election chances.
So, tell me, kids, WHO is implying that this was done for purely political reasons?
Fox? Nope.
It is none other than the MSNBC cheerleading section.
Professional journalists, indeed.
No, Spanky, yesterday's results do not justify or vindicate or excuse any of the techniques used.
You don't think Hannity's going to mention it this evening?
Jeeze, just like a republican. Donald Rumsfeld goes on television with "facts" that he conjured up in his head and repubs just swallow it whole.
What a gang of gullible goobers.
Bush didn't go after Bin Laden because the Bush family has been doing business with the Bin Laden family for decades.
Why do you think that when every other plane in the United States was grounded after 9/11 the Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out of the country on a chartered jet?
They are all cut from the same cloth as George W Bush's grandfather who was censured in the US Senate for financing the Nazi war effort.
Don't know Noid, but it would appear that Obama disagrees with you.
Or at least he had no issue with using the very fruits of that you say is not justifiable. Either way you slice it, torture has produced results that all the democrats now appear to applaud.
Stunning if you think about it. Looks like they will now have to re-evaluate.
I've read several stories today about this and in not ONE of them did it say that the prisoner who gave the info had been tortured. You people who like water boarding must REALLY like it to think that every bit of info comes from it having been performed.
while BO would like to take all of the credit for the end to OBL, the only credit he deserves is maintaining the policies GWB put in place a few years ago to get OBL! He has done nothing positive other than that!
BO is very happy now that no endorsement for him will be forthcoming from Osama bin Laden who, as we all remember endorsed John Kerry about 9 years ago.
Da Noid Guess you were wrong about Hannity. Just watched his show and nowhere did he try to politicize the operation. In fact, Hannity called Obama' s decision a gutsy call and congratulated him for all aspects of it. All you FOX haters have to now acknowledge that while Hannity disagrees with Obama's policies he does give him credit when he does something right. By the way even one of your icons Rachel acknowledge President Bush receive credit for his role in getting the ball rolling so to speak. This operation was the culmination of 4 years of hard work and perserverance.
Sorry to inform you Spanky, but according to the FBI agent that interrogated KSM before the CIA got involved, all information gained from KSM happened BEFORE the waterboarding. KSM completely shut up at that point. Just FYI.
For all our sakes I hope Obama's "bounce" from the killing of Bin Laden is as short and fickle as the one Bush 1 got from the first Gulf war.
Whatever "political capital" the president gets from this pathetic affair (Osama Bin Laden's was a sick old man who was now largely irrelevant) will probably be used by him to ram through draconian cuts in federal spending that will put the nail in the coffin of our once large and prosperous middle class and could also plunge us back into a real Depression.
Who knows, Obama, who journalist Adolf Reed labeled a vacuous opportunist, might even try to further endear himself to Wall Street (after all the bail out money he shoveled to them) and go after SS and Medicare, possibly by privatizing it, which would be the same thing as destroying it.
Da Noid,
I like the conspiracy theory that Osama Bin Laden has been on the government payroll since the Russians invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
or could it be they are being 'respectful' of the moment? Please do remember that the intelligence gathering began on 9/12/2001 and continued. As members of the enemy were caught and interrogated, more intelligence was gained. So in essence, it has been a combined effort since the dirty deed culminating in the 'kill mission' which Obama should be applauded for the 'okay'.
I love the logic that because Bush said we should get BinLaden (Before he later said 'he was not all that concerned about him and did not spend much time on him') that Republican Partisans think that gives Bush credit for this. Uh Bush said 'Yea, we should kill him' and this is considered a landmark statement? I think 99% of Americans said the same thing--I know I did...so I guess I get the credit too.
Cannot Reps simply say Good Job Obama, Kudos to you, your Administration, the CIA and the men on the ground who executed the plan that Obama chose?
Or Maybe just Obama did good
Nah....
Give Obama the credit for all the work that so many other people did. After all, he snipped the ribbon with the over sized scissors. Oh Yeah, lets all forget the facts that he was a foreign college student, has a Connecticut SS card, and so much more, since he's making America stronger by proving he can get most of the world to ignore his citizenship.
There should be unity as stated above but: There should be no rejoicing in the death of a man, but this was an animal who killed innocent civilians! Unfortunately we are not safer now than before. There is no closure for those who suffered loss of life in the felling of the twin towers. This is not a death blow to Al Qaeda as long as there radicals in this world who would subvert a religion to their liking! Justice has been carried out by US "Special Ops" unit, and should be commended and there should be no questions about President Obama's legitimacy, but:
We are hearing from Brush Himoff and other detractors that Bush should get the credit because President Obama would "bow down and seek forgiveness", their words. Here we are in a post-dead-man-walking era and the naysayers spew their versions to the gullible masses in hopes of thwarting this "game-changer". Here's the real bottom line: President Obama got Osama! President Obama is president! President Obama approved the operation! All that is being disclosed today happened before yesterday! Our "Special Ops" guys did the work at the direction of President Obama! I served so that "WE" could all voice our opinions without fear of reprisals and there are those who will change the actual operation and credit given to justify their versions. There was only one side to this operation and it was "OUR OPERATION" with "OUR SPECIAL OPS GUYS" and "WE GOT IT DONE"!
God Bless the military for getting rid of him once and for all! THEY are the heros here! This isn't about Obama.
Too bad we didn't chop him up with a pig first.
God Bless the USA!
Well said...
Hey! Anita! We've missed you!
There's my GF!
GOOD to see you decided to play in the pit today!
Don't be such a stranger - I MISS you! *hugs*
Yes, our Navy Seals and military rock! But so does our Commander-in-Chief, President Barack Obama, who is the "decision maker" right now. So just get over yourselves and your #%$!! right-wing hate, and give our president some friggin' credit and respect. You conservatives have some serious problems. Try therapy or something.
Obama doesn't deserve any credit for this. Our Military is outstanding as it always has been, through good presidents and bad.
Obama can't disguise the facts. He is the worst President ever. Much worse than Carter.
Edward - you DO know who authorized the military to take action don't you?
Red,
Yea I just couldn't resist a mud fight this evening! lol!!! HUG to you too GF!!
It's been awhile - but it's good for the skin! lmao
I just love mud facials lol!!
I am not an Obama fan, however congratulations have to be given to President Obama for a gutsy call in bypassing Pakastani gov't and okaying the raid. In 98 Clinton notified the Pakastani's that they were going to fire a missile through their country to get Bin Laden, and guess what bin laden got away. Same with President Bush notifying these guys and Bin laden getting away. If anything went wrong Prsident Obama would have been absolutely smashed by the attacks. Congratulations to the U.S. Military and our intelligence agencies for conducting a near flawless operation with no casualties, congratulations also to President Bush and his team since this operation started 4 years ago (information from a gitmo detainee who had been subjected to enhanced interrogation{waterboarding}. It is a great day for the United States of America.
Anyone who cannot acknowledge the fact that Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama deserve congratulations and credit for perserverance in getting this guy is just posting on blind hate. Someone earlier said it happened a week or so ago why did it take the President so long well my guess is they were reviewing the intel they got back.
On another note O'Reilly interviewed Peter King on the factor, who congratulated President Obama and when O'Reilly asked if he knew about the raid, King replied no he did not and when again asked by O'Reilly if Obama should have notified Congress and Pakistan, his reply was No, President Obama did the right thing because he notified Congress one hour before he gave his speech on the death of Obama and the news media had the info within minutes of congress being told. So even Republicans believe President Obama did the right thing.
Congratulations to all involved in bringing Osama Bin laden to his final justice.
Since we are all in general agreement that while Obama deserves credit for maintaining Bush's efforts to get Osama.... lets focus on this debt thing for a while.... consider this quote from Obama made some time ago.... liberals like irony... how about this?:
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.’ Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.”
-Senator Barack Hussein Obama on March 16, 2006 criticizing the Bush Administration
Hiya Newday! I had a break in schedule due to weather took the opportunity to come in the mud pit! Ive missed you all so much!
True Patriot: Respect is given where respect is due and momentarily his 'okay' to the kill mission is given. Before and after that particular moment, respect for whom and why? Our deficit? Our Debt? Our no-oil campaign with $2 BILLION to Brazil for their oil exploration and jobs? Our Jobs? Our trek to becoming a bonafide Socialist nation? Or is it his golfing, baskets and hangin' on Oprah's couch and running around college campuses capabilities? Exactly what am I supposed to respect this guy for? He's destroying my country.
Rudy,
if you don't think that american presidents kill innocent people, and usually many more than died in 9/11, you're a very naive and uninformed person.
Wow Arch, what a statement, we supposed to just believe you huh? and move on too? A little data would make you look less like Obama as you "prove" people wrong. Naive is swallowing a document that has an editing stamp in its binary readout. and African as a race too. No Caucasians on the continent huh?
No facts needed for some people, but America is still spiraling as the executives get paid to choke the economy.
Richard is right...if this had failed the Right would have blamed it all on him...over and over. And they know it. But as it was a success many of the hacks refuse him any credit.
Earnest Lee Saddened: Wow Arch, what a statement, we supposed to just believe you huh? and move on too? A little data would make you look less like Obama as you "prove" people wrong
Ernest: Not that this will make any difference in what you think but here's just the last 10 years. Around 4 million were killed in Vietnam, many by U.S. bombing:
Wikipedia:
The Brookings Institution suggests that drone strikes may kill "10 or so civilians" for every militant killed.[10] The Pakistani military has stated that most of those killed were hardcore Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.[11] However Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik said "Drone missiles cause collateral damage. A few militants are killed, but the majority of victims are innocent citizens,"[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War):
Casualties of the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (beginning with the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and continuing with the ensuing occupation of Iraq coalition presence, as well as the activities of the various armed groups operating in the country) have come in many forms, and the accuracy of the information available on different types of Iraq War casualties varies greatly.
The table below summarizes some of the Iraqi casualty figures.
Source
Iraqi casualties
Time period
Iraq Family Health Survey
151,000 deaths
March 2003 to June 2006
Lancet survey
601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths
March 2003 to June 2006
Opinion Research Business survey
1,033,000 deaths as a result of the conflict
March 2003 to August 2007
Associated Press
110,600 deaths
March 2003 to April 2009
Iraq Body Count project
98,170 — 107,152 civilian deaths as a result of the conflict. 150,726 civilian and combatant deaths[1]
March 2003 to October 2010
WikiLeaks. Classified Iraq war logs[1][2][3][4]
104,924 recorded iraqi deaths, including 92,003[5] (or 66,081[6]) civilian deaths.
January 2004 to December 2009
First off Arch, you predict what I will feel. Bad move for your veracity.
Thanks for the data.
Now, could all that info be skewed because of anti war sentiment? Predict that for me too. America is sick for the bomb them/build them attitude that tanked our economy. Attacking tents and lean-tos is a bad habit America has. Then again, fighting a country that have no uniforms, lives in ammunition dumps with women and children, what else can happen? I have been an advocate of America saving American lives by NOT going to war to police the world. The side affect would be less data like that.
I said this much to let you know I do care about lives. And people that back up what they use as facts. Hence my insistence that KING Obama answer to the long form scam as well as the photo/video of the Osama raid. Release one graphic photo? They watched the movie, that Hillary got allergic to. No-one asked what was on the screen when she claims to have coughed.
I can see for myself what happened on the raid and where is a kid that hasn't played a video game that gibs the victims worse than any head shot? The parental factor should take care of kiddies seeing it.
Obama is unilaterally deciding to hide what we Americans need to know. The instant of the head shot can be pixillated. He wants the BUMP credit? Lets see the ZERO co-lateral damage video that prompted those faces in the DEATH STARE picture. The executive party is ignoring his unilateral decisions, and so is the judicial branch. Maybe he's hiding more than a sham BC. We will never know now, since hes had time to turn Americans on Americans so he can watch us debate. Transparency is vital, and missing.
Again, thanks for the data I requested. Again, try to avoid instant analyses.
I just raised these same questions...
When the crap hits the fan and the privileged Americans have to be further inconvenienced when retributions occur behind our President promise to get Bin Laden what will happen to his approval ratings?
We complain about how he's doing his job when we don't know that he IS actually doing better than his job. We need to stop being so wishy washy because that attitude has a congress in Washington that doesn't know their behinds from a hole in the ground.
I love the choice of the work "warmonger". How can any sane person call Obama a warmonger for taking over two wars started by President Bush and finishing the hunt for Bin Laden. Had President Bush spent more time following leads to Bin Laden, and not starting a war based on lies, he could have achieved what Obama just achieved.
Someone above wanted to talk ecomony, where would our ecomony be if we had not spent trillions on unnecessary wars? We would certainly have a few more dollars in the bank!
Obama does not deserve all the credit (just credit for having guts enought to order it) and had it failed, he would not have deserved all the blame, but want to bet what people would be saying?????
I applaud both comments-- yet still raise quite a few questions of my own; for instance...
Why didn't the Bush Administration accomplish what President Obama has done in eight months?
Why am I so appalled by the fact that the Bush Administration used 911 to benefit his friends to the point that our economy became a free-for-all?
He didn't give a damn about the families of 911, he showed up at the sight following the tragedy, made a lying speech, invaded Afghanistan, left troops there without proper ammunition and marched into Iraq where the OIL was no weapons of mass destruction....
Bush doesn't deserve ANYTHING except responsibility for damn near destroying this nation and the world economy. Whatever was broken before he took office he should repaired instead of allowing this nation to be raped.
...buck ofama
rosco,
I know you are willing but I don't think Obama is interested.
Anita: you might consider that we couldn't bring in the enemy by taxi. We had to find them, get them to Gitmo, interrogate them....it's called "Gathering Intelligence"......this compound thing began in 2004. And we couldn't go over and knock on the door for resident verification. So as much as you'd hate to admit it, it took a conserted effort for Obama to give the "Okay" (which I appreciate) but none the less, it takes the ole' proverbial 'time'.
Ignorance is a BLISS...I see that you're BLISSFUL...LOL...LOL
ANNIRICH;
I don't care for the smoke you're attempting to blow up my butt-- nice try but please cut it out because its downright uncomfortable!
I was wondering about a parallel between this event - with many crediting both Obama and Bush for its success - to Carter and Reagan and the Iran Hostage Crisis.
Thoughts anyone?
Its true if the operation failed the republitards would have carter'd him. There is no way for the GOP to spin this as bad news for Obama. He is NOT a Carter that is for certain.
I would say that the aytollah and the iranians played it quite well. 1st in illustrating that carter didn't have the backing and political posturing to go after the hostages held in Tehran. 2nd that if reagan hadn't won the hostage release would have dragged on and on because of carters perceived weakness.
One could even say that a hostage situation will always play out differently than an attack taking nearly 3000 lives in the continental US. Hardly an apples to apples comparison
Need to remember, too, that Carter was crucified when the hostage rescue attempt failed because a sandstorm screwed up the 'copter engines. Somehow, that got turned into 'Carter failed". These same people now want to point out how it was others, and NOT Obama that made the Bin Laden 'caper' so successful.
I was part of that rescue, and all of our senior officers were told by both Senior enlisted and junior officers that we needed a few more days to prepare the equipment for that particular mission. They either didnt want to tell the CIC that or he ignored their warning! Its funny and coincidental with this mission, since the non team that preformed this mission so well was formed just after the failure of Mr. Carters attempt.
Well tell the whole story. Carter let our military slide. Finally, talented, well trained people who would have made the military their career, left in droves for a better life. This included helicopter mechanics. The result is your typical lack-of-a-nail story.
Aaahhhh, the Iran contra deal.........
realamerican You can blame republicans all you want but if this was a failed raid resulting in casualties the democrats would have crucified him as well. Price you pay for making the big decisions. By the way from all I have seen and heard FOX, MSNBC and Congress the overall comments were what a gutsy call by the President and it did take guts to risk all on a 50/50 intelligence analysis. AS Congressman King commented on O'Reilly and no favorite of the liberals at FR Obama kept it quiet from Congress and only a few in the administration knew of the op and that was a great move because when Obama notified Congress about an hour before his speech on bin ladens death, the media had it within minutes and had he told congress the media would have reported it before it happened and he'd still be alive.
dbo other than people on this site most of the talking heads at MSNBC and FOX as well Congress are all in agreement that President Obama gets credit for a very gutsy call but there are others involved that deserve credit also for this making this operation possible. The beginning of this was started 4 years ago and piecing everything together over the years made this happen. No sane person disputes this and those that do are as I stated earlier doing so on blind hate.
I think it bears mentioning, that Obama called both Dubya, and Clinton (Bill), to tell them what had transpired. That action in and of itself shows he wasn't trying to take all of the credit for himself. Otherwise, why bother making the calls?
realamerican: hate to differ, Obama did good on this; I appreciated his "okay" to go get the sob, at the same time, he's worse than Carter.
President Obama's performance as Commander-In-Chief in the operation that killed Osama Bin Laden was sure-handed and decisive.
If the President demonstrates the same competency in dealing with the other formidable challenges facing his Administration, he won't have to worry about the amount or duration of the boost in his job approval numbers related to the handling of the operation that resulted in Bin Laden finally being brought to justice.
Going forward, his "bounce" in the polls related to the death of Osama Bin Laden isn't going to matter much.
He did what most Americans would have hoped any U.S. President would do under identical circumstances.
I was going to say pretty much the same thing. Gas prices and unemployment are still going to be the most important factors. It's still the economy, just like with George H. W. Bush going from 90% approval after Gulf War I down into the pits by the time of the election due to a bad economy. Bush also was punished for going back on his "no new taxes" pledge, but I'd actually give him credit for political courage and for acting responsibly in the best interest of the country despite the political cost.
I think the President already HAS demonstrated competency, and deliberation and maturity in dealing with a host of problems. Were it not for naysayers within and without his party and distractions like the birth certificate, and a crippled world economy, the positives would be even more apparent.
Don't hold your breath. He can't demonstrate competency in dealing with formidable challenges. He is incompetent. America now knows that, and will elect a REAL President in 2012.
Republicans don't seem to have any real candidates at the moment. None of them are inspiring..
-Romney- dull. Pawlenty- Nobody knows him- Bachmann- Crazy- Trump- Superficial. Palin- Unqualified in any capacity. Gingrich- Adulterer-
See my point? Collectively, the only appeal any of your candidates have is that they're not Obama. That's not going to be nearly enough.
Frankly, I was leery at first, but I've come to like him over the past couple of years. He's smart. Pragmatic. Not perfect, but he's doing pretty well considering the imperfect world he's having to navigate.
I'll be voting for Obama in 2012.
loggle:
I will be voting for Obama "again" in 2012
If you think about it loggie, wasn't Bill Clinton like a "nobody knows him" in 1992? He helped fix the recession that GHWB left the country with, and that recession is probably the main reason Clinton got elected, and he was rewarded with a 2nd term. Sounds crazy, but it does kinda jive.
The Dems have give us no choice but to vote for anyone not named 0bama. THe man is no leader and doesn't have a clue about how to do his job. He didn't screw up the CIA and militaries killing of bin Laden and for that I give him credit but he certainly doesn't get a 2nd term for staying out of the way in a military operation. He has screwed up Egypt and Libya where he was the one actually making decisions.
felden: I think the President already HAS demonstrated competency, and deliberation and maturity in dealing with a host of problems...uh...how so? High unemployment, we're broke both with deficit and debt, our dollar is worth nothing, he's put all the gulf coast people out of work, he's padded his union buddies' pockets, he's invaded government into literally damn near every aspect of our lives, he's poured money into 'green' which is a spread-the-wealth campaign from the UN; and Maturity? He has NO RESPECT whatsoever for the office he serves, when he speaks to the American public it's patronizing and with total disdain.....uh..I ask you again...how so?
annirich;
You are living in a delusional world; just keep peddling that bs and assist Trump to run on the GOP ticket because from the reading of your comment; the two of you would work well together.
I think annirich is delusional and her self esteem is nonexistent.
Ursula-279622
Seems from what I've read, Carter was on the phone until he had to go to the inaugural ceremonies trying to end the crisis and did all the heavy lifting. Reagan got all the credit. In this case Bush made the promise and actively pursued Bin Laden in 2 wars...lets not argue whether we should have been in Iraq or not. Obama kept the promise that Bush made.
Mmmm...I'd have to disagree about the Iraq argument - had we not diverted our attention from Afghanistan, perhaps Bush would've gotten his man.
Obama made a promise when he ran and that if he had actionable inteligence in any country he would go get Bin Laden with or without permission. The other canidates called him naive for that. :P
Ursula-279622
Mmmm...I'd have to disagree about the Iraq argument - had we not diverted our attention from Afghanistan, perhaps Bush would've gotten his man.
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Our military had Bin Laden cornered in the caves of Bora Bora but we didn't have enough troops to close the back door into Pakistan and box him in. We let him slip into Pakistan. he stayed in Pakistan for almost 10 years. There was no intelligence cause Bin Laden lived without phones or internet, etc. No footprint.
Ira - the iranians played it for all it was worth. Sure reagan got the credit because his election was a political game changer and he knew how to posture.
Don't forget that reagan also buffaloed the soviets into believing that the US had a viable "star wars" defence plan. Soviet spending to come up with their own plan just hastened their demise.
Good call on osamas MO. As for tora bora seems that the weak link here was the validity of the intell. Was it beyond the shadow of a doubt or not?
american-2051576..
With respect to Bora Bora...we had him dead to rights but not enough boots on the ground. Not blaming anyone...just lousy luck.
LMAO.......god sometime shyt is just too funny! My step father was stationed during WW2 on the Island of Bora Bora (Tahati) Not a round was fired off that island even though it was armed to the teeth. I think you meant Tora Bora. lol
"Our military had Bin Laden cornered...but we...let him slip into Pakistan...for almost 10 years. There was no intelligence cause Bin Laden lived without phones or internet..."
Ira, you contradict yourself - if we had no intelligence on his whereabouts for the past 10 yrs, how do you know he was in Pakistan all that time?
It was all over the news today. He was apparently hiding in plain sight in this town in Pakistan. The house he was killed in was built 3 years ago and cost 1 million US dollars. Imagine what it cost in Pakastani dollars. All this and the Pakistan military and military intelligence ignored it.
jollyoldsoul1...
Thx for the correction. You're my hero. Did your correction change the facts.
No......but since all the liberals I have daily contact with both here and in person all have the same are about them...... Smug, intellectual and well to be honest elitist. So when one of you makes such a glaring I feel its my independent duty to point it out. I hammer the right for things they do also, its just that currently, you liberals are just funny! Shalom Ira!
This is the way I remember it too. Thanks, Ira.
Because of this one incident, Carter has been unfairly derided ever since. This overshadowed Carter's significant peace efforts in the Middle East, particularly with regard to Egypt and Israel. Carter was in many ways a man out of his time.
jollyoldsoul1...
That's shalom Ira....Sergeant..USMC...2 tours of duty in Viet Nam...Purple heart, bronze star, asshoxx...or did I take that wrong.
Wow, I sound like I ate paint chips for lunch! I meant air!
Nice to meet you Ira, Petty Officer 1st class 10 years with a naval weapons team! 69-79 We laid the destructors along the Mekong!
jollyoldsoul1
Welcome home and nice to meet you. I'm pretty sensitive about that stuff and I don't take it lightly. Again, welcome home.
According to a former British Intelligence officer that was with the troops at Tora Bora, we had Bin Laden on 3 of 4 sides and there was a big shootout. Bin Laden was actually shot near his ankle (didn't specifify which one). Apparently, some of the guides the NATO troops were using had ties to the other side and a cease fire was called. The agent then claimed that Bin Laden was helped into a humvee with some of his entourage and started off toward Pakistan. I don't remember the guys name, but his recounting of the story at least sounded genuine. It would be hard to verify since I wasn't there. Food for thought.
I think Obama gets the nod on this one for no other reason than those people that work for him managed to keep all this information and planning underwraps until the deed was done. There were no leaks, no media attention, no backstabbing, no tipping off of Osama or his group. Obviously this shows the great level of confidence and commitment Obama's team has in his abilities and his directions.
Wonder if assange was pissed at this "lack of transparemcy" lol!
I'll think about his " abilities and his directions " the next time I fill my gas tank oppie !
( Will be filling it with cash that would have gone to the democrats )
Well you might also want to think about what you expect the President of the United States to do about gas prices comes from the mid-east (course you must be a Trump fan: just scream at 'em and they'll be soooo scared over there at OPEC, they'll just lower the prices, right?) If you were really serious about it, you'd be looking to Congress to make it illegal to speculate on oil and gas prices. There isn't a politician on the planet that's going to touch that one...
Haha Rory, resign? Your timing couldn't be worse. But nice try.
And, Rory, who would you suggest he be replaced with?
Wait, are they trying to say that the fact that Osama was killed while Obama was in office will help him win votes? So there are actually people stupid enough to believe the President had something to do with this operation the military has been working on for 10 years? God help us, if this is true, we will have idiots running our country for an eternity. Here is a news flash for you...our fine men and women in the MILITARY deserve credit for killing Osama....PERIOD!
The only credit Obama deserves is that he was lucky enough to be President when Osama was caught. Nothing more. I do give credit for Obama's administration keeping their big mouths shut for once and not leaking this inforamtion. Kudos!
The military are the heros here. God Bless them all!
Now, Obama, get the troops home because you know Al Q is gonna retaliate. Do you have the balls now to protect the USA???
Your posts are exactly why I posed the question at the beginnng of this thread. Already back to the same crap on the Dems/Obama sux thread.
Isn't President Obama Commander-In-Chief of said military?
...at least last I checked?
Sorry, but if anything on during this operation hit the fan you know that President Obama would have been handcuffed with ALL of the blame. I think he deserves a little more credit than you give him, sir.
What 96ws6 and Vote mean to say is congratulations to OUR President for a job well done.
Vote Dem Out......you lack balls altogether!
He is correct although Vote tends to piss you liberals off. The people who first deserve credit are the JSOC team and the planners. Mr. Obama deserves credit for saying yes when military planners came to him and said We want permission to go into a sovereign nation and kill a person. Thats all he deserves credit for. I know all the liberals want to toot his horn and thats fine but only for what it is!
What jolly means to say is how much he admires the President for giving the orders for this operation to commence.
"jolly",
Let's try it this way...
If this mission fails, folks like you and "Vote" and "96" are howling for one of the following today...RESIGNATION or IMPEACHMENT. Like it or not, he is CIC...if you are going to demand that he shoulder all of the blame for a failure perhaps you owe him more than your lukewarm congratulations.
Tell us this, Jolly:
IF Osama had gotten away during a botched attempt to capture him, who would be the big headliner on Fox? Any gueses? Any at all??
Jolly, et al: Who do you think assembled the team, in the White House, the CIA and the military, that planned and negotiated and implemented this mission? The President.
Who do you think waited for the right time, managed hot heads, encouraged patience and deliberation? The President.
Who do you think dealt with the politics and the constant political bickering at home while cooly threading this strategic maze? The President.
Whose word was the final switch to set it all in motion? The President's.
So, yes, President Obama deserves credit for his part in this.
Baloney,
"President" Obama couldn't plan a three car funeral. He has no experience in these matters. This is not "community organizing" this is real. For him to try to suck up credit for this operation is disrespectful to the Military who planned and carried out this operation.
...and you KNOW he wasn't involved because...?
Edward: maybe you don't understand how a democracy works. See, here, the military doesn't just take off and run a covert strike force of their own accord. That falls to the commander in chief. Now obviously, you have the great misfortune to be on the losing end of the election that put THIS commander in chief in office, but that doesn't change how the game works. It's his decision. (and as others pointed out, bet you'd be first in line to yell for his impeachment if this thing hadn't worked.)
Se just huw much of a joke these people are. Gas prices are up blame Obama, unemployment rate is high, blame Obama, we have storms, hurricains and tornadoes, blame Obama, BP spilled oil in the gulf, blame Obama. He coordinated a special ops team to capture or kill bin Laden, they had three different ways to do it and he was considered "gutsy" by the team to choose the one they used. But, he should not take credit. He was attacked from the right when he killed the pirates, then it was wrong and his fault, even though he did not pull the trigger. He also took responsibility for it.
Bush should be credited after he said this....."I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002.....
Like Carter who got the raw deal, while Regan did his Iran contra deal.........
Hey drive-by,
Fox didn't even cover the story in Los Angeles. KTTV channel 11 ran the Simpsons the entire time this story was "Special Reports" on every (literally) every other station.
They didn't even cover the story. Who politicized the event???
Murdock and his cronies are the worst.
PatinSocal It was all over Fox news maybe not local but the national station covered it in it's entirety.
Thank you Obama for following Pres Bush's doctrine on terrorism. Thank you for changing your stance on Gitmo, terrorist trials etc. We are at war, not play time. You are learning and that is a good thing.
Thank you Pres Bush for your resolve and moves that set this whole scenario into place. Even Obama started to follow your lead. Even MSNBC gave you the credit for this great kill today.
Thank you at the highest level to the defense dept.
Rory,
Well if you are just playing tit for tat.....go right ahead.....of all that, you can only defend gas prices......maybe you now want to play....patty cake, patty cake.....not interested.
Bounce will be big and long lasting. All the way to November 2012 and for four more years of a steady even handed administration that looks after you and me, keeps us safe, kills our enemies and manages to do it all while joking around with the press!
"These decisions, keep me up at night! Well done sir, well done!" Obama. April 30, 2011.
Nice dream...but it won't happen.
It got him off the campaign trail for a day. Big whoop.
Well said Anna...
Should it be 'Vote Dat Man Out', instead of 'Vote Dem Out"?
LMAO........ God ana do you sleep with an Obama poster over your bed. Michelle might not like that.
The bounce will last as long as it takes before you need to buy another tank of gas.
Right Rocco,
Nothing takes the smile off your face quicker than a $100 fill up of Obama gas.
The right is dying for him to be a one term President because they are dying to take credit for his accomplishments, since we all know that things usually fall in place after the first 4 years.
Uhhuh, like Carter right, lefty?
You said it..........................
It's the "He takes care of us" that very well might get him elected. Just look at the lunatic fans, and see why he's so loved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T__t2EygPkQ Louis Farakhan; what a loon!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM
I see why he's so loved, and why you folks love him so.
I'm not a statistician, but I'll bet one could come up with a formula that establishes the relationship between changes in the President's approval rating and the shrillness of the lies being told about him by folks like Donald Trump, Fox News, etc.
It is called conspiracy theory. CT for short.
Regardless, don't curious minds want to know?
Was it a conspiracy to note that the FOX affiliate in LA didn't even air the story live? A lie, huuuuge lie of omission.
This shows that FAUX knows this will help Obama's approval rating. Judging from the true "spontaneous" celebrations going on around the country, as opposed to the FOX generated tea parties, it will be a lasting bump.
Rory, people like you have to call him names and try to put him down like a true far right loon. I know you have learned that if you accuse others by lying, it will make you feel better about yourself. How is that working out for you?
The humongous debt, gas headed to $5, food so expensive Spam will be considered gourmet, unemployment STILL horrendous, NO REAL energy development here at home,....this stuff scares the crap out of me way more than Bin Laden ever did.
Yes...it's been a good day but three words from the Prez..."go for it" will not hide the fact that we are in some serious s##t here at home.
Actually, things are turning around, though not the pessimistic mood of the people of the world (I say "world" because it's not just the U.S. struggling.) The price of gas is frighteningly high, though it appears to have levelled off. Bernanke stated in his conference that is will go down, but we'll have to wait and see.
What's remarkable is how resilient the American people are, and how important public mood and attitude is. We saw the stock market make a rebound today just based on the Osama news. There is no reason to think that this great, unexpected news could change the mood of the American public and increase the recovery.
er. stocks closed down. Yes Americans are resilient, but those who choose to vote are no fools and I think what you say is valid ..
Give it 6 months and see where we are!
Right Beev,
Tell the guy who has been out of a job for the last two years, who has lost his home, and maybe his marriage what a Great Leader we have in Washington. Tell that guy on the street how much the economy is improving. Then stand back, way back.
Hey Edward,
Maybe you should not stand next to 9/11 survivors. You know, the ones who were told " I don't know where he is, I just don't spend a lot of time on him" by your liar-in-chief. Mission Accomplished" by Barack Obama.
With Bin Laden alive, you may not have had the chance to buy the $5 gas or gourment spam!
Talk to the families of 9/11. The victims would welcome the chance.
I had been in the towers for a meeting exactly 1 week (to the hour) prior to the event. I still shake when I think that my meeting was moved back a week because of an executive's vacation.
I think God every day for that and am glad to be alive. While I am not happy to buy $5 gas, I live in Texas and the real thanks goes to Bush and Cheney (raking in the profits from Haliburtan and that Texas oil).
While the Donald and Sarah Palin are worrying about birth certificates and the President's thesis, it is wonderful to see our President being a Commander in Chief and doing a great job!
19 months is an eternity in general elections.
why celebrate Obama if he had it his way it would never happen. his military advisors are the ones who convinced him to let them finish it. give the military their due respect. let Obama deal with his war Lybia..
What bonks and The Beev mean to say is congratulations Mr. President on a job well done. We are so proud that you are leading the U.S.
And you know this how? Were you sitting in on this too?
I agree thanks should go to Pres Bush for this great kill.
Even MSNBC came around today and stated it was Bush's footwork and network that set OBL up and then knocked him down.
Credit goes to Obama for finally learning that his predecessor was correct. It is no wonder that Obama changed his stance on Gitmo, and terrorist trials.
Bounce? You don't take on a project this gutsy for bounce. You do it because it is the right thing to do, and the President is both gutsy and honorable for having the courage to give the order to TAKE OUT A MURDERER IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY! And at the last, Osama the coward, hiding behind his wife, what a piece of garbage.
Doesn't matter, for the Birthers and the Bonkers President Obama can do nothing right, I can hardly wait to hear The Donald stating he wants to see the Death Certificate (long form) before he believes it. The media will hang on his and Palin's and Bachman's every word, notice so many on the right gave the credit to Bush, really, the guy who said "I don't really think about him much or care where he is", and so it goes. Today is a great day for ALL Americans, doesn't matter which way you vote, but there are those that just can't get pass that now aren't there!
Why not give him a set of air tanks, a location and he can see for himself.
The vast majority of comments on this page are an embarrassment to our nation and the brave Men and Women who protect it and carry out extraordinary acts like killing Osama Bin Laden. The downfall of our nation is those that worry about BEING RIGHT and not worry simply about WHAT IS RIGHT. Who cares who gets credit? How about the guy who pulled the trigger inside a compound not knowing if he was going to live or die when he dressed for battle that morning.
Well if people read all the detailsl and realized the Intel and program to track down Osama came from Bush area.... But hey presidents take credit for their others work all the time.
GimDan, if Bush could've gotten the job done ... he would've - so I'd say something's changed in intelligence and execution in the past two years.
Wow. What does a guy have to do to prove to you he is the worst president in our country's history, besides running us financially into the ground worse than any of his predecessors ever thought of put together!
As far as Osama goes. Obama was just jonny-on-the-spot when the spec. ops and information community closed in. He just happened to be the pres. who got to be there when it happened.
Shawn - sounds like if it was bush, the special ops and intell that nailed osama you would be singing bush's praise, right?
Regardless, osama is gone and others need to be gone as well, this whole affair is far from over, no matter who is CinC.
Shawn, Obama was President when this happened. He made the decision to go forward. President Obama will benefit from this. Deal with it. This the conservative's worse nightmare. From the time President Obama was inaugurated, you right-wingers feared this moment more than just about anything, save for the economy improving. Now you and your ilk are hoping like crazy that the economy will tank, because this can't do anything but boost the President, and if the economy takes off, well...say goodbye to Repub prospects in the WH for 2012. In fact, you'll see Repubs scurrying for the exits. Seriously.
This will not be a very long-lived bounce. The debt crisis isn't going away. I'm sure Obama welcomes any distraction from the real problems facing us. Many that are his creation.
You are talking of course about GW aren't you. You know the recognized "worst president ever" The one under who's watch the economy crumbled. Revisionism is rampant in the Republican party.
Bonks
As much as some people hate to admit it, Obama was fully in charge on this. He promised during the campaign that if he found out where Bin Laden was hiding, he would capture or kill him. He was the "decider" who decided not to use stealth bombers to blow up Bin Laden's compound and to use special forces instead. If he had taken the less risky alternative and just blown the compound to smithereens, the US probably wouldn't have gotten the necessary evidence to prove Bin Laden's death and would probably would have inflicted serious casualties on civilians in the area.
And his administration managed to keep this whole operation quiet for two years. Obama and his staff resisted the temptation to prematurely release any information at all about it after being taunted for two years by the likes of Liz Cheney for being "weak" in fighting the "war on terror." Sometimes not saying anything in response to schoolyard taunts is a sign of strength, and Obama showed his strength in that respect.
Yes! Well said, Houston.
Huston......they can't handle the truth.....well said....
Hey Lizzie,
How's that crow taste?
Obama has a problem with the "I" word. He takes credit for the capture of Bin Laden, but we all know it was our troops who should get the credit. He wants to take credit for this because he knows it will get him more votes when it comes to for the election. Wake up America.
You're lying. Obama claimed absolutely no credit, although he certainly deserves it for the leadership he's shown.
Patricia - I watched obamas initial press release last night, he gave credit where it was due from bush to the cia, the military and the pakistanies. I don't recall him saying that he did it all. Seems that you are falling prey to the FR fools stupidity in saying that it was all obamas doing for the demise of osama.
BTW - This still won't mean I will vote for obama in 2012, but most here on FR already know this.
Yep, the Tea/Birthers are still trying to get their negative talking points lined up to include 'job-killing, 'government takeover', 'massive (fill in the blank)', 'backs of our grandchildren'.....blah, blah....and spin, spin!
Chilled, And you can bet those talking points won't include Draconian, robber barons, koch brothers, radical, extreme, destroy the middle class, or racism.
Agree "newdayDAWNING." Our President did the right thing, as he has been trying to do since he was elected, without any respect at all from Republicans, Tea-Baggers and racists. I am not a Black Woman, however, I am a Woman who is extremely proud of the President that I voted for. The contenders for the Republican party are nothing but a disgrace and a joke. They all have no class form Palin, to Trump and the rest of that group. Having President Obama makes me proud, makes me feel like we have class and respect and grace. These others do not know the meaning of words such as respect and grace. If a REpublican President was on the clock when this happened we would never hear the end of it from the dumb big mouths such as Palin and Trump. Please America, let's continue to show the world that we have class with our current President. The strong, silent types are best and the world knows it and sees it. The loud mouth gun toating racists out there scare me much more than anyone else. I will say it again, I am proud to be American because I am extremely proud of our President, Barrack Obama. Let's start to show our class and strength led by example from President Obama. Yes, this was a leaders decision, as he has many, and I will stand by my President because I believe in his intelligence and his character. God Bless America and God Bless our President. Thank you, New York Tax Paying Woman for many, many years.
Yep,Disgusted Woman it takes courage to do the right thing, not knowing what the outcome will be. It reduces it to a joke to say anything about a bounce.
President Obama will get a big poltical bounce from the, orders he gave to the military to, go forward with this operation. It is the job of the President to, listen to all information given, and he is responsible for hiring good people to do operations like this. The military takes all orders from the President, and not the other way around. The CIA is responsible for all information given to the President, and knowing how to define this information. This President is able to focus on all aspects presented to him. He in intelligent enough to ask difficult questions, and demands correct well thought out answers. This President knows very well his moral responsibilities, and is clear in all objectives that need to be completed. This President gives the orders that could cause the death of many of our military individuals. He had beter be correct! This President sets his goals in a well thought out order, and sticks to his guns. This is fact America. Way to go Mr. President! Keep up the good work!
here is hoping that that bounce will take him down to the nearest ditch and off the road. One success does not mean re-election.
Obama does read a teleprompter as good as anyone.
American-2051576,
I don't think so because the majority took a hell of a beating with thisdisaster of the recent tornado's. That being said...Tuscaloosa is strictly Republican territory and God definitely has a way of fixing thing...doesn't he?
If The Republicans start screwing around with FEMA funding for Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia, they may as well tuck their heads between their heads and kiss their butts goodbye.
They need the President now and he has already gotten things under way here he will be re-elected with no problem.
You need to learn to spell "beter" ahem, that's better. Before you can join the super duper elite smart guys club!
Thank you to our military first and fore most.
Secondly thanks to GWB. Your doctrine on terror, Gitmo, etc. Your dedication to getting this murderer, your foot work, plants, and leeds, lead us to OBL. Great job. Even MSNBC lauded their approval of your work.
Thirdly thanks go to Obama for learning that Bush's doctrine was correct. His stance on Gitmo and terrorism works. I am so glad you have learned the importance of Gitmo and the Bush's doctrine.
Look up schadenfreude if you'd like to understand the feeling that people on the left experience at watching the knots people on the right are tying themselves into to avoid acknowledging Obama's superb handling of this operation.
purnell - obamas part was in saying "yes" to the operation going in by helo. The superb handling was done solely by the well trained and well supported soldiers that took part in the operation. Obama didn't train them, figure out logistics or develop alternate plans.
Bush left a mess that he had no intention of fixing with video caption of those remarks stating that he wasn't interested in Bin Laden-- there is also 10 years of proof.
If Bush was such a good A$$ President then he would have used the same RESPONSIBLE military intelligence and military expertise to accomplish this act without placing our nation in fear; and running UP THE DEBT to trillions.