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After Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker’s move to strip public employees’ collective-bargaining rights, the state finds itself in the middle of a historic and unprecedented wave of recall efforts.
Today, the Committee to Recall Robert Cowles submitted over 25,000 signatures -- more than the required 15,960 -- to the state’s Government Accountability Board, becoming the ninth recall drive of state senators the board is reviewing that could eventually trigger a recall election. Of the nine, six target Republican state senators like Cowles, and three target Democratic state senators.
They are:
-- Robert Cowles (R-Green Bay)
-- Alberta Darling (R-River Hills)
-- Sheila Harsdorf (R-River Falls)
-- Randy Hopper (R-Fond du Lac)
-- Dan Kapanke (R-La Crosse)
-- Luther Olsen (R-Ripon)
-- Dave Hansen (D-Green Bay)
-- Jim Holperin (D-Conover)
-- Robert Wirch (D-Pleasant Prairie)
So far, of the 16 state senators eligible for recall – they must be serving in office for at least one year – three recall campaigns failed to collect the required number of signatures. The failed three were aimed at Democratic state senators.
Government Accountability Board spokesman Reid Magney said the board could rule on the two earliest petitions efforts – against GOP state senators Kapanke and Hopper -- as early as May 17. If there are enough valid signatures, that would trigger a recall election.
But Magney cautions that the board would most likely delay ordering an election until it rules on all the other petition efforts, which means the recall elections probably won’t take place until the fall.
“This is a historic effort and shows that Wisconsin is not taking Scott Walker sitting down,” Graeme Zilinski, communications for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, said.
“It’s caused people to get really engaged and we think that’s fine,” said Ryan Smith, chief of staff to GOP state Sen. Cowles. “And while Sen. Cowles looks forward to defending his record, no way did I think he’d have to this soon.”
Both Democrats and Republicans admit the recall efforts amount to a statewide referenda of Gov. Walker’s policies. But Republican insiders like Smith remain confident in the wake of this powerful democratic uprising. While liberals flocked to the polls in the state’s recent Supreme Court election -- which the conservative candidate appears to have won, though the margin was closer than would have been expected three months ago -- Smith said they would struggle to turn out that many voters again, especially in Republican strongholds.
Smith called the Democratic opposition “passionate” but predicted they would struggle to rally around candidates, because they are energized by the cause – not the name on the ballot.
An example of this kind of passionate voter is Suzanne Haines.
She got involved, collecting signatures to recall Cowles, after she drove down to Madison and saw the thousands of people rallying for union rights. Haines is not a union member, and claims to NBC News she’s “never even had so much as a sign” in her yard before now. But Haines feels that Walker wrongfully attacked collective bargaining, and that Cowles’ support for those measures means he needs to go.
Still, Haines said she has no idea what Democrat she would vote for in a special election. "I don't know names," Haines said. "I don't know who would run. But there is so much motivation right now in this community to get the government back and do what's right for people in this state; I think someone will step up and run."
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This is getting out of hand. It is okay maybe 1-2 but these people were already elected. I thought that is what elections are for. At least that is what the Liberals are always chanting.
I guess everytime we have elections and someone wins they are going to endure this silliness when a vote doesn't go the way the opposite party likes.
I wonder if any of these signature collectors work. They sure as hell have a lot of time on their hands.
Elections have consequences. Recalls are one of those consequences.
IntheMiddle, TX
This is getting out of hand. It is okay maybe 1-2 but these people were already elected. I thought that is what elections are for. At least that is what the Liberals are always chanting
Now the Liberals are always chanting Recall Recall Recall Recall.
The people spoke and you're not listing.
Yup, IntheMiddle, TX
What comes back goes around
ITM- Either by the vote on election day, or the votes via 'recall', the PEOPLE selecting their representation are still the ones making the decision.
You have a problem with that, WHY??
ITM,
It is getting pretty pathetic, huh?
The libs can't deal with the election so they run and hide.
They bring in the big unions, go all in to win the Supreme Court election - and still lose.
The unions have evidently decided to make Wisconsin their Gettysburg. But they are losing ground day by day, week by week in state after state. There will be more battles, unions will even win a few ........... But the tide has turned.
America now knows what the unions are all about. Their hay day is over, it's just a matter of time.
When they are all Re-Elected then what will the Liberals and Union Cry about ... They already lost a Wisconsin Supreme court Elecition.............
Yes the End of Liberal/Progressiveness in this country is coming to An End... When Unions no longer have Government Monies to support them how will they Survive..
Am I to presume that we will be reading similar stories of such goings on in Massachusetts?
Well, probably not on First Read.
ITM and bob just don't get it. The people elected Republicans to address jobs and the economy. Instead the Republicans have done anything but. You heard Ryan himself say that going after the union did not effect the state budget shortfall or the job market except to add to the unemployment figures. And you wonder why the folks are going after them? Why shouldn't they and why should they wait four years for another election cycle when a recall will do it faster?
And ITM, what business are you in today?
And nojo, yes indeed. When politicians perform just the opposite of what they campaigned on, to the extent of the Wisconsin fiasco, then regardless of party - they need to go and go in a hurry.
Recall them all.
So what, when you got the democrats in Mass. passing the same laws as those EEEEVVVVIILLL republicans did in Wisconsin who cares?
Hey Pat - is Duval a terribly horrible person like Walker? Is Duval in the pocket of the Kochs?
You libbies starting to realize this is just the way it's got to be from now on? I hope not, cause it's way more fun when up fight, and have your tantrums.
You know like the tantrums the dems had. I just wonder if the dems in Mass will run away to Vermont when that law passes.
Good times, right? Unless you are on the tit, then no so much.
Where's the OUTRAGE?
I am over here in Boston, Massachusetts, protesting in the halls of the capitol for public workers to have collective bargaining. As the police, from the police state, move towards me, I look around waiting for my friends and comrades to come to my aid. I do not see Feisty, Bev, Navy, or Pat. I look these monsters in the face, knowing that I alone am standing up for the working man in Massachusetts.
I have called upon my brotherin to help. But my voice cannot be heard over the sounds of dogs and stomping police boots. Please my liberal friends, come to my aid, they are about to grasp my hands & arms, leading me out of the building. Saying we don't allow people like you in here. I ask, is it because I am male, they say "no". I ask, is it because I am white, they say "no". I ask, why then am I being treated this way,--Sir, it is because you are conservative. I bow my head and "say a little prayer for me".
I will report soon from my cell block, if they allow me to make my 1 phone call.
Wisonsin is only the first place where recalls will take place. There's a bill backed by thousands upon thousands of petition signatures now in the Florida House to extend recall to statewide officials. Gov. Rick Scott is the principal target - and more than a few GOP state solons are as disgusted with Scott as are Democrats in the state.
The GOP ultra-right only damages the party further with every extremist step it takes.
Big Bear,
Why post the same comment 5 times?
Here's a pretty interesting take on Dan Baltes, the Utah man whose American Patriot Recall Coalition was behind a number of recall efforts targeting Wisconsin Democratic state senators.
The story is in the Deseret News, from Salt Lake City, Utah. It reports complaints about Baltes from conservatives who have had dealings with him, and it also reports that Baltes is not his original name. He's really Daniel Arthur Elliott, the story says.
The story also says he spent 10 years in the Idaho prison system from the mid-'80s to mid-'90s for grand theft, forgery and writing bad checks.
Three of his recall groups missed their deadlines to file signatures this week. One against Sen. Mark Miller (D-Monona) may or may not still be current. But the coalition is connected to a group targeting Sen. Julie Lassa (D-Stevens Point).
One other note about Baltes' coalition: It hasn't filed campaign finance reports for any of the state recall campaigns with which it's associated, even though deadlines for doing so have passed. Scott Noble, the local coordinator for the Lassa recall, has said that the coalition has paid for advertising in that area.
it's all going down......just because teabaggers can't differentiate between ideology and reality.
FrankH,
Well Walker is the Governor and he seems to have a pretty good grasp that when it comes to unions - it always costs money.
Whether it is for another bene such as insisting Viagra is added to their health plans, which costs the state millions, to not evaluating teachers based on their student's test scores, which costs millions in lost federal money to giving teachers time to take leave for union activities which costs money for more substittutes.........everything the union wants costs money - one way or another.
The other thing is that unions are a moral crime.
In the Supreme Court election, almost 1.5 million voted. That means that roughly 750,000 citizens had a portion of their tax money confiscated and used against them. They cannot chose to not support their political opponents by boycotting / not paying their taxes.
Nothing but a moral crime against democracy.
Spanky, is English your first language? Or do you have difficulty with the keyboard? Possibly, if you could construct complete and correct sentences, just MAYBE we "libbies" would take your thoughts seriously. In the meantime, we will give you a pass until you can successfully complete a remedial English class.
We "libbies" do not believe all Republicans are evil, by the way. The Republicans who are evil are those who want to strip workers of their right to assemble peacefully, and their right to unionize. We also have doubts that those Republicans who wish to withold health care from the elderly and less fortunate will find a place in "heaven". They will be somewhere else in the afterlife, along with the other Republicans who have their noses up every woman's womb, who sit in judgement of gays and lesbians, and who believe everyone must be an ignorant bigot in order to be an American. Hell is going to be very crowded, filled with "good Republicans".
RECALL. Walker, after you get a year in, you will be next to go.
Brother Dennis,
If it posted 5 times, I am sorry, I was being dragged from the Massachusetts Capitol and keep hitting send.
By the way, wouldn't repeating the same thing over and over again on here be called a "feistbevy":)
As you know if you're following the recall efforts in Wisconsin, many of the the petition drives to recall democratic senators are being organized by a group from Utah. They have posted the state mandated recall filings as, variously, the American Recall Coalition and the American Patriot Recall Coalition and they also had to register a conduit called Americans Against Immigration Amnesty, LLC.Dan Baltes of the American Patriot Recall Coalition, is pushing the efforts on the ground in the eight districts represented by Democrats The man behind the recalls is accused of grifting conservative and Tea Party groups in confidence scams across the country, most recently in Phoenix and Pima County.
The Greater Phoenix Tea Party is accusing Dan Baltes – a.k.a. Daniel Arthur Elliot, according to the Idaho Department of Corrections – of running a scam known as the “Main Attraction,” where he promises a big name speaker – in this case, Glenn Beck – in exchange for VIP tickets costing $350 per person, but doesn’t deliver. just another CONservative thug.
That's just TODAY - he posted the same thing about a dozen times yesterday!
Him & the NJ nut job are desperately trying to turn this into some kind of BIG news... lol
Anything to divert attention from the baggers & birthers!
Don't take the 'bait'! ;o)
Big Bear,
By the way, wouldn't repeating the same thing over and over again on here be called a "feistbevy":)
No.. Only if you copy and paste it from a leftwing Hate blog.....
And there it is in a nutshell.
When a republican does it, it is a problem, when Democrats do it, there is no problem. Thank you Feisty. You have just shown the entire world that you don't care about everyone, just those of your political side. You would rather rule the airways with degrading people of different political agendas than yours, yet when the exact same thing happens in your party, it is not news.
If you have a conscience, pleae feel free to argue against the loss of collective bargaining in Massachusetts.
Yo Magnificent - I presume yo are new around these parts, cause you can bet your bottom dollar on a few things:
1. I have a very limited grasp in English. In fact for me and my friend Bev. are ESL graduates;
2. I am grammatically challenged;
3. Pat, Feisty, Bev and many of the regulars around here [ MSNBC so we got about a 20 to 1 libbie to conservative ratio] do hate republicans. In fact Pat has flat out said as much;
So let's put aside your silly religious overtones and talk about Mass. Why in the world are the dems there taking away the unions rights?
Oh and since you brought it up are they going to hell as well?
bob-1805084
Your post is so full of inaccuracies it's laughable.
The insurance companies, at the request of pharmaceutical manufacturers decided to offer Viagra, the union didn't ask for it. Check it out and then ask yourself why? Maybe so the drug companies could make more money?
I'm in a union and I requested that none of my dues got to promote any political party which all unions offer. Can I be sure it doesn't? Hard to say, they invest some money and are free to use the resulting interest as they see fit. Not sure I would object anyway.
Moral crime? Something that stupid doesn't even deserve comment.
Birthers and the people obsessed and after the birthers.
Feisty and afterbirth.
How poetic.
So Feisty ....... what's for dinner ........ and breakfast ....... and brunch ....... and lunch ....... and snacks ....
BigBear,
Your are no more in the Massachusetts capital being dragged anywhere than you are a genuine poster on Newsvine. Your masters, the Kochs, thank you for your blind service to their bidding. You are highly thought of for now. Once all the unions get busted and you pay higher taxes and get no insurance in return then they will ask for your service once more. This time to clean their toilets for $1 a day alongside your children. Again the Koch brothers thank you for your service.
SPANKY
I'll offer english lesson 101 for free.
Steve-505729
Big Bear,
By the way, wouldn't repeating the same thing over and over again on here be called a "feistbevy":)
No.. Only if you copy and paste it from a leftwing Hate blog.....
Actually it's called diverting attention from the truth just like that crazy nut job Birther Orly Taitz who laughed like a hyena when Lawrence O'Donnell kicked her off air .
You Stevie-o are crazy because you say the same thing over and the most you get for your craziness are collapses posts.
Birther Orly Taitz has been doing the same thing over and over for 2 years or so. Like you she gets rejected.
Great Pius, when so we start, and how can we get Bev. to join?
Hey AnaB - are Duval and the rest of the dems in Mass. also loyal Koch subjects?
Gosh, it really must kinda hurt to see your silly little Libbie narrative bite the big one, right AnaB?
Say AnaB I work in a profession that has almost no unions, yet we seem to do ok. You got any explanation for that?
If my income was in any way tied to someone else I'd be pissed.
I know - "live better, work union."
no joe - your right massachusetts is a changing too. legislature is about to limit the welfare debit card use no more booze and scratch tickets food only.....imagine the horror, the racism.
FrankH,
Everyone just giving away free drugs .... .doesn't cost the state anything ....... the evil pharmaceutical and insurance companies just want everyone happy ...... free boners for everyone.
Obviously you do need to have someone take care of you if you believe that.
I don't know about your situation or what union, nor do I care as long as it is private sector in a right to work state.
Regardless, public unions are a travesty for the reason and the very example I cited.
You did not refute that - and you can't if you have any semblance of common sense and respect for the citizens of Wisconsin.
Seems like the G-NO-P didn't keep the signers liqueured up enough.. Smile :-)
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL - #2.1
Thumbs up ^.... smile :-)
magnificent50 - Why do you start off with a insult?
I am a firm believer that you should not allow public workers to unionize. If you want to see what happens when you let unions come in and take over just look at California.
All they want is tax increase with no concessions of any kind.
The unions have molded a California in which government workers thrive at the expense of a struggling private sector. The state’s public school teachers are the second highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life. Meanwhile, what was once the most prosperous state now suffers from an unemployment rate far steeper than the nation’s and a flood of firms and jobs escaping high taxes and stifling regulations.
Spanky-
Yo Magnificent - I presume yo are new around these parts, cause you can bet your bottom dollar on a few things:
1. I have a very limited grasp in English. In fact for me and my friend Bev. are ESL graduates;
2. I am grammatically challenged;
You are more than grammatically challenged. You're mentally challenged. Anybody that asks as many damn questions as you do and answers a question with a question has to be crazy.
Oh and since you brought it up are they going to hell as well?
What's the matter you want a little company down there?
Speaking of liquered up...
Remember this one Rixar13?
Nothing says 'famly values' quite like the baggers & birthers! ;o)
Bev,
Listen hear you RACIST I challenge you to show a Post where i have Ever Challeneged where the President was Born YOU HATEFUL SCUM OF THE EARTH >> Just because you say something its not true as a matter of fact most of the things that come out of your mouth is a LIE. but thats something to expect from. "PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND". Yes i said "PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND" Sick RACIST HUMAN..
magnificent50
You'll get used to Spankers friendly but demeaning insults. He always has questions but no answers and then like a deer in headlights he will deflect and reframe your question back at you.....PS he claims to be a lawyer. He must take a real beating in court. I would hate to be a client. Just tell him to STFU with his silly little rants.
PSS...Him and Bob et al love to demean the girls on here like Feisty, Bev and AM (must make them feel manly) but they just call him/ his buddies out and stick their foot up his azzz
Steve-505729
Bev,
Listen hear you RACIST I challenge you to show a Post where i have Ever Challeneged where the President was Born YOU HATEFUL SCUM OF THE EARTH >> Just because you say something its not true as a matter of fact most of the things that come out of your mouth is a LIE. but thats something to expect from. "PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND". Yes i said "PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND" Sick RACIST HUMAN..
Wonderful,
Would you marry me Stevie-o ? I doubt it. You are not content unless you are doing the work of T-baggers who wish to be separatist and cowardly racist.
You’re brown and I’m black. What makes you think the slave boat didn’t drop your forefathers off in North or Middle America? Unless your forefathers are not from the periphery of Mexico you have no business ranting relentlessly about me playing a victim or being a racist. You see at one point in our lives we all have to learn to me tolerant of those unlike us and live with other.
Fortunately, for me my parents didn’t raise to ascribe to racist views; while at the same they taught me not to let anyone didn’t disrespect me.
Learn something about the beauty of diversity. Pay special attention to the images Santana uses in the background.
Santana - Jingo [HD] - Live at Ottawa Bluesfest - July 14, 2010.MP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVq36oSVXaQ
Santana married a black woman twice. He has passion for peace, love and harmony. Maybe you should try it.
Babatunde Olatunji Jin-Go-Lo-Ba (Drums of Passion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYhFyF8dvU4
This is special to me because as a teenager I did a dance recital off of this. That's right my parents paid money for me to go to dance school.
Let me hear you holla..
Bev,
RACIST SCUM of the EARTH
Like i said before. I have been Called more names by Black people then any White Brown Yellow or Red person has ever called me. and you are proof of that. Never have i ever denied that the President wasnt a US citizen Never have i ever Gone to or attended any Tea Party Rally. but you call me a birther and a TeaBagger .. YOU RACIST SCUM.. Pathetic
Steve-505729
I forgot to add
I wasn't speaking of you challenging the President's birth specifically. It is the T-bagger madness you do.
You need knowledge.
Know thy self... Renee Descartes quote
Peace
Nice Job Rick! You have perfectly pegged them to a 'tee'!
What I find fascinating is how obsessed they are with us! lol
Strong, Intelligent Liberal women do indeed drive them bat sh!t craaazeee!
Bev.
Still calling me a TEABAGGER.. YOU RACIST SCUM
Steve-505729
Bev,
RACIST SCUM of the EARTH
Let me get this straight; you call me scum of the earth after I asked you to marry me?
Did you even watch the video? To keep you from scrolling I reposted the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVq36oSVXaQ
Did you at least try to learn something?
Bev,
No i woudln't marry a RACIST. dont you get it. YOU ARE SCUM
"Say AnaB I work in a profession that has almost no unions, yet we seem to do ok. You got any explanation for that?"
Uh, My name's not AnaB, but if I get a guess, too, I guess "billing clients for hours spent on line being a dick weed."
So let me get this straight:
We're allowed to be up in arms about Wisconsin, because the GOP were the party largely responsible for the budget bill that stripped state workers of their bargaining rights...but we make no mention or sound of the situation in Massachusetts because those who've done there what was done in the northern midwest are Democrats?
Hypocrisy. I call shenanigans. Normally I don't like to point out the stark alliances to ideology so many on FR have, but I'm inclined to agree with BB's assessment of the situation. Feisty and the whole lot of you would be screaming bloody murder if even a tenth of the media coverage that Wisconsin and Gov. Walker received were applied to MA.
Bev,
RACIST SCUM of the EARTH
Like i said before. I have been Called more names by Black people then any White Brown Yellow or Red person has ever called me. and you are proof of that. Never have i ever denied that the President wasnt a US citizen Never have i ever Gone to or attended any Tea Party Rally. but you call me a birther and a TeaBagger .. YOU RACIST SCUM.. Pathetic
But you repeat their talking points. There is a cliche I remember quite vividly about the body being a temple so don't have to go to church to pray.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he...Proverbs chapter 23 verse 7
Bev,
You RACIST SCUM ..... . If Anything what i said in this post is what PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND say. Not people of my Kind. But i Feel it Neccessary to POINT OUT your RACISM . I know you dont like it but one day you will LOOK in the MIRROR and see that you are really NOTHING but a RACIST SCUM
Come on Drive by, again with the name calling?
You can do better.
So which is it, you live in Wisconsin so advocate for its public unions OR you don't and have to ignore the goings on in Mass cause you cannot frame a response?
Drive By, other than calling me a name can you respond? I bet not.
Steve, I just wanted to let you know I don't hate you because I'm a racist; I hate you because you have a tiny penis. <3
Exodite Dragon.
I dont Care how you feel about me. What i do Care about is that you have been Peeping in my Window
But At least you Admit you are a Racist..
"If my income was in any way tied to someone else I'd be pissed."
OK, then- it looks like you are saying your 'clients' don't pay you. I'm not surprised, though, I guess.
Steve-505729
Bev,
You RACIST SCUM ..... . If Anything what i said in this post is what PEOPLE OF YOUR KIND say. Not people of my Kind. But i Feel it Neccessary to POINT OUT your RACISM .
Correct, you kind are racists, t-baggers, union busters, religious fundes, republican dictator governors, Koch addicts .
I know you dont like it but one day you will LOOK in the MIRROR and see that you are really NOTHING but a RACIST SCUM
How's the view of the sideshow your mirror reflects of the republican circus whom you call yourself?
I don't get that reflection in my mirror. I'd have to go to a republican town hall meeting to see a clown(s). You don't you are one.
That question was rhectorical.
"So which is it, you live in Wisconsin so advocate for its public unions OR you don't and have to ignore the goings on in Mass cause you cannot frame a response?"
Say- you really ARE dyslexic, aren't you, Minnie? I did NOT 'advocate' for the unions OR against them. I said 'it's for the people to decide who they elect to represent them'.
Sheesh- and you wonder why anyone would call you a name??
Bev,
YOU RACIST SCUM there you go again. Thinnking I believe in RELIGION YOU ARE A PATHETIC EXCUSE for a HUMAN so far you have called me a Birther When i never questioned the Presidents Citizenship..
YOU RACST SCUM . You have called me a TeaBagger when i have never been to a Rally or Supported a Tea party Candidate. YOU RACIST SCUM..
YOU RACIST SCUM You have called me a Religious Fundie. when i dont Beleive in RELIGION . YOU RACIST SCUM
YOU RACIST SCUM you just like to ACCUSE . YOU RACIST SCUM.
And it is YOU YOU RACIST SCUM that Quotes Bible Scripture. YOU RACIST SCUM so i guess its is you that is the RELIGIOUS FUNDIE. RACIST SCUM
DBO I'm starting to think you really are just a silly sparkle monkey that cannot deal with the obvious downward spiral of you libbie narrative.
Or can you articulate a difference beteen the evil Wisc. law and the assume Mass. law.
It really is just about red and blue, eh, DBO.
Deep thinking is not, apparently your boat.
Wow! Most painful thread to read ever. Utterly pointless.
In reply to the opening post -- Elections are for voters to show support for campaigns. If candidates go beyond what they campaign on, then the recall is a legal option, and that option is needed in this case. In other words, as a Republic we depend on representation, so a "bait and switch" cannot be rewarded. This is the main difference between health care and what happened in Wisconsin. Democrats campaigned on health care reform. Got it?
That more Republicans are being targeted with way more signatures then Dems, and add to that other elections either going to a Dem or very close, tells us a lot. The people didn't want this over-reach.
State Senator Randy Hopper was granted a 10-day extension to challenge signatures on his recall petition. But any re-election campaign may be complicated by tales of an extramarital affair with a young woman who just got a state job - even Hopper's estranged wife wants him recalled.
Many constituents were furious at Hopper's support of the bill: He campaigned as a union-supporting family man - even sporting an AFSCME T-shirt in a campaign photo.
He's been viewed as particularly vulnerable to recall since allegations of an affair with a 25-year-old former Republican aide hit the Web, spawning a new nickname, "Randy Bed Hopper."
Gov. Walker recently hired the alleged mistress for a state job with the Department of Regulation and Licensing at a "substantial pay raise" over her predecessor, the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported.
Even Hopper's estranged wife supports his recall, captioning her Facebook profile photo with "Recall Randy Hopper
A Colorado man with a felony record is accused of swiping a backpack from Lambeau Field while collecting signatures to recall Democratic Sen. Dave Hansen of Green Bay.
The man was working for the Republican Party on March 17 when he took a backpack and coat containing keys and cell phones belonging to a couple who had been taking pictures at Lambeau Field, according to a Green Bay Police Department report.
According to Colorado records, the man has been charged with a number of crimes in his home state, including driving under the influence, domestic violence and felony assault and was found guilty of felony drugging a victim in 2008
Wow. In a sign that Wisconsin Democrats can still claim momentum in the recall wars, Dems today filed the signatures to trigger a recall election against a sixth Wisconsin GOP state senator — and this time, they filed an astonishing 166 percent of the number required, the highest yet.
Graeme Zielinski, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Democratic Party, confirms that Dems today filed 26,524 signatures supporting a recall election against GOP senator Robert Cowles, out of 15,960 required. This is the strongest signature showing by Dems yet: Against five previous GOP targets, Dems amassed signatures in the area of 140 or 150 percent.
This, despite the fact that Cowles’s district is a Republican-leaning one. George W. Bush defeated John Kerry there by 15 points, 57-42. Obama did beat John McCain there, but only narrowly, 52-46, and Cowles didn’t even have a Democratic challenger last time around.
There are other signs that Dems have the momentum here; For one thing, GOP organizers fell short in signatures against four Dem targets. While there will all but certainly be recall elections against six Republicans, currently officials are examining signatures for the recall of only three Democrats
Bev,
YOU RACIST SCUM there you go again. Thinnking I believe in RELIGION YOU ARE A PATHETIC EXCUSE for a HUMAN so far you have called me a Birther When i never questioned the Presidents Citizenship..
YOU RACST SCUM . You have called me a TeaBagger when i have never been to a Rally or Supported a Tea party Candidate. YOU RACIST SCUM..
YOU RACIST SCUM You have called me a Religious Fundie. when i dont Beleive in RELIGION . YOU RACIST SCUM
Get a grip Stevie-o. I'm saying you act like them ; even if you are not one of them; same difference though!!!.
I am really hoping Scott Walker and the rest of those lying bast$$rds get recalled,especially Walker, I want him to fall apart when they kick him out on his a$$. I feel sorry for his family having to live in shame because of their father is a total jerk.
About Mass. I am sick, I`m from Boston originally and I never thought I would see the day when democrats in Ma. would go against the unions.
bev
you pathetic racist religous fundie scum
@ Steve-505729 and Beverly in Chicago...
I would like to point out that your back and forth hate fest is exactly what is wrong with this country. Everyone is so polarized by their beliefs that they are inherently correct and that anyone who does not share their views are misguided, incorrect, stupid, or EVIL, that they are literally BLINDED by their own hatred for the other side.
If you want to really be constructive, and help this nation, stop flinging your hatred at each other. This country was built on the ideas of great men, with huge dreams and aspirations. Those great men, and what they stood for, should be our guides to what needs to change.
Those great men would roll over in their graves if they could see the nation as it is now. We've fallen so very far from what made us great, and unless people like you two can stop FIGHTING each other and find a way to COMPROMISE, we as a nation will NEVER be great again.
Lmao! It could only happen on FR - no monitors to enforce newsvines CofH. Amswers the question of why many FR posters won't post outside of first read
Yet Steve is the first to start whining when his posts are collapsed. Chang your language and attitude, you will get more respect.
On Wisconsin! I take pride as a neighbor in MN. watching you stand up against tyranny. We learn from your example, and good luck recalling those Republicans that have sold you out to the highest bidder.
Actions... also have consequences!
Thank you WI for standing UNITED!
Next up, Weasel Walker...
That, Feisty, will be interesting, and I wonder if this will cause a chill on the war against the middle and working classes in this nation?
This is good news for the people of Wisconsin.
So Jody, NewDay how you all feelin' about those dastardly democrats in Mass.?
They are horrible people, right? NewDay, does it appear that the "war" is being chilled in Mass.?
And Newday - you had a full hissy fit when Giffords got shot - all that horrible language, yet here you are talking about a war. Did you forget, or just a total hypocrite?
Where's the OUTRAGE?
I am over here in Boston, Massachusetts, protesting in the halls of the capitol for public workers to have collective bargaining. As the police, from the police state, move towards me, I look around waiting for my friends and comrades to come to my aid. I do not see Feisty, Bev, Navy, or Pat. I look these monsters in the face, knowing that I alone am standing up for the working man in Massachusetts.
I have called upon my brotherin to help. But my voice cannot be heard over the sounds of dogs and stomping police boots. Please my liberal friends, come to my aid, they are about to grasp my hands & arms, leading me out of the building. Saying we don't allow people like you in here. I ask, is it because I am male, they say "no". I ask, is it because I am white, they say "no". I ask, why then am I being treated this way,--Sir, it is because you are conservative. I bow my head and "say a little prayer for me".
I will report soon from my cell block, if they allow me to make my 1 phone call.
What about California, the unions are driving our state right over the cliff.
theotas: Native CA here, going back a few generations. The problems that CA has originated with one Howard Jarvis, (R) who cared so little about CA that he sent it over the bridge and into the sea. Only the truly gullible believe otherwise.
How long has it been since you lived in California? It must have been awhile ago.
You are referring to Proposition 13. Pro 13 forced local governments to manage their finances better — that's reason the initiative had such overwhelming popular support then and now.
We needed to do something about reckless spending.
Actually, I am there often. Wouldn't change anything if I weren't, facts are stubborn things, This is directly the result of the right wing Republicans in CA. Your blindness and partisanship notwithstanding.
BigBear62
Where's the OUTRAGE?
Well BB there is but this is nothing like Wisc. i.e :
Under the compromise, unions and the communities would be required to discuss any changes during a 30-day period before adjusting a health plan, but ultimately the community has the final say on features such as premium and deductible splits.
So cut the mock "Outrage" crap, the unions aren't being stripped of their rights like in other states.
www.wbur.org/2011/04/27/mass-house-votes-to-limit-union-bargaining-rights
O NewDay you are so, so silly. Prop 13 saved the very poor and fixed income folks you profess to support. Property taxes just kept rising, which forced many out of their houses.
Now you either know that, or are bieng dis-honest. And really NewD just how many republicans are there in the Cali congress? You do know it is not a majority right NewD?
Cali is everything you progressive wanted. But alas, it's not doing so well with those policies. How, ummm, shocking.
What are the facts newday?
Proposition 13 has saved California taxpayers $528 billion so far, that a fact. By eliminating Proposition 13, politicians could easily increase property taxes on every homeowner, that's a fact.
You speak of partisanship, now that's funny coming from you.
Spanky, totas
.... every policy has two sides.. .like in the case of proposition 13...it helps maintain a lower tax rate for people who already bought homes - essential to older folks; while at the same time can be devastating when situations like the 2006 bubble occurred.
If proposition 13 weren't available in the state of California... it won't have had such negative effect on the housing bubble and the recession would have been limited -since housing prices would have been better regulated (since people wont be able to afford those property taxes, and demands would be lower and then housing regulated in this region - which will then not affect the rest of the country). My 2cents... and yes, I lived in CA most of my life.
And immediately cost the cities money for supportive services like fire, police etc. There is no tax fairness in CA in which is the outcome of the bill. That and the referendum process, which makes it impossible to govern, due to the ease in which special interests can get things on the ballot. If you support that system, you are a fool.
Tundie please explain the relationship between Prop 13 and the bubble. Prices had nothing to do with property taxes - when you buy a new house the tax rate adjusts up to the purchase price.
You do understand that right? How many properties have you owned? And FYI I pay far less on my Arizona house than I do for any property in Cali. And while the rate changes in AZ, it is always about 1/2 of Prop 13's ceiling.
So Newday you got anything on that? I know I'm just a fool.
NewDay I don't suppose you could even begin to explain what you mean by "tax fairness?" Why is it that I suspect you have never even read the IRC, let alone the Cali tax code?
But hey NewDay - please do not let your ignorance stop you from these great and insightful comments.
Spanky,
Most matters on earth tend to be very simple... you just have to look for the information. The problem is that you are not looking at my point from every perspective.... you are looking at a prism that fits your vision.
You asked me to explain what proposition 13 have to do with bubble (house prices)? Ok, here I go... proposition13 says that the maximum amount of tax increase in any given year is 2% regardless of how much the house prices went through the roof. This rule ensures that most people who already bought homes in California would be able to maintain that home (noble reason)... no matter how much the price of the house is now worth.... the average property tax rate in Ca is 1.25%, ... , so if the price of your property went up to $400k, you'd have to shell out $6k in prop taxes.... and if $800k, you'd have to shell out $12k...most people wont be able to afford this in CA... and thus tempered demand. But since proposition 13 curbed taxes, that little simple thing increased demand - as people weren't forced out of their own as a result of higher property tax... so the only people who would have paid the higher taxes are people who are just buying homes... and they bought those homes as the mass hysteria about homes becoming more than they could afford.
Everything in Engineering, Medicine, Science, Business & real estate work with something called equilibrium, homeostasis, state of peace, ying, yang, nirvana, dynamic stability.. .this just means that everything works in synergism... and when one of the points of equilibrium maintenance is disturbed...the end result is either a damped stabilization (negative feed back) or an exponential instability (positive feedback). And in the case of bubbles, the result was an exponential instability (bubble - as house prices went through the roof), while the point of equilibrium was proposition 13.
Another example is that a table needs 4 legs for stability, when one leg breaks, there's a chance for instability... while proposition 13 served to stabilize prices..."I BELIEVE" that it played a key role in driving house prices up in Ca. I've explained it here... and if you disagree, please do so... and I'll try to respond to you later.
And oh yeah, I've owned 2 homes now... and studied the housing markets across America.
Recall, baby, recall!!!!!!!
It could have all been avoided if only the Republicans would have been honest with their campaign issues. Serves 'em right. I don' t know much about 'cheese-heads', but I'm beginning to think they sure as hell aren't as dumb as their Republican politicians seem to think they are.
Hey...didn't Walker say during the campain he was going to do all the things he's done and still got elected.
I dislike the man and his politics but this is more of case of buyers regret.
I wonder Drive By, what did the democrats in the Mass. House campaign on?
Are the Mass dems dumb Drive By?
See there buddy the states cannot avoid the inevitable crush of their individual deficits and debt. Drastic action is needed, and being taken.
Bu not out here. We here in Cali got solid dem leadership. We of all the states are seriously kicking tail. Awesome, right?
He said it was a possiblity and that it could save $154 million dollars. A possibility means that you are looking at several alternatives. But after the election, one out of many possibilities became the only avenue to save money and that was going after the unions and putting people out of work.
Where's the OUTRAGE?
I am over here in Boston, Massachusetts, protesting in the halls of the capitol for public workers to have collective bargaining. As the police, from the police state, move towards me, I look around waiting for my friends and comrades to come to my aid. I do not see Feisty, Bev, Navy, or Pat. I look these monsters in the face, knowing that I alone am standing up for the working man in Massachusetts.
I have called upon my brotherin to help. But my voice cannot be heard over the sounds of dogs and stomping police boots. Please my liberal friends, come to my aid, they are about to grasp my hands & arms, leading me out of the building. Saying we don't allow people like you in here. I ask, is it because I am male, they say "no". I ask, is it because I am white, they say "no". I ask, why then am I being treated this way,--Sir, it is because you are conservative. I bow my head and "say a little prayer for me".
I will report soon from my cell block, if they allow me to make my 1 phone call.
FrankH, Louisville,Ky
He said it was a possiblity and that it could save $154 million dollars
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He was a Tea Party favorite and he said it was a possibility. Just the fact that he said it was possible at all under any circumstances would have decided for me that I would never vote for him.
Good point Ira
Spanky-
"I wonder Drive By, what did the democrats in the Mass. House campaign on?"
Whyncha' get on the blower and ask THEM, instead of bothering people on here that do not live or vote there?
Better yet- stow it, Minnie.
No one gives a rat's ass what you think or wonder, I'm guessing. Anyone else want to throw in on that one?
dbo:I NEVER care what poor spanks says, in fact I never read him. Too tedious.
What's the matter Drive By, Mass screwing up your narrative?
Or is it you do live in Wisconsin? Did you move recently? Or maybe EVERYBODY here lives in Wisconsin? Huh.
Whack goes the mole.
And really NewDay - it's no surprise that you are not happy when your silly hypocritical ways get called out, again.
I'm with you d-b-o,
Sanky only posts like he does to feel some slight measure of self importance. Next, I'm sure he'll be ragging on Chargers.
Guys see my post above on Spanker.
#1.36 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
Pretty accurate, Rick, thanks!
newdayDAWNING10
Pretty accurate, Rick, thanks!
Anytime NDD. These repubs on here like Spanker are rude and crude although they think they are being so cute. LOL...What's funny is the girl's give it right back to them and they deserve that and more.
Man, you have sussed this out! Yeah, I am one of the girls, and we just don't put up with it, but we do recognize our friends, of which you are one.
Gosh, guys. Lookit all the votes 'Minnie' got!
You go, my big Hutaree Hunk, you!
That is so sweet you all pretending this a popularity contest.
NewDay, you say you ignore, but we both know that you, like my pal Drive By and my new buddy Rick just can't help but get you some Spanky.
But please enjoy your popularity on this anonymous board. Oh my!
I do note that all this love is coming on a thread where your little narrative got exploded. Or did I miss where any of you huge and deep thinkers even attempted to address Mass., or compare and contrast its anti-union bill with Wisc?
Other than DBO - who inferred that he lives in Wisc, which is why it and not Mass. is important to him.
You guys are the best.
Spanker
Keep up...
#2.10 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:36 PM EDT
I did not advocate for or against unions in Wisconsin OR Mass. I advocated for the people electing their representatives, either in the 'normal' elections, or in subsequent 'recall' elections, if they are held.
I think Thursays are Spankies "get-out-the-bottle-I'm-taking-the-day-off" days.
You got me DBO, it is happy hour time. :)
If this is a reaction to a Tea Party favorite, I'd go to plan B if i were a GOPer. Couple this with the Maine Governers willingness to reduce child labor laws and allow children to work at $5.50 an hour and the overwhelming majority of Americans who say stay away from my Medicare, could be a real problem for the GOP. I don't recall if the Republican leadership has come out for Walker...not Palin or Ron Paul..Huckabee, Romney, Boehner and the like.
Folks Wisconsin has done their job now its time for us to Recall/ Clean Up The Congress of The U.S. Less "Recall" Every Senator & Representative who lied or is simply too lazy to stand Up for the American People, the time is Now! 18 States have Recall laws on The U.S. Congress it's time to make history and let these folk in Washington know we are tired and we are not goingn to take it any more. Less Get To Work!
The 18 states allowing for Congressional (Senators &
Representatives) “Recall” are as follows:
Alaska,
Arizona,
Americans have not taken advantage of these laws in the past because its felt that it's hard to get rid of those 30-40 years folk sitting in congress taking up space now sending our economy into obivilion
Where's the OUTRAGE?
I am over here in Boston, Massachusetts, protesting in the halls of the capitol for public workers to have collective bargaining. As the police, from the police state, move towards me, I look around waiting for my friends and comrades to come to my aid. I do not see Feisty, Bev, Navy, or Pat. I look these monsters in the face, knowing that I alone am standing up for the working man in Massachusetts.
I have called upon my brotherin to help. But my voice cannot be heard over the sounds of dogs and stomping police boots. Please my liberal friends, come to my aid, they are about to grasp my hands & arms, leading me out of the building. Saying we don't allow people like you in here. I ask, is it because I am male, they say "no". I ask, is it because I am white, they say "no". I ask, why then am I being treated this way,--Sir, it is because you are conservative. I bow my head and "say a little prayer for me".
I will report soon from my cell block, if they allow me to make my 1 phone call.
Big Bear62--- Too bad about having to do jail time, watch your back and remember to vote for your own self interest next time. Unless you are in the richest 1%, why would you vote for the for Republicans? Just because Fox News tells you to?
A day without a cut and paste from June, FL is like a day without orange juice. Thanks!
I believe most states are doing this ... i know several are trying to set term limits in both senate & congress of 2 year terms and 2 terms in a lifetime .. and a set caped salary of 35K no benefits and no retirements !. Are getting it on the ballets.... ...this is how we rid ourself's of these "BUMS? Another interesting idea being floated is get rid of senate & congress and hire salaried employees ...imagine that a government you cant bribe ...the employees can't seek or accept outside compensation ! This gives the people equal playing fields the insurance..medical ...etc all will have competition with each other !
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federalism has again removed an entire states sovereignty.
regardless of your political affiliation, do you people realize how dangerous this is?
How is it Federalism when citizens of a state are using the rights given to them by that state? And if its dangerous its only to the politicians that are playing the same all game.
We have had enough of this same old same old crap and if it takes some serious tree shaking to make some needed changes - well we can afford to lose a tree or two to save the forest.
frank, if you honestly believe it was the actions of the state executing its rights, then you have my pity. the last time the country adopted the attitude you proposed of loosing a tree or two, over 600,000 citizens died.
sir, please consider: if we had a conservative Executive, backed by entities with power existing now with unions. Consider if they manipulated a state to recall a liberal, but constituionally elected state legislature, would you recognize the influence and danger of federalism?
surely you must recognize what happened as dangerous, when put in this scenario.
mitch j - Good point! Anyone who would like to see what happens when unions get to much power just look at California.
mitchjk, how many times did you use "if" in your posts. Sorry. not credible to me.
And I would love to continue this but if I don't leave now, I'll be late for work. Two more days of the late shift and then it's back to days. Good nite gentlemen.
Way to go Wisconsin! Next year recall the Governor!
Go Democrats! Let's let the "Party of the Rich" know that we are done playing games with them. I have been to the peaceful demonstrations in Lansing, Michigan and they are getting larger every time.(Last one 10,000 people) We are letting the RepubiCONS know that we are on to their plan to redistribute the wealth from the bottom up.
The way I read this, petitions have been signed. No recalls yet. Maybe all the reps will be recalled, maybe all the dems, maybe all of them, maybe no one. Don't gloat yet.
Smart money says little will change. The tax payers will foot the bill for the recall elections but the end result will be a similar senate make up to what we have now.
It is highly unlikely that any more recall petitions will be filed against Wisconsin Democratic Senators. The two that are still outstanding have been filed by Dan Baltes, the man from Utah who started the American Recall Coalition. However, it turns out that his name is really Dan Elliott and he has spent over 10 years in jail for grand theft and forgery. Also, no financial reports have been filed for these recalls. Google Dan Baltes and you can see there are plenty of complaints about him and his tactics.
The recall of Democratic Senator Mark Miller has been dropped because they failed to get enough signatures. They were thinking of merging their effort with the Dan Baltes effort but dropped that idea due to his shady history.
If the campaign to recall Lassa files there will be serious problems with the petitions due to the forms filled out by Dan Baltes and his use of a fake name.
It is also questionable that the petitions filed against the three Democratic senators will be ruled valid. They used hired workers from out of state to collect the signatures who were paid for each signature collected. These petitions are available on line to view at the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (GAB) website. You can see that at least 13 of the canvassers were from out of state. At least one of them was a convicted felon from Colorado who was caught stealing items from Lambeau Field, home of the Green Bay Packers. I'm sure his petitions will be thrown out.
There are also complaints from people saying that they were tricked into signing these petitions and there was a bartender in Burlington caught on tape telling people to sign the petition and get a free drink.
Furthermore, two of the three Democratic senators won their last elections by over 66% of the vote.
So what is the wisconsin law they broke? Do you want us to believe that wisconsins state laws prohibit out of towners/staters from collecting signatures on a peteition?
bob- 1805084
Your type is just too easy to spot. Personal attacks designed to rattle chains and draw some comment that you can turn around - ala Spanky. You are obviously someone stuck in low paying, dead end job that would jump at the chance to be in a union. See ya loser.
Frank,
I was once in a union and what did it get me? I got me laid off. Unions can careless about the people. They would let members get laid off before they consider a freeze, a fricken freeze.
Now, no more jobs and no more company. Yea, unions are good. BS!
Sure thetotas,
just how much have unions given up or away in concessions in recent years - did I say recent- go back twenty-thirty years. Any of them. UAW, IUE, CWA, UMW, Teamsters. Please don't try and paint a picture that I saw with my own eyes and paycheck.
If you got laid off, I would be willing to wager that the company was sold or else some non-union price cutting company got your contract and ran your company out of business. Then they closed their doors. I saw that so many times, to all companies, electrical, trucking, manufacturing, all through the seventies, eighties, nineties. Happened to me once also. You know thats true.
She knows it is true, Frank, but she will NEVER admit it.
I don't know Frank, living in California I really haven't seen much in concessions from the unions.
In 1982 - 1989 I was a member of IUMSBWA and I remember once they made a concession and that was starting pay lowered to $9.50 an hour. After the yard was closed it was bulldoze over and was made part of the harbor. The reason for its closing was we could not compete with the east coast yards. We lost 4 contract in a row and just ran out of contracts.
I am not trying to paint a picture I can only tell you what my experience.
newday - You don't know me so don't speak for me. geez
You tell us who you are each time you "write" something, theotas.
Really? please do tell.
teabagger this teabagger that.....hatred born from jealousy because the only movement the progressives can launch is a bowel movement. Good luck in wisconsin that ship has sailed -- it is now a right to work state. soon all 57 oops 50 states will be right to work states too. even massachusetts
The thuggish public employee unions are failing! Et tu, Massachusetts?
The real "recall" election will be in 2012, when those Dem politicians who act as poodles to crooked unions will be thrown out, starting at the top.
Governor Mitch Daniels will be a formidable Presidential candidate, because he has a successful track record in fighting the corrupt unions. Whereas the current President takes their dirty money for his campaign.
My husband would be dead now if it weren't for his "thugish" union negotiating health care for him. You are full of sh*t.
SEIU in ma are a disgrace. Most of their members are nursing home assistants. When one of their members commits patient abuse and is fired they file a greivances over the termination. All they do is protect lowlifes.
2 more Republicans to go! Let's get this final push this weekend!
I'm seriously trying to wrap my mind around how any of you could ever consider a recall to be a threat to the republic. Those of you getting pissy that a handful of Republican senators in Wisconsin have had a successful recall petition levied against them would be overjoyed were the same done to Democrats elsewhere.
Is there anyone on FR who doesn't shove their head up their ass before sitting down to type? Not that I haven't been obscenely guilty of that myself, but I do try to mitigate the frequency with which I do so.
Happened to Gov. Davis in CA. The tables were turned and the Republicans recalled him. Can't recall the outrage from the Republicans then.
Exodite - I have no problem with recalls. I have problem with the unions and the underhanded way they get things done.
As for Davis, He signed SB 400, enough said.
Mr. Walker - Your time as Governor will be short lived. Good bye.
Turn out the lights, the (tea) party is over (in WI). Gov should be close behind; they all deserve it.
You're right Yank, I can't wait till the whole state goes belly up and everyone has to home school. The unions won't let up till it happens. They all want to be saved from the hole that's been dug for them as long as it's at the tax payers expense. Just keep borrowing,keep digging ,and please shut up about your fiscal problems.
Wait a minute! Rachel said last night the Republicans in Wisconsin didn't make the deadlines for their recalls of Dems. Make sure you got this right!
what Wisconsin republicans are learning is that PAY BACK IS A BITCH !!! and what Wisconsin voters are learning is that they made a BIG MISTAKE by backing the GOP !!!
Based on the comments I hear from all the Midwest Lefties,, I hope they get their wish and go thru the recall and win,, then watch Wisconsin circle the toilet bowl.
I have never seen such mental sickness as on this post.
You folks are sick !
The whole nation is watching Wisconsin---keep up the momentum. GOP governors need to be shown that it will not be so easy to destroy democracy after all.