Pat, that secret died with Michael Jackson.

OUTSTANDING Pat!

Thanks for sharing!

Sadly, there's no known cure for racism... ;o(

"because there isn't a document in the world that will turn him white.." Nothing else needs to be said.

Thanks, Pat.

Interesting theory, but I was struck by the simple power of what Trump said this morning. He made so very strong point on oil, China and Libya.

I don't care about Trump. In or out, it makes no difference. But like the Tea Party that you all de-cried and made so much fun of, he is now controlling the narrative.

He yapped for a couple of weeks and Obama "leaned forward" and shot out the cirtificate. SO now let's hear everyone's position on China, oil, Libya and everything else.

Fun stuff, right?

Pat, Boston, MA

Quote of the day from DailyKos/Barbara Morrill:

That the birthers aren't satisfied with the release of the long form birth certificate isn't surprising. Birthers aren't satisfied because no matter how many documents Barack Obama releases it will never be enough, because there isn't a document in the world that will turn him white.

So true and those living under there slimy rocks the rock just keeps on getting slimmer as they pile more sh!T on.

From anathor thread Pat Buchanan really shouldn't be allowed to spew his old fogey , neo- confederate RANTS on MSNBC.

I 've been so over him since he made this statement.

America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/80480/pat_buchanan_says_black

_americans_should_be_grateful_for_years_of_oppression_and_segregation/

Chump also said

White Men Built This Country

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2973685

I'm not a fan of whiny, whiny Tavis Smiley either; but I did like what he had to say last night on Lawrence O'Donnell.

Ursula-279622 & Pat, Boston, MA

then let's paint him white. that will make him look like them.......yes i think that will do it.

Trump? Spanky, Really Trump? That guy is not even the slightest bit believable. The Donald just had his a$$ hand to him! He has no chance at beating Obama. He better stick to Real Estate and Corny TV.

Chump also said

White Men Built This Country

sent by Beverly

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Slaves built the White House and United States Capitol Building.

Ahhh come on devie think big picture.

Like I said - it's not about Trump. It's about his message, which this morning was Oil, China, and Libya.

He probably has no chance, but those ideas and criticisms of Obama resonate and will continue to grow. They will also be picked up and carried on by others.

Just like the Tea Party. Gosh I can remember al the way back to 2008 when all the media and all the democrats said the tea party was stupid, a flash in the pan, and to quote Pelosi "astro-turf."

Well forward to 2010 and that "astro-turf" just turfed Pelosi's ass right out of her speakership and government plane.

That "astro-turf" now sets the agenda for the country. Or was it Obama's plan all along to cut spending, reduce deficits and reform entitlements.

Concepts and ideas, devie, are far more powerful than individuals.

And nobody ever mentions the other slaves, the Chinese, the slaves of the north and west.

The White House knows that nothing will satisfy those who refuse to accept him as President. It did, however, use the long-form birth certificate to make a bigger point: too many in the media thrive on trivial nonsense and ignore the serious issues that are being discussed, put forth, voted on, etc. All the media needed to do was stop inviting Donald Trump to their sets, stop giving him a microphone to spew what the media knew to be a lie. Only one or two hosts actually called Trump out for lying. When you give a clown a stage, he will perform. America deserves a serious media; leave the entertainment for the entertainers.

Just a bit ago, MSNBC's female host (name escapes me) was whining about the President's criticism of them, she didn't think it was fair of him to broad brush the media. She commented that Trump's remarks were news--no, a thousand times no--Trump's spewing of birther nonsense was not news--it was disputed 2-3 years ago and repeatedly since then yet those like her insist it is news and defend covering it. Trump would not have gotten a month's worth of free publicity if she and others like her had not provided the air time. Then she brings on a republican analyst to discuss it further. What is there to discuss? Are they now going to slice and dice why the President issued it, and find fault with that? Enough already!

"He yapped for a couple of weeks and Obama "leaned forward" and shot out the cirtificate"

Yes he did, Einstein. Shot 'er right out there.

2 years ago.

The press should ask Donald Trump where we get most of our oil. They should ask him what he knows about OPEC (he seems to think OPEC controls prices which is incorrect). They should ask him what he knows about the tax breaks given to American companies who ship jobs to China, India. They should ask him what he knows about commodities trading and the impact it has on food and oil prices. They should have him to provide a transcript of his grades and tell how it is he got into the college he attended. The problem with too many in the media is they let him throw out comments but do not challenge his lack of indepth knowledge on the subjects.

Kalifornia Girl, You must be the model for ditzy blondes! The Canal Zone was AMERICAN territory. (Untill Jummuh Cartuh gave it away.) BOTH of McCain's Parents were American citizens., and he was born in an American military hospital, Therefore McCain is an AMERICAN. The birth certificate obama released is NOT the original, but a modern one. That form did NOT exsist at the time. Even the fact that his mother was American, under the law current at that time, that does NOT qualify him. Even when Obama travelled, later in life, he did so with a FOREIGN passport, NOT an American one. It may have escaped your notice, but Hawaii is run by DEMOCRATS, who just MIGHT have an interest in supporting him. Now I really don't care, since the fact that he is NOT a citizen isn't going to get him kicked out of the white house as long as democrats control the senate.

What WILL make him a one term president is his total INCOMPETENCE in handling our economy. You blame Bush for Iraq, and yet you seem unaware that da messiah got us into ANOTHER WAR with a country that was NO threat to us, while the taliban have slaughtered thousands of American citizens.

As for the Tea Party, its NOT going away no matter how much dimocrats wish it would, and no matter how much the alphabet networks slime it. Oh by the way "tea baggers" are the folks who march in San Francisco's Gay Pride parade and they vote for YOUR party.

Just a bit ago, MSNBC's female host (name escapes me) was whining about the President's criticism of them, she didn't think it was fair of him to broad brush the media. She commented that Trump's remarks were news... Sent by Jody

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Jody, that's it in a nutshell. Trump's remarks weren't news. As Keith Olbermann wrote today, the birth certificate is just one way of the GOP attempting to bring down President Obama. But it could be anything, anything at all that they will use to try and bring him down with. And it doesn't matter what it is. Or how they are perceived. They don't care.

Check his article out.

The media continues to be "had" and they either don't realize it, or don't care. That to me was the President's point.

Forrest Grump

And nobody ever mentions the other slaves, the Chinese, the slaves of the north and west.

I'm sorry Forrest Grump I thought it was implied since just about everyone knows it.

Yes. it true the Chinese built the railroads and were discriminated against.

Chinese did not go into the laundry business by choice, and once there had to deal with hostile non-Chinese customers. The general public read many lurid stories denouncing laundries as fronts for immoral activities such as opium smoking and prostitution, although in truth most laundries were small family enterprises.

http://usinfo.org/docs/democracy/64.htm

@ Pat, Boston, MA

Slaves built the White House and United States Capitol Building.

So true, Pat the hands that once picked cotton also built the White House and picked a Black President.

Also a black man Benjamin Banneker, a mathematician and amateur astronomer, had it not been for him Benjamin Banneker, our nation's capital would not exist as we know it.

After a year of work, the Frenchman hired by George Washington to design the capital, L'Enfant, stormed off the job, taking all the plans. Banneker, placed on the planning committee at Thomas Jefferson's request, saved the project by reproducing from memory, in two days, a complete layout of the streets, parks, and major buildings. Thus Washington, D.C. itself can be considered a monument to the genius of this great man.

http://www.bnl.gov/bera/activities/globe/banneker.htm

Image that his memory; WOW!

Pat, Boston, MA

Just a bit ago, MSNBC's female host (name escapes me) was whining about the President's criticism of them, she didn't think it was fair of him to broad brush the media. She commented that Trump's remarks were news... Sent by Jody

_______________________________________________________________

Jody, that's it in a nutshell. Trump's remarks weren't news. As Keith Olbermann wrote today, the birth certificate is just one way of the GOP attempting to bring down President Obama. But it could be anything, anything at all that they will use to try and bring him down with. And it doesn't matter what it is. Or how they are perceived. They don't care.

Pat,

It's funny you should mention that my husband has said next they'll want to see his genitals just to prove he is really a man.

Or is it because they are a bunch of freaks? LOL

Next time Chump is being interviewed, observe the way he responds to questions, he starts attacking the interviewer and getting louder so as to create a distraction this way the interviewer cuts off the questioning.

Bydand:

The birth certificate obama released is NOT the original, but a modern one. That form did NOT exsist at the time. Even the fact that his mother was American, under the law current at that time, that does NOT qualify him.

Source, please. As to all the so-called "facts" in your post. And it had better not be a right-wing site or blog. If you are talking about the Certificate of Live Birth, then you're absolutely wrong, and if you were sitting in this room, I could prove that to you. If you're talking about the long form that the President released, then you, like Donald Trump, had better be able to back that up with some FACTS.

After all, Trump was wrong, wasn't he, when he said the long-form didn't exist. Chris Matthews just recently exposed the biased source for that, by the way, which is part of why I'm so skeptical of YOUR statements.

As for the bias of the Republicans running Hawaii, I believe that when this issue came up in 2008, the governor was actually a Republican who confirmed that President Obama's birth records there appeared to be in order. And you don't hear any other Hawaiian republicans screaming about this dastardly deed done to the integrity of the state's public records, do you? Me, neither, come to think of it.

In short, I'd like to see your proof.

As for the President's alleged "incompetence" in handling the economy, just remember that he did nothing that wasn't recommended by his republican, conservative, corporatist advisers, like Tim Geithner. If they were incompetent, and I don't altogether rule that out, as it was the same folks whose policies got us into this mess in the first place, then it's on THEM. Besides, how do you then explain the fact -- and it is a fact -- that corporations are making record profits and sitting on big mountains of cash? They got their tax cut extensions, WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR? Or is it that they're just waiting till after the 2012 election in the hopes they can parley sluggish economy activity into achieving their ultimate goal, as freely announced by John Boehner, which is to see to it that President Obama does not get a second term?

Nah ... would they actually do that? LoL

Oddly, though, I agree with you about Libya, for the most part. As for Iraq, however, your logic is sorely lacking. One crime can never be absolved by another one, even if you could call Libya that. Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rove and Libby should ALL be in jail, regardless of what you think of President Obama's handling of Libya.

By the way, what do you think President Bush would have done about Libya? Seriously. It's only because of a courageous admiral who was willing to fall on his sword in order to "out" Bush's intentions that we didn't end up in Iran, as well. And how about McCain, who wanted to "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran."

In short, you've got nothing to hang your teabags on there.

As for teabaggers in general, you don't suppose there are a few conservatives who engage in that practice? How about the Log Cabin Republicans, just to name a few. As for your arguments, teabagging just about sums them up. And just for fun, perhaps you should take a look at the attendance numbers for recent Tea Party rallies before you claim so emphatically that it's never going away. It's already more than half way there.

No need to be sorry Bev, but I disagree with you, I think very few people actually realize the extent that the Chinese were used as slaves in other parts of the country and I just wanted to point that out.

Pat,

It's funny you should mention that my husband has said next they'll want to see his genitals just to prove he is really a man.

OK, but just don't make that retroactive to George W. Bush. We saw enough on the deck of that aircraft carrier to last us a lifetime. ;-)

Chump Trump, the Lump, did about as well with this effort as Charley Sheen in Detroit! Are all Republicans soap opera failures?

Only the best ones. Just imagine the rest. ;-)

Well now they don't just look crazy, they look like big wussies, well they have looked like wussies but now they admit it. Too stupid to recognize the truth, too weak to accept it. If your stupid and weak, or you just admire stupid and weak vote republican in 2012.

One area the far-right is correct about is we need to go back--to a time when such nonsense was shut down by our leaders, the media, and society.

I was watching a program about Woodrow Wilson, and he is conducting a press conference, and a reporter asks a silly question. President Wilson dismissed it as such and everyone in the room laughed at the reporter. Now that may sound mean, but people like that reporter need to be corrected right on the spot.

Americans have strong ideals about equality, which is good. But sometimes it gets out of whack. For example, we all have an equal right to our opinion, but that does not mean all opinions are equal. The ill-informed/mis-informed need to be ridiculed for their ignorance--sorry, but if they are too shallow or lazy to apply themselves, that's what they should expect.

Boston Pat,

Why really cares about the birthplace of Obama? Rather than listen to the MSNBC diatribe on this, or listen to Feisty and Bev belittle everyone who disagrees with them, why not discuss the issues:

Economy, Jobs, Gasoline Pricing, Grocery Costs, Deficit, Health Care, the Three Wars and their costs, and ownership of the spending programs initiated by Obama.

I for one would like to hear his plans to resolve the core issues that will reflect who will be the next President. Wouldn't you?

All the rest is extraneous BS.

Trump also said that his investagators found something, BS, He is full of BS, He is ugiler physically and mentally , gets worse day by day.

WHERE ARE HIS FINANCIAL RECORDS< DISCLOSURE OF HIS BANKRUPTCIES, I want to see them on the internet.

Ah Bev, did you see your proctologist today?

Patrick Salt Lake City,

President Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He should not have had to do this at this stage of the game. He produced all the vital documents which he was required to do. If the short form was good enough to put him on the ballot, then it should have been good enough for anyone with an ounce of sense. Didn't Donald Dumbass proclaim that a Certificate of Live Birth is not the same as a birth certificate? WTH does this man know? Time for mouth almighty to put up or shut up - where are his financials? This whole thing is nonsense; and now that the President has shown the long form, he is still being criticized. It just goes to show you, common sense is not so common. And of course, the next thing will be his college records. Donald Trump is a fool and a liar.

Off topic, did anyone see Pat Buchanan on Hardball? I swear I almost tossed a brick at my TV. Another fool. According to him, President Obama only got into Harvard because of affirmative action. What a toad Pat Buchanan is.

I cringe at the level of ignorance being displayed. Some folks should not be allowed to vote.

Joi,Hey it's okay. Even if Obama got into Harvard due to "Affirmative Action" he sure did make the best of it and proved that the system works. Unlike his predecessor who road Daddy's Coattails through school and all the way to the Presidency. Without Daddy there would have been no prep schools, no Yale, no Harvard, no Governor's office and no Presidency.

Joi. Buchanan is a race baiter of long standing.

devie. Good points.

Joi--yes, I saw him. I didn't throw a brick but I yelled at the TV. What a pathetic bunch of biggoted bull he was spewing

Nashville, I feel your pain. I really do. It's the President's fault for waiting so long.

Beyond absurd. And NBC is literally minutes from me never watching their station again. They are hiring a racist.

Now Trump is asking that President Obama "get off the basketball court" to address gasoline prices.

Which President Obama has. That's the problem today. No one listens to the important stuff. Especially Trump. He doesn't care about any of it. He's in it for the lights, camera, action.

Sunset Boulevard - that's Trump.

Well, Nash, I hope you are sitting down.

They should demand ling form birth certificates from them. All of them.

What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander, first of all. And, I, for one, am unwilling to have to witness another of these "non-traverses", ( I believe I stole that from you, but nothing else seems appropriate), in my lifetime.

So, in the interest of having REAL disputes, how about we legislate it? Just so we stick a fork in it, once and for all.

no joe:

Hello. That's all I've got.

Peace.

Nashville_fan

Yes indeed, it is not the fault of those who spread unsupported lies, it is the President's fault for "waiting so long."

Constitution be damned. Presumption of innocence be damned.

When will the media request the long form birth certificate of each and every white man in our government?

Oh yeah, I forgot, white folks are "real Americans", and the rest of us are just here for cheap labor.

My bad.

It is not your bad. It good gosh I never thought of it that way.

@no joe, no bo, nj

What is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander, first of all. And, I, for one, am unwilling to have to witness another of these "non-traverses", ( I believe I stole that from you, but nothing else seems appropriate), in my lifetime.

So, in the interest of having REAL disputes, how about we legislate it? Just so we stick a fork in it, once and for all.

Lying hypocrite, put a sock in you p hole!

This reminds me of when I was teaching, and one day a student blurted out a question in class asking if I was pregnant. Why he was asking, I have no idea, as I weighed about 100 pounds soaking wet at the time. In short, I wasn't pregnant, and certainly didn't look pregnant. Anyway, I rolled my eyes and ignored him, and the next thing I knew I was having to explain my silence to the vice principal who had been delegated to investigate on behalf of the superintendent who had received a call from the outraged parent of the idiot kid who asked the stupid question in the first place.

Do we all see where this is going? Sometimes, it's really easier to answer the questions than to ignore them. Trying to take the "high road" often forces you to take the detour to the low road anyway.

Hopefully, the President has learned the same valuable lesson here that I learned.

But that doesn't mean he was born somewhere other than Hawaii.

So, birthers, and I REALLY, really, really mean this ... it's finally time to SHUT UP.

@no joe, no bo, nj

I meant...

Lying hypocrite, put a sock in you pie hole!

Beverly -- LoL Are you sure?

You are right, Nash---the media chasing after Donald Trump and other racists of the Repubican party diverts the attention away from the real issues our country faces----how many jobs has the Republican house created this week?

The bar across the street from Boehner's office added a bartender.

You Liberals need to grow up. This is America and the First Ammendment gives you the right to ask whatever you feel of the POTUS or anyone else in public office.

How long did we hear that BS about Bush and the National Guard? How long did we have to endure that Bush was APPOINTED and not ELECTED? Bush, Bush, Bush,,,,etc...... you see how that goes.

Just frikken say that you do not like Republicans period....

Obama just like any other POTUS is going to be scrutinized tremendously and his supporters are not going to like it but the people scrutinizing can really care less about his supporters.

Nashville, you said it.

The media is now doing the all day slice and dice about the birth certificate and whining about our President criticizing them, and in the process they just proved him correct--they are like carnival barkers.

I come here (nearly) every day to view the entertaining rants of the left... and every day I am amazed at the anger and hatered that spews forth from Bev's posts.

Simply browse any of the posts in this thread alone and you will see the obvious signs of troubled soul.

I am convinced that she is incapable of posting a comment that does not have an angry tone. She is incapable of posting a comment that does not call someone a liar. She is incapable of posting a comment that does not have racial bias in it.

I truly feel sorry for her and how misserable she must be in her life. She has obviously found no peace, even in this the age of Obama.

I'll pray for you Bev.

SickOfTheBickering

I come here (nearly) every day to view the entertaining rants of the left... and every day I am amazed at the anger and hatered that spews forth from Bev's posts.

I truly feel sorry for her and how misserable she must be in her life. She has obviously found no peace, even in this the age of Obama.

I'll pray for you Bev

While you're at it pray that you don't have a heart attack race chasing; bigot.

FYI: I 'm fine.

Keep on racing chasing road runner. You can't help it you were born to run like most cowards.

Hardy har har sick.... One word always comes to my mind, MISERABLE......

What is it this week?

Too funny Frank - I happened to catch a few minutes of the movie 'Catch Me If You Can' this weekend & the first person I thought of was ITM!

Medic - *check*

BBQ Shack Owner - *check*

IT Technician - *check*

GI Joe - *check*

Wife Beater - *DOUBLE check*

Actually, ITM, I'm glad someone mentioned Bush's National Guard record. That story conveniently "went away" through unconfirmed sourcing by Dan Rather, which cost him his job. But Bush's failure to have completed his commitment got lost in the chatter. So, is it too late to make Bush cough up the real documentation? It's a question of character, don't ya know.

And how come the folks who were so quick to describe the above honest investigation as "Bush Bashing" were not equally quick to describe the whole Birther fiasco as "Obama Bashing" and demand it be dropped long ago?

Is a puzzlement....

NO a$$hole - you kick some rocks there boy!

What you contribute here is NOTHING other than your internet fantasies?

You may dominate your wife, but, this is a open political chat room and women here, will tell YOU to STFU!

So GO back and complete your friggin anger management classes will you Birther BOY!

In the meantime, here's a tissue to wipe the jizz off your face!

YOU my friend are a FARCE and EVERY ONE around here knows it!

You claim to be a GI Joe - however, after 3 years of listening to you bull@!$%# - you're a pussy who hides behind his Mama's skirt!

In The Middle (Tx): The goal of you birthers is not clarity. The goal of you birthers is not surety. The goal of you birthers is not to ensure our President's citizenship. The goal of the birthers is not Patriotism. The goal of the birthers is to confuse, delay, inhibit, corrupt and interrupt the momentum of any Democratic Party initiative or basic operating principle of same.

They know Barack Obama was born here. They do not seek truth. They seek chaos. They want to sew discord and be nettlesome. They need to draw attention away from legitimate issues that impact our lives while their agenda is advanced behind their birther smoke screen. Evil can't operate in the light. It needs confusion and concealment.

Republicanism is destroying this country, and they don't care. They will attain supremacy if they have to destroy this country to do it,....and they are well on their way to that goal.

I'm with you Feisty, and I admire your restraint. ;o)

And don't let the Texas Nehbish get to you, he is a waste of protoplasm. I wonder how he can type without an opposable thumb.

Holla Greg!

I've dealt with this FRAUD & pussy for over 3 years now...

He get's NO restraint! ;oP

Anyone who wants to come here and DEGRADE women on a daily basis is going to get his balls handed back to him!

That's why Spunky hangs aroiund here - hoping to get a mouthfull!

First of all let me tell you MF'ers something. I am no GD birther, whatever the hell that is. Fiesty ur not selling any wolf tickets here. I'm not your fukkin boy either you trashy azz beatch. You can collapse my post all u want but that still will not change the fact that ur azz is triflin and ignorant.

You might have the rest of these "negros" fooled but ur fake azz number was pulled in my book years ago. I am definately not the one and you need to keep that BS movin' Now pull out your ebonics dictionary and define what I said.....Oh I forgot you are "to the good" with the blacks.

WOW! Just take a look at the comments above (from both sides). It is amazing the intolerance, anger and outright disdain that people have for each other around here.

It seems to me that Mr. Obama... with all of his grandiose statements of unification... of hope and change... has created a wider gap between people than ever before. Our nation seems to be farther away than ever, from a society that embraces (or even tolerates) diversity. And this comes from BOTH sides. I am ashamed of the comments that I see above. You people (all of you) need to grow up!

Take an honest look at yourselves and tell me... What have we become?

Trump doesn't want everyone to know just how broke he really is, so he won't release them.

At the moment, I'd much rather see Trump's college transcripts. If he actually has any.

As Lawrence O said, Donald can't afford to run for president; he doesn't have the money to campaign, and he can't afford to lose his paycheck from his reality TV show.

As for our President just now issuing the long form of the birth certificate. It took a special request to Hawaii to get it; only two copies were allowed to him. Every person born in Hawaii is given the legal document the President has provided for over two years--it is the official Hawaii birth certificate. President Obama had already answered the question many, many times.

My personal analysis and view is this. The point of today's release was that the President decided he had enough of the nonsense; he decided to make a fool of Donald Trump (who asked to be made the fool) and in the process point out the silliness of the media's pursuit of circus clowns while Rome burns. I'd say by the sheer "noses out of joint" in the media I'm hearing, he succeeded. Do not be surprised to see Trump disappear from center stage in a couple days because even though their noses are out of joint, the media does not like to appear foolish by standing beside a fool.

Jody-

You are so on point. The media has been made a fool of except for Lawrence.

Lawrence never missed an opportunity to tell it like it is about Trump "pimping" the media for his own personal gain. I especially got a kick out of Lawrence pointing out the ignorance of Trump about all things related to governance.

It was a joy! I will almost miss the nightly "Lesson from Lawrence"as he took Trump to school in responding to his lies!

Very, well said Jody!!

JFK can't stand it that President Obama is playing him and his teabaggers like a fiddle.

I want you to read what you just wrote and tell me if you are serious.

Pointing out problems with Paul Ryan's plan is "uncivil", but questioning the President's citizenship and humanity without a single shred of evidence is a-okay.

Now I know why we need God to bless America so much.

Man Obama is such a Richard Cranium...why didn't he just do this 2 1/2 years ago?

Why? Just to please you?

Why should he when this has NEVER been demanded of ANY candidate in the past or any past sitting President?

Which one is being the Richard Cranium...the President or you?

To be honest I could care less...I think the whole thing is funny. Its how he goes about things that I believe is wrong. I want him to unite, not divide.... a lot more would get done and this country would be better off because of it.

the President DID release his birth certificate, but that didn't stop people from wondering about him. He has a US passport, based on the birth certificate he applied for and received, but that didn't stop people. It is so ridiculous that in this day and age of instantaneous, easily certifiable information, people cannot let go of a wild conspiracy theory..... for that reason, we will now demand that ALL Presidential candidates furnish the same level of proof as to their birth. Eventually, we will no longer have states regulating births, because everyone will want a standard, official form from the US government.

The sad part is if his father was "Brendan O'Malley" from Ireland instead of "Barrack Obama" from Kenya would anyone have ever questioned this?

JFK ~ I think we can surely agree that President Obama's handling of the birther issue has not been optimal, while still agreeing that he didn't create the issue and that the uproar over it was not his fault.

Only the idiot birthers are to blame for this, although as I said above, I suspect the President has learned the same thing I learned a long time ago -- sometimes it's easier to tell the truth than to take the 5th.

As for Paul Ryan, if he can't stand up to a little in-your-face criticism, then he doesn't belong in Congress. Period. Besides, what the President said to and about Ryan is NOTHING compared to what his own constituents have been saying. If he can't take that heat, then he needs to get out of the kitchen.

He did, JFK. The official Hawaii birth certificate, just like the one issued to every other Hawaiian born in that state; it was released during the 2008 election; it was posted on line, it was shown on TV, it was proven legitimate by the courts many times YET that wasn't good enough. It took a waiver by Hawaii to get the long form but I guess Hawaii is sick of this birther stuff as well so they made the exception to their rule.

I'd say President Obama made fools of a lot of people today, including Trump and anyone who asks why didn't he issue it sooner.

IT TAKES BOTH SIDES to unite us and so far only democrats and President Obama understand that uniting requires "compromise" and what compromise have we seen from the conservative side.

JFK2112: That the brilliance of Obama, he allows enough time to make a fools of yourself, and moves in for the"KILL."

Trump displayed a typical racist person's point of view, because Obama is black, he suggests the President did not have the capability to attend an Ivy League School so somehow he cheated to be accepted..WOW!!! Obama must be the most influential person to be able to somehow have his birth records "doctored" before he was born with the newspapers, the hospitals, the Govt. of Hawaii and two Ivy League Schools, Well, I will say, with all that influence, we are indeed BLESSED to have the most influential person on planet earth as our PRESIDENT.

Gee, perhaps the reason he didn't go to the immense trouble of sending a special envoy to get this long form BC because it's just not generally released to anyone is because he'd already released a certified copy of the routine BC and there's virtually nothing else on the long form except perhaps the attending physician's name. I mean really, should the President waste his time to fly an attorney to HI to get this document just to satisfy ranting idiots when he has an economy to rescue, wars to fight, etc just so people like you can see who the hell caught him on the way out?

Believe it or not, this is neither historic nor unprecedented.

Chester A. Arthur had his birthplace questioned

Most official references list Arthur as having been born in Fairfield in Franklin County, Vermont on October 5, 1829. However, some time in the 1870s Arthur changed it to 1830 to make himself seem a year younger.[2]:5[5] His father had initially migrated to Dunham, Lower Canada, where he and his wife at one point owned a farm about 15 miles (24 km) north of the U.S. border.[2]:4 There has long been speculation that the future president was actually born in Canada and that the family moved to Fairfield later. If Arthur had been born in Canada, some believe that he would not have been a natural-born citizen (interpreting the law to mean that to be a natural-born citizen one must be born on U.S. territory) and would thus have been constitutionally ineligible to serve as vice president or president. During the 1880 U.S. presidential election a New York attorney, Arthur P. Hinman, was hired to explore rumors of Arthur's foreign birth. Hinman alleged that Arthur was born in Ireland and did not come to the United States until he was fourteen years old. When that story failed to take root Hinman came forth with a new story that Arthur was born in Canada. This claim also fell on deaf ears.[2]:202–203 In any case, Arthur's father was not naturalized until some years after his birth, resulting in Arthur having a claim to dual citizenship.[citation needed]
Arthur spent some of his childhood years living in Perry, New York. One of Arthur's boyhood friends remembers Arthur's political abilities emerging at an early age:

Hope the whole thing came over, but, if not,I will summarize:

It seems that Arthur was born to a naturalized citizen from Ireland, ( it was Da Noid's question that reminded me of that), and mother who was a descendent of a Revolutionary War soldier.

His heritage was questioned on two fronts- first, that he was born in Ireland; when that was disproven because it was clear that his parents were not in Ireland at the time, it was alleged that he was born in Canada. Only time has erased the questions of whether or not he was actually eligible to be president.

By the way, Arthur was a republican.

Sorry- what did not make it was the source. It's from Wiki.

He was really addressing the MSM, but as usual they didn't get it. I'm beginning to think their as stupid as the teabaggers.

Mo, MSM has gone along with this nonsense. They are just as responsible for this stupid conversation as Donald Trump is.

Ali your headline is wrong. It should read President Obama was addressing the MSM, seeing as you don't understand this that means you.

You are quite right Americans First.

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Being born in a segregated Arkansas I know the code language. To pretend this whole issue is nothing but rasicm is pure denial.

Screams from racist denying racism 3..2..1..

Thank you

Both my parents are from a small town near Little Rock, Arkansas. As child when I went down there I knew then it then and I know it now.

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Emmett Louis "Bobo" Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African-American boy who at 14 years old was murdered in Mississippi after reportedly flirting with a white woman. Till was from Chicago, Illinois transported him to a barn, beat him and gouged out one of his eyes, before shooting him through the head and disposing of his body in theTallahatchie River, weighting it with a 70-pound (32 kg) cotton gin wolf-whistle

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Being born in a segregated Arkansas I know the code language. To pretend this whole issue is nothing but rasicm is pure denial.

Screams from racist denying racism 3..2..1..

I also know most racist are a bunch of cowards. It takes a gang to come after 1 black person

Hate Laws Don't Matter, Except When They Do

The murder in June of James Byrd Jr., a black man torn to pieces when he was dragged behind a pickup truck in Jasper, Texas, spurred demands for toughening the state's broadly worded hate-crime law and for passage of federal hate-crime legislation.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/19981019monday.html

Hey Bev... don't pretend that the violence is so one-sided.

Remember Reginald Denny?

Remember the video of those wonderful young black men beating him and smashing bricks into his skull? Remember that? And what did Mr. Denny do to deserve that? He stopped his truck at red light a little too close to these fine young men.

You are SUCH an angry, racist, hypocrite! PLEASE STOP YOUR EVIL WAYS!

Reginald Oliver Denny, then 33 years old, was a construction truck driver. On the first day of the rioting, Denny was attacked, pulled from his truck and brutally beaten, sustaining serious head and other injuries. As a result of the injuries he suffered during the attacks, Denny had to undergo years of rehabilitative therapy, and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damaged.

SickOfTheBickering

Hey Bev... don't pretend that the violence is so one-sided.

Remember the video of those wonderful young black men beating him and smashing bricks into his skull? Remember that? And what did Mr. Denny do to deserve that? He stopped his truck at red light a little too close to these fine young men.

You are SUCH an angry, racist, hypocrite! PLEASE STOP YOUR EVIL WAYS!

Of course I do. Neither can I forget the anger they felt over the Rodney King beating.

How do stack that beating up against...

the assassination of Medgar Evers

the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

the 1963 murder of 4 young African-American girls caught in an explosion inside of church

the nearly all-black town of Rosewood, Florida, in 1922 where an estimated 40 to 150 blacks were killed in by an all-white lynch mob

Saikou A. Diallo's, unarmed African immigrant, death due to being shot 19 times in fusillade of 41 bullets in lobby of Bronx apartment

Abner Louima a Haitian who was assaulted, brutalized and forcibly sodomized with the handle of a bathroom plunger by New York City police officers after being arrested outside a Brooklyn nightclub in 19

Jon Burge, a former Chicago senior police official who totured many many African American to confess to crimes they did not commit

I could go on and on but I'll just leave it at thousands of documented incidents of lynching and mob violence against African Americans.

I think if anyone is angry and a racist, it's you for trying to find justification to your bigoted cowardly views; I refuse to accept.

So don't talk to me about being evil and angry.

Actually Bev... If I wanted to waste the time to google it I could document THOUSANDS of Black on White crimes... robbery, rape, murder, etc.

Just as I could document Black on Black and White on White crimes.

The difference is that I don't continually post angry, hate-filled comments about it like you do.

BTW... Rodney King was a self-admitted criminal in his own right. If he had followed police instructions and was not strung-out on drugs at the time he likely would not have received the beating he got. Don't make him out to be some saint.

Finally, regarding your comment on "multiple white men going after a single black man"... Reginald Denny was beaten by 6 (YES SIX) black men (with pipes, bats bricks and stones...) Seems we are not so different after all are we Bev?

SickOfTheBickering

Actually Bev... If I wanted to waste the time to google it I could document THOUSANDS of Black on White crimes... robbery, rape, murder, etc.

I totally disagree. If you would you time goggling you'll most of this cases are Blacks accused of crimes they didn' t commit.

Think about this on you bigoted glory.

Why are the more Blacks in prisons than whites. One case in point Jon Burge. you could google Ida b Wells.

More Black Men in Prison Today Than Enslaved in 1850

• By: Nsenga Burton | Posted: March 30, 2011

Bet you can't admit due to your bigoted glory. That's a b!tch too when you so much of a coward and run from the truth.

American racism is alive and well. Most whites don't even recognize it in themselves yet love to wave the flag like a patriot. My best example of disgusting white racism was one night in the 60s, in Houston, I was trying to find a place to sleep while in uniform. I am white but was traveling with 3 black army buddies also in uniform. No one would let us stay (about 6-8 tries). Finally, we went to the hotel the Dodgers were staying and they allowed us in. These 3 guys were ready to die for a country that allowed this treatment and we were not even in the deep south.

SickOfTheBickering

The difference is that I don't continually post angry, hate-filled comments about it like you do.

Really WTF are you stupid. you live to race bait and race chase imo

BTW... Rodney King was a self-admitted criminal in his own right. If he had followed police instructions and was not strung-out on drugs at the time he likely would not have received the beating he got. Don't make him out to be some saint.

Get serious bigot the tape would prove you are even more bigoted than I thought you to be. You obviously condone police brutality from several police men.

Finally, regarding your comment on "multiple white men going after a single black man"... Reginald Denny was beaten by 6 (YES SIX) black men (with pipes, bats bricks and stones...) Seems we are not so different after all are we Bev?

No, we are not. I'm not an ultra race chasing whore like you . I don't go around race chasing and accusing anyone personally on any blog of being a racist; unless, I retaliate after being call one.

Get serious how many other cases can you site like this?

Very few throughout the annals of American history

WOW! Can anyone here read Bev's posts and HONESTLY tell me that she is NOT a racist?

Spot on Amy, he's been playing the MSM, Teabaggers and GOP for over three years now and they keep falling for it. I think he is really enjoying himself watching them twisting themselves in knots.

And I will vote for him again

You are so right, Amy----why do people continually underestimate the President and fail to realize that he goes about things differently? Which is what he promised us he would do, by the way. I certainly will vote for him again and I would also vote for you to be a pundit---you would be better than the ones we have for sure!

Amy:

Just because someone is a good POLITICIAN, it does not make them right. Most of the POLITICIANS in D.C. are a genious in political terms. They got elected. No one gets elected if they do not know how to play the game.

I challenge anyone of you keyboard rangers to go run for office; let's see how far you make it.

Steeler:

No one underestimates a politician. The man is not doing anything more than any other politician. He has 2000 advisors around him at all times. Everything he does or says is thought out in political terms. Politicians worry about one thing "themselves".

Well said, Amy. President Obama knows "when to hold 'em, knows when to fold 'em" and does it beautifully.

2000 advisors? 2000? Got any proof of that number? Sounds as made up as the birther nonsense.

Jody:

You just do not get it........WTF does it take for you people to realize Obama is just another POLITICIAN?

You do not think there are 2000 people/advisors at his disposal? I can see why you think he is more than a politician.......oh I got it...Your Savior'

Eric. Are you kidding? Fox makes a killing from the screwballs who eat this stuff up.

Dan, are you asking us to feel sorry for someone who knew full well what they were getting themselves in to? Are you seriously asking us to feel sorry for someone that has done nothing to rectify those "2 wars" but has added a third to the list...

Maybe he should form a committee to form a committee to do some research on what a committee does? Oh bother, just hire another czar...

I have always believed that Obama was an American citizen.. I never doubted it for a minute. This is just another stupid game for him. He could have showed the stupid long form, years ago. He's just as big of a time waster as the "birthers"... Now he wants to get down to serious business! I wonder how he's going to fit it into his constant campaigning schedule..

Sorry but my sympathies will lay with his successor.

BTW, has the newly formed committee been formed yet? If so, have they come to any conclusions yet? Please, someone ask Obama if he remembers re-appointing Bart Chilton.

You are right, Ira---it will never be over--but it will continue to distract people from the fact that the Republicans have no ideas about job creation and their only idea on balancing the budget is to do it on the backs of the neediest Americans while allowing the wealthiest to continue to amass wealth.

Did Trump make remarks on the color of Obama's skin?

No, but you did.

Prove it, Ira...

And if Trump didn't say anything about Obama's skin color then why would the "African American's" on the Apprentice give a fig about any of this ridiculous birther crappola???

Ellie Mae Clampett - that buzzer you hear is your dryer - your white sheets are dry!

Actually feisty, I think it's the sound of an ole buzzard like you flapping your jaw in my ear.. All that crowing you do is terribly annoying...

Why should he have had to. He provided it to the Federal Election Committee when he filed to run for President. It was accepted. He filed it just like every President before him. Just because he's our first black President, the crazies think he was born in Africa and he's a Muslim. Tell me why he should give in to the bigots and racits who don't like the fact he's black. He gave in today so we can end the distractions and get on with talking about the REAL problems facing America. Hey, I thought George W couldn't read, write or talk but necer asked for his school records.

Ira, You are 100% correct. The question is Why?

UAW, he did provide the official state version you get when you request a copy of your birth certificate, there's been a copy of that one on the internet since prior to him taking office.

Why would this question come up in the first place? He filed the short form when he filed to run. How come he is the first President that this question came up on?

UAW, do you really believe that the secret service ,the CIA, and didn't go over the Presidents credentials when he submitted his name as a candidate. I served in the military 30 years and you can't even enter some facilities without an extensive background check, Do some people really believe that we as a country would allow someone to assume our highest office without an extensive back ground check.

UAW, just admit you're wrong and move on to another topic. Proof of eligibility to run for President has to be provided to each state's election board--this was done and all 50 states accepted it because the "Certificate of Live Birth" is what every person born in Hawaii receives, it is official. To get a security clearance, a person has to provide proof of citizenship.

Guys this whole birth certificate issue wasnt something I or most people were concerned about in the first place. If the truth were known the uncertainty "some" people had just spread the longer it took for him to come out. It probably helped spur some people to action in the 2010 election who wouldnt ordinarily vote. I'm just saying it showed another lack of common sense. In 2012 we have a chance to replace more career politicians with people who will make the tough common sense choices and not worry about getting a 2nd term....

Brick walls Retired, brick walls.

Actually I think UAW is one of the rational ones, I've read some post where people are calling the long form a fraud.

I think if you want to compare apples to apples there UAW, you should be writing that you shouldn't have to keep showing the same ID to the same police officer who stops you, then every 5 mins he goes back to his car and tries to find another way to bug you and returns to ask for the ID yet again. You'd have more credibility if you did have to show the very same ID to the very same person multiple times in the very same visit for the very same purpose. That's what Obama is having to do here. And to keep the analogy, you'd have to also not complain about how stupid it was to have to keep showing the same ID to the same person multiple times on the same visit for the same purpose. Then, after showing your ID as noted above, that person would STILL tell you that ID was a fake and ask you to REALLY prove who you were except there wouldn't actually be any form of ID that would satisfy them.

I think the reason why most people never heard of him is because the media doesn't give him the time of day and dismisses him as a nut, not to mention you certainly don't have politicians lending any credence to his far out loony, can't say the same about the birther issue, not only has it been a main stream media issue, you have republican politicians jumping on the band wagon.

An old women using a vulgar sexual reference of "teabaggers"?

Shame on you, Granny.

I want future generations in the working class and working poor to be able to retire one day too, if you think the teabaggers want that for you, think again.

Ignore Bob (numbers), and continue to give em hell granny marty! ;o)

Chris...really, who cares. Let PT Barnum and his ciircus of followers do and say what they want. They've already been proven themselves to be inconsequential. Lets talk about serious topics affecting this country and not whether you're satisfied that Obama is a natural born American. Not only was the "poll" unecessary unless First Read had questions about his "birth" but to waste time having people answer is beyond belief. Really???

Isn't this just more of Grover Norquist's "drown the government in a bathtub" plan?

Ira, you worship at the altar of Big Government. You think we all only deserve what the government decides is good for us...Your facts are leftist fasehoods.

Starve the beast? Absolutely. The government is not our servant, it has become our master.

Bob... point out a falsehood. Please.

Altar of Big Government... that's ok if it's the GOP in charge, right. The GOP is certainly helping fix the job crisis and the economy. Read where the Governor of Maine is going to revise the Child Labor Law in that state to allow 13 year olds to work full time and for the first 90 days, not even at minimum wage. They get $5.50 an hour. This on top of wanting to strip union workers of their rights. Is that good government to you Bob? Makes me sick. If this is the master you want to follow, God bless you.

Starve the Beast has been the Republican MO since Reagan. Notice how they never ever want to starve the beast that is the DoD/Pentagon or starve the beast of corporate entitlements/welfare or starve the beast that is the oil industry? Perhaps there might be a tiny teeny smidgen of credibility for the GOP around all this fiscal talk if they actually were equally willing to ask for sacrifices from their sacred cows.

So, Bob, you willing to put up or shut up on that count? Are you equally willing to starve your favorite righty beast? Also, are you aware that the size of government actually got much bigger under the Bush Jr and Reagan than it did under Clinton (and let's not EVEN compare budgets!). Let's see, Bob, what you're willing to offer to cut in the name of fiscal patriotism that ISN'T a liberal favorite which all you Conservatives never do. Dems are going forward cutting some of their favs but the Repubs never do. never.