The Latino voter lag

From msnbc.com's Tom Curry:  America’s Latino population grew almost nine times faster than its non-Latino population in the last decade, jumping from 35 million to 50 million, but an analysis of last year’s elections published Tuesday by the Pew Hispanic Center shows that Latinos continue to underperform on Election Day.

In last fall’s elections, fewer than 7 percent of voters were Latino, even though more than 16 percent of the U.S. population is Latino.

The Pew study – based on newly released data from the Census’s Current Population Survey -- shows a widening gap over the past 20 years in midterm elections between the number of eligible Latino voters and the number who actually cast a ballot. In 2010 there were 6.6 million Latino voters out of a total of 21.3 million eligible Latino voters.

 “When you look at the Hispanic demographics, particularly among native-born Hispanics, there are an awful lot of people under the age of 18,” said Mark Hugo Lopez, the associate director of the Pew Hispanic Center and the author of the study.

“What’s happening is a lot of those young people -- about 600,000 a year in the last few years -- have been turning 18,” he explained. “They are U.S.-born and they’re eligible to vote, but as we know, young people generally vote at lower rates than we see among the general population. That’s part of the reason we see this rising gap between the number of Hispanics who are eligible to vote and the actual number who do vote.”

He added that in presidential election year, too, there’s a growing gap between eligible Latino voters and actual voters, but the gap is bigger in midterm elections. 

While less than a third of Latino eligible voters said they cast a ballot last fall, nearly half of white eligible voters said they voted and 44 percent of black eligible voters said they did.

Despite the large disparity between eligible voters and actual voters among Latinos, there was an 18.8 percent increase in the number of Latino voters in 2010 compared to the previous midterm election in 2006. That contrasts with a 3.8 percent decline in the number of white voters between the 2006 elections and last year’s elections.

Separately, exit poll survey data from last November’s balloting showed that in House races, 60 percent of Latinos voted Democratic, compared to 37 percent of white voters who did. Exit poll surveys in 2008 indicated that Barack Obama won about two out of three Latino voters.

Looking to next year’s presidential race, analysts are keen to see whether the soaring Latino population in states such as Florida, Virginia, Nevada, and Arizona will benefit Obama’s re-election bid.

Given their preference for Obama, he could gain ground in states such as Arizona and Texas, both of which he lost in 2008, simply by registering more Latino voters.

As Matt Barreto, pollster for Latino Decisions and University of Washington political scientist, said recently, “Even if there were no population growth, if you just did Latino voter registration drives, you could continue to dramatically grow the electorate.” 

You can view the full Pew report here.

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The Latino vote sat home in 2010 & you can rest assured they'll be fired up and ready to go in 2012!

The Teapulicans & their antics can kiss the Hispanic vote ADIOS, along with the Seniors who were snookered!

America is slowly but surely waking up to what the TRUE agenda is of Republicans - their so brazen these days the wolves don't even bother to dress up in sheep's clothing!

All jokes are not created equal. When Republican Kansas State Representative Virgil Peck stated that it may be a good idea to control illegal immigration the way the feral hog population has been controlled with hunters shooting from helicopters, he was likely joking.

Unfortunately within that joke he released not only his intrinsic prejudices but his now exposed belief that immigrants crossing the border are less than human. This should not be at all surprising given the faction of the Republican Party now in control. After-all, he is a politician that represents a party that would kill the living to protect the unborn. Extrapolating it to illegal immigrants is not all that difficult

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  • 25 votes
#1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL

The Latino vote sat home in 2010 & you can rest assured they'll be fired up and ready to go in 2012!

Let the choir say Amen


TRANSCRIPT
SHOW AIRING APRIL 24, 2011
Host: Roland Marti

Benjamin Jealous, President and CEO, National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)


Raul Gonzalez, Director of Legislative Affairs, National Council
of La Raza (NCLR)

MR. GONZALEZ: -- over there, and there’s been no bigger champion on the
issue of foreclosures for Latinos and African-Americans than Maxine Waters. So, we s-
-- we see – have seen some real good leadership on that, and she’s worked a lot with
Cong. Gutierrez of – of Illinois – of Chicago.

We’ve also seen groups come together parents got together. And in California, you –
there’s – there’s a parent trigger where you can remake a school if 51 percent of the
parents of the school vote in favor of – of changing it, transforming the school. Those
parents got together, and they said, “We want a better education for our kids,” and they won.


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Republicans are sick to think a group of people will embrace their bigoted hypocrisy.

Ditto that for most youths. Young people have no problem with gays, interracial dating, and other progressive issues.

Got that Breibart?

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:32 PM EDT

Fired up and ready to go!

'cept Obama has kinda abandoned trying to actually do anything about immigration, which has kinda dis-spirited them. And as the article states - a whole bunch of those potential latino voters are young, which means they are by and large unemployed.

Yep, they should be literally breaking down the polls to vote. You know for all that hope and no change. Hell, Bush tried to do way more about immigration than O and his gang.

  • 23 votes
#1.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:39 PM EDT

The only question, Feisty, is whether the party will be spoiled by voter registration legislation intended to intimidate Hispanics, blacks, and the poor.

Don't think the Republicans won't try.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT

Yeah, asking for proper ID just doesn't seem "democratic."

  • 36 votes
#1.4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:21 PM EDT

Feisty

I don't have any idea how the Hispanic people will vote but don't count on the seniors to just happily vote Democratic. Some of us have better long term memory than short. We remember that 600 billion was taken out of Medicare at the beginning of Healthcare Reform and then counted twice in that same bill (Kathleen Sebelius testified to this in Congress) Then President Obama comes out with his budget and guess what we are going to save an additional 5 billion on waste fraud and abuse in Medicare again by 2023. Lets get real here.

We were to get out of Iraq and just two weeks ago Robert Gates is there to tell them we are willing to stay if they just ask.

Do you remember hearing over and over again that the tax payer would not pay one dime more in taxes? Let me tell you that the Democrats that I know are, at best, confused.

  • 29 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

He's going to have to dig deep to find enough votes to get him through 2012. Can't be done with his record.

  • 13 votes
#1.6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT
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We interrupt this thread to bring you a "Fox Breaking News alert"

Bubble headed announcer - "Politicians were not aware but...Latinos care about a wide myriad of issues and not just immigration reform. They care about jobs, the deficit, economic and foreign policy issues. On a more localized scale they care about public schools and the education their kids receive at both the grade school and college level." Talking to camera, "Wait. Is that telepromter script right?"

Bleached blonde news contributer - "Hard to believe, who knew they thought like us?" Shakes head, adjusts tight fitting skirt.

  • 13 votes
#1.7 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT

I think we can all agree that the dems/unions will be busing as many latinos to the polls a possible(legal or not)...note that this report does not distinguish between legal and non-legal as the census doesn't deliniate the difference either. Look at the Dem's motive for amnesty....all these voters!

Once we see both parties for what their motives are we need to elect who is best for the country, not who is going to vote to be a lifetime "public servant" but serve only themselves.

Every voter should have proper US recognized ID and should be required to present it at the polls. What's wrong with that? I have to show "my papers" if I want a beer but not when I am voting for the future of this country?!?!

  • 33 votes
#1.8 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT

Is that "bubble head" hotter than Contessa Brewer?

Cause Contessa, over on MSNBC, really needs your viewership. COme on throw Contessa B. a bone Yellow dog. :)

  • 13 votes
#1.9 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:35 PM EDT

Chris- I think the question may center around WHY NOW, vs WHY when it comes to this issue. I just don't remember all the clamoring for ID back in, say, 2004. Your thoughts?

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT

So regardless of timing it's a bad idea Drive By?

What possible reason could you oppose? You do want the votes to be proper, don't cha DBO?

And I know you'd throw Contessa a bone Drive By. Good man.

  • 12 votes
#1.11 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

. Your thoughts?

That damn selective memory syndrome strikes again... lol

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:42 PM EDT

I wish Obama would yell louder on these issues. Sometimes I feel he does not want to be president anymore. Mainstream media has not brought out the corruption of the Republican party, and I`m afraid a lot of seniors and low income families only listen to the alphabet channels. Word needs to be brought to these people, I`m sure they know very little about whats going on. It scares me half to death that these Nazi thugs are taking over.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT

Yes Exactly Barb

Thats why us Conservatives want to get rid of UNION THUGS .. and the Democrats we dotn want Nazis in this country.

  • 9 votes
#1.14 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:40 PM EDT

The Latinos are not supportive of Obama as many believe. Ray Navero, who writes a national column from San Diego, is rather non-supportive of Obama, a complete 180 degrees from his previous position. Ray is unhappy, as many Latinos are, that Obama hasn't lived up to his pledge for immigration reform. The latest round of Obama speech is nothing more than talk without action.

You may find Latinos vote with their pocketbooks too, and cast aside the strong support Obama had during the previous election.

Both Feisty and Bev have the same medical issues, their rectums are exiting their mouths when speaking.....see your proctologist guys!

  • 11 votes
#1.15 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT

Ah, my buddy Rueben N. He really seems to have come around on Obama. Seems you ignore people to whom you have made very specific promises to long enough and they get kinda uppity.

Again folks - Clinton nailed it. It's all about the economy. And when we cut back, it's the maids, bus boys and construction people that go first.

But who knows maybe Obama will lead from behing a big fat sweeping immigration bill. Adidos amigos.

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:18 PM EDT

Feisty,

You are making the same mistake that many non-Latino people make. We are not a collective.

The only thing that unites us is the common language of our culture. We do not follow the path of one party.

We are just as diverse as any other group. Some are more concerned with social programs while others are more concerned about how our taxes are being spent.

We have the same arguments among ourselves as the people who post on these forums.

  • 12 votes
#1.17 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:38 PM EDT

"So regardless of timing it's a bad idea Drive By?"

Did I say that? Did I get my queston answered?

No and No. Oh well, just another day in the trenches, I guess.

    #1.18 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT

    drive-by - there was and has been plenty of clamoring regarding proper ID and the issue of illegals voting for more than a decade - out here in CA it has been an issue for a long time, and both conservatives and liberals have been talking about this.

    Just because your silly liberal media doesn't cover it doesn't mean it isn't and wasn't happening.

    No good citizen wants non-citizens voting or contributing money to influence our elections. That said, there is plenty of fraud on both sides of this aisle.

    • 7 votes
    #1.19 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:48 PM EDT

    Latinos don't care about American politics. They'd rather live in their little subcultures, off the radar, off the grid. Nothing to draw attention to themselves and the illegals they harbor. As long as they have a little work they can do tax-free, they're happy sub-Americans.

    • 7 votes
    #1.20 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:55 PM EDT

    No politician is going to wholeheartedly tackle immigration reform...true and necessary immigration reform that is.

    Republicans want cheap labor. Major corporate donors like ConAgra, Tyson Foods, etc. depend heavily on illegal immigration to bloat their bottom lines by allowing them a source that willingly takes slave-wages.

    Democrats want votes. Nothing like watching one's voting bloc increase substantially year-over-year simply by allowing a core constituency to regularly commit felonies and abuse the 14th amendment for something it was never intended to do.

    Furthermore, both sides get tons of concessions from foreign powers for lack of immigration reform! Look at how much Mexico makes every year in US$-remittances flowing South over the border!

    The Federal government doesn't care! They don't have to foot the bill for the healthcare, social services and education of this shadow-population. That's the burden of the states!

    --------------------------------------

    *back on topic*

    I grew up in predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods. Very nice and friendly people. But by-and-large most of my neighbors and my Hispanic friends were not civically minded. They didn't vote, many worked largely under the table, and many refused to call the police when they would see illegal activity going on right in front of them!

    They just want to be left alone, and the illegals amongst them want to remain invisible.

    • 3 votes
    #1.21 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:29 PM EDT

    maggie-965735

    Do you remember hearing over and over again that the tax payer would not pay one dime more in taxes? Let me tell you that the Democrats that I know are, at best, confused.

    How much more taxes are you paying?

    Wouldn't you rather have them cut the waste and fraud from Medicare , than give you $15000 to buy health insurance for the rest of your life and when it runs out you are SOL?

    Republicans are depending on folks like you to once again believe the "Death Panel" lies, while not paying attention to them dismantling Medicare.

    • 2 votes
    #1.22 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:43 PM EDT

    Time for Mr. Obama to hold another party at the Party House with the Latino Caucus in attendance.

    Guess he will make ANOTHER PROMISE to give all Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) amnesty and to tell them to get the word out to vote since he can't get it done unless he is elected for another term. Or maybe he will put the word out: Vote for me and you will get a FREE Chevy Volt [made in Mexico] because the last Change you can Believe In slogan "Obama gonna pay for my gas, mortgage, and 'letric" just ain't gonna hack it anymore.

    Fool them ONCE and you can bet a dollar to a donut he will fool them AGAIN.

    • 1 vote
    #1.23 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:19 PM EDT

    ido .. still being fooled by the repubs .. even got ya makeing things up Q anyone want to give there money to the rich .... A IDO

    • 3 votes
    #1.24 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:40 PM EDT

    How about the fact that is being neglected here is that there is a disproportionate number of Hispanics who are here illegally, are being counted and cannot vote anyway. They should not be given the right to vote either if they are not citizens of this country.

    If they are citizens, let them vote. Heck, getting them to help out or participate in neighborhood schools is nearly impossible. The schools are their babysitters so they can work.

    • 1 vote
    #1.25 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:40 PM EDT

    It seems to me that every post I read nowadays turns into a Democrat vs republican rant. All I can say about this story is this. The Hispanic citizens in this country do not vote all the same way. Over the past elections they have been evenly split. Bush even got over 50%of their vote. He also tried very hard to get them amnesty and fix immigration but met Strong resistance from both the right and left.He also tried to appoint the first Hispanic to the supreme court, but that was voted down by the democrats. Now all of a sudden the Democrats are friends to all the Hispanic population. I give the Hispanic population more credit than to fall for that bull crap. The blacks on the other hand, have voted overwhelmingly Democrat for years and we can all see how far that has got them,they too are starting to wake up to the lies.

    • 2 votes
    #1.26 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:38 PM EDT

    Drive-by-

    I agree...why not in 2004? but using your reasoning every time somebody brings this up you say 'why now', nothing will ever get done. I'd rather be the generation that takes a stand against the corruption(yes on both sides) and says enough is enough. If we don't grow the balls to stop it now we will be looking at a "lost generation"....the generation that hands our kids a country worse off than the one we grew up in and works their whole lives to get back to where we were 15 years ago.

    We need to get back to what made the US great and not "progress for the sake of progress"

    • 2 votes
    #1.27 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:04 PM EDT

    Of course they did not have the same percentage vote as are in the general population of the US. mmm... wonder why someone would not be permitted to vote. Could it be that some of them are here illegally, and are not allowed to vote?

      #1.28 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:54 PM EDT

      As long as Latinos shun the ballot box, the GOP will continue to pound them into the dirt.

      • 1 vote
      #1.29 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT

      Someone wrote that we will never have sensible immigration policy because Republicans like cheap labor and Democrats want the votes of non-citizens.

      Not exactly.

      Not all Republicans oppose immigration reform. Those who oppose sensible immigration policy do so for two reasons, and two reason only. First, there are more votes to be gotten by demonizing immigrants and Latinos than there are to be gained by tackling serious issues. By opposing sensible policy, they gain the vote of every bigot in America, a minority to be sure, but a very vocal minority, and it costs them nothing in lost votes.

      Democrats won't stand up for sensible immmigration policy because they are spineless.

      By the way, non-citizens do not vote. I challenge anyone who thinks otherwise to find even ONE documented and verifiable instance of a non-citizen having been arrested for attempting to vote at any time in the past 20 years. Just ONE. (So far, no one has been able to do so.)

      • 1 vote
      #1.30 - Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:22 PM EDT

      Agreed; certainly more shades of grey than I had earlier alluded to, but I was painting with a broad brush anyway.

        #1.31 - Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:49 PM EDT

        Here you go commonsense...

        http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1103/110317lakecounty.htm?f=m

        You should really do a basic google search before you challenge people to find something.

          #1.32 - Fri Apr 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
          Reply

          Insert pointless "Illegal Immigrant Voting" rant here.

          • 8 votes
          #2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:10 PM EDT

          Forget about illegals voting, that's nothing. How about that IED they found in Texas yesterday?

          IEDs along drug routes, in the good old USA, sounds a little scary, right?

          • 21 votes
          #2.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:40 PM EDT

          ...and your blaming Latinos? Please name one domestic terrorist, legal or illegal, that was Latino. Hell, name any terrorist that was Latino. Just a stupid, bigoted series of posts.

          • 10 votes
          #2.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:46 PM EDT

          LOL! Speaking from the left now...

          HEY! I think that IED that was found in Texas (along drug routes) was actually planted there by big business! The (evil) pharmaceutical companies want to protect their monopoly and drive out competition to keep the middle class Americans under their thumb! They want to prop up prices and get rich on the backs of the poor! It's a corporate conspiracy!

          Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?

          • 9 votes
          #2.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:55 PM EDT

          Spanky:

          IEDs along drug routes, in the good old USA, sounds a little scary, right?

          Al Qaeda's in Texas? How the heck did Rick Perry let THAT happen?

          Or were these some whole new breed of non-Muslim terrorists, do you think?

          • 5 votes
          #2.4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:02 PM EDT

          I think Spanker and his Hutaree buddies should move to Texas and protect the fine citizenry there.

          If I was an AlQueida, it sure would scare me off.

          • 1 vote
          #2.5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:14 PM EDT

          Forget about illegals voting, that's nothing. How about that IED they found in Texas yesterday?

          IEDs along drug routes, in the good old USA, sounds a little scary, right?

          If a white guy happens to be arrested for it will you still consider it a big deal?

          • 4 votes
          #2.6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT

          ...or maybe it could be American drug dealers trying to protect their product from being seized by the Border Patrol.

          • 3 votes
          #2.7 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT

          Good golly you libbies are just silly. The cartels are now into IEDs, and putting them in this country.

          And really a white guy? Do you find a lot of white guys in the cartel hierarchy's?

          They already use car bombs. And for god's sake the level of violence in Mexico is far and above Iraq or anywhere else. Just Sunday they found a huge number of naked dead women in a mass grave.

          But hey, maybe you all don't live next to the border, so you are all totally safe.

          Sure you are.

          But hey, this Gun Runner thing-y is mighty interesting, right?

          • 15 votes
          #2.8 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:26 PM EDT

          Ira, you ever hear of the Mexican drug cartels? Cause, i'm thinking, they could be responsible.

          • 4 votes
          #2.9 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:45 PM EDT

          Hey, I'm thinking that they may have taken over Mexico but to try this stuff in the US would stupid and one thing for sure....they are not stupid. Subs and tunnels and god knows what. Do you really think they would want to incite the wrath of the US? That border would be locked down tighter than a tea baggers mind!

          • 4 votes
          #2.10 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT

          LOL, So Anna you think IEDs are somehow related to Al Qaeda? That has to be the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. I guess that would put a sh*t load of holes in your idea that Al Qaeda is not in Iraq would it? Oh, by the way they are here and loving life or death, depending what their doing that day.

          No Spanky they're not silly, they're uninformed on what's going on in the world and that makes them ignorant.

          • 4 votes
          #2.11 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:54 PM EDT

          You might be right, if there wer a president who acted when something happened, rather than spend three days disbelieving it happened, finally make a stupid statement, spend another week disbelieving it happened, make another stupid statement, finally wrap his mind around the event three weeks later, and make a state,net that makes sense, too late.

          Anyway, what are they worried about? That Obama would rhetoric them to death?

          I highly doubt that the French would come in and force him to act, so there is no downside for a drug cartel that I can see.

          • 10 votes
          #2.12 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT

          3WolvesandaMoon

          I guess that would put a sh*t load of holes in your idea that Al Qaeda is not in Iraq would it?

          No Spanky they're not silly, they're uninformed on what's going on in the world and that makes them ignorant

          -----------------------------------------------------------------------

          From an ignorant poster.

          You're right, Al Queda is in Iraq. They weren't there until we illegally initiated a war whose foundation was built on lies. Once involved, we gave Al-Queda a place to fight us. Al-Queda from all over the Middle East and Northern Africa joined in. They're called Al-Queda in Iraq and we gave them a home.

          • 4 votes
          #2.13 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:27 PM EDT

          And really a white guy?

          Yeah, no, you're right. Everybody knows a white guy would NEVER play with explosives. What the hell was I thinking?

          • 1 vote
          #2.14 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:29 PM EDT

          That's right, noid. After all, it was Michael Bloomberg who opined that the Times Square bomber was very likely to be somebody unhappy about healthcare reform.

          Kind of turned out to be wrong, huh?

          So, since the obvious turned out to be the reality in that case, I am sticking with the Mexican drug cartel.

          Until proven wrong.

          • 5 votes
          #2.15 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:48 PM EDT

          no joe, no bo, nj

          That's right, noid. After all, it was Michael Bloomberg who opined that the Times Square bomber was very likely to be somebody unhappy about healthcare reform.

          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          Could be. Since we’re pulling theories out of our ass, let me try a few. Maaaaybe … it’s a liberal amnesty shill upset at Nazi America’s tolerance of Arizona’s immigration law? Maaaaybe … it’s a gay-rights supporter irate at the slow pace of progress on “don’t ask, don’t tell”? Maaaaybe … it’s a nutritional fanatic angry that the City hasn’t completely banned salt yet? (Actually, that would make Nanny Bloomberg a prime suspect.) Maaaaybe … it’s the president’s old pal Bill Ayers reliving his glory days? Anything’s possible, so why not have the mayor of the country’s largest city speculate idly on the national news about it?

          • 8 votes
          #2.16 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT

          Ah Ira, Noid and the rest of you silly little libbies. It is a fact that an IED was found in Texas. It is a fact that the cartels routinely kill in the US.

          Let's just hope for your sake that it isn't your car that runs over the IED, or your family that gets taken out in the next shoot out.

          You bet it's bad on the Southern border, but they are coming to a town near you. Christ in 1986 we had 2.5 million illegals, mostly concentrated around here. Now we got 20 million plus and they are everywhere.

          You all are just blissfully behind the curb. Have fun catching up. Oh and make sure you all max out your uninsured motorist coverage. Cause they might not have licenses or insurance but they are certainly driving. Oh, and they have a proclivity to drive drunk. Seems in their culture driving drunk is no biggie. That and the fact that it's not like they are going to lose their license or have their insurance rate jacked up.

          Naaaa, if you think about it there are some real benefits to being illegal. I especially like the whole no taxes and ID theft part.

          • 5 votes
          #2.17 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT

          It is a fact that an IED was found in Texas. It is a fact that the cartels routinely kill in the US.

          Gee, Spanky, will it help you feel better about yourself if you actually are correct in your assumption that a member of a Mexican cartel did this?

          ...because that's what it is...an assumption.

          Hey, you may be right but until they have a suspect in custody you just don't know.

            #2.18 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT

            Spanky...

            Yes an IED was found in Texas. No one knows who put it there. FACT.

            Cartels routinely kill in the US. Any support for that one at all?

            There are 20 million illegals everywhere? How do you know? Were they in the Census? Guessing I'm sure.

            They have a proclivity to drive drunk. More than all other Americans? How do you know? You take a poll?

            Bigoted generalizations not based in fact.

            • 3 votes
            #2.19 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:48 PM EDT

            Ira, Ira, Ira.

            The IED was found on a drug route. Have you seen the drug runners in Texas, Arizona and Cali? They come across with AK 47, and worse. And all I have to do is watch the news - the cartel violence around here and in Az and Texas is well documented. But yeah, lets go with gianormous coincidence, shall we Ira?

            As for the drunk driving thing - that came from my pals in the San Diego DA and PD. ointing out bad parts of a culture is not bigoted.

            For instance Arabs don't treat women too kindly. In fact the machismo in the Mexican culture is in many ways similar. Just spend some timein a domestic violence unit on a Monday morning. I have, and it ain't pretty.

            But tell you what - you tell me how many illegals we got. Travel around the central valley or LA much?

            • 2 votes
            #2.20 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:22 PM EDT
            Reply

            maybe the latinos think that by not voting they won't have to help pay the US's ever increasing debt.

            • 7 votes
            Reply#3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT

            And they won't contribute to it, either. In fact, they'll be revenue positive, at least from your point of view. Every nickel that they send to the Social Security Administration using phony SS## will be syphoned off to fund tax cuts for you and your wealthy friends. Meanwhile, impoverished illegals will still clog the emergency rooms and die alone and desperate in back alleys.

            And while that's happening, non-illegal seniors with Alzheimers -- other than Paul Ryan's grandmother, of course -- will not be able to find insurance coverage for that condition with their meager vouchers, leaving them on the streets to fend through themselves and pick through the garbage in wealthy neighborhoods like yours.

            For which all these folks would gladly thank you, but you defunded the courses that would have taught them your language so you could have a new Jaguar.

            And ain't Ayn Rand grand?

            • 5 votes
            #3.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:10 PM EDT

            AM - revenue neutral. You are joking right?

            Yeah, try getting care at an ER in SO Cal. The UC hospitals are literally going under, under the weight of all that free health care.

            But sure - if only the illegals could speak English they could get a Jag. Only in Obama world.

            Gosh, poor old Drive By can speak English, but I'm guessing he ain't got no Jag, right buddy?

            • 7 votes
            #3.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

            Too many electrical or other maintnance histories to justify the price, Spank. Nope. No Jag for this guy.

            • 1 vote
            #3.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:40 PM EDT

            Would have agreed a few years past, but lately they get very high marks. Sat in a brand new Jag four door last weekend.

            Very, very nice. Same price as a new S class or 750 IL. Concern would be re-sale.

            • 1 vote
            #3.4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:44 PM EDT

            Spanky - You are right on the money about ER's in SO Cal. My cousin is an ER doc there and the free health care is killing them, that and the gang related 'injuries".

            • 11 votes
            #3.5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

            Spanky,

            Folks who don't live in the Latino states have no knowledge or understanding of the issues hospitals have with the illegal population. In the Central Valley, and NCAl, we also have our issues with costs escalating due to this problem. Many illegals don't even drive to the hospital, they call their ambulance to carry them there. Additional costs to the hospital, passed on to those with health care.

            And don't forget about those border birthers who cross to have a child in the US, take advantage of US citizenship, collect welfare for the child with a US mailing address common to many illegals.

            But that seems to be OK with the social engineers of the ProgressiveDemocratic Party. Spend for the votes needed to spend more.

            Oh, and in our area, $60 will pay for a green card, drivers license and a voters card.

            • 5 votes
            #3.6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:22 PM EDT

            And isn't is sad that it was Barbara Boxer and the Sierra Club that screwed them Mexican agricultural workers in the central valley. Smelt are way more important than growing food.

            You think they are kinda pissed about that? Unemployment there is like 40%.

            • 3 votes
            #3.7 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT

            Visited the kids in Visalia over the Easter holidays, and was amazed at the acres not planted this year. The Central Valley is the breadbasket of the country, and in some areas of the valley, unemployments is nearly 20% with the U6 over 40%. It is the lack of water, due to the Delta smelt. This minnow, about 2 to 4" long, has a life of less than a month. the ProgressiveDemocrats, Barbara Wa-wa Boxer and her cronies blame it on the Delta pumps transporting water to the valley. Actually, the state of CA imported Stripper Bass into our Delta, and they do feed well on Delta smelt. They also do well with the Salmon migrating from the mountains to the ocean.

            It is amazing how a small group of legislators and their campaign contributing tree-huggers can destroy a farming industry for a minnow.

            • 2 votes
            #3.8 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT

            oh anna - more "what about the poor, the elderly, the sick" Don't you ever get tired of your strawman arguments?

            Why don't you rag on about all the victims of rape, theft, assualt, murder, etc. Don't the victims count?

            Ever hear the phrase "the poor shall be with us always"? Do you really believe that everyone will always be treated fairly or with respect? That there will always be enough $$$ to provide healthcare for all? There is only one point in time that I am aware of when this will occur and it won't be by the hand of any government.

              #3.9 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT
              Reply

              Young people have no problem with gays, interracial dating, and other progressive issues.

              Got that Breibart?

              Bev,

              The majority of young people are not concerned about anything other then what day it is, and what are they going to do.   I would bet that if you asked one of them what is a progressive and what are  their issues they would just give you a blank stare.

              • 13 votes
              Reply#4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:03 PM EDT

              The majority of young people are not concerned about anything other then what day it is, and what are they going to do.

              Agreed. In fact, most if asked a question would ignore you as they keep their eyes peeled to their iphone. For them talking is so last century besides, they need to track their twitter accounts, face book posts and catch the latest viral video - their important stuff.

              • 11 votes
              #4.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:15 PM EDT

              Yellowdog,

              Our kids where over for Easter and my husband was drilling them on current events. Eyes glazed over and the response was, we worry to much, and everything will be OK, just chill out.

              But when he brought up taxes, and gas prices, their ears perked up.

              Its pretty sad.

              • 8 votes
              #4.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT

              My son was home over the weekend.

              We talked about the sustainable energy, the EPA, the economy, technology, gas prices, his courses at college. We talked about entertainment and music. He worked on his schedule and talked to his friends on his iPhone. We had two dinners with various people his age and mine.

              Kids are more attuned than we give them credit for. Perhaps it's we adults who are out of touch?

              • 2 votes
              #4.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:07 PM EDT

              I wish most kids were like your son, but unfortunately they do not care. Sometimes they get tuned in at college,but it bores a lot of them.

              I would love to see more celebs and music artist fire them up like they did in the 60s and 70s, because kids try to tune their parents out.

              • 2 votes
              #4.4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:45 PM EDT

              Hey fielden you all chat about the EPA denying permits to Shell in Alaska for an ice cutter?

              Cool right, now what possible effect could that have on Shell's ability to produce oil?

              You Drive By - Obama really does not like oil production does he? He really meant it when he said our energy prices would "skyrocket." Say, you think he knew about food prices also?

              • 4 votes
              #4.5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT

              Spanky,

              you won't receive your Chevy Volt if you don't vote Obama!

              • 2 votes
              #4.6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:10 PM EDT

              I'm with Fielden -- my kids are interested in world current events, politics, history and science because they have grown up hearing these things discussed every night at the dinner table. When they were in elementary school, I started a dinnertime tradition of sharing with them a news story from somewhere around the world and passing a globe around so that they could each find the country. They are now 9-14 years old and know a lot about the world and can locate countries on a map faster than most adults. Children will be aware of and interested in the world if that is how they are raised to be. We shouldn't give up hope on this next generation -- each parent can set high standards for their own children.

              • 1 vote
              #4.7 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:05 PM EDT

              Cal_CHi Sounds like you are doing a great job parenting but it is not your age children I worry about. I am in a position that hires a lot of grads right out of college and I can tell you the majority don't give a crap about politics or the future. They are so used to their parents checkbook and credit cards taking care of everything. I have even had parents call me regarding performance appraisals on 24 year olds. I am not sure what they are going to do when they have to be the decision makers.

                #4.8 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:30 PM EDT
                Reply

                It's rather obvious it's because most are illegal - the MSM just can't seem to say, or consider, the fact that most new Hispanics to this country are not here legally. Stop the Liberal political correct BS and speak the truth.

                • 14 votes
                Reply#5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:24 PM EDT

                How can any news media speak the truth when they are fed nothing but LIES!

                • 2 votes
                #5.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT

                Well Shawn they are supposed to uncover the "Truth" by doing investigative journalism. But then again when was the last time you can remember journalism that was based on fact and not ideology?

                I wonder if the huge amount of mony spent on political ads to the "Media" dose.'t influence them to look the other way so the money keeps rolling in.

                Just a thought.

                • 4 votes
                #5.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:37 PM EDT

                People have the misconception that because we are Hispanics we are less intelligent or somehow suffer some kind of mental block that does not allow us to see through the BS that is being shoved in our faces. Well all us so called spics like to keep our vote reserved until it is time we know it will count, and 2012 is still a little ways off. So let the GOP continue to think that our vote is weak because after what they are putting all the people of this country through, we are going to put an exclamation point behind the Obama vote. So let time prove what is right.

                  #5.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:30 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  All hard working citizens of every race, color and creed need to vote Conservative for the right to choose his or her own destiny without being frog marched to the totalitarian tune of the pathological liars and criminals trying to control every aspect of our lives from their lofty thrones, well fueled jets and limosines in Washington

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:27 PM EDT

                  Molly--The Republican legislatures in the states have already passed the new registration laws designed to limit registration of those who "might" vote Democrat, i.e. people of color and lower economic strata. It feels like the literacy laws and government exam requirements used to disenfranchise African-Americans in the South before the Voting Rights Act was passed.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#7 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:30 PM EDT

                  The last census counted all peoples, whether citizens or not. The Hispanic population may be drastically up but that does not mean they are eligible to vote.

                  • 7 votes
                  Reply#8 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:32 PM EDT

                  thetotas

                  Young people have no problem with gays, interracial dating, and other progressive issues.

                  Got that Breibart?

                  Bev,

                  The majority of young people are not concerned about anything other then what day it is, and what are they going to do. I would bet that if you asked one of them what is a progressive and what are their issues they would just give you a blank stare.

                  You like Spanky are out of touch


                  Do either of you have young adults?

                  Breibart's Plan


                  Under my plan, the party will grow as the parties grow. Weekly keggers and Guitar Hero and karaoke fundraisers can make a mockery of the self-serious poetry slam-faced Obama youth movement. The Greek system on college campuses can experience a resurgence mocking the inanities of the emerging nanny state - just like they did during the roaring Reagan ‘80s.


                  We’ll even throw in some Republican punk rockers and conservative performance artists while we’re at it. They do exist.

                  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/24/the-kids-are-all-right/?page=3

                  Spanky-

                  Fired up and ready to go!

                  Hell, Bush tried to do way more about immigration than O and his gang.

                  You are a LIAR

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#9 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT

                  You may be right about young people, but you know who does seem to have a big problem with gays?

                  Out here Prop 8 passed based primarily on the high turnout of blacks. They came to vote for O, but they voted in mass for Prop 8.

                  So Bev, why do blacks hate gays?

                  Oh, and what did Kobe call the ref the other day? A fine upstanding and successful bigoted black man, right Bev?

                  • 8 votes
                  #9.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:39 PM EDT

                  Spanky-

                  You may be right about young people, but you know who does seem to have a big problem with gays?

                  Out here Prop 8 passed based primarily on the high turnout of blacks. They came to vote for O, but they voted in mass for Prop 8.

                  So Bev, why do blacks hate gays?

                  Oh, and what did Kobe call the ref the other day? A fine upstanding and successful bigoted black man, right Bev?

                  Hey why not ask your self, black don't hate gays, just because you assume it passes is because of blacks who you thought were voting for Obama would vote against prop 8.

                  Spanky, when you assume you make a ass of you and me!!!!!! more you than me,

                  Man on the court that has been used for years, it mean nothing,

                  Spanky you and Joanna are reaching , for what who knows !!!!

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:50 PM EDT

                  Bev,

                  Not only do I have 3 myself, but I have a huge Italian family and the majority are young adults. Out of touch, I wish. My kids are way to honest with me.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:52 PM EDT

                  HAHAHAAH!!!!

                  Nice Spanky!

                  and To quote Kobe... "She asked for it!"

                  • 4 votes
                  #9.4 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

                  Sorry Jeff, there were about 5 million articles and studies on the effect of the black vote on Prop 8.

                  Don't hate the player, hate the game Jeff.

                  Oh and SOB - She most certainly "got" it. Right in the old pooper she did.

                  • 1 vote
                  #9.5 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:36 PM EDT

                  Feisty Redhead be careful what you wish for - Latinos are Republicans they just don't know it yet. On the social issues they are Republicans; also many blacks support a ban on gay marraige. Course, we don't hear about their racist opposition in the media as we do for Republicans. Dems = hypocrisy at every single turn.

                    #9.6 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:45 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Latinos are very Independent! If you think Latinos like Obama because he is black you are out of your mind.

                    High unemployment,high fuel prices, no immigration reform, the Latinos are well informed and have seen the promises being broken.I'm not saying they are going to vote for Trump or Palin but I still think Hillary will run and win.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#10 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:36 PM EDT

                    dream on !

                    • 1 vote
                    #10.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:47 PM EDT

                    Because dream on is not a retort of any substance or essence I'm not sure where you stand.Dream on sounds a little hope and change to me. I'm not voting for Obama again,this has been a horrible mistake.He said he wanted gas prices to be like Europe and he has suceeded, unfortunately it wasn't said til after he was elected. I never would vote for someone who deliberately forced gas prices up so we would drive less then try to demonize the oil companies. This is not what a good American would do, we left Europe we don' t want to be Europe.

                    • 11 votes
                    #10.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:58 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    x

                      Reply#11 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:46 PM EDT

                      what, is there someone new in the machine?, just hand out the right booze, load em on a bus, fake their id, and give them a print out on who to vote for. tried and true by the libs for decades.

                      jeez!

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#12 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:48 PM EDT

                      Fiesty - The Latino vote stayed at home in 2010 and your "crystal ball" says they are coming out in 2012 for the "underdog"? ....uhh....can you tell me what GM's stock will be worth in October too?.....psssst.....the "shellacking" the Democrats took on 11/2/10 (according to Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann) was not about absentee Latino votes.......others showed up at the voting booths that day and they were really, really, really, really pissed off at the Democratically controlled Congress(according to Bill Clinton).......check it out. Ira Lapin knows.....that woman is just a cornucopia of "facts"..........just ask her.

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#13 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:56 PM EDT

                      The Latinos are a hard working, honest bunch. In other words, don't assume that they will vote Dem/Socs because hard work and honesty are NOT two words I'd use to describe that party.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#14 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT

                      It's not the two words I would use to describe either party.Look who are the leaders on both sides of the aisle. We need a new crop in D.C. I'm not sure where to look.

                      • 3 votes
                      #14.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
                      Reply

                       I'm Latina and I voted once in a local election and once in a past presidential election.  My life did not change for the better so I never voted again.

                        Reply#15 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:26 PM EDT

                        It's your right to vote or not. I hope more people don't feel that way though.

                          #15.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:30 PM EDT

                          My comment is if you don't vote, don't complain. Change takes time and your side doesn't always win but you should still exercise your right to vote.

                            #15.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:38 PM EDT

                            If you don't vote you can't complain about the people in government or the laws they pass. You didn't vote for the change you wanted to come to pass. You're fault.

                              #15.3 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:41 PM EDT
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                              How latino's can back the far left liberals this administration is about, is perplexing. They really side more with the GOP on morals, ect...They just have radical leftist leaders...like RAZA. That will change. Marco Rubio will start in, and may good GOP latin's are coming up! Time to take america back from the lefty Obama and his ant-american czars. A battle is coming my friends...on many fronts.

                              • 5 votes
                              Reply#16 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 2:54 PM EDT

                              ..Maybe the Dems can crusie the barrio on Election night and get some well deserved illegal votes.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#17 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:02 PM EDT

                              Oh man, I love these threads because they bring out the wackos on both sides of the equation. No wonder we aren't getting anywhere in this country.

                              What I am wondering, and from a purely statistical point of view, is if the 16% figure given as the official percentage of Latinos in the US includes only registered peoples or all Latinos, including undocumented workers and "illegal aliens" (for lack of a better term). I ask because if this 16% does NOT include undocumented peoples, the number is far underestimated and this information is somewhat skewed.

                              As to the above comment about Republican scare tactics to keep Hispanic and other minority voters away from the polls...I seem to remember a few incidents back in 08 with the Black Panthers and ACORN?? Oh how short-term our memories are.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#18 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:03 PM EDT

                              How latino's can back the far left liberals this administration is about, is perplexing. They really side more with the GOP on morals, ect...

                              Tommy, are you referring to the morals they preach or the ones they practice?

                              • 1 vote
                              #18.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:59 PM EDT
                              Reply

                              I thought everything was Bush's fault?................I soooooo confused.............

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#19 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:05 PM EDT

                              Here we go again the ultra liberal dumocrats, president obama and the liberal press spliting the country along ethnic lines again.

                              It's time to be Americans and vote what is in the nations best interest. Put Americans first and put the hyphenated tag aside.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#20 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT

                              My chicano hubby received a call from our local Congressman's office, who lives just two miles from us. I drive past his home every day. The pollster asked my hubby questions about immigation and getting fed up, he finally asked the pollster, why are you asking me these questions? The poller replied "because your Latino. Isn't immigration important to you?" The conversation was much less pleasant after this. Why do so many think Hispanics just got here or only second generation at best?

                              If the Republicans want a good chunk of the Hispanic vote, quit acting like their second class citizens that just came across the border. Quit acting like immigration is all they care about when many have been in this country for a few hundred years, like my hubby's family and when the speak of family "back home, they're talking about San Diego. Start valuing them 365 days a year and not just when an election rolls around.

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#21 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:08 PM EDT

                              Baily Quarters I'm not really sure what your point is, since your hubby and his family has been in this country for several generation just what does your hubby think about illegal immigration. Does he view it as an hispanic that would like to see more illegals made legal or does he view it as an American Citizen that sees we are being invaded by illegal aliens.

                              Does he view his Spanish heritage as evil because the Spanish conquered what we now call Central and South America and slaughtered hundreds of thousands if not millions of so called native peoples like the hispanics accuse the white Europeans of doing in what we now call North America.

                              • 1 vote
                              #21.1 - Wed Apr 27, 2011 8:08 AM EDT
                              Reply

                              I guess the requirement of being able to read the ballots and understand them - in English - would put a damper of the number of ILLEGAL Hispanic voters, eh?

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#22 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:12 PM EDT

                              everything already is in english and spanish where I am, soon the legal tender will read:

                              In God We Trust and

                              En Dios Confiamos

                              • 2 votes
                              #22.1 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:39 PM EDT

                              If Democrats have anything to say about it, even God will be taken off the legal tender. Probably replace it with In Obama We ....oh never mind.

                              • 3 votes
                              #22.2 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:01 PM EDT
                              Reply

                              Hispanic voters are just waiting to see who will give them the most entitlement goodies. As Democrats have proven, the more freebies, the more votes. A taco in every pot, so to speak.

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#23 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:41 PM EDT

                              Hispanic voters that are legal citizens will vote. And they are not happy about the illegals or Obama. Do not fool yourselves. The people that open these threads are at best illegal and illiterate.

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#24 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:06 PM EDT

                              Ya know I bet that a large percentage of those 18y/o Latino's this article talks about are born to illegal aliens. Who in my opion are not American citizens.

                              I've seen 13 -16y/o Latino girls pregnant; encouraged to get pregnant by illegal parents who know that by her being pregnant & delivering here in America at the expense of American, it will ensure they get a free "ticket" to staying here.

                              I'm all for legal immagration, but the illegals must be "rounded up" and deported they are not benefitting our economy, they are and have been for decades adding to the economic burden that Americans have unknowingly been paying more taxes for. Medicaid has been used to pay thier medical bills and then they get welfare for the kid until it's 18y/o. I see it everyday at work in the hospital. They use the ER becuase they cannot be turned away and then they are registered as "undocumented" with a ssn of 999-99-9999 or 000-00-0000 and the source code used to bill is state medicaid.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#25 - Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT
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