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FILE - In this April 5, 2011 file photo, Donald Trump attends the 'Dressed To Kilt' fashion show to benefit the Friends of Scotland Organization at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York. (AP)
From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Carrie Dann
*** What Donald Trump says about the GOP: As Donald Trump’s 15 minutes extend to 15 days -- and possibly 15 weeks, if he does end up running for president -- the inevitable question is getting asked: Why is someone who’ll probably never be president, let alone the GOP nominee, receiving so much attention? Part of it is Trump’s celebrity (remember that Warren Beatty attracted a considerable amount of buzz when he was mulling a White House bid). Part of it is the media (that have zeroed in on him the same way they did to Sarah Palin and even Christine O’Donnell). But most of it has to do with the Republican Party. As Politico’s Martin writes, Trump is filling an appetite of a particularly vocal part of the GOP base that wants a presidential candidate who will offer "who will offer no-holds-barred criticism of Obama." Martin adds, "With no other Republican hopefuls gaining traction, Trump has become a blinking neon stand-in for a candidate who will go beyond mainstream boundaries and make the case for why Obama isn’t just a bad president presiding over a declining America but perhaps an illegitimate one."
*** “No one in the field excites me right now”: Conservative writer David Frum makes a similar point, describing the type of Republican voter who would find Trump appealing. “What you want is a candidate who will take the fight to Obama. Really fight him. Mitt Romney? He’s no fighter. He’s a CEO, and you’ve had it with CEOs. Mike Huckabee? Seems like a nice guy, but if you want a sermon, you’ll go to church. Now this guy Donald Trump, he’s kind of a blowhard. But he hates Obama just as much as you do. You don’t take the birth certificate thing seriously, but if it annoys the liberals, what the hell.” (By the way, the latest New York Times/CBS poll finds that 47% of Republican voters believe, incorrectly, that Obama was born in an another country.) Another component fueling Trump right now: a lack of enthusiasm for the entire GOP field right now. South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (R) summed it up in an interview with the AP: "I'll tell you, right now: No one in the field excites me right now."
*** Santorum’s big swing: Next week, Rick Santorum embarks a major campaign swing that makes it seem like it’s 20 days until the Iowa caucuses, instead of the actual 290-plus days. On Monday, it’s to Goose Lake, IA. On Tuesday, it’s Dubuque, IA, Dyersville, IA, and Cedar Rapids, IA. On Wednesday, Santorum heads to Marshalltown, IA. On Thursday, it’s to DC for a foreign-policy speech. On Friday, he speaks at the NRA’s annual meeting in Pittsburgh and then heads to Manchester, NH. And on Saturday, he delivers remarks at another event in New Hampshire. That’s nine events in six days in three states (plus DC).
*** Johnson enters the ring: At 9:00 am ET in Concord, NH, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson is expected to announce that he'll be the latest Republican to enter the presidential race. He holds a media avail in Concord at 10:00 am, another media avail in Manchester, NH at 2:00 pm, and a kick-off event in Manchester at 7:00 pm. At best, the libertarian Johnson will be the 2012 version of Ron Paul. At worst, he'll be Mike Gravel. Johnson favors the legalization of marijuana and a guest-worker program for illegal immigrants, and he opposes the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- all of which puts him at odds with much of the GOP base. Where he isn't at odds: Johnson supports lower taxes and limited government.
Other clips...
“With less than a year to go before the Iowa caucuses, Republican voters have yet to form strong opinions about most of their potential candidates for president in 2012, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. Only those possible contenders who regularly appear on television — or have made bids before — are well known enough to elicit significant views from their fellow Republicans. And of that group, only one, former Gov. Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, is viewed favorably by more than half of the Republican electorate.
Also: “A plurality of Republican voters, 47 percent, said they believed Mr. Obama, who was born in Hawaii, was born in another country; 22 percent said they did not know where he was born, and 32 percent said they believed he was born in the United States.”
National Journal’s Reid Wilson notes that there are substantive policy differences between the potential GOP candidates -- more so than there were in 2008 -- but most of those significant debates have been ignored so far as shiny political objects dominate much of the media coverage of the race.
(However, in 2008, you had one top-tier candidate who supported abortion rights -- Giuliani -- another who supported comprehensive immigration reform -- McCain -- and another who had previously supported abortion rights and stem-cell research -- Romney. That seems to us like more ideological diversity than we’ll see from the GOP field in 2012.)
Donald Trump may say he's looking forward to showing the world his "huge" financials, but no one else in the field is really all that jazzed about shining a light on their tax returns. "A POLITICO survey of the major GOP hopefuls found that none are promising to making their tax returns public, as then-candidate Obama did in 2007 and 2008 — as well as during his Senate campaign in 2004 and later in 2006."
PAWLENTY: The S&P's negative warning about the U.S. credit rating is highlighting each potential GOP candidate's own track record, and it's not great news for former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty. "Almost all of the GOP presidential hopefuls with gubernatorial experience can boast upgraded credit ratings for their respective states during their tenure in office, with the exception of former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty," writes The Hill.
ROMNEY: The former Massachusetts governor accused the White House of "laughing off" the news from S&P and urged Obama to meet with the ratings agency himself. "In my own view, this is not something to be laughed off as the president’s people seem to be doing. The president really ought to personally sit down and meet with S&P."
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Here’s another illustration of the damage that’s been done to our democracy, thanks to the Citizens United ruling & the Kock Brothers:
Looks like we can KISS Land of the FREE & Home of the BRAVE goodbye!
Communism at its Finest!
Papers Please!
As for Trump, all he hasta do is Say "Look at Me" & all the DumbA$$ MSM come running.
Pathetic!
Feisty, You are right on. These guys will stop at nothing.
fisty what do you mean we can kiss land of the free goodbye? How does an employer mailing info out jeopardize that? You have the freedom to write an article and mail it out to anyone you would like this election. What's the big deal? Like ACORN was a up and up orgainzation wink wink
When I was growing up, we used to have Carnivals come into town every year. Something new was added every year & that brought in the crowds. Even the Freak Show added a new twist that was sure to Stir up the Imagery of what was Really behind the curtain.
Thats what todays Republican Party reminds me of:
The Traveling Carny FreakShow!
The RightWing MSM can't get enough of the FreakShow!
Damn its not even Friday and here we are again...... Its time to ChaCha..... Koch Koch Koch.....cha cha cha Rove Rove Rove cha cha cha....... OoOoOo poppa mau mau Bush Bushy Bush do the hoki poki and lose some of that liberal BMI! Thats how you do the Liberal ChaCha!!!!! You progressives jump right in too!
The one line in the article that rang so true to me, was the Donald "hates Obama, just as much as they do". They will grab onto anyone who will feed their hatred and disdain for "that Black man in their White House", it's a sideshow for their racism, pure and simple. They deny and deny, but their actions and words belie their true persons, small minded, bigots. You ain't foolin' us true Equal Rights lefties!
"What's the big deal? Like ACORN was a up and up orgainzation wink wink"
WTF does ACORN (now defunct) have to do with this????
"Thats how you do the Liberal ChaCha!!!!! You progressives jump right in too!"
You left out the verses that go "Birth Certificate Birth Certificate" "socialist socialist socialist" and "Kenyan Kenyan Kenyan", adn the chourus that goes "the rich need MORE breaks....: MORE breaks...MORE breaks" otherwise, neat little refrain.
Despite being uncomfortable with this sort of politicking, the fact remains that every American has the responsibility to become informed and make a thoughtful decision before casting their vote.
Mass abdication of that responsibility is when we'll have to worry about the land of the free and the home of the brave.
What's really amusing about this is the fact that even such a laughable candidate as Trump can get NBC and all of you libs so riled up. His "candidacy" is obviously tongue in cheek, yet Leftville is in the full attack mode. Must be because you all aren't really too confident of Obama's reelection chances.
Every employee has the right to know how elections will affect their jobs. Let's look at Peabody Energy. They are the nation's largest coal producer. Shouldn't the employees have the right to know which candidates the company feels have the coal industry's best interest in their agenda? Labor unions certainly don't have any problem telling their members which candidates they feel are working in the best interest of labor. You need to get a grip on reality, Feisty Redhead. It's not a one way street.
Ron, It is in her case! Fiesty, Bev Navyboy and Ed the educated one all live on one way streets just off De Nile!
Rick,,,you have been sucking on that KY Blue Grass to much, Trump to the Democrats i just another Republican blow hard going no where, as with the rest of the wannabee's on that list.
Spider - I realize that Mr. Trump's "candidacy" is "tongue--in-cheek." And, I'm somewhat confident that President Obama will win relection. What is disgusting about Mr. Trump's "campaigning" is that it indicates that he has no respect for presidential elections; rather, he has turned them into a mockery. Additionally, he is pandering to the low-information voting; he is perpetuating the "birth certificate" myth, and some believe it.
Now, why is he doing this? One reason is, as Jargon stated above, that we don't take the responsibility to become informed about our candidates. And, this does not apply only to the birth certificate issue. We need to make the effort to sift through all the liberal and conservative propaganda before we can ever hope to cast intelligently cast our votes for our elected officials.
Feisty Red Head,,, oh and I suppose the Unions dont encourage specific Democrat candidates selected by them and supported financially by them. Additionally you have left wing organizations like ACORN fudging voting ballots and paying transients to vote a certain way,, And for some reason that doesn't bother you.
And for clarification this whole economic debacle started with Clinton's 1995 program "The National Homeownership Strategy" to improve home ownership in America. And with HUD chairman Cisneros, got Fannie and Freddy Mac to start taking on substandard loans to meet the Community Reinvestment Act criteria.. You don't think it all started with Bush do you? Are you that stupid and narrow minded??? Go read ALL the facts not just the ones you like, a great number of people were involved from both sides.
Clinton had Robert Ruben and Ex Goldman Sacks administrator as Treasury Secretary, and with his help approved of the Gramm Bliley Leach Act, or the Financial Services Modernization Act approved in 1999, Go read Clintons signing speech, he was DELIGHTED to sign that legislation.. don't be so stupid,, Goldman Sacks has its hand in the whitehouse for 20 years, and you dont know it. Go watch a movie that won an academy award this year called "Inside Job" its a good start to comprehend what transpired. The only problem with the movie is it leaves out Clintons program to improve homeownership in America, and Barney Franks and Christopher Dodds involvement with messing with the System with Fannie and Freddy Mac
And where do you think Robert Ruben ended up after his tenure with Clinton? working for Citigroup making 15 million a year,, wow, a Dem making bukoo bucks for a company on Wall Street,, Dems are just as guilty.
Who do you think one of Obama's biggest financial supporters was during the election?? Goldman Sacks, I thought all those Wall St investment houses were in the Republicans pockets?? uupp I guess NOT,, Obama was their man, as they dont want to get prosecuted for helping with the economic collapse.. Go do your homework,, not just bitch about it..
A great read and very informative web site to investigate is called, "The Affordable Mortgage Depression" go read it if you have half a brain or are you too scared to know the real truth, not just what you what you like to hear.. -go ahead now go to that site,, Google it,, and read what happened,,and watch that movie too.. thx, a feisty brown haired guy..
I'm curious,
Often when I read these articles, and read the comments, I find Feisty redhead at the top of the comments. Though I would'nt put it past MSNBG to hire her, I am curious how she ends up their so often.
I mean seriously, most of her arguments are either completely off topic/irrelevant (like this one), incoherent or non-sensical. I don't get it. Maybe she just gets up early?
Yo, Red- looks like ya doing something right.....
ALL WE GET is no-holds-barred criticism of President Obama, and quite frankly it's sickening.
If Republicans want to get more votes than just their right wing extremists, they're going to have to come up with some concrete information on EXACTLY what their plans are to make this country better, and I don't want hear about more tax cuts for the wealthy.
EXACTLY HOW can Republicans improve the "quality of life" of the average American?
Constant hate speech isn't doing anything but driving people AWAY from the Republican and Tea Bagger Party, and I'm never going to change MY vote based on hate speech or more tax cuts for the wealthy who aren't even asking for anymore tax cuts or tax breaks.
Actually, Republicans would be VERY lucky if they could even get people to trust them again after they lied to me and the rest of the American People for 8 consecutive years, and then have been demagoguing for the last 2-1/2 years.
TO: Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL:
I read your very interesting post about Koch and I have to say it just makes me wanna puke, especially when Republicans accuse Democrats of doing this exact same thing through Employee Unions.
The "Koch Directive" telling people who to vote for sure sounds like nazism to me. Unfortunately, the weak minds in the Republican and Tea Bagger Party just might follow Koch's instructions out of fear of what Koch might do to them if they DON'T follow Koch's instructions.
TO: jollyoldsoul1 who wrote:
“Damn it’s not even Friday and here we are again...... Its time to ChaCha..... Koch Koch Koch.....cha cha cha Rove Rove Rove cha cha cha....... OoOoOo poppa mau mau Bush Bushy Bush do the hoki poki and lose some of that liberal BMI! Thats how you do the Liberal ChaCha!!!!! You progressives jump right in too!"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And you wonder why Dems think Republicans are "whackos".
"100% of Republican voters believed in whatever Trump/Palin/FauX told them to believe about Obama."
Donald Trump represents exactly what the Republican Party has become: a group of self centered, egotistical, Evil, wealthy, conservatives whose sole purpose is to put down the majority of Americans while making a buck off them.
The SOB even tried to trade mark "You're Fired" in 2004. I guess he wanted to really cash in after he heard from GWB that the phrase would be used millions of times after the second term in office. :)
You Buzz - is there ANYTHING they won't b!tch about? I mean seriously...
To say that I'm irrelevant, only to follow up with another comment about/to me! LMAO!
@American Girl - SCARY stuff indeed! These pr!cks think they're going to buy this country!
I got news for them - not on MY WATCH! ;o)
Feisty, You sure know how to get'em going, haha. About the Koch's............they have been financing this tsunami of demagoguery since day one. They have obvious reasons for doing so if anyone cares to look, not all economic, however. They have a vision of a new world order. I term it plutarchial fascism.
As far as Trump goes, everyone should leave him alone. He is making damn sure that the idiocy of the Tea Party makes it all the way down the aisle to center stage (election time) where the spotlight of truth and reason will show them to be the idiots that perpetuated and/or listened to and believed the demagoguery. He's making an effort to save the US and the rest of the world from these teanuts, and may just succeed single handidly in doing what no amount of democratic party rebuttal can do.
For any of the mentally challenged right wingers who don't understand what I'm saying:
demagoguery is a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears, vanities and expectations of the public—typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes.
H. L. Mencken defined a demagogue as "one who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots."
Above taken from wikipedia
Anybody care for a cup of tea?
The TP'er even hacked into the Facebook Town Hall Meeting that Obama had,
Barack Obama's
internet 'town hall' meeting hijacked by cannabis questions
US President
Barack Obama had to ans
Hey Ron - No employer should be telling their employees how to vote. It comes close to cohersion in the workplace...similar to those employers that send out those little donate envelopes with your pay stubs and suggest "coherce" that you donate to their pet charity. In fact some companies automatically take the donation out of your pay unless you specifically request they don't. Of course it's frowned up if you don't donate. Same thing here. The company is using its' employees to further their political agenda and it should be illegal to do so. I wonder if there's a list somewhere of all the products on the market that are produced by Koch Industries. If there were such a list, I wouldn't buy one thing on that list. Americans should boycott Koch Industries. Their power is too great for a democracy.
So let me see if I've got this straight, the "coherent" arguments against those that they disagree with are:
John: idiots ,demogoues and Plutarchian fascists (whatever he thinks that means)
Feisty: scary pricks
American Girl: hate speaking whackos, Teabaggers. All of which make her want to puke.
and then there's Dirp: "Donald Trump represents exactly what the Republican Party has become: a group of self centered, egotistical, Evil, wealthy, conservatives whose sole purpose is to put down the majority of Americans while making a buck off them"
So I believe I will stick with my original assessmnt: Incoherent, irrelevant and nonsensical.
One of you even had the audacity to say they (you know, those really evil republicans) never come up with any ways to fix the mess we are in, "all we get is no-holds-barred critiscism of Obama"
Give us your sensible argument on how we get our country back on track. We are overspending to the tune of 1.6 trillion dollars a year (for now). We are not sure of the when and why of our past, present and future military incursions, and many of our fellow countrymen are out of work. Surely you have ideas other than the disgusting, seriously over-generalized character assisinations you've posted so far. Attacking someone's intellect, there ideas, philosophies or plans is much different than portraying an entire portion of the country, or an individual you don't know, as motivated by evil. You guys need to grow up!!
Here are a few of my ideas. Have at em.
There has been no substantial inflation since 2002. Is it not at least conceivable that our government should go back to the spending that we had then? In other words substantially CUT the budget. I realize that our wars have added to our budget, but that is really not the main reason we are spending so much more than we were then. Establish the cut amount, then haggle over the what. I believe doing so will also stimulate the economy, bringing back jobs.
Get rid of corporate tax, its unfairly weighted against small-midsized companies anyway, as large corporations find/lobby loop-holes or send there money overseas to avoid paying. We need to keep that money here.
Lastly, military policy (here's where a bit of Trump comes in, though I would'nt vote for the guy)
If we are ever forced or invited to send our military into a country, it must satisfy both strategic and humanitarian reasons, and
1st: We always, always go all in, no more of this wishy washy stuff. You either have valid arguments and convictions or you stay out. (I would have respected the president either way on Libya if he had just showed some conviction). I do not want our troops under a Commander in Chief who is not all in.
2nd: We make that country pay for that incursion (including financial benefits for the families of U.S. soldiers who have fallen/injured) in cash, or by taking over a financially viable resource until the debt is paid. And we do it without appology.
Those are called ideas people, you may disagree with them, call them stupid, or me stupid (I can take it) for bringing them up. But they don't make me evil, a prick, a whacko, egotistical, or any of the other character assassinating terms you've thrown around. Nor do my ideas do the same to you and those you feel you represent. Now lets see what you've got.
Some facts for you all;
From The Hill, -Piously posturing as the savior of Medicare, President Obama lashed out at the House Republicans for embracing the budget proposed by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.). But a comparison of the president's own plans for Medicare with those in the Ryan budget shows that the Democratic cuts are far more immediate and drastic than anything in the GOP proposal.
While the Republican Medicare changes only take effect in 2021, Obama's cuts will begin hurting seniors right away. The president's healthcare legislation imposed a hard spending cap on Medicare -- the first time it has ever had one -- which he has just proposed lowering by another one-half of 1 percent of GDP (a further cut of about $70 billion a year).
Obama's cuts, which will take effect immediately, are to be administered by his newly created Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) of 15 members appointed by the president. Its recommendations for cuts in Medicare services or for reductions in reimbursement will not be subject to congressional approval but will take effect by administrative fiat. Right now.
The IPAB will be, essentially, the rationing board that will decide who gets what care. Its decisions will be guided by a particularly vicious concept of Quality Adjusted Life Years (QUALYS). If you have enough QUALYS ahead of you, you'll be approved for a hip replacement or a heart transplant. If not, you're out of luck. Perforce, many of these cuts will fall on those at the end of their lives, reducing their options to accommodate Obama's mandate to cut costs. If death comes sooner, well, that's the price of aging in Obama's America.
Ryan's approach is totally different. First, he does nothing at all to cut benefits for those now on Medicare or for anyone who turns 65 before 2022 (leaving me in the clear!). Second, the Republicans would leave the elderly in charge of their own medical decisions by letting them spend their Medicare money as they wish. The subsidy they would receive for health insurance would permit them to buy plans tailored to their needs. Just as a myriad of insurance-company plans sprang up to fill the mandates of the new prescription drug benefit, there will likely be quite an array of choices for the elderly of 2021. Finally, the savings from Ryan's plan will be plowed back into Medicare, prolonging its life, rather than being diverted, as Obama would do, into paying for a new entitlement for younger people.
But the most important difference is that Obama's cuts are now and Ryan's are not. Any budget projection is a guess. When the projection is made two to three years in advance, it is conjecture. Ten years away it becomes fantasy. Who can possibly tell how the American economy will be doing a decade hence? What revenues will it generate? And the only thing less certain than guessing about the economy is projecting healthcare costs.
Medicine is on the verge of a revolution akin to that which followed the creation of antibiotics. Genetic medicine and ultimately nanotechnology are about to change everything. No longer will we fight cancer by cutting or burning or poisoning diseased cells. Instead, we will use DNA and RNA to predict cancers and grow healthy cells. Who knows what the costs will be? Possibly, they could be lower than our current range of therapies.
And, between now and 2021, Congress will be able to change the Ryan plan as it chooses. But the early deaths triggered by the rationing decisions of Obama's IPAB cannot be saved. Their decisions are, for the elderly of today, irreversible.
Democrats are drooling over the prospect of conducting the elections of 2012 over Medicare. They better watch their steps. The truth might come out!
Tod, Maybe you should run for president then!
To ignore that demagoguery is a form of political action is to be unaware of what goes on around you. Do you admit demagoguery defines a reality or not? Does it exist or not, in other words?
To say that there is no demagoguery is your choice, if you so choose. If you admit it's existence, then to include "idiots" is not off-track by any means. It obviously take an idiot to believe such obvious untruths. Or does it?
If this will help in understanding my post, then:
Plutocracy is rule by the wealthy, or power provided by wealth.
Fascism A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator,
in this case a dictatorship of the wealthy, somewhat in the sense of a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat".
Plutarchial Fascism............has a kind of nice ring to it, don't you think?
No, I think its stupid and irrelevant.
I am well aware of Plutarch's Philosophy's (Plutarch's lives, not so sure you are though), and I know what a Fascist is (please don't make up definitions, its embarassing). Nor am I particularly interested in what your thoughts are on demogoguery
How bout you give us your plan Einstein (or criticize mine), cause your not really impressing me.
Tod,
Least on my list would be to impress you. Top on my list would be to enlighten you.
When plutarchy describes rule by wealth, and 2% of the population controls 90% of the wealth, and when almost every congressman is in some lobbyists pocket.............what makes my statement stupid or irrelevant? Fascism is related to the attempts to focus anger towards certain groups of our society, just like the German fascists used the Jews, in order to mobilize a population and get them to accept and allow repressive actions by the government. Mexicans climbing fences. Inner city blacks living on welfare. Unions breaking state budgets. On and on. Lazy illiterate garbage men making 100 grand a year. On and on. Socialized medicine. On and on.
Nothing I said was either stupid nor was it irrelevant. I've actually had to bite my tongue to keep from saying in my own words how absolutely dangerous some of these teanuts really are.
My plan? Only to get the public to learn how to identify truth and how to identify misinformation. Other than that I trust in the American public to be able to make the right choices.
No you don't!
You have opinions. Those opinions line up perfectly with the latest liberal talking points, and no matter how many times you or others say them, that does not make them "identified truth". When American opinion lines up with yours, you trust them. But when it does'nt, they are "dangerous teanuts". Your comments (and those of your contemporaries) presume evil intentions on those of us you disagree with. You compare them to fascists (actually using Jewish holocaust rhetoric), and you expect me to be enlightened by you, seriously?
Your definitions are irrelevant and stupid because they are born out of the irrational wickedness you automatically impart to those you disagree with. You are able to disguise it ("bite your tongue) better than some, but that does not change the fact. Your solution; no arguments other than disseminating your self professed truth, and identifying what is not your self professed truth.
Tod,
So my stating that 2% of the population controls 90% of the wealth is an opinion? Or is it a truth? The number of times I write that effects not its truthfulness.
Whenever I see someone using false or misleading information to influence America's future and call them on it is "presuming" evil intentions? No, it is recognizing evil intentions.
I am coming to believe that you are beyond enlightening, haha.
If speaking truths "lines up" with the "latest liberal talking points" then that definitely speaks well of the liberals, doesn't it?
You certainly have a tendency to simplify things down to where your mind can grasp them.
Go ahead and post all your "plans" to save our country, and whine when no one thinks it worth their effort to get involved in discussing them with you all you want. More power to you.
And about fascists............I've read so many posts on these threads by "wanna be" killers addressing such issues as illegals or mexicans or welfare recipients or unions that show the intense desire for violence to be used to "Save America" that I have every right in the world to call this thinking fascist and to warn everyone I can of the consequences of such thought.
Ain't it great to live in America where you can have your own ideas and opinions and I can too?
"...what makes my statement stupid or irrelevant? Fascism is related to the attempts to focus anger towards certain groups of our society, just like the German fascists used the Jews, in order to mobilize a population and get them to accept and allow repressive actions by the government. Mexicans climbing fences. Inner city blacks living on welfare. Unions breaking state budgets. On and on. Lazy illiterate garbage men making 100 grand a year. On and on. Socialized medicine. On and on."
And on and on and on.
That John, is opinion, and that opinion was not directed at an individual
'wanna be Killer" but at an entire group of people you disagree with. I am all for "recognizing" those with evil intentions (left or right), go for it. My problem is when an entire thread is filled with careless posts from people whose only intent is to demonize an entire group of people with whom they disagree. The perceived injustices you mentioned are not universally thought of in the same way by all conservatives. Pick out what policy you disagree with and make your argument against it, or don't (it seems you have chosen the latter). But just mentioning them, without any explanation or argument, to show your disgust with whatever position you believe is so worrisome does not impart truth to anyone. It only shows you know how to spell.
You lump anyone who is conservative into those who "show an intense desire for violence to be used to Save America" (against, Mexicans, Illegals, welfare recipients and unions I suppose). What are you talking about, and did you seriously put unions in that mix? The only violence I have seen of late has been from the union side.
It is great, but personally I prefer opinions that have logical, common sense arguments behind them, not passionate rhetoric.
Feisty Redhead,
Many feel this to be true, since the takeover of government by the Progressive movement in '06. Hopefully, many of us will be working hard to defeat your annointed one (the guy Bev's astrological shows to be the peoples choice).
By the way, my natural weed-whackers are doing fine in the vineyard, and your namesake, Feisty, actually believes she controls the herd. She's always showing her a$$.
Feisty, The Koch brothers literature you are complaining about has nothing to do with the Citizens United decision. But just so we can think about this in real world terms, how is what the are doing any different than what unions do all the time? Yet I don't see you complaining about that. Just admit it Feisty, you are a hack plain and simple. Criticise the opposition for what they do but when your boys engage in the same behavior its all just wonderful.
Feisty only involves herself in conversations with those who pat her on the back for her outrageous comments. I don't think she has any coherent arguments to offer someone who disagrees with her blatherings. This thread is filled with her mutual admiration society, and they don't like to be challenged (john engages, but on reflection, I'm not quite sure we were discussing/arguing the same issue).
Ahhh... another low information voter... lol
Maybe you should of read the post before commenting:
As for you Tod - Good luck finding someone to converse with you when, you start off with a personal attack! ;o)
I have neither the time or energy to 'entertain' the ignorant & that includes YOU!
Feisty: unless you have 100% voting for a particular candidate in an area, how can anyone ever be sure who voted for which candidate.
I don't know where you are, but here in the US, we use blind ballots. Voters names are not attached to ballots and how an individual votes is NOT released to their employer. It can't be.
An employer may threaten or intimidate a GROUP of employees by saying something like "if Scott Walker does not survive the recall vote, we will have to terminate 50 employees in the Madison Brawney plant, because only his policies will allow us to keep that many employed"(example only, I don't even know if there is a Madison Brawney plant) but they would have a difficult time proving how an individual voted. However, they would be able to lay off that many anyway, so whats the point.
Thanks for the feedback dirp!
What about an employee who wants to put a bumper sticker on their car or a sign in their yard?
It reeks of suppression & coercion in my book! If a corporation is now considered a 'person' then, I WANT to see their Social Security number!
And then there's the John Birch element to it...
Fiesty: you're welcome. I think that allowing the companies to broadcast their opinions at least lets the employees know where the owners/management stand. What if you were a lower level management guy, up for promotion, and you didn't know where the upper management stood. You could be shooting yourself in the foot by having a bumper sticker/yard sign.
Most intelligent people who want to get ahead don't broadcast their opinions in a way that can (easily) be traced. I don't even want to get into the things which can be done with technology, paranoia, and evil intent.
I guess the only part of Citizens United I disagree with is that it, apparently, allows people to influence elections while hiding behind the anonymity of private "not for profits." If Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, the Koch brothers, Soros, Rove or anyone else is stating an opinion by buying massive amounts of advertising, I think the voting public should know that. The fact of their buying only changes HOW it is done, not the fact that it is done.
Feisty: you are exactly what is wrong with our country. You and people like you. Obama's agenda is to destroy. How old are you? And when Harry Reid told the Casino owners to direct all of their employees to vote him back in what was that? And you'd rather support a George Soros who is evil to the core? Are you paid to sit on these blogs and desecrate this country?
Feisty is just a Obama troll who has a limited view of society. If it isn't a libbie cause or libbie ideal, you are trash for confronting her. Without her libbie web sites for source information, she continually shows her a$$.
She's just not worth the time to begin a conversation with. Ignorant Feisty and Bev the Blowhard.
@ Tod-2791955
I like how you lambast others here for not making a coherent argument while not using consistent logic in your own arguments.
You simply divide everything into liberal or conservative and won't acknowledge facts brought up by those who disagree with you.
If you follow the money in politics you will see that things like political party's and left/ right rhetoric is an illusion.
Big Business and Wall Street run this country - FACT
Donald Trump has the luxury of enough wealth and power to be heard and covered by the media...If it doesn't happen due to his celebrity, it will be engineered to happen, because Donald Trump has the resources to do that. I think that is part of the appeal to rank and file Americans. He can stand up there and yell to the rafters about his disappointments with our current government policies and it will be heard, unlike the rest of us. I kind of fear him as a potential candidate, because I forsee something like the Ross Perot candidacy which diluted and diverted the popular vote....Mr. Perot walked away without his life significantly changed, and likewise, win, lose, or draw, Donald Trump is still a celebrity with more money than the average American could even dream about. I respect his business savvy, and I am impressed by his indomitable spirit, the fact that he had gone rags to riches and back again in the public eye without caving in or giving up....I would hate for us to vote, for a president on issues of personal charisma, instead of ability to delivery on what they promise throughout a campaign.
Guess what. The Democrats accepted money from the Koch Brothers too.
I'm sure you won't believe me, or look it up to prove that it is true. That isn't your style Fiesty. You are all words, no facts, no research.
You like to parrot things that make you feel good.
Donal Trump is not going to run. First he will not disclose his financial information because it will show him to be a blow hard and his record of failed companies.
Also yesterday Rep. Michelle Bachmann on TV said that the current birth document is appropriate proof that "Our President" is a US citizen and that should be enough.
She kinda sunk the old Donald's boat on that one.
Why is nobody asking a Presidential Candidate what he thinks about Medicare, Medicaid, the wars we are in, DOD Spending, Tax Reform, how to create jobs here, stimulate the economy and what does he plan to improve education?
Reported yesterday on several news outlets, his TV ratings on his reality show are improving since he became a candidate. Makes you think what his real agenda is/was.
That's a good question, why aren't the republican candidates taking a stand about any of the actual issues facing our country?
They haven't been told what to say yet. That's what I think... None of these people are actually delivering any unique thoughts, their committees and the party are directing them just like they direct FOX news what the talking points are for the week.
Issues? You mean Tele-Prom-Ter and Bill Ayres are not the latest issues? That's not what I heard on Hannity!
They wouldn't want to accidentally commit to a line of thinking so far from the actual election... They have to wait until all the corporate interests are in order, and public opinion is adequately shaped by FOX before they can speak about anything.
How to create jobs? Lets start by bringing some industry back to our nation. Lets drill our own oil. Why do we need to finance others to do their own exploration, and then buy it from them? why don't we get rid of the enviromentalist groups and open our country back up again. What is so hard to see about that? Why dont we bring prayer back in schools again? why don't we say the pledge of allegance again? Why do we let a small group (aclu) run our country for us? We need to stand up and take a stand. "one nation under God, Indivisable, with liberty and justice for all". We need to come back together as a country with one agenda. Right now we are so divided we look like a bunch of kids fighting. Do not vote party lines vote for the person that will actually do his job this time. No more hidden agendas, closed door meetings, more transparency with less government.
degrets
That's a good question, why aren't the republican candidates taking a stand about any of the actual issues facing our country?
They haven't been told what to say yet. That's what I think... None of these people are actually delivering any unique thoughts, their committees and the party are directing them just like they direct FOX news what the talking points are for the week.
degrets,
I disagree. The republicans are telling us what they want to do. They want to transfer money from the poor and the middle class to the top 10% or Americans. They want to eliminate Medicare, Social Security and Unions.
They want to increase taxes on the middle class and decrease them on the wealthy. They want to continue to give tax breaks to very large, very wealthy companies like GE, and take money away from education.
In short, they want to continue what they have been doing since the 1980's. They want to continue the exact policies that caused the Great Depression and the Bush Depression that we are now comming out of.
They are the Real unAmericans.
I saw an interview with a woman who made a fortune in real estate and has written a book about it. She said she had to sue him to get her commissions on some deals. She said he's a nasty, deceitful thief, but she looks forward to the "entertainment" he brings to the Presidential field. That seems to be the attitude of many conservative voters. I tell you, this isn't my father's Republican PArty.
I am not a big fan of the Donald, but I believe I know why he is on top of the list for now; he has put forth a simple plan of when and how to use our military. It's controversial, but it rings true with many of us.
Basically its this; If we are ever forced or invited to send our military into a country (for both strategic and humanitarian reasons) 1st we go in to win, and 2nd we pay for that incursion (including financial benefits for the families of those who have fallen) by taking over a financially viable resource in that country until the debt is paid. and we do it without appology.
It sounds radical but that, along with his stance on China, is resonating with people.
Amy: the Republican Party was destroyed by allowing the fundamentalist christians known during the 1980's as the "Moral Majority" to take control of the party. Since subsequent events proved they were neither a majority or at all moral, the Republican Party lost control of the House, the Senate and, eventually, the White House.
Following a disasterous election process in which the conservatives on the Supreme Court installed George W. Bush as the 43rd President, the Republican Party again lost control of the House, the Senate and the White House. Fundamentalist conservatives again reared their head, this time in the guise of the "Tea Party." Time will tell if America pulls back the curtain, again, to discover their true nature.
check with the economic people, or the CBO regarding his stance on China. Not thought out regarding the unintended consequences. Much like his many failed projects, casino's in bankruptcy, high rise high end housing project..took down payments and didn't complete the project. He's getting his day in the sun by making controvisial statements like his big team he sent to Hawaii to 'investigate' the President's birth certificates. I check my birth certificates and Hospital records and NEITHER of them contain that mysterious gold seal. I for one hope he runs, one more reason to move off my Independent status to vote DEM
TO: drive-by-observer who wrote:
"Issues? You mean Tele-Prom-Ter and Bill Ayres are not the latest issues? That's not what I heard on Hannity!"
^^^^^^^^^^^
Maybe those are issues in Republican-Tea-Bagger Land, but to the Average American those words of yours aren't saying anything.
We have "quality of life" issues that are a major priority to the American People, and that's what I'd like the candidates to speak to.
I have a theory that the Donald is working up his popularity so next year's Apprentice candidates could be a bunch of former GOP candidates, who are reporting to him. He wants to tell them all, "You're fired!"
TO: Ghoster0071 who wrote:
“How to create jobs? Lets start by bringing some industry back to our nation. Lets drill our own oil. Why do we need to finance others to do their own exploration, and then buy it from them? why don't we get rid of the enviromentalist groups and open our country back up again. What is so hard to see about that? Why dont we bring prayer back in schools again? why don't we say the pledge of allegance again?... We need to stand up and take a stand. "one nation under God, Indivisable, with liberty and justice for all". We need to come back together as a country with one agenda. Right now we are so divided we look like a bunch of kids fighting…”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The last part sounds great, come together, etc., it’s just that Republicans don’t have any new ideas, they just keep on coming up with the same old ideas that have already been soundly rejected by a majority of the American People over and over again.
The American People are taking a stand but Republicans tend to push us back because they don’t work for the American People, Republicans work for the greedy (not the needy).
Maybe Trump is a closet Democrat. I hope he wins the primary... he'd be pretty easy to tear down.
A long time ago, he said he liked Obama and hated Bush.
That's some pretty dirpy logic dirp. This thread is just plain silly.
@Tod-2791955:
The real silly part is, there are some people who would actually vote for this multiple adulteror, multi-time bankrupt, lier.
Donald Trump is proof positive that anyone can become a millionaire if they work hard, use their education, screw their employees, toss their partners under the bus, have no ethics about paying their debts, oh , and start out in business by having their parents give them a few million dollars.
Dirp, I have posted, in the thread above this one, my ideas. Do you have anything (really anything at all) that even resembles a plan to take this country forward? Because all I can gather from you so far is that you feel all things and all people that you disagree with (conservative, I presume) are motivated by evil. Come on give us your wisdom.
Tod, If you really think that posting some "plan" full of your "ideas" on these forums is going to have any effect at all on changing what's going on then you are really taking yourself way way too serious.
That's funny,
This from the self professed imparter of truth, and regulator of misinformation.
Do you really want to continue to play this game John?
I would like to hear your positive way forward, and no I won't take it, or my own ideas to seriously. I just want to hear good ideas, "enlightening" ideas. So far a few on the right have offered on this thread, but nothing from the left, only what they don't like.
Tod, no, no sense in continuing this game. I think you are suffering brainlock and you think I am suffering brainwashing. Doubt if we would help one another or anyone else by poking back and forth like this. I accept that here in America we have the freedom to disagree and you probably do too, so on that note of agreement I wish you the best of luck.
Agreed, and back at you.
Though it might have been "enlightening" (for me) to know what it is that we disagree upon, "I prefer clarity over agreement" Dennis prager
US Navy Disabled Veteran - Retired
I agree with you that the Donald will run. He's just having fun and of course, he won't disclose his actual earnings. Not because he is a blow hard as you state, but because he like many people, don't feel the need to disclose.
I also agree with you here Navy. They should also ask about his energy policy, and if he believes high prices will help Government Motors and his "green policies". When gas rose to $3 gallon under Bush, the libbies went Whacko. Now they are quiet when it hit $4 to $5? Is this due to the fact it's happening on his watch? Wait and see the rising cost for groceries. Why isn't anyone coorlating this to the energy policy?
Now how can a study by his AG do anything to lower costs? Isn't this another cop-out by the President? Study my butt......The AG has a tendency to vasilate as much as Obama does.
That Donald Trump is getting as much traction as he is with the right wing is illustrative. They are not serious about ideas, they want sound bites. They don't want problem solving, they want more divisiveness. What this tells us is that the "teabaggers" love them some reality television....and that they can't see the difference between a very boring television show, and world affairs.
What this really says is we will take almost anyone over Odumbo
Exactly. You will take an actor who can play President, yet doesn't know the first thing about running a country, over someone who actually can and does run the country. Out of simple hatred for the man.
Americandude - When people resort to name calling to make their arguments, their arguments must be weak.
You are absolutely correct dude,,,the Republicans will take anything and anybody,,credibility does not matter as well as ability. Proof is in the field as it sits,,,Palin, Bachmann, the phony Mitt,,,the Donald to name a few. Not one of these people is taken serioulsy as a presidential candidate.,, outside the Republican circle.
The only person from the GOP who will steal my vote away from Obama is Mike Huckabee. He has demonstrated that he knows what he is doing where budget balancing is concerned via the role he played in balancing the Arkansas state budget. All the other presidential candidates that the GOP is offering up are clowns in a three ring circus. Donald Trump included.
The regrettable truth of the matter is that in politics we are given a choice between the hopelessly corrupt, the hopelessly crazy, or someone who is both corrupt and crazy (ie a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea). The opus, I find, is that I'm not willing to take a crazy person over a corrupt one. Obama may be corrupt (even if he went into this with good intentions he's corrupt now), but he is intelligent and he isn't crazy. Most of the GOP presidential hopefuls are some form of crazy. Particularly Sarah Palin and Donald Trump. I won't vote for that no matter how corrupt the incumbent is.
"Trump is filling an appetite of a particularly vocal part of the GOP base that wants a presidential candidate who will offer "who will offer no-holds-barred criticism of Obama."
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LOL, so TYPICAL of some conservatives to care MORE about "attacking Obama" than about the QUALIFICATIONS of their candidate or his ability to make GOOD decisions for America and help the American PEOPLE. They made the same mistake in 2008 and LOST the presidential election bigtime.
It's no wonder that the GOP is accurately known as The Party of NO!
I agree. Some conservatives, but not the majority, must resort to attacking the President's character rather than debate the issues. I suppose that can be said is true of both sides. However, I've never seen anything like these attacks on President Obama's character; it much more wide-spread than during other administrations; it has become mainstream.
I disagree about Mike Huckabee. He has pandered to the faction of the Republican party that takes issue with President Obama's birth certificate. While he did not specifically mention the birth certificate, he did pontificate about the President's "Kenyan" upbringing and how it effected his worldview, specifically his anti-colonialism views. Well, then he tried to say that he meant to say Indonesia, but I find that hard to believe. He specifically mentioned the MauMaus.
Aww I got collapsed. Still I'd vote for a rock over Odumbo.
Sorry to upset you libs by calling your GOD Odumbo but I have no respect for the moron.
I'm not sure how demanding that propaganda not be used to assassinate the character of someone makes that person my God. Propaganda runs amok through both sides, and I try to call it out when I see it.
Trump voted for Obama in '08 ... 'nuff said to cause any rational thinking American to question his intelligence and ability to judge people and see through their bull crap. But it also goes to show one of Trump's strengths ... he can recognize a mistake and own up to it and correct it. But he's a broken record and would never receive the nomination but he will highlite Obama's many weaknesses.
Because most Americans cannot hold an idea longer than one twitt. Obama supporter called Hillary and Palin both Bitches..the liberal crowd who claimed they beleived in equality.
Good post Feisty, as always. And, who cares about Trump? All though he may become the Democrats best weapon. I love it. LMAO.
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Good morning, California Tom.
Actually if you guys paid any attention to anything besides what comes out of your own elite educated heads you would know just how much entertainment Mr. Trump has been! Its worth twice the price of admission to watch the rockem sockem robot action of the progressives/liberals when every Mr. Trump shows up. I could not write a funnier comic skit if I tried. As I said before...this is one of the places us independents go to gauge left/right ideas and who communicates them in a better manner. And I have to say even though you liberals all claim and act superior your action speak louder than your words. We understand Mr. Trump isnt going to run! You all make fools of your selves nipping at his heels over nothing!
STOP VOTING FOR RETHUGLICANS AND DEMOCRAPS!!! Vote for the PERSON best suited to run the country, not the smoke and mirrors jacka$$es we keep electing. You know whats wrong with this country? It's not the government it's the people! You all vote for who ever your "party" decides to vote for, Be your own person, not the puppet that your so called party wants you to be.
Thank you Tom! ;o)
I believe your criticism of "progressive" thinking misses the point, jollyoldsoul. It's not that Trump is a buffoon who is a temporary sideshow on the path toward elections. It's that SO MANY Republicans waltz along with him. If the statistics concerning polled Republicans showing 47% believe Obama to be foreign born are near correct, then we have a massive group of poorly informed voters out there that can easily be manipulated by the big lie. This sort of public weakness was exploited quite expertly by the NSDAP in Germany 80 years ago.
If one wants to consider a conspiracy (unlikely, but amusing), then look at Arizona, which is deeply in the hands of Republican control. The legislature has been gutting education for several years. After severely cutting the funding to the state's three public universities, one begins to wonder if there is a Republican theory which embraces an uneducated voter who is easier to manipulate.
Sir Nikon: That was heavy, and thought provoking! Great post.
Trump IS the Democrats' secret weapon.
Sir Nikon,
As I've posted many times before, someone has learned that it is easier to herd sheep than it is to convince intelligent, educated men with reason. All they have to do is strategically place a dog that bares his teeth at the right moment, instilling fear and panic in the herd. They will turn and go wherever you want them. This kinda makes our democracy a sham, does it not?
American Girl, I was thinking you were a lib ! The republican party is trying to do all the things you listed. Drill, bring jobs home, put God back in the picture but obummer wants to turn us into a wellfair state. Carter and Clinton started this free trade BS that took all of our jobs to china and mexico. They were not Republican's. Now that the country is crippled obummer wants to bleed us to death.
HA let me sum up this article for you. The GOP field is full of retreads, liars, loooooosers and fools. That's the best the righties can do.
Yep they remind me of the Democrats for the exact same reasons.
Nice to see you can agree on something for a change
The serial Bankruptcy King pretty much says everything you want to know about the GOP, a group of egotistical whackjobs!
Trump has more followers than you can imagine. The rest are pretty pitiful!!
At least he has guts and calls a spade a spade!! The rest are kiss A_____! with no morals or guts.
He is right --this country is going to HELL and it needs to be GREAT!
So where was he from 2001-2009?
Where were any of "fiscal conservatives" in GOP 2001-2009?
"This country is going to hell!" In the minds of the Christian Conservative Republicans who are so easy to manipulate, by the wealthy types like the Koch Brothers, to do their bidding. They all think that the wealthy will share the wealth. Data shows them otherwise but they still think they will be lucky and get some scraps of money by doing the wealthy's bidding. I hate to tell you but you will get to clean their toilets for a $1 a day. That is what they are aiming for. "This country will go to hell" if the wealthy have their way!
Thank god the wealthy only get one vote to our 99. Unless of course SCOTUS has another brain fart!
And Trump has "morals"? Let's ask his ex-wives about that.
there is nothing moral about an ex wive, ask any divorce lawyer!
And just what do you mean by SPADE???????????????? also please remember folks our President is also half white, no one seems to be able to point this out but you all damn sure make it clear he's black.
Who exactly is Trump calling "a spade" ?
forget about what trump says about the GOP !!! the more important question is "what does trump's position in the polls say about the state of the GOP" ??? THEY'RE IN A HEAP OF TROUBLE IF TRUMP IS THEIR "MAN" !!!
Trump tells GOP signature line "Your Fired"......................... Donald's Hair then does a back flip and runs for the door back to the badger family it came from. News at 11..
The media is broken, MSNBC included. If you extrapolated the coverage that fringe groups get on MSNBC, you would think the Tea Party was 80% of the population, and 75% of people were republican. But that isn't the case, and polls MSNBC uses show that. They just don't want to acknowledge it.
Will somebody tell me where the liberal media is? I can't find it.
Gosh, if you were a Tea Partier, wouldn't you WANT people to think it was a bigger movement than it is? How would it be disadvantageous to a movement to have the media exaggerate their significance?
As for this article, the fact is that 47% of Republicans believe in the "birther" arguments, which is important to many if not most Tea Partiers. And moreover, a candidate like Trump comes along who makes all the extreme Tea Party points, and jumps to #1 in the polls.
So, how are you seriously going to argue that the media is overstating Tea Party influence, when the #1 GOP candidate is spouting Tea Party stuff verbatim?
Most of them don't believe that, no more than does Trump. They are playing a game.
How can you tell? Trump probably it is BS. But the average Republican? I don't know how you can say. Why would people cling to something that has been proven wrong again and again, that Obama was born outside the US, especially when you don't even believe it yourself?
Dumb I can accept. Some people can't help that they are dumb. But the other is just dishonest, which can be helped.
Because THAT many people can't be THAT stupid. And because it plays into their narrative. And because it is that racist "us vs. them" subtext.
I am one of the 47% ers.
The Koch brothers and their agenda must be stopped by whatever it takes or this country will no longer be the land of the free.
you and fisty believe that, are you agreeing with her in hopes of getting in her panties?
It must be difficult typing lefthanded while your right is in a (fisty) in your lap.
Its time to ChaCha..... Koch Koch Koch.....cha cha cha Rove Rove Rove cha cha cha....... OoOoOo poppa mau mau Bush Bushy Bush do the hoki poki and lose some of that liberal BMI! Thats how you do the Liberal ChaCha!!!!! You progressives jump right in too! lmfao......... What panties!
Moderators: if you want us to take seriously that there is a COH on First Read, why has don'tgivemethepenguin not been banned for the vulgarity that he/she posts?
Well, you have to admit he/she/it is obnoxious and not even in a loving kind of way!
Ol' Jollie, Since you mentioned panties, have you checked your depends today?
Doing your hokey pokey must have shaken something loose down there.
You are the one that brought this subject up, not me.
Rich,
I agree 100% that the Koch agenda must be stopped in its tracks before the America we knew completely disappears. But it's not just the Kochs. It's that whole power block.
People should read the classical sociologist work, "The Power Elite" written by C. Wright Mills back in the fifties, I believe. What he studied and reported back then was the mechanism of social control and manipulation that takes place behind closed doors, and it is just as true today as it was then. Main difference, and a very important one, is that they now have at their disposal the tools of the new digital information age. And they definitely know how to use those tools.
As long as there are morons on this earth there will be Sarah Palins to lead them. (donny trump)
Ramses
 I find it very interesting that 47% of republicans believe Obama was born in another country. This reminds me of something I heard once, that rings very true. "The real axis of evil in this country is the stupidity of our people and the genius of our marketing". I guess the Fox repug station, Hannity, Rush, Glenn, and now the Donald are doing a good job.
47% huh! lmao ! Have you seen the easter bunny yet?
This is what our country has come to?
The conservative base simply wants someone who can go "blah blah blah" at the President?
Geez, I hated Bush's policies, but I never wanted to just say blah.
Conservatism is going through a slow, painful, violent death.
That statement has been made by Liberals my entire lifetime. Conservatism isn't going anywhere. That is a myth and a pipedream of Liberals.
Ok, it might still be alive in body, but conservatism is becoming increasingly brain dead.
Why? Because the media loves a story! Especially ones that push ratings! Trump has no chance. Next!
Why is he leading in the polls then? Explain that one. I don't see why he couldn't be the nominee when 47% of the voters are too dumb to realize Obama was born in Hawaii. Those 47% of GOP voters watch a lot of T.V. and probably also like Trump's hair.
Donald's whole M.O. is manipulating dumb people. So it seems to me he's been preparing his whole life to run in a GOP primary.
If you can fool that many GOP voters, then what is to say he can't get nominated? I shudder to think of it, but I just hope the rest of voters, Democrats and Independents, can keep him out of office.
This guy is a total sleaze...he cant even answer simple questions..and when he doesn't know what the answer is ...he tries to change the subject ..Its so funny... he says his marriages failed because he's a hard worker....friends close to the Frump says .. not so !.... ask his X wifes and all those foreclosures !
Once again a vote for the Frump would be a novelty vote as if it were "TINKER BELL HILTON" running for president !
Hey Rosenbergs, the Don has rattled the Barry. You too are shivering in your jackboots. The Great Illusionist days are slowly winding down and soon the people will vote him out. They don't want to hear any more lies. President Now you see him , Now you don't has run out of his magic tricks. The Don is his greatest nightmare.
The Don? So did you hear his comments about taking Iraqs oil? To the victor go the spoils he says, no really, he actually said that. But I don't remember Iraq declaring war on us and vice-versa. And you think this guy is legit? Please keep believing and Repubs are toast in 2012.
This guy follows the exact principals that the GOP Follow... It's about me and I will have as many wives that i want.. The backlash is going to be hair raising. Hair is the perfect example... One either has what it takes or you Don't... Pretending to have it is only kidding yourself...In this case money will not buy trump this JOB.
Why is the so-called liberal media continuing to raise the issue of Obama's supposed illegitimacy to hold office? If the alleged bias were in fact present, wouldn't these supposedly liberal outlets either completely ignore the birther meme, or far more vigorously attack it? In each of the stories that covers this idiotic conspiracy theory, it is the theory itself that gets first billing, and only paragraphs later comes the marble-mouthed soft-pedal reiteration of the facts.
Were in fact these outlets biased leftward, wouldn't they say things like, "despite the facts that have repeatedly been confirmed by Hawaiian officials and others too numerous to mention, Mr. Trump continues to push the debunked conspiracy theory of the repudiated birther movement, which relies on a forged Kenyan birth certificate to 'show' that the President was born in Kenya."
Interesting that it's never written that way.
Now, I can absolutely promise you that I won't be voting for Mr. Obama come 2012; I will once again quite likely cast my vote for the Libertarian candidate. Obama has proven himself to be nothing more than a spineless worm, a tool of the corporatists, and in my view the worst kind of hypocrite: the one who turns his back utterly on his own agenda as he hopes vainly to curry favor with the very people from whom he is stealing.
Despite my detestation of our President and his demonstrated inability to lead a pack of ants to a picnic, I certainly would like to see the nail put into the birther coffin. It's the dumbest conspiracy theory ever hatched, and for the press to keep it alive, and to grant legitimacy to a sideshow clown who has made it a central part of his act is to make a mockery out of the office of the Presidency. This has really got to stop.
And the Mack awakens from his hibernation.
Maybe you can clue your fellow Republicans in, who currently have Trump the birther #1 in the polls. I can't see how that is the media's fault. The Tea Party has been at it for 2+ years now, and if they are a minority they are still a large group and LOUD about their absurd beliefs.
Does the extreme right want the media to ignore them, so the Republican party doesn't start looking crazy? I don't think so.
Since when is reporting stories the right is interested in and keeps talking about equal media bias?
How are you going to feel if the media starts ignoring the #1 Republican presidential candidate? Who's going to decide when he/she starts going batsh!t crazy?
I can't imagine how much the right would start their media conspiracy line if the #1 polling presidential candidate can't get press.
Basically he is someone who has no reputation to disgrace. So he can say anything. He reminds me of Chuck Norris, a supposedly mythic figure until you start examining his personal beliefs, then he becomes just some weirdo of dubious repute who used to fight and can't act. But that is hardly He sat beside Huckabee in '08 and destroyed any credibility the Huckster had remaining. Perhaps Trump can do the same for the entire party.
As for Trump and his financial dealings. He is broke one minute, a multi-billionaire (or trillionaire?) the next. He was apparently arguing the other day whether he was richer than Mitt Romney as if that has any relevance to politics. Maybe he currently is in the red but his past history says that will not hold. Truly Trump is representative of the UGLY American. Ruthless and irresponsible, he makes the perfect Republican icon.
Trump is attracting a lot of attention because he's inflammatory. Most people that safely completed the 3rd grade realize Trump did not amass a multi-billion dollar fortune by being stupid. He is raising questions about the President that would be dismissed as coming from a crack pot were it not for the fact that he commands some measure of credibility simply based on his success. If he's wrong about his allegations, every left wing loon and union thug will be calling for a boycott of every thing he as anything to do with. He knows that, yet he continues. That means he's either lost his mind, or he's got some TRUMP CARDS to play. (had to get that in there). I don't know what the man knows, or what he's got up his sleeve. He may just be trying to get Obama re-elected or he's trying to de-rail the republican party, but it sure is interesting.
He hasn't lost his mind. He knows exactly what he's saying. The Tea Partiers eat up anything that slams the President. Never mind that it's seldom about the country, just the birth certificate. I would think the CIA, FBI and any other agency would have found out anything questionable back in 2008, if for no other reason than to stop a black man from becoming president. If the Tea Partiers got up in arms about something else, that's the ship Trump would climb onto next.
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Not a lot of hope for Repubs, in their presidential field. I think with the way that right wing radio and Fox news are establishing both the agenda and tone, for the Repubs, most serious repubs, don't even consider running. Not only can't they pass the true believer/far right litmus test, they don't want to. The % of republicans that believe that obama was not born, in the US, should scare the hell out of us. It proves that just about any lie, if repeated often enough, can become "fact", in the mindsof the true believer. I long for the day of a more informed electorate, from both parties. If we as voters and citizens don't keep ourselves reliably informed there is no way that we can hold our elected officials accountable; instead we divide up into hyper partisan camps that green light anything our our party does.
Well, you sure are sure that you're right and Trump's wrong. As far as I know, Trump never claimed Obama wasn't born here. He says there is some serious question about it and he's looking into it. Now if he's right, and you are wrong, are you prepared to to come on the Vine and admit you are one dumb SOB, or are you going to just lose the attitude and wait for the facts. Trump didn't get where he was by being stupid. He knows the price he will pay if he's wrong, and he knew that before he raised the question. You might want to hear him out before you pass judgement.
No I don't need to hear him out. The legitimacy of obama's birth certificate has been established, the supporting documentations exists. Trump is trying to get free publicity; you are right, he is smart, it is working.
The republicans let the Tea Party out. The monster has turned against them. Too late for them to put the genie back in the bottle. The Tea Party is trying to take the Republicans to the extreme right. Extremes aren't good on either side.
mad independent, Trump needs free publicity like hot dogs need chocolate syrup. They don't, and he doesn't. The man is loaded, has a top rated TV program and at least 3 Billion dollars. He has other motivation, not publicity. I don't know what it is, but until I do, or this doubt about Obama's history is put to rest, I'm not prepared to discount his message as coming from a crackpot. He has hired numerous investigators to look into the birth issue. I'm sure they are looking into Obama's Muslim ties, and past relationships. All candidates do that. I'm sure Obama's people are looking at Trump. He's far from squeaky clean. He's in the Casino business. He's a real estate wheeler dealer in Vegas, Atlantic City, and Trump international. This could turn into some serious mud slinging. Trump can finance his own campaign. Obama is going to have to raise money and his last election campaign contributions are still being investigated. This will get nasty.
If John McCain would have won the election would he have been called out on the fact that he wasn't born in the United States. We as intelligent people need to quit this stupid bickering and put our efforts into getting this nation back to number 1. We need to bolster our economy and that will never happen by cutting expenses for your way to success. Anyone who has run a business knows that is the beginning of the end and that you have to promote and push for sales or you will fail. Government is in the same situation and we need to work on more jobs even if that means more government jobs to stimulate the economy. We also need to tax the very rich as they have more to contribute than anyone without hurting their fortune.
I love it when liberal rags "analyze" the GOP candidates and pretend they can do so without looking through their obviously liberal lenses.
And I love it when the GOP has so many wacko candidates for President that FAUX an't even decide which clown to annoint as its candidate.
When the right has reduced politics to a lie competition/mudpit wrestling match, nothing from either side would surprise me. What's going on on the right is like penguins crowding up to the edge of an iceflow- the ones that get pushed in will determine for the rest of the flock if there's a leopard seal or killer whale lying in wait. The Republican party understands that Obama will win in 2012- incumbents almost always do- so the real prospects are waiting for the 2016 election, when the left has to field a new contender; frankly, I don't see anyone emerging as a valid prospect on that side of the aisle either. Obama was a real chance to put some fire back into the middle class- and frankly, I'm disappointed- he's been a conciliatory moderate when we needed radical, backbreaking, eviscerating destruction of a coporatocracy which has destroyed our economy and our country for the sake of feudalism's reinvention.
Trump has always acted, on the principle, that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Since he is generating a lot, of his income, off of TV, the more attention he gets, the better. Trump isn't necessarily saying what he believes; he is saying the things that will get him the most publicity. I don't think there is any way that he will end up running; he is too smart and knows what a thankless job it is. He's just taking advantage, of the political wasteland that sums up the Republican contenders.
It is a republican wasteland because you cannot tell Republicans from Democrats. They are both for abusive large government. Hopefully in 2012 we will truly have a choice.
WOW...seems to me that all these states that got hit by all the bad weather this year have all been crying to the fed for help??...maybe we should tell all those family's and businesses that have lost everything to stick it huh??..that's smaller government....Look you cant have it both ways...in a REPUBLACANT WORLD there would be no help for anyone....it would be OH WELL not our problem.....yeah that's the America i want for my children...NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT