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Subscribe to RSSRep. Michele Bachmann, the leader of the House Tea Party caucus and a potential 2012 presidential contender, said Wednesday that she’s prepared to “move on” from questions about the president’s birthplace.
“That’s what should settle it,” Bachmann said on Good Morning America when host George Stephanopoulos showed a copy of Barack Obama’s certification of live birth with a seal and the signature of the state registrar.
Case closed, Bachmann responded.
“Introduce that, we’re done, move on, end of story,” she said.
The Tea Party favorite has not embraced the “birther” movement with the fervor of media-catnip distributor Donald Trump, saying repeatedly – as she said again today – that she “take[s] the president at his word” that he was born in Hawaii.
But she has also nodded in the past to those who demanded that the president offer further “verification” of his birthplace, and she has declined to refute the discredited rumors that the president was born abroad. (She also offered to show her own birth certificate in the first Republican primary debate.)
“The president just has to give the proof and verification, and there it goes. Either it's real or it's not,” she said on FOX earlier this month. “Everybody should put their birth certificate on the table and not worry about it. It doesn't have to be a toxic issue.”
But Bachmann now joins other possible 2012 GOP contenders ready to throw some cold water on the birther controversy -- or at least keep gasoline away from the flames.
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee argued in February that birthplace conspiracies are “nonsense,” pointing out that onetime Obama rival Hillary Clinton’s opposition research team would have been equipped and able to publicize proof – if it existed - that the president is not a U.S. citizen
“For Republicans to even be bringing it up, I think it's a waste of energy and time,” he said.
Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has fashioned his response to the controversy into the opening of a stump speech laugh line. “I'm not one to question the authenticity of Barack Obama's birth certificate," Pawlenty says on the trail. "But when you look at his policies, I do question what planet he's from."
Pawlenty also pushed members of his party to put the questions about Obama’s birthplace to bed. “I, for one, do not believe we should be raising that issue," Pawlenty said on MSNBC in March. "I think President Obama was born in the United States."
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney echoed Pawlenty’s assertion last week.
"I think the citizenship test has been passed. I believe the president was born in the United States,” Romney told CNBC. “The man needs to be taken out of office but his citizenship isn't the reason why."
And Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour dismissed a question about Trump’s high-profile brandishing of the birther mantle last week in New Hampshire, saying simply that “I just accept at face value that the president was born where he says he was.”
Still, with poll numbers showing a sizable portion of GOP voters have questions about Obama’s birthplace, the issue could remain a tricky one for candidates as they appear in front of often-unpredictable town hall audiences.
A recent FOX News poll showed that about a quarter of all Americans – and almost four in ten Republicans – have doubts about whether or not the president was born in the United States.
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lol-
I just love MSNBC's coverage on the anniversary of the Gulf oil spill.
If U.S. gas prices reach $5.00 a gallon on average ahead of the 2012 election, you'll see President Obama wearing a hard hat and working on a Gulf oil rig.
And...he'll still lose.
No matter who he's running against.
Reality...forget ideology.
Okay MB, I say crude will be 60 bucks a barrel again by next year, and the price of gas will not be a factor in the 2012 presidential elections...what else you got?
You know what they say about opinions...but that's mine. What is YOURS based on?
What was the price of gas in 2004?
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/facts/2005/fcvt_fotw364.html
http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/18/pf/autos/gas_prices/
How did it impact on the incumbent?
Forget ideology, reality...I couldn't agree more with that...
If birtherism goes out of style, Mathews, O'Donnell, Maddow and Schultz are going to have to scrounge up 10-15 minutes of new mateial every night.
My opinion's purely anectodal, dangerfield.
I paid $4.18 a gallon last fill-up and summer's coming.
Your links are fun, dangerfield, but...
Five bucks a gallon?
Just curious...anything to substantiate your $60/barrel estimate?
Anything other than a another worldwide recession?
Because otherwise, China, India, Brazil, et al are going to keep pushing higher.
TProgress: House oversight committee chair Darrell Issa (R-CA) is marking the one-year anniversary of the death of the 11 Deepwater Horizon workers with attacks on President Obama’s off-shore drilling policy. In a release on the oversight committee website, Issa accused the president of an “assault on off-shore drilling” and a “retreat from efforts to achieve energy independence.”
But, get this:
Under his chairmanship, Issa’s committee has held not a single hearing to investigate one of most devastating corporate crimes in American history, although even he admitted in March that the oil spill commission established by the president found “a degree of negligence by BP, its partners, and regulators that can only be called shameful.”
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So the Republicans are going to move on from the birther issue? They aren't ever going to move on from the birther issue. It's who they are. Whether it be that our President wasn't born in the USA or that he's a Muslim or a socialist or a communist ... take your pick.
It's who they are. Scare the American people into being afraid that THIS President will use federal funds for you know - PROGRAMS...SOCIALIST PROGRAMS. This is bad. Because it might mean giving help to the less fortunate. Yet all the while letting the wealthy off the hook. Corporate welfare is fine. It's the American way. Republican voters don't mind. They love the rich. For some reason, hard working Americans trust the wealthy, whose only goal in life is to exploit all of us, democrats & republicans and independents. The poor. The working class. The lower middle class. The middle class. With the help of Republican Governors, Senators and Congressmen.
Evidently helping the rich hurts no hard working American in their pocket. But the social programs? Well, these programs will prevent hard working republicans from becoming millionaires. That's the conversation that's going on right now.
If only we had a REAL American President. That's what they want to hear. And the Republicans will deliver. They always do. Birthers now, birthers always - in some form of another - they will always be birthers. They can't help themselves. If they weren't, they would never have let this birther issue go on for so long.
They're in the business of scaring people.
My opinion is just that, an opinion. I don't claim to have a crystal ball, and I can't disagree that gas and fuel prices are about as "kitchen table" and unambiguous as any economic indicator, but as someone who just realized a tidy profit on oil futures over the past few months, I can tell you that what goes up usually goes down, and 18 months from now is a looong time for prices to stay up. The "real" price of crude hasn't changed, just the speculative climate surrounding the commodity. One would expect the politics to shake out to some extent over that period and for prices to descend concurrently...
As a totally tangential aside; I believe we NEED 5 dollar a gallon gas to finally use our vaunted "Yankee ingenuity" to produce a truly viable alternative. How can cell phone batteries increase in power geometrically while batteries for the electric car have been at the same 60-100 mile range/level for THIRTY years?
Carrie Dann has no journalistic credibility. She always leaves off Ron Paul DESPITE the FACT that Paul CONSISTENTLY SMOKES 3/4ths of the list she mentions in ALL CURRENT polls.
Carrie Dann is a joke establishment "repeater" of establishment agenda.
Joe in Albany
"If birtherism goes out of style, Mathews, O'Donnell, Maddow and Schultz are going to have to scrounge up 10-15 minutes of new mateial every night."
They seemed to be doing all right before Trump brought it all up again recently. What else y' got, there, Joe?
Mr. Rogers.
you can't say "smokes a pole" here...that sounds a little obscene...:)
I'm sure the right will continue to supply material for the people listed above. The Republicans seem to have no reluctance to making ridiculous, unfounded, baseless comments, thinly disguised falsehoods and outright lies.
Again, there is no cure for stupid or racism!
OK, dangerfield...
I get it.
You, for your own reasons, think that $5.00 a gallon gas is, on balance, a positive. That's an entirely different discussion. However...I doubt that most U.S. voters would agree with your position. They're far less willing, and in many cases, far less able to appreciate the subtleties of your argument.
Trust me...President Obama doesn't want gasoline prices averaging $5.00 a gallon on Election Day next year.
For me personally...that would be a "you win some, you lose some" scenario.
Yes because Republicans are evil immoral people and Democrats are pure, fair, and good.
You partisan hacks amuse me....
So the end justifies the means.... you don't mind the high price oil scam that generate billions to corporate/state thiefs and people who hate our guts on the other side of the planet versus our more than abundant supply at home where we could put more US good jobs to work and give working class families a break at the pump at the same time?
Give me a break.
Name one Republican candidate who can both A) earn the party nomination AND B) get enough votes from independents and moderates to win a general election.
Romney: Could accomplish B, but not A.
Palin, Bachmann: Might manage A, but terrify the people that they need for B.
Tim Pawlenty: Probably neither. Not enough people have a clue who he is.
Trump: Really? Candidates who make it obvious that they will say anything to get elected rarely do well. Particularly when their selling point of 'business experience' consists of numerous high-profile bankruptcies and a bad reality show. Not to mention that he has too many exes to satisfy the overly religious.
Newt: See Trump, minus the 'business experience'. Plus he scares moderates.
Ultimately, the Republican primary season is going to be a bloodbath, and whichever candidate emerges will probably be damaged goods for the general election.
MB-
If that's what you got from my post then you didn't get it at all and frankly I'm surprised...
I agree that 5 buck a gallon gas would be political hemlock in October of 2012, and that the president (no politician really) obviously does not want to campaign with that millstone around his neck, but the likelihood of the current artificially inflated prices continuing, the BRIC nations notwithstanding, is minimal, and our politicos and big oil have a vested interest in bringing the price down.
We have NEEDED higher gas prices for 3 decades, but our fearful leaders in both parties all cower before the mighty oil companies and the prospect of being tossed out by the folks who elected them, not for MY own reasons, for the economic and POLITICAL strength and stability of the nation. Oil and the places that it comes from have had an undue influence on our foreign and economic policies for far too long, but only a change akin to the transition from horse-drawn to horse-power will make that a reality.
Mr. Rogers
Your sneakers are too tight, it's affecting your attitude and your reading comprehension...
dangerfield-
It's not your fault...it's me.
I just can't get it through my thick skull why oil prices would plunge by nearly half within the next eighteen months or so, given demand...I mean, absent a severe worldwide economic downturn, similar to what happened after July of 2008 on the eve of the Great Recession.
I know that because of our failure to address our debt problems, our economy isn't growing as well as the world economies that have been responsible...they are growing, and they need oil to sustain that growth.
Forgive me...
I'm just not getting it.
Mr. Rogers,
I didn't sat that all Republicans were like that, just enough to keep Mathews, O'Donnell, Maddow and Schultz busy.
Wasn't it Kyl that said that 90% of what Planned Parenthood did was abortions?
Wasn't it Grassley that said the Dems wanted to pull the plug on granny?
Wasn't it Cantor that said cutting the federal deficit would create jobs?
Wasn't it Brewer that said there were headless bodies in the Az. desert?
Wasn't it about every elected Republican that said there would be death panels?
And you call anyone a partisan hack as if you've shown any behavior that isn't partisan?
Give me a break.
I do appreciate your gentle sarcasm, and maybe it's ME who doesn't get it now, but do you understand why the price of crude has almost doubled in the couple of MONTHS since Tahrir Square?
http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/CO/M
It had nothing to do with consumption, production or the price of tea in China. Your usual pragmatism seems to have fallen victim to your rooting interest in this instance. We are both old enough to have lived through several "gas crises", and "debt crises" that were going to be permanent. Those predictions always assumed that things would continue on a linear path, and that's what you're doing above. Of, course the world doesn't work that way, so the gas lines and debt clock have come and gone and come back again several times.
The rising demand of the BRIC nations didn't double the price of a barrel of crude, PANIC did. What goes (artificially) up must eventually come down and our "leaders" and their friends in big oil will make sure that Americans have cheaper gas by the summertime, let alone election day 2012...
and our relationship means, to quote Erich Segal "never having to say you're sorry"...:)
drive by observer, you just want to talk nonsense, don't you. The only reason it has even been brought up is because of conservatives that can't criticzes the pres. on anything so you are stuck on this issue. Keep it up please and you'll see what happens. Maddox and the rest on msnbc can talk about real issues, sorry that fox news will be the ones that don't have a clue on what they can do to make the pres. look bad.
Wait a minute, dangerfield...
Wait a minute.
Our "leaders" will make sure that gas prices are lower by Election Day?
Hmmm...who would that benefit?
If that's true...
Can you shed a little light on who, exactly...our "leaders" are?
I mean, the ones who'll make sure that gas prices will be lower when President Obama stands for re-election?
Selective reading?
Our "leaders" would include the leaders of both political parties, who all are up to their dipsticks in oil money
"Though former oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney occupied the White House for eight years, the oil and gas industry could not win support for repealing bans on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. However, Congress voted in 2008 to lift a ban on offshore drilling. These companies are also wary of cap-and-trade climate change legislation, such as the measure Democratic President Barack Obama supports. Yet Obama still received $884,000 from the oil and gas industry during the 2008 campaign, more than any other lawmaker except his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)."
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=E01
our "leaders" and their friends in big oil will make sure that Americans have cheaper gas by the summertime, let alone election day 2012...
It is as it has been, and high gas prices don't really help either party, or big oil, especially now that both parties have some responsibility in the electorate's eyes. There is the government we elect and then there is a permanent government that has existed since the days that J.P. Morgan bailed out the economy in a past "debt crisis", the "panic of 1907"
...of course that is just an opinion
and no mention of my "love story" allusion...
The price of oil has been consistently going up for the last 20 or so years. This is because oil is not a renewable source, and the cost of drilling for it increases every day. For this reason, the country must switch to better sources. And by this I do not mean natural gas or coal - those are sources that have been shown to be no better. I'm talking about solar, wind, hydroelectric.
I don't know if I could handle the suprise if Republicans stopped talking about President Obama's birth certificate and focused on, well you know, the issues. If the birth certificate of our sitting president is the most important concern for Donald Trump and other presidential hopefuls, it tells me they either don't know anything about our nation's problems, or don't care. When they start offering real solutions to real problems, then maybe I'll listen. Until then, it's just the Republican Tabloid at the supermarket check-out. Amusing cover, but not worth buying.
OK. I want to put this stupid fallacy about oil drilling to bed once and for all.
Every time gas gets near $4/gallon every idiot and GOPer starts stumping on drill baby drill, as though this is some kind of a solution. It is most certainly not a solution and the reason for this is how oil is sold on this planet.
Oil is a commodity. C-O-M-M-O-D-I-T-Y. It is drilled in the Gulf by international corporations, not by the U.S. of A. That oil belongs to BP, Exon, Shell, Mobil or whoever else sucked it out of the ground. We here in this country do not get a discount simply because it was drilled on our soil or beneath our waters. The price is set on the international markets. OPEC, China, Russia, and every other supplier and end user determines the price of a barrel through supply and demand. "Well if we drill more won't we be increasing the supply and thereby decrease the price?" No. That is because oil is subject to trading in the commodities market as well as supply and demand. Speculators drive the prices up when there is even just the threat of supply disruptions. So between despot OPEC nations and greedy speculators, the price will not come down simply because BP drilled a few thousand more barrels out of the Gulf of Mexico.
Even if we did drill baby drill, we wouldn't see increases in production for years and by then our demand would have gone up. "But doesn't drilling create jobs that we need?" Yes, but so does alternative energies - which we can produce here at home and are not subject to price spikes driven by speculators. Investing in oil is like giving a needle to a junkie just to cure his sickness. It won't cure him of the addiction. We need to invest the billions of dollars that we waste subsidizing oil and use it to build a 21st century energy infrastructure that is protected from foreign influences - and that we can be proud of!
So Bachmann just saw a certified copy of Live Birth for President Obama, the exact same document he submitted 3 years ago to the Federal Election Committee, and now she decides to say "move on, it's over"???
Maybe she's not as dumb as she usually comes across.. . . . NAH!
Pat in Boston – The woman who forwarded the chimp E-mail was not the exception—she is the rule who just so happen to get busted for it. Racism is not the correct word, rather "bigotry," which includes the Muslim or socialist fear-mongering.
In regard to the Republican delusion that they are "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" -- The anger in the Tea Party is understandable—these people feel marginalized. But as Joy Behar said, what's not understandable is Tea Party anger at others who are also marginalized. It's even less understandable why the marginalized Tea Party supports policies that will make themselves even more marginalized.
Once again, the only explanation is that teabaggers are bigots, and misinformed ones at that.
Mr. Rogers, the black and white, Manichean good versus evil mentality belongs to the ignorant far-right, and religious zealots—in other words, conservatives.
Composer – True about the GOP/TP primary versus the generals and moderate voters. However, as we all know from history, Republicans will get out and vote lock-in-step, even if their candidate was Karl Marx. For the right-wing, there is no criterion other than Party affiliation.
radagast – reason and facts cannot penetrate the conservative cone of silence. But if it's of any cancellation to you, I've been saying these same things about oil for a long time.
It's about time they put the brakes on the Beckistan Express!
After all, to hear some around here tell it, this is ALL a vast left wing conspiricy!
Regardless of poll numbers that reflect quite the opposite:
The sun set in the West today & it's all the Democrats FAULT! WHAAA!
I'm not losing any sleep on almost four in ten republicans have doubts about the pres. if he was born in the US. Who cares their only republicans, and that don't mean a thing. It's just there way of trying to bring discord and doubt, like they did in the presidental race in "2008" when they said the pres. was a terrorist and then he was communist and so on and on and on. There was a republican who was in Bush's administration who got mad and started saying things about the pres. being on the beach without a shirt on, he said "is this the kind of behavior we can expect from the pres., hello he was on the beach, men can go topless, give me a break. Will the republicans ever stop their silliness.
Trump for GOP presidential candidate!! Even the TP crazies are abandoning him.
Should be a walk in the park for Obama.
And by the way, the average cost of gas in the US today is STILL lower than Bush's record high!
FOX fired The False Prophet Glenn Beck. Not because FOX disapproved of the increase in conspiratorial and religious rants, but because sponsors disapproved. Oh the mighty dollar, in the end conservatives worship you, oh mighty dollar.
I think it is rather funny that the Repub's/TPers are sliding away from the whole Birther nonsense just to edge themselves away from Trump and his PROVING beyond a doubt that he is an idiot. After all, Trump got his money the old fashioned way: Stealing It!
ITS CALLED DISTRACT,DISTRACT,DISTRACT....(the boogey-man effect) ,dumbing-down,low-information..etc I wonder what's next?.....Elvis with his f.b.i. badge visiting the President,with ayn rand leading the way?(is that phyllis diller?.........is this me?)
It's odd how the Rightwing one brain cell idiots cannot find one good thing to say about the Honorable Democrats. Do we stand so far above them in intelligence that they are jealous? Mostly their problems are they listen to some bar room jerk or one of their idols on Fox propaganda. Palin,Beck,Slickhead Hannity are three evil A.H.s spewing their sick hate.Then comes Ann (Andy)Coulter with her/his adams apple running from her shoulders to her nose like a one cylinder racing boat.I wiss O'Rielly would interview my on his yell down show.Who would have ever thought as kids that those little creeps would have grown up to be monsters?
They can't move fast enough, because the Birthers will be there in the front row salivating, waiting for the next, "Obama was born in Kenya" line and they will applause like a bunch of birthers.
Tim Pawlenty runs from the mall heavily panting turns to his advisor, "They gone yet?"
"Yes sir", he replies.
Suddenly he hears an eerie moan from behind and turns, gasping at the crowd gathered behind him. Their faces shrouded in admiration; they moan in unison, "Where's the birth certificate? Where's the birth certificate?"
HEHEH, you can't make this stuff up.
Giggidy
((=^))
President Obama will win re-election. The GOP/TP does not have a valid candidate to run against him. Trump, Romney, Palin, etc still have yet to defuse their previous ideologies. People are tired of the flip and a flopping of all politicians including the GOP/TP.
They cannot run on a campaign of creating Jobs, stimulating the economy or education. They tried that already and lied through their teeth. They have yet to show any plan for jobs, stimulating the economy or improving education and I do not think the people will be scammed for a third time by these people.
We shall see come 2012.
Let' recall the 2004 election and how that went. GWB was beginning to loose support, certainly from moderates or Blue Dogs. Yet as unpopular as GWB was by this point, many felt he should be given a second chance to turn around the Iraq war. Why wouldn't voters feel the same about President Obama? After all, how could HCR be any more unpopular than the Iraq war? And in comparison to the scandals during the Bush/Cheney administration, President Obama has been "No Drama Obama."
But the real problem is the GOP/TP's lack of good candidates (or a platform) right now. Al Gore would be a much better candidate than anything we see from the GOP/TP in 2012 (oh sure, the right-wing talks about how someone could come from nowhere--but not really because candidates have to start raising money real soon). AND this time, establishment Republicans are ready for the Tea Party--they won't be blind-sided by the far-right radicals.
"The Tea Party favorite has not embraced the “birther” movement with the fervor of media-catnip distributor Donald Trump, saying repeatedly – as she said again today – that she “take[s] the president at his word” that he was born in Hawaii."
All of which pretty much disproves the theory being floated by some posters here the last day or so that Trump's "candidacy" is actually a secret Democratic plot to somehow make President Obama "look good".
If there's any conspiracy here, it's that Trump was planted by the GOP to make the rest of their candidates look sane by comparison.
But you're right, the collective tap-dancing around this in the upcoming town halls and debates should be pretty entertaining!
"If there's any conspiracy here, it's that Trump was planted by the GOP to make the rest of their candidates look sane by comparison"
How true! When you have Michelle Bachmann on record making a reasonable statement you know the strategy is winning!
I never doubted that Obama was a US Citizen born in Hawaii...until Michelle Bachmann said that's what she believes. ;)
Progressives were planning to pack heat and go to Town Squalls and shout down the Tea Party--maybe even do some head-stomping. Then they realized the Tea Party will look like idiots all on their own.
There are three kinds of conservatives.
The first ones are the super rich powerful people. They are conservatives because they are out of touch with the problems in America that everyday Americas face.
Then there are religious conservatives, who ironically think that Jesus wants them to fvck the world up.
The third group is the "blue-collar"conservatives who have no idea what conservatism really is; they just follow the first two groups blindly.
lynseypug, you didn't get enough votes for that post. That was seriously funny. NICE..
Birthers? Pretty pejorative term that hides the real issue. Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. According to US and British laws at the time he was born a British Subject. He IS an American citizen, just not a natural born citizen. He is an illegal, criminal, usurper. He's hiding his long form BC because he's been busted with the SSN of a dead guy, Thomas Woods, that he could've only gotten through fraud. Guilty of both fraud and willful treason he fights because the penalty for his crimes is death.
You're a clown. Keep entertaining. Thank you and good night.
Serious charges that I'm sure you wouldn't make without iron-clad proof. That's why you provided so much irrefutable documentation, and that's why I'm taking you so seriously...
You are so far out there the Hubble can't see you...
lol joker
Ken, is just another birther A$$h@le, with poop for brains.
The only thing I find weird about this whole birther craziness is that candidates dont ALREADY have to prove they satisfy a constitutional prerequisite.
Man, you are so stoopid.
Your racism is simply a right-wing bonus.
Haven't any of you figured out you keep pushing the rich into more riches and keep our country from healing from the Reaganite nightmare, something made much worse from the 43 holocaust-of-stoopidity years?
Your "cause" is bankrolled by the BIG BUSINESS corporations that sent your jobs overseas or foreclosed on your shack.
Ken Webber:
And if we show you there are no monsters under the bed, prove there are no monsters under the bed, use reason, logic, evidence and you STILL claim there are monsters under the bed, should we waste any more time on such ludicrous statements? Leave such things to the grownups...you clearly aren't ready to set aside your fears of the real world yet (where such horrible things as Presdients you disagree politically with can hold office--Oh MY!!)
Replies from four morons with nothing to back up insults. The US is governed by the US Constitution that requires you to be a natural born citizen to be POTUS. The US is also governed by the 14th amendment that has two stipulations, to be born here, AND to be under US jurisdiction. Two stipulations, not just jus soli. Obama Sr. maintained a legal DOMICILE in Kenya. That's a legal term. You can have only one under the law. If you maintain a domicile in Kenya then you are here in the US temporarily and do not fall under the jurisdiction of the US government, same as with foreign diplomats. When Obama Sr. married the American woman she expatriated. Under both US and British laws at the time, any baby so born would inherit the nationality of the Father, and would be at birth - in this case - a British Subject. In famous cases such as Wong, Wong won because his parents were DOMICILED in the US and thus subject to US jurisdiction. In Elk, his parents were in an Indian tribe and thus NOT subject to US jurisdiction, so Elk was ruled NOT an American citizen, even though he was born on US soil. The purpose of the requirement to be a natural born citizen is to prevent candidates who have dual allegiences from birth.
To claims of racism you are 100% lying. I come from a very big mixed family of blacks, whites, Latinos, Irish, and Italian. The fact that you brought up the race card shows your mind to be in the gutter and incapable of logical debate. To debate against me is to SUPPORT the following: Ignorance, Criminality, Fraud, and to spit on the US Constitution.
Ken: Hawaii is a US State. Kansas is a US State. What the hell are you talking about? Wow. Better be careful with a mind like that about calling others morons.
Y'all,
Ken has made up his mind. There is no use arguing with him. I can see that he is an intelligent fellow but his brain has locked on this issue like a steel trap. It is closed.
He has probably done the same thing with various other issues throughout his life and he will pick something else later on to fixate on.
Ken, my advice to you: get a puppy, treat it really well, give it a bath now and then and play with it a lot. You will be a much happier person. If you already have a dog, well then, you are not doing it right.
Relax, man. There is nothing you can do about Obama except sit around and be a bitter, hateful old fool.
Ken have you glued your toupee on too tight? Just asking.
Again, insults but... nothing else. Is that all you have? At least AP-1414066 asked a question. To AP-1414066, it matters NOT where Obama was born because his father, Obama Sr., was a British Subject, and the American woman he married expatriated when she became his wife. Obama Jr. was born a British Subject under both US and British laws. And a moron is someone that revels in ignorance and debates only by throwing insults, hence the use of the term. If all you can do is throw an insult my way then you've already lost the debate in admitted defeat.
According to the same source of the CT social security number, Obama's actually had 39 social security numbers, suggesting that the president is a prolific identity thief. (Judge Lands said that just before he fined Orly the first 10,000 for wasting the court's time.
Cmon already..
Ken,
You are absolutely right. Now go have a pint in the pub with friends, if you still have any, and don't mention this at all.
Ken,
Nobody cares and, I suspect, neither do you. I suppose bad attention is better than not attention at all. You are an attention whore. It's called ASB, attention seeking behavior.
Obama just doesn't matter, silly. But on the other hand, you are getting a lot of attention, aren't you?
Ken,
I read your bio. You are a musician. So I was right--you are an attention whore. You like to stand up in front of people and make music and get noticed. Wow.
To grump in NM. No, it was YOU that brought that up, not me. In fact, I do NOT like to stand up in front of people and get noticed as I am facially deformed from acromegaly. It is true I am a musican, but not an entertainer or performer. I am not here to comment on my life, I am here to debate an issue that you seem not able to comment on without relying upon INSULTS over substance. Keep the "attention" on the debate at hand. Having said that... still waiting for anything from YOU that is relevant to the topic at hand.
Ken,
Seeking pity is an attention seeking behavior.
To Grump in NM.... again... insults. My answer seeks no pity, it is factual. I ask once more... what do you bring to the debate? Anything meaningful? Still waiting. To remind you, the thread is on politics.
Ken,
I bring this to the table: your debate is meaningless, you seek pity, you seek attention. It's not what you think, it's how you think.
If the debate in and of itself was meaningless... you wouldn't be here commenting in the first place, but you are. Correct? I certainly don't think that of the debate itself, which is why I comment and make my information known. To edge away from a truth, as these GOP cowards do, reveals the lack of courage in their convictions. If a man is criminally breaking a law, committing fraud, in order to hold POTUS that is something EVERY American should be concerned with. That is not a trivial matter. It should not be insulted. For Trump to bring up the issue at all shows me where HIS convictions are.
Ken...You're a sexist pig if you think only the nationality of the father is important.
In fact, without a DNA test, we don't really know who anyone's father is. We do know that Obama was carried for 9 months and born to a US Citizen in Hawaii. Therefore, he is a US Citizen.
Ken,
I will give you this little tidbit: I did not vote for Obama and I will not vote for him in the future. I don't like his policies and I would not defend those anywhere.
Oh, now lynseypug wants to get in on the insults? The truth IS... it is the US Constitution that requires a candidate to be a natural born citizen and US law that decides who is and who is NOT an American citizen and who is and is not a natural born citizen so don't call me the sexist pig when it's really the law that you have a problem with. In fact, you don't seem to know or understand the law. When Obama Sr., a British Subject, married the American woman in question she expatriated. The child, under both British and US laws, so born would be a British Subject. The laws themselves were written under much debate based on Vattel's Law of Nations, English common law, our laws here in the USA, and were written with the purpose of excluding people with dual allegiences, to prevent a traitor from occupying office or someone loyal to another country. So I take it that YOU... are fine with a traitor or someone with other allegiences occupying office? Yes? No?
Ken's arguments that Obama is a British subject are novel, to say the least. But one has to wonder if he is more astute than the entire Republican National Committee apparatus, plus the McCain opposition research professionals as well as those of the Hillary Clinton staff. Opposition research is a very big part of any major campaign and it is inconceivable to me that with all of those interested in defeating Obama in 2008, no one, not one single individual or organization discovered that Obama might be, in fact, a British subject and not eligible to be President of the United States. Truly a wonderment.
Bruce, your comment would be true... if politics is true, which it is not. Politics is more like saturday morning wrestling, in which the game is fixed beforehand and there is no real "right" or real "left." The real POWER behind politics is the Federal Reserve which controls both parties. They have an endless supply of "money" that they create out of thin air to sponsor both sides simultaneously. With the implementation of electronic Diebold voting YOUR VOTE disappeared with the breeze entirely. Electronic voting has already been shown to be easily hacked and in fact, one of the first programmers of the systems now in operation has gone on record in sworn testimony saying that he was hired to throw an election back when Bush was installed. The democratic party themselves are obviously aware of Obama not being a natural born citizen as they rewrote their elegibility requirements before this current election, purposely removing the words "natural born" hoping none of the populace would know or care. And none on the "right" are going to challenge Obama on this because they do as their masters tell them, they go the way the Fed wants them to go. The Fed wanted Bush out and Obama in. When the American people want the democrats removed they'll install a republican. It goes back and forth, the point being, the system itself is an illusion controlled by the UNelected few who have the power and the money.
Actually, McCain wanted nothing to do with the Birther business -- Because McCain was born in Panama, and the leadership in the DNC squashed any efforts by the far-left to harp on this.
That's another difference between the parties now. The GOP/TP lacks leadership and therefore Rule of Reason. They don't even have decent pundits--like William F. Buckley, anymore. Nope, they have FOX and Hate Radio. So sad.
Ken, Since President Obama's Mother was a citizen at the time of his birth, that makes him naturalized Citizen to begin with. On TOP of this, he WAS Born in Hawaii, with all of the proper documentation at the time. None of your arguments hold water and your bigotry is showing very badly.
You are entirely right about Diebold and the Fed tho, I will give you that, but Obama is legit, so you can quit beating that dead horse.
All that Trump's convictions got him was some prison time, and obviously not enough!
@Ken
Do a little research. You obviously have zero idea how the constitution defiines "Natural Born". So in light of that, here is your precious proof.
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Please do a little research. Don't listen to the Becks and Limbaugh's of the world. They have a tendency to lie.
Truth is, not one serious GOP candidate is or was a 'birther'.
The loony leftwing 9/11 'truthers' did and still do infect some of the fringes of the Democratic Party, after mainstream Dems like Howard Dean flirted with trutherism, but the leftist media didnt flog that issue.
NBC: The birther obsessed network. Chris Matthews is obsessive.
Bob-1887910
Truth is, not one serious GOP candidate is or was a 'birther'.
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I agree, if they are TRUTHERS/birthers, they aren't serious candidates....
Are there ANY declared GOP candidates as of today? Who are they?
You can't even compare the two. The "9/11 truthers" is not an issue among Democrats. As you stated, the difference is that the 9/11 truthers are "fringe" nuts and every Democratic candidate will debunk and dismiss that "issue" without hesitation. The birthers are almost half of the GOP base, so their candidates HAVE to worry about it.
Big difference.
So they are trying to get one more albatros off of their necks before the 2012 elections? Good luck with that, boys and girls. One word ..... video
Unbelievable!!! 4 in 10 republicans are crazier than Michelle Bachman!!
Not sure if you read the entire article but it also said 25% of the American population has some reserves about President Obamas birthplace. That is a fair amount of people to "not be sure" President Obama wasn't born here. Now I am not saying that I am a birther but at the same time I am not one to blindly believe what someone tells me (I believe Obama could and should clear this up rather than spending millions in court).
Wasn't John McCain born in Panama?
Obama is Kensian not Kenyan.
The navy base is us territory and us parents would at least give him dual citizenship.
...and Hawaii became a state in 1959...born in American in 1964.
Obama was born in the state of Hawaii after Hawaii became a state--that's all that's required to be a natural born citizen. It isn't even necessary for one or both parents to be legal citizens. The right-wing concern about "anchor babies" is based on this fact--so which one is it--can't have it both ways.
Of course, it's silly to make an issue of McCain being born on a military base in Panama. That's the other point--that the DNC didn't allow this to be an issue because it's silly. The GOP needed to do the same thing, but there is no leadership right now.
Here's one for ya. Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it was a state.
It's getting close to crunch time and they have to try to appeal to the other 80% of Americans who aren't stupid. The trick is to say the right things to attract moderates and independents when you are dealing with the real media, while at the same time pandering to the loonies when you appear on Fox.
Cheney was a master at that. When interviewed by real reporters, he would admit that there were no Iraqi links to Al Qaeda or 9/11, but the next day on Fox, he would imply that there were. Since the Fox News audience never saw or heard him admit the truth, they believe to this day that Saddam was flying one of the planes that hit the world trade center.
The trick is to get someone else, like a guest on the show to say it and then NOT refute it. O'Reilly and Hannity are masters oif this.
Bill O'Reilly says the birther stuff is crazy. Karl Rove says the birther stuff is crazy and hurting the Party. Now, Michelle Bachman, who is crazy herself, says Obama was born in the U.S. Would George Stephanopoulos please show Obama's birth certificate to Donald Trump so that crazy ahole will shut up. Then in a year or two the rest of these birther crazies may shut up.
nah, wouldn't shut Trump up. Last go around he claimed Canada had the best health care answer, that the US economy would tank without illegals, and that he didn't get this whole thing about telling women whether they could or couldn't have abortions. NOW he's decided that's not the way to get the T-Party to invite you to speak and sounds just like one of them. (I'm betting he won't run anyway...he doesn't have that kind of cash...)
We really don't want this issue to go away. This makes them look stupid, which is why they're trying to sweep it under the rug before 2012. It was useful to them during the congressional elections because there was no national spotlight on them when they were preaching to the teabirther choir. With a national election coming up, they have to get educated people who live in the cities to vote for them.
listen up people
if his dad's a brit, he's not legit
even if, even if barry was born in hawaii, he would still not be a 'natural born citizen'
since his 'father', a british/kenyan national, was not an american citizen, he will never be a 'natural born citizen', thus barry will never be constitutionally eligible....EVER!
if his dad's a brit, he's not legit
First off, your comments are racists pure and simple.
All you delusionals foaming about our president not being a citizen haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. You sure as hell haven't ready anything about the laws. You simply listen to the right-wing propaganda machine, most an Australian company named News Corp, staffed by the people fired from professional media for being incompetent like Hannity, too biased to be a news reporter like the doofus NPR fired, or simply stoppid like O'Reilly, who also faked news reports for ABC on the Falkland Islands War which also makes him incompetent, a legend in his own mind.
If you had read about United States citizenship you would know it doesn't matter where you are born as long as one of your parents is a United States citizen.
Don't any of you right-wingers look anything up for yourselves? You would save yourselves lots of embarrassment as Hannity-level stoopid and lost of grief for the country you guys are wrecking.
tkevin,
Do you not read much or understand the law of what an natural born citizen is? The President is a natural born citizen of the United States of America.
oh what the heck are you talking about? His mother is from kansas and had him in Hawaii. You obviously may have some interplanetary heritage you're hiding, so probably better to stay away from this one.
tkevin -
With twice your wit, you'd still be a twit.
From where I sit, you don't know....umm..... spit.
What you submit is quite unfit.
You lie a bit with what you writ.
You're loosely knit, I must admit.
I've thrown my fit, now I must quit!
To Political Prisoner 2012, from looking at your previous comments, you attack anyone bringing up anything against Obama as being racist. I'm certainly not a racist and I see nothing in "TKevin's" post that indicates a specific RACE on his part. For all I know Tkevin could be black, white, Indian, Mexican, Asian, etc. So I can only assume that you are bringing up the race card in an effort to PAINT someone in a pejorative manner and stifle debate, yes.
You're absolutely correct! Tell all your friends and relatives. Shout it loudly every day. Send mass emails about Obama's grandmother to everyone you know every day.
Don't let the GOP ignore this important issue when they choose their candidate for 2012. Right now, you have to go with Donald Trump as your candidate, because all the others are backing away from this EXTREMELY IMPORTANT issue, even Sarah Palin! Hold their feet to the fire, and make sure you won't vote for them unless making Obama "prove" his citizenship is at the top of their agenda.
JoAnn I am very glad I wasn't drinking anything because it would have been all over my keyboard!!! LOL!!! I give you your props that was funny!
Joanne, you are a poet worthy of James Joyce.
The nationality of the president's father was well known for more than a decade prior to his candidacy.
Congress and the Supreme court didn't consider it relevant for eligibility then.. They don't now.
The Supreme court has refused to hear lawsuits questioning the president's eligibility six times now.
lOGGIE wrote the following:
"The nationality of the president's father was well known for more than a decade prior to his candidacy.
Congress and the Supreme court didn't consider it relevant for eligibility then.. They don't now.
The Supreme court has refused to hear lawsuits questioning the president's eligibility six times now."
The Supreme court hears cases that have legal "standing." The Supreme court has ruled on no cases of this nature because those cases have not proven that they have "standing" in that the person bringing up the case can prove they have been an injured party by the rulings of Obama. This does not mean their case has no merit, just that they have no legal standing to sue. The Supreme Court upholds the 14th amendment which requires a person to be under US jurisdiction at the time of their birth and on US soil to be considered a natural born citizen. The proper channel for these types of actions is the grand jury nullification process, which to date, no one has attempted. As stated in my previous postings above, Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. Many times in the past, politicians have lied about credentials to get into office and no one has checked them beforehand, and for a time, they ruled. The grand jury process has been used to nullify these types of candidates in the past.
It does NOT matter who Obama's father is. This is the United States of America and if a US Citizen gives birth and on American soil, no less, then the child is a US Citizen. Frankly, without DNA testing and so forth, no one ever really knows who their father is. They just have the word of the mother about who she slept with.
lynseypug says "It does NOT matter who Obama's father is. This is the United States of America and if a US Citizen gives birth and on American soil, no less, then the child is a US Citizen. Frankly, without DNA testing and so forth, no one ever really knows who their father is. They just have the word of the mother about who she slept with.
Wow. You call me a sexist pig and then dismiss the MALE entirely. Actually, it does matter. It matters to the law, which you are ignorant of. Citizenship is governed by the 14th amendment which has two requirements, not one. One requirement you have given. The other you have excluded and that is... "the parents must under the jurisdiction of the US government." Which Obama Sr. was certainly not. Further, the law requires one to be not just a citizen, but a NATURAL born citizen. And that requirement was not written lightly. It was written to keep out people with dual allegiences, and to keep out traitors. These are very important matters which DO matter and care should be taken to ascertain whether or not a person is or is not a natural born citizen, which was NOT done in this election. In fact, the democratic party knows Obama is not a natural born citizen as they changed the eligibility requirements before this election purposely removing the words "natural born" hoping no one would notice or care, secure in their belief that most Americans are ignorant of the laws of the land. And you've just demonstrated that yourself with the above statement.
Ken, as a citizen of _____— (fill in the state of your choice) if you are a registered voter and voted, you can bring suit (standing) against the person responsible for certifying presidential candidates to that state's ballot. If Obama was on your state's ballot in 2008 and you wish to contest the fact that Obama's name was on the ballot, you can legitimately bring a case with standing as an elector. I dare say such a case would be interesting - if you prevailed at the state level, that decision would surely be appealed in the Federal courts and who knows, it might even get to the Supreme Court. Go for it and settle this matter once an for all. However, with the millions of voters who participated in the 2008 General Election, I can only assume one or more of them is a Constitutional lawyer yet no one filed such a suit. Can you or anyone else explain that lapse?
Every lawsuit to date on the Obama issue has been thrown out of the courts because no one HAS been able to prove standing. The proper channel is grand jury nullification. That channel ensures no victory because as I just posted in another post, the system of politics is rigged from the top down. The system of media in this country is similarly controlled to control dissent. Schools are taught what to teach and what not to talk about. And judges are bought and placed. I bring up the entire point because no real change can ever happen until an overwhelming majority see the corruption for what it is and see how destructive it is for the entire nation. To that point is why I comment on this board.
About naturalized citizenship, please read this: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
Okay, moving on... the Birthers are bigots. Why? Because the issue of citizenship, which could have been raised in regard to McCain or Goldwater, for example, never happened. Not just because Democrat leadership is more reasonable.
But because President Obama is our first President who is inter-racial and has a middle name of Hussein. And though many candidates like McCain or John Kerry spent a large amount of their lives living abroad, they are white so this has not been an issue.
Come on, get real. It's bigotry and we know it.
The establishment hate-and-fear campaigners edge away from the rabid birthers?
Only for a while, pilgrim. Only for a while.
tkevin
even if, even if barry was born in hawaii, he would still not be a 'natural born citizen'
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Hawaii became the 50th state on August 21, 1959. Obama was born in 1964.
Your post makes no sense.
Correction Ira, Obama was born in 1961
Thx....fat finger
His post makes sense to those who know Vattel's Law of Nations, the US Constitution, the 14th amendment, and the difference between "citizen" and "natural born citizen" and why the clause was included in the US Constitution in the first place. The average person today does NOT understand these things, hence your confusion.
Go GOP go, Trump/Palin 2012 or is it Palin/Trump. Keep that birther issue front and center and alienate all except the scum of the extreme right.
It is funny how much of the mainstream GOP never acted with courage in the beginning when the nonsense was being spewed, case in Sir John of Orange who equivocated when asked a direct question concerning the validity of the issue. Go ahead and pander to your rightwing fruitcakes and allow me the pleasure of watching your defeat next year.
oh no ! the wing nuts are flip - flopping in this. what is this world coming to.
As long as there are morons on this planet there will be Sarah Palins to lead them.
Ramses
It's great that this lack of a real birth certificate of Obama's is going to come to a head soon and we will get to see who the dems are going to run in 2012. Just the fact that Obama and his sycophants in the media were able to push this imposter on the American people will forever make us vigilant and prove why we should not believe the lies of the left anymore.
Don't let the GOP back away from this. Scream loudly untll Huckabee, Romney, Rove etc acknowledge that Obama is a muslim foreigner. Even Karl Rove will flip flop and say Obama is not a citizen if you scream about it loudly enough. If they won't keep the birth certificate pressure on, then you MUST nominate Donald Trump as your Presidential nominee. Keep a keen eye out for Republicans trying to drift to the center! Don't let that happen, whatever you do. If they take a moderate stance on ANY issue, call them out as the commies that they are.....
Sam- yes, it's too bad you were made such a fool of by your imposter in chief........but you probably started out that way.
Look at the polls on the Republican plans to privatize Medicare/Medicaid and give a tax cut to the wealthiest.. A stunning 80% of Americans oppose it, including a clear majority of Republicans.
Only four Republicans in the house voted against this plan.
The Republicans just handed Obama the keys to the White House for another four years.
You are only 1/2 correct. Both the Republicans AND the Democrats are beholden to the Federal Reserve and their debt based monetary system (fiat, usury, fractional reserve banking) and have rigged the electronic Diebold voting systems to put whoever they want in power, against the wishes of the American people. Your "vote" is a lie. The lies come from both the "right" and the "left."
@nycguy. In the interest of being better informed you might want to visit the following link at www.factcheck.org
http://factcheck.org/2011/04/donald-youre-fired/
A quote from the article regarding the birth certificate:
"The U.S. Department of State uses the term "certified birth certificate" to refer to exactly what Obama produced, which Hawaii calls a "Certification of Live Birth." The State Department accepts a state-certified photocopy of a hospital-generated document, as was commonly used in the past.
But Hawaii, like many other states, now uses computer-printed documents instead, and Hawaii’s form also meets State Department standards for establishing citizenship"
Lest you think FactCheck is biased, here is a quote from another article where they are reviewing Obama's budget speech;
"The president also spent time in his speech discussing the need to raise taxes and promised to resist a Republican plan to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. (They’re scheduled to expire at the end of 2012.) He said making the Bush tax cuts permanent would provide $1 trillion in tax cuts for “millionaires and billionaires.” That’s not true. By the president’s own figures, the cuts are worth an estimated $807 billion over 10 years for all individual taxpayers earning more than $200,000 a year and couples making more than $250,000 — not just those earning more than $1 million."
To "Teach Me Tonight" ... you bring up factcheck as a source???? “FactCheck”.org is an affiliate of the Annenberg, Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Ayers and Obama were on their board. Conflict of interest. Bias. Not credible.
Ken D. Webber....Complete Moron...NOT CREDIBLE!
Hello Lynseypug, love you too. Hope you can eventually bring something of substance other than insults and ignorance to the table. Prove to me that you can.
Good old state's rights -- One reason why Arizona's Gov. Brewer vetoed the Birther bill is because she was counseled against opening the can of worms of one state challenging another state on the way they issue birth certificates.
Actually, John McCain was born in a Panama hospital off the US base his father was based.
Do I think this should have keep him from running for president in 2008? Of course not. His father is serving the country, moves his wife (and maybe older children) to a US base in Panama, and we are to question their decision to have their baby born in a nearby hospital? How do we know there weren't complications or that they just decided the private hospital was better than the base hospital for OB/GYN situations? Who cares! John McCain is eligible for president.
And I'm a Democrat!
The birther thing?
I like it.
If the other side has so little on the man that they have to resort to this goofy tripe, then you know they're desperate.
Couldn't they dig up anything else on the guy?
Obama is ineligible to be POTUS....isn't that enough to move on from the lying phony, or do you want to start listing his consistent failures.
nynguy, could you give the case number of the litigation where a court of competent jurisdiction has ruled that "Obama is ineligible"? Thanks in advance.
Lets see......only 26% of Iowa Republicans think Obama was born in the US. Sounds like the GOP leadership is ignoring the ignorant morons who make up the vast majority of its base. I think they should own it and go full birther.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378669/Only-26-cent-Iowa-Republicans-believe-Obama-born-U-S.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
John McCain was NOT a natural born citizen. Right wingers care? Nope. I love watching the right wingers try this crap. You have to give them credit. They beat this like a drum during the last election and it failed. So why not try again? Yeah - same thing different day. Good luck with that righties.
uh, I have something you may beat and it ain't no drum
And now you know why, Jan Brewer, Governor of Arizona, who is known for signing into law, insane bills all based on the "Guns and Bibles" mentality of her legislators, did what she did yesterday... Despite pressure from her overwhelming majority of Bible-Thumping Tea-Bagging Legislators, she decided to veto the "Birtha Bill" here in Arizona. While she still remains one of the worst Republican Governors in the country, many "old-school", but still worthless Republicans know their extreme agenda is alienating many voters and that their base of "Bible-Thumping Tea-Bagging Bigoted Brown Shirts" is not large enough to assure them victory... (The media has made their numbers appear much larger than they are in an effort to sensationalize and sell the news) I was really hoping they would continue their blind arrogance so we could be done with their extreme agenda and war on the middle-class... Oh well...There is not much hope for them in 2012...They have damaged their brand far to much...Horray!!!!! less
the only brown shirts I see are the union thugs and assorted fascist liberals who try to shout down and intimidate the opposition
Joe, from the dictionary:
fas·cism
noun /ˈfaSHˌizəm/
Just exactly how does this apply to liberals?
Just more proof that the teabaggers have no clue as to the meanings of the terms that their Fake news handlers give them to continuously rant. Ignorant peopel are so much easier to control than educated ones.
As I listen to the Birthers continue to make this arguement regarding the citizenship of President Obama this same arguement and standard must be held to Republicans who wish to run for President starting with Marco Rubio. I wonder how many other Republicans who will want to run for President are children of immigrate parents.
Interesting question don't you think.
You are correct. What's good for the donkey is good for the elephant is good for all of us. Candidates should have to prove BEFOREHAND that they meet all the necessary qualifications, including natural born citizen status. In this instance the democratic party did not do that. Instead, they changed the requirements of eligibility for the first time in it's history and removed the words natural born right before this election hoping that no one would notice. I noticed.
Was the sky orange when you made this discovery?
Okay, Rep. Michele Bachmann, the leader of the House Tea Party caucus and a potential 2012 presidential contender, said Wednesday that she’s prepared to “move on” from questions about the president’s birthplace ... if Obama's "Certification of Live Birth", presumably the document George Stephanopoulos showed to her was "Introduced" -- i.e. published. Until now, Obama's original COLB "copy", the one Factcheck checked, was only in their possession for approximately 15 minutes and still remains unpublished.
At the very least the original copy of Obama's COLB should be published, along with the "copy" Stephanopoulos had in his hands, so that forensic tests can be conducted on the two documents.
But until the vital natal records hidden in the vault of Hawaiian Health Department officials can be examined and their point of origin ascertained, the information contained on Obama's COLB, fake or otherwise, has no probative value whatsoever. One would think a good investigative reporter like George Stephanopoulos would want to "Prove" Obama's story is true rather than simply take some body's word for it. I guess Donald Trump was right, George Stephanopoulos has been co-opted by the Obama administration.
ex animo
davidfarrar