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The House has passed a compromise budget bill to fund the government for the rest of the fiscal year, with 59 Republicans breaking with House Speaker John Boehner to vote against the measure.
The vote was 260-167, with 81 Democrats voting for the deal reached by negotiators late last Friday night.
The bill – which was originally advertised as cutting $38 billion in federal spending – has been criticized by some conservative Republicans who said that the cuts were inadequate to address the government’s ballooning debt.
The Congressional Budget Office said Thursday that, although it does reduce government agencies’ authority to spend almost $40 billion, CBO estimates that the total savings in the bill are closer to about $20-25 billion for this fiscal year.
Of the 59 GOP defections, 27 were freshmen members. The number of Republicans who broke with their party is comparable to those who bucked their leaders when the last stopgap “continuing resolution” passed the House on March 15. Fifty-four Republicans opposed that measure.
But the Republican opposition signals that Boehner did not have enough GOP votes to pass the budget deal without Democratic support. (There are currently 241 Republicans in the house; it takes 217 'yes' votes to pass a bill.)
Speaking on the House floor before the vote, Boehner acknowledged that the compromise legislation, which he negotiated for with President Barack Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, did not contain the depth of cuts he would have wanted.
“Is it perfect? No,” he said. “I'd be the first one to admit that it's flawed.”
“Well, welcome to divided government,” he added.
The bill now goes to the Senate, which is expected to pass it later today.
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You think? lol
Good to see the 'nucular' option proposed by the tea baggers crashed & burned!
In the end it didn't matter HOW much they chanted 'SHUT IT DOWN'!
One down - two to go!
"Welcome to a divided government." says Boehner. No, its not a divided government, it's a divided Republican party. 59 Tea Partiers to be exact. The GOP/TP hold the majority, but Boehner has already lost control of his party. Get used to the word "compromise", John
I'm sure that 1st Read is gonna post the names of each Republican Congressman that voted Against thier party, such as they did when Democrats voted against thier party during the HCR debate.
I'll wait & see which happens 1st!
When Pigs fly or Republican names posted in upteen threads!
Come on Mark, Domenico, Carrie, haveya got it in ya to do such a thing?
I'd add Chucky T to the sentence above, but I already know where his Stupid A$$ stands.
Remember: a good compromise leaves everyone mad.
Nice comment, Fesity - and good point, John B.
You may recall that last year I wrote a forecast about this - referring to how "the politics of disaffection" practiced by rigid ideologues from the ultra-right could be a big factor in the 112th Congress. As John B. observed, it's becoming a factor, and Boehner has realized he does not have to pander to a small minority of his Members to get work done, so long as he recognizes the Democrats also cast votes in the House.
Slowly, Boehner and other GOP leaders are learning that their party's future grows ever more precarious as they let the Tea Party dictate their positions. That realization should force some interesting movement on the part of the GOP mainstream in the coming weeks and months.
And expect ever more radical attempts by the ideologues to interfere with legislative proceedings, using every parliamentary trick in the book. If they can't get their way, just watch - they won't let ANYONE do the nation's work. It's coming ....
You guys are SO funny here. All this talk about split parties and "rigid ideologues". I guess you didn't notice that the Democrats went through this while they held huge majorities in both houses of Congress and had the Presidency but they couldn't pass their own agenda without republican support because of so many defections. Why is it that when 1 Senate Republican supports a democrat bill you all praise it for being bipartisan but when 15 House Democrats support a Republican bill it's considered a Tea Party bill? And you want to point out the blind ideology of the other party? Really, you should take this act on the road, maybe pair up with Charlie Sheen.
I think people voting for what they believe in, instead of just doing what the party leaders tell them, is a good thing.
Makes you wish the Dems had gotten around to passing a budget last year when they controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House doesn't it Fiesty?
The Tea Party needs to run on their own ticket separate from the
Republican Party because they are far right wing cuckoo's that even Boehner doesn't
want to deal with.
I know Feisty is pretty ignorant, but can't be so ignorant as to not know that calling a certain group "teabaggers" is insulting and degrading. So Feisty, when you cry about the Repubs. say demeaning things and then you and your equally ignorant buddy Bev. turn around and do the same thing, what would that make you? Maybe hypocritical douchebags......maybe?
Why even bother?
38 Billion sounds like a lot of money to you and me, but in scale with the staggering deficit, along with the national debt, it is a complete and utter joke.
Once again, from Both sides of the isle: "Symbolism over Substance". Tragic.
Boehner is obviously not the right guy to be the Speaker. He gave way too much to these irresponsible democrats to spend. He caved on almost every wasteful item and the total savings is in the hundreds of millions, not billions.
Good for the 59 republicans that stood by those that elected them and voted no to this
Also good for the democrats that voted no because the cuts weren't real (there are some fiscally conservative democratic reps out there).
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
For about the 100th time - do you have a real job or is this it? I myself am retired so I can do this all day but you have told everybody that you work. What exactly do you do besides spout your ideas on this website and if you do have a real job how is it that they allow you so much time to read and blog on this website?? Not much of a job is it. No wonder you want everybody else's money.
Mr. Spock... .
You can say that all you want... but don't be so naive to think that the dems would have been able to pass a budget w/o republican support. No way, no how... and you know it. Even if the dems have managed wrangle all dem support (the 3months or so when they had super majority in the senate). the republicans would have filibustered it.... and you know all these facts to be true too...they couldn't pass it.. it's just republican talking point. The only way would be nuclear option, they did that for HCR - wont pass with budget - too big of an issue to be a one sided one.
I for one am glad that the speaker required dems to do the right thing. He's probably starting to see the light i.e. that there are a lot of nut jobs on the republican side of the aisle (dems have them too - Kucinich, but a whole lotta repubs wear tea bags to the halls of congress)... they would vote to cut their noses off to spite their face.
Everyone knows we have budget issues... the dems are trying to realistically solve it while repubs are trying to ruin the country with their re-distribution of wealth - from the middle class to the wealthy. And dont get me started on Ryan's plan... it should be called Ryan's wet dreams... that piece of his dream would lower taxes for the wealthy right away... not do anything about medicare for another 10years.... how is the world is that going to lower deficits.... then after his 10years of budgetary hiatus, then he'd bust medicare.... is that crazy or what? we do not need Ryan's wet dreams... .
Also people say that the 38Billion requested by the republicans is peanuts... of course... but they got what they wanted out of a discretionary spending - which is a good thing for republicans... they stood their ground and got something in return. Democrats also got something in return - they pushed back on Republican social/ideological agenda of defunding PP and other government programs that are NEEDED. I think this democracy at its finest.... and I hope its just a start to finally dealing with the budget mess the true way (not the republican or the democratic way - but the non-nutjob way)
I heard from several other sources today that the cuts really only equated into the 100's of millions of dollars, not billions. Dont worry Dems, they didnt cut @!$%#. Somehow I get the feeling that we are being lied to about everything....Maybe we arnt even in debt, maybe this is just a ruse to control the masses.
Would somebody honestly tell me what the Tea Party stands for other than living within our means? Without the biasness. Because if it is matching revenues with costs I'm all for it.
Why is everyone making a big deal over a cut of less than one percent of the budget? Obama won, Bonner lost, Tea Party is on the outs....who cares? What the American people should care about is our financial house is crumbling and our future is at steak. All this drama for nothing. A third grader could balance our budget better than this group of drunken monkey's. Spending other peoples money seems pretty easy to me.
Is is 2012 yet?
Et tu Republicans? Then fall America....
I would think you liberals would love the TP. After all, the TP breaks from the Republicans and sides with the Democrats on quite a few issues, like military cuts and the Patriot Act. This is why the "GOP/TP" as you liberals like to call them, doesnt hold water. Even though the TP caucuses with the Republicans, they are a rather independent bunch of 54. Dont you think its refreshing that we have a group that doesnt toe the party line but rather votes according to its own convictions?
And what this budget deal was about is discretionary spending... which is only 12% of the budget. The real deal will be when we start to discuss 2012 budget... people should be happy they were at least able to cut something out of the 12% discretionary spending.
If you want to deal with the budget, you have to agree that SS/Medicare/Medicaid?Defense has to be revamped. If not... you are talking absolute crap.... which is what I hear from my republican buddies "Cut Spending, Cut Spending"...then as them what to cut, they say "CUT SPENDING, CUT SPENDING" ask them again what to cut... they say "ENTITLEMENTS".... then you ask them, can I cut medicare or raise the age for social security??...and they'll bring out their guns and say "DONT TREAD ON ME".... stupid dunces.... it annoys me when people don't think anymore and alloy themselves to be lead by talking heads - be it Glenn Beck or Ed Shultz...
No AZChzhd, they were told by Democratic talking points to hate the tea party, and are carrying out their orders blindly, as usual. Protect the hive, protect the hive! We must protect the establishment at all costs!
Yes and the CBO said they are really only cutting 348 million from the budget. They are lying to the American people, both sides and the White House. The billions were in the cr that was never going to be spent. How can you call it a cut if it wasn't used to start with? If they had really cut that much people would be more tolerent with it. This is another sham, that is why the Republician elite hates the tea party folks. They aren't going to play the same old game. The Democrats will never cut anything, the crap about killing old people is just that. The Obama care bill will kill old people with the death panels. They denied them and nnow they know they are in the bill. Pelosi was right pass it and we will all know what is in it. Now it is too late to stop the stupidity. The crap about tax the rich is just campaign talk. They are not going to tax themselves. If they want to tax the very rich then raise the capital gains taxes. That would make (Buffet, Gates , Soros and other billionaires pay taxes). Buffet and Gates get $1 per year salary. If you took it all you would have $2. I am sure in Obama's mind that would help the deficit. Tax GM, and GE. They paid no taxes this year and never will, oh I forgot they are Obama's companies now.
Maybe someday all us ignorant middleclassers will realize there is only one party..........and they're both out to f*ck us. When we get fed up with one, we vote the other in to continue the boning the other was giving us. And they, repubs and dems they're like the WWF, they claim to hate each otheers ideals but in essence all they want is to screw us for all they can get. Thats why I kinda just fell out and stopped following and getting all worked up over these crooks. You guys just keep beleiving your vote counts. Thats what they want.
Kornfed...I am getting that much from this group of hard core liberal friends on here. I have a feeling most liberals on this FR are simply ignorant. And to top it off, they dont bother to further educate themselves about the tea party but rather continue believing they are the enemy at all costs. I guess seeing this country become another Greece or Spain is a good thing in their minds since the idea of liberal utopia is European socialism. The faster we become them the better!
Thats it Bob....they just go through their partisan talking points so that they can put on a convincing dog and pony show. What goes on behind closed doors is a deception of the American people by both sides. I dont know what to defend or attack anymore....nothing is real.
there is nothing funnier than hearing a Republican say "talking points".......have you ever heard a conversation that had a right wing participant that wasn't a long string of "talking points"? NO that is all they have. Dems do not like TP because they have proven to be less inforned and/or educated than even typical Republican. The hold up copies of Constitution, but can't explain one single article. FUNNY
gpotts...this is considered a liberal talking point which began by a liberal media source to scare the people because the liberal agenda was going down. So the last defense liberals had was to label them a bunch of stupid rednecks when in fact, the TP is the ONLY group in Congress that actually gives a damn.
lol, he is too ignorant to even know when he is using one
I'm not sure the Democrats told anyone to hate the Tea Party. I think the Tea Party got lots of negative publicity from hangers on's who attempted to attach themselves to the grass roots movement. The fact that some who called themselves members of the Tea Party attempted to blow up the gas grill of a member of congress that had voted yes to something they were against. I think the Tea Party has fared quite well considering the many objectionable groups that attached themselves to it in the beginning. Many of them were outright racists chanting and holding signs that said they were Obama's niga's.
Gpotts,
I'll give you the point that there are a lot if idiots in the Tea Party Movement. Same goes for the Reps. and Dems. In my opinion, Bachmann heads the list, followed by Palin and Ried. Simply my opinion.
However, on paper I'll side with 6 of the bottom 10. More than I can side with the Dems or Reps. Of course, I really believe that each party puts agendas out there, not to go forward with them, but to mislead us into voting for them. But looking at the list, I really don't see what is ultra-radical to the point that we have to B**terdize the entire movement. Now, a lot of the people that are in the movement.......that's another story. But the ideas on a whole aren't too bad, especially if you take out the political BS on the list.
"Contract from America" (From Wikipedia)
Main article: Contract from America
The "Contract from America" was the idea of Houston-based lawyer, Ryan Hecker. He stated that he developed the concept of creating a grassroots call for reform prior to the April 15, 2009 Tax Day Tea Party rallies. To get his idea off the ground, he launched a website, ContractFromAmerica.com, which encouraged people to offer possible planks for the contract.
Sean, come on man hehe. Nobody can be honest with even themselves anymore.....
Welcome not to a divided government but to a government without leadership or direction...
The momentum of the poll happy politicians is slowly realizing that their spending is out of control and they need to reign it in. A promising sign but lest we be too happy they will go back to buying votes with entitlements if we do not stay on top of them....
Simple analysis:
Democrat = buy votes from the masses with entitlements and tax the rest to pay for the votes - tax and spend though with Obama is spend and now tax...
Republican = Enable business and economy to grow in hopes of enabling employment and prosperity while expanding government control...
Which is better - at least the Republicans are trying to enable the economy and American free will. The Democrats enable lazy, leach like behavior to stay in power... Should I quote Jefferson now or when the libs slam me...
Sure, the Tea Party is just a bunch of "average Americans" funded by billions from the Koch Brothers.
One of the Koch brothers was also a founding member of the John Birch Society. If that's the philosophy you want running America, then by all means support the Tea Party.
A lot of people probably don't realize that the "Birchers" were behind most of the anti-communist hysteria epitomized by J. Edgar Hoover.
Funny what a short step it is from "Birchers" to "Birthers".
The libral media, as you call it, had nothing to do with perception that TP was ignorant rednecks.....They did it quite well for themselves when they consistently hold rallies and back leaders who ...cliam founding fathers fought slavery, were all christians, did not want seperation of church and state etc...... the list is too long to type. palin, miller, bachmann, mcdonnell, all bithering idiots.....The main idiots still pushing this silly anti-Obama...he is muslim, not american, marxists BS all rooted in these brilliant TPer's If you can't figure out why the world thinks they are uneducated, ignorant rednecks...well
Have any specific examples or are you just acting as a democratic press parrot again? Shall we talk about the "informed, and educated" democrats? Obama maybe? Says he's a constitutional law professor, yet signs unconstitutional bills and enters US troops unconstitutionally into a war.
Shall we discuss the high percentage of low skilled labor that votes democrat? Maybe you would like to point to all those highly educated hollywood stars that endorse the presidential candidate....I'm sure they learned lots before they dropped out of high school.
I stand corrected gpotts, you dont use any talking points!
Mad as hell,
I see that Feisty Red and her buddy Bev got you hating so very much! You just can't stand the TRTUTH! Your hate will smell really great after you carry that garbage around with you for a few days, months, or years. Remember when you hate it stinks and so does the person who carries that garbage around. Congratulations on taking the bait of "truth" and trying to trample it. Your hate is a waste of time and energy. You'd be better off running in a tight circle and see how far you can run! Doing a "slow-burn" may rid the cobwebs in between your ears. However, thanks for the laugh at your expense. You should consider changing your moniker to "Bitter Tea", wonder why?
Once again, our fair Representative's in Congress put more frosting on an already rotten cake. A simple solution to this would be to retrieve our jobs that were exported to China. Oh wait, can't do that. Wouldn't want to put any burden on the already filthy rich corporate execs.
The 38 billion in cuts is pretty good considering it’s only for this year. And as others have noted, considering discretionary spending is all congress could look at in the short time frame, this was as good as it could get.
No, the TP is not a good thing. The social (religious) riders were complete over-reach, and the threat to shut down the government absolutely asinine. Injecting abortion into the budget, or causing more debt and hardship with a shutdown shows the far-right has gone off the chart on the political ideology spectrum.
I’m no fan of Boehner, because he (like all establishment Republicans, including Romney and Pawlenty) parrots the same old right-wing talking points that lack Rule of Reason. However, he does understand that though the GOP/TP has a majority in the House, they are the minority Party overall. The minority Party does not get to dictate 100% of anything.
Heck, even during the seven (7) months or so that the Dems had a filibuster-proof majority, they couldn’t dictate everything. That’s the whole idea, having at least two parties, right?
What has happened to our country? People see politics like sports, and my team must have victory over your team, instead of realizing we are all on the same team as Americans. People no longer care about facts. Even leaders (like Kyl) will blatantly lie on the Senate floor.
The right-wing in particular hears some outrageous thing Glenn Beck said on FOX, or Limbaugh said on Hate Radio, or read some viral E-mail with unknown origin, or gossip at church, and they think these things are truths. The Birthers are an example of this, where evidence has been presented—by Republican governors, bi-partisan panels who review such things before presidential elections, not to mention opposing candidates from both parties, but no! They can’t and won’t accept facts.
This nation has got to get back to the basics of Rule of Reason. The ultra-radical ideologues in the Tea Party are NOT a good thing.
Since when is pointing out examples of stupidity a "talking point" You can't be that dumb???? Yes, when TP held rally two blocks from my house in AZ, that passed out small copies of Constitution at gate (I still have mine) THEN went on to talk about government does not have a right to impose unwanted taxes, and "socialism" should not exist in any form (will clinging to medicare), and the funniest was the contintion that "seperation of church and state" was made up by liberals. I almost lost it! If you do the slightest bit of research, you will see that Madison, Adams, Jefferson, and Monroe ALL believed that religion must be kept out of matters of state. AND government should stay out of religous matters.... YET you are supposed to see the clear implication that the founding fathers would want us to have high capacity clips and all the guns you can afford!!!!!FUNNY but IGNORANT
it's funny that in the list on post #1.30, not one of them mention growing the economy. It's all limit or cut. Sort of like doing a crossword puzzle. Do the easy ones first.
TruePatriot....that is true. However the people's house, House of Reps, is probably the most important of the 3 and holds the purse strings. And this chamber is controlled by the Republicans. The people put them there for a reason. According to gpotts, the majority of Americans must be dumb rednecks and a bunch of uneducated idiots for doing so. His brush cant get any broader.
gpotts...I'm in AZ too, and been to a few of these tea party meetings and have come away with nothing but good things to say. Because I am a conservative, doesnt mean I have to agree with the so-called "leaders" of the party or movement. I can believe in the principles that the party was founded on without following the leaders, and with that, I am talking about the Boehners and the the Palins. They are every bit as entitled to their opinions as you and I are.
I guess it all depends on what your idea of what the government role should be. The tea party comes closest to the ideals of our fore fathers being advocates for strong states rights and smaller federal government. In fact, the only real purposes for the federal government are defense, regulating interstate commerce, and protecting your constitutional rights. Remember, the United States Constitution almost exclusively tells the people what the government CANNOT do. And Obama has repeatedly said he dislikes the Constitution because its "too restricting." Damn right it is and rightfully so!
Social issues aside, you have to admire the TP for provoking the discussion dealing with the debt of our country. Without them, this country, the Reps and Dems, would be merrily spending itself into oblivion.
I believe the tea party is really more of a referendum on crappy Republican policies than anything the Democrats did. Alot of people on the right expect the Democrats to act like Democrats. What we didnt like, is when the Republicans acted like Democrats, especially under Bush.
What has happened to our country? People see politics like sports, and my team must have victory over your team, instead of realizing we are all on the same team as Americans.
That's one of the most profound statements i've ever seen on this forum. Kind of sums it up for me too. But it's not just victory, it's beat into the ground and then rub your face in it. But I guess that's what it's going to be when no one has solutions to the problems.
tonybeeerm...the economy growing would be the result of doing all those things on that list.
AZChzhd - that's hearsay. But of course it would grow for the rich, who if you noticed, aren't doing too bad these days.
Republican Party split right down the middle, kinda like that place where the Sun doesn't shine.
Giggidy
(:^D)
Funny, when the Dems had huge majorities in both houses of Congress and the Presidency and they had to have republican support to pass their own party's legislation because they had so many defections I guess they were showing the way to the place where the sun doesn't shine. Take pride that the party you blindly support leads the way on things like that.
Aw, Louis J - looks like your problem is basic math.
Or maybe you either are in third grade, or perhaps failed third grade math?
Or maybe 59 really is half of 241?
Dude, maybe less TV [Quagmire says hello] and more studying would help?
But hey, you know what was closer to a even split? 81 dems voting against out of 192. Odd how you didn't see fit to comment on the larger amount of dems that went all rogue on Obama.
So Louie what's your prediction on the vote split for the debt ceiling? United we stand and all.
At least this explains something, the Dems have always insisted they are in the centrist.
I get great pleasure in seeing the Tea Baggers lose.
Of course you would. People who use gay slurs to insult others typically like to see others lose, it makes their own pitiful existence seem worth while.
JJMurray.
How is Tea Baggers a gay slur?
Buy a clue or something.
JJMurray pitifully, never been "teabagged" by the spousal unit.
Republicants - If you don't know what tea bagging is or means then why are you using it? Oh wait, that's right, you just repeat what the so-called adults have said.
Paul - Maybe if you ask him real nice he will accommodate you with his spousal unit, or would you have to ask your babysitter?
Hey JJ?? try to google Santorum.... :-) I think that will catch SO much press since he is almost in the ring now... I'm just thankful you guys have got such a slate of complete wing nuts... sure makes our job easier...
Job1, why are you so in love with government spending?
So that was a tea party loss?
Huh. Yeah, must have been the dems pressing for all that cutting. Should be fun when we get tot he debt limit, right gang?
Dems, probably won't be conceding anything on that one.
JJ - I can't believe I'm actually going to comment on this so here goes... What you do (or apparently don't do) in the privacy of your own home is up to you, but let me assure you that "tea bagging" is an equally heterosexual pastime.
JJMurray, you may want to ask the Tea party why they chose the Tea Bagger name. Remember, they chose the name, not their opposition. It's their fault alone that they didn't bother to see if the name meant anything.
Place the blame where it belongs.
Sounds like JJMurray likes teabagging since he knows what it means!! Typical Republican will call you gay around their friends and shack up with a guy when they are not!! :)
Tea party loss?
This was a loss for the entire country.
Oh, sorry let me rephrase that...
This was a loss for tax payers in this country.
That's funny; a gay slur when was the last time they looked like bifocals on your wife's face?
JJMurray.
LOL. I do not use it, actually.
I was just amused by the fact you are so sexually naive as to think only men can be tea bagged, therefore making Tea bagger a gay slur.
Wow. What are you, 7?
Spanky - bet they bring out all the pity parties on how the poor and disabled will suffer. Perhaps obama will come out and say that our elderly won't get SS or medicare or the military won't be paid.
Yep it will always be the republicans fault because they refuse to compromise. It seems that obama is still potus in training when it comes to bipartisanship and compromise.
NY Mike. The Tea Party chose the name Tea Party to fight, in their opinion the extremely high US tax rates. It was a play on the Boston Tea Party event, when the Americans were upset at King George for the same reason.
It is useless people slinging names that started using Tea Bagging. A sexual reference that doesn't belong in political talk.
That goes for all parties.
Uh, actually ... you're wrong. Initially, Tea Party members referred to themselves as "Teabaggers". Personally, I think associating bags of tea with the lot of those people is insulting to the teabags.
Youjustsaidwhat:
I beg to differ. And I am appalled that Obama has used the term. He is a better person than that.
According to Wikipedia.
Use of term "teabagger"
The term "teabagger" emerged after a protester displayed a placard using the words "tea bag" as a verb.[266][267] The label has prompted additional puns by commentators, the protesters themselves, and comedians based on the sexual meaning of the term. It is routinely used as a derogatory term to refer to conservative protestors.[268]
The term has also entered into the political debate; supposed or actual supporters of the tea-party movement have been referred to as "tea-baggers" by politicians such as Senators John F. Kerry[269] and Chuck Schumer[270] as well as by Obama.[271]
Sorry, but, they coined it and now they own it!
Maybe next time, someone will bother to do some research for a change...
Remember when they mailed tea bags to members of Congress? Hoo boy.
@ cdahl, like you said: "According to Wikipedia". Yeah and we believe everything they deem accurate.
No kidding!
Who will ever forget those HATEFUL signs they were waving?
Sorry if I can't muster any sympathy for these hate merchants!
Thanks, Fiesty.
I found my info on Wikipedia, but yours was a good link. And I don't put any stock with people that hold signs that may or may not represent a party. I can find signs like that within any party. I look at the principles, and most of them are fiscally not too bad. In my opinion.
Actually the "tea baggers" come about during an interview w/a tea party member that had tea bags attached to her hat, The new person asked "what's with the tea bags" She said " you know the Boston tea party, we are just tea baggers"
Of course someone had to put in the dirty definition.
Fiesty,
Really? The Huffington Post?? You couldn't find a more reputable source than that? I mean you could do a bit more research while eating your popcorn and waiting on your entitlement check...
You're welcome cdahl!
Good to see you! As for the signs, I'm on record that I vehemently disagree with them NO matter which party is responsible!
You gotta admit though, the ones calling President Obama a socialist while screaming 'Keep Your Hands off My Social Security' are especially ironic - don't you think?
Have a nice evening!
Here's the cute loveable left being civilized.
youtube.com/watch?v=QaiyD3HXH0s
youtube.com/watch?v=71gsnLfsbbM
youtube.com/watch?v=lGliHJe7Xd8
Here's a girl admitting that public union workers in Wisconsin are members of a socialist party.
youtube.com/watch?v=E1LeqQbf4Rs&feature=fvwrel
youtube.com/watch?v=X-nxSRQNmjs&feature=fvwrel
One last one. One of my favorites, where a lefty says they'll get Gov. Walker out, even if they have to physically remove him from office. You liberals are real pieces of work.
youtube.com/watch?v=SsGfNSd7Ls8&feature=related
Do you know what the best part about your post is Lano? The fact that is has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand -- or even this thread.
I refuse to besmirch the few good conservatives by lumping you in with them when I call you a tool. Let me know when you want to trade vile clips and use isolated incidences to paint an entire political group.
this compromise dooms americas wolves to be killed by the wolf-hating hunting, ranching interests in montana, and idaho. what did the poor wolves to to be sold out like this. of course the animals who have NO voice are the ones to be sacrificed. sickening.
irrert - If your inrterested in restoring the natural balance to nature, why not start by applying "survival of the fittest" to our human population. After all releasing natural born killers into any environment without any plans for controlling the outcome is no less dangerous than hiring pedophiles to operate daycares.
IDBill ... huh? irrert is talking about bullsh*t riders being tagged on the whole "budget reform". What the hell are you talking about?
One more time....How much money did the Tea Party save by delisting wolves from the endangered species list?
Sure, it's ALL about the deficit.
Why do they continue to perpetuate the myth? Billions cut? How about $300 Million plus instead. Only in Washington is not spending money you legally are not allowed to spend considered a cut.
Dems To The Rescue!House Passes Budget Deal Despite Bully Tactics, Hostage Taking & GOP Defections With Help From 81 Democrats. Will The Dems Learn to simply Ignore This Irrevelant Bunch?
Well just how do you figure that? Dems to the rescue? Are you that big of a moron?
How is that 59 republicans go against this and the part is divided, but when 108 of the 189 democrats vote against the same thing, there's no problem? You seriously need to have you head examined. Because neither party backed this bill 100%, so both parties are divided.
Stop Brutus - let them have it. Ignorance, whether intentional or not, is really all they got.
Particularly June.
And don't forget basic math, like the number of actual dems v. repubs in the House, or the percentages that voted against the bill are lost on them.
But this new found fiscal responsibility by the party of No isnt. Spend spend spend - until they were called on it. Now its cut cut cut.
im voteing for sheen as president
Mike - are you implying that people can't change their ways?
BTW - At the rate obama and company are going they will be seen as the party of NO, NO WAY by Nov 2012.
Do the right know the meaning of "projection"?
Because every time they prove they have some problem (like saying NO to everything and anything that the other party puts forth, even if it was their idea in the first place), the start accusing the OTHER side of that behavior.
Most of us aren't that stupid, you know.
Do you want to cut the federal budget? Do you want to reduce the deficit? Let's start with the Pork Barrel. The House and Senate can put up or shut up!
Not to mention how much would be saved if any of them would have the integrity to vote for Congressional and Senatorial pay cuts, term limits, and the same amount of cuts in health care that they are proposing. These guys can only agree on one thing: Let's treat ourselves well regardless of how it affects the American people.
I did not care for Rand Paul at all when he ran but so far (and if he is sincere about this) he's been one of the few who has spoken out in favor of term limits and pay cuts for government representatives.
If Rand Paul were serious, he would limit his own term. I'll believe that when I see it.
His father has been in the House since Noah, shouldn't he limit his term as well?
Boehner : "We are going to focus on jobs , jobs, jobs!"
Or wasn't that meant to be a factual statement..?
HAHAHA awesome....
Funny. It' s so teapuggish. They should thank Kyle for coining them a new term. I'm sure that "cut and run", "death tax", "death panels", and "Obamacare" have gotten stale by now.
I've never been a big proponent of the right wing but, in all fairness, I'm not seeing a whole lot being done by either side to actively create jobs. They're as serious about creating jobs as the Democrats are about making budget cuts in the first place. And until the right stops attempting to bring up social issues and the left begins conceding that important, deep cuts need to take place the stalemate will continue as minimum progress is made with maximum effort (or at least maximum effort for a politician).
Harbinger - since republicans are business friendly they already know that it is business that creates private sector jobs. When obama embraced the tax cuts, incentives and credits to business he ensured that business would be ready to create more jobs as demand increases. The flies in the ointment will be (among others) the price of oil, sovereign debt in europe, emerging market inflation and our own debt plans.
Republicans aren't friendly to all business, just the ones who outsource jobs overseas and don't pay taxes!
Obama's arrogance yesterday just bought himself about another $100 billion chunked off the new debt ceiling, when the times comes of course.
Nice job bringing people together my man!
yeah, how dare he put the country before party? Who does he think he is, the President? (oh, wait...)
You lefties keep looking past the fact that Obama has split the citizens of this country like no other President in decades. That was exactly opposite from what I had hoped for when I placed my vote for Obama. He lost my support along with the support of many more like myself than his party has yet to face up to. The threat to Obama and his party's agenda is not from the Tea Party as seen daily in the paranoid attacks by the lefties in these message boards. It's the lost support of former backers that they have yet to come to grips with.
Cheney split the country over the LIE of 9/11 and the lies used to justify the invasion of Iraq. You can't be anymore split than that.
John of Orange is in trouble, he doesn't have the stones to effectively deal with the tea party vs the reality of divided government. The rightwinger needs to understand that the "my way or the highway" attitude is not going to work for them.
Just like it did not work for Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.
#1 The Repuablicans Lied about the Budget Cuts took the CBO to Do The Truth Telling that the So Called $38 Billion only reduces the Budget by 1%. Can We "Recall" these irresponsible, non-analyzing, no-researching, no reading with little intellect bunch?
These Republicans, though not all, but the Majority failed to actually review, analyze, and study the Budgets rather they were more interested in Throwing out a Huge Number To The American Public for bragging rights to prove they were cutting the Budget Come Hell or High Water. They had no interest in doing the right thing by actually conducting a study of the budget and identifying actualy areas where it made common sense to cut those areas.
Republicans saw only a Budget # they failed to See "Real Lives, People & Families"
That alone my Fellow Americans Deserves a Serious "Recall"
If there is no "Recall Law on Congress" then we must work actively to Adopt.
I think it's fair to say the leaders of both parties lied.
Thank you Ron! I'm all for both sides being completely recalled including Obama (who I essentially have no issue with except for his inaffectual leadership skills) and replaced with people who have actually done a day's work in their lives, didn't earn the right to "lead" from the wealthy parents, and who has had to survive on $20,000 a year.
So far, the proposed cuts are a tiny fraction of what is needed to reach balance over the coming decades as unfunded entitlement program expenses rise. Even the proposed cuts from Senator Ryan will make very little difference to the $100 trillion shortfall in funding over the next 25 years.
Here's an article that examines what might trigger a debt crisis in the United States and when that could occur:
http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/04/trigger-point-for-united-states-debt.html
We are not seeing any concrete and meaningful action to fix a problem that will plague us for generations; all we are seeing is government trying to score political points in an attempt to sway voters.
Sad but true...the leadership in both parties is just ignoring the long-term ramifications of these deficit levels. They are discussing some changes, but both are mainly targeting whatever items the other party wants to keep (i.e.; playing politics), and neither party is talking numbers that are big enough to prevent a future train wreck.
Well before we all fall into the chicken little thing with the Tea Partiers, it might do us well to remember that the we didn't get into this hole overnight and we won't get out of it (responsibly) overnight either. Talking about one side (cuts) without the other (revenue) is going to continue to get us nowhere.
tax the rich feed the poor ti there are no rich no more...
well maybe not hat drastic, but the hoarders should pay
If we are talking equal taxation then I agree.
Equality? Even though Thomas Jefferson said it in The Declaration of Independence, it's pretty much a forgotten thing these days. Equality now is considered Socialism. Funny how time changes things.
I am a native born American Republican that would be proud to be called a Tea Bagger by those Douche Baggers on the left.
But have to say that Boehner is a wussy and has no nuts. I am personally ashamed of the Republicans for acting like little girls.
When we Vote out Obama in 2012and the likes of flakes like Barney the Flame Frank let also get rid of and vote out these spineless republicans that still don't get it.
Start with those two obvious ones in Maine and work our way through the ones that look like them.
"When we vote out Obama" ha
Who you gonna run Ghost Busters??
Bobby Charles,
I thought you jumped off the Tallahachee Bridge???
ltcommander - works for me, one can be pres, one can replace pelosi, one can be biden and one can replace clinton. they surely couldn't do worse.
Spoken like a Texan...uneducated and OIL OIL OIL!! OBAMA 2012!!
Well then, fire the dems that voted for it! Their clueless or are receiving a financial reward/award under the covers. FBI, where are you? Do your real job; this is domestic terrorism. While your at it, go after BP. You work for the people, not politicians! Their corrupt as hell!!!
Say what you want about the Tea party. They didn't get us into this mess.
The Federal Government is spending more than $4 Billion dollars per DAY over and above what it is it is taking in($10 bill overall. Just on that amount alone, the $10 billion was eaten up in less than three days. Taking all spending each and every day, it was All gone in less than two days.
In February,it got worse- the average overspentment was $7.9 Billion.
You don't wait before you get to the edge of the cliff before applying the breaks.
Barry Obama spent $221 billion dollars just last month, one month (February 2011), which is more than Congress spent the entire fiscal year of 2007. That is even more than the ENTIRE cost of the Afghan war from its start in 2003 until the end of 2010.
Gov’t Has Borrowed an Additional $29,660 Per Household Since Obama Signed Stimulus February 17, 2011 “... At the close of business on Feb. 17, 2009, the day Obama signed the $787-billion law, the national debt stood at $10.79 trillion ($10,789,783,760,341.41), according the Bureau of the Public Debt. At the close of business on Feb. 16, 2011, the national debt stood at $14.13 trillion ($14,129,889,690,377.50)—an increase of $3.34 trillion (3,340,105,930,036.09)...”
Shutting the government down for just 7 days would have given us more that the Tea party asked for.
And they won't get us out of this mess either. No tax increases anywhere, anytime? Gut social security, medicare, medicaid? They want to "take the country back" alright. Back to 1929.
Bobby
Being native born means you can run for President. And since the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat Obama, you better start champagning. But you better change your tune about gays because it will cost you votes. By the way, Barney is the best Rep we have when it comes to protecting our interest with Banks and Wall Street.
PP good to go.
Obamacare good to go.
EPA good to go.
Every single Freshman Bagger on government sponsored Health Insurance plans for their families......priceless.
You are now free to kill more baby's as birth control and have tax payer pay your bill.
get all the medical needs you have taken care of before Obamacare drives up the cost and the services down.
prepare to pay more for what use to be free as the EPA starts regulating every area of your life including breathing through carbon taxes or some other liberal scheme.
Keep voting in these leftist and you might as well invite terrorist to be airline pilots.... both will destroy America ..
One out of hate and the other out of ignorant foolishness that the leftest liberals champion so proudly.
Funny you should mention hate and ignorance because I've seen very little of anything else in your ranting. So far you have proven:
1. Those affiliated with the Tea Party are homophobes - "Barney the Flame"...nice one.
2. Those affiliated with the Tea Party are sexist - Acting like little girls...because no little boy would act like that.
3. Those affiliated with the Tea Party do not require statistics and figures to make inanely, retarded statements - 3% of PP's activity is abortion in select regions, not all regions, hardly more than what birth control kills...assuming abortion is morally wrong...from your ranting I've now switched from being pro-life to being completely pro-abortion so that rants like these from people like you will someday end.
Also, according to Mitt Romney (before he decided that what's good for one state isn't good for the government), Obamacare will actually save money and create jobs. But way to do your homework there instead of regurgitating the "entertainment" on Fox News. The EPA has been given no more power than it ever had, it's funding has just been continued (although I agree that a great deal of their power and funding does need to be curtailed). And finally As long as there is such little compensation for being an airline pilot before too long the only people WILLING to be pilots are terrorists.
Nice points you've made above, though. It's a shame not one word you spoke was true or even barely coherent but just keep telling yourself you're right if it helps you sleep at night.
Bobby Charles,
You need to get accurate data. Very inaccurate, very misleading, quite stupid really. When you finally trace that stain in the back of your drawers to the Koch brothers maybe you will jump off the Tallahachee bridge.
Bobby Charles. Work on your GED and take a look at the Supreme Court case that allows women to abort fetuses fathered by losers like you.
Ha Ha Ha LOL the truth sure get a rise from you slobs on the left.... Pro baby killing , Pro dud on dude sex... That is sure twisted, Pro every weird strange and unusual & sick behavior....
Your profound ERROR makes you support everything EVIL and then you try and spin it with good intentions and equality. (Spit!)
The fact is Planned Parent hood kills more babies in the womb that any other organization in America ... you can't spin that one .... and it is nothing to be proud of.
& commander and your GED bull crap...I don't go around impregnating a bunch of girls so your point similar to your comrads & it is worthless.
Keep up the good work and making clear with your comments that liberalism is designed by the devil and leftist are his tools. ( Spit Again!)
Save yourself sinner and stay the hell out of my Doctors Office and my bedroom. You an your kind (spit) don't belong there.
Look Commander Sin
I am happy to stay out of your weird and perverse personal life if you crazy people would just keep it to yourselves and stop making it public in an effort to try and legitimize your error.
But if you are going to try and make public all you twisted ways in an effort to try and convince normal people you are not strange.. then expect resistance and a fight to maintain decency and morality for a productive society.
Your liberal ways will kill and destroy and Normal people are not going to just stand there and watch you poeple ruin America
In other words shut up!
81 dems say your wrong!!
First of all, I'm still waiting for Boehner to cry.
Secondly:
Oh really, well then why not repeal the bush EXTRA "job creation" tax cut to the top earners since it NEVER created any jobs AT ALL EVER.
This bill cuts spending.
More likely that ex-Speaker Pelosi shed tears today.
She voted no, right?
Her party is split, I guess...
born late, the Bush tax cuts did create jobs about 8 million between 2003 and 2007 after they were enacted. The unemployment rate dropped to 4.7% in 2007.
Then the error of giving huge home loans to poor people set in as idiotic bleeding heart "charity" set in.
Hopefully in the 2012 elections, voters will throw out more dems and the establishment repubs. Not taking back our country will only lead to a collapse of the USA.
I wouldn't bet on it, you are never going to get the majority of the electorate to embrace a far right wing agenda.
Taking it back? I never quite understood that line.
Great! Right, wrong, or indifferent, a vote against the establishment, be it Democrat or Republican is a good thing. We just can't afford boot lickers right now.
Our economy has been on the tank for decades and those trying to fix it have been in Congress for decades.
Do the math.
There is plenty of blame to go around but those who have been there the longest, and especially those who would call themselves leaders, deserve most of the blame.
Vote them all out.
@Liberty
Finding people on these posts who agree there are problems on both sides of the isle are hard to find here on MSNBC.
Most, regardless of stance come on here and mindlessly attack those of opposite opinions. Quite frankly I'm glad to see this country split like this. It insures that no party (Dems or Reps) can run too far in one direction or the other.
If this itty bitty bit here and there is what the elitist's in power are going to do to balance the budget - why even bother? Inflation and devaluation will eat it up.
While the bozo's in office argue over pennies, Rome ( America ) burns............
You can tell we are screwed - look at the "leaders" we have, anyone with a brain would not want to be a politician.
Let little Timmy continue to de-value the currency - it is sucking value from EVERYONE'S pockets...... coming soon 10.00 a gallon milk.
" Just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round
Hey Tea Baggers compromise is how the government is support to operate. When if you idiots get control of government then you do not had to compromise. Or should I say as soon as America get a WHITE President then we will always compromise. I was not lover of any of the GOP Presidents, but I never disagree on everything he proposed or suggested. If President Obama like it the GOP/Tea Baggers hated it. Please don't tell me it is all about his policies. Where were the Tea Baggers when President Bush was running up the country's debt???????
Yeah! That question in your last sentence has crossed my mind more than once in any given day.
Boehner blinked when he came face-to-face with Obama. Boehner wouldn't look so silly now, if he hadn't talked so tough in the beginning. Besides, $38 billion in cuts amounts to crumbs -- hardly any heavy lifting on Boehner's part -- when compared to the $3.85 TRILLION budget which projects a $1.35 trillion deficit. Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress
True. Crumbs. But on the other hand, only $295B to go to "cut the $4T in the next 12 years" as Captain Fantastic preached yesterday. (For you libs, that is $4T divided by 12 years=$333B per year)
never fear the neocons will carve out enough tax breaks for the rich to negate any benefit, after all that's who bought them in the first place and one of the reasons we are where we are today
John Boner and the Tea Baggers. That would be an awesome band name!
Yeah, it does kinda of has a ring to it. How about John Boner and the Missing Stones?
@Johnson79 lol!
@credence1 lmao!
I say raise taxes (a little). Raise the Soc Sec retirement age (a little). Simply the tax code and the medicare program. Slash Defense budget by 25% by closing redundant, unneeded overseas bases. All of these things need to be done. The U.S. Federal govt has just become too overloaded, overbearing, and overcomplicated. It's going to fail just like GM did.......GM had too many redundant models. They were trying be everything to everyone, and we should know by now that you just can't do that and be successful. There's a limit. Well guess what? Our idiotic federal govt is just as inefficient and bloated and has gone WAY beyond it's constitutional limits!! Too many programs. Too many regulations. Too many responsibilities. Too much DEBT !!!
sounds way too logical for capital hill, problem will be they won't trim the redundant, they will cut back on services we all need and rely on (roads, bridges, air traffic control, law enforcement, border security) and then act innocent when disaster strikes. Bunch of freaking idiots
I would have expected nothing else. Self-seeking politicians wouldn't want to put their own paychecks in jeopardy not to mention having to really work.