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Subscribe to RSSAnother national presidential horserace poll now shows a surge by Donald Trump, with the real estate mogul tied for first with former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee among Republicans surveyed.
According to the CNN/Opinion Research Corp. survey, Trump and Huckabee are the first choice of 19 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin coming in at third with 12 percent.
But the one trait those three top-runners – making up exactly 50% of the first choice candidates of those polled - have in common? They all seem much less likely than other GOP competitors to actually mount a run for president.
While Trump could certainly deploy his news-cycle monopolizing publicity if he decided to run, the requirement that candidates publish a lengthy financial disclosure statement could preclude the business magnate from participating in the race.
Huckabee, who enjoyed a meteoric rise to national prominence during the 2008 election, would have to give up a lucrative television presence to run again in 2012. (Huckabee has reportedly been meeting with potential financial donors, although he has made clear that he will not make a decision on a run until this summer – far later than most of the more well-organized candidates in the race.)
And Palin, who has taken a much less high-profile role in recent months, appears to have made few formal moves towards a run so far. Additionally, her perch as a top conservative female candidate has been increasingly occupied by Tea Party favorite Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota. (Bachmann stood at five percent in the CNN survey.)
According to the CNN poll, regardless of whether they support her, 53 percent of Republicans say they would like to see Palin run while 47 percent would prefer she sit the 2012 contest out. The numbers are similar for Trump, whom 56 percent of GOP-affiliated respondents would like to see run, compared to 43 percent who would rather see the coiffed tycoon stay in the private sector.
More than seven in 10 Republicans would like to see Huckabee run.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who announced the formation of an exploratory committee yesterday, had the support of 11 percent of the poll’s GOP respondents, as did former House Spekaer Newt Gingrich.
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An even more pertinent question is - Will they win?
To quote our 'Weeper of the House' - Oh, HELL NO!
But, it should be entertaining... *popcorn*?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Will they win?
No the birthers, crazies. and the KKK, won't unless you consider living in a seceded state winning. And that ain't happening. This is the UNITED STATES of AMERICA!!!
Will they win???/
Obama won. No one knew who in the hell he was. There have been many people win politicial races that no one knew.
Beverly:
You have issues. You take this political BS wayyyyy to serious. I can see if you personally had control over the way things will turn out but fortunately you don't.
Bev,
Which is why WE must stay out on the front line, diligent & focused, in educating non-political 'junkies' about what is REALLY going on out there! ;o)
This COUNTRY is NOT for SALE!
You are so right Feisty.
Please keep on, and in fact re-double any and all of your efforts. You are the best thing us righties got. Well you and Obama, but man he really is coming around for us on the right these days.
Right old girl - Obama seems to be kinda "giving in" a lot now huh?
In fact I love to hear from you just what he has done to help you progressives and libbies in say the last 6-8 months? Got anything?
Feisty,
Everything Donald has ever done was done to promote the Trump brand.
If he won would he live in the Whitehouse or in his Catalina Island house or one of his other dozen houses?
He loves America sooo muchthat many of his biggest projects are in foreign countries using foreign labor and foreign materials.
If Trump even gets the nomination it would speak extremely poorly of where the mentality of this country is headed.
As entertaining as a Trump nomination might be, I shudder to think of what it indicates about where at least half of the country's heads are at.
Trump is not going anywhere...but to the bank. The best he can do is to come in third or fourth, behind, Romney, Huckabee and Pawlenty. With Trump...its SHOW TIME!
Dennis -
It's going to be up to the educated/moderate voters to tell the circus freak show - YOU'RE FIRED!
Once and for all!
Trump is not running for a damn thing. He is just getting Liberals panties in a wod. Trump is about MONEY. The man knows how to stack paper. Everything he does is about promoting the brand. If you don't understand this, then obviously you are a broke man/woman.
This is America and no matter how you want or wish it could be; it is about the MONEY. Just look at the amount of money even Obama has to raise (a cool billion) in order to be considered for re-election. This is why I do not just discount the SUPER RICH in this country. There are a lot of people that could match that amount with no problem so when one says I want to be POTUS, it may just be a reality one day.
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-obama-romney-palin/2011/04/11/id/392535
According to this Trump beats out all possible presidential contenders for the time being..
Huckabee.......A birther
Hair full Trump.......A bankruptcy chief & birther
Palin........ A Numskull
Bachmann....... A Zombie
What a bunch.
Look at who's being polled. Scroll to the bottom.
This poll is a joke.
IntheMiddle,
You talked about President Obama winning in part because no one knew who he was (subject to debate at another time) but the problem for the present GOP crop is we do know a lot about them. And the only libs who's panties are in a wad are those who are laughing so hard it can't be helped.
Awwww not even Feisty, Obama's number one cheerleader can come up with anything positive he has done to support the libbie agenda in the last 6 months.
Gosh, if the Obama pom-poms are getting too heavy for Feisty things must be bad.
Hey, maybe he'll do the Right thing on the debt ceiling? Maybe he won't fold and will stand up.
Come on Feisty, keep a stiff upper lip and all. Things are bound to get much better given that it is now all about the budget, debt and deficits. These are the exact things that drove Obama to election, right?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Bev,
Which is why WE must stay out on the front line, diligent & focused, in educating non-political 'junkies' about what is REALLY going on out there! ;o)
This COUNTRY is NOT for SALE!
GF this is why every day I bring up the greedy, filthy, Koch Brothers and their dirty money buying our democracy because of their twisted anti-regulation and anti-government ideology. These brothers will do anything for a dollar lie, steal, or kill; to them it does not matter.
The regular right wing who just love to bitch find it boring; but many people read these blogs. For some it may be their first time and will in all probability; especially with the political climate today; appreciate it.
Obama won so Jethro Bodine would have a chance?
You just hit the nail on the head GF! Like I mentioned earlier, we KNOW the 'librul' MSM isn't going to do any of the heavy lifting in getting the message out!
It's up to us...
No one but Trump has the confidence and money to ask the $ trillion question what proof EVER was produced to that LIAR Pelosi "proving" sufficiently to justify giving him access to our nuclear arsenal and $ trillions of our assets that Obama met the minimum qualification to serve in office as a "naturalized citizen."
And why did Pelosi STRIKE "under the Constitution" in her therefore QUALIFIED certification of Obama IF NOT "under the Constitution" then "under Pelosi's SCREWBALL leftist ravings?"
"Things are bound to get much better given that it is now all about the budget, debt and deficits..."
Silly me. I thought it was all about abortions and cowboy poems.
Typing a test message. I make a note here once in a while.. but cannot see my message.??
I want Trump in the race, just I can hear him say those famous words.
"YOU"RE FIRED":)
In the middle - how right you are, look at the libs falling all over themselves.
I do wish trump would get a better hairpiece or shave his head.
Bigbear62 - Lmao, just had a visual of him saying that on election night as he tells obama that.
What an incredible waste of time...
OK Bev and Feisty,
Both of you are critical of the Koch's, but I don't hear you critise Soros......any reason why you don't? isn't he just as bad for this country as the Koch's in your view?
RVZ555
I ate some pretty tasty popcorn the other day when looking at those poll numbers that show Obama's favorability ratings are down EVEN AMONG BLACK PEOPLE. Wow. Did those black folks join the KKK, I wonder? WTF is wrong with them?
The President has NOT lost his Swagger; RVZ555. 5% points is nothing to crow about. SOME Blacks may have gotten lost along the way; but I can guarantee you when push comes to shove we stick together. Out of that 5%, if the election were today, I 'll wager you 5 % of Black people will not vote for a t-bagger, a birther, the KKK, or any other right wing nut job.
L@@k this what President Obama has done and it's more than any other president has done for Blacks in years.
1) BLACK FARMERS' SETTLEMENT...This is a settlement that addressed a historical wrong, I mean something that this country is not about and should not be about,” said U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.
2) BUREAU OF CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION...Minorities were hit particularly hard by the home foreclosure crisis. Blacks and Latinos were steered into predatory subprime mortgages more than other groups, and as a result lost their homes twice as often. A stunning 11 percent of blacks have lost their homes to foreclosures, with somewhere between $72 billion and $93 billion in wealth vanishing forever.
3) CREDIT CARD REFORM...Predatory lending costs American borrowers $25 billion each year, and the poor, African-Americans and Latinos are particularly susceptible to fraudulent practices and higher interest rates
4) ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION... The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act invests $5 billion for early learning programs such as Head Start, Early Head Start, child care, and children with special needs. The Act also provides $77 billion to improve elementary and secondary education, and to stabilize state education budgets. Black children enrolled in Head Start were “significantly less likely to have been booked or charged with a crime,” while African-American males were more likely to finish high school and participate in the work force. In August 2010, President Obama approved $26 billion in aid to school districts to avoid teacher and public employee layoffs.
5) HBCUS and STUDENT LOAN AID. In 2010, the president signed an executive order for the president’s Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). The order provides $98 million in extra funding for HBCUs for 10 years...
6) HEALTH CARE REFORM. The historic $940 billion health care reform bill will allow 32 million additional Americans to receive health care coverage.... According to the Urban Institute, health disparities among African-Americans and Latinos relative to whites cost the U.S. health care system $23.9 billion in 2009. From 2009 through 2018, it is estimated the total cost of these disparities will be $337 billion.
7) UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE EXTENSIONS...this extension is good news for African-Americans, who are typically unemployed at a rate twice that of the general population
8) DIVERSITY... The Obama administration is the most diverse White House in U.S. history. Eric Holder is the first black Attorney General. The UN Ambassador, Susan E. Rice, is also an African American, as is EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, NASA chief Charles F. Bolden, Jr., and Surgeon General Regina M. Benjamin. Diversity is extending to the federal bench as well, with blacks as 25 percent of the President’s judicial nominees, and minorities as nearly half.
9) SCHIP... In 2009, President Obama signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act (SCHIP), which reauthorized and expanded the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). In recent years, over 80 percentof uninsured black children and over 70 percent of uninsured Latino children were eligible for the program. Before the program, it was more difficult for these children to have their health care needs met.
10) CRACK VS. POWDER COCAINE. In 2010, the President signed the Fair Sentencing Act, which narrowed the huge disparity between sentences for possession of crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. Crack users are disproportionately African-American, and the war on drugs has been a war on the poor and people of color, destroying black families and communities. As a result of America’s drug laws, the U.S. has the world’s largest prison population, and a majority of prisoners are blacks and Latinos.
11) NATIONAL MUSEUM OF AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY... President Obama funded the design of theSmithsonian National Museum of African-American History, which is scheduled to open in 2015 on the National Mall in Washington
12) CIVIL RIGHTS... During the eight years of the Bush era, the U.S. Department of Justice was a politicized agency that went after political adversaries and failed to investigate civil rights violations. Under President Obama, the Justice Department and the EEOC have returned to enforcing employment discrimination laws, the things they were meant to do.
http://www.thegrio.com/politics/slideshow-what-has-obama-done-for-black-america-in-2010.php
NOBAMA
It is frightning to think that Trump could win the nomination. Is anyone really listening to him? Put the birther issue aside and hear how he wants to take over and occupy Iraq and challange China to war. Is this the mindset that we want for the POTUS
Bev,
According to you, black is good, white is bad.
Want to comment further? As for the black farmer issue, the number of honest cases rose as well as the awards thank to Obama and the lady who increased the issue. The one who also cried racists when she left that agencyl
You have got to be joking! Trump for president! the way he argued with Rosie and America wants him to run this country? GOD help us!!!
This is the reason the Republicans want to cut all funding for education. We are paying huge sums of money and here is proof the education system is a failure. Donald Trump? You can't be serious! Sarah Palin? You can't be serious! Michelle Bachmann? You can't be serious! Newt Gingrich? You can't be serious!
Serious? No! Stupid beyond belief? Yes!
Folks, give the G.O.P. some credit on this one. Stupid is free. We shouldn't be paying for it.
The support of Trump just supports what has been known for some time. The Right has fallen into the Looney bend.
Trump knows that President Obama was born in the United States. He is just playing to the birther racists, who no matter what proof is placed in front of them will go along with the person who backs their crazy talk.
These Tea bagger- birther racists types will believe anything bad said about the President.
In the middle? That is the problem with Trump. We DO know who he is.....
He lies for publicity. Files for bankruptcy, but continues to brag it was not a PERSONAL bankruptcy.. "just business". Well my question to him is who the hell do you think paid for the two bankruptcies?? The banks, investors and ulitmately Americans.
Feisty, I'll gladly bring the popcorn if I can sit on the couch with you and Beverly on election night. :)
Hell, I'll bring the drinks too. It's gonna be a party watching the results roll in!! Woo Hoo!!
Nothing here posting but maniacs and fringers apparently.
If you are thinking, and want to be realistic, and you want a good election, you don't want any Birther running, PERIOD. Unless you want an automatic win for Obama. And if you do, well that's great. However, I think regardless of what party they support, most thinking Americans want an actual choice of candidates that are eligible to be leaders.
Yes, I am saying you are a flame breathing hypocritical fringer if you think Obama can't lead (as opposed to wanting a different leader).
Smart Republicans know this too. In truth, the search for a legitimate candidate is still going on for the party, and that is just fine.
Fiesty and Bev, You two have to stop putting all that butter on the popcorn. Your BMI is close to that of the space shuttle ! Ok......I have too Im forced too......Lets do the Liberal Cha Cha......comeon BEv and feisty get up off hat couch ......Koch Koch Koch......cha cha cha Oh yea Rove Rove Rove cha cha cha.......ooOoOoOo Bush Bush Bush OmmmmPoppa mau mau! Come one girls lets reduce that BMI......and do the Liberal cha cha!
Hi Chris!
I have a better idea, you bring the drinks and we'll go to Grant Park to watch President Obama win a second term by a historic landslide!
That's where I was in 2008!
And make sure mine has EXTRA butter will ya? ;o)
what is it like to be republican?? Trump and Huckabee are the first choice of 19 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with Sarah Palin coming in at third with 12 percent.....HAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAA
why are you a republican?? Trump and Huckabee are the first choice of 19 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with Sarah Palin coming in at third with 12 percent......HAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAA
who will you vote for president in 2012?? Trump and Huckabee are the first choice of 19 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, with Sarah Palin coming in at third with 12 percent......HAHAHAHHAAHAHAAAA
HAHAHAAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAAAAAAAAA !!....they really do want to destroy America and the world, don't they!!
Soutinly??? I wouldn't get TOO smug. Just 2 short years ago, it was a negative to be a Republican candidate and YOU guys got "shalacked". People's opinions are as fickle as ever. You guys keep putting up candidates like Bachman, Palin, Trump and their ilk, you will SEE how fickle voters can be.
Ita hard to believe that anyone can honestly believe Donald Trump would make a good president ... if people honestly believe that .. there is little hope for this country .. where are the diplomats the negotiators the centrist and the common sense people today ... do out and out lies ... bigotry... prejudices ...greed ... envy .. intolerance .. racial and religious hatreds mean more to people than ...living in a free and fair country
I used to like 'the Donald', but this little gambit with the birthers is slander. Ordinarily, most untrue statements are the result of ignorance and misunderstanding, but the intent of the birther movement is clearly to harm Obama with a blatant lie and innuendo. This behavior is a classic slander, and anyone including Donald Trump who should know better is just as guilty as the originator of this pathetic scheme. He will not get my support nor should he get yours.
GOPers! :
What's more pathetic?
Obama?
Or the fact that your top candidate for 2012 is a bankrupt, attention-seeking ego maniac with a dead fox for a hairpiece with ZERO POLITICAL EXPERIENCE?!
Beverly in Chicago - Do your research on the Black Farmer Settlement deal. It was facinating when the facts showed payouts to WAY more black farmers than existed at the time. It was a total rip off of our county's bank account that is already pretty empty. Obama, Holder, and Shirley were the architects of that con job. Glad it made you happy and you see it as a coup. I see it as crooked politics with the media burying the facts from the American public. Do your research before you brag on what this President and his cronies have done. I'm all for righting wrongs but who exactly got the money that was supposed to go to the non-existent farmers? Campaign funds perhaps? Just wondering....
Wow, Trump or Bachmann or Palin or Gingrich or Huckabee? I don't think the President fears any of them. It's funny that the strongest candidate that could run (Romney) and have a chance at winning, wouldn't able to get out of his own primary (Mormon). The irony of that right there is hilarious. Too many (not the majority) of Repubs. turn to guns, God and would never vote for a Mormon
Donald Trump is only hyping for "Apprentice " and I have to admit, I watch it, when I heard someone bashing Joan Rivers. I couldn't help myself. Next to Howdy Doody's Mom, Trump is my least favorite "personality?" And then he has his daughter, another Trump clone. No way is he going to run for anything but from a barber's shears.
Palin is a "no brainer!" Really, I woman had a scan (Someone put a flash light to her head!) Her diagnosis was a "no brainer."
Bachman scares me. I mean the woman has a maniacal look about her. She looks my grandson when he's making poopie in his diaper. Only his face goes back to normal when he is done dodo-ing. Now, I give the woman credit, for charity work with kids but, has anyone ever investigated, to see if she had nannies or illegal aliens, helping raise those children? Bachman just does not look like the nurturing woman, some poor kid would want, to cuddle when they are hurting.
Let's face it, the media has nothing to report so they need these publicity seeking idiots, to fill air time. I just wish I had the money the pollsters waste on all of this mindless prattle.
Obama wants to follow the path of Billy C., Obama was near to shut down the government for political gain, hijackings Military paychecks now he is going to present his version of Ryan's proposal to bring sanity to our government finance , however Obama in his reelection campaign will bring another false promises like , bring troops home, close Guantanamo, bring the nation together. Mr. spender wont change a bit he will continue adding more money to our debt, 14 trillions of dollars up-today , 130,000 dollars per taxpayer, he will add another trillion to the end of the fiscal year. A community organizer is leading our nation to more inflation, hurting the poorest with higher prices of food, gas, clothes.
Was Mickey Mouse a choice? Funny as it may sound I bet good old Mickey would of done well.
True or False? A,B,C, or D. We have picked what you will have! Now pick one.
LOL!! NOt only are elected republicans complete idiots, but look at the people who are being polled!!! They think Trump is a viable candidate????? "Err yeah, dats duh guy from TV. Ur farred!!! Lets vote for 'em, Cletus!"
Oh Madison... I see you have been smoking the dope today... Guess you missed the report from the Hawaii official finally explaining (for those of us with brains), that NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can get a copy of original birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. Every request for a copy will produce the live birth certificate. Both the Republican Gov and the AG saw the original on file at the dept of health. Now, I know you wingnuts say it is all a conspiracy, but you really give the Obamas too much credit. They were really something to have known the day Obama was born, that he just MIGHT run for Pres, so by God, they got busy and covered their tracks that he was born in Kenya by placing bogus announcements in two papers about his birth. What brains those people had back then..
You know, I see the poo flying a lot on Newsvine and have done my share, but this article has generated more screaming hate than any I can remember in recent memory, from 'both' sides. :P And I think part of the screaming hate, is the bickering over who is screaming more hate. Ironic.
TRUMP is doing so well because he is asking the questions that most americans have, PC be dammed, which is how most americans feel, thus resulting in trumps high poll numbers, polls dont lie, you liberals are a minority, and we hate you.
I'm starting to think there won't be a Republican running for 2012...just a bunch of right-wing zealots. What has happened to the Grand Ole Party? Heck, these Tea Party Loons make Nixon look respectable!
the democrats have become the communist party, death to communists, god bless the conservative majority, want to have a civil war over it?
The Republican candidates are starting to remind me of the Cali governor race when Arnold won. He was going against Gary Coleman and a porn star. Well, Coleman is dead now . . . but maybe the GOP can get Arnold and the porn star on their ticket too. Why not, the current candidates are complete clowns. Let's make it one big circus freak show.
At least the GOP will be providing a ton of comedic material for SNL and the Daily Show.
This poll is folly. I know of no conservative who would even consider voting for Trump, or Palin. Huckabee is a bit of a silly-head, Romney could debate Obama and embarrass the teleprompter.
Newt is very smart, but would be a terrible candidate.
We need someone fresh, intelligent, and without the baggage of these other folks. Someone like Ron Paul, Ryan, Pawlenty. Yes, these folks also have liabilities, but none are the empty suit currently occupying the White House.
Hope the dems will at least nominate Hilary, Barry is so out of his league. I don't get it, Biden with 30 years experience and Barry with what 2 years, and Biden is the Vice? Come on what's wrong with that picture? I pefer a con in the white house, but if that doesn't happen please not Barry for another 4 years...
I can't see a landslide or any other win for Hussein the Mohammedan and his circus troop of haters. Once i read a story that seemed outlandish, about Hussein being a soviet agent, written in the 1980's, but the more i see every day, the more i wonder-How could they have known he'd be running? Because he was Set up for it? Anything's possible, but now that we've seen the idiot in action, even Trump looks good. So redheads and bev GF's can stuff it as far as i'm concerned and salt thier popcorn with arsenic for all the good it's going to do them. I'll just wait for the dust to settle and Watch my Lane for the odd idiot to cross it as a pop-up-and knock it down.
safecracker-1205811 said:
OK Bev and Feisty,
Both of you are critical of the Koch's, but I don't hear you critise Soros......any reason why you don't? isn't he just as bad for this country as the Koch's in your view?
#1.25 - Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:17 AM HST
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George Soros laughs off Glenn Beck's "Puppet Master" theory
The liberal billionaire calls Beck a mouth-piece for Rupert Murdoch's
reactionary agenda Video
By Peter Finocchiaro
CNN
George Soros has achieved something of mythic status in the Glenn Beck
lexicon, even more so than the likes of ACORN and the Muslim Brotherhood.
The Fox News host had always held a suspicious posture around the
progressive-minded Hungarian billionaire, but that sometimes hesitant gaze
coalesced into a glaring conspiracy theory late last fall when Beck
dedicated a two-day arc of his program to the notion that Soros was the
liberal "puppet master," plotting the downfall of American civilization.
Soros responded to the assertions in an interview with Fareed Zakaria...
calling Glenn Beck the puppet and Rupert Murdoch his shadowy Orwellian
overlord.
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Here's a CNN videoclip of George Soros, an elderly Hungarian Jew that
exerienced the Holocaust as he was growing up, answering Fareed Zakaria's
question on Glenn Beck's claim that supposedly he is the liberal grand
conspiracy puppetmaster of all non-conservatives in the U.S.:
www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/19/soros_responds_to_beck_accusations
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Covert Operations
The billionaire [Koch] brothers who are waging a war against Obama.
by Jane Mayer
THE NEW YORKER MAGAZINE
Excerpts:
The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers' corporate interests.
In a study released this spring, the University of Massachusetts at Amherst's Political Economy Research Institute named Koch Industries one of the top ten air polluters in the United States. And Greenpeace issued a report identifying the company as a "kingpin of climate science denial." The report showed that, from 2005 to 2008, the Kochs vastly outdid ExxonMobil in giving money to organizations fighting legislation related to climate change, underwriting a huge network of foundations, think tanks, and political front groups. Indeed, the brothers have funded opposition campaigns against so many Obama Administration policies—from health-care reform to the economic-stimulus program—that, in political circles, their ideological network is known as the Kochtopus.
The advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation—an organization that David Koch started in 2004 — held a different kind of gathering. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials "have a socialist vision for this country." Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas.
In a statement, Koch Industries said that the Greenpeace report "distorts the environmental record of our companies." And David Koch, in a recent, admiring article about him in New York, protested that the "radical press" had turned his family into "whipping boys," and had exaggerated its influence on American politics.
But Charles Lewis, the founder of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonpartisan watchdog group, said, "The Kochs are on a whole different level. There's no one else who has spent this much money. The sheer dimension of it is what sets them apart. They have a pattern of lawbreaking, political manipulation, and obfuscation. I've been in Washington since Watergate, and I've never seen anything like it. They are the Standard Oil of our times."
Read more: www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
I do not know about you but Obama might loose the election unless minorities are blind to notice that
1) the job outlook among blacks and poor whites have significantly shrunk even for those with degree
2) those who lost jobs and continue to lose jobs are mostly minorities, blacks and Latinos and poor whites
3) high school dropout rate and the quality of education being provided among poor neighborhoods has deteriorated.
4) there has been no turnaround in economy in industrial towns where hopes were high
5) the number of minorities incarcerated has dramatically increased even for minor infractions
6) US public is not really interested to be world police. they have internal economy to police. Obama promised we will get out of Iraq and Afghanistan and so far he has not.
7) the US public wants foreigners to compete in US market only if they can manufacture or produce it within the US using US labor.
8) US public wants Jobs, better education and healthcare and balanced budget.
We need Lincoln "civil army" leader to correct all the mess and Obama does not seem to be the one.
Wow you are one odious little twerp, aren't you? I can only think of one thing that would make a man so bitter and angry at the world...
sorry for your loss, snerk...
YAY!
This poll points to a bat@!$%# crazy Republican candidate surviving the Thunderdome primary.
Thank you Tea Party!
Obama in a landslide victory come '12!
It's odd that Trump is questioning the president's birthplace, don't you think? Even more odd is that a billionaire would put his reputation on the line for something so seemingly silly. It's almost as if he has the money and connections to actually know something that we don't. Have to wait and see.
I hope you're right. A lame duck president and divided congress is the only sure way for government to not be able to increase our debt and ridiculous spending. Hell, they'll be fighting so much nothing will get done. Exactly what we need.
" It's almost as if he has the money and connections to actually know something that we don't. Have to wait and see."
Eccentric.
When a wealthy person does something crazy and/or embarassing like run up the birther flag or poop their pants intentionally we say they are being eccentric.
mj- we hate you
This really does not speak well for the GOP in 2012. D. Trump will get the vote of 33 percent of this country that is bat-@!$%# crazy. The rest, forget it.
From: www.huliq.com/3257/trump-recycles-long-debunked-birther-material-he-makes-rounds
As Politifact notes, this is an old claim that has been Snopes'ed to death as false. In fact, it was declared incorrect back in 2008 by Salon.com. It is easy to forget the facts, however, over the years, so here is what Salon.com said:
During the interview, which was conducted through a translator by a street preacher named Ron McRae, Sarah Obama does in fact say she was present. But it's clear that there was a mistranslation, because as soon as McRae very excitedly starts to try to get additional details, the people on the other end of the line realize what's happened and say, over and over again, that Obama was born in the U.S.
For some reason, the transcripts of the interview that have been posted on various right-wing Web sites all seem to cut off right after Sarah Obama says she was there when her grandson was born. So does this YouTube video with the audio of the interview. But as The Economist points out, McRae also released the full audio, in which the key parts of the conversation can be heard. Here's part of it. (The other person speaking is translator Vitalis Akech Ogombe.)
MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?
OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.
MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.
OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.
MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.
OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.
My GOODNESS Joe... a little too stressed these days??? While I TOTALLY disagree with just about everything you say, I wouldn't go as far to say I HATE all conservatives. YOU, bucko are part of the reason there is so much hate flying around these days. Some of the best policys ever enacted was worked out between two parties. Thinking like YOU will only keep this country spiraling out of control.
There is always a chance that Trump could be voted the GOP candidate. There are plenty of sheep who like him as a reality TV show star, and that would probably be enough for them.
We(the US) have more than our fair share of ignorant and uneducated(on issues, not just academics) voters. That makes anything possible.
I doubt Trump will ever be POTUS though.
It sounds like a couple of female posters here drink way too much before they begin typing. Maybe they take their laptops to the bar.
Just when it looks like the Republicans can't find anyone any less worthy of consideration than Sarah Palin, along comes TRUMP! Uh, Donnie, hate to break this to you, but Chapter 11 is not an option for the government! OOPS!! There went all of YOUR expertise! That, and accumulating trophy wives!
Auntie,
Actually, Trump might be the man, because at least he will know when to get the country into bankruptcy court--since our past administrations have lead us down that road.
American born, it's a step up
thank you, Auntie-
the last person we need in office is someone whose only qualification for the job is that he's rich, especially when he's rich only because his accountants have learned how to manipulate the US bankruptcy laws for their own financial gain. Trump for president is a f*cking joke, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's not making a lot of noise so people might start thinking that other idiots like Palin are more "qualified".
The title of this article should have read "OBAMA WINS SECOND TERM" because that pretty well sums up the content of it.
No kidding, Comedy Central and SNL would be the best thing to come out of this.
look what happened to the repuke party...dam!...tea-baggers took over the gop repuke party,con-serv-ah-nothins are leaderless,right-wing is now the WRONG-WING...WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE GOP?HEY...AMERICA!THE DEMS ARE NOW THE MILLINEIUM REPUBLICANS...AND THE GOP-TEA-BAGGERS ARE THE DEMS OF YESTER-YEAR...ALL IN REVERSE!...THINK ABOUT IT.....GOP BLEW THE HELL UP IN OUR LIFE-TIME...WOW!
IMO, there is a deeper problem here. We have made the presidency into such a punching bag, that our best and brightest eventually won't want to run. Who would want to put their family through it? It would be alot easier to go into finance, make millions and live in anominity.
Colorado Crenshaw, the best and brightest already don't run. A look at the last election -- both parties -- should clearly indicate that.
I've got a gifted 14 year old who's already figured THAT out!
Its funny - democracies have always been based on compromise - but no one on either side seems to get that anymore. Republicans want to thwart Obama and dem congressman at EVERY turn and their constituants are pleased by that. Democrats are ready dump Obama because he hasn't ramrodded every single policy he wants down congress' throat for the past few years.
Am I the only one who thinks that the country would be worse off if either side got everything they claim to want? Are there any moderates out there on Newsvine? It's an uncomfortable role for me to be the moderate as a minority from Idaho!
Am I the only one who is willing to pay more taxes AND cut spending in order to pay for the financial sins of the past 30 years for the good of our country? We've lived high on the hog for decades and now its time to make the painful cuts we need to pay off the credit cards! Might mean we cut social security beniefits for my gen (gen X). Might mean we discontinue the newest toys for the military (really, is the F-18 so incapable that we need to get a joint strike fighter to replace it?) Perhaps we need deeper cuts into health care than Obamacare already made.
I hate paying so much in taxes, but I live comfortably. Until everyone is willing to prioritize Soc Sec, Defense, tax cuts and Medicade/Medicare, we're never going to make a real dent in the defecit. All these recent budget battles are political BS that do next to nothing to really square the budget.
Feisty,
Can't wait to "out you" after the Prez's visit. Name, address and hopefully telephone number.
Should the bumper sticker say Dump the Trump or Trump the Dump?
NOBAMA
Leanderm, if you're not going to research the candidates for the most important job in the world, and just pick one at random, please just stay home. Your country doesn't need any more input from the ignorant and uninformed. We've got Congress for that.
john-
it should say "take a dump on Trump"!
@Soutenly, how old are you? If any Republican candidate thinks or acts like you, then the likelihood of us ever bringing the troops home is slim to none. Sounds like all you want to do is fight, or instigate a fight. One has to be reasonable when one is a leader of a democracy and consider all points of view, not just your own. You've got a lot of growing-up to do.
Damn sout, are you upset?
I don't blame you if you are.
After seeing that poll I bet alot of conservatives are upset.
No wonder Rove himself said Obama should be considered the favorite.
It's bad when Rove has given up hope.
Personally, I see no hope for America period. America has already been sold. We have 1% owning 90% of the wealth. The biggest imagined threat is our debt, with 9% unemployment. We need to tax the wealthy and the corporations. Everybody knows this. When a state employee who earns 50,000 annually is held up as an example of waste while the CEO's get multi-million dollar, tax free bonuses and corporations get tax money instead of paying it (on 14 billion in profits), America has already been sold.
The GOP lineup looks like a comedy show line up and the Democrats of today are much further right than than the GOP of a few years ago. The average American does not stand a chance. Everything is for the 1%'ers.
We need to raise revenue, through taxes on the wealthiest among us. Use that money to put Americans to work, not pay down the deficit. If the money does not stay in circulation in America, then we will never recover. It has become a very sad joke, we are watching the end of an empire, because of greed.
Americans deserve all of the rights of every other "civilized country." Instead, we give our money to the wealthy, do not tax the corporations or the wealthy. We are allowing "them" to destroy education, prevent real universal healthcare and destroy our freedoms, with the very useful propaganda media machine. We used to have a "Fairness Doctrine" that assured Americans that their tee vee news could not lie to them. Now the courts say media has no duty to be honest on their "news" programs. Citizens United allows corporations to legally purchase all of the politicians they want, so they can run our country.
Instead of serious candidates we get the proven hypocrites and the money is everything crowd.
People before profits should be our new creed or we will fail as a nation.
MD--
Bulls-eye.
Our politicians, Obama included, take this questionable woman down for a makeover. New, sleek designer dress, fine French nails, a Gucci handbag, Bruno Magli shoes and, you bet, lipstick.
Standing on the corner of East Capitol and 1st St, We the People see her for what she is; the same old, tired whore, bought and paid for by our own money.
What was once absurd is now a regular day's business. We pillage the poor and rape the middle class, so we may give generously to the rich. I see a man on TV telling me how it is. He speaks in 50's style about the feared communists and their plot. His $30Million contract leads me to suspect he does not have my interests at heart. Tired of his paranoia, I tune the radio. Another man, who is cynical and hateful says pretty much the same thing. He then insults me by saying that I am ignorant, and he is learned and I should do as he says for the good of the country. I suspect he also has a big contract.
I remember a word I heard long ago: incrementalism. Spell Check says this is wrong, but I remember it well. I try to tell my 14 year old how it works. I cannot make any big, obvious change all at once, because large numbers of people will get upset, and not allow it. But, I can make a whole bunch of little changes in many different places at the same time, and very few will notice. I get a lot of regular folks to do this. They have their hearts in the right place, mostly, but I offer them money to help them do their work.
Before too long, lots of changes have been put in place. Soon, there are enough people who think my way in elected office that they start changing the rules, a little bit at a time. Meanwhile, I go about buying up the companies that would normally raise Hell about these changes, and perhaps even figure out my overall plan. Since I own them, they will keep quiet if I say so. I get my friends to go out rabble-rousing about stuff that doesn't really matter, just so everyone will worry about this stuff that doesn't matter, instead of what I really have going on.
Because incrementalism takes such a long time, the kids are about grown up, and they have no idea what it is they lost over all that time. It was a democratic nation, where the government worked for the People first; not the big businesses and rich folks as a group.
That allegory I tell her is what really happened. Somewhere in the past, we had a leader who pretty much told the country it's about "Me First." To Hell with you, the community, the country. Grab all you can, and step over the bodies as you walk up the stairs. He said that if you were unlucky enough to be a "short order chef," that was perfectly ok. After all, the owners need drones to do the work of making them rich.
What is coming now is not little, incremental steps. It's a deluge. No one snowflake thinks it is to blame for the avalanche, and yet, the slide has begun. All the little snowflakes that empowered the monsters of greed are now powerless to stop it. The wildest fantasies of the economic anarchists are coming true. Josef Goebbels would blush at what those monsters have accomplished. Ordinary Americans voting themselves into slavery at a pace the Nazis could never have dreamed of.
Trump being in the lead tells you EXACTLY who the GOP voters are going to be. Those that want the further division, and polarization of this country, those for whom tribalism is their moral code. Those who only want to deal with people who talk about things having nothing to do with the betterment of this nation. Those who only want to vote for old white men, with bankrupt companies (anyone remember Bush?) who look like them. Wait a minute. There can't be that many people with hair like Trump's in the nation...could there?
Sure, there could! Anywhere there's roadkill, there's a potential Trump hairpiece!!
Country roooaaaaad!! Take me hoooommme!! To the place!! Where I can get a new HAIRPIECE!!!
NDD:
I guess you are one of those people that just do not understand the art of moving money around to your advantage. RICH and comfortable people declare BR all of the time in order to rearrange or eliminate accrued debt. Everyone that declares BR is not BROKE. Trump's walk-around (trick) money is probably more than this whole rooms combined income. That is not an unsuccessful person by American standards.
Speaking of Donald's 'do' - does anyone know what he feeds that thing living on top of his head?
Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL
Speaking of Donald's 'do' - does anyone know what he feeds that thing living on top of his head?
Lots of hairspray
10 points for Beverly and Auntie Fascist today! Feisty...pass the popcorn, this is getting good!
Red,
If I am not mistaken, feeding that thing is done by Jack Hanna only. Also, wasn't Trump on David Letterman a couple weeks ago, doing "stupid pet tricks" with that thing?
LMAO Big Bear! No doubt with a VERY long sharp stick
The Donald could make money by merging a deal with Chia Pet and selling the Chia Donald.
Hey Feisty,
Don't forget to smile for the camera when Obie comes to town this week. Can't wait to see what you actually look like.
But he doesn't feed it; he sucks the snot out of it's nose every day!
He feeds it the souls of young beautiful gold diggers!!
I finally got a chance to hear Trump speak today. I never realized just how literate he is. I think he could easily match Obama in any debate, and, given Obama's track record and lack of real world experience, Donald might just tear him up.
I didn't take Mr. Trump seriously for a Presidential candidate before today. I do think he needs to see a hair styist, and do something with the blond comb-over, or whatever that is.
Colorado, you hit the nail right on the head...the best and the brightest won't run wich is too bad, and why would you want to put your family through it?
"why would you want to put your family through it?" especially when you have seen what President Obama and his family have been through.
The first African American President and his country of birth is questioned, his religion questioned, his intelligence and giftedness denigrated. The personal attacks from the Republicans on President Obama have been disgraceful.
Amy
I couldn't agree more. All the GOPTP has done is show the whole world exactly how little class they have. Now Trump seems to be their go to guy. First Palin, next Bachman and the list goes on and on. The less qualified the person is to be POTUS the more they love them. It has become this bizarre race for the bottom.
It used to be that the GOP(the TRUE Republicans) would at least place their faith in a person that was actually qualified to be POTUS. Now all the GOP/TP wants is somebody good at calling people names. Witness what they have done to President Obama. That's OK though. After the 2012 election they will crawl back under the kitchen appliances where they belong.
Too bad it'll take a couple of election cycles to completely rid ourselves of them.
Dennis:
What is exactly the qualifications to be POTUS?????
What does the Constitution say, not what Liberals say?
Amen to that.
Mind you now, I said QUALIFIED, not eligible.
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
Here's where it get's good.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
So, even if the President was born outside of the United States, which President Obama wasn't, he would still be eligible for the presidency. You see, his mother was a US CITIZEN. Tell all of your birther friends.
Good job, Dennis! I'm sick of the birther nonsense too.
Thanks NewdayDAWNING. As for qualifications, I do believe the American people will define qualified for the GOP/TP.
As for the birther crap. Those folks should actually research the Constitution they claim to love to much.
I'm sorry, I forgot to cite references: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
I started to write an answer to In The Middle's question:
When I suddenly realized mine is not the opinion that counts in this primary, since I went through all this in 2007, picking amongst the field of Democrats.
It's up to the Republicans to ask each other: why would Donald Trump be a good President? Why would Sarah Palin, Huckabee, or Mitt Romney be a good choice for America? The Republicans need to search their souls, as I did in 2007, sit through a gazillion forums and debates, then make the agonizing choice. I only hope they are as happy with their candidate as I ultimately was with mine. (Go Obama 2012!)
Can't believe anything you read on these blogs.
Check my references. http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
You don't get it. Ask yourself, why has the Republican leadership (oxymoron, I know) not set the birthers straight. It's simple actually. The more uninformed and ignorant your base is it's easier to mold and manipulate them.
I love it!
Dennis, Good Research.
leanderm, after seeing your previous posts....I can't believe you can read period!
Just what America needs, a president who has declared bankruptcy twice, undercut everyone around them, and laugh all the way to the bank. Don'tcha love capitalism?
It's almost too much fun as someone who is from the right to watch these threads, but I feel the need to show some compassion and point some of you to some answers.
I have no "birther" friends to inform of anything, nor do I know of any. Senator McCain has been in power for far too long to not have "November Surprised" President Obama if there was any possibility that he wasn't eligible to be POTUS. I'm also extremely confident that President Obama was born in the US as he claims, since once again if any of that had been untrue it Senator McCain had the means to find out and would have used it against him.
If memory serves, President Obama became eligible to be POTUS during changes made in the law during the Reagan administration. Before that he would have been ineligible due to his mothers age at the time of his birth.
As to the list of those constantly mentioned as "GOP frontrunners" in the mass media, most are considered complete jokes by those on the right. Palin gave up any chance the moment she resigned as govenor, Trump is seen as some sort of bizarre caricature of whoever he actually is, Gingrich might be good for speeches and organizing but his negatives are far too high to run for POTUS. Eventually a real candidate or ten will emerge on the right, but so far only those who make money from publicity seem to be getting any attention (what a surprise!).
But if you prefer to believe that the right is made up of crazies that are enraged gun toting KKK members who believe in birther conspiracy's please continue to do so. If nothing else seeing the left's reaction to being trolled (it's my opinion your being trolled fairly often on this) is at least getting a laugh or two out of those of us on the right.
Really the whole question of Obama's birthright is a non-issue at this point in time. He is the seated President, and that's obviously not going to change till at least January 2013.
So let's just move on to something that's important. (Debt crisis anyone??)
Trump is not running. This is just another one of his publicity stunts.
It's time to elect someone who is not a politician.
"It's time to elect someone who is not a politician"
Perhaps but not this guy whose entire life has been a facade. How many of us would succeed if handed prime NY real estate as inheritance? My guess is about 6 in 10. Trump has no rags to riches story and he certainly cannot relate to the average American. Reagan was a political heavyweight thinker compared to this chump. The GOP/TP is clearly getting into a desperate situation although I do believe they will coalesce behind whatever candidate is chosen in the primaries. No matter how nutty that candidate might be.
I do believe there are enough Americans who genuinely hate Obama that one of this loons could win under the right circumstances ($5.00 a gallon gas, any economic backtrack, etc.). That would be a complete disaster for America. I see this country eventually failing. Not because of financial issues but because there are two clear schools of thinking in direct opposition to each other. Such a circumstance will eventually have consequences. I could never agree with the underlying beliefs of the Tea Party. They will never be acceptable to me. And in reverse they appear to view my beliefs in the same ways.
So basically what you are saying is: The party system stinks! We need to get rid of it for it is and has been killing this country.
thanks for the $4 gas Obama
Can you explain what Obama has to do with the price of gas?
No, she can't. And leanderm, did you thank Bush the last time it got that high? Oh, and do you thank Congress every year for buying off the oil industry with subsidies paid for with your tax dollars? Gas is already over $4/gallon, but part of that you pay in taxes, not at the pump.
Shawn .... is it the 2 party system that doesn't work? I personally think the way in which business in DC is conducted has changed drastically. Politicians used to earn their reputations for "working with others" "coming across the aisle" even "hornswaggling to get their way". (Isn't this why they always say "my good friend from the state of...") It appears we now just have refusal on both sides to work with anyone...period.
Would the 2 party system work again if our politicians would wander across the aisle again?
And if THEY would work together maybe it would once again trickle down to the electorate so that a good share of this nastiness would subside?
Or...are we all just that lost? (D's AND R's)
V-Girl-
Once, not so long ago, they did get along, negotiate and compromise.
Then, along came a narcissistic troll from Georgia-- Newt Gingrich. He was an unapologetic absolutist. My Way Or The Highway became the mantra. Freshman GOP reps were forbidden to mingle, associate with or share common friends with the Dems.
Once, their kids went to school together, they went to the same few churches, even dined together at events. No More. Once considered "adversaries" or "opponents," they are now ENEMIES. Now, they have a new overlord: Corporatists and the investment banks.
There is a small class of people, extremely wealthy and connected... the ones who see the rest of us as little more than animals and serfs, all... who truly, collectively believe in the righteousness of Feudal Society. They believe in aristocracy at best; a peasant society with royals and the Gentry in total control. They are the 180° from communist theories, and every bit as extreme.
Huckabee.......A birther
Hair full Trump.......A bankruptcy chief & birther
Palin........ A Numskull
Bachmann....... A Zombie
What a bunch.
Pius- you forgot that worthless Noot guy...Mr Family Values.
d-b-o
thanks,
Randy Newt.......A bigot/cheat
you forgot Newt a Newt
When Trump fires Obama, the Dems won't be popping corn. Somebody will pop their corn. BTW Emeka, how come Obama doesn't have his academic records and his children have theirs. Does he have a marriage certificate? Seriously speaking. I'd like to see it.
Just what we need in some foreign relations negotiations with someone like Medvedev (sp?) or Netanyahu or someone. Someone with a little tiny mouth and huge hair hollering accross the table "your'e fired" when things don't go his way.
Well, maybe if past governments had done more of "you're fired", we might not be in 2 wars and 1 conflict.
how's that peace prize working?
Since I am not one of the regulars this won't get posted but I'll try any way.....
How bad has this country gotten that a reality show bozo can get idiots to vote for him?
This country is in really bad shape, depending on your age, you may not have noticed. Besides being a reality show bozo, he is one very smart PATRIOTIC business man.
Good post, Cindy. I will confess that I like to watch the Apprentice and I like to watch Trump's shameless self-promotion but really-----to run for President? His daughter seems to be the brightest one on the show--maybe she should run!
Surely you would agree after actually reviewing his dealings he is in fact a rather lousy businessman. A TV show can go along way towards building an illusion.
We already live in a me, me, me culture and Trump is the ultimate icon of that trade. Can anyone imagine how gaudy a Trump Presidential Library would look?
Welcome, Cindy! And it is magic...all you have to do is push post comment, and your comment is posted!
Cindy When Charlie Sheen continues to make money being a ridiculous idiot off the American public I would say anything is possible. People have lost all common sense.
not as bad as voting in Obama
shawn, the only thing smart about Trump is who he hires to run his pr, and who he hires to balance his books (people very well versed in bankruptcy law).
in contrast, you have self-made businessmen like Bloomberg who can actually run a giant economy like a successful business.
I agree that sometimes the best leaders are not actually politicians, but please don't let Trump slide in under that logic.
Cindy, Like the governor of your state???LOL
Feasty Beasty and Cleverly, What a couple of tired worn out liberal hags.......... Of course liberals will vote for Borat Sotero again, liberals don't possess a spine....
Well you can be sure that we are NOT going to vote for Republican "fuzzy numbers".
If so many Republican politicians weren't corrupt, you'd have more folks to choose from, but the fact is, Republican politicians are fraid to come out from under their stump because they have so much dirt on them.
You libtards can vote for whom ever you want. No one cares and no one asked you.
Cindy,
I'm confused. What is a bozo?? Is that a California resident??
I think it's a weak argument to suggest that Huckabee wouldn't run because of his lucrative TV presence. After fighting Ken Starr and impeachment, Bill Clinton left office broke - now look where they are! Of course, Huckabee would need to actually WIN the presidency before his speaking career could take off...
I'll vote for anyone who has what it takes to send OBOBO packin...
Amen
Exactly. It's all about Obama hate, not what is best for the country.
Sad.
Dislike the man's politics but your sickening use of his vulgarized name is revolting. I simply refer to your type as poor Americans. You have no respect for the Presidency. No respect for our electoral process. NO RESPECT FOR THIS COUNTRY! It is why we fight against such thinking on a daily basis.
That is not a partisan statement. I have said the same thing to those who referred to Bush as a "chimp" and a "dictator. In no way does this nonsense deepen the debate.
It is becoming clear that the Right wants to keep things shallow. It was effective in '10 with libelous words like "death panels". You have learned that fear, slander and hate are effective weapons. You even revive this LAUGHABLE "birther" nonsense that no court will even consider. It shows nothing but your desparation. That to the detriment of this country.
My mother always told me that an ignorant person is always insulting, and reverts to the use of expletives because their small minds cannot think quick enough to form thoughts of reasoning. So, clotho and Rex--don't try to reason with fools. All I can say is, put your money where your mouth is. You see what it got you on Friday, right?
OMG. if this is what the Republicans or Tea Party has to offer. They are in deep poop. I love it, they are parading the stupid, the bad hair and the religious fanatics. Oh, and lets not forget the moron quitter Palin, she is attaching herself to Trump, she needs someone to hang on, as she is down and OUT.
I can accept bad hair and religious fanatics. It's the current incompetent spender and thief with close ties with terrorists we can do without.
Yo, Vote: Bush is no longer in office. Where've you been, in a coma?
The Donald could never be POTUS. He'd have to give up all his stock holdings, and promise he never practice insider trading ever again. It' ain't gonna happen.
Ha...American Girl...if we were at HuffPo I'd have to fan you for your great humor!
Thanks...this can be a humorless place at times.
(and you didn't even have to insult anyone!!!)
The best thing going for America at the moment is that the Repugs can't find a viable candidate. What a bunch of LOSERS!! Unbelievable. Stupid, shallow, lying BS artists. Even Romney is running away from his sucesses to pander to the kooks!! I love it!!
Maybe we will be able to continue the sucesses of Obama's first two years and get back to the growing, vibrant economy we had in the 90's!!
The worst thing going for America is that these crazed hordes will select a candidate and that candidate will receive the votes of all of Obama's detractors. All they need is a few more points that could be supplied by deluded independents
Nothing would be worse for America than a Repub/TP President. GW was one thing this is whole different sort of conservative animal. They have cast aside the pretense of compassionate conservatism for a far more brutal method that de-emphasizes the role of the middle and underclasses as contributors to our society.
Here's another talking point for the right that just might fly and get something elected in 2012. Odumbo wore blue socks on Tuesday. How unpatri durn otic is that? Impeach!, impeach!, impeach!. C'mon Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Baker. That thar topic is something to base your entire sermons on next Sunday.
constitutional integrity is no trivial matter
deep in your hearts you know barry isn't eligible
even IF he was born in hawaii, since his father (british/kenyan) wasn't an american citizen, he is not and never was a 'natural born citizen' as the constitution requires
"if his dad's a brit, he's not legit"
so all you neo-comm traitors to our constitution repeat after me: "if his dad's a brit, he's not legit"
Why is it that the "teabaggers" talk SOOOO much about the Constitution, and then they post a comment..and you realize that they are totally ignorant of what the document actually says? Frightening! tkevin: head to your nearest community college and take a class on Civics. Maybe you will learn something!
Nobama
@tkevin - do you even know what constitutes natural born citizenship? And it's not in the constitution. It's US Code. Obama's mother was a citizen of the United States under the law. Therefore, it (a) doesn't matter where his father may or may not have been from and (b) he could have been born on Mars and it wouldn't have mattered - literally. He had one US citizen for a parent. End of story. End of discussion. Just Google "US Citizenship" and do a teensy bit of reading - okay?
typical neo-comm response...dodge the issue and invoke a lame attempt at comedy
i don't need a civics lesson by someone constitutionally-challenged
well all know that the constitution requires a true potus to be a 'natural born citizen', anything less is a usurper
get over it...barry is not and will never be a legitimate potus
ps obama's mother was too young to confer citizenship, so brush up yourselves
Like I said: why is it that the "teabaggers" insist on opening mouth and inserting foot. Now, tkevin, do take a class on the Constitution. You are clueless.
like i said:
typical neo-comm response...dodge the issue and invoke a lame attempt at comedy
newdayDawning
These folks are unbelievable. Above I posted proof positive and they still ignore the truth. All they can do is call us names. They call us unpatriotic but have no idea about what the Constitution says. They say they don't need civics lessons. I beg to differ. Maybe that way they could enter the debate from a point of knowledge instead of blatant ignorance.
tkevin
Go to #6.5 above and get your answer. Scheese. I added reference to it. You do know how to look something up don't you?
Dennis: the worst part is that it doesn't matter what proof is offered, the "teabaggers" will disbelieve anything that does not fit into the dark world they inhabit! Sad.
Who is barry?
So the Tin Foil hatters have spoken, good luck with that!
This is scary-funny. It doesn't change my low opinion of Republicans, however, and it shouldn't surprise me that a reality show personality who doesn't care about anyone but himself would be their first choice. I say bring on The Donald! My beloved President Obama will be elected to another 4-year term and it turns out for the best for all of us...even if half of us don't know it!
Here comes The Donald!
huh? while our government hovered on "shutting down," Trump talked about what a great country he'd run. Was he saying exactly how he'd do that? NO, he was bitchin' and moanin' about Obama's birth certificate!
I don't know why Republicans, who claim to be the party of fiscal sanity, would approve of a guy who has welched on numerous contracts and agreements, is a serial bankruptcy artist and has a crappy reality Tv show...his daughter is pretty though which will win some votes with the hard up on the right...
How many times has Trump gone broke? And he believes that pathetic birther junk too. How low is the GOP going to stoop?
It doesn't matter if he has no money. He is speaking the populace message about jobs, China, the debt, illegal aliens, foreign aid, wars Obama refuses to end, etc. It is resonating. That's why the libs are scare.
QUOTE: "It doesn't matter if he has no money. He is speaking the populace message about jobs"
Actually most of us hope that there's a relationship between jobs and money. In fact, that's why many people are looking for jobs. Why are you looking for jobs, Jobseeker? The Tea Party intellect strikes again....
If Trump gets elected, it’s not because he has lots of money or broke as you put it. It will mainly be a no-confidence vote for Obama which was the same reason Obama got elected in the first place after four years of Bush. Reagan got elected for the same reason. People were sick of Carter and were willing to give an over-the-hill actor a chance.
Siara,
"How low is the GOP going to stoop?"
Pretty low, with possible continued lowness in the immediate forecast.
Trump being a serious challenger is the symptom of a weak president. We saw it under Carter. The Americans were so desperate for real leadership, they elected an old actor who could not have gotten the nomination under normal times. And they booted out Carter, giving him only 6 states. That was when we had 7 fewer states.
Sorry to disappoint, Jobseeker, but his numbers hover around 50%. That's not great but it's also not bad.
Or maybe you, like Senator Kyl, don't expect us to take your words at face value. Kyle said 90% of what Planned Parenthood does is abortions. Are you saying that 90% of Americans dislike Obama?
We all liked Jimmy Carter, too. A really nice guy, but a weak leader during bad times. Kind of like what we have now. BTW, Gallup has 46% approval for Obama. All other polls show lower. The key is the independents who have abandoned him after disappointing on multiple promises like the Patriot Act, Gitmo, giant deficits, two ongoing wars with hints of staying in Iraq even longer, bombing Libya, extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich, corporate bailouts.
That is a nice dream you have there "JobSeeker" was it a wet one?
Not a dream. $4 gas, 9% unemployment, three wars, $4 trillion added to the debt, Patriot Act, Gitmo trials, Bush tax cuts. No president has ever been re-elected with unemployment over 7%.
No jobseeker it's a symptom of a very weak Republican party. The GOP/TP is only capable of winning on a statewide level. They don't have the ability to fool enough people to win in a nation wide vote. ESPECIALLY after all the damage the GOPTP Governors are doing at the moment. Sorry, the GOP/TP's time has come and gone.
It's really that simple.
We heard the same eulogy for the GOP after Watergate and Nixon. In came Carter to give new life to the GOP. We will thank Obama for providing the same service. Statewide? Hmmm, when a party wins a state, that normally translates to electoral votes in a national election, doesn’t it? All you have to do to calculate Obama’s chances of re-election is to look at his record. It is a total continuation of ALL of Bush’s record. Not hope and change as the independents were told.
JobSeeker
Normally I would agree with you but there is a brand new dynamic at work here. So many states are experiencing "buyers remorse" at the GOPTP governors they elected. I know here in Florida Rick Scott has done so much damage a republican couldn't get elected dog catcher here. So don't be so sure of the guarantee of electoral votes going to a republican candidate.
I find it interesting that our country has slipped into stasis. Trump for President? Capitalism works I suppose. His life ethics are hardly paradigmatic folks. I say nothing of his foreign brides, nor the age prerequisite he requires to wed, but let us take a look at who would best represent us. Gender politics 101. Ask "the Donald" his views on human issues. If he has an answer, I am wiling to listen. As of yet, his conspiracy theories are fireable.
Stasis? I slipped in grease once but anyway, I agree, The Donald.......declaring bankruptchy every time the national debt gets above 1 billion! hahahahahaha!!!! I can see he'll turn the US into a Monopoly Board and sell and trade properties to generate foreign tax revenue and cut domestic taxation. hahahahaha! Juts do something woth that vanity hair cut. Trump won't run, he is all mouth and no backbone. He believes too much in his own invincibility and the fake aura that surrounds him, he would NOT jepordize his inflatabble go for real work.
All of you good folks who are disparaging Mr Trump need to remember a cardinal rule of fighting: Never underestimate your opponent. Early on people underestimated Barak Obama and that's why Hillary Clinton is not president now.