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As the debate raged in Washington over a budget to keep the government from shutting down, the issue of abortion funding was consistently in the spotlight.
Ultimately, Democrats succeeded in retaining funding for women's health organizations that also provide abortions (like Planned Parenthood), but they were not able to eliminate a controversial 'rider' related to abortions in D.C.
A senior Democratic aide says that on Thursday night at the White House, President Barack Obama told House Speaker John Boehner that the White House would include the D.C. abortion language that was in a Republican House-passed one week extension bill. That provision bans the District of Columbia from using its own local tax money to pay for abortion services.
The aide says he witnessed the president say to Speaker Boehner in the Oval Office, "John, I will give you D.C. I'm not happy about it."
But when Boehner later asked for the elimination of funds for Title X -- spending for women's health and family planning organizations that also provide abortion services, the aide said the president flatly refused.
The president replied, "Nope. Zero."
Boehner continued to push to discuss the funds, the aide recalled.
The President repeated: "Nope. Zero."
"'John, this is it,'" the aide described the president as saying. "'This is it, John."
There was a long pause as no one spoke in the Oval Office spoke.
The Planned Parenthood issue was resolved that Thursday night.
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Some of the right-wingers had dreams of overturning the New Deal, after Republican Dwight Eisenhower was elected President.
(They were the Teabaggers of their time.) Eisenhower wouldn't go for it. In 1954, he said:
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate
labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history.
There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt
(you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or
businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
Read your history Mary, almost all of the New Deal was gone by the time Eisenhower became President. Most of it was overturned by the Supreme Court as Obamacare will be. The Republicans will never have to vote on it.
Ray you must have been home schooled then sent to Pat Robertsons Regent "University" afterwards. You are wrong on all points, as most trolls are. And it's not "Obamacare" he didnt write it, the House and Senate did, he just signed the bill.
Time for my afternoon run ray, go read a Non-Texas Board Of Education school book and look at exactly what the happened in real history over the past 100 years.
come on Dark Seducer, you have to admit that presidents like things named after them... Obama is still in office and has (according to many) put out the greatest piece of legislation ever - and it is already named after him.
I bet anything Obama loves it that many refer to it as Obamacare.
0bamacare will be ruled unconstitutional in 2012 by SCOTUS - right in the middle of the election cycle.
In this time, when the Tea Party extremists are making "lists" of their enemies, the words of Friedrich Gustav Martin Niemöller come to mind.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
Do not remain silent as they systematically target all who do not fit their very rigid view of what it means to be an American
When I sought Liberty and the Liberals proposed Tyranny....where was I to turn? Go right young man, go right.
But what did the ultra-rich give up. You know. The people who earned over $2B/year in 2010. The wall street oil & gold speculators who drive the prices of oil up and profit from you paying $4/gallon and even more when you'll pay $5/gallon during the coming summer. I don't know about you, but i don't think they gave up hardly anything. But it's a good thing that the gop, birther, & tea party requests for a 33% reduction in income taxes for the people making over $2B/year wasn't approved either. Still in the end, if you were to count up the gains and losses, you'll find that the ultra-rich gave up very little in the greatest spending cuts in our history. But who gained the most from the hundred of billions in tarp. I tell you it was the ultra-rich. The gop, birthers, & tea party represents greed & hoarding - the creed of gordon gekko.
What happened when Bush faced $4 a gallon gas? He opened a lot of new drilling and prices came down within 4 months with oil going from over $100 a barrel to $40 a barrel. Over course Democrats want higher taxes but they have given out so many new deductions, shelters, and tax waivers that none of those corporations such a GE are paying any taxes. Yes, Paul Ryans budget plan lowers the top tax rate to under 25% but it also does away with most of those deductions. I would rather have 23% of billions than 35% of nothing. It is not about who pays the highest rate. It is about what brings in the most taxes while growing the economy. Just look at the green energy program and Obamacare. Billions of dollars in tax deductions given away.
So Ray begins his post by waxing poetic about the Bush years? You really started that post with a whimper Ray.
So I guess your point Ed is the same as Obama's. Instead of going after our own oil reserves, it is all Americans fault for not driving small more fuel economic vehicles. Why not do what Bush did. It worked.
There are only 435 billionaire's in the United States. I am not to concerned what less than 500 people gave up. I am more concerned with the fact that 50% of the people don't pay any Federal Income Tax.
ray once again proves that he is a low information voter by having no understanding of what truly affects oil prices.
black belt once had mentor tell him that he is missing the forest by only looking at the trees. black belt then told his mentor "screw the trees, I am concerned about that ant on the branch!!!"
The president should just tell the Republican pukes that he will veto anything with these ridiculous riders attached. Anything, ever. And abortions should be reserved for use only to rid society of teabagger spawn!
Well, John it seems like liberal are the ones using abortion and they want taxpayers to pay for it.
Ray, not quite sure how taxpayers are paying for abortions? Care to elucidate?
See below, if you are getting money for the clinic and the facility also does abortions, you are underwriting part of the overhead. If you look at the documentation, most of the services done at PP are abortions.
ray prefers to eat soup with a fork because a right wing blog told him so.
Ed, guess we on the right should stop watching Fox and watch one of those cable news channels that no one else is watching because they have the "real" truth that you can't get on Fox. Answer me then if the left is so smart and has all this truth, how come no one is watching it. Maybe it doesn't make any sense to anyone but the under ecucated progressives in this country.
Maybe it just "seems" that way to you because the Radical Right only has ONE "faux" information source and there are dozens and dozens of progressive alternate NEWS sources out there. Ever hear of the term "ignorance of the masses" ? Well Faux Noise is the prime rightwing IGNORAMUS MAGNET. And WHO is "under ecucated" ??? LMAO.
Facts are.... LIBERALS are more educated than Conservatives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. With all the dumbass rightwingers rewriting history and homeschooling their kids.... Republicans/Conservatives will soon become the most ignorant and uneducated demographic ever.
So to summarize, the liberals are the party of the rich??? how interesting. don't bother responding, your point is perfectly clear for all to see.
and furthrmore.....the ignorant conservatives will listen to you in 2011 because you used a 2004 study?? Wow....this is just way too easy folks....If I were a liberal, I wouldn't tell a soul.
I recently called my local planned Parenthood for info on prices for Pap smear and other non-abortion related issues. Because my insurance sucks I thought I could get these services and save some money. Because my income is on the low side of the high range, I can't afford them right now either. That being said, I will get my stuff taken care of a little later. But to think that a woman in a lower income range would put her life & health at risk because the funding was taken away chills me to the bone. I am a staunch republican and even I know that there are no federal funds to be used for abortion services. This sounds like a case of cutting off one's nose to spite your face.
Barbara, Planned Parenthood does not do PAP smears or Mamograms. They only recommend places to get them. A survey group called over 50 PP locations last month and none of them said they did them. According to public filings and Abby Johnson, former head of PP in Texas, over 80% of procedures at Planned Parenthood are abortion related. Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of elective abortion services in the US. Do not kid yourself about who they are. Any tax dollars given to them underwrites the overhead for their main goal which is to provider abortions.
I made the mistake of wasting my time, reading your bullsh!t this afternoon Ray!
Having said that - this one's for you:
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt."
Direct from the Planned Parenthood website:
You do know the meaning of the word PROVIDE dontcha? lol
As usual Feisty, ignor the facts and call name. I now what liberals say. But no breast exams are done at Planned Parenthood. The survery proved that when Planned Parenthood told them that. In Abby Johnson's book, PP takes credit for federal documentation for every woman they refer for a Mamogram at another location. That is how they meet the federal requirement. They do no testing at any location. You to ask Planned Parenthood as Google didn't, whether any of these procedures are done on site.
*bangs head off desk*
YES Ray - I understand, because YOU said it - it HAS to be TRUE! LMAO
Thanks but no thanks - you're credibility leaves MUCH to be desired!
You really should of quit when you were *ahem* 'ahead'! ;o)
Is this the Abby Johnson you're referring to?
The disgtuntled ex-employee? lol
Not just an ex employee, Abby was one of the head officials of Planned Parenthood in Texas for multiple years. Planned Parenthood has not denied what she has said. They just engage in character assassination. They said she had mental problems. I guess most liberals think becoming a christian is a mental problem. Most of what she says in her book, Unplanned, has been documented. She states that over 80% of all Planned Parenthood procedures are abortion related.
You are a real Tea Partier, you are convinced that if you repeat the same bogus mantra over and over again it will become a fact. No matter what procedure PP does the most, the truth is that they DO NOT use funds from the government for abortions, and all your statistics, taken probably from Beck and Hannity and the other scumbags at Fox, don't stand the light of day.
They provide abortions, clean and legal, without tax payers money, but you prefer to believe that we should go back to back room abortions with a coat hanger. Now that's real christian charity.
Here's my suggestion to YOU Ray - take your thumbs out of your ass and stick them back in you ears, my friend!
Ray, I don't know what state you're in, but in mine they do Pap smears and they have an association with the local labs to do mammograms.
Ray.... Becoming a Christian IS a mental illness. Rational, intelligent adults who have their wits about them don't believe in imaginary friends and fairytales . Schizophrenics and paranoid psychotics do however.
As long as they leave the riders and women's healthcare out of economic issues...say what gives all those old farts the right to decide what a woman should do anyway?
Bongoman, you're right on. The old white farts, which I'm one, want to stick their nose into women's issues. When my demoghraphic dies off, we'll be a much better sociery. I'm ashamed to be off this generation.
No one is stopping anyone from getting abortions. Those old farts as you call them don't want to pay for it. If you libs want abortions, fine. But don't ask everyone else to pay for them. Liberals jump up and down demanding their rights but want everyone else to pay for them. If you want public funding then put a line on the tax form where libs can donate part of their return to abortions. Then you libs can pay for them yourselves.
Ray was once given a Rorschach test and swore that it was a picture of a baby in a uterus that was about to be aborted and BTW it was in the uterus of a progressive. Ray really needs counseling.
What gives Obama the right?
doug, I think your imaginary friend is the only person that has any idea what your talking about. Keep posting like that and your imaginary friend will be saying, "Doug WTF?"
Ray, in our large society, people's taxpayer dollars are constantly used for things that some of us object to. For example, some people are vehemently opposed to war. Yet, their tax dollars go towards funding wars of choice. We can't micro manage line items in an appropriations budget. As a taxpayer, I welcome my tax dollars funding Planned Parenhood. The services they provide, including abortion, save us all money in the long run and help save lives of low income women. Abortion is legal. Let's move on from this debate.
Do I understand this correctly?
Obama was willing to deny those brave young men and women who serve in our military a paycheck so that the rest of us can pay for killing babies?
Oh yeah.......he is sooooooo going to be re-elected. /sarcasm.....in case it eluded you.
Obama was willing to stand up to Republicans that want to deny health services to over 3 million women in order pander to their base. Obama is soooooooooooooo going to be re-elected. No sarcasm here.
BTW doug, don't open your post with a lame ass question like, "Do I understand this correctly?". You upon yourself to a response like, "No dumb__it, you don't understand!!! just sayin.
But I do understand Ed. It's drones such as yourself who have no life but anonymous postings on a liberal rant board that don't understand.
Do the math Ed. Have a little understanding of WTF you are babbling on and on about. If Planned Parenthood want to abort children that is their right under law. If they want to screen "women's health" then they can do it. It is not our responsibility to support them. It's called "responsibilty".
Yes Doug - 0blamer was willing to not pay servicemen to keep funding Planned Parenthood - even tho the Hyde amendment has made it illegal for the Federal Govt to pay for abortion.
doug, most independents would say that your assertions are crap. It is independents that will decide elections and as long as you and your conservative counterparts spout your nonsense, then there will be more votes for Democratic candidates. just sayin.
Uh, mr. belt3, sir, the government hasn't paid for abortions for about, what, 3 and half decades, now.
IOW, the Republicans were the ones willing to cut off service members, to joust at a windmill that hasn't been around in over a generation.
Now, do try to keep up with the history of your nation, won't you? It may help prevent you from making yourself look like an idiot in the future.
this sounds like doug, black belt and ray:
Low Information Voter
6 thumbs up
buy low information voter mugs, tshirts and magnets
One who votes based on information gleaned from other low information voters, rumors, viral emails, and FOX "News".
Low Information Voters are skewing the electorate in favor of the corporatocracy because they don't have the curiousity or ability to research facts for themselves. Low Information Voters will vote against labor unions, in spite of the fact that the labor unions are responsible for getting them the 40 hour work week, decent wages, employer provided health insurance, vacations, lunch hours, and breaks, among other things.
Ed, just where do you get those Progressive campaign favors? By the way, I am capable of getting all those labor benefits without unions. Since 98% of the people making over $100,000 a year do not belong to a union, how did they manage that without a union?
Ed
After pondering several of your uninformed and nonsensical post i have decided you have nary a clue as to what you are talking about.
But, please, if it makes you feel better about yourself.....babble on.
Independents decided last election that cutting crap like "planned parenthood" is what we want our reps working on.
Nice SPIN JOB Doug. Seems it's the ONLY thing besides out and out LYING that Repugs are especially adept at.
Smc
How is that spin and what "lie" have I told?
Please, enlighten me with your wisdom as to the lie you have found.
Or do you agree with silly ED? He is hilarious with his "low information voter" theory and then he goes on to babble about unions. When in fact the whole conversation over unions has not been about unions per se; but in fact have concerned the public sector unions.
And you do know what the hero of the liberals, FDR, had to say about public union collective bargaining. Or do you?
What "health services" would have they been denied, ED? Have you actually done any research into this matter? Some numbers JUST FOR YOU.
2009. PP performed 320,000 baby killings at an average of 400.00 /"pop". Total for baby killing netted them 128 million dollars. Taxpayer funding was 300 million. So, cut 128 million (or all) of tax payer funding and what are you left with? People having to pay more (responsibilty) to abort their "mistake". Or maybe they will actualyl have to raise the cost of killing babies. Either way, your claims of "women's health" are nonsense.
Another fun fact for you concerning PP. They performed 62x more abortions than adoption placement.
Doug, you do understand that a fetus is not a baby, don't you? Four hundred dollars might not sound like a lot of money to you and me, but for some women, it may as well be a million. From a taxpayer's position, it's really a cost savings procedure.
Based upon doug's posts, he has the personality type that is highly likely to end up in a cult. Easily dismisses factual information. Highly susceptible to rhetoric without careful analysis. It is alsl highly likely that doug is in a "creative" career because his math sucks big time.
Doug is in one of two camps. The one that knows it is lying to manipulate the low information voter. Or the other camp which includes all of the low information voters. It appears Doug is the latter camp.
Ed, a survey by Gallup in 2008 said conservative voters were more educated, more informed on the issues, and had higher incomes than the left. But I guess that doesn't matter because it doesn't agree with your agenda.
Ed, you could accuse Doug of dismissing any factual information if you had presented any. Name calling does not count as anything factual.
97% Of Planed Priesthood's budget is not in any way related to abortion, which itself is mostly misconstrued and misunderstood.
97% is for......?
Right.
Fetuses inside a human woman grow up to be ostriches. They are definitely not killing anything that may look like you one day.
Sheesh.....we're overpopulated with people such as ED.
Hey ED,
I run a cult. That's how I know the world could use a few less like you.
Doug, as long as they don't think like you maybe there's hope. Were are overpopulated with no nothing voters and religious zealots. This is the problem with our society. People are more concerned about a woman terminating a pregancy that all our economic woes. Woud you please tell me why I should be concerned if the young girl down the street has an abortion? It's really none of by business or yours, either.
Funny Ray.. the Pew Research Center says the EXACT OPPOSITE. Liberals are more educated and more affluent than conservatives AND that LIBERALISM is the DOMINANT political ideology in academia w/ over 72% of all full time faculty identifying themselves as LIBERAL.
And that, right there, explains why we are unable to compete in a global society, our children can't count change, do math, or balance a checkbook. They fail or have no interest in science. All new technology - (including green energy), is being invented, designed, and developed by countries outside of the U.S.
Republicans may continue to obsess on "supply side economics" until there is no money left in society. That is their religion. They keep trying to turn capitalism on its head and Ronald Reagan couldn't care less.
How much money would an investor need to invest in something unprofitable? What would posses them to hire people for no reason to do something not needed? Hiring is completely conditional and the purpose is to profit. Investors are investing where the profits and return on investment is the greatest - capitalism 101. The hottest markets with the least overhead and investment are China and India and several other hot spots. The American economy is hum-drum and weak. It is cheaper to ship to America from elsewhere and focus on the best returns. China is not displacing us, it is rushing to catch up and join us. For investors, China is the new world.
Then there is the simple working of capitalism. To make products requires materials, plants, labor, production, and distribution to consumer markets. The money does not trickle down, it is a purposeful investment from the top, for the top, and of the top. What goes down must come up with a profit. The top is a sponge and only puts money where there is the biggest profit potential. The wealth at the top could be doubled, but there would just be that much more investment where the highest returns are. There has to be stability and consumption for a business to invest in labor. When consumption is lower and unsteady, the circle is broken. Investors read the signs and tip toe back, but the last thing they do is hire labor. Right now we have an oversupply, but the situation is improving. How fast that will happen is anybody's guess.
Republican economics are draining consumption and slowing investment, but investors that are experiencing a golden age are being given more and more free money. Do you think wealth will get too top heavy and spring a leak? Ask a Republican Congress member. They may say yes or just believe and believe and stuff and stuff.
At the bottom consumption is for survival, educations is hope, health care is life, nutrition is health and they are on their own. Odds are that will result in ignorance, destitution, disease, unconscionable death, and a shrinking middle-class trickling down. There is not just no need for it to happen, no reason based on economy or capitalism, and injustice to society, religion, and values.
I hope I am wrong, but I'm certain this will not work and improvement would come by stopping it or in spite of it. Spending during recovery is better than not. Sudden cutting will cause deterioration right now. The timing is terrible. The problem needs to be solved as soon as possible, but that is economics and Congress is all about politics at this time.
oh yeah spending your way to prosperity works every time....right....delusional.
Wow... and to think the Rethuglicons have never heard the phrase " It takes money to make money".
use your own money leech.
joe, it must take a lot of energy to be so hateful. I am so sorry that you don't have any other outlet for your energies than to call people names, denigrate and demonize them and ignore well-established facts to live in a fantasy world. I honestly have rarely seen someone "say things" that are as hateful as your comments. The more you illuminate your hatred the more sorry I am for you and all who lie within your real-life purview. Where is your compassion? Does it only apply to those who agree with and look like you?
I am in Independent voter who looks at a candidate's position on issues well before I look at their political party affiliation. I am a compassionate person who believes that all people deserve to strive for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You seem to have detoured from your path to happiness.
The American economy never did so well as it did after
President Clinton raised the top marginal income tax rate
for those making more that $250,000/yr. from 33% to 39%. It
even produced record budget surpluses.
Mary, the economy did nothing after Clinton raised the tax rate, why do you think the Republican took over congress in 1994. Gingrich and the GOP made a major cut in the capital gains tax in the Contract with America which helped free money for investment. Tax income made no major increase until 2005. The largest total tax receipts in history were in 2006 and 2007 after the Bush tax cuts. Won't do any good to raise those taxes. Obama and the Dems have given out so many new deductions, shelters and tax waivers, GE still won't be paying any taxes on $15 billion in profits.
Gingrich did many things he should not have done. One more or less doesn't matter. Gingrich was elected to take over government? That is so big a problem with tin-horn Republicans. They are elected to serve, they take it as a mandate to rule. Find that in your Constitution. It is typical of fascist totalitarianism or communist revolution.
nice lie...check the charts...the economy didn't start growing under clinton until the GOP took over congress...and especially after they cut the capital gains tax...
If taxes aren't being used for abortion, why did the Democrats remove the clause requiring no tax money to be used for abortion removed from the 2009 appropriation? If it doesn't support abortion it wouldn't matter would it. Actions speak louder than words.
Perhaps because it is redundant to the law against doing it in the first place and in every women's health care grant conditions, with audit and law enforcement reinforcement and criminal as well as obvious penalties. Every such grant has been that way since 1976 and the law has been amended to rule out any options.
You should know that. Now you are deciding out of ignorance.
joe, how much _are— you getting paid to post Tea Party Talking Points here? I've seen jobs like that posted on various freelance sites, and I was just curious.
The surest way to be wrong is to think you are right. It lacks evidence and facts, and is a guess. Ignorance is a springboard into the dark.
Joe is an IPOD message, not a rational form of life.
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LOL looks like I am living rent-free in some very small minds...
I have been reading & scanning all these posts.....& guest what?I AM SO GLAD IAM NOT A REPUKE,LYING,HATING,GREEDY,IGNORANT TEA-BAGGING,CONSERV-AH-NOTHIN,FIX-NOISE ZOMBIE!......Thank god!....go back yourselves and see these uninform,misinform,uneducated,low-info. rants and diatribe.....thank goodness we have an highly educated,President that will be reelected by more of a wider margin of the electorate than he had in 2008.....Then we will elect the first FEMALE EDUCATED{not sarah palin.or michelle bachman or "witch" o'donnel i'll tell you that right now brother} women to the Presidentcy(CLINTON)...all these iggys need to VANISH!...BUT QUICK....tea-baggers-tea-party....PLEEESE!....the dumbest dumb-down bunch of iggys on the face of this earth!....that's a fact!..jack
yeah you're just a typical brain-dead racist democratic piece of trash.
proving that democrats are easily led and uneducated.
no doubt you have a FINAL SOLUTION in mind for those you hate so...you brownshirted fascist thug.
Way to go Boehner. Push the most pressing need of the nation and get Demo's spending spree to end.
Tea-Bag-not, The Tea party would not have a hateful person like you anywhere near them. Lets spew hate and then call the other party haters. What nonsense. Thank goodness there are enough of us moderates and Independents to over ride the Hate mongers.
Repeal Obama and that mess of a health care bill.
ay caradjt...you must be dreaming brother...This President will carry more independents and moderates on his ticket FOR THE PRESIDENTCY In 2012..than any other President in U.S. history!...JUST LIKE HE DID IN 2008....BUT MORE!!.....PLEASE PINCH YOURSELF!
lets see obama's campaign slogan will be: High gas prices and unemployment for all!!!
You know what all of you tea-bag-repuke-conserv-ah-nothins cant stand?...IS THE TRUTH: That a black man took the presidentcy from a white man AND THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICE IN THE WORLD!...And he has white blood going thru his veins on top of it(SO BE PROUD) AND PLEASE GET OVER IT!..DON'T HATE...And that the minority population..I.E. blacks,browns,asian..ETC. Are taking over this country....AND NO TAKING THIS COUNTRY BACK!!...SORRY! that will never happen again....so live with the truth....IN YOUR FACE FACTS!....POWER TO THE PEOPLE!....POWER TO THE UNIONS!...POWER TO THE RIGHT TO BARGAIN!........POWER TO THIS PRESIDENT!........LONG LIVE THE COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.....AND YES HE IS YOUR PRESIDENT TOO!....TO BAD!...AND FINALLY POWER TO FREEDOM!...see go outside your door....see...FREEDOM!...You did not lose it under this PRESIDENT!.....so these are the real facts...of all this hate coming out of these tea-bag groups...they cant live with...CHANGE!.....THIS COUNTRY HAS CHANGE AND FOR THE BETTER.......THE AMERICAN HISPANIC POPULATION IS BOOMING ALSO..AND FOR THE DEMS. SIDE MAY I SAY......so pleese stop hating and get with it...or MOVE OUT THE WAY...PROGRESS IS COMING THROUGH,MAKE ROOM FOR PROGRESS!.......OLD WAYS DIE!..NEW WAYS ARE BORN....THATS ALL IN A NUTSHELL....PURE 100%...FACT!.......PROGRESSIVENESS!!..FROM ONE PROUD U.S. VETERAN
progressivism is racist as hell...thats why you love it so...
Independent here and I will not be voting for Obama. Wrong again "tea"
The moderates and Independents gave the GOP a landslide in 2010 for the simple reason Obama is a failure. We will finish the landslide in 2012. The people will speak again.
"TEA" just keep drinking that blue koolaid. It has helped, cough cough, this country so much already.
Independents for the repeal of Obama and the health care mess
Let's see, who started two Trillion dollar wars with no way to pay for them? Oh yeah, the same people who are now yelling about the deficit they helped create. Â What a bunch of teenagers! Â They want to do what they want when they want and don't bother them about responsibility they don't want to hear it. Â Get in their way and they'll hate you.
you mean like Obama and his WAR FOR OIL in libya??
Great idea, lets keep spending out of control. Some people just do not get it. Great job Boehner getting both parties to agree that it is time to be fiscal responsible. The repubs are in line again to make another landslide victory for their party.
By the way the Demo congress agreed to both wars and signed off on the spending. Just close your eyes and spew your misinformation "sys". It scares me that people like you are actually allowed to vote. It is blue therefore it is good. That is the exact problem with our system. The blind following the blind. The same is true for the repubs and there red followers. If we all voted for the person, not the color of flag they waved we would all be in a better place now.
Independents for the repeal of Obama and his nasty health care mess.....................................
I think even I would vote to invade Iraq if Colin Powell offered his personal testimony before the UN Security Council regarding Iraq's WMD's. Oh but wait, he did that didn't he? And then he got the hell out of the Bush Administration and supported Obama in the 2008 Presidential election.
Caradjt,
Like many Americans most in the 110th and 111th Congress voted to go into these two wars like many of the brave men and women who were sold the bs lie and deceptions and well what do know, we drank the kool-aid, didn't you?
Do not care for koolaid, only the character of the politician.
Tea-party tea-baggers are a dying concept....(birchers anyone?)...who is going after the tan-man?...dems?..ah the dying tea-party are..that's who!..tweet,tweet,....by the way TEA-PARTY's IS FOR LITTLE GIRLS WITH STUFF ANIMALS WITH IMAGINARY FRIENDS.....hahahahahahahoeheh
All the libs saying how horrific a 1% budget cut is, it's like a person cutting their household budget $1 a day.
I have an idea, if you don't pay federal income tax, you don't get to vote in federal elections.
Seem fair to me!
I agree, and will take it one step further. You get welfare no vote, instead you get drug tested to see if you can stay living on my tax dollar. The amount of people sucking the system dry is unbelievable. Why do you get to have 6 kids by 6 different men and I have to pay for it???????????? Let alone setting those 6 kids up as the next generations of welfare??????????????? Oh poor me syndrome has to stop. Take responsibility for your own actions. The same hold true for the rich. Why do I have to pay taxes if you do not. Just because you can buy off the politicians you get the loopholes?????????????????? Truth in taxation. Minimum tax for all, no loopholes or exceptions Obama.
Independents for the repeal of Obama and the nasty health care mess.
Why not adopt one of the original proposals debated when the guys with white wigs were writing the Constitution: In order to qualify to vote, one must be of the Caucasian race, male, and be a property owner.
That should settle things don't you think? (At least Ms. BAchman(sp) and Ms. Palin would be sent back home to the kitchen and children.)
One of the original drafts of the Constitution contained language that only Caucasian property owing males would be qualified to vote. There might be some push back on that if you wanted to resurrect that idea today.
and all old -tea-baggers make me laugh!!..especially when they say:keep your government hands off my medicare!....huh?..{like scooby-doo says:huh?!!}....old-farts are SOooooo gullible to the good-ol'boy's(gop)..hay! hay you!..hay you lib. democrat!!..get your gov. hands off my medicare!!....hahhaha...I DIDN'T KNOW REP PAUL RYAN WAS A DEM!.........I HOPE THE REPUBLICANS GET RID OF YOUR SOCIAL-SECURITY,MEDICARE,AND ALL ENTITLEMENTS....THEN WE'LL SEE WHO YOU OLD-FARTS WILL BE CRAWLIN BACK TOO.......
realsickofit,
1 percent is something, considering we can't get the 15 percent by simply cutting defense funding (shutting down some overseas bases) or raising the tax levels back to say... 1990 or so until we can the debt under control again like Clinton did.
Shared sacrifice, means all Americans, but NO you don't want that you rather blame the middle and poor class while the corporations who you keep telling us has the highest taxes at 35% aren't paying that and the riches, which you are paying more in taxes than still shelter their money, so you can argue from the perspective of the Fox, but until you fight with your fellow Americans based on and using facts then you are sick of it....
Thank you and have a nice evening....!
Why don't we cut everything 10% or 20% across the board, I can stand it. That would have to include all the "free stuff" that Libs seem to like to use to buy votes with.
I agree equal cuts = equal pain for all to get this dept under control. Just like the equal tax cut extensions. Why do people feel that the rich have to pay more or less than the rest of us, is beyond me. Fair is fair. Equal is equal.
The rich do pay more, go look at the tax tables and deductions, and stop listening to the Democrat BS about tax breaks for the rich. Of course you would have to think a little and be able to count above 10. You could use one of the web pages that have free Turbo-Tax, you do seem to be able to use a PC.
"Real" that is my point. People believe the rich get away with all of the tax cut. It was distributed equally according to the current tax code. It was agreed to by both sides. I continue to see the demos complain about it. When they should be cornering their politician for voting for it.
@caradit .... who feels more financial hardship ? Someone who makes $10K a year that has to give up $1000 of their income or someone who makes $10,000,000 who has to give up $100000 of their income? If you can figure that out, you'll figure out why it doesn't hurt the rich to pay more but it DOES hurt the poor even when the "percentage" paid is the same. That is EXACTLY why we have tax brackets. The rich can AFFORD to pay more w/o any negative impact on their lifestyle, buying power, etc. They still have TONS of discretionary / disposable income to spend. When poor people are taxed at the same amount they have much LESS income, can SPEND less and thus BUY less. When poor people buy LESS, businesses lose money and workers lose jobs. It's not frigging rocket science.
@real sick of it ... after all the loopholes, deductions, deferred investments, etc the rich don't end up paying anywhere NEAR what they should because their AGI is drastically reduced. Also most of the "rich" don't have "earned" income. It's mostly investment income which is taxed at a rate lower than even I pay. Why should lower income workers pay the same or more for busting their asses while fat ass capitalists sit on theirs ?
Warren Buffett says he paid 17% in taxes for $$$ earned in 2009, now I don't know about you, but I paid 33%. BTW: he further says, he'd pay more when required to do so.
Yes, the rich does pay more all things being "equal.". $10 @ 10% = $1.00, where you $100,000 @ 10% = $10,000.00, so to answer you are both correct, but that is not the math.
Let's get real folks, change is not easy, but when we keep up these talking points we're no different than the people from countries we live too hate. The fact is, we are better educated and agree we want a better future for ourselves and our famous, yet we argue over ideology that should be based on the whole not the some.
There will be a day when we all tested for our survival, I vote to keep moving forward as one, understanding we have differences and understanding that my personal success is predicated on the work I put into everything I do today, and yes some of us will continue to prevail past others, but competition is good, but NOT at the sacrifice of our fellow Americans for the sheer belief that you or your party won.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Your religious beliefs are not mine vice versa - don't @!$%# in my backyard and I won't in yours, but if you are my neighbor If I can I will give you a hand, but not for life.
It's not that simple, run a $60,000 and a $300,000 income, married with 2 children, and you will see that the $300,000 income pays 49 time more taxes, with a 5 time more income, and that is after the "tax break" that the Demos complain about. Haven't tried it with a $30,000 income, but I suspect it will more times.
Use one of the free Turbo-Tax web pages, I did.
I am guessing at this point in time that liberals {aka Democrats} are asking themselves, is this guy the best we can do??? (yes I mean Obama). They are ready to go into a national electin when he can't run on platitudes but has to run on a record and any conservative, and I do mean ANY conservative can ask America, "are you better off than you were four years ago??" Unemployment, up 4 to 5 percent, inflation, up 1 to 2 percent, national debt, up more than another trillion dollars, budget? we didn't think it was important last year to pass one, but we will give in to this years. Are you kidding me?? Liberals are joking about conservative candidates? Any of them? Can you spell One term president for me?
Wow, is your knob stuck on auto-bull@!$%#, then, smatter?
Here's a hint for you: We are ALL better off than we were four years ago, because we have narrowly avoided "Great Depression II, the Sequel", a Republican production. Everything else pales in comparison to that, even all of your lying and simpleton nonsense.
Uh, is there a response in there somewhere, RVZ? You know, I mean an actual response with facts and all?
I'm not seeing one. It's not that I expect much from those with twin indentations on their chins, but at least you could try.
Uh, RVZ, the gay-baiting is your deal; just look at your post. I just pointed out one of the many deformities you have from your incessant, excessive TeaBagging, little troll.
Now, run along and find me one actual economist, hell even one actual citizen who isn't a TeaBagger, who thinks that the 1970's was anything at all like the Great Recession of 2008.
In any substantive way whatsoever.
And, try to rub the dents out of your chin, bagboy.
JC-- I'm a lib/dem Until you are informed properly than may be turn off the computer all you do is call people names and call them stupid. Maybe for the goood of the party zip it.
Tell you what, time, I've read some of your work here, and from what I can see, you ain't no liberal. And, you certainly don't speak for all "libs/dems", so get over yourself.
Then, if you manage to accomplish that, try re-reading this particular discussion for some context. You know, since it is the discussion in which you found it necessary to shoot your mouth off, and all, maybe you should familiarize yourself with it before doing so; clearly, you have not, or you would understand that content matters little when responding to TeaBaggers, since they are impervious to facts and reasoning. Of course, that should have been obvious to you from the post I responded to at the top of this thread. Did you even read that much?
Finally, whenever you feel the urge to trot out one of your little old spinster lectures, I suggest you "turn of the computer" and "zip it"; particularly if you can't control yourself enough to refrain from trying to puff up your importance by implying that you speak for "libs/dems" as a group. Which is the polite way of saying that you can take your self-righteousness, apply a "liberal" amount of astro-glide, and stuff it...
Ha ha, imagine I'm saying drivel like "Obama is a socialist". Title X funding was supported by Republicans like Alan Simpson and even Richard Nixon before the haters and criers became a dominant faction in the modern repug party.