Need proof?

Senator Rand Paul? He voted "NAY" last night.

Rep. Michelle Bachmann? She voted "NAY" last night.

Does anyone know what Sarah Palin thinks about the budget deal or has she not been provided with her opinion yet?

With comments like "weeper of the house" and "Boner" when are you going to realize that the remainder of your comments just espouse your disdain and frankly ignorance. If you had respect for your political opponents your words may merit an actual conversation. One can always count on your hyperbole for entertainment if nothing else.

Respect your President, Speaker, Senators, and even your ideological opponents.

Noid and Indy...

I try to keep up with events as much as possible but apparently I missed the memo - the only that states Sarah P is involved with the budget issue.

You guys are right up there with Chris Matthews -- you all seem to lack the ability to stop talking about her.

How did he get spit on? Obama was the one who wanted the job, Did you cry when Bush was always being attacked?

Not two minutes after the deal had been mand twitter was awash with threats to tea bag Boenher's primary. Eric Cantor is a cannibal, he and Ryan will ruin the party and Obama will waltz back in the Oval.

That is what makes Obama a leader. He does what is in the best interest of the people not one party over the other. I am sitting here now writing this listening to some republican congressman praising Ryan for his budget plan. His soul searching in "fixing" medicare...by giving vouchers to his friends in the insurance industries? Is anybody listenting to these people? Perhaps so, a quick poll on CNN showed that Americans trusted the democrats in dealing with this budget crisis. Perhaps it is because they don't want to send the middle class to its untimely death.

If Ryan is the best they have to offer I feel sorry for them. Even Brown (R-M) doesn't agree with his policies. By the way, that Clinton democrat Ryan keeps saying supports his plan has come out denying her support. Says it is too drastic. Another lie.

remember the original budget was so bad they could not get their own party to vote for it last year. They were hoping to pin 50% of it on the GOP. Oops

Rorschach - the hyprocryisy from the left surely should not surprise you. Hypocrites all. When reason or logic fail, they will ALWAYS resort to distraction, diversion, and name-calling. ALWAYS !!

He knows. He is picking his fights. After the Dems and Obama have let the GOP have center stage for 2 years, a big mistake, standing up now will be another mistake.

For 2 years all they have said is NO. For 2 years they have complained about unemployment. Since the House, all they have done is chase abortion and women's rights. All of their cuts are aimed at middle and lower income americans and corporate regulations. You have only heard Boehner and Cantor speak about jobs as the end results of their efforts. Does that sound like an affirmative job creation program to you?

Republicans are running scared now that the backlash is building against them. Maybe they wouldn't be so disagreeable if they didn't have such cowardly hearts.

Give it up Bob. You cry like a little girl. Go change your depends and leave the discussion to those who care about the country.

Folks...

Some of you folks who are just spewing the progressive talking points should probably do some research on PP. I have and found some interesting facts concerning Planned Parenthood. If any of you are interested, why not take a look:

www.abortionfacts.com

How many abortions does Planned Parenthood do?

The number increases each year as it converts more of its clinics to killing centers. In 1985 it had 51 chambers which killed 110,000. By 1994 it had 70 which killed 134,000. Every year, it refers to other facilities almost as many abortions as it does itself.

Some of you really think that somehow, PP has the ability and/or desire to separate the public funds from the other contributions. To that I say BS!

And since they get more than $393m of taxpayers money, I personally think that the money should be taken from them (PP) and then distributed to women's health clinics that do not perform abortions. Then PP would not have to masquerade their true intentions!

Just Saying...

iReneMisc: "Perhaps it is because they don't want to send the middle class to its untimely death." Exactly how much debt do you think the 'middle class' can support? Have you heard of austerity budgets? Do you even know what the macro economic conditions are that brought Greece to near collapse? Do you know what the financial condition of Portugal is? Are you even aware of the economic crisis in Ireland? ever heard of PIIGS?

How much debt to GDP is sustainable? How much has the U.S. budget deficit and national debt grown during this administration? Do you even know what the 3 unsustainable drivers area of the impending financial catastophe?

How long will you and your ilk avoid placing ANY responsibility on this president? Does he get a free pass for his entire term? and a 2nd heaven forbid? Or will the problems ALWAYS be someone else's fault? I'm sure your answer would be, "not my fault" "not our fault", "if only he/she/they would..." but never ever accepting ANY responsibility. Always the blame game - juist like little kids.

Ret: I think I know what MF stands for, but what about the rest of your nomenclature? I am retired Army and I can't figure your status.

Bob, (#1.18) you are so far out in right field I don’t think you can even see where home plate is anymore.

It’s the typical view of some people that as soon as an office changes hands NOTHING before that time matters. Saying that extending the tax credits for the rich was what grew the economy and all the efforts up to that point did nothing? Get real, things don’t turn on a dime it takes time to change a trend. The trend when Obama took office was a straight down plunge but people like you blame it all on him. Delusional at best, flat out lies at worst.

The economy didn’t suddenly change because of the tax cut extensions, and it didn’t suddenly change because the Republicans got a majority in the house. It was in the process of slowly coming back and we are starting to see the fruition of two years of hard work and a ton of money. Yes, we need to get a handle on the trend of spending, but not so suddenly that we cause another crash.

“Boehner handed Obama his butt”? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but my opinion is that you are very wrong. Two parties actually negotiated and tried to come up with a compromise. Nobody got everything they wanted, that’s what a compromise is! DUH!!

“Obama was graded left of an avowed socialist” Certainly not by anyone who actually knows what a socialist is. Anyone left of Mussolini is a socialist as far as some of you are concerned. Obama is more of a corporatist just like every other president we’ve had for the past 30 years.

liberals are bitter, bitter people. Spend and slander is their game. Unfortunately the rest of the country understands that Obama is a horrible leader! Have you ever heard a liberal debate with reason, or come up with a logical explanation for anything?

Miked is right about one thing – I am bitter. I’m bitter about 2 wars with no end in sight. An unprovoked attack on another country to settle a family score at a cost of a trillion tax dollars and lots of dead people. I’m bitter about 5 trillion added to the national debt from 2000 to 2008 and what it bought us is the worst recession in history. I’m bitter about the massive shift in wealth from the middle class to the super rich. I’m bitter about the 70 billion annually in tax cuts that the republicans insisted on for the top 2%. I’m bitter about their continued attack on the middle class and below with cuts to services that their rich buddies don’t need. I’m bitter about the republican governors who have continued Bush’s war on the middle class. I’m bitter about the “citizens united” ruling from a crooked supreme court with at least 2 justices owned by the Koch brothers. I’m bitter about how the republicans want to pay for their tax cuts for the rich with cuts to head start, EPA, planned parenthood etc. I could keep going for a while but better stop here. I’m sure this will be collapsed anyway.

Darn, Feisty...!

I'm about ready to stop responding to your comments!

Collapsed again!

And...

I agree with what President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid did!

I'm actually astonished that YOU are!

I'm NOT criticizing...

Believe me...

I'm with President Obama on this one.

michiganmentalmidget voter,

"Obama was graded left of an avowed socialist" Certainly not by anyone who actually knows what a socialist is.

Bernie Sanders is the junior Senator from Vermont and is a self-described socialist who praises European socialism and caucuses with the Dems. Senator Obama was graded more liberal than Sanders in 2007. BTW - Do you know better than Sanders if Sanders is a socialist? Pretty funny.

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"Boehner handed Obama his butt"? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but my opinion is that you are very wrong.

Might want to read Mixed comments #1.1 for Klein's liberal opinion, plenty more around unless you limit yourself to reading blogs. BTW - Conservative writers tend to agree with the libs...... Check out the score cards - issue by issue.......Boehner handed it to him..... won - big time.

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As far as the recovery / jobs - Nothing Obama tried worked the way he said it would. Obama said unemployment would not go above 8% if stimulus was passed. We gave him a trillion and we ended up worse than his worse case scenario if we had spent NOTHING! Unemployment at 10%! Then he touted the "Summer of Recovery". Of course he canned that crap by May. BTW - Did he ever tout "Winter of Recovery" ...what actually happened.

Business and economists had been talking about uncertainty. Sheez ...no one even had any idea what their taxes were going be! Incredible, out of control spending by a community organizer, war on energy, new regulations everywhere, taking over industries, voiding bankruptcy principles on and on and on .......someone literally left of a socialist gone wild with no check! The elections provided that check. The tax extensions gave business and investors of what their costs were......of course those are the things that helped the recovery. And don't come back with that blather about Obama prevented the Second Great Depression. That is as idiotic as sayin...actually much more idiotic than saying Bush prevented WW III.

Bottom line - Obama was a community organizer that studied at Columbia and Harvard. He learned what the liberal academia taught him, but he has never run anything but great campaigns - he became a junior senator and started campaigning again ........ what would anyone with any common sense expect except this.

BTW - another wiff

0-3 you're 'otta here.

Bob (#1.27) if we ever bowl together I’ll keep score because you do it badly.

Your statement that Obama was “graded left of an avowed socialist” was technically correct. But my point is that Obama is nothing like a socialist and anyone who is a socialist would not consider him one.

Kline said Boehner won the negotiation the democrats gave up more than liberals may have wanted them to. You can interpret that as “handed his butt”. However, the Republicans got none of their stupid policy statements either.

No, Obama did not say unemployment would not go above 8% if stimulus was passed. He said that it would go above 8% if we didn’t do a stimulus. I and many other people are convinced that if we hadn’t done anything it would have gotten much worse.

I know that from my standpoint as someone who works for a (non-union) company that makes parts for cars. I’m VERY confident that my job would have been gone if it weren’t for the money pumped into the car companies. Mine and 10’s of thousands of other peoples. Which would have had a ripple effect that would have made things much worse.

The tax extensions did not have an instantaneous effect, it takes time to change course of an economy the trend had already started and it was gathering some steam. If the tax cuts had had that effect in the first place we never would have been in this situation to start with.

People with your mindset think that giving people with money, more money, drives the economy. What really drives the economy is the other 95% of us feeling comfortable spending money. Things were slowly getting better, people were spending a little more money. THAT is what was driving the economy. Of course now that the price of gas is shooting thru the roof, it may come crashing down about our ears again.

There were no “wiffs” on my part. You are just too steeped in right wing and corporate politics to be able to think independently.

Darn-

Ezra Klein got collapsed in #1.1-

Not a word from me in that post.

lol

Feisty Redhead Roselle, IL #1,

"... he is indeed, the President ...."

It would be nice if he remembered that. He does not have the absolute power of a monarch.

He does not have the absolute power of a monarch.

Good Point Gordon!

We tried that little experiment for 8 years with 'W' - thanks so much for the reminder! ;o)

New Tea Party recruit President Barack Obama will give an address on the nation's debt crisis and offer his plan to address it on Thursday.

Welcome aboard, Mr. President!

It's about time, isn't it?

lol

I personally think that the money should be taken from them (PP) and then distributed to women's health clinics that do not perform abortions.

I don't want to give a dime to any organization that says that an eleven year old girl has to give birth to her own sibling.

I don't want to give a dime to any organization that says that a 14 year old whose been gang raped has to give birth 9 months later.

I don't want to give a dime to any organization that says that a baby must be born who will not be able to take a breath at birth, or who will live in agony the rest of its life.

I don't want to give a dime to an organization that says that a woman must allow an ill-conceived pregnancy rip through her fallopian tubes.

The spirit has lived forever already--it doesn't claim the body for its shell until the body breathes, and if there is no body, it goes to another.

Wait 'till next week, Bev...

Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Reid negotiated a deal that they knew their respective caucuses would largely support.

On Thursday, we're going to find out what Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats think.

Are you 100% sure that they're going to give a ringing endorsement to President Obama's ringing endorsement of spending cuts?

Forget about Boehner and the Tea Party, Bev.

That's now yesterday's news.

Listen to what House Democrats have to say on the deal starting Monday morning.

Glad to know that you're in President Obama's, Speaker Boehner's, and Harry Reid's corner, Bev.

Apparently...we're in rare agreement!

lol

Now, can we reach conclusions faster the next go round without all the posturing, huffing and puffing.

They all agreed in the last hour, it seems all we need is a clock to limit the time.

Mixed Bag

Wait 'till next week, Bev...

Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader Reid negotiated a deal that they knew their respective caucuses would largely support.

On Thursday, we're going to find out what Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats think.

Are you 100% sure that they're going to give a ringing endorsement to President Obama's ringing endorsement of spending cuts?

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Analysis: GOP won first budget round; future victories may be harder for GOP leader Boehner

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-spending-fights-analysis,0,6088528.story

The score is Boehner, for the American people, 1- Obama and the democrats, zero.

Next round2012 budget, coming up. Not to mention round 3, the debt ceiling.

$78 billion in cuts, and a forced vote on HCR in the senate. Reinstating vouchers for poor D.C. school children, forced vote on Planned Parenthood spending in the senate, and a host of other concessions from the democrats.

Looks like they underestimated Boehner.

how would vouchers for D.C. children result in a spending cut? Nothing works both ways! Or is it that the Republicans only want cuts on certain social issues with which they don't agree?

Hate to break it to you "no joe, no bo, nj" but the cuts were #38.5 billion not $78 billion.

Democrats complained bitterly about the first $10 billion in cuts, but eventually said they could not go above $33 billion. The final deal calls for $38.5 billion in cuts.

Candice, Bartlett, IL

If he wanted to support the other services Planned Parenthood provides, he should have used those as a focus of the discussion.

According to Reid, the U.S. House Republican efforts to defund the agency will not be considered by the U.S. Senate, presently controlled by the Democrats.

The federal government currently provides Planned Parenthood with $363 million annually, but by law, that money CANNOT be spent on abortion. It is spent on other types of health care services, such as cancer screenings, breast exams, and tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/

To prevent any entity that provides abortion services from receiving funds through Title X, which is meant to increase access to contraceptive services, supplies and information to women and men, especially among low-income Americans is a cruel diversion and a Koch Brothers stall tacit.

THE KOCH BROTHERS CLEARLY HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN BLOCKING REFORM.

David and Charles Koch are also responsible for a vicious attack campaign aimed directly at obstructing and killing progressive reform. Over the years, millions of dollars in Koch money has flowed to various right-wing think tanks, front groups, and publications. At the dawn of the Obama presidency

http://www.alternet.org/story/144455/meet_the_billionaire_brothers_funding_the_right-wing_hate_machine?page=entire

BTW: how is an abortion debate relevant to the House GOP's mandate to focus on Jobs, Jobs, Jobs? How many job creations have you seen from the GOP?

I don't think you can answer that question.

This can be easily solved since PP is supposed to be all about womens health and not about abortions then lets have a bill put together and passed that would disallow PP from providing any and all abortions. They may counsel women on it they may even point them to were they can have them they just cant perform them in their clinics.

The future will hold the left by the neck. The left have only seen the begining of its end. Just ask Sally as she wipes out the comments. She knows she has taken up a lost cause. So do the rest of you leftists. You just don't understand that you are insignificant.

Sorry to burst your bubble but the Weeper of the House delivered NOTHING. His crybaby teaparty d students where still throwing a tantrum while the Dems helped avoid a government shutdown and did the peoples business.The idealouges where still trying to advance thier far right agenda against NPR and Planned Parenthood. Didn't happen. Thank you Harry Ried and President Obama.

Sorry, Shamwoah, (cute name, by the way), I did not see you response until now.

The figure is &78 billion- $38.5 billion in spending cuts, and an additional $40 billion in cuts from what Obama proposed- funds that WOULD have been spent if that omnibus spending bill had been passed in the last congress. It died in the Senate, you might recall.

Now, I am ordinarily not in favor of calling things cuts if they are part of proposed spending, but in this case, I make an exception ONLY because it paves the way for cutting the proposed 2012 spending- all of which, at this juncture, is proposed.

By the way, Bev- Planned Parenthood funding WILL be up for vote in the Senate- it was one of the concessions, along with a vote on HCR, that Boehner gained from the agreement. Reid cannot renege, because to do so will weaken his hand further in the upcoming debates over 2012 and the debt ceiling.

Boehner got more than he originally asked for, and played this thing perfectly.

Jon Mavrick,

That is a simple and easy idea. I can personally agree with, but you and I both know that is to much to ask of our corrupt congress. But then again, why should taxpayers be supporting planned parenthood to begin with--with federal dollars. Just another "nanny" program to garner votes.

We should be going through each program and still cutting 10%. We should follow Clinton's lead and cut the size of the federal government employees--especially in the non-military areas.

$38 billion--heck with a swoop of the pen-I could have cut that much from foreign aid--considering that we are suppose to be giving $41 billion this year. These cuts are a waste of time, especially the arguing part of it, and do nothing to help our country get back to fiscal sanity.

no joe, no bo, nj

By the way, Bev- Planned Parenthood funding WILL be up for vote in the Senate- it was one of the concessions, along with a vote on HCR, that Boehner gained from the agreement. Reid cannot renege, because to do so will weaken his hand further in the upcoming debates over 2012 and the debt ceiling.

Boehner got more than he originally asked for, and played this thing perfectly.

Are you Out of Your Empty Gourd no jo all blow?

Woman you have to be crazy if you think the Senate is going to NO to healthcare, which by the way is President Obama's signature piece of legislation. Healthcare reform has been put forth by presidents for decades. No other president could make that achievement; not even Clinton. Even if they did the President would veto it.

You are so correct Boehner got more than he originally asked for since we all know that you t-baggers are a bunch of lunatic crazies incapable of debating the debt ceiling because their gourds are empty.

They and you give true meaning to that slang "Out to Lunch". repealing HCR would lose jobs. so you boy Wonder, Paul Ryan is wrong in his plan to swipe out America'smiddlle clas

House Republicans misrepresent the facts. Experts predict the health care law will have little effect on employment.

http://factcheck.org/2011/01/a-job-killing-law/

Bev --you sure are lost in the world of make-believe to think Boehner is effective !!!! He an absolute blowhard who has people like you duped !1 Wake --up !!!

Settle down, Bev...

Someone might get the impression that you're part of "a bunch of lunatic crazies" yourself, darlin'...

By the way, Bev...

Did you watch MSNBC's live special program today?

"A Stronger America...The Black Agenda", hosted by Ed Schultz?

I loved it.

This sort of debate is invaluable.

I learned a lot.

Dan A

Bev --you sure are lost in the world of make-believe to think Boehner is effective !!!! He an absolute blowhard who has people like you duped !1 Wake --up !!!

Dan you misread what I wrote. I think the Boner and his band of republi/clown/T-baggers are ineffective !!!!

That's why I agreed (tongue in cheek) with no jo, all blow the Boner's hands are full. The Boner has absolutely no control over his t-baggers who want a coup d'état. They want to primary John Bohenor.

In shutdown bill vote, Tea Party vows to 'primary' Ohio's John Boehner in 2012I
http://www.examiner.com/government-in-columbus/in-shutdown-bill-vote-tea-party-vows-to-primary-ohio-s-john-boehner-2012

Wow all your name calling and !!! marks really changed my mind on the issue Beverly. Clearly you are a very "bright" individual. I mean with calling Mr. Boehner "Boner" sheer genius! And republi/clown Wow! I bet your Mother and Father are proud of you!

Mixed Bag

Settle down, Bev...

Someone might get the impression that you're part of "a bunch of lunatic crazies" yourself, darlin'...

Moi, Mixed Bag???

Only if they misread my stances.

Yes, I watched it. I find it ironic that some want to criticize the President for doing what no other President has done. I think you know how critical I have been of the "Prison Industrial Compound". Crime pays especially in Arizona. Prisons are modern day slave auction blocks in my point of view. The Sh*t Is Real yet hardly any one will look at the wasted taxe dollars it takes. The judges, contractions, and staff get paid while our future, our children, are robbed of an education; thereby making our future more blick on a global scale . This ought to make us shiver...

Jan Brewer, Arizona Governor, Has Ties To Private Prisons That House Those Locked Up By New Immigration Law

http://www.kpho.com/news/24834877/detail.html

1) BLACK FARMERS' SETTLEMENT...This is a settlement that addressed a historical wrong, I mean something that this country is not about and should not be about,” said U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

2) BUREAU OF CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION...Minorities were hit particularly hard by the home foreclosure crisis. Blacks and Latinos were steered into predatory subprime mortgages more than other groups, and as a result lost their homes twice as often. A stunning 11 percent of blacks have lost their homes to foreclosures, with somewhere between $72 billion and $93 billion in wealth vanishing forever.

3) CREDIT CARD REFORM...Predatory lending costs American borrowers $25 billion each year, and the poor, African-Americans and Latinos are particularly susceptible to fraudulent practices and higher interest rates

4) ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION... The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act invests $5 billion for early learning programs such as Head Start, Early Head Start, child care, and children with special needs. The Act also provides $77 billion to improve elementary and secondary education, and to stabilize state education budgets. Black children enrolled in Head Start were “significantly less likely to have been booked or charged with a crime,” while African-American males were more likely to finish high school and participate in the work force. In August 2010, President Obama approved $26 billion in aid to school districts to avoid teacher and public employee layoffs.

5) HBCUS and STUDENT LOAN AID. In 2010, the president signed an executive order for the president’s Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). The order provides $98 million in extra funding for HBCUs for 10 years...

6) HEALTH CARE REFORM. The historic $940 billion health care reform bill will allow 32 million additional Americans to receive health care coverage.... According to the Urban Institute, health disparities among African-Americans and Latinos relative to whites cost the U.S. health care system $23.9 billion in 2009. From 2009 through 2018, it is estimated the total cost of these disparities will be $337 billion.

7) UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE EXTENSIONS...this extension is good news for African-Americans, who are typically unemployed at a rate twice that of the general population

8) DIVERSITY... The Obama administration is the most diverse White House in U.S. history. Eric Holder is the first black Attorney General. The UN Ambassador, Susan E. Rice, is also an African American, as is EPA Administrator Lisa P. Jackson, U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk, NASA chief Charles F. Bolden, Jr., and Surgeon General Regina M. Benjamin. Diversity is extending to the federal bench as well, with blacks as 25 percent of the President’s judicial nominees, and minorities as nearly half.

9) SCHIP... In 2009, President Obama signed the Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act (SCHIP), which reauthorized and expanded the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP). In recent years, over 80 percent of uninsured black children and over 70 percent of uninsured Latino children were eligible for the program. Before the program, it was more difficult for these children to have their health care needs met.

10) CRACK VS. POWDER COCAINE. In 2010, the President signed the Fair Sentencing Act, which narrowed the huge disparity between sentences for possession of crack cocaine vs. powder cocaine. Crack users are disproportionately African-American, and the war on drugs has been a war on the poor and people of color, destroying black families and communities. As a result of America’s drug laws, the U.S. has the world’s largest prison population, and a majority of prisoners are blacks and Latinos.

11) NATIONAL MUSEUM OF AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY... President Obama funded the design of theSmithsonian National Museum of African-American History, which is scheduled to open in 2015 on the National Mall in Washington

12) CIVIL RIGHTS... During the eight years of the Bush era, the U.S. Department of Justice was a politicized agency that went after political adversaries and failed to investigate civil rights violations. Under President Obama, the Justice Department and the EEOC have returned to enforcing employment discrimination laws, the things they were meant to do.

http://www.thegrio.com/politics/slideshow-what-has-obama-done-for-black-america-in-2010.php

Wow somebody has drank alot of Koolaid! just remember Obama is a politician. What makes people nervous is how the left wing nuts adore him no matter what he does. you should never blindly follow a leader like that. And even if you like then, it is alright to question what they do.

Frank-2150073

Wow all your name calling and !!! marks really changed my mind on the issue Beverly. Clearly you are a very "bright" individual. I mean with calling Mr. Boehner "Boner" sheer genius! And republi/clown Wow! I bet your Mother and Father are proud of you!

Extremely!!!

There is genius in cynicism.

After all, I created no crimes or lied; unlike The Boner, Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, Michelle Bachmann and a whole host of other republi-clowns.

Neither have I like Georgie Boy (GW Bush) who in his first year in office lost over 2 million Americans jobs; and that trend continued every month until President Obama corrected it.

Hi Bev-

Did you watch Princeton's Dr. Cornel West and Reverend Al Sharpton screaming at one another while disputing the depth of President Obama's commitment to the needs of the African-American community?

They were screaming at each other, Bev...literally screaming.

Amazing.

Did you see the look on Ed Schultz's face?

I love live tv.

The point I am trying to make is that no matter if you have a good point or not, when you resort to name calling your point is lost. I disagree with President Obama, yet I feel it to be very disrespectful to call him names. I REALLY disagree with Nancy Pelosi, yet I do not call her names. When you take the high road you have a better chance of changing peoples point of view.

Frank-2150073

Wow somebody has drank alot of Koolaid! just remember Obama is a politician. What makes people nervous is how the left wing nuts adore him no matter what he does. you should never blindly follow a leader like that. And even if you like then, it is alright to question what they do.

Spare us the theatrics. Over half of the republi/clowns who follow the Birther movement believe President Obama was born in Kenya.

New Poll: Less Than Half Of Republicans Believe Obama Was Born In U.S.

51 % of Republicans who said they're likely to vote in next year's GOP presidential primary doubt the President's birthplace. Just 28 percent of Republicans believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, while another 21 percent are unsure.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/144219-poll-more-than-half-of-gop-primary-voters-doubt-obamas-birthplace

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42469703/ns/today-today_people/

Ken-you reconcile that? Especially since his mother is an America; and even if he was born on the moon President Obama would still be an American--How's that for blind faith-- Can you beat it?

Bev- Did you read the Huffington Post disclaimer about the polling firm, Research 2000, in your link?

Data from Research 2000 isn't to be trusted...as HuffPo pointed out in the article about the number of Republicans who dispute that President Obama was born in the United States.

The progressive/liberal website DailyKos severed their relationship with Research 2000 because their polling methods have been thoroughly discredited by respected polling analysts like Democrat and Obama supporter Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight.com.

Do you actually read the articles you link?

Your taking stats from liberal leaning news organizations. And anyways Obama could put this whole issue to rest but he choose not to. I really think that the number of people who think he was born in Kenya is much lower. Most people have a little common scene.

I think your hatred for Republicans is unhealthy and blocking your ability to judge facts for yourself. Any news organization is going to give you the facts as they see. But generally the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Republicans don't hate women, or minorities. And Democrats are not socialist trying to destroy this country.

Think for yourself and not what MSNBC, Fox news, or CCN want you to believe.

Mixed Bag

Hi Bev-

Did you watch Princeton's Dr. Cornel West and Reverend Al Sharpton screaming at one another while disputing the depth of President Obama's commitment to the needs of the African-American community?

They were screaming at each other, Bev...literally screaming.

Amazing.

Did you see the look on Ed Schultz's face?

I love live tv.

I was in the kitchen but did have the TV on. I heard it and was going Right On Rev!!! That's right you tell'em. I loved it. What was the l@@k on Ed's face?

Cornell West as I've said before and as far as I'm concerned has blacked out. I do like him or his boyfriend the inarticulate, mouth full of mush sounding, cornfed country bumpkin, Tavis Smiley. Tavis claims he is not gay. It's nothing wrong with being gay. Tavis & Dr West are jealous of President Obama from my point of view.

in May 2007, Out magazine ranked him 27th behind David Geffen in its list of the fifty "Most Powerful Gay Men and Women in America."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavis_Smiley

Tavis Smiley...

One of Sen. Barack Obama's toughest African American critics is quitting his long association with a national radio show after facing a backlash from the program's listeners.

Tom Joyner indicated otherwise on his program and in his blog yesterday, writing: "The real reason is that he can't take the hate he's been getting regarding the Barack issue -- hate from the black people that he loves so much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103056.html?hpid=topnews

Wow Beverly you are truly lost in your fantasy world. I feel sorry for you with all the hatred you have in you. Good thing your not in a position of power.

Dang, Bev-

I had no idea Tavis Smiley was gay.

Is it relevant?

As far as the look on Ed Schultz's face...well, he looked as though he'd rather be someplace else.

Anyplace else.

lol

Frank-2150073

Wow Beverly you are truly lost in your fantasy world. I feel sorry for you with all the hatred you have in you. Good thing your not in a position of power.

Worry about yourself like a good little selfish rightie. I'm find.

Mixed Bag

Bev- Did you read the Huffington Post disclaimer about the polling firm, Research 2000, in your link?

I don't care what Tavis is. I don't like his hatred.

How many times do I need to tell you I don't read Huff & Crap as well as FDL. A far as I'm concerned they can't be progressives. They aid and abate and are worst than the rabid right wing websites and FOX NOISE.

L@@K Mixed Bag; READ ALL ABOUT IT...

Andrew Breitbart Now Blogging for Huffington Post

http://veracitystew.com/2011/03/14/final-death-blow-for-huffpo-andrew-breitbart-now-blogging-for-huffington-post/

I think I read that Nate Sliver poop poops the controversy over ppp poll.

TRENDING: Palin gives Trump some verbal support on birther issue

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/10/palin-gives-trump-some-verbal-support-on-birther-issue/?iref=allsearch

Chris Matthws talked about the lunacy a few days ago; I'm not sure which poll he cited.

L@@K Mixed Bag; READ ALL ABOUT IT...

Andrew Breitbart Now Blogging for Huffington Post

Off topic

Gaddafi said to accept 'truce road map'

Terms of African leaders' proposal unclear, including whether the Libyan leader will pull troops out of cities.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/04/20114104722371655.html

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Merci President Obama for being the only adult in the room. When the left, the right and center criticize you; you stay the course.

just watched Cornell West's speech at the left forum a month or so ago, he's brilliant and on target. Any leftist who still supports Obama is an apologist, a wuss. West is great

philip munroe

just watched Cornell West's speech at the left forum a month or so ago, he's brilliant and on target. Any leftist who still supports Obama is an apologist, a wuss. West is great

philip

I searched the web an found the segment in which I am in total agreement with Rev Shapton and Velma Hart. Maybe if you see it you may change your opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diqr921cx6A

Just what has Dr West done to improve the conditions in the Black community? Sure he has written books, teaches at a prestigious university; but he hasn't put any pressure on the establishment to change conditions for the Black community. When you see him on TV or cable he is pushing his books etc. Dr West like Rev Sharpton said had years to improve the conditions of the Black community.

But, the truth of the matter is--it is up to us to change our destiny. Charity begins at home.

To me Dr West is a whiny fu*k, just like his boyfriend Tavis Smiley. Of course I love and support President Obama; my fellow Chicagoan. I’m not a cult worshipper either. President Obama doesn't get everything right; but at least he tries. What has Congress done? Why do they want the President to do their job? We pay them to make the laws and the President to sign or veto it.

What good did it do for Dr West to go to Wisconsin and bash the President? That is counterproductive.

I support President Obama because there has never been another man in U.S. history who inherited a great depression, two wars, a jacked-up banking system, earthquakes in Haiti and Japan, a totally transforming Middle East and a bunch of freakin' tea party nuts who believe he's not from America; never mind that the President's mother is an American. If President Obama had been born on the moon as long as his mother is an American, then he is too.

Did you not see my post #2.18 - Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:11 PM EDT about What President Obama has done for Black America in 2010?

CRACK VS. POWDER COCAINE is similar to what he did in Illinois. The then Senator Obama also had cameras installed so Police like Jon Burge could force Blacks into confessing crimes they didn't do through torture.

The President gets it. Dr West and Tavis Smiley don't. I say that because they are elite Black Bourgeoisie who are not doing the basic fundamentals i.e. working together with family, community for the demands they place on our president because they are too busy selling their envy and others wares.

What Obama need's most is our help--our voices, and our support!!!

@BEVERLY - I just wanted to say that I agree with your opinions and admire the way you hold your own against some of these escapees from the insane asylum. I've personally run out of steam, there's just too many of them and they are all too far gone, so I don't even bother anymore. But you keep fighting the good fight. And when they run out of relevant things to debate, they resort to personal attacks, but you just hang in there!

And what is with all the collapsing of comments? That used to be for comments that broke the rules of Newsvine, now it seems if a group of people don't agree with what you are saying, they just collapse your comment!?!? Newsvine and MSNBC need to monitor this and fix this option.

How do you figure that?

Navy/DaNoid: No, he didn't lie. You two obviously don't understand the issue. There are no federal funds being used for abortion --that was true before and it's true now. The Hyde amendment prohibits it and this budget doesn't repeal the Hyde amendment. The funding debate is whether you can cut off federal funds for any entity that provides abortions, regardless of the fact they don't use those federal funds for abortions. The wing nuts keep trying (like the amendment that would have prevented women from using their OWN private insurance to get an abortion, where no federal dollars are involved at all--That one failed too.) Thus the charge that the Tea Party is not seriously interested in budgets--they're interested in legislating their bible. (Get it now?)

navyvet98,

No. Despite the clear ammendment written within HR 3596 stating, "No Federal funding would be allocated for abortions". The Republicans still expected to cut Planned Parenthood because the GOP determined it funded abortions....despite the clear ammendment banning federal funding for abortions from HCR the year before. In the budget proposal, Dems wisely chose not to argue over a delusional matter becoming irrelevant and possibly halting Government because it was already clearly stated in HR 3596 (Health Care Reform) the year before..........

Learn how to read....the ammendment is online.....and it was signed into law more than a year ago....

AP - I knew that...my question was to "navyvet" who, apparently, does not.

"Planned Parenthood provides abortions on demand using taxpayer funds. Check your facts before you jump in"

How about you provide some support for that assertion, since you're the one making it?

There was no lie. Federal tax dollars do not fund abortions, it is against the law. What DC does with it's local tax money is DC's business, but according to the government, they should have a say.

The Hyde amendment < which was signed into law in the 70's>prohibits any federal money being used for abortions. What part of this do you NOT understand?? dang are you brain dead???

obama has been straight up-he was left with a 2 term sentence of bush who totally messed up-this is why we are wat this point. If you notice, there were no raises in gas until the republicans came back in office

Bill-433395,

You're absolutely wrong. Planned Parenthood provides referrals to other care providers. Only a care provider can provide any treatements. And there are various different care providers at different clinics providing different services. If a planned parenthood clinic provides any expectant mother a referral to such a Clinic, HR 3596 ammendment banning Federal funds for abortion and the Hyde ammendment would prohibit any federal funds to pay for it. As such, it would be the Mother's choice to fund it privately or with her own private Insurance (not government insurance).....not Federal funding. The Republicans have framed this lie within Budget negotiations, as though their budget proposal would defund an allocation that has already been DEFUNDED in HR 3596 (Health Care Reform).....The GOP are bunch of Idiots who are either too stupid to understand the Health System.....Pathological Liars......or both.

Tony RN

you got that righ..all lies but the american people will vote for them againand again....

tommytells the truth

You are absolutely right. I do not think any of these cutbacks are godd in any way. At least with planned parenthood-the women are able to learn what options are available-which then an informed decision could be made. Options are always important. it does not matter what one feels about abortion, but to allow the people know thatthey have options and are informed.

AP, it is unfair to confuse idiots with facts!

I don't understand why no one ever lists the OTHER great assistance programs that Planned Parenthood provides besides abortion! I used them quite a few times in my younger days and I NEVER had an abortion. Because of the harping of conservatives, many people don't know that PP does anything BUT abortions! They provide the ability to PREVENT pregnancy to the women who need it the most - the poor and/or underprivileged.

I think the liars are the republicans that said 90% of what PP does is abortions, when its really 3%.

Get a clue republicans, Americans don't believe your lies or tactics.

Maybe part of the confusion comes from Harry Reid, who stood on the Senate floor on Thursday, crying the stalemate was caused by one issue: abortion.

If he wanted to support the other services Planned Parenthood provides, he should have used those as a focus of the discussion.

idk what you watched candace but i did see harry reid bring up the other things like cancer screenings and preventive care that pp provides...the reason being the fact he has 9 granddaughters a wife of many years and a daughter....just sayin

Candice, Bartlett, IL

If he wanted to support the other services Planned Parenthood provides, he should have used those as a focus of the discussion.

According to Reid, the U.S. House Republican efforts to defund the agency will not be considered by the U.S. Senate, presently controlled by the Democrats.

The federal government currently provides Planned Parenthood with $363 million annually, but by law, that money cannot be spent on abortion. It is spent on other types of health care services, such as cancer screenings, breast exams, and tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/

To prevent any entity that provides abortion services from receiving funds through Title X, which is meant to increase access to contraceptive services, supplies and information, especially among low-income Americans is a cruel diversion and Koch Brothers stall tacit.

THE KOCH BROTHERS CLEARLY HAVE A FINANCIAL STAKE IN BLOCKING REFORM.

David and Charles Koch are also responsible for a vicious attack campaign aimed directly at obstructing and killing progressive reform. Over the years, millions of dollars in Koch money has flowed to various right-wing think tanks, front groups, and publications. At the dawn of the Obama presidency

http://www.alternet.org/story/144455/meet_the_billionaire_brothers_funding_the_right-wing_hate_machine?page=entire

BTW: how is an abortion debate was relevant to the House GOP's mandate to focus on Jobs, Jobs, Jobs? How many job creation s have you seen from the GOP?

I don't think you can answer that question.

They should just honestly stop allowing abortions to be performed at Planned Parenthood. The argument that, while abortions are not directly paid for, they are covered indirectly as the PP locations are able to offer lower prices for them due to their fiscal stability derived from tax money is not completely illogical. We should not risk losing PP across the country over the abortion issue.

The women who go to PP are often the poor, if a poor woman gets pregnant do you think that she pays for that pregnancy out of her pocket? Poor people's pregnancies are paid for by medicaid. How many months of birth control can be provided with the money that is spent on one pregnancy? 1000? I would venture that PP saves the states billions of dollars in medicaid dollars.

Is calling the Repulicans "The Party of no" really an isult? We have an enormous defecit, saying yes to spending isn't an option! Given our economic situation I would gladly vote for those that say no to more spending and bigger government than for those that say yes.

Its time for the Democrats to start being 'the party of no' too. Find different things to say no to if you must, but now is not the time for anyone to be saying yes.

Seriously? You think "no" is a political platform? (hey, maybe you should run. You'd fit right in--already got that "hey we're broke...but ok, we can afford tax cuts" stuff....)

good comment. It should be no to the upper class and rich and yes to the funding for the mental health/elderly/and other menbtal health/substance abuse/homeles population. the more we cut these programs, raise taxes, raise gas, have our troops over these different wars-the more of a trickling down effect. The middle class shrinks and you will find more unemployment, more crime, more homeless, more pople staroing and foreclosure, and people needing more help. we are suffering from a 2 term stench from bush. Put a democrate in for just one term, and he has encountered all the mess of a republican to clean up after.

oh yeah joanne that 5% unemployment under bush was just awful wasn't it? I'm sure you think things are SO much better now with 9% unemployment and $4 gas...

and why did you savior just start another WAR FOR OIL in libya?

Joe: No one can deny that when Obama took office the economy was torpedoing into the ground. His policies only were good for the wealthy. Ask any wealthy person. The economy failing has nothing to do with Bush? I really am beginning to get how incompetent GOP supporters are. You really believe the lies. GOP supporters really believe that the government by them and for them is against them even though they vote and elect whom they elect to represent their interests... somehow the government is evil BUT the wealthiest 1% who hoard their money and corporations who would have you work for $2 an hour and get a black lung in the process have their and their families best interest at heart. It's insanity - true insanity.

joe-3041821

You know better, Our unemployment was inherited by GW due to the financial melt down. Lybia was NOT a war , it was a UN effort to protect rights of people.

GW Bush stated" The best way to grow the economy is to go to war"

So he went into two of them

The Republican Party has magically been transformed into "The Party Of Yes", and President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Reid have decided to hop on board.

Let's see whether Nancy and the House Democrats have a ticket to ride.

Next week is going to be interesting.

Especially here at First Read.

I can't wait...it's even better than Christmas morning.

lol

Republicans: The party of YES...........................YES we will cut taxes on the richest 1% of people in the country;

YES we will decrease Social Security and Medicare;

YES we will never reduce funding for the military programs in our state;

YES we will campaign on bringing home Federal money for local projects and Yes we will always criticize Democrats for the same thing;

YES we will criticize President Obama regardless what he says or does;

YES we will use schools, teachers and social programs as examples of wasteful spending;

YES we will block any effort by anyone to increase taxes on business as we have the highest businesses tax rates in the world [yes indeed, just look at GE as an example and yes do not ask any questions about businesses with offshore accounts or credits for foreign investments!] .

The party of YES!!

Tell it to President Obama, and Senate Majority Leader Reid, OXBRon.

Along with Speaker Boehner...

Isn't this THEIR deal?

YES!!

Boener does have a bigger issue: the Tea Baggers. They will be his downfall. All that the Republicans have done was to bowdown to the Tea Baggers' agenda. Pay attention: it's the John Birch Society in disguise.

As for the Democrats, I've lost confidence in them as well. Two years were wasted with their leadership and I am extremely disappointed. I did expect better from them.

And now, everybody's running for reelection. Need that 15 second sound bite. Oh, for joy, for joy. Who's up next in the "Republican Want It to Be Me Parade?"

Sorry, it's the liberal teabagees that are too egotistical to want to be bothered with kids, that's why they treat abortions like getting a hangnail removed. Is Planned Parenthood making the situation better? 4000 abortions per day is ridiculous!

Sorry, facts are stubborn things aren't they? There are no federal funds going for abortions. Planned Parenthood's federal dollars aren't allowed to pay for abortions. As to your "hangnail removal". How many women do you know that choose an abortion and would use that term for the decision? (right, thought not.) that's why you don't get to make that decision. The woman does. (and that's why its' called choice...because you don't get a vote on who "deserves" one.)

Way to spin it, the funding paying for other options leaves more money for abortions. sheesh. My sister had two or three abortions during her hippy days, and when she decided to try to have children, she continually miscarried and couldn't. She is now a lonely 67 year old who turned to alcohol. Unintended consequences.

The spending binge is officially over

Hillary in 2012

Ok Crystal now I know your agenda. You want to legislate abortion access without changing the law. Just step up and say what you stand for. You oppose abortion. I can deal with that quite easily. On the other hand, the overwhelming bulk of what they do has not one damned thing to do with abortion. So go ahead and use cost as an argument? You lose again. Do you have any clue how much money prenatal care saves us? Do you have any idea how much money it saves to catch cancer in its early stages or are you going to be the first one to step up and give up her breasts to cancer because you oppose Planned Parenthood? Preventive care is EVERYTHING! If you want to fight abortion, pick another venue or are you just so full of yourself that YOU believe you can decide that issue for all women. You sound bitter and totally uninformed about the very difficult job these people do on a daily basis. I don't have ill will against you for your view on abortion, what I do take issue with is that you and any POS politician think they can legislate that decision for all women. I have a real problem with that.

By a parallel version to your argument, state funds for busing of kids to parochial schools is support of a religion. Federal funds to faith-based organizations for social services (a la Bush's plan) would, likewise, be support of religion. I'[m sure there are other examples.

Are they always OK? Are they always wrong? Or, does it depend on whether or not you agree with what the money is spent for?

I want to ask these tea baggers this...what cost more a birth control pill or a welfare baby?? They act all concerned and want to tell people how to live ( what gives you the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies?..its not your business or right..you dont own them) but get serious...if you were really that logical and really cared for kids you would get it through your head that birth control avoids pregnancies. If you think you can just tell a teenager to not have sex and they will listen then I got a nice battle free island I could sell you..cheap off the coast of Libya. grow up people!!

Why doesn't PP open their books and show where the money comes from and where it goes. That sounds too easy...then the left/right, dems/repubs, liberals/conservatives, religous/nonreligous and tea baggers/non tea baggers will be able to discern the truth. Until then we can make up facts or stretch truths that support our opinions and yell at each other because our rights are violated or maybe our internal anchors are being tugged. I'd rather know the facts first. Jesus didn't die for the righteous but for the sinners of the world.. We need His love more than ever.

How many of you loud mouth male pro-lifers posting have adopted a child - how many are fostering children-how many of you have been pregnant? If you haven't then just zip it! Birth control should be handed out for free - subsidized by all of us! It saves us all money in the long run. And when birth control fails and the child isn't wanted why would you force a woman to have a child that she doesn't want? Because you want it? I didn't think so.

Recent bumper sticker:

Tea parties are for little girls and their imaginary friends....

love it

Elaine, women should be asking themselves that question before getting knocked up. Planned Parenthood should not be receiving government funds anyway. They should operate independently. If women want an abortion they are free to pay for it themselves. The fact that Planned Parenthood provides abortions and receives federal money means tax money is supporting abortions. You can't spin it any other way. It's time people accept the consequences of their actions.

Nice try. Congress controls and MUST appropriate ALL public funds for the District of Columbia so YES we are paying for it. Just another liberal workaround of the law so it meets their needs.
As for the cost of abortion verses raising a child on welfare, it's a mute point. We (the tax paying public) shouldn't have to pay for either, how about personal responsibility. Maybe if we cut all welfare people would actually have to work for a living even if it means taking a minimum wage job. If you can't live on that income then be responsible enough not to have the kid in the first place or go educate yourself so you can find one that pays what "YOU" think you can live on.
We can't continue to pay for these entitlement programs. If you are not retired and over the age of 68, disabled with medical proof not, these fictitious problems but verifiable proof and the burden is on you to prove not us to prove you wrong, then there you should get a job and rely on society to take care of you.

Anne: yes, you are absolutely correct. Those who are screaming the loudest don't seem to care what condition unwanted children encounter, do they? I recall, perhaps many years ago, an anti-abortion rally in Harrisburg, PA, where the Catholic church had bused in protesters from other states. There were at least 10,000 there, according to the press. Also present, was a group who organizes adoptions of unwanted children. This is what I'll never forget: it was reported that this group was able to get only SIX individuals to stop by their table and take literature. The other 9,994 protesters were oblivious to them. Go figure.

These are the functions performed by Planned Parenthood:

• Screening for cancer
• Contraceptives
• Pregnancy testing
• Vaccinations
• Affordable health care
• Advocating for state/federal policies that advance health care
• Pregnancy options counseling
• Sexual health education
• Menopause treatments
• Adoption referral to other agencies
• STD testing
• Vasectomies
• Tubal litigations

According the 2009 Planned Parenthood fact sheet, the number of services by category are as follows:

• 35% STD testing/treatment
• 35% contraception
• 16% cancer screening/prevention
• 10% other women's health services
• 3% abortion services
• 1% other

The abortions are privately funded and there is separate accounting for public and private funding.

tidho.... Yes we have a terrible deficit and debt problem! The last 3 GOP presidents signed TWENTY deficit riddled budgets that caused over $11T in debt. They also pushed thru tax cuts for the wealthy. This was party of their plan to "starve the beast" which consisted of running up the debt so high it would cause a debt and budget crisis. Then they could go on a eliminate/privbatize SS, Medicare etc saying it's the ONLY solution. That is EXACTLY what they're planning beginning with the 2012 budget!

So, you can see that it's the Republicans who caused this debt and budget crisis! NOW they're deficit hawks!! LMAO!!!

NPR fact checks, debunks Planned Parenthood’s “3% of all services are for abortion” lie

The Fact Sheet published with 2009 data was refuted by NPR on March 8, 2011. The statistics above make it look like only 3% of their clients came for abortions when that number is actually much higher.

According to the first page of the Fact Sheet, Planned Parenthood provided services for 3,000,000* clients in 2009. Approximately 612,000 pregnancies were prevented, or more than 20% of the patients they saw, chose to terminate surgically or use the Abortion Pill - not to be confused with Emergency Contraception. Not all of PP clients are women so that percentage is probably higher.

According to their website, the Abortion Pill is $350 - $650. In-Clinic Procedures are $350 - $950 in the first trimester. Either way, whether it is 332,000 or 612,000, over 40% of Planned Parenthood income comes from abortions.

According to their own Annual Report, Planned Parenthood does not perform anything for Breast Cancer Screening other than a Breast Exam. No Mammograms, no MRI's, no biopsy...they screen for cervical cancer with PAP tests, and LOOP/LEEP procedures.....and they do a behavioral risk analysis.

Most clients go to Planned Parenthood for Pregnancy Prevention and STI/STD prevention not cancer treatment and primary care.

Less than 1% (19,796) use PP for Primary Care and less than 2% (56,204) use PP for pediatric care.

Planned Parenthood's Title X status went into effect in 1970.

Here are the rest of the statistics for clients/services provided by Planned Parenthood from their Fact Sheet with a more accurate picture of how many clients receive which services.

From PP_Services. pdf - Planned Parenthood Fact Sheet current as of March 2011.

Services Provided

Term. Pregnancies (Approx.)

Abortion procedures 332,278 11% of clients

Contraception

Reversible Contraception Clients, Women** 2,327,662 77.6% of clients

Emergency Contraception Kits 1,537,180 51.2% of clients

Tubal Sterilization Clients 756 .02% of clients

Reversible Contraception Clients, Men 140,648 4.7% of clients

Vasectomy Clients 3,303 .01% of clients

STI/STD Testing and Treatment

STI Procedures, Women and Men 3,419,965 114.0% of clients

HIV Testing Procedures, Women 391,299 13.0% of clients

HIV Testing Procedures, Men 123,283 4.1% of clients

HIV Testing Procedures, Gender Not Reported 21,369 .7% of clients

Cancer Screening

Pap Tests 904,820 30.0% of clients

HPV Vaccinations 44,924 1.5% of clients

Breast Exams/ Breast Care 830,312 27.6% of clients

Colposcopy Procedures*** 46,062 1.5% of clients

LOOP/LEEP Procedures*** 2,692 .08% of clients

Cryotherapy Procedures*** 2,001 .07% of clients

Other Women's Health Services

Pregnancy Tests 1,158,924 38.6% of clients

Prenatal Clients 7,021 .2% of clients

Midlife Clients 12,424 .4% of clients

Other Services

Primary Care Clients, Women and Men 19,796 .6% of clients

Adoption Referrals to Other Agencies 977 .03% of clients

Other Services, Women and Men**** 56,204 1.8% of clients

* In 2009, we provided nearly 11.4 million medical services for three million people, and helped to prevent

approximately 612,000 unintended pregnancies.

** Oral, Non-Prescription Barrier, No Method, Pogestin-only injectables, Other/Unknown, Combined Hormone Ring, IUD, Combined Hormone Patch, Implant, Prescription Barrier, Family Awareness Based Method

*** A colposcopy examination aids in the diagnosis and treatment of abnormal growth cells in the cervix. LOOP/LEEP and cryotherapy are treatments for abnormal growths.

**** Some examples in this category include WIC services (a federally funded nutrition program for low-income women, infants, and children up to the age of five), pediatric care, and immunizations.

CE : "How many of you loud mouth male pro-lifers posting have adopted a child - how many are fostering children-how many of you have been pregnant? " . CE617233 not many males become pregnant. Just biology I guess..............

On the other hand, I would love for you to find me this so called constitution right to have an abortion??? Life , Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness didn't give an age description. I bet they never dreamed that the question would come up. So without an age specified, someones constitutional rights are being messed with in a abortion situation.

So if it's legal . Well If you need one , get it. Just don't have tax payer money pay for it. Supposedly , It does not currently. But , It's NOT a Right.

Scar: are you joking? You'd withhold a medical procedure from someone because they aren't "rights"? I guess if your tonsils are constantly infected you'd better shut up and deal with it! Shoulda thought of that before having tonsils, huh!

While you are right, you need a new screen name.

Abortion is legal. Planned Parenthood provides valuable health services and reasonable people would agree on these topics. I think it is also fair to understand the opposition. If a facility that performs abortions also provides other valuable health services, but is not supposed to receive any federal funding for abortions, why is it a surprise that the funding for the combination of the services is a part of the discussion. It is worthy of a debate. The Democrat's have a winning argument and perhaps could legislate the outcome if 1) they proposed a separation of the health services from those that are not supposed to be funded with federal dollars 2) put an end to the debate on when human life begins and when the rights of the unborn become the rights of a US citizen. This is the true argument. And while I support a women's right to choose, I also understand there is a point where the fetus changes into a person and deserves their own protection under the law. This is where the Democrat's prefer ambiguity and it is the reason this topic keeps returning and will continue to do so until there is a legal definition and law precedent that forces the issue.

Maybe not surprising that people can't comprehend the idea of restricted funds, but that's an argument to defund Planned Parenthood?? (you'd have to continue that argument to almost any entity receiving some federal funds--there are rules about all of it and what you can use it for. Ignorance of those rules isn't really much of an excuse.) I'm not sure where the "ambiguity" is in your mind. The supreme court leaves no ambiguity about when legal abortions can take place.

You are exactly right. In fact, abortion services comprise exactly THREE PERCENT of what Planned Parenthood does. THREE (3) PERCENT. The huge majority of their services involve testing & treatment of STDs, contraception, cancer screening and other health services for women. This is a NON-ARGUMENT for anyone with half a brain who is not totally allergic to facts as opposed to rhetoric. IMO, if the GOP was half as concerned about human beings AFTER they're out of the womb as they are about clusters of cells IN the womb that could become human beings, the world would be a far better place.

The screen name came with me from Fox News. Seems so appropriate there!

Goparefools, do you really belief people are so stupid that they do not know what causes babies, how to prevent diseases, etc., people are fat because they do not give a damn about eating properly. They do not need a pool of 20,000-40,000 government employees to tell them when to take a poop or when to wipe afterwards. Their moms and dads, teach them these things, maybe even the schools. You must remember that people are responsible for their actions. I personally do not know why people like you think that the government should be taking care of you. What has this country come to with all this liberial attitude.

Now now AP. If you think the language in Rowe v Wade is unambiguous you are mistaken. Blackman wrote for the majority that the states legitimate concern for the protection of prenatal life increased as the pregnancy advanced. The state may prohibit abortions in the third trimester. In the subsequent ruling, Planned Parenthood v Casey, informed consent, parental consent and 24 hour waiting were established. Note the improvements in fetal viability were discussed in the arguments and noted in the plurality opinion.

The legislature has never attempted to establish the precise medical condition or date of fetal viability. That is where the ambiguity resides. And given that the supreme courts decisions have upheld the legal rights for a few decades and will continue to be challenged until the one ambiguity is ultimately defined, I stand behind my original comment.

OK, Johnny, let's follow that thread. So corporations should also stand up on their own? Pay their share? No more tax breaks, GE should pay taxes? Rich people should pay their share?

People are responsible for their actions, true enough. Government doesn't fund abortions. As for the rest of your Fox0issued cartoon analogy, no one is dedicated to telling people how to wipe their bums. Hyperbole really doesn't help the discussion, now, does it?

You know what else, if the republicans had their way, there would be NO SEX ED for young people allowed. NONE. This is how young people learn how to not get AIDS or knocked up (sorry, "in trouble"). But the xenophobic conservatives think giving yong people a clue about how their junk works and what trouble they can get into with it is evil, or some such BS. Parents are clearly NOT doing the job, if the're pushing some abstinence-only garbage, or telling young people that sex before marriage is a sin and leaving it at that.

Honestly, I want sex ed taught in schools because I want my well-informed, self-aware daughters to be safe from douchebag whose parents refused to tell him anything about sex, or how to treat women, how to know when what you are trying to do is rape, etc.

Why are conservatives so afraid of information?

Why are Republicans so hell bent on using women to push their agenda.

They care about the fetus ONLY. After the child is born, the run like hell. Why do you think they are so busy cutting everything that supports women and children?

They want to cut health care, medicaid, teachers, food stamps. They want to close schools. Everything that is in place to help disadvantaged women and children, goes on the chopping block. BUT, they want to spend more on prisons, reduce the tax percentage for the rich only, abolish taxes for corporations.

The bottom line. Have the child. We will then complain how irresponsible you are, by having a kid you cant afford. We will then make it impossible for this child to get health care an education or even food. But we have a prison waiting for them, if they try to steal some food or any other trumped up charges we can come up with. I suppose they will soon have a paupers prison.

Take from the poor and give to the rich, so they can realize the commitment they have made, to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

why don't you libs kill your own babies with your own money? and if they're born...take care of them yourselves and stop expecting the rest of us to?

and you should thank the rich for paying most of the taxes that take care of you. no one takes from the poor, they don't pay federal income taxes..nice lie.

Wow, Joe. You're immune to facts, aren't you? Federal money doesn't pay for abortions. Can you read that last sentence?

You know what? People would love to pay their own way if they could get a decent wage and be assured that their job is secure. You want your social security to be able to pay for you, but you don't bat an eye when corporations lay off an entire workforce (current and future taxpayers paying the social security you will benefit from) to maximize profit. These people want to work, want to pay their own way, but greed of a few very wealthy people denies them that opportunity, so they need help.

The rich benefit from exploiting the middle class and poor, so you don;t think maybe there's a bit of karmic realignment needed for the rich to pay more in taxes?

People treat the free market and corporations like unassailable deities, but these magical entities have no conscience, no soul and no empathy. It's all about maximizing payoffs for very few. This leaves many, many people in the crapper, unable to pay for their homes, unable to feed themselves, let alone their kids.

Not everyone lives the idyllic life you do in your affluent suburb. Some people's lives suck, and are hard. You walk in their shoes, my judgemental friend, and see how YOU feel about government trying to help.

goparefools: The answer is "Yes, Joe is immune to the facts." Facts don't matter in little bubble where he lives.

talk about stupid...right planned parenthood takes the money and keeps it totally separate from their abortions...such stupidity has to hurt.

the rich don't exploit the poor..what BS...the rich give them jobs..and pay their welfare...explain exactly how the rich exploit the poor...you can't....talking point lies.

Ryan's plan for Medicare has already been tried. Medicare started out with a voucher system and it didn't work. That with the fact that it will cost seniors an additional $12,000 to $20,000 per year will put health care out of the reach of most of us. Now don't say get private insurance. You can't go backwards. Those of us that are over 65 will not be able to get private insurance. My questions to all you conservatives is, why are you always wanting to throw women, children, the elderly, disabled, poor and disadvantaged under the bus. Why not close down the 300 military bases that we don't need and send that military to Afghanistan and Iraq and bring the National Guard home where they belong? Why not cut foreign aid? Why do we sent millions to South American farmers to grow cotton for us to buy back, then pay our farmers not to grow cotton? We don't need to cut our social programs if we took a hard look at other areas that need changing anyhow.

Joe, (#6.12)

The RICH, don’t GIVE anyone a job. They enter a contract where labor of some kind is exchanged for a paycheck, the labor is worth more than the dollars paid or else they end the contract. The way that the rich exploit the poor and middle class is the difference between the value of the labor and the amount paid. When the people who own the company are making millions or billions of dollars in profit while the employees are barely able to survive that is exploitation.

Admittedly a CEO should make more than an hourly worker, but 400 times as much? Come on, that is unreasonable.

The company I work for was purchased by a holding company. Right off the bat we were informed that the owners were expecting a 35% ROI. There isn’t that kind of profit in automotive work, unfair foreign competition has gutted the profits. The point is, because the new owners have money, they feel that they are entitled to demand unreasonable profits. Now projects are under funded, we don’t have the tools we need to properly launch new jobs and quality has taken a dive.

Planned Parenthood put out a Fact Sheet in March, 2011 in an effort to stanch the effects of the undercover video and the ensuing public outcry to defund their organization. The data is factual, but misleading in it current form.

The fact sheet combines per client data with multiple procedures data and represents all of the data as service/procedure data which is not an accurate extrapolation of % of clients use of each service.

Example: Abortion services is listed as 3% of services, but 332,278 Abortions out of 3,000,000 clients is a rate of over 10% not 3%.

Here is data from that Fact Sheet:

Provided nearly 11.4 million medical services to 3 million people in 2009

Per Client Data:

96,422 Clients (3%) - clients received primary care, midlife, prenatal, adoption and "other" services.

332,278 Clients (11%) - clients received Abortions

2,472,369 Clients (82%) - clients received Contraception and Sterilization services

% of Tests/Procedures Data:

16% of tests/procedures - Cancer Screening (Pap Test, Breast Exam, no Mammograms)

35% of tests/procedures - STI/STD Testing

10% of tests/procedures - Pregnancy Tests

Based on their own data, most of the clients appear to be going to PP to Prevent Parenthood and test for STD's than go for Primary care and Cancer Screenings.

However, Primary care and Breast Cancer Screenings for women makes for a much better argument when you are an upstanding Mormon speaking on the Senate Floor defending Federal Funding for a 501(c)(3) that terminates pregnancies. Even if coverage exists under Medicaid and Obamacare.

Democrats willing to hold paychecks for servicemen and women hostage in this latest round of threats to shut-down the government is unconscionable. Planned Parenthood can get along fine without the Federal funding. It's time to repeal and replace Title X.

Democrats willing to hold paychecks for servicemen and women hostage in this latest round of threats to shut-down the government is unconscionable.

Now the lies begin. Democrats did not do anything to hinder paychecks for servicemen. What they did was refuse to support another week extension. Republicans tried using the the military as usual, the bill had a lot of unnecessary riders. If they were really trying to support the military, why didn't they offer a stand alone bill? Besides, how many weeks extension should be done rather than just working together?

I suppose they should repeal and replace Title X and cut funding for PP. Take away all the support for women. Just force them to carry that child, then blame them for having kids they can't afford. It seems like republicans are always finding ways to ride on the backs of women and children.

Even if coverage exists under Medicaid and Obamacare......Another lie. But what else is new for republicans. Lying for some is easier than breathing, and the rest follow blindly.

Independent, the time will have to come at some point when the dems and repubs both realize their economic philosophies are unsustainable. The only way to attack the debt is to generate a surplus whose only purpose is to pay down the principle. It is both a spending and a revenue problem. Until spending is drastically cut at all levels, not just the tiny programs that only affect the poor and middle class, and taxes are raised to the point where surplus is generated to pay down debt, both sides have their heads in the sand.

We agree on this topic Indy. That is for sure. I for one want to see the cuts come a bit quicker, with no sacred cows. Across the board in moderation to not hammer the nascent economic recovery. Something along a return to the last budget that actually passed and was signed into law, with mandatory 1-2% cuts each and every year until the deficit spending decreases. After a couple of years of spending reform, and a reasonable increase in revenues due to reduced unemployment, then and only then should tax increases be enacted. While I recognize we need both the spending cut and the tax increases, right now, politicians are not to be trusted with new tax dollars to spend. They are experts at spending and failures at reform. When the time comes to collect those new taxes, they need to go 100% to deficit / debt reduction and should not be used to fund any new or existing programs. And I know this is unpopular, but that includes the new HCR that remains largely unenacted for the parts that will cost big dollars.

Independent, I posted this the other day and although I normally don't do reposts, it shows how I think we can at least start to solve the problem. So here is:

Indy Lib's step-by-step guide to Independent Liberation:

Step 1: raise taxes to 1999 levels. Step 2: take revenue generated during current tax year; that is what you have for the next fiscal year. Step 3: before a penny is spent on anything else, apply 10% of revenue to paying down debt. Step 4: allocate the rest accordingly.

If, along with the steps listed above, you also close corporate loopholes, eliminate corporate welfare, cut military spending, disengage from any and all foreign military adventures (it is the Dept. of Defense afterall), then I believe we will do alright.

None of us will have a shot at whatever political utopias we personally believe in with the debt hanging over us.

I totally agree with your logic and you thinking. I would back up your proposal. Good job!

I could live with that but I think you are avoiding the largest and most continuous issue. Entitlements will comprise $2. trillion of the $3.7 trillion in the proposed 2012 budget. Revenues are projected to barely cover entitlements at $2.1 trillion. All other spending, defense, HCR, justice, education and any other department you can think of will be funded on borrowed dollars. We have already reached the tipping point where entitlements and interest on the debt consume the entire amount of taxes collected.

So while I agree we need to close loopholes, raise the top nominal tax rates in due time, these things will not even come close to fixing the real issue of mandatory and ever growing entitlement spending.

I wouldn't leave entitlements alone. We all have to sacrifice. As it stands now, the repubs only want the poor and middle class to sacrifice while the dems aren't asking anyone to sacrifice. Neither side is realistic.

Thanks elaine.

Indy Lib-

Wouldn't it be ironic if Ryan's proposal ended in President Obama accepting, and actually urging the adoption of, the recommendations of his own bipartisan debt commission?

You're clearly an "Indy Lib"...and I'm clearly a fiscal conservative.

If you can live with that...

I can.

MB, I have nothing but respect for true fiscal conservatives. The only problem I have is with folks who hide behind the words "fiscal conservative" to justify policies designed to make the rich richer at the expense of the rest of us. I believe you are a true fiscal conservative, so I can live with that as well.

You know what, Indy Lib?

I don't like those folks either...fortunately for me, I only have to be comfortable in my own skin.

I believe this to my core, though...

If the U.S. doesn't get a handle on the debt crisis, we're done.

Finished.

Last night, for the first time, after listening to President Obama...I think he knows it, too.

He knows, Indy.

Mixed Bag or anyone else wishing to speak for conservative politics, please tell me why conservatives are apparently still supporting spending enormous amounts of tax dollars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I just don't understand the rationale.

Mixed bag and Indy Lib. If the country could work together like you too have managed with a respectful voice I think we could finally manage the crisis's at hand.

And the mantra goes on, spread by ignorants like you.

No tax money is used by ANYBODY to pay for abortions. Why don't you inform yourself instead of repeating the same lie that the Tea Party and ignorants like you are spreading?

Oh, Rasputin, the truth is SO inconvenient. Sel - why should MY tax dollars pay for Bush's ego-driven quest for oil in Iraq?

Information would just get in the way of the right-wing narrative, so sadly -- that's off the table.

Why should my tax dollars go to kill innocent people in other countries? It's a choice to invade a foreign country, not a right and if some are in favor of seizing the resources of other countries, they should pay for it , not me.

Well your taxes don't pay for anyone's abortion. What about that is hard to understand? Really, go read a newspaper for gosh sakes. Educate yourself.

Sel,

I'm not clear on your stand. Are you more upset about the act of abortion or that you may have to pay for it? Even though you are repeating a false, right wing, talking point, it sounds like you don't object as long as it doesn't come out of your wallet. The party of ME.

I find it interesting that you libs are SO determined to fund planned parenthood..that organization that accepts donations to kill black babies...but given the racist history of the democrat party its not really a surprise.

How many black, white, yellow, red and brown babies have you adopted Joe? I am white and have a child adopted who is not white and I support PP. As a young woman I used Planned Parenthood to prevent pregnancy, which is the responsible thing to do. This is not a racial issue. Planned Parenthood is there for every family. It is a family planning issue. You are ill-informed and ignorant and trying to say horrible things to insight hate. Typical of your party and not surprising, unfortunately.

PP is a great choice also for people that either don't have health coverage or glorified "discount" plans passing for health care that a lot of lower paying jobs offer their employees. Think before you decry,one day YOU may be a position that YOU need help or options until you can get back on your feet.And the way the economy is NOBODY'S job is safe or secure....

CE the truth hurts...and no surprise you support such a vile racist organization....you must be full of hate to support a group like that.

margaret sanger the founder of planned parenthood was racist as hell...and you progressive love her...hillary is awe of her...sickening.

What about the trillions we are spending on obamacare?

Get some real FACTS --- not Fox propaganda.

Do you even know what a trillion dollars is?

When you find your brain don't be alarmed if it looks like a goat's drop.

We don't need any government money going to PP. If you think they do noble work then you are free to make a donation. I don't want to be taxed to pay for their operation.

Crystal: I agree that abortion is abhorent. But, will you agree to adopt the 4,000 unwanted children that forced birthing will produce? Will you guarantee that Someone will adopt all those unwanted babies?

arrive: we've had abortions for 40 years...we still have all these unwanted kids...why is that?

Gee Joe...maybe it's because all the biblethumping rightwingers have removed the SEX ED programs from the schools... MURDER abortion providers and intimidate and threaten women who actually want/need an abortion, refuse to teach SEXUAL RESPONSIBILITY and EDUCATION to their own children and rely upon asinine concepts that DO NOT WORK like "abstinence". I'm sure I can think of more.

One day depending on how much is left intact...

smc: what BS and lies...I mean you're a walking talking point troll. I'm sure you can always think of more lies and BS.

no surprise you support an organization that takes money to kill black babies....

The Tan Man cleaned 0blamer and Reid's clocks. You won't find it on MessNBC but a month ago Reid was talking about anything more than $10 billion as being extreme. What is going to be interesting now is how Paul Ryan and the Tan Man help hand the 2012 election to the Repubs by "shellacking" Dirty Harry and 0blamer again.

Dream on.....now that Dems are totally riled up because of all the GOP lies and shenanigans they will be out in FULL FORCE come election time. AND w/the full support of Indies like me. If you think that we're going to let the party of nutbags take over... you've got another thing coming.

All those "christians" who denounce abortion as a sport have no problem in sending someone to death row (who might be not guilty, as proven by hundreds of DNA tests) or send our military to die in a foreign land in the name of democracy, and in the process kill a million civilians (Irak).

The hypocrisy of the right wingers is obscene, and Boehner is their poster child.

If elective abortions are such a good idea then why can't people pay for them? Why force me to fund your abortions because you didn't use birth control?

Bill, so should the patient pay for each and every surgical/medical procedure that doesn't directly result in saving that patient's life? Should elderly patients have to pay every penny for a new hip if it is only the "quality" of their life that is improved? Breast reconstruction after a mastectomy? Surely this is something the patient should pay every penny for, right? These are elective. Many women choosing to have non life-saving abortions do it because of rape, incest, poverty, financial hardship, etc. Should you be on a panel to decide when abortions are justified?

Besides, as people keep saying throughout this thread, the fed doesn't fund abortions. It is illegal for the fed to directly fund abortions, so really, we're talking about nothing. Adjust your blinders.

Bill,

Why force me to fund your abortions because you didn't use birth control?

A very sensible question. we all know that abortions become fewer when contraceptives are used. And that is where Planned Parenthood offers the solution. Planned Parenthood offers contraceptives to low income women. If Planned Parenthood were to be closed down, those women could not afford to have their prescriptions filled. You may want to pay a visit to a Planned Parenthood Clinic and find out about the services they offer to men and women alike.

Stevie, while I support your comment 100%, let me paraphrase what most conservatives would tell you "You hate America." From this liberal, however, nicely said.

America loves abortion!! How do you explain 53 million abortions since 1973? Surely, you know we can kill our unborn children up to the the day of delivery in every state. How do you explain Obama and Reid willing to shut the government down in order to fund a billion dollar for profit business, Planned Parenthood. Every 98 out of 100 pregnant women who enters PP kill their babiy. The only time a girl sees a doctor in PP is when her legs are spread and they are sucking out her baby limb by limb. Don't put blinders on as this is what goes on in those slaughterhouses. Birth control has been around for decades and readily available to everyone, yet millions of abortions have been and continue to be performed. Margaret Sanger the founder of PP was a racist and practiced eugenics. They targeted the blacks and Hispanics. The black population is 12% of the national population, yet 40% of all abortions are on black babies. They are committing genocide on their own people. New York City has a 41% abortion rate, and you guessed ccorrectly most are black babies. Google Kermit Gossell and you can read about a slaughterhouse he ran in PA. He and his cosmologist wife who acted as so called nurse with other members of his so called staff are charged with murders and numerous other felony counts. I'm angry at the continued abuse that women and minor girls are subjected to by PP and other psuedo clinics that claim to help women. The Germans stood by and did nothing even when they could smell the stench from burning bodies. Americans are doing the same. Abortion is the taking of the most vulnerable and innocent life. Abortion is an offering up to the Gods of selfishness. Abortion is murder. All these facts are available. Do some research.

Every 98 out of 100 pregnant women who enters PP kill their baby

First, do you have any documentation to support that allegation?

Second, if your allegation is true, would those abortions been prevented if the women had access to affordable contraceptives? You see that is really what is at issue here, the availability of low cost contraceptives for low income women. Birth control is the best way to prevent abortions.

Do you have a chart on the wall that keeps track of all the "facts" you make up, or do you need to make them up every time? You know, seeing something in print doesn't make it true, especially when you're the one who wrote it.

Rita,

You know all this about PP, I have to assume, since when you went there, you spread your legs and had them suck your baby out limb by limb.

Well not everyone go to them for that reason. You have your numbers backwards. 97% of the women who go to PP, goes for woman's health care, not abortions. So using vulgarity and lies does not change facts.

Honestly, I'm just pleasantly surprised Rita didn't find a way to blame this all on Muslims or gay people in her "episode."

Any high school kid knows where they can get free birth control

And where might that be?

Kids go the county health clinic. They hand it out like candy. Pleaseee..there are other women's clinics in cities that provide women's health care services that are not associated with Planned Parenthood. Women will not die if PP doesn't get 360 million from us taxpayers. Another lie.

there are other women's clinics in cities that provide health care services that are not associated with Planned Parenthood.

Tell me about them. Do they provided contraceptives for low income women?

Kids go to the county health clinic.

Not in my state. It is illegal to dispense a controlled substance to any under aged person with out parental consent.

Low income women should buy their own contraceptive or keep their legs closed.

Does that include low income married women?

Low income women should buy their own contraceptives or keep their legs closed.

Does that include low income married women? Sorry didn't mean to repeat this post.

Why wouldn't it? If you can't afford kids, it doesn't matter if your married or not. People have to be responsible.

So, are you saying that young people just beginning their married life should abstain from sex until they can afford to have children?

Rita, DARLING ... do you know how the "other" health clinics get the funds for low-cost birth control? THE SAME TITLE X THAT THE REPUBLICANS WANTED TO DE-FUND. See, they referred to it as "De-funding Planned PArenthood" but it was really ALL of Title X. So the county-run health clinics would also have been effected. Oh, you didn't KNOW that? Really? Imagine that. So in effect what the Republicans were doing was taking OUT the means by which any woman could get free or low-cost birth control. Also, you MUST live in a fairly urban area because otherwise you'd know that not EVERY COUNTY/PARISH in this country has a public health department that can dispense birth control at low to no cost.

In addition ... I've told you more than once (in a different thread) that I've personally been to Planned Parenthood back when I was in college for birth control, gyn services (annual exams) and STD testing after a rape. Whereas I'll bet that you have NEVER stepped one patrician foot inside the doors for fear you'd be "contaminated" by the low income people that are there.

Then again ... considering how many people have refuted your claims and how you continue to spew those same claims. I'm wasting my energy typing this since YOU DON'T LISTEN.

Cat,

You know I did not realize that until just last night. I did not know that the free clinics offered the same services. All the more reason to stand up for Title X. This is not about banning abortion, it is about banning contraceptives. And dear friend you are not wasting your energy, keep up the good fight.

Married couples don't have to abstain, they could use contraceptives. I feel they should have to pay for them themselves. I don't understand what your getting at. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for stuff that individuals need to be taking care of themselves. Denying Planned Parenthood federal money is not denying abortions or contraceptives to people. Planned Parenthood should exist on it's own or not at all. People have to take responsibility for the actions they take.

Cat, you are a great woman and have my respect.

Everyone is using the horrible abortion to malign PP. What about the aids and cancer screening? How about breast exams and pap smears? Or any other health problems affecting women? These are the things PP does.

For those who preach about birth control. What birth control offers 100% guarantee to work? Except of course tubal ligation, this to can reverse itself.

Rita grow up. PP doesn't need your tax dollars, they can have mine.

You must be a Muslim, communist, terrorist-Hitler with a gay agenda who hates freedom.

You forgot the L word: L I B E R A L. How awful!

If what I read on Fox News is correct, Liberal means "enemy of America and hater of liberty." Also, I understand that liberals want nothing more than the destruction of America, and to advance the mythical "liberal agenda." Man, will I ever be happy when Glenn Beck is off the air. That man is "dog barking at his own poop" crazy, and has really reduced the dialogue to conservatives only able to see liberals as cartoon approximations of their "enemy."

gopare.....that was so well-worded I am speechless. The vivid imagery is 100% accurate. Bravo.

Credit where due - I believe I have paraphrased the Rude Pundit (google him) for the dog barking.

You are right about the smoke screen but wrong about the deficit. If you think the tax breaks will balance the budget if they were reversed or even returned to the post WWII or even Clinton era levels, it would not even cover 10% of the current year budget deficit, let alone the monstrosity proposed for 2012.

Go to the government publishing site and get an education on the true size of government:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy09/hist.html

I'm pretty sure you meant exorbitant, but exurbanite is a cool word - someone who's moved out of a city perhaps?

To the men on these posts who say women should just keep their legs crosses. Why is it always the woman's fault. How about men keeping their pants zipped?

Republicans seem to have no memory past last Wednesday. Way back in ancient history, like November and December of 2010 they did everything they could to prevent the passage of a 2011 budget. Their talking point then - You shouldn't pass a budget with a Democratic majority congress because a lot of you are lame ducks. Why should you decide the future course of the country when WE won an overwhelming mandate in the election. GOP did everything they could to obstruct passage of a budget before their TeaParty warriors could take office in January.

Now all that is "inoperative" as they say. The theme now is - You had your chance to pass a budget in 2010 and didn't do it, so you should step aside and let us get our way on every issue. No wonder the country is in such a mess if half the voters don't remember or don't care what happened 3 months ago.

Robert - How did the Republicans block the passage of a budget in 2010? The Democrats had a huge majority in the Senate and the House.

Bill, That's also a common lie. Look at the numbers. At no point, due to illness, independents and other variables, did the conservatives have their true super-majority. The repubs were able to derail simple majority votes by voting as a bloc against ANYTHING the democrats proposed. Democrats propose putting out the fire that's consuming the building they're all standing in? No way!!!! Silent hold! Filibuster!!! Terrorism! Impeach!!

Also, the blue dogs (AKA jackass idiots) wanted to grandstand in their battleground states to appease the teabagger wingnuts and maybe try to prolong their time in office.

So, really, no....

The Dems didn't submit a budget to be passed. They knew they would lose even more seats if they passed 0blamer's $3.7 trillion monstrosity with $1.6 trillion in additional deficits. By not passing a budget they kept their majority in the Senate and it saved Dirty Harry Reid's seat in NV. Much as I hate to say it - they made the best of a bad situation that they were in. It wasn't good for America but no one is accusing the Dems of doing the best thing for America.

Hiya Black Belt......

The Dems had September...October...November...December to submit a Budget! However, bulldog Pelosi was finished illegally cramming obamacare down our throats (BEHIND closed doors with bribes & threats)..so she really didn't give a dam! And the rest were too busy campaigning!

As for Reid.....my parrot could have beat him.......unfortunately Sharon destroyed that happy event!

Sooooooo.....we are stuck with goofy Harry!

:-(

Yeah - running Sharon Angle was not a good move on the TP's part but had Dirty Harry debated 0blamers budget he would have even lost to her. Doesn't matter much now because the Dems don't stand a chance of holding on to the Senate in 2012.

You see? this is the information you get by watching American Idol and its dramatic events, that could impact the life of every american for years to come.

I am sure that Glen Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest of the scumbags would be proud of you and your sources of information. They might even call you to get some tips about the state of the economy and world events.

I think conservatives would have an argument if anything they said was actually true. You're right to criticize the evil "liberal" institutions for protecting the environment and protecting women's health. After all, as a conservative, you'd let the country go to hell if it'd save you a dime on your taxes.

Okolehao

Patience is a virtue. It's just a matter of time before liberal waste for liberal institutions are rolled back. NPR, EPA, Planned Parenthood (who doesn't provide mammograms as liberals claim and is nothing more than an abortion mill), will bow to the taxpayer instead of forcing the taxpayer to bow to them.

Ignorance is not a virtue, and you're displaying quite a bit of it.

ignorance is bliss

Okolehao,

Crank up the volume, twist off the knob crazy!

Except for women in the District of Columbia apparantly (who don't have a voice in Congress anyway), but it's only a 14 mile trip to Maryland or Virginia where the constitution is still in effect.

Is it OBamacare that says women can't have as many mamograms??? Just checking

Crystal: You really need to do some reading for gosh sakes. Gates and Buffet's millions don't pay for abortions anywhere (you have something against billionaires giving away their money to fund vaccines and mosquito nets in third world countries? Really?) And while you're at it....get yourself a copy of the Constitution...and a copy of the Roe v Wade (hint: no where in there will you find language that exempts women from the privacy clause who others think are "irresponsible").

I suspect that is the reason he "gave" them DC. 14 miles is nothing compared to having to drive 100s of miles in some places now that it is getting more difficult to have an abortion in some states, where they are trying desperately to take away a woman's right to choose-whether her life is in danger or not.

Okolehao--About that EPA? I didn't know that clean air and water was a liberal thing...

Is it OBamacare that says women can't have as many mamograms???

No.

Okolehao--About that EPA? I didn't know that clean air and water was a liberal thing...

Must be...but a little pollution is a small price to pay when it comes to the rich gracing us with the bounty that comes from the "Trickle-Down Miracle".

Kathryn,

Any Senior on the program now will not be effected. His is a plan as they go forward

Riiiiiiiiiight...wink-wink, nudge-nudge.

Yes -- IF the Democrats quit laying down and take control of the narrative on this, for a change. They've managed to let the Repubs frame every argument. Nothing proves that better than the Teabag "get your gov't hands off my Medicare!" signs.

Well .. in order to take the narrative one would actually have to propose and pass a budget. Oh I forgot, they did not do that in 2010 before the year started in October. They were too busy. Then they did not do it after the fiscal year started. Then they complained about the lame duck tactics after the November election and now they wonder why the right wing is injecting the moral agenda into the fiscal debate.

It is all to predictable. The Dem's are usually right on social issues and unfortunately dead wrong on fiscal issues. The problem comes home to roost in how to pay for the social agenda when we are in dire fiscal straights.

The Independent-2245816

Well .. in order to take the narrative one would actually have to propose and pass a budget. Oh I forgot, they did not do that in 2010 before the year started in October.

Obama submitted the 2011 budget in February 2010.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-friends-anchor-falsely-reports-that-president-obama-did-not-submit-a-budget/

Pass a budget? Not when the Repubs wouldn't allow it. They had no reason to vote for a budget: they had a good idea that with the election less than a month away, they'd gain seats in the new Congress. When they won control of the House, they had no reason to do anything but stall.

from Dec 23, '10:

Surprising almost no one, on Tuesday Congress passed a short-term continuing resolution (CR), funding government for another few months and delaying passing a budget for the 2011 fiscal year. Over the past week or two, it became obvious that Democrats did not have enough votes to pass a year-long budget of some kind, either as a CR or as an omnibus. Republicans blocked any effort to pass a long-term spending bill, instead lobbying for a short-term CR, which in this case will last until March 4, 2011. With the budget delayed until next year, Republicans will theoretically have more of an influence over it, since they will have more power in the next Congress.

While it is common for federal budgets to be completed after the start of the fiscal year, it’s somewhat less common for budgets to take this long.According to THOMAS, the Library of Congress’ bill tracking site, Congress was unable to complete a federal budget on time in any of the last fourteen fiscal years (including FY 2011). Only one of those budgets, however, took until March to be finished.

http://www.ombwatch.org/node/11434

I wish I had a million votes for this... see if you ever disagreed with bush or any of their tea party compatriots you hate America and Freedom, but disagree with their bible and america needs to be destroyed for it. Freedom only applies as long as we listen to their god, reminds me of some other religious fanatics...

Mothers of America killing 53 million of their babies since 1973 is nothing to be pround of. It's barbaric!

@Rita...but you and the rest of the wingnuts wouldn't give a rat's ass if was 53 million 18+ yr olds dressed in battle camouflage.

You should find it, its a great station, no matter what limbaugh says. It has interesting information from the world of science, politics and even art. I remember the last program I really enjoyed was on a doctor who was interpreting dolphin noises and was creating a virtual alphabet of communication. There is very little advertising, and all the programs are not driven by profit but by interest instead.

It's important to note that NPR started getting attacked after they had a special on the article from the NYT about the Koch Brothers (Soros as well btw, but the Koch brothers demand to be in secrecy), sounds like they didn't like the publicity.

The other half or your homey example is missing - the ability to increase your income. In a personal budget squeeze, an obvious tactic is to look for a higher paying job, and increase your income, but in the national budget debate increasing tax receipts is somehow off the table, forbidden to be even considered. Yet there are very wealthy corporations and individuals who pay NO TAX because they work the system. Sure the corporate tax rate is high in the US, but it only applies to taxable income. If you have hundreds of tax lawyers who not only study the tax law for loopholes, but also help write the law that creates the subsidies and exemptions for your industry, your taxable income can be zero, and you owe 35% of that in taxes.

Shhhhhh! Robert, the little people aren't supposed to know that.

Indy, A lot of people are aware of how little most large corporations pay. I am very mad about it but it doesn;t get of media coverage. A lot of people are aware that Wall St and the bakers destroyed this economy. But since they both fund Dems and Reps nothing is done about it. Try looking up who actually owns The Federal Reserve a lack of information is startling only one Google site actually lists the owners an the other sites are 3-4 yrs old. Where do we go with our frustration.

the top 10% of earners pay 70% plus of the Federal Income Tax - up from 65% in 2005. Isn't that enough for you? The top 25% pay 90% - 50% pay zero - does that seem right?

No... the top 10% should be paying MUCH more...seeing as that top 10% make 80% of the money and the bottom 50% don't make enough money to pay taxes after their measly personal exemption and deduction for family members. The rich may pay 70% of the taxes but they don't pay NEARLY what they SHOULD be paying because of deferred investments, loopholes, tax havens, write offs, donations, which reduce their taxable income DRASTICALLY. And then there's the fact that most of the top 2% don't EARN their income so it's only taxed at 15%... the part that's left over after all of the above. Frankly ALL of their income should be taxed and they shouldn't get ANY write offs , etc other than what the rest of us get.... a personal exemption and the standard deduction for dependents. THEN and ONLY THEN would they be paying anything close to their "fair share".

smc: more BS and lies I see...the rich pay more than their adjusted gross income..but you libs never let facts get in the way of your ideology....you should thank the rich for taking care of your lazy a**

As the data below show, incomes reported by tax returns at the high end of the income spectrum plummeted from 2007 to 2008, as did their share of the nation's income and income taxes paid. In 2008, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 38.0 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 20.0 percent of adjusted gross income, compared to 2007 when those figures were 40.4 percent and 22.8 percent, respectively. Both of those figures—share of income and share of taxes paid—were their lowest since 2004 when the top 1 percent earned 19 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI) and paid 36.9 percent of federal individual income taxes.

http:/ /www.taxfoundation.org /news/show/250.html

SMC, Does that include John Kerry's yacht?

nice, keep on with the "Tea Bagger" talk and the "extremist" talk and the "wing nut" talk.. every time someone regurgitates this lazy attack on regular Americans who are concerned about the future of their country as it relates to spending, deficits and taxes - everyone (including independents) sees right through your propaganda.

Your calling their mom, their neighbor, their friends and their coworkers these ridiculous names. Even people like myself who aren't part of any Tea Party share much of their view and greatly appreciate their presence and voice in the debate

It happened in November and its going to happen again in 2012. Great job Tea Party, keep up the good work and don't let them get to you!

Dave - ha ha ha - that is a good one. JFK wouldn't be a Democrat today and if he still around he wouldn't be supporting this socialist. Jimmy Carter is doing cartwheels that he is no longer considered the worst POTUS ever!

Hey black belt . Do you think the teapublicans would vote for regan . No way "too liberal " His policies were closer to Obama's than Beaner's .