Budget chief: 'Agencies are instructed to continue their normal operations'

When the clock struck 12:01 am ET on Saturday morning, only one chamber of Congress had officially approved a short term measure to keep the government running.

The House had just reconvened to briefly debate a temporary six-day measure that would officially avert a government shutdown, but had not yet voted. (The Senate earlier approved the stopgap bill by voice vote. )

So was the government technically shut down for a few minutes before the House passed the bill and the president signed it?

Nope, per the Office of Management and Budget, which issued this guidance via email at 12:01 am ET.

"We expect the House to take up the CR shortly and for the President to sign this CR no later than tomorrow," wrote Obama budget director Jack Lew wrote in a memorandum. "As a result, at this time agencies are instructed to continue their normal operations."

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The tea party tweeted Jonh Boehner has betrayed us !

  • 9 votes
#1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:30 AM EDT

I'm glad there is an agreement, but I'm sad that the President and the Democratic Party took a position that showed they would allow the cut-off of funds to our military (to men and women risking their lives in Afghanistan) before they would let Planned Parenthood take a funding cut...it seems to send the message that we "Care more about Planned Parenthood than we do of you"!

Yes I know that the Republicans set this choice up delibertly as such...but why then didn't the Senate pass a bill only funding the military...they could have done that and the house would have had to respond to it. That would have shown that we Democrats, and the President, are putting our military men and women first!

No matter where you stand on this when you consider the sacrifices of our troops in the field of battle and the recent relevations about Planned Parenthood's many ethical lapses....well it just doesn't look good. To anyone in our military who may have been offended please know this...all of America supports you...the same cannot be said for Planned Parenthood.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:03 AM EDT

Kenn the Dem

Kenn the Dem

No matter where you stand on this when you consider the sacrifices of our troops in the field of battle and the recent relevations about Planned Parenthood's many ethical lapses....well it just doesn't look good

Neither does it look good for Republi-clowns to feign faux apprecition for the troops just to hold American hostage to their sick LIES about Planned Parenthood. Don't forget these are the same clowns who voted to cut non-military federal spending, including veterans benefits once T-baggers got into power in the House.

It might surprise you to know House Democrats tried three times to pass a measure that would ensure the troops received pay. The Republicans overwhelmingly opposed every single “troop-funding” opportunity.

What is more unethical than denying women and men the services such as contraception, HIV and StD assistance, mammograms, checkups for cancer which usually is paid on on a sliding scale?

FYI: if it's tax payer dollars you think PP uses; you're wrong. The HYDE amendment doesn't allow it. We went through this in the healthcare debate.

No thanks to wingnuts the government is could have taken care of the business long ago.

Did you deliberating make up this Lie about Planned Parenthood or are just repeating right wing talking points

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:56 AM EDT

"Business as usual", we just continue to spend ourselves deeper and deeper into debt.

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:09 AM EDT

Beverly the ethical lapses I am referring to were filmed...it's not a lie... and it was much discussed by Keith Olberman, Rachael Maddow, Ed Schultz. et. al. Specifically it was a sting by Lila Rose and LiveAction.org. In the film "Joe" and "Gia" pose as a pimp and his prostitute. seeking to arrange contraception, STD testing and treatment, and abortions for their underage prostitutes. I think most of america probably saw that film. If it was a lie why did Planned Parenthood fire the employees involved?

Democrats Beverly, not just Republicans find the actions shown in the film offensive; and I for one think for myself.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:19 AM EDT

If you listened to any other news scource than Fox and hate radio you would have heard that this film to which you refer was edited and patched to appear that this was the case. Another patch job promoted by a network that survives by broadcasting propoganda rather than substance.

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:37 AM EDT
yosoloDeleted

The real fun hasn't even begun yet. Next up on the Washington DC comedy circuit is the debt ceiling battle. THAT one will be HILLARIOUSLY FUNNY watching the Dems cave in to more spending cuts. These spending cuts are ripping the lefty liberal's hearts out and all I can say is:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:17 AM EDT

Well,let's see:

Boehner got close to $40billion in actual cuts- a total of $78billion with cuts to spending Obama wanted,

D.C. Can no longer use tax money to pay for abortions, (and, no, I did not know they had an exemption to the Hyde Amendment, either),

And Harry Reid is now forced to bring a vote on repealing Obamacare and defunding Planned Parenthood to the floor of the Senate.

Boehner also got the audit of Obamacare spending, and the private, billion dollar club that is supposed to oversee the financial sector.

He got full disclosure on who got waivers to Obamacare, and why.

Read here
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/52850.html

Sounds like Boehner did okay. Take a little gander at the Washington Post stores- Ezra Klein is having apoplexy. Obama and Reid can talk all they want about "victory"- but Boehner cleaned their clocks.

Next up-2012 budget.

And the debt ceiling.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:43 AM EDT

Since you were all up so late, here is the link to Klein's article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/2011-is-not-1995/2011/04/06/AFxPaT5C_blog.html

Enjoy!

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:56 AM EDT

The dumocrat's got there PP's spanked last night after they failed since 2008 to launch a budget for their extreme and wild spending spree, which has sent this country into an out of control spin causing our tax dollars to go for programs that have no business being funded. As far as our service men and women go, which I myself am a wounded Veteran from Desert Storm. We have no business being over in Iraq or anywhere at war right now. We can't even solve our own problems here in our own Country, what gives this Government the right to fix problems in other Countries.

The Dums also did what they said they would never do last night and that was to allow the House to vote on whether or not to defund health care and planned parent hood. You Dumocrats are backed into a corner because it is easy to see that if your weak leaders would not have allowed those to be voted on in the future for defunding, then you would have got the blame for Government shutdown which would have been devastating to your political futures. This hand was forced for a reason, and your precious Dumocrat leaders had no choice but to bow down and allow future defunding of those two harmful programs. Get used to it Dums, your days are numbered.

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:18 AM EDT

Those Republican -Tea Bagger thugs were using the military as a hostages. SHAME.

What a woman chooses in her life is none of you Damm business. No federal tax payer dollars go to pay for abortions. That so simple, a 12 year can understand. Why can’t you people.

Remember, planned Parent Hood will never be defunded and to do so is an attack on women.

You always say keep government out of your life. Well?

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:51 AM EDT

Republican J

Nope you got it wrong. The Tea Baggers Republicans would have been blamed. Also, thank W. Bush for us being in Iraq and Thank President Obama for ending the fighting there and getting the troops on the move out.

Also, The President will win in 2012.

    #1.12 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:58 AM EDT

    lol, just as long as there are ignorant people like yourself who want to destroy what America stands for, there will be people like myself to step on your heads and squash the evil you dums stand for. As far as the President in 2012, Trump will be that man who stands for the American dream and freedom. Sorry Dums, but you have created enough damage to this Country as the people majority has shown you. Planned barren hood will be defunded as well as Obama care. Planned parent hood has nothing to do with woman staying healthy. It is what they stand for and that is killing innocent unborn children who have the right to live just like you do.

    This Country has gone to hell every since you dums have taken over and that time is drawing near to the end. The man you voted for to run this Country is no leader and is weak, that is why you are failing and this Country is on a crash course to destruction. We, the true americans will not let you destroy this Country anymore as this was clearly shown to you last night, this is only the beginning, grab your ankles, you are about to get screwed as you have tried to screw this Country.

      #1.13 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:41 PM EDT

      Republican J

      Just remember, all conservatives aren’t stupid. However, most stupid people are conservatives.

        #1.14 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

        lol, that remark shows the intelligence and mind set of most thinking Dumocrats. It is futile to try to reason with you dums and that is why it took so long for a budget settlement which should have been completed years ago when your wonderful dumocratic presidents started their spending spree and giving all the stimulas money away to bail out the radical left wing instead of taking care of business.

        You dums all have one thing in common, you don't have a clue how to run congress and you sure do not have what it takes to lead a Country and that is a proven fact. The only good thing to all this is, the people now see this and as I said above, your days at hand are numbered.

          #1.15 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 4:19 PM EDT

          @Sam23 post 1.5; I'm not buying it Sam; and I get most of my news from MSNBC. If it was a total patch job, completely fabricating the facts, why did Planned Parenthood fire those employees? I believe the truth is either that Planned Parenthood does not have complete control over their organization, or they are completely out of touch with main stream America.

          • 3 votes
          #1.16 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:29 PM EDT

          I guess, once a Tea bagger, always a Tea bagger. Not a lot of brains. Oh well.

            #1.17 - Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:51 PM EDT

            Considering what the "brains" have done for us" (done to us?) some tea...in moderation...might be a good thing!

            • 1 vote
            #1.18 - Sun Apr 10, 2011 5:41 PM EDT

            Rofl, The New Constitution.

            If a conservative doesn't like guns, they dont buy one.

            If a dumocrat doesn't like guns, they want all guns outlawed.

            If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don't eat meat.

            If a dumocrat is a vegetarian, they want all meat products banned for everyone.

            If a conservative is down-and-out, they think about how to better their situation.

            A dumocrat wonders who is going to fund and take care of them.

            If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, they switch channels.

            Dumocrats demand that those they don't like be shut down.

            If a conservative is a non-believer, they don't go to church.

            A dumocrat non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

            (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)

            If conservatives decide they need health care, they go shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.

            A dumocrat demands that the rest of us pay for theirs.

            If a conservative reads this, they will forward it so their friends can have a good laugh.

            A dumocrat will delete it because their "offended."

              #1.19 - Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:55 PM EDT

              And if a conservative doesn't know their facts, they just throw out a lot of garbage.

                #1.20 - Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:55 AM EDT

                I know I piss you off and that is my intention. Nevertheless as a dumocrat, you keep falling into it. That is why we call you dumocrats.

                  #1.21 - Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:41 AM EDT

                  Republican J

                  Actually, I think you guys are quite funny. That's why we call your type, Tea baggers- Tea tards.

                    #1.22 - Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:28 AM EDT
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                    Micky Bachmann is disappointed with Boehner !.... to funny !

                    • 9 votes
                    Reply#2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:39 AM EDT

                    The entire Tea Party is on one Twitter account?HARD TO BELIEVE.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:40 AM EDT

                    Good, now I can get my teams back to work. This screwed up our schedule, and robbed us of time.

                      Reply#4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:44 AM EDT

                      Harry and Barak taking credit for an historic cut in spending. Hilarious.

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:00 AM EDT

                      this is the ending most Americans want to see..congress must work together.....great job Mr. President...great job Dem and great job GOP.....but NO thanks to Tea baggers....this group is the main trouble for this entire negotiation...

                      • 9 votes
                      Reply#6 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:06 AM EDT

                      Thanks to the Teabaggers this got done. There would have been no cuts without them. Great job Teabaggers!

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:23 AM EDT

                      Thanks MR. President, that is true multi-tasking, that is true leadership. People that want to see America live up to its purpose must stay vigilante. The extreme left and right will always want things their way or the highway. That is the purpose of extreme people, without them I might be so be defined as extreme. Extremism feeds on selfishness, fear and greed; let us not enable their addiction!!

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:26 AM EDT

                      I agree with that. I'm hoping that the Tea Bagger party goes away soon.

                        #6.3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:04 PM EDT

                        We the tea party, plan to be your worst nightmare, get used to disappointment Job1, you have much more coming.

                          #6.4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:18 PM EDT

                          We are not afraid of the Tea Party. They are a bunch of people that were raised by their grandmothers and handed everything. A good "Boo" will scare them away. China will tell them what to do, they have no control. They will discover that soon.

                          • 1 vote
                          #6.5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT

                          Sure your affraid. Simply because all your hopes and plans to set this Country on a continued crash course will be stopped. It's OK to be scared, if I supported the Liberial movement I would be scared also. That is what happens when you support evil, evil is fear.

                            #6.6 - Mon Apr 11, 2011 5:01 PM EDT
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                            In America that is a blank check. I would like an itemization of what my counter intelligence trash at the FBI does every day using gross incompetence to conceal military rule where the President can destroy any subject he wants - using no reality law from the bottom and fantasy intelligence from the top - where the people's minds around a target get raped probing and mentally flattening each other.

                            @!$%#, even questioning their policy is to Taboo for the land of the free.

                            Over the last 10 years they can count the real bad guys they caught on one @!$%#in hand.

                            Once a guy almost made it to China with night vision.

                            My @!$%#in world would have ended.

                              Reply#7 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:09 AM EDT

                              Pfffttt...we will be back to this same spot next year.......our government could care a $h!t about us...they just care about keeping their $174,000 a year paycheck flowing without interuption.....We The People are still gonna get the $h!t end of the stick in the long run....I will wait 4 more years for any reasonable response to this post.

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#8 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:42 AM EDT

                              I wonder if you Americans really understand what a relief it is to the rest of the world to see someone so balanced, wise and reasonable as Barak Obama as President? Every time he travels OS he charms foreigners and heals rifts created by shocking past foreign policies. His affect on Indonesia was astounding in a trip less than 24 hours! This country has the biggest Muslim population in the world and so many disliked USA. Now so many have changed there minds and this is reflected in Egypt and the Middle East. Please, don't be swayed by the extremist Tea Party element and for god's sake (and the world's) RE-ELECT OBAMA! Amanda (Australian living in Indonesia)

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#9 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 1:52 AM EDT

                              I have been overseas many times and the world loves President Obama. I can’t tell you how many times when people find out that I’m an American, they give thumbs up and say “Obama.”

                              On the other hand they want to know when President Bush is going to jail.

                              • 2 votes
                              #9.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:06 PM EDT
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                              Holy $h!t batman, did I just read Amanda's entry correctly??

                              Sorry, but I for one do not care what other countries think when it comes to electing our officials.  And to answer her question, the only reason why Barry can calm down muslims, because he is one himself.  He claimed to be one when talking with the news anchor on ABC, George Stephanopolis (sp).

                              And I knew that the repuglicans didn't have the gonads to stand up to the democraps.  WE need major cuts in government waste NOW.  Maybe I am just being selfish, but I work for a federal tax agency and most of the people I work with agreed that a shutdown needs to happen.  This agreement is just posturing and it needs to stop now.  In 2012, the people need to make their voices heard again, LOUDLY AND CLEARLY!!

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#10 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:41 AM EDT

                              Zoo CREW, I also live overseas and Amanda is right. You need to look outward once in a while. The rest of the world is important and what they think of us is also important. GW gave us a very bad name in most of the world, and Obama is now repairing the damage.

                              • 7 votes
                              #10.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 2:50 AM EDT

                              All of those that want a government shut down should bring the troops home from the war zone and buy themselves a pair of boots and head for the war zone volunteering for no pay due. You should leave your families behind and tell them to make due and figure out how to pay the mortgage. Us reasonable people expect our government to work together and compromise. Democrats and Republicans are being paid to keep our government operating and to be able to work through their political differences for the good of our country. Instead they threaten the military community's livelihood. The men and women who protect the nation and our national interest. What they have done both sides is cruel and pathetic.

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:30 AM EDT

                              Your right....I WILL MAKE MY VOICE HEARD IN 2012......I will vote for President Obama....again.

                              • 1 vote
                              #10.3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 3:49 AM EDT

                              ZooCREW ...

                              So, what is your point?

                              George W Bush, during his interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006, said: "During these last few months, I've been trained by Al'qaeda!"

                              Not enough for you? How about another one of GWB’s brilliant responses? This was in the same interview, again with Katie Couric: "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. Not one doubt in my mind, that we will fail."

                              While it is a great relief to the country and to the world that GWB, affectionately known as Dubya and another hundred names, is no longer President of the United States, we sure do miss those zingers!

                              Of course, in reading your post, it never entered my mind that you could possibly make a slip of the tongue. It would be interesting to see how you would get through an intense interview televised for all the world to see. Yea, right!

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:38 AM EDT

                              And to answer her question, the only reason why Barry can calm down muslims, because he is one himself.

                              So what if he is?

                              (Which he's not...or maybe he is...but maybe he's also a "radical Christian" with Jeremiah Wright...or maybe he's both...but I think we've cleared up that he's not.)

                              • 2 votes
                              #10.5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:39 AM EDT

                              "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - President George W. Bush, 8/5/2004

                              • 5 votes
                              #10.6 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:42 AM EDT

                              Charles --- I didn't know Bush had anything to do with this budget. Oh that's right when you can't THINK of anything to say knee JERK response Bush AHHHHH Palin. The mindless are you still going after Quayle?

                              Couric is so good she is looking for a new job.

                              • 1 vote
                              #10.7 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:44 AM EDT

                              Zoo CREW,

                              You must be one of those Tea Bagger Birther Racist. Oh well, the KKK is also losing membership. Your kind will too.

                              • 3 votes
                              #10.8 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:09 PM EDT
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                              everyone one please shut the hell up and pay us....stupid fools how hard is it to go...this chuck goes to active duty military...all in favor...I!! done, President Obama, Bush, Sen Ried WHO CARES get it done fast and properly! I have to or people die! yeeeesh...

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#11 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 6:29 AM EDT

                              NONE of this would have happened if the last 3 Republican presidents had not signed TWENTY deficit riddled budgets and pushed thru tax cuts for the wealthy that all resulted in $11T debt!

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#12 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 6:58 AM EDT

                              Ironically Harry Reid and the President were aware that Boehner needed a face-saving strategy that would allow him to cut a deal. They were fairly understanding of the Speaker's position and I hope this kind of sensitivity goes both ways in the budget discussions to come over the 2012 budget.

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#13 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 7:36 AM EDT

                              give me a break! this was a a stage show for the dems!

                                #13.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:56 AM EDT

                                Has anyone else been thinking what I am? The rider about planned parenthood (abortion funding), which was so important that they would shut the government down over, was bought off for 1Billion $ !!

                                So much for your principles Mr. Boehner, kind of like an auction, sold to the highest bidder, in this case 1B$. Anyone else??

                                • 2 votes
                                #13.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:29 AM EDT

                                Mr. Boner had no choice. He is not in control. You people don't get it!! We are owned by China. The Tea Party would have never done this deal unless threatened. They would have never done this deal. Think about how much we owe China. They will vote to raise the debt ceiling with a little show, but it will pass with no riders. Mark my words.

                                  #13.3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:44 PM EDT
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                                  It is funny that they put quotes around "Normal Operations". This looks quite Freudian to me, as nothing about the Obama administration is Normal Operations. This whole thing was a Stage Production so that Barry could end up looking like the "great mediator". Guess what Barry? Your peeps were supposed to have this budget passed LAST OCTOBER! Way to go Barry. Put the whole country in an uproar so you could look like Moses leading the flock out of the desert. You are a bufoon.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#14 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:28 AM EDT

                                  Obama Saves The Day!!! Coincidentally in the same week he announces his reelection campaign. Give me a break.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#15 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:29 AM EDT

                                  Exactly!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #15.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 8:55 AM EDT
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                                   Mr. Northam:  Mitch McConnell FILIBUSTERED the Dem attempts at a 2011 budget more than once.  If he had not done so, a budget would be in place and all this would not have been necessary.  Of course, you wouldn't like their budget, but to say that they FAILED in their attempts is simply not true.  The Dems were prevented from doing so.

                                  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#16 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:19 AM EDT

                                  Harry Reid said that Joe Biden was really angry. I got news for Harry - there are millions of Americans who are damn mad that you didn't get a budget passed last October when you democrats controlled the House with Pelosi, the White House with Obama and you supposedly running the Senate. The first people who should take a cut in their pay and benefits are the members of the Congress and headed by the Commander-in-chief and his entire staff. That would be true leadership not just selfishness.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#17 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:30 AM EDT

                                  The president has to move to the middle to get re-elected. Congress has to compromise to get out of a tight spot (which is their own fault to begin with). Seems to me if we voted for more MODERATES we would avoid ALL of this nonsense. What we need is LESS legislation so that we can all live our lives the way we want to. And the govenment can fund and run the ESSENTIAL services that we all need. (Just like it says in the constitution.)

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#18 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:41 AM EDT

                                  Go ahead boys and girls, spend just lke it grows on trees.

                                    Reply#19 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:49 AM EDT

                                    Think Progress:

                                    But a look at those two deals suggests Republicans are not as interested in cutting the deficit as they claim. In both cases, Democrats made big concessions on key Republican agenda items — tax and spending cuts — in the face of intransigent opposition from the GOP. But while the appropriations deal from last night cuts $38.5 billion in spending over the next six months (through the end of the fiscal year in September), the tax cut deal deprives the government of roughly $150 billion in revenue over a similar period of time.

                                    Extending the Bush tax cuts "would result in a $200 billion to $300 billion cost to the US Treasury compared to what had been expected" in one year — or $100 to $150 billion in six months. So while they very nearly shut down the government to extract painful spending cuts, Republicans had already wiped out those spending cuts many times over with the revenue lost from extending the Bush tax cuts.

                                    ___________________________

                                    I am happy that the government didn't shut down. I am unhappy with this "deal". How many jobs are these cuts going to cost? Does anyone know? Yes, I know. We have to all sacrifice.

                                    And of course, we the working people must sacrifice so that the rich can have their tax breaks.

                                    Sorry. This is horrible. The GOP obviously are not interested in cutting the deficit. As far as Planned Parenthood goes, this looks very similar to what is going on with the unions. PP gives 99% of their campaign donations to the Democratic Party.

                                    Is President Obama a liberal, a progressive, a blue dog, a moderate? What is he? Because this "deal" sounds like something he would have been dead set against as a candidate. He would have looked out at the crowd and said - We need to stop this.

                                    What's next? SS? Medicare? Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

                                    A person can only take so much President Obama. Just because the TP is angry does not make this a victory for you. Or us. You know. Us? The ones who sacrificed money we did not have to get you elected. Us. The ones who sacrificed vacation and sick days and personal time to get you elected. Time taken away from work, family & friends. Time and money we were happy to sacrifice.

                                    So that this madness would stop.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    Reply#20 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:58 AM EDT

                                    Well, Pat, congratulations. You see through the speechifying to the truth- Obama lost. Big time.

                                    So did Reid, who now has to bring the repeal of HCR to the floor of the Senate for a vote- a vote he seems to know he will lose, given that he adamantly opposed it.

                                    D.C. School children have their vouchers back, thanks to Speaker Boehner. You remember that the democrats cut that program immediately after Obama was inaugurated, do you not? Looks like republicans care more about the education of poor children than democrats, doesn't it?

                                    Were you aware thAt, prior to this agreement, D.C. Was exempted from the Hyde Amendment? I was not. Not any longer.

                                    And, if P.P. Has the money to contribute to campaigns, it makes the argument that they do not need tax dollars to function.

                                    Boehner proved his mettle- he bearded the lion in it's den.

                                    Good for him.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #20.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:05 AM EDT

                                    no joe: Stuff it. Your party and people like you make me sick. You don't give a crap about anyone but the rich.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #20.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:09 AM EDT

                                    Pat Boston MA

                                    no joe: Stuff it. Your party and people like you make me sick. You don't give a crap about anyone but the rich.

                                    Got that no joe? If not I'll repeat...Stuff it

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                                    Good Morning Pat

                                    I am unhappy with this "deal". How many jobs are these cuts going to cost? Does anyone know? Yes, I know. We have to all sacrifice.

                                    I am too. I'm even more unhappier of the media portraying our President as some one who got his clock cleaned; Boehnoer won blah, blah, blah and so on and so forth.

                                    One thing I paid particular notice to was when the President said this was "the largest annual spending cut in our history". I wondered why is emphasizing it? All that did was give the critics more reason to exclaim Boehner's victory. There has to be some method to touting this madness from the President.

                                    Maybe he meant no more???

                                    Is President Obama a liberal a progressive, a blue dog, a moderate? What is he? Because this "deal" sounds like something he would have been dead set against as a candidate. He would have looked out at the crowd and said - We need to stop this.

                                    What's next? SS? Medicare? Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

                                    President Obama is sharp enough to know that would be political sucide. I don't think the President has forgotten where he came from. There was a time in life he lived on food stamps.

                                    What I do anticipate is a bitter bitter struggle.

                                    You know all the signs are on the Wall, when Rove, Gringrich, and even dizzy @aa Michelle Bachmann wanted to avoid a shut down. the clowns are out in force to

                                    The republi-clown T-baggers knew the numbers were not on their side in addition to not wanting to take the blame which they so rightfully deserve.

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                                    #20.3 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:51 AM EDT


                                    It didn't save all my thoughts

                                    You know all the signs are on the Wall, when Rove, Gringrich, and even dizzy @aa Michelle Bachmann wanted to avoid a shut down. The clowns will be out in force to spend ,opps sorry maybe I should spell it spin, spin, spin instead ; just so they can inundate a belligerent and ueducated FOX NOISE audience with more LIES similar to the healthcare. Free"DUMB" Works and other T-Baggers will be getting their marching orders and LIES from the Koch Brothers a la Karl Rove etc.

                                    Just look at how many fools still think Tax dollars are going to Planned Parenthood despite the facts saying otherwise!!

                                    The republi-clown T-baggers knew the numbers were not on their side in addition the last debacle and not wanting to take the blame for it; which they so rightfully deserve.



                                    At the most recent summit, held in January at a Rancho Mirage, Calif., resort, the Kochs and their invited donors pledged to contribute $49 million towards an $88-million budget goal for policy and political projects planned for the 2012 election cycle, which were sketched out at the conference, according to a source with knowledge of the summit.

                                    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/02/11-1

                                    Pat, I just can't see the President succumbing to these scum

                                    bags; but it won't be easy when there is force out there to take people's income and the planet with with reckless abandon.

                                    The kochs are anti health and climate change.

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                                    #20.4 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:18 AM EDT

                                    I just love seeing these Tea Baggers get upset.

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                                    #20.5 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:17 PM EDT

                                    Me too!!! It's a hoot!! They can't do anything, they will see.

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                                    #20.6 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:47 PM EDT
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                                    Boehner and Reid, great job! I didn't think I would ever make that statement. It's about time congress worked together. We will need much more of this in the months ahead with the debt ceiling and next years budget. You have given me some hope! Thanks.

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                                    Reply#21 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:32 AM EDT

                                    Looks like republicans care more about the education of poor children than democrats, doesn't it?

                                    You don't honestly believe that, do you?

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                                    Reply#22 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:38 AM EDT

                                    The dems care too they want to keep their families on welfare to keep them as Zero Liability voters

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                                    #22.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 10:46 AM EDT

                                    They worked the deal, and that is important.

                                      #22.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:19 PM EDT
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                                      Well, seems that the battle is joined - but that the Democrats made the Republicans back down on their worst policy positions. Given that this fight is swiftly moving to the Ryan budget plan - which should be dumped completely and the Obama proposals taken up, instead - here's a post of the complete magazine-length article I recently completed about the Paul Ryan plan and its true implications:

                                      Phony Budget Battle: Right-Wing Political Goals
                                      Seek A New American Revolution

                                      PAUL RYAN'S "BUDGET" USES THE POPULIST VENEER OF "DEBT AND DEFICIT REDUCTION" TO COVER OVER A MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT POLICY OBJECTIVE: VIRTUAL ELIMINATION OF A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

                                      Ryan’s budget is the mechanism for obdurate anti-government factions to eliminate a major portion of American public institutions long despised by the ultra-right, targeted by the old John Birch Society - now reincarnated as the Tea Party - and set in place an entirely new foundation of philosophy of government.

                                      The Tea Party objective is to entirely revise the existing American “social contract” with one based on Jacksonian democracy, giving virtual “laissez faire” scope of individual or collective business behavior unhindered by law or regulation, guided by self-interest alone – and its accompanying caution, “caveat emptor,” or, let the buyer beware, and vesting power in the hands of those who have the will or resources to take and use it.

                                      This new “social contract” has little need or use for government at any level, and absolutely no justification for social programs of any kind provided by public finance or activity.

                                      This battle does not go back to the 2010, 2008, or 2006 elections. It has been ongoing since 1933 - and perhaps, a bit before. Some would say it began with Pope Leo XIII and his 1891 encyclical, Rerum Novarum, which demanded workers be paid “a living wage,” given benefits, and described other rights of workers as well as obligations of employers.

                                      The American “Social Contract” Since 1933

                                      Each major evolution of national government since the nation’s founding has operated on a basic assumption about the powers of government, rights of the people, and an overall concept of why the nation exists as well as what the nation wishes to accomplish – this is what “social contract” means.

                                      The “social contract” still largely in place now, but under attack, developed as the country battled through the Great Depression, World War II and into the Reagan Administration – when the first significant changes in at least policy actions undermined the way the “social contract” was addressed. Many features of this general understanding of national purpose and interest had been coming into being during the reformist periods under Presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, and Woodrow Wilson. A few contributions took place during the 1920’s, but the trends only coalesced into a coherent basis for government and public expectations during the Roosevelt Administration.

                                      It did not, initially, include large public debt, deficit spending, or many of the issues today under debate. It was more of a social policy driven by desperate need across the country, the visible failure of traditional leadership cadres in business and public office, internal attacks on the basic system of government by fascist and socialist promoters such as Huey Long and Dr. Francis Townsend, and the earlier scattered programs driven mainly by the Progressive Republicans in Congress.

                                      Herbert Hoover, after the Crash of '29, actually wanted to run up a very large deficit in his proposals to address the Great Depression, but was blocked by Republicans in Congress. Franklin Delano Roosevelt was indeed a far more conservative President at the outset who distrusted deficit spending. (For details, see Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal: 1932-1940 by William Edward Leuchtenburg , Feb 24, 2009.)

                                      Re-shaped Government Emerges Under Roosevelt
                                      and Successive Administrations

                                      Over his pre-war terms in office, President Roosevelt essentially re-created the Federal establishment and put in place many of the departments as institutions of a new American system of government. That system of government’s philosophy embraced the entire population, and included:

                                      • aid for the helpless,

                                      • food for the starving,

                                      • reward to the elderly for their years of work building the nation and its economy,

                                      • encouragement to the jobless,

                                      • protection for investors small and large from the schemes and frauds of the wily,

                                      • recognition of the arts as a vital and uplifting aspect of national culture,

                                      • assurance that farmers might survive drought, flood, other natural disasters, and despite world fluctuations in demand during a Depression, a minimum fair price for their products,

                                      • fairness for workers engaged in negotiations with employers,

                                      • defense against workplace exploitation of children and a minimum wage across the land,

                                      • support for small business growth and stability,

                                      • work, when none else was to be had, building and maintaining infrastructure of cities, counties, states, and the nation,

                                      • reform of the nation’s currency and financing structure, including an end to a “hard money” gold standard.

                                      As historians relate, from the very beginning, the New Deal achievements were under vicious attack from the Republican right, as well as a Populist segment of the Democratic Party. Some attacks ultimately were successful in the immediate post-war years, but not many.

                                      The most virulent opposition was to Social Security, claimed to be the leading edge of “socialism” and an unearned, undeserved prop for reckless, improvident people. That was (and remains) a claim that ignored the actual character of Social Security, which was not socialism but a public monopoly, a national pension insurance pool funded entirely by workers’ and employers’ contributions and kept completely separate from the national Treasury.

                                      Over succeeding Administrations, other Presidents (from Truman through Eisenhower, Nixon, and Carter) expanded the services and operations of the new public institutions, and added a few more – the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Cabinet-level U.S. Department of Education. New related programs included Head Start for lower-income children of pre-kindergarten age, and Medicare, established after a hard-fought political battle that ended in 1965. Later, health care for the poor was offered in the Medicaid program, and the extremely effective State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

                                      Ultimately, the civil rights campaigns, followed by efforts to expand full protections of the law to women, the disabled, and immigrants or refugees, also followed. Special attention to compensate for historical, economic, and social disadvantages suffered by a large majority of African-Americans led to preferential treatment for employment, public assistance, contracting with public agencies, college tuition subsidies and admissions, and other activities. Some of these same preferences later were extended to women and disabled persons.

                                      Each and every addition was relentlessly attacked as expansion of government power, intrusion into private business, handouts for undeserving parasites, and in certain cases, political payoffs to gain votes of groups such as unions, the urban poor, individual minority groups, and even “liberal” Hollywood celebrities. The special preferences intended to “equalize” opportunities inherently conflicted with concepts of dispassionate equality and aroused deep resentment among a fraction of the country.

                                      Operating Assumptions of the Post-1933 “Social Contract”

                                      All of these institutions and programs proceeded from the broad philosophy of government that emerged during the Roosevelt Administration.

                                      Overall, the “social contract” embraced the nation as a whole, under a Federalist principle rather than decentralized dispersion of all authority through the states, gave equal importance to all social classes of people, all racial and ethnic groups, and ultimately all persons regardless of gender, age, ability, origin, education, employment or many other distinguishing features.

                                      The overall import of this was that government existed to serve, protect, and enable as broadly as possible the diverse needs and interests of the entire population and the private institutions of that population.

                                      From that philosophy, several working principles had arisen:

                                      “the economy” did not exist apart from the nation and national interests, but rather was an integrated element of private and public life and thus an appropriate area for government interaction, including support for growth as well as regulation of practices,

                                      all participants in “the economy” had a stake in it and deserved to partake of its fruits - not merely bankers, investors, entrepreneurs, and stockholders, but also workers at every level, retirees and pensioners, small landholders or bank account depositors, insurance policy purchasers, and their many different dependents,

                                      everyone in America had a fundamental right to live safely in the society, free from hunger, sheltered, able to access medical care, offered opportunity for education and self-advancement, secure in safe and responsible workplaces, not in the sense of a socialist state, but rather with compassion and minimum support for the helpless and needy, as well as unobstructed pathways for the diligent, ambitious, thrifty, provident, gifted, and fortunate,

                                      diversity in all its aspects benefits the nation, but more importantly requires special public attention, because established attitudes about race, ethnic origins, native language and other features fly in the very face of “equality,” prevent access to the multiple opportunities and benefits of the greater society, limit the contributions of women, the disabled, and native-born minorities as well as of refugees and immigrants in the country and the community, and potentially create a burden on the greater society if people are targets of discrimination that represses their economic advancement,

                                      national stewardship vested in all levels of government included not merely protection of natural resources – air, land, water, plants and animals – but restoration as needed and possible of despoiled resources, and restraint on public and private interests where their actions continued or threatened future degradation,

                                      national investment ultimately repays itself in long-term, cost-effective results, whether by public or private entities, in education, workplace safety and in environmental systems, health and welfare of the disabled, disadvantaged and older people as well as mothers and children, promotion of arts and culture, natural resources restoration and protection, necessary public infrastructure and its maintenance, general public health, advanced science and technology, effective and adequate public safety organs (police, fire, courts and legal services), and as necessary in the public employment of workers, technicians, specialists, and highly-trained professionals to carry out the functions required to implement the investments.

                                      Reality vs Principle: Successes and Failures of Public Institutions

                                      Despite the breadth of the post-1933 “social contract” and the resulting operating assumptions that arose over time to guide public institutions, the reality of actually carrying out actions was far more difficult. Not only ideological opposition to the philosophy at times was fierce, but shifting political alliances at times turned proponents and opponents at one point into opposite positions at another. And, of course, for a long period racism and ethnic discrimination was a bold feature of opposition.

                                      Consider the issue of public education. A great many Americans now believe that public education is a costly failure that did not live up to the assumption that everyone would have access to quality education, or that investment in public education pays dividends in the long run. To test this presumption of failure, the review needs to begin nearly a half-century ago and see what actually took place – and whether educators “failed” or not.

                                      In the mid-1960’s, by and large American public education was successfully fulfilling the terms of the “social contract” and its operating assumptions. With the aid of Federal government initiatives, students were achieving greater heights in physical education, science, mathematics and language arts, graduating high school at higher rates, and attending either college or vocational education programs after completing high school.

                                      The Civil Rights movement’s steady success in eliminating segregated schools and compensating for long-segregated neighborhoods spread access to quality education. Equal opportunity requirements in the workplace as well as affirmative action requirements for public employment, private contractors seeking public business, and admissions standards at most colleges and universities expanded access for African Americans and women.

                                      “White flight” – to church schools

                                      None of this was accomplished without protracted conflict and smoldering resentment. Across the nation, one of the first refuges for offended or resentful people – some motivated by racism or social stereotypes, others by the idea that a special group was promoted ahead of others in apparent violation of a principle of dispassionate equality – was the private church school.

                                      Catholics for many years had agitated for either tax subsidies, tax exemptions or deductions for tuition costs, or other means of compensating for the burden parents took on when choosing to enroll their children in the private religious schools. This same goal soon arose among congregations of other denominations whose members had elected to leave the public education system.

                                      Concurrently, a movement to eliminate public school use of religious rites and forms was steadily succeeding, from displays of crosses or the Biblical Ten Commandments to daily prayers and, ultimately, school-sponsored pre-graduation gatherings at local churches for a religious service. For devoutly religious families, secularizing public schools was more than an affront – it was perceived as an “attack” on their religious beliefs.

                                      Schools as answers to social issues

                                      Nor were various social justice measures and secularization of public education the only challenges confronting schools. As understanding of how poverty and hunger affect children, and of how many children attended school hungry each day, initiatives tried to mitigate those effects. Free school breakfasts and lunches became available for great numbers of students – but not for every student. Special tutoring and counseling programs became available for “disadvantaged” students – but not always for every student.

                                      By the 1980’s, educators understood that a wealth of social ills affecting student performance, mental health, physical well-being, graduations rates, and potential criminal behavior all came to class every day, with each individual child. Special classroom requirements were created to attend to some of these factors, while administrators and other school officials were charged with attempting to ease some problems or intervene in specific ways.

                                      The character of teaching changed with these requirements, while bureaucratic duties imposed by legislators hostile to public education diminished the actual classroom time and preparation time available to teachers.

                                      And, of course, society was changing as well. The spread of drug use, criminal gangs, persistent poverty, continuous waves of immigrants needing to make difficult cultural and language adaptations, major changes in the nation’s economic structure, developments in technology, and more meant the schoolyard was increasingly dangerous and divided. After all, society is reflected in classroom populations.

                                      “We won’t pay” for social programs in schools

                                      In the midst of such challenges, rising resentment toward public schools, staff and students from disgruntled religious or politically-conservative families showed up at the school board elections and meetings, in state legislatures, and in Congress. Many school budgets were cut – or public funds for education were diverted to private schools through “voucher” programs justified because reputedly the public schools were not meeting expectations.

                                      Teachers were pilloried, regardless of their skills or failures. Administrators were targeted as wastrels in a perceived “bloated” public education system – even though, as in Los Angeles, the inner-city schools often had leaky roofs, desks and chairs breaking apart when students sat, too few textbooks per class, and often even those in poor condition, and so few standard school supplies that private donors were asked to help.

                                      In such an atmosphere of distrust and confrontation, opponents of public education decided that it was “failing,” although one certain means to make public education “fail” is to starve it of the funds and support essential to success.

                                      Public education not even a job of government

                                      Ideological enemies of public education now deny that government should even have such a role – and in the sheep’s skin of “helping turn our schools around,” the wolves would eliminate this element of the existing “social contract” through cynical restrictions of funding and unrealistic, unworkable, self-defeating requirements that distort the education process. At present in Florida, the new ultra-conservative Governor Rick Scott essentially proposes “privatizing” public education.

                                      But there have certainly been great success under the post-1933 “social contract,” too. Both Social Security and Medicare stand out, as do Head Start, the National Endowment for the Arts, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, the Women, Infants and Children food subsidy program, and a myriad more. These exemplify not only fulfillment of some basic principles but also the premise that investment does, in the long run, pays off.

                                      Breakdown: Repudiation of the Post-1933 “Social Contract”

                                      Beginning with election of President Ronald Reagan in 1980, three successive Republican Administrations persistently eliminated important mechanisms in government that had implemented the implicit post-1933 “social contract” and several of its operating principles. Some of these measures had catastrophic consequences, both functionally and in terms of American confidence in its government and social system.

                                      Central among these were measures that ultimately excluded most Americans from a full participation in “the economy,” that denied or diminished their participation in the fruits of economic activity, that removed services to protect stakeholders from predatory abuse, and that attacked the basic premise of equality regardless of class, race, ethnic origins, or social status.
                                      Primary among the measures were “de-regulation” of key sectors of the national economy – banking, insurance, capital investment, transportation, energy production and delivery, and telecommunications.

                                      In each instance, on the premise of a so-called “free market” governed purely by economic forces that were presumed more efficient than any industry affected by government intervention, “de-regulation” led to massive scandals, failures, frauds, criminal activities, and ultimately to concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of a few who are motivated by pure self-interest.

                                      Consequences: Failure of Republican Administrations to observe the “social contract”

                                      Participation in “the economy” by millions of employees and one-time stakeholders of all sorts in those industries, as well as other sectors of economic activity, either diminished or vanished. Average incomes and standards of living dropped. Frustration, fear, anger and resentment festered, accentuating social divisions and leaving the society unsure of most people’s place in it – and doubly furious if any persons, especially those served by the so-called social “safety net,” seemed to be benefiting at the expense of others.

                                      When the unwise policies of the George W. Bush Administration ultimately led to a worldwide economic collapse in 2008, the calamity put even more pressure on the terms of the post-1933 “social contract.” Remarkably, then President-elect Barack Obama accepted the practical reins of power ahead of his inauguration and proceeded to restore government commitment to the implied compact as well as its operating principles.

                                      And in keeping faith with the American’s public’s concept of the relationships between people and government, President Obama has managed to lead the nation out of a looming abyss. But the damage wrought by the economic collapse shook most Americans profoundly, while the embittered and fearful citizens who had incessantly opposed all developments since 1933, along with some still resentful of the advances of African-Americans and others, raised their voices in a shrill and uncompromising chorus of opposition.

                                      Ye know not what ye do: The Tea Party victories of 2010

                                      Although a victorious President, supported by a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress, restored the commitments of the “social contract” in the midst of desperate economic conditions, the most committed ideological opponents of that “social contract” bellowed a rallying cry of “we want our country back!” Spurred in part by a small segment of racists deeply offended by a half-Black President, carrying the decades of resentment toward social changes regardless of race or ethnicity, and disappointed in the ultimate failure of Republican policies of 30 years’ effort, the opposition to the post-1933 “social contract” crafted an ad-hoc coalition cleverly named the “Tea Party.”

                                      Sporting a crust of patriotism and alleged devotion to national Constitutional fundamentals – most of which were misunderstood or even completely mistaken – the Tea Party followers succumbed to a populist, oversimplified definition of national issues. Most participants did not know that the central core of their loose organization was dedicated to overthrow of the implicit “social contract” and its accompanying operating principles – but they did “know” that economic dislocation, community distress caused by fiscal distress, and simple terror at forces too great to be understood were clearly the fault of a massive government that lay as helpless, apparently, before the force of events as the individual.

                                      Thus the election results of 2010, when frustrated voters sought new representatives to tackle the dogged economic issues, elected a wave of new officeholders intended to bring a more temperate and conciliatory approach to the long-divided partisan coteries in Washington, D.C., and fresh ideas about how to promote more rapid growth of employment. The Tea Party’s extreme ideological posture in opposition to the existing “social contract” only drew 22 per cent of voter endorsement in 2010, while 56 per cent of voters said the Tea Party was irrelevant.

                                      However, Paul Ryan and his Tea Party colleagues in a new House Republican majority interpreted the results to their own interest. And they dug in their heels – no compromise on their principles, no change in their government targets – win the war in the trenches, essentially, or die “fighting the good fight.”

                                      Nothing less than a revolutionary change in the American “social contract,” accompanied by radical changes in government and governance, would be acceptable.

                                      So now the battle for the basic idea of the “American way” is in progress.

                                      The Paul Ryan budget proposal describes a new relationship between the governed and the government. It is one in which pure self-reliance and self-interest are exalted, while communal obligations to neighbors and fellow-citizens are eliminated. It is one in which the state and national organs of government devoted to balancing individual interests in contrast with those of wealth and private power are eliminated. It is one in which the concept of a public stewardship is refuted.

                                      It is one in which the role of the state to provide minimal basic protection and support for the needy, the helpless, and the infirm is eliminated, while the public obligation to referee the behavior of business is minimized. It is one in which the role of culture is stricken from a public engagement, where public health and safety are diminished, and in which the government’s provision of many basic services from safe roads and bridges to public education are challenged.

                                      The Paul Ryan 2011-2012 budget proposal is nothing less than a revolutionary change in the basic philosophy of American government. It is not driven by supposed economic necessity or the stresses of fiscal difficulties, but rather by a raw desire to at last fulfill the long-festering resentments of ultra-right ideologues. It is not a proposal that most Americans would support when seen as a whole piece of public policy and fundamental revision of accepted national ideals.

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                                      Reply#23 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:04 AM EDT

                                      Wow. That is hands down the absolute best example of how to immediately make your views instantly invisible due to the unparalleled lengthiness of said comment/essay.

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                                      #23.1 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:08 AM EDT

                                      DH-356393

                                      Wow. That is hands down the absolute best example of how to immediately make your views instantly invisible due to the unparalleled lengthiness of said comment/essay.

                                      Ya know, when the subject is serious and deserves detailed attention, then the articles have to be long. I noted it was a complete magazine-length article at the beginning, so readers were forewarned. If you have such a short attention span, then you are a potential victim of the Tea Party oversimplification of issues.

                                      Go ahead and ruin your life by using sound bites as your only information source. The Koch Brothers love people like you. And FYI, I've received a number of notes thanking me for taking the time and thought to assemble the article, all from strangers who have long tried to express the ideas and analyses in this piece. Sit on it.

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                                      #23.2 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 12:37 PM EDT
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                                      Can't shut down government agencies when all that tax money is due in a matter of days!

                                      I think they're pullin' our legs, but I'm just crazy so let's not question a thing lest we run the risk of sounding extremely negative or anything.

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                                      Reply#24 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:05 AM EDT

                                      All you idiots who think Obama lost your wrong, the counrty lost

                                        Reply#25 - Sat Apr 9, 2011 11:22 AM EDT
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