Sir, or ma'am, this is anything but one of those moments. If there's anything to be happy about, it's this - as bad as this circus has been, it could have been much worse.

Once again, Republicans have been sold out by their elected officials. As I have said for a year... the GOP has not changed, they have not learned anything and they are nothing more than 'Democrat light'. My phone and emails have gone crazy! The outrage is unbelievable. Some folks are going to the 'dark side' with me (Libertarian), others saying they give up and will sit out 2012 since the GOP has sold them out... again! Many pledging to never give another dime to the RNC or a GOP candidate.

As for the comment about this 'could have been worse'... that's true. Had I not realized this type of thing would happen, I could actually have voted for one of these bums... but at this point, I think I'd rather not be represented than have been represented by anyone currently in Congress.

Some have said that my Libertarian vote was a wasted vote. Perhaps that point could be made. But the real wasted vote would have been for one of these Republicans; at least I was not betrayed!

Hey show, let me explain this to you.

We have a TWO party system.

In order for stuff to get done BOTH parties have to come to an agreement.

That's how our founding fathers THAT YOU GUYS IDOLIZE AND LOVE SO MUCH FOR CREATING AN ABSOLUTELY PERFECT SYSTEM intended for it to work.

Legislation is SUPPOSED to be a product of compromise and concession.

Welcome to America.

This now I think about it, is probably to just get us focusing on the fact that they avoided the Government shutting down for a week right.. Then they are going catch us off guard and cut the support right out from under people that have been paying their taxes all their lives and deserve their retirement or social security medicaid etc..

While the Governments own employees owe allot of back taxes and will not suffer at all. Hell, they'll probably get raises.

No one is disputing that the ability to concede and compromise is one of the hallmarks of a functioning government. However, not all compromises and concessions are good ideas. We can be grateful for the process, as I am sure we all are, while still disagreeing or hating the positions taken on the issues going through that process.

The 2011 budget was supposed to be done and made into law before Oct 1st 2010 and we should be proud of our representatives. Maybe you should try turning in a collage assignment 6 months late and see what kind of a grade you get.

@ den-lo:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/09/congress-taxes-irs.html

what, we should be proud of these guys? They did their job. Woo hoo! Give them their paycheck and a swift kick in the butt with no bonus for their brinkmanship.

Boehner went right back to his RINO, ways, write /call your elected reps, get Boehner out of the speaker's job, start recall proceedings on him..

No use waiting until the primaries next year to get rid of him.

Two party dictatorship. Illusion, all of this. The bankers stole trillions, scammed the working people of the world without penalty. Down with imperial capitalism. Bring on the struggle. I await thee on the field of honor.

Obama = Bush. Same puppet.

Well it only took them 2 years to pass a budget what will you do now?

Obama is going to Disneyland with only 4,000 of his advisors, czars, and lobbyist to celebrate.

Politics as usual with nothing really being done.

Then they are going catch us off guard and cut the support right out from under people that have been paying their taxes all their lives and deserve their retirement or social security medicaid etc..

Yeah. Now that corporations count as people (thank you, Supreme Court, for that abomination), notice how they're NOT cutting THEIR welfare? Both parties are bought and paid for, and the voters who continue to support either one are just fools.

Legislation is SUPPOSED to be a product of compromise and concession.

At the expense of ignoring a 14 trillion dollar deficit and doing what was needed to be done to insure our kids and grand kids have a strong economic future? Sometimes compromising for the sake of compromising isn't in any ones best interest.

<comes out from the bunker>

What? No shutdown? Our elected officials are truly merciful after all in their infinite wisdom! I was hold up in the cellar bunker there for a while, ready with a 2 year supply of food. Now it's safe to come out again! Thank heavens.

We're out of debt, right? They solved the deficit problem as well?

Ah yes, politics is supposed to be about concession and compromise. Really? Why is that?

That ridiculous notion is based on the notion that each side is half-right. BS.

I hate polls, but if there is one thing to be learned from some of the recent polls, it is this. A majority of Republicans says, "No compromise." A majority of Democrats says, "Let's compromise."

Republicans are quite certain they have pure truth and rightness on their side. Really? From 2001-2007, they controlled every branch of government. Until President Obama took office, they even held veto power. Yet, the budget ballooned, the economy collapsed, the banks looted America, big business tanked, we were involved in two military invasions/occupations.

Let's see if I understand this. Dead freaking wrong for eight years, but now they have it right. No compromise. How does anyone in the center of the political spectrum look at those nuts and say, "Sure, I trust your judgment." The Republicans are lockstep loonies.

There is no doubt that the Dems and the left have spent at alarming rates. They have spent a great deal of money we don't have. However, they are following a pattern of spending that has infected this country for almost a century. The Obama administration, while continuing this trend, piled on even more than the usual amount of debt thanks to the confluence of events recounted above. Much of their spending is based on a culture of dependency. That must be stopped. How does anyone in the political center look at that kind of spending and say, "Sure I trust your judgment." It is not easy to find a good label for the left. They don't march in lockstep, and that's why the Republican mantra about how the left had total control of government is so ridiculous.

The truth is simple. You cannot spend more than you make forever. Keynes was absolutely correct as was Thomas Malthus. We must deal with that truth. Every part of the budget must be on the table. I'm sick of Republicans and Democrats refusing to go after defense. Yes, we are going to have to introduce means testing for Social Security and Medicare. This crap about how they're safe until the year so-and-so is just plain stupid. If we know it's going to fail, let's address the problem RIGHT NOW. We have to stop pretending every child belongs in school. We have to understand that "mainstreaming" means flattening intellectual achievement. There's plenty to cut.

We could have a completely balanced budget and being paying down our debt in less than 10 years. But it won't happen. The vast majority of this country is dependent on government programs in one way or another and they don't even know it. (It's hackneyed, but the sign that said, "Government keep your hands off my Medicare," says it all.) Once a cut is made, the special interests start squealing like stuck pigs.

The most serious deficit we face in this country is a "courage deficit". We don't have the guts to do what must be done.

"There is no doubt that the Dems and the left have spent at alarming rates. They have spent a great deal of money we don't have. However, they are following a pattern of spending that has infected this country for almost a century.

The truth is Reagan and the Bush's two are responsible for 11 trillion (9 tril plus interest) of our current debt.

The absolute truth is Republicans not only love debt and deficit but are the primary creators.

This won't be on Fox but if you can find proof of this all over.

Stop just repeating opinion, try some facts.

"That ridiculous notion is based on the notion that each side is half-right. BS."

It makes the assumption that each side represents an opposing view that gives a balanced arguement when they come out to debate legislation.

Of course it also made the assumption that both sides would act as gentlemen and with the bitter partisanship that has been failing.

Divided government is the best government. Both sides represent important positions that are essential to the health of our country. If we get the no-compromise wingnuts out of the way and encourage respect and cooperation, everything will be functioning as intended/

RcR:

If you can demonstrate that what I wrote is NOT factual, do so. Our government has never been in the hands of one party for a period long enough to lay blame at the feet of one party or the other. This nonsense that it happened on a Bush watch or a Reagan watch or a Clinton watch, or you pick the name watch, is hogwash. You're just part of that pathetic majority that needs to point fingers and to lay blame.

Economic forces may be channeled and shaped to be sure, but they do not begin and/or end on inauguration dates.

In the final analysis, the government - Republican and/or Democrat - delivers exactly what the voters want.

I never get people like Bill S.

"Government" is not some existential entity out there spending the country broke. EVERY SINGLE expenditure is the result of the democratic process--WE THE PEOPLE--demanding goods and services that we want our government to provide.

Its US, Bill, that are doing the spending. People (at the majority, so far) want this size of government.

Where the problem is, and the failure of leadership, is politicians who can't or won't level with the American people and tell them YOU GOT TO PAY AS YOU GO. If people want programs from the government, they should pay for them in the form of taxes. If the people don't want to pay the necessary amount of taxes, then the programs have to go. Defense included.

So, Bill, WHAT PART OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT YOU BENEFIT FROM ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP????

nresq, you keep that up and people will have to accept responsibility for this mess themselves instead of blaming a faceless entity.

That's unamerican.

I get NOTHING from the government but the obligation to fill out forms, and pay someone to fill out forms. I received no goods?? (what does the government make but documents and rules) or services from the government. I am forced to place money that should go to my employees into a known Ponzi scheme, that no government employee is forced to participate in.

You have a small thinking problem. You think the people who receive the benefits are the people who pay for them. WRONG. The people who pay for the benefits receive no benefits and the people who pay no taxes receive all the benefits. The fact that there are more people receiving a check from the government and working for the government than there are that are neither, gives deficit spending a vested interest.

We have a government of government workers who dream up new rules and regulations to justify their full employment. We now have more laws, rules, regulations, and prisons than any country , while we mouth this mantra about our freedoms. When all our government really does is process documents, why has the computer not brought additional efficiency? Why has the internet helped private business , but not schools and not government document processing?

Here you are on the internet bitching that government never provided anything you have used bill.

That is the height of irony.

Bill, you did know that the United States population grew by almost 8 million people since 2008 didn't you?
So you think that government can just absorb that without any additional paperwork to shuffle, right?

Let's get to cutting the real waste we know is in the system and maybe then you'll cut the crap.

Start with govermnment far too much of our waste is right there..

Start with Boehner write/call you reps get Boehner out of the speaker's job..

He rolle dovr onus again and played footsies with the parasites take him out.

I love guys like Bill whom as they live in their secure country, drinking non contaminated waters, trusting their food supply, driving on highways in cars that combined mostly assures their survival can say with a straight face government does nothing for me.

Our real problem is we've moved to a place where we take our incredible benefits for granted.

Right on the money, Bill S good post!!!

How do you dumbsh*ts on the right have the balls to sh*t on Democrats and Progressives for alleged bad spending habits when you watched Republicans for 8 years, 6 of which they had the Presidency and BOTH houses of Congress, INCREASE SPENDING AND THE NATIONAL DEBT EVERY F*ING YEAR?!?!?!?!?!?

I don't think anybody deserves any credit. This isn't some miracle budget that fixes the increasing national debt, it's a class assignment that was turned in late after several extensions.

6 of which they had the Presidency and BOTH houses of Congress,

The Republicans had a Majority in the Senate from 2002 -2004 with 51 seats, from 2004 to 2006 the republicans had 55 seats, in 2006 they lost the majority and went back down to 49 seats. The Republicans had a majority in the Senate for all of 4 years. At no time did the Republicans ever have a filibuster proof majority which means the Democrats could have blocked them on every piece of Legislation from 2001 to 2008.

So I ask you where were the Democrats to Object to the Republicans spending form 2001 -2008? If you weren't willing to stand up and say no to the spending then, what makes you think you have a right to throw it in the Republicans face now? The democrats are just as Responsible as the Republicans for the spending from 2001-2008 because they did nothing to stop it.

filibustering just hasn't been the same since Strom Thurmond died.

The libbies are in the time machine again.

Libbies, conservatives don't have that time machine to go back in to the past and repair all of the things that have been done.

We have to deal with the present.

In the present, we have an inept lying, quasi socialistic megalomaniac in the white house, whose sole aim in life, apparently, is to implode the economy of the USA.

So Rahk1969 post #9: You say standing up for the Banckrupting the country and and devalueing the dollar and encouraging those who dont to take from those who do is right. 1969 must be the year of your birth becuase you certainly are part of the me generation.

JJ CANADA are you from Canada?????

They got rid of most of the riders and add on's which weren't appropriate in the budget bill anyway. But, I have heard there is worst to come next week.........this is FAR from over. I'll be calling my Democratic Senator and telling her not to vote for defunding PP, the EPA and NPR. These are vital departments that could have a very damaging effect on our economy, recovery, climate AND womens health.

I Live am in Canada. Where we are the envy of the G20. We have a Conservative government that enforced the rules on Banks and environment. (didnt have to make up more rules that no one followed) We havent spent 1.7 trillion on phoney bailout/stimulus packages that weaken our currency and spend our childrens future.

JJ Canada?

You poor thing. I offer solutions and you call me names. Your antics devalue your opinion. I choose not to call you names or label you. I offer forgiveness. I encourage dialogue and your completion of Junior High.

Slinger. Do you know what is even more damaging to Womens health? Having to carry wheelbarrows full of money to the Baker in the morning for a loaf of bread. Encouraging a government to be all encompassing like you are advocating means that eventually Planned Parenthood means you only have one kid and the government kills the rest. Funding politically BIASed Radio with taxpayers funds means that you only get the government propoganda. Turns NPR into Pravda. And what is the good of an EPA and more unenforced rules (as in the Gulf oil spill) if your EPA rules are circumvented by buying off the officials entrusted with enforcing them. Read history and you will se where your country will be if you keep believing this drivel.

Rahk1969 post 9.5: What names did I call you? What solutions did you offer? You bashed the Tea Party, quoted someone who obviously you agree with (Charlie Sheen) and you advocated staying the course of Banckruptcy. You answered none of my questions. All this is emblematic of the me generation. Your country is economicly falling apart and you want your reps to grow balls and stand up for the failure. You may get what you are after but you wont like it.

I heard that the canadian government fell apart over some financial thing

But I'm american, so I obviously don't know the context of that, and I'm making it sound worse than it is. What makes a canadian especially inclined to be interested in or educated about american political issues? It's so weird to encounter foreign people and have the first conversation topic be how great their country is compared to yours.

I'm just rambling here, but something else that's weird to me is when people say "we (nation)ians" like everyone from there is of one mind. I don't think I hear "we americans" in anything but an ironic context or when somebody's trying to pull the wool over someone else's eyes about american culture.

Also, the me generation hasn't been relevant for 10 years. Well, the term, anyway.

In conclusion, we americans are kind of put off by non sequitur antagonism from nationals from random countries. (heh)

Kaff:I am glad you asked. We are in the middle of an election. We have a Parlimentary system here where if there are not enough votes affirmative on a budget issue the government falls, an election begins and within 1 month you have another government with different members. This time the opposition of three parties voted non confidence in the current government over a procedural issue regarding information they requested of the government and they felt the government did no comply to. It had nothing to do with money it was called contempt of Parliment. Our eletions are short. Yours go on for years, ours for 1 month. We will re-elect the current Conservative government. The only question is will they have a majority or still be in the minority as we have the liberals, the NDP and a Quebec regional party with more menbers.

I grew up in the states so I am interested. Canada has many things better than the US. The Us has some things better than Canada. Our fiscal house is as I said the best in the G20. The US is Canada's greatest trading partner so when you fail we have great trouble. We however are becoming more entwined with China. While you fight the great (Roman) Wars, China is buying up all the real resources that are required to win a War. The polarity in the Us is sickening. It is worse than during Vietnam Era.

My referal to the me generation goes back to the evident bithdate of the poster above. The "me" in most of what I here on here is evident as well. Everyone wants "theirs", but no one wants to do what is really best for the country. History proves what I say. Germany 1932 was created by some of the same policies that are no at play in 2011. The only thing saving the US now is that they have the defacto currency in the world. That will change unless you put your house in order and stoop printing money. When the world especially oil go off the dollar standard than your oil price goes up 3 times your dollar becomes worth what your debt implies and you fall apart. There will be no more questions about funding Planned Parenthood as you cant. There will be no more questions about funding welfare because you cant. That goes for pensions, the military, EPA and NPR. People in their turmoil will fall for Hitler and the whole damn thing starts all over again.

You may not like comments from foreigners, but from my experience in the US as a young man you all dont know squat about anywhere else but the US. That is why you always fail at captureing the hearts and minds of other countries. If you did you wouldnt call Canada a random country as it is your greatest trading partner and is the only country in the world covering your ass in Afghanistan . We are fighting the toughest part of the war in Kandhar in the south. So if you are put off then I am sorry it takes two to be friends.

jj canada-- It is very hard to take your opinion seriously since you don't even live here. Stay in Canada and please stay out of OUR issuses. Go pat yourself on the back and be happy that you have health care and alot of other social safety nets, that some of our politicians want to continually take away. If you have ever been sick, AND I mean really sick, like cancer, and don't have money to go to the Doctor, what options do any of us have? Not eat, to live? Not live to eat. Mind your own business, you don't even live here.

Slinger ---------- you don't offer any solutions what you do is follow the lib mantra, give me more, give me more..

Enjoy, we still have a little more work to do, we removed a lot of the RINOS in the primaries last year, we'll get a lot more in the primaries next year..

When we get rid of the Rinos like Boehner, we are going to send the vampires back to skulking in the dark, away from decent people again.

Hello Slinger post 9.11: Typical responce when you really dont have any ideas. Send people away with an insult. If you realy would have read the post you would realize that I am a American living in Canada. So it is my business.! Second: if you really read my post it pointed out that Canada is one of your best partners who is affected by your success or failures. So it is my business. Three: If you would have really read my post most Americans dont have a clue about the rest of the world. Your actions affect the rest of the world (ie: military and dollar) and if you would capture the hearts and minds of the rest of the world it would be much easier and cheaper for you all. Fourth: I said Canda has many things better, not all things better. Our heath care system was Canadas bigest success and has now become our biggest failure becuase it is being run like you socialists down there want to set up your own. My experience is that if something doesnt work you try something else till it does. Looking at the successes of a country so close and so similar in background that actually is your freind would be a good idea. Your socialists drivel has not worked and is not working in many countries around the world. Your spending is your problem. Why would you not want to fix it. Seems I care more about the US than you do. Matbe you should actually "mind" your business in stead of just plyaing and oretendinig like you do..

"When we get rid of the Rinos like Boehner, we are going to send the vampires back to skulking in the dark, away from decent people again."

You know John, that's something I've been wondering about, the Republican moderates.

You nutjobs are in the minority even for your party, and you've been waging a war to drive out and over rule the moderates, who far outnumber you.

How fed up do you think the "RINO's" are at this point?

Do you think they'll just sit home during the primaries or will they be out in force to put you guys in your place?

How many do you think have already defected to the Democrats or turned independent?

What are you goign to do when they are so fed up and angry with the Tea Party for stagnating the political rocess and costing elections that they come for blood?

Fair is fair. The reactionary comments against Canada regardless of argument content are typical of Americans, myself included. I just thought it was interesting to note that there is a gap between the people that generate bad relations between countries and the people that feel the effects. Foreign people unload complaints against the US on me even though I am ignorant of the offense, and I cast stereotypic aspersions on foreign people who may not have affronted me personally because of projection.

I just wanted you to know our biases when you come in here bearing that name. It's a relay race where the people that offend us are totally different from the people that we are offending, and by us, I mean both foreigners and nationals. In the future, please acknowedge and take precautions against this predisposition to think you're going to bash us, and explain how the stereotype does not fit you.

Come to think of it, I didn't really have anything useful or topical to add to the content of the thread. Oh well.

No deal was made really just one week S.O.S

I heard that a budget was drafted, but they needed an extension to vote on it. That's why Obama didn't veto.

The one week extension was to give them time to draft and vote on the budget. Obviously, there was no way to pass the bill in the House and Senate in less than an hour. But according to the Legislature and the President, the final budget is agreed upon.

Congratulations to the Republican Party, for ignoring the insanity of the "Shut 'er down" Tea Party and doing what's best for Americans. We appreciate it.

Wait for it libby, you can' pass anything you like, the debt ceiling comes up next week, lets see if the inept liar in the white house can run a country when he isn't able to borrow money.

How much legislation did democrats pass in the last few months?

Canada JJ,

I owe you an apology...Apparently my comment went out before I was finished.. This is an attack on the middle class. If your going to cut wasteful spending...then you start with defense. Not the working poor. If your deeply concerned about wasteful spending...then let's talk entitlements. The Republican big picture is simple. Bring our middle class down to third world wages so big companies can compete and prosper in the world market. This is the wrong answer. This is the what they are shooting for. Over the last 30 years the top 20% have increased yearly income by 10% per year...The rest of us...the 80%... have increased an average of $560 per person total for the last 30 years. Class warfare has been going on and the lot of us don't even realize it.

It was? He is? You also discredit yourself with the derogatory reference to the Tea Party Movement. Sorry. No dice.

Mike,

I pity you, and Im so embarrassed for you. When logic and rational thought fail you resort to junior high name calling?

You know my mom is big into the Tea Party, well not so much anymore shes pretty disillusioned at this point.

Anyways me, my two brothers, my sister and my mom were sitting around talking about it and she refers to herself as a Teabagger. The four of us bust out laughing and my mom knew she had made a slip, but didn't know what it was. We explained it to her and made jokes about her "teabagging America." She took it in good humor and has referred to herself as a teabagger as a joke several times since.

But that's what you guys who scream bloody murder over the term remind me of. Someone who called themselves a Teabagger proudly until someone else explained to you what it meant. I know it was a somewhat common term in the Tea Party because I've heard other members refer to themselves that way, and even on TV. I've never explained the meaning to anyone else cause it's too damn funny.

And you being on a mission to teabag America seems about right from where I'm sitting.

King's "I have a Dream" was a terrific speech. Reagan's "Tear down this wall" was a great speech. Lincolns "Gettysburg address" was a great Speech. Obama's speech was an eat crow while trying to take credit and look and sound presidential speech without substance.

Did anyone else notice how quickly he read it as opposed to his normal measured pace? Did anyone else Notice he didn't use his cliched catch phrases "Mark My words", "Let me Be clear", and "Focused like a laser". Did any one else notice how he didn't thump his hand on the podium every time he wanted to punctuate a point?

President Obama reminds of those people that speak alot but say very little as opposed to those that speak very little but say alot.

He certainly doesn't go on safaris.

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I will take your comment as sarcasm Mike. If that man is elected President again, it will indeed be a sad day for America. Majority of the people I know, and have spoken with strongly regret their part in making him the President of this country.

Mike you are delusional, no one will vote for the inept lying quasi socialistic warmonger in the white house.

Obama will win. The GOP is aparty with no one. The fact that trump is their top candidate is jst something that shows they would rather have a white male, whos has bankrupted all his casinos, had 4 wives, which conservatives usually make a big deal of, and a bad hair peace who knows nothing about world politics and is famous for reality TV saying your fired as the person they want to lead the country.

That is scary. And how come any conservative who was ever divorced was pretty much a bad person to run but cause Trump starts the birther crap he jumps to the front of the pack. Ignorance at its finest. They want a guy like that and will 100% support all the wars he would bring us against and all the deregulation he would bring in that would erase the middle class and make this country a 2 class 8% rich and the rest of us country. Civil wars start in countries with no middle class. thats what the GOP wants with a nut case with no political knowledge as the leader of the free world. to be at the top of the GOP radar cause he rich and says your fired and brings nothing else other to the table except he wasnt born here doen't qualify you as president. And how will he fix the economy. He cant bakrupts us and file chap 11 like he has multiple times on all his properties. But just cause the GOP hates Obama they would vote a man like that in to destroy the country they live in just cause they can't accept a DEM in office who had to spend money to fix what was destroyed over 8 years. remember the Surplus when Clinton left. Remember the deficit when he left. Where were all the GOP members screaming bloody murder that whole time. Oh its all about whos in charge. And you would never speak out against your party even if you were personally watching them destroy the country. Instead of speaking out. They must fall in line like the sheep then complain when the next guy has to fix it non stop. But the guy that caused it they voted in twice. once after he had less voted then the person against him and stole the presidency and after ruining the country they gave him 4 more years to see just how bad he could make it

David---- King, Reagan, and Lincoln Republicans Obama Dem are you trying to tell us something?

Nope.

I don't know about the greatest, but a damn good one for sure.

Ok , Greatest president of the 21 century (so far).

Certainly, I is easy to understand why the dem/libs need that hourly broadcast from the white house, critical thinking is not something they execel at.

You're an Objectivist and you're going make judgements about other folks using critical thinking John?

That's like a cult member, no wait you are essentially a cult memeber, saying they can't believe a person could be so gullible.

LOL

Uh huh, now we'll drop Boehner, you should have left well enough alone libbie, now it gets nasty.

Yea Wilburn. After the Dems made all the concessions on taxes and cutting the budget. The GOP wanted to add all these stipulations to it and the DEMS said no. And cause one guy negotiated to not shut down the government you guys want him out. Cause you all want the country to fail unless its all your way. Kind of like a dictatorship. Your way or no way. Thats why the GOP will lose so many of its gains. People with an IQ over 80 can see that the GOP doesn't negotiate, they make demands and use the American people as hostages. Not to mention myself as an Afghan vet and many military people I know think its disgusting that GOP members use us as leverage and pawns in their political square dance

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Hey what do you think of those two polls showing the Tea Parties ratings in the low 30's?

After this fiasco it's probably dived into the 20's.

How does it feel to be in a group that's reviled by most Americans of both parties?

Every one of you guys who say "Obimbo" are really wanting to say "n!gger" but don't have the f'ing balls to show your true colors.

And all you Leftards that pull the racism card don't have the f'ing balls to say your entire philosophy of governance has been rejected along with the joke in the White House.

Then why did you guys fail to take the Senate?

Noone will remember who you guys were in a few years.

LOL

dosh- clueless,

what poll, and can you send me a link? I think its wishful thinking on your part.

Read em and weep

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/30/tea.party.view/index.html?iref=allsearch#

I can't find the link to the ap-GFK poll, so you can take my word for it or not.

dosh- One who lives by the polls die by the polls.

DOSH------ You hang right in ther with that sunshine, the tea party is group that is going to send the vampires back to skulking in the dark away from honest working people.

Might want to look for some, "relearn to work" classes, life is about to get very difficult for those whose who have been living off of the taxpayers.

John!

And here I was thinking you didn't love me anymore.

Don't worry about me, I had the foresight to get into a field that the kids don't find sexy and the current workforce is thinking about retirement. Every year there's fewer folks that can do what I do and my pay just keeps going up.

How many other folks you know managed to increase their pay by 11K in the middle of the recession?

Of course I have to be thankful for Obamas leadership in guiding the recovery that made it possible.

Oh my gosh please

www.davidpride.com/Army/images/US_Ft_Knox_03.jpg

I don't care what's in the rest of your post, I just can't stand to see such an abuse of links.

I wish this forum had a url tag.

2011 budget is FAR from being resolved, they only passed a temporary measure to continue funding the government through next week............The American Taliban still wants to defund PP and the EPA. It is tabled however, until next week. It's going to get ugly. Already a hundred democrats are saying they are voting no, with these riders tacked to it.

This is a short term continuation to allow time to get the paperwork togerther for the '11 budget.

I believe the current terms are 40B and the riders get decoupled, but Reid brings them up in the Senate to allow the vote. I guess so everyone gets their name on them one way or another.

Keep dreaming. The Republicans only control Congress and we are only talking about a reduction in spending BECAUSE of the Tea Party. Or perhaps you think cutting spending would be front and center if Obama and the Democrat Party still controlled the entire Congress and the Presidency? I mean because we have seen just how important cutting government spending was to Obama, Reid and Pelosi when they had 59 votes in the Senate and controlled the House and Presidency right? Obamacare, stimulis, EPA regs increasing the cost of business. All aspects of a political philosophy that just can't wait to cut the size and scope of government right?

To that bat@!$%# crazy minarchist state you guys want?

No.

I can't wait to see you reaction when it comes time to "pay the piper". Prediction; You'll say "It's the Republicans fault"!

Dosh----- so tell me sunshine if you are so smart, how come you have to be on the vine begging some one to pass bills, for the life forms kicked back with their hand out?

Wait for it libby, you can have any bills you like, with the debt ceiling kept where it is ,

I want to watch you mental giants trying to run a government, with out being able to borrow.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the Tea Party is going to be to keep the debt ceiling from being raised.

Hate to break this to you but if it comes down to it Boehner WILL go to the Democrats for the votes and ignore your freshman cause he's not going to be taken down by a default just to keep a failing movement happy.

He's a reaonable guy, and knows that the public at large will support him on it.

My prediction, he's going to keep letting the Tea Party add unrealistic amendments, and rely on Obama and Reid to make sure the public knows that it's the Tea Party, not Boehner, that's holding things up. That if it weren't for the zealots, things would be functioning so much smoother.

The debt ceiling will probably be key in those three painting the proper image of the Tea Party. Let it go right to the brink and get the public so infuriated with the teabaggers that they'll be ready to start recall elections immediately.

Hahaha, wow. The man really is full of himself, isn't he?? If he keeps it up, he may just float away. It takes two to tango, both sides were acting like children and the squabble for now has been settled because the puppet master put good light on his little puppet (our President). Someday I really do hope we get to see the man or woman behind the curtain pulling the strings.

See what compromise does? Everyone gets to be mad.

Partisanship isn't really the problem is it? The problem is the freakin debt and a government that does so much damn stuff it inserts itself into every aspect of our lives. This "deal" is a joke because it proves that certain people in our government and citizenry just don't have a clue as to the consequences of a 15 trillion dollar and growing debt! When something like this passes a bunch of wimpy no nothing people (I won't even call you citizens) sigh and thank your stars that the country has been saved from "partisanship".

A good deal is one that neither side is happy with.

Nice saying. Completely absurd but it fits well on a bumper sticker I'm sure.

The deal that Churchill and Stalin brokered at the end of WWII in Europe didn't make either side happy. Stalin would have liked all of Western Europe including Germany. Churchill would have liked the Soviet Union out of Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe. But I suppose since each side wasn't happy it was a good deal. Unless you were living under Stalin.

It was a hell of alot better than us going right back into war with Russia wasn't it?

So yeah, it was a good deal.

We've been in debt ever since the Great Depression. The federal deficit is about 1.2 trillion per year. If you want to start bringing the debt down, you have to take away $1.2 trillion dollars of it.

This isn't the sort of thing you can do on a yearly budget proposal. That's ridiculous. You need a long term plan to reduce it over the course of decades. Cutting plans in the budget can't be its own philosophy, mainly because even the strongest plans don't solve the deficit (do you really think if we cut $500 billion this year, we'd be able to do the same next year, and the year after that? Come on.) and because cutting is a one-time thing. If you cut the fat off a steak, cutting any more will nullify the point of even having that steak.

Short term, yearly measures will get us nowhere. Cutting money or spending money or doing nothing with money doesn't matter - what matters is that this money is exchanged according to some sort of plan or philosophy. Not every increase in spending is a bad thing, and not every cut is a good thing - the only thing that matters is how that affects the long term.

We could solve the budget deficit (for the year) right now if we abandoned all the troops fighting wars overseas, stripped all the elderly of social security and healthcare and let them die wherever they are, and raised the income tax on everyone to 100%. That's impossible, so we'll have to settle for solving this problem long after we're dead.

No we blame the Tea Party for putting a bunch of rank amatuers on the hill to get in the way while the REAL politicians try to do their jobs.

You need to send a message to your boys to sit down and shut the hell up til they figure out what's going on. We are still in a recovery with serious issues to deal with. We don;t need the grown ups in washington spending all their time babysitting and soothing temper tantrums.

Should people not retire with medical benefits and a pension?

Rank amatuers that actually think the Federal Government has too much power and too much influence. Rank amatuers that gave Republicans control of the House and weakened the Democrats in the Senate. Rank amatuers that have pushed Obama into accepting cutting spending instead of perpetual government growth. Rank amatuers that are pushing the debate in cutting public sector union monopolys in places like Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin.

Who's philosophy of the size of government is being implemented right now? Your side has lost the debate. The only question now is how much damage will be done by your "REAL" politicians before it can be repaired.

Yeah rank amatuers who promised 100B in cuts, but got 40 instead and lost their riders.

Who also failed miserably at defunding HCR too. I guess they should have looked up the term "automatic funding" before they promised that huh?

Rank amatuers that cost the GOP the Senate.

Rank amatuers that Boehner, Reid, and Obama are playing like a fiddle to keep the necessary cuts sane. What, you don't think all three of them are working together?

Rank amatuers that had Wisconsin blow up in their face to become a bitter sweet victory that has brought recalls against republican legislators and came close to costing a supreme court election for the Republicans.

Rank amatuers that caused Ohio and Indiana to halt their deunionization process dead in it's tracks after they watched Wisconsin fall apart for the GOP.

Rank amatuers who are takng the scraps handed to them, and are being marginalized without even knowing it.

My side hasn't lost the debate. The debate is ongoing and a product of those who know how to make law coming together to do what's right.

Despite the rank amatuers.

dosh,

armature, these newbie's could run circle around you.

Probably, they're getting plenty of practice while Obama, Reid, and Boehner run them in circles and spank their ass.

No we blame the Tea Party for putting a bunch of rank amatuers on the hill to get in the way while the REAL politicians try to do their jobs.

I didn't realize the Tea Party was responsible for getting Obama elected in 2008. Is that why Obama changed his tone and you never hear him speak about the Tea party negatively any more because he doesn't want to upset his base?

Since the 2011 budget was due Oct 1st, 2010, which was one month before the 2010 election how could the Tea party representatives that were elected in 2010 and didn't take there seats until 2011 have gotten in the way of the "Real Politicians" doing their work in 2010?

Its 6 months into the 2011 fiscal year now, and the 112 congress is still trying to finish the 111th Congress work. But its the Tea party's fault. I suppose the tea party is responsible for global warming as well?

Thanks for reminding me David.

Since Mama Grizzly is you guys figurehead for the goodness and mavickery of the Tea Party we can say those rank amatuers retroactively cost you guys the 08 presidential election.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And since that you want to bring up budgets that rank amatuer Ryans budget just pissed everyone off and may have cost you '12.

HAHAHAHHAHA

The key word in your last paragraph was trying. If it weren't for the rank amatuers, the 112th would be long done with it.

Doshy seems a little upset. The "HAHAHA" is what gives it away. The false sense of bravado. The desperate need to cling to the false hope that someway, somehow, hard working Americans will continue to pay for his wants and those of his fellow parasites. Yes Dosh, you've lost the argument. I doubt you have the intellectual capacity to grasp the first two sentences on the Ryan budget proposal so excuse me if I have doubts about you claim that it has "pissed everyone off". Were are CUTTING Doshy. CUTTING. Not increasing spending. You've lost. Not only in Washington but in states like Wisconsin where your public sector unions friends just lost a judgeship they poured their little hearts into. Let's see how well Obama does in 2012 if he can't carry that state!

You have graduated from lol to lulz. Trust me, I do find this truly hilarious.

No, I've read Ryans budget, in fact i have it downloaded on my phone. Over 3 meg of crap.

Between me and you I don't see why anyone would want to read the first two pages anyways. It's just a bunch of whiny libertarian chicken little douchery up to page 28. Hell, there's only about 8-10 pages of substance in the whole thing. He could of saved 4-5 pages if he had actually stuck to discussing the budget instead of attacking Obama and the Democrats every other paragraph.

I found it ironic that he warned about his opponents demagoguing his budget when he released it, then found out it was about 60% demagouery anyways.

I guess he didn't want anyone else to out demagogue him LOL.

It doesn't matter, the turd he shat is doomed to failure anyways.

Well, I'm going to bed it's 3:40 in the morning here.

I'm looking forward to the lulz continuing tomorrow guys.

Yeah go to bed. References to turds and lulz weren't really getting you anywhere fast. Keep up your sense of fake humor and keep pretending that your side hasn't lost the argument as borne out by this CUTTING of government spending. That along with your losses in WI, the recomendations of the Debt Commission and Paul Ryan's Budget as the template for further cuts in the Fall should give you plenty to Lulz about. Sweet dreams!

Dosh- "Rank amateurs", as you put it, have made a huge difference already. It's too bad that you are unable to grasp the concept of......INTEGRITY.

Oh you mistake me life.

Ask john (he's on his wilburn puppet account here) I'm in a pit of vipers here and there's no other place I'd rather be. That's cause I'm not dancing around trying to keep from getting bit, I have a flamethrower in my hands and I love to watch you guys curl up and pop.

I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

Hey Gbill, if you take out the "symbolic" votes, they've got what accomplished?

Nothing.

I know, you guys are going to say there was just 40B in cuts, but considering they promised you 100B looks like they got the raw end of the deal on that one. Not even half of what they wanted.

Yup, your boys got outmanuevered and outclassed, but that's to be expected when you pit rank amatuers against seasoned pros.