Let's see here. 3 BILLION cut for 6 days. At that clip, that's about 182 Billion in deficit cut annualized. At that rate, it would take over 9 years to eliminate a 1.65 TRILLION deficit for one year. Conclusion? We're in deep sh!t.

I'm still waiting for the jobs legislation that most of the republican puppets promised us? Not one! Not one piece of jobs legislation has been passes or proposed by your big dogs, hounds! Then again with everything on the table, where are the military and Pentagon cuts where the big money is?

clwyd, you need to ask the dems that same question. They're still in control, and have been for the past 2 years. They haven't made the environment friendly for job creation. Also, they haven't reduced our military expenditure or reach, but expanded it. Gas is at $4 a gallon again. Where are the screams from the left. If the democrats didn't want to fight this budget battle right now, they should have passed a budget. The bottom line is, nothing has changed for the better. We have the same problems we had under republican control, and then some. It's okay though. The democrats are in control now. They can do no wrong.

Thorndawg, So let's see the 8 years before that brought us to the bush recession because of de-regulation of big oil, big business, big insurance, big Wall Street , big oil and the rich. WE are just now starting to come out of it due to the Stimulus. If everything is on the table how about the big money in the Penatgon and our two lost wars that bush took us into and cost almost $2,000,000,000,000 and 6,00 American lives?

Ask your democrat representatives and President Obama about ending Iraq and Afghanistan, because we're still there, and now in Lybia. There was no deregulation of oil or insurance and the repeal of Glass-Stiegal was done under Clinton. We didn't go into recession from 8 years of "Bush policy". It was a result of a burst housing bubble that was brought on by government meddling in the mortgage business. Politicians on both sides loved to tout the rising home ownership by minorities. Unfortunately, the politically correct stance of positively manipulating the minority home ownership rate wasn't sound because it wasn't based on the actual ability to buy. This was a result of the repeal of Glass Steigal. Quit crying foul about the rich. Nobody owes you anything. Get off your but and make some money. You would be doing your country, and yourself, a huge solid by trying to get rich yourself.

Thorn .. there is no joy in arguing with a committed leftist. Your observations are precise and accurate. You will not find a liberal that will admit the root cause of the recession was the housing bubble, the Fannie & Freddie financing fiasco, Dodd & Frank, Glass Stiegal and the massive numbers of speculators and home owners that could not afford the homes they purchased.

Yes, there was bub! De-regulation of oil cut the number of inspections and inspectors needed to be made of Gulf Oil rigs and all oil drilling facilities. Gee! If the BP rig had been checked maybe the environmental disaster in the Gulf could have been avoided? Oh, I forgot that after bush's de-regulations there has been the other republican demand to add the phosphate amounts in fertilizers to be increased so corporations can make bigger profits and our environment suffer! The Party of No has got to go!

Independent, There is no use talking with a right wing Nazi either!

I can throw around BS also!

I only have three simple questions for the The Independent, as rhetorical as this is.

Who wrote the 1999 Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act that killed the 1933 Glass–Steagall Act?

Which party do those men belong to?

Which Party controlled the House of Representatives and the Senate in 1999?

You need to actually understand all of the facts before touting that ignorant BS that Hog Boss Limbaugh told you to.

The tea party people are fools on a fools mission!!!!!

And it is a little scary that the educated are NOT doing more to make a change... We are allowing all this ignorant to make decisions and push for their "changes" Honestly I am concern for the country's sakes... Please , Lets do something sustancial.... Lets ALL go out and protest for our rights to better education, better health system, more taxes for the rich and corporations (even though they always fing a way NOT to pay) If we want a better country, we need to sacrifice...

LOL

Pretty obvious that the Republicans decided that the Tea Party can go screw themselves, they aren't going to get taken down to make the nutjobs happy.

I agree. There were no winners or losers in this - what did happen was most Americans got to see first hand how diaboligical this republican party is. How they were willing to shut (or threaten the government shut down to make points with their fanatical base. The President is right. These cuts are not easy bit we needed to do them and he was willing to do them. Unlike this republican and the crazies that have joined their party. These people no longer reflect the values of most Americans. Remember these guys were willing to stop paychecks of the troops unless we defunded an organiation that primarily works for poor of this country. When will Americans wake up and tell these republicans enough is enough. You are not speaking for us. You lied in November that much is obvious. By the way republicans:WHERE ARE THE JOBS???

The nuts on the right will be back. The debt celling May 16 and next year. Ryan 5+trillion tax cuts hiding in his beating up the poor middle class elderly nice people

WHERE ARE THE JOBS???

They're in the 800 billion dollars that the democrats sent to the corporations of the nation to bail their executives out and to stop jobs from being cut, but the jobs are still being cut.

Which jobs nick?

What about the ones that are now overseas due to the retarded marriage of trickle down economics with a service based economy? That was a dumbass bit of policy wasn't it? Require job growth to be dependent on investment then require the economy to be dependent on overseas investments.

How did they not see the flight of jobs coming, or did they just not care?

And you guys claim the Democrats are destroying the country.

LOL

I dont like the republicans either, they should tax the s*** out of the rich, I'm just saying that theres $800 billion which could have been invested into something more useful, such as giving tax cuts to lower and middle class people, not "lent" to corporations.

Speaking of that Nick, I would really like MSNBC journalists to thoroughly investigate which corporations that took bailout money are paying it back, and which aren't really doing that. I think all Americans deserve to know which ones are making good on repayment, and which ones aren't.

I commend those in both parties who decided together to avert the shutdown, which is all of the Senate, and most of the House. I expect all of them to get much more serious about solving the issues with the FY2011 budget, and move onto concentrating on the FY2012 budget in a non-ideological, practical, common sense way as soon as possible.

This ridiculous BS that has been going on has to stop now.

Hey Nick just want to lay a little information out for you since you obviously dont know what your talking about. Its funny that Dems think that Republicans are the rich party and are always trying to hook up their friends. Well the truth is that Dems are actually richer than Republicans. Here is an article out of a conservative web site I know but they use information of The Forbes 100 list in which you need to be worth at least 1 billion dollars to be on. So if you do not believe this website do the research and click on the names out of Forbes 100 and find out for yourself. Already checked it and it is pretty interesting but if you think I am lying just go to "FORBES 100" and find out for yourself!

From the, “you never hear about that from the media” file – Those “Evil, Rich People” that Democrats are always wailing about are actually – Democrats.

In fact, the Top 4 on the list: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Christy Walton are all Democrats. Together, they are worth $150 Billion Dollars.

An analysis of the Top 20 Richest People in America (from Forbes Top 100) reveals that a full 60% are actually Democrats. Furthermore, if you eliminate the duplication caused by people from the same family being included in that Top 20 list (Wal-Mart & Koch) that ratio widens even further to:
25% Republican / 75% Democrat.

(The purpose of this analysis is not who makes the most money, but where they contribute / by party affiliation. Obviously, people from the same family would tend to contribute to the same party.)

Analyzing the data takes us even further. Not only are there more Democrats in the Top 20 list, but those Democrats are a lot more stingy with their money. Republicans coughed up $5.2 million while Democrats squirted out only $2.1 Million.

Of course, there is no reason not to assume that the money they contribute to Special Interest groups wouldn’t match (or closely match) those of their chosen candidates. So when you add in the money from these groups you end up with Republican Contributions at $10 million while Democrats contributed only $6 million.

Lest we not forget, Democrats outweigh Republicans. Not only in terms of the number of uber-millionaires, but also with their net worth. In this Top 20 group, Democrats have a combined net worth of $263.1 billion dollars while the Republicans have a combined net worth of only $143.9 billion dollars – almost half that of Democrats

I've watched most of the richest "democrats" you name openly admit that they should be taxed more.

There are very rich people on both sides.

David, Words come cheap, but where is the proof? I have 7 neighbors in million dollar homes or more who are millionaires and all republicans. I have 3 neighbors in modest housing with middle incomes, all democrats!

There's no rule that says you can't voluntarily pay more in taxes. Besides, the government doesn't deserve more money because they can't cut up the credit cards. People can do what they want with their money. It's theirs. The less the government steals, the more the people can have to participate in commerce, or donate to the charity or cause of their choice. Let's remember we are supposed to be a free society, and get back to being just that. Government is too big and doing things it shouldn't. It's time to cut up the credit card.

Thorndowg, You can't remember this as you aren't as seasoned as I, but the debt to the GNP has been at a larger percentage in the past than today. The republicans don't mind starting wars and then want to cut costs by making Middle America pay. Then they reward businesses and corporations with tax breaks and credits. That is why some 50 years ago I became a democrat from my membership in the Young Republicans.

Our stupid governor in Wisconsin just praised the fact he brought "Fat Wallet' jobs to Wisconsin, all 50 of them. The same day Janesville Schools announced 130 job cuts from secretaries, teachers, food service, aides and bus drivers. Net result -80 jobs. And that is for only one school district.

A bit deceptive with the statistics there .... clwyd .. The only time the debt to gdp was higher was immediately after WWII.

I take it you are a supporter then of our $3.7 trillion budget and our one year $1.65 trillion deficit. Both are the largest in history. (Right, the two wars and Bush are at fault. I guess Libya is OK, then right.)

You may be seasoned, there is no dispute you are a hypocrite.

Clowdy, what do you mean? I gave you proof where you can find the answers. GOOGLE forbes 100. Or do you not know how to use a computer. I figured since you posted on here you did. Oh and Independent you forgot to compare this years proposed debt by Obama (1.65 trillion to all 10 Years of Iraq and Afghanistan 1.10) Damn clowdy I would say you just dont like to hear facts.

No I don't support it, but I think that the blame belongs just as much on the republicans side. The wasted monies on the military and wars we can't win and 6,000 wasted lives are partially to blame. The military seems to get its huge increases every year and for What? Protecting our freedom from Iraq that never threatened us and lies about WMD. taking steps backward on the environment, woman's rights, sociai security, educations and the needy is not the right way or the only way to go!

Clwyd, most republicans would agree it was stupid to remove Saddam from Iraq. He was, for all his terrible things, the stabilizing force of the area.

That being said, Radical Islam groups (key word on radical there, as its the important part), are in the camp of believe in what I do, or I kill you. Them existing at all is a threat to not only the US, but the world.

The U.S will always get involved in things like this. So will other nations, even though the U.S will always get the bigger blame. Because last time we turned out heads and said not out problem, we had Hitler.

Add on to the Middle East being a hotbed of inter warfare for the last, you know, beginning of its history, the further development of weapons in general, the ease of travel, and everything else that comes with our modern world, and just closing your eyes and ignoring global politics and events is blind.

No matter WHAT side your on.

As for going backwards... Sorry, when the Democratic party dismissed scientific data, then says ON FILM, that they dont have the luxury of waiting for all the scientific fats, I find it hard to side with them.

Education?

Hawaii is an overwhelming Democratic state. I think they only have one republican on the board. They refuse. REFUSE. to cut sporting events and such for funding. One guy gave his friends company @!$%# loads of money to start building the tram before it was even approved.

The kids here go to school at 8. get off at 2. Except on every other friday. And national holidays. And state holidays. US government gave the state extra funding..... which was spent on something else.

We have one here that lives on another island. Flies over here, and back, several times a week. Also rents a house, and a car. All using tax payer money.

Sorry, but Democrats are every bit as corrupt.

Runishin, for all the talk of radical groups I think we need to be honest and see if what we have done has made them any less radical? Oh contrar! We have tortured some, beheaded others, killed thousands of innocent civilians who's families now want revenge. we have put despotic leaders in to lead knowing there was mass voter fraud and that there are millions (billions?) of dollars they have banked thanks to us While we worry about budget deficits, because of them, and Americans who supported our actions and still give this line of bull, "They are fighting for our freedom!" "Freedom isn't Free" are now saying we have to stop spending!

Clwyd, Its not the governments goal to make them less radical. That cannot ever happen. Its their goal to make sure they do not gain enough power and influence to stop them from starting a world war.

One bee is not a problem. Hell, 10 bees are not a problem. Its when they have a large enough group that they can sustain, that they become a problem. The U.S (and the rest of the world at large) is in a place where the actions can cause ripples and waves throughout everything we do. Its what comes with tech. Its what comes with ease of travel.

The U.S has a lot of problems I, personally, have many ideas on what could be done to help, just like everyone has their own ideas on what they think they would do.

Getting the ideas circulating, talked about, funded. Thats what needs to be done.

Democrat, Republican, it doesn't matter. Both sides are meant to be the mouth pieces for the people. Both sides have forgotten that. And that, my friend, is what needs to be fixed.

Both sides are ruled by money. Both sides have their own companies who pay them / get paid. Both sides will push their own agenda. For more power. So they can make more money. Its the sad truth.

Money is the God that most Americans actually worship.

gendolkari - I see the bank wants payment on that loan you took out, huh??

not even, they spend more like 8 months every year working because of their very long "breaks." What they really need to do is spend 8 hours a day every day, five times a week, 48 weeks a year like most other americans, but instead they work an average of 6 hours a day 5 days a week and 35 weeks a year.

A line Item Veto is Unconstitutional. it Violates the Separation of Powers Act. since the constitution says that Congress and only the Congress has the right to appropriate monies for the Budget.

I guess President Obama will just have to go in with the Signng Statements,...those were SO much more legitimate.

You know this, how? You've seen the bill?

dosh,

The Tea party got 38 billion in cuts. Thanks go to them!

WTF are you talking about?? It's like you live in your own little world, convincing yourself that your self- concocted truth is reality. MAJOR cuts will be made. Maybe not 40 billion but If you call 30 billion in cuts a win then....

Ummmm watt, that still leaves the Tea Party 62B short of their goal doesn't it?

Or are you talking about the 100B that morphed to 60B right after they took office as a "prorated amount" and then morphed to a 100B off Obamas budget? Which means they knew there was no wayin hell it was going to happen and covered their ass with a changing story. And bear inmind the Tea Party still never accepted 60B.

And no riders. nanny nanny boo boo.

joe, them dems win because their terms were the ones met for a CR, clean bill with a deal a few days away.

Considering the nature of the riders that were attachted they had to disappear because there was no way the Dems could vote for them, or Obama to sign off.

Unless you really think he would let HCR be defunded.

great logic. I'm sure you'll sleep well tonight.

You are right! Thanks, Tea Party, for so resolutely trying to cripple our economy and hurt people. You really are great guys and gals!

Dosh,

What you said about the GOP and Tea Party is exactly the kind of mindset that needs to stop on both sides. This isn't a f'ing game.

So far, I'm not fond of the Tea Party Caucus either, but if they'd shape up and start acting like adults, instead of spoiled brat teenagers, then I'd have nothing mean to say about them. For the record, more House Dems voted against the stop gap bill tonight than Reps (42-28), and I applaud them for that move. Keep that up, and I'll shut up.

Hey, dosh!

We all lost. We are running a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit! We are 14 trillion dollars in debt! We need to cut $1,600,000,000,001 just to pay the debt down by $1. If the republicans got the $100billion they wanted, it wouldn't be enough. Our debt will still grow. The sad thing is, the democrats want to spend more. No normal person thinks like this.

Nope, looks like they came about 20B short and lost probably most of the riders.

The GOP folded cause they just couldn't take the heat.

this is a temporary stalemate. Don't lose interest, keep watching in the days/weeks to come.

I'm not going anywhere. This is just getting good.

I don't really think the stalemate is between the Congress and the Senate, I think it's between the old Republicans and the Tea Party.

I like Boehner. I think he's a good honest guy and perfect as speaker in a divided government. He knows how to get stuff done. Left to his own devices this budget would have probably been long past.

But he's in a position that requires him to work with Democrats while having to deal with a bunch of non negotiating firebrands that expect to get everything they want. That's not the way it works. So the interesting part is whats going on as far as power struggles within the GOP? If he makes concessions, as he would be forced too to reach a deal, how are the freshman dealing with it?

Reid, who said he would never allow it, conceded to allowing the key riders to be put up for a vote in the Senate in order to get the deal done. While the Republicans didn't get the riders in the bill, they have a guarantee of a vote in the full Senate. I'm okay with that.

They reached a deal Travis. You'll get paid.

Thank you for your service!

The continuation of the tax cuts were passed last year. It was a Democrat House, Senate and White House that passed the bill.

Just the opposite is happening Oppie. The more the people are hearing about the Republican policies the more support that they're giving to Republicans. Where were you in November? The pounding that the Democrats took over the widespread disapproval of their policies was historic.

Typical far-right-winger, so anti-science, so anti-education.

Don't you want to plumb the mysteries of the universe? Where did we come from, and, Is there anyone else?

...No, I suppose not, not when you have the Bible and Fox News to hand you all the answers.

To equate the TeaPartiers with Christianity is to say that the 911 terrorists represent all Muslims. There is more than enough to find repugnant about the TeaParty without dragging theri false claim to faith into the discussion. In fact I think that the God of the Bible is repulsed by the things that they say and do. And didn't Jesus talk about loving your neighbors more than yourself and the way you treat the least in society shows what you think about God.

Teardrop: keep on crying, baby, because you are wrong. Any budget would have been shot down by the lazy, worthless party of HELL NO YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE. This agreement is a travesty but not nearly as bad as the idiotic proposal of the moron Paul Ryan.

democratic roots at their finest...

Call a Tea Partier "democratic," and some of them will immediately consider that an insult and feint reaching for their concealed handgun ...because the verb's spelling is too close to the pronoun, "Democrat."

No, they prefer to be called, "Patriotic."

...As for me, I would call them something else.

Did you notice in the past week, the Democrats have been careful not to put blame on Boehner, but to put it on the Tea Party?

Did you also notice that Boehner was coming out of the meetings with an optimistic attitude, then saying deal off after he met with the rest of the party?

And what about him leaving those insane riders in there? He's an old hand at this and that those riders were an automatic death sentence for the bill once it hit the Senate. Why would he leave them and let it carry on this far if it was hopeless?

I think Boehner, Reid and Obama are setting up the Tea Party to help Boehner get his house in order. All three of them know that the worst thing they could do would be to have government stagnate til the next election, but it's going to be hard to get anything done with the Tea Party riding Boehners ass to not compromise. And really all three of them would love to see the Tea Party disappear come election time.

The good news is that although the defunding of PP was taken out of the bill, in order to get the budget passed Reid had to agree that he would put the issue to a vote in the full Senate. This is something that he said he would not do.

Poor Harry also had to agree to bring the repeal of Obama care to a vote in the Senate, something that will cost the Democrats dearly in the coming elections.

It sucks to lose, don't it Harry (;-)

If there are those who want to vote in favor of defunding Title X that provides for cancer screening and other women's health concerns then they should go for it. They should be on record if they want to keep women and the poor without proper health care.

Except the teahadist who, before Boehner even stepped to the microphone to announce the agreement, threatened to "primary" him. Let's see how bad John of Orange really is. Wonder if he can cry his way out of that

The middle class has no problems with the GOP.

The ones feeling the squeeze are the life forms kicked back, with their hands out..

It's about to get a lot worse, parasites

you are SO right, Wilburn,

Those Corporations and Farm subsidy parasites are about to get a lot worse. Every time they see their government teat pulled away, they double down on Culture Wars and 'Values'.

So you feel anyone with a progressive mindset does not work for a living? It's mathematically impossible for that to be true. Flunked math did ya?

You are completely indoctrinated.