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If a government shutdown becomes inevitable, lawmakers appear ready to pass last-minute legislation to prevent the most unpopular possible effect of a funding gap: the delay of paychecks to members of the armed services.
Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, has introduced legislation that would pay the military on time even if a larger federal funding lapse occurs. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, has introduced companion legislation in the Senate and has indicated that the measure has ample support on her side of the aisle.
GOP sources tell NBC News that if a shutdown appears inevitable there is a very good possibility this military funding bill would be brought to the House floor, passed quickly, and sent on to the Senate.
“The pressure is fortunately mounting now on both sides to take care of those who are fighting for us,” Gohmert said on his Facebook page.
The House has already passed a measure that would fund the military through the rest of the fiscal year, but it is attached to a larger one-week spending bill that both Senate Democrats and President Obama have said they would reject.
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It's becoming more apparent with each passing hour, that this really is ALL about who's going to blink first!
The Democrats have certainly done an honest & amazing job at framing what's REALLY going on in DC!
The fiscal demands of the extortionists have not only met but exceeded!
This is nothing more than an attempt by extreme ideologues to circumvent women's reproductive rights!
Anyone smarter than a 5th grader can see that!
Honest and Amazing.
Red, I can't believe that even you think that. Where was this honesty and amazing job last summer when they did not pass a budget, yet had a majority in both houses, plus the President.
And we love the fact that you always throw the "fake filibuster" out there, considering that maybe every once in while you have to make them filibuster to see if they true to their word. But Harry was too scared to do it.
Now that is honest and amazing.
And I don't believe that a single person doesn't believe that women have the right to do with their bodies what they want to--It just shouldn't be done with taxpayer funds--not from the federal level.
Pass this bill. Fund the troops. Bring them home. Find more cuts and get our spending under control.
Been there, done that.
It was tough enough even when I was being paid.
Fund the troops!
I want our troops to be paid every single dollar and on time. If not then nobody in Congress gets a check either. This hostage sh!t is getting old.
Just pay our Troops!!!!
Fiesty, it's like a grand soap opera, they leave us hanging after every on the hour, news update. "We don't want to shut the gov. down." I predict a drama right before midnight. Did the TP/Repubs really think we'd let this abortion issue come in through the back door? They have a very low opinion of the majority of women and our brains. Progressive women are not that stupid.
I find the notion that this bill interferes with 'women's reproductive rights' to be funny. How in the world does Planned Parenthood ensure women's reproductive rights? Are they preventing you from reproducing? I think not. I suspect you mean the right to an abortion. If so then I submit it is the wrong term. The right to an abortion would be 'abortion rights'. Of course 'abortion rights' doesn't sound quite so defensible does it?
Hey big bear little thinker. If they had passed the budget last year, it would have taken longer for the American public to see their real agenda.
Jim it does interfear with a womans reproductive rights because planned parent hood provides cervical cancer testing and breast cancer testing hiv testing as well as birth control to prevent pregnancy in those who try to be responsible! Abortions are not allowed to be federally funded no matter what people must pay them out of pocket!There fore abortions issues are MOOT! But because planned parenthood provides all legal options to people who become pregnant which they must do by law for medical purposes just like hippa protects your medical info it becomes a social fight! it is information they are not being told " i think you should have an abotions" they are being told " here is a pamphlet with all options available to you at this time! If you need aditional information please let us know and we can provide you with a name to refer to!" In no way shape or form should other people be able to deem what is appropriate for every other person when it comes to a personal and ethical decission for another person!
You know it michelle - you want to talk about a bunch of drama queens!
Heard a CO Congresswoman on my way home ask an excellent question of the Weeper of the House, she said if this is NOT about the 'rider' then why doesn't Boehner come right out and say they'll take it OFF the table?
Hmmm... Me thinks he's lying through his tobacco stained teeth! ;o)
Feisty, you must be really proud of Mr. Obama and the Democrats resolve. They would rather fight for funding to pay for rubbers and abortions; then make sure that our couragous servicemen and woman defending our freedom get a paycheck.
That would be President Obama to you Glenn!
I would get used to saying it - otherwise, it's gonna be a LONG 6 years! ;o)
Why should the taxpayers be responsible to fund a woman's "right to choose"? They have that right, but we the taxpayers should NOT be paying for it. And by the way, Planned Parenthood gets funding from the gov't, with our tax money. PP does NOT break that money out in their bank account from their other funds, so when they DO pay for an abortion, and yes, the DO this all the time, how you can you say you know federal funds aren't paying for them?
BTW..it's BUTTBAMA to most of the intelligent people in America. This socialist idiot has done nothing but drive our country into the ground and now he's refusing to make sure our military are taken care of because HE and HIS MORON DEMOCRATIC PARTY couldn't get off their thumbs and do their job...and why was that? Because all they were focused on was their election..see where that got them?
I'm not Tea Party, I'm true blue American who is absolutely fed up with our country being run by a bunch of politician, lying windbags that don't care one bit about our country..
Referring to him as the POTUS or even the commander-in-chief of our armed forces just makes me throw up a little in my mouth; so the most respect he will get from me is being called Mr.
What I have to look forward to is now there is less than two years that we have to put up with his endless campaigning, vacation trips, march madness selections, and Moonbat rhetoric until he is out pounding-the-streets looking for a work, and counting the days until his unemployment check arrives.
Maybe he can make a deal with McDonalds for a McJob in 2012.
This is the dumbest government ever. Our service people better get their money and on time!!! Heck, they are risking their life for a pack of crooks, liars and idiots! I ask again, why haven't congress decided to take a pay cut? I spit on Washington D.C.!!! And the crap about planned parenthood. What a joke! Just keep your pants on, your legs crossed!! You get knocked up, that's your problem, not mine!!! My God, this country makes me sick!!!
Well then... I would suggest you don't CHOKE on it!
Oh, and, probably a good idea to find some mouthwash before you attempt to kiss you significant other!
Rumor has it that Somalia is nice this time of year elayne & an added bonus is YOU don't have to pay taxes!
BON VOYAGE BABY!
Glad to see this coming through the pipes and i hope it's a clean stand alone bill.
I guess the old guard Republicans deicded they weren't going to let the Tea Party hang them on this one.
Feisty,
Your comments are so ignorant. I want you to tell me five things that MR. OBAMA (and I will say whatever I please) has done for this country? He has done nothing but make it far worse than what it already was. Our deficit is far worse than anything President Bush could have ever done. Your bias is sickening. Planned Parenthood has been researched numerous times and found to be so corrupt it is not even funny! I think it is a disgrace that a fellow American would rather see our service people go without pay versus having Planned Parenthood stay intact and funded. What an utter catastrophy that is. Your nasty retorts back to others is also demeaning. Can you not speak to others in a more polite manner? Perhaps you need to take "Speech 1010" hun! And your comment back to Elayne was nasty and uncalled for. Everyone has a right to their opinion but since you can not seem to recognize that, you should not speak! How bout you hitch a ride to Somalia smart a**!
oh, and another thing. If you truly believe that any smart Americans are going to re-elect Mr. Obama, then you must be living on planet Mars. He will never see another day in office past the last day he has to serve.. I thought the wiping out of so many democratic seats previously would have shown blind people like you that........
I have to apologize Misty - I DON'T respond to demands!
Perhaps it's you honey who needs to re-examine, talking to others in your so-called 'polite' manner there babe!
Trust me, you foaming at the mouth is not a 'good' look for you!
Now, if you want to ask questions like a grown up - I would be more than happy to respond missy!
Do try to have a nice weekend will ya - in the meantime, your med cart should be arriving soon! ;o)
Misty, I am curious, did you graduate the 5th grade?
"I want you to tell me five things that MR. OBAMA (and I will say whatever I please) has done for this country?"
I'll take that challenge
Reduced the trade defecit with China by 25%
Got credit card reform through
Has gotten the recovery nicely underway
Reset relations with Russia and improved foreign relations
Ended DADT
Improved VA benefits and the GI bill
OK dosh. I don't care what anyone says, but Healt Care Reform had to be number one. Do you know Republican are quoting it's numbers in their budget reduction?
Redhead
Perhaps you can answer this; why did Harry Reid attach a homosexual amendment to the military stand alone bill? I thought "stand alone"meant exactly that. There was also serious consideration on the Democratic side of the isle to attach the dream act to it also. I served in the military for 33 years and have never seen this type of selfish stupidity.
If I dropped HCR in misty would have automatically dismissed it si I went with less controversial achievements.
No I didn't know they were using it, but i noticed Ryans budget is simultaneously trying to kill it and requires large parts of it to stay in place.
Mike - Myabe if you can tell me what the hell you're talking about, I might be able to answer?
Until then... well, my friend, you're on you own...
Sorry dosh, do you know what misty has ever accomplished?
Proud American and you would know that Planned parent hood provides money for abortions how? Did they pay for yours? First of all there is a law preventing it secondly they must provide a detailed statment of everything their money goes to to prive that! Thirdly Planned parenthood is for information and medical care you people need to get a grip! Go ahead and loose your job and see where your mammogram comes from or your pap to test for cervical cancer! I am so sick of fanatics who are soley against every program available what are you suppose to do when your insurance sucks! Some places do not have jobs that pay huge and offer awsome benifits people who live there bust their buts and do the best they can and they pay taxes too! As a matter of fact us lower and middle class pay more damn taxes than the rich so i guess sincei pay more taxes maybe my vote should be bigger!
No clue what shes accomplished, but I hope shes proud of what she has, and can continue to be so.
Perhaps she will. Maybe she has a loved one in the military. If she were the Mother of a soldier, that would be a true accomplishment. There are many here concerned that their loved ones get paid for their Military Service. I cannot believe they would even begin to think the Democrats would allow them not to be paid. There is only one side playing that card.
Feisty1, it's clear you believe Planned Parenthood does good work. But I must take issue with your assertion that they protect women's reproductive 'rights'. Screening for disease (cervical cancer, breast cancer, hiv) does not protect women's reproductive 'rights'. It does help them detect medical problems (which is good) but we have Obamacare now. It will take over on that front. After all, does anyone have the 'right' to stay healthy?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand how you justify the notion that I (or any American citizen) should have to pay for a woman's right to reproduce. Or, in the case of abortion, not reproduce when they accidentally reproduce.
Whoever said anyone has a right to reproduce anyway?
BTW, do men have 'reproductive rights'?
Feisty1... how about we modify the tax code such that for every dollar one pays in income tax one gets one vote. Sound fair?
Jim, that should be dollars where someone was not exploited and they were paid equitably to what they contributed to the bottom line.
Redhead, is misty really a babe, do you have pictures?
OK, but what should we do with all the welfare recipients and government employees?
Jim, how do we really know that your company is not giving you welfare by keeping you on? I worked for many years and always said it was welfare. If I showed up, they gave me a check. I may have saved my company tens of millions of dollars (just doing my job), I was just always happy to have a paycheck.
Jim i guess men do have reproductive rights in a sence but this hold up is regaurding womens screenings! I do feel very passionate about it twice programs like this have helped me cause they found my breast lump and my cervical cells and saved my life! And everyone keeps saying Planned parent hood funds abortions when it DOESNT! they only provide individuals with the information needed to receive one leagally if NEEDED! Giving a referal from planned parenthood is no differnt than getting it from any other doctor! Why do people think the only place to get that info is from planned parenthood! You can get information or referral services from almost any clinic and or hospital in the nation! Those same clinics and hospitals are also offering info for those who want to keep it but cannot afford health care guess where those women get sent to! You got it planned parent hood! If plans like this are abolished people will have no where else to go! They cannot afford 5k for a mamogram and 1k for cervical screenings! When i say that they protect a womans reproductive rights they do because the things we discuss are private! When i wanted to save my cervix and my breast they did that when other places turned me away because i had crappy insurance to me that is helping me save my reproductive right! Also giving women affordable care so they can have birthcontrol is a reproductive right! There are politicians out there now a days who want to even do away with birthcontrol becasue of religious beliefs! That again is a reproductive right a woman has the right to choose not to and protect from pregnancy if she chooses to to take that away would be wrong! Not to mention we would have people with 9 kids needing more welfare programs because their family is too large to feed. There are so many aspects of this people do not think about its unreal! But most of all i wanted to thank you for your respective reply! It is rare to have people do that and i truely apprechiate how you responded! Again Thank you!
Fiesty1
If it were planned testicle survival, perhaps Jim would feel different.
Feisty1, I'm glad PP was able to help you when you needed it. I think the GOP is offended by them though because they are the largest provider of abortion services in the country.
ir12, your comment is shallow yet underscores my concern. Does PP provide testicular cancer screening? How about prostate cancer? What about hiv testing for gay men? HPV testing for anyone? I don't begrudge anyone the right to basic health care but come on! Everyone needs it. Let's be fair when it comes to public funding of such organizations. And let's not couch our criticism under the guise of women's 'reproductive rights'.
Jim, I am confused, as a person posting on this board, I would assume you have knowledge of the differences of how the science of medicine is tilted toward disease that effects men vs women. How many women have died of breast cancer (no matter how much men like them)? However, let a little nodule appear on a testicle and the medical society goes crazy with a mandate "We have to solve this problem". You are correct if I understand you to imply the the two should treated equally. The sad fact is they are not.
jim they do not privide abortions service they only send you to the correct people! no planned parenthood i have ever been to provides this service in their care! Only referals to clinics that do when needed! Truth be told people go there for their referals cause its a safe haven of not being judged!
I don't believe they are asking the right questions to get to a resolution. Are the congress and senators going to get paid? If the military and others don't get paid, then they should also not get paid because they are the GOVERNMENT! I am appalled and saddened. Politics has no soul and that is much of the problem. Boehner, were is your faith?
the constitution requires that they get paid. That is an amendment I would support to have their pay regulated. Oh, they are also required to get raises even in lean times!
The issue of Congress not receiving pay was mentioned but never brought to the floor of Congress for a real discussion. As a matter of fact, one of the newer members of Congress complained that he "needed" his pay because he had quite a number of kids to care for. I guess the troops currently serving are rich and can afford to go without pay...the nerve!
They will get paid. This is just another attempt by the right to wrap themselves in the American flag. By the way, they really do not care if the military gets paid, only if they get tax breaks.
never mind
Boner has faith... in the corporation.
Hey AFGuy, anything to say now? Was I right? I accept your apology.
they are my senators! way to go Kay Bailey...
Actually, I do not think any member of congress should get paid at all if they can not get their jobs done on time..For the 174K plus a year I would surely think they would be capable of doing something right..so far, that has not been the case...as everything they deal with cost the tax payers even more. They, congress , should get paid for real work done...not the garbage they pass to give each other a pat on the back..or to name some road after someone else for whatever reason...
I love it. Last minute save your bacon time. Well, I'll tell you what Republicans. We have 14,000 Marines assigned to 29 Palms, CA. Some are in Iraq, some in Afghanistan, and all of their families are here. In addition, the 5,000 plus civilian workers on this base just got handed their walking papers this noon. Don't come to work after 9PM tonight. You're all on unpaid leave. I'm a Democrat. Not a problem voting for our Representative Republican Jerry Lewis from this district. But the Party of No just crossed the line and there's no going back now. I'm a retired Marine with two sons in the Marines, all our families are registered Democrats. If we have to stand on the highway waving placards and covering the tailgates of our pick-ups with Democrat bumper stickers we are going to flush the proverbial toilet come next election. This is pure child's play. Grow up gentlemen!
mikemather, well may I say thank you and your wonderful family for their service. We all want you to get paid, and then some. I will sit in front of my local Walmart with signs for the next election cycle, these loons gotta go!
Abortion is not a right for a women, she is killing an innocent life. Let's think about the rights of the child. I stand for the Republicans on that debate. If they want an abortion the governement shouldn't pay for it. There does NOT need to be funding for abortion clinics. I am upset that Obama would even entertain the idea of not paying military!!!! All that they have done for this country!! I bet Obama will not be re-elected. Even if the military does get paid, he will not be re-elected due to the fact that we now know that Obama does not care for his military. That is not a President that I want!!!!!!
Very Upset! Well, dear, there is already a law, called the Hite Amendment, prohibiting the Feds. from funding any abortions. So get your facts straight, get off the Fox!
michelle-1073610, you just made my day. thank you for saying what we all wanted to.
OK Very Upset, I will never force you to get an abortion no matter how much I believe it will help the gene pool. The Federal Government impacts so many parts of our lives and no one will agree with 100% of what they fund. The problem with our democracy is that it tries to accommodate all Americans, not just you.
I don't mean to correct you michelle - but it's the 'Hyde' Amendment written by none other than Henry Hyde former speaker of the house & adulterer from IL! lol
@ Very Upset - I don't know anyone who is PRO-Abortion, it's called PRO-CHOICE for a reason and it's a choice between the woman, her doctor & higher being!
Find somewhere else to stick your nose into!
Why is it your right though to tell another woman what to do with her body?
Why do the Democrats think it is their right to mandate that we buy health insurance? One more thing, once ObamaCare goes into affect and every man, woman and child has to have health insurance your personal physician or OB/GYN will be providing the same services that Planned Parenthood does. If you are on Medicaid the taxpayers are already funding your needs, including woman's care. This is double taxation and one has to go. Since the Democrats were so forceful in pushing ObamaCare I don't see why defunding PP upsets them so much....
Would it be justified for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlequin-type_ichthyosis
High fatality rate after birth and those who do survive have severe chronic ichthyosis. It's also extremely traumatic for the mother due to the childs monstrous appearance.
Depends on what you're asking as justified? Women choosing an abortion or taxpayers funding it? You do know that the Republicans are not outlawing abortion but are making sure that the taxpayers are not paying for it, right? I am behind them 100% on this.. If you want or need an abortion, pay for it out of your own pocket. I also don't believe that abortion should be included in any health insurance coverage. If you think you're going to need an abortion, in the foreseeable future, buy an insurance rider that is also not funded with any of my insurance premiums. These riders should be exclusively funded with premiums paid to and for those riders...
I don't believe in these wars that we're in but I never got a say whether or not MY taxes I paid went to it or not! Why should you get to decide that since you don't like something that you get to interfere in someone's health care and medical decisions? that should not be a political decision. it is a medical one.
Taxation=Public Responsibility.
Selfish, selfish, selfish Teabaggers.
Ellie Mae, don't you even bother to learn the facts before you form your opinion? Tax money does NOT pay for abortions. Go read up on the Hyde Amendment. It's personal donations to Planned Parenthood that are used for the small percent (3%) of their services that involve abortion. Your taxes go to PREVENT pregnancy and STDs, by providing birth control, counseling and health care.
We made sure years ago that taxpayers are not paying for abortions. Try reading more facts.
Ellie Mae Clampett, I would not madate you to have heath care insurance if the hospitals can allow you to die if you show up at one and do not have health care insurance. Let me know when that happens cause I would like to come and watch you beg for your life.
Tax payer funded Ellie.
The folks we're discussing don't have the option of getting private insurance for whatever reason, usually financial. Otherwise they wouldn't be eligible for government assistance in the first place.
This would not fall inline with the rape, incest, or life of the mother clause, but as sad as it makes me to say, it would be a mercy for the child and the mother.
Oh how refreshing.. All of you are so busy bashing me personally that you forgot to answer my legitimate question..... ObamaCare and Medicaid OR Planned Parenthood? They will both be providing the same services and both receiving taxpayer funding and subsidy's.. Which one has to go? It is double taxation to fund both with taxpayer monies...
You are all so hung up on the idea that I am against abortions... Let me clear up this idiotic thinking you all possess... I DON'T GIVE A RATS PATOOTY IF YOU OBTAIN AN ABORTION.. HAVE ALL OF THEM THAT YOUR BIG OLE HEARTS DESIRES... IT IS MY RIGHT TO NOT FUND IT.....
Katrix, please provide proof that not one dime of taxpayer monies pay for abortions anywhere, not just Planned Parenthood.... BTW, I may have forgot to mention that I sat on the board of directors for Planned Parenthood and they're truly providing a needed service.. But once ObamaCare kicks in these services will be covered items, as mandated, and easily obtained through your mandated health insurance. If Planned Parenthood wants to remain in the game, they will have to adjust their costs and bill their recipients health insurance, the same as your physician will be required to do and with no government funding....
Really Ellie, do you not understand that "AFTER" the coverage kicks in, we can eliminate it. Your problem is you are trying to eliminate it before it kicks in. Perhaps you would fall for that, but we won't.
Really ir, Planned Parenthood has been around an awful long time, to bad your parents didn't take advantage of their services...
And why not "eliminate" it now? The Democrats eliminated the best parts of my flex spending account, why should I have to suffer because of ObamaCare, RIGHT NOW, and others don't?
"They will both be providing the same services and both receiving taxpayer funding and subsidy's.. Which one has to go? It is double taxation to fund both with taxpayer monies..."
So you would argue that since the Army and Marines serve many of the same functions, one of them needs to go?
That after all would be "double taxation."
They tried, but I was too smart for them. There was this little crevice, so I inched my way over to it and hid. When the coat hanger came in, I sucked it in as far as I could and fortunately, it missed it. I don't think my mother ever forgave me for outsmarting her, but she does love me. It sounds to me as though you have an issue with flex spending accounts. I am not sure what that has to do with Planned Parenthood, but I wish you luck. Looks like they just came to a compromise, so I guess this conversation is moot.
I am a military spouse and the thought that we could possibly not be paid is just makes me sick. To know that there are over 100000 men and women risking there lives in three different war fronts and to have to worry about their families back home is disgusting. My husband works hard to make pennies as it is. I am one of the lucky ones who has a savings and sufficient funds to hold us over for a month if need be however not many people do. The military should not be held hostage while congress tries to duke it out over a budget that should have been passed last September. I hope they get their heads out of the sand and pass the budget this is ridiculous.
If the Republicans were sincere about the funding the military, all they would have to do is support a bill to fund the military with no strings. They did not do that. That is called politics. My take on it is they do not care about the military no matter what they say.
Wasn't it a Republican Rep and a Republican Senator that brought bills out to fund the military? Why is it that the Democrats didn't think to bring out a stand alone to fund the military? Actually, why is it that the Democrats didn't pass a budget, as mandated by law (1974) for 2011 by October 1st of 2010?
Ellie, are you paying attention? You can't just change facts to meet you needs. Democrats had a plan to fund the military without amendments. It did not meet the Republican agenda. Get with the program and pay attention.
Ronald Reagan said it best: "...Facts are stupid things"
Lol.
OK ir, where was their budget? And I have goggled my wittle fingers off trying to find that "stand alone" bill that the Democrats introduced for funding our military threw a government shut down... Can you please post a link to your source? I know, I know, I'm a lazy no good for nothing conservative independent but honestly, I couldn't find it...
You are correct Ellie - there are no bills introduced in either the house or senate by the Dem's to fund the military. There is no budget either. Only complaints about what the GOP wants to cut.
If you are talking about the house, well the Republicans are in charge and it would do the Democrats no good to introduce a bill, although they would have voted to fund the military. Democrats held their ground and the Republicans caved because the knew they had nothing to stand on. The military is gong to be paid as all good Democrats knew they would. The Republicans are the only ones that wanted to use the military for politcal gain. Shame. Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.Shame.
Oh, did I mention Shame?
Kudos to Representative Gohmert and Senator Hutchison for using common sense! It has baffled me since Day 1 that neither side was not willing to at least push through a stand-alone bill to pay the troops! Pay the troops on time and haggle over the Planned Parenthood issue on Congress' dime. I am disappointed and embarrassed by both the Republicans and Democrats in the House and Senate!
Pam, why are you embarrassed by the Democrats? They are not trying to change business as usual. Some of us believe they are doing a wonderful job. We also believe there is room for improvement, but it has to be negotiated during the normal course of business, not by ambush.
I too am embarrassed by both parties. This is not a partisan issue, this is about taking care of our troops. My husband is a 100% disabled veteran, and both he and I agree that the military needs to be taken care of FIRST. This isn't about Democrats doing their job or Republican's doing their's, of who isn't doing what. This is about our troops risking their lives and leaving their loved ones at home. PAY THE TROOPS.
I have called and emailed the White House, Boehner, Reid, all of the Senators and House members with this message, as well as telling them if they don't pass the budget, they shouldn't get paychecks either. This whole thing of "I'll give it back" is all fine and good, but we have no proof that you actually did so, and I don't trust the government anymore. No one gets paid except the military if the government shuts down, including the President, VP, Supreme Court, Senate, etc. That's how it should be.
Pam, Patricia et all,
I am confused as to why the military is so important to you. Is it somehow more important to feed their children than those of say the CIA or FBI. How about the person that processes your passport so you can take that vacation you have saved all these years for? U.S Marshals, TSP employees? How about Federal Grand Juries? Where do we draw the line? All of these people are important. What you fail to realize is this is a ploy by the Republican Congress to make you harass your Congress Person to pass the law no mater what is says. As Samuel Johnson said “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”. Your patriotism is how you are being played.
Why silly - they don't wear those FLAG PINS for nothing dont'cha know! lol
Misty first of all get yourself a copy of the buget left behind by bush! then compare it to what has had to happen! I voted for the lesser of 2 evils mccain and palin please mccain voted against every thing he could for provision for military personal! Shame on him! Secondly i was not talking about Obama you nit wit! I was talking about the one issue currently holding up this damn thing in the first place get with the programs girlfriend! Now to continue My family proudly has served for generations so watch who you are talking military too! I want this passed as much as anyone else it is holding up my home loan! On another note Places like planned parenthood have twice saved my life with cancer screenings so your dam right i am going to stand up for womens health care!
OK FRH. sorry I did not reply to the Flag conversation earlier. I have an issue with the whole US Flag issue. Republicans aways seem to want to protect the US Flag no mater what the cause is. However, nothing they expose seems to enhance the Flag and what it stands for. They always want to protect the flag from all kinds of horror. Seems to me the US Flag has protected itself based on what it stands for, for the last 235 years without the help of the Republican Party. When the US Flag becomes incapable of protecting itself, perhaps the time has come to let it go. I do not see how the Republican Party will be able to save it.
Good Saturday Morning ir!
Here's a little nugget to think about:
If I were Obama I would not pay the troops either... maybe we can then stop wasting billions fighting wars which the GOP had no desire to raise taxes to fight...
@ IR12 Why is the military so important? Why don't you walk a day in anyone of their shoes....You obviously don't have anyone in your family that is courageous enough to do this job or you would never dare ask this question.
@Kevin Bitz If I were Obama I would not pay the troops either? Same response as above
Your an embarrassment and should be ashamed! Obviously you have no admiration for these valiant men & women!!
PAY OUR TROOPS!!!!
Disgusted, me too of you. I am a Vietnam Vet, when did you serve? I volunteered as I am sure your son or daughter did as well. Your problem is you believe one individual is more important than another. We are not discussing individuals, but agendas. There is a segment of our society that will wrap themselves in the American Flag to fool people like you so you will support their agenda. If you really think your soldier and Marine will not be paid, then you are the fool twice.
So ir12..if you are a Vietnam Vet than I thank you too for your service...however I really don't give a damn who is fooling who and what their agenda is....it is their jobs to figure it out and apparently they can't do the job they were hired to do.....and they will be paid....really???? they are already being short paid this paycheck and when will they be paid????? Do you think its fair to do a job and not get paid for it???And really I would think you would agree (since you've been there) that someone giving their life 24/7 is NOT the same as the person that checks your passport at the airport.
Just heard on the news, your loved one will be paid. (What a surprise????????????) I would not agree one person on this planet is more important than another. If you do not believe me, ask their mother.
They damn well better fund the troops. We are watching we are watching closely.
Gee Lisa, I am glad you are watching, I just hope you are understanding.
Holy smokes... a budgetary bill without riders! Say it ain't so!
Neither party should be able to add riders to a bill. A bill should be about what the bill is, not be piggybacking 50 misbegotten clandestine attempts to pass something that wouldn't otherwise pass on its own.
The thing is both parties love this cosy little trick and use it whenever they can.
it is beyond me why politician are so afriad of anything that has to do with defense. yes it is a good idea to pay the people that you sent to fight. but all this spending cuts debate, there has not being one cent removed from defense budget. we are ten times more armed than every country combined. why do we need all those weapons. we can always ramp it up once they are need.
lets get serious with our budget cut, everything and everthing should be on the table. tax increase, across the board spending cut, cuts to every subs, closing tax loop holes.
the republican's are surely going to get the blame for this, it is a budget, not a social attack.
Well, I'm certainly delighted to see that our respective politicans can finally agree on something! This is the least that they (the politicans) and we (as citizens) can do for our servicemen and women putting themselves in harm's way to protect us.
My thoughts and prayers go out to our troops! Hopefully, they can all return home soon -- safely and honorably!
Here's wishing everyone a wonderful weekend! Enjoy spring -- at last!
Those of us serving will more than likely get back paid anything we miss out on during the furlough, after the budget gets passed. Does stink for a lot of the E-4's and below though. They don't make too horribly much. Even so, there are companies like Navy Federal Credit Union, Navy and Marine Corps Relief Society, and the other branches repective relief societies that are stepping up their game to lend us aid if we need it. Thank You all for your support in these trying times, y'all get a big HOORAH from me!
People get real, stop take A good look. all this is to get your mine on something else while they past bills you never heard of all kind of laws. What need to be done it is like cleaning your garage or house anything you done need are doing what it was suppose to do .What you do you get rid of it. So the same for politicians from the head to the foot.How can you be Commander and Chief and never been in the Boy Scout. Put all new until you get the right ones.You do not let bad apples make the whole country look bad and later for some few families that suppose to be running this whole thing sat back people take A good look get rid of this mess so we can get on with freedom of choice and happiness.
truth be told politicians should not be allowed to communicate with people who fund their elections processes during a time like this! None of them! They should be voting their concious and for the people not for the people who fund their reelections! Lock them all in a room like a jury with no outside access to the world until it is done and with hold their paychecks until they actually do their jobs!
fiesty1, I send funds to political campaigns. I should have no say in the reasons why I voted and contributed to their campaigns?
Otherwise, I agree... No paychecks and they should be locked in both on the floor of the house and senate until they come to their senses.
Ellie they work for you and me and everyone else of course they should but big companies with billions who have an agenda should not!
Ellie i should correct myself i fear! Do you contribute millions of dollars to elections campaigns and buy votes for people so they will support your product and causes? If so then no you should not have access to them dureing a session! Our politicians work for the people they are the ones they should answer to not big money tax cut recieving companies!
No, sorry I misunderstood.. But I do have to say that my money is no less important than the unions, GE's or George Soro's no matter the amount... And no matter how much I contribute, I expect to get a return on my investment the same way the unions, GE and Soro's do. Example, if I sent $50 to Obama's campaign because he promised to shut down Gitmo I would feel like I was cheated and lied to...
PS, that could be said of practically all politicians, these days!!
i dont disagree that anyone persons money is less important than anothers hun that is essentially my point! THe people of america are getting the crap end of the deal because to many Parties and Big name companies have agendas and that is what drives polical issues and problems! I wonder! If people who get nominated for an office did not have to come up with billions in order to win if they could do it with no money what so ever how many of these politicians would still support all the agendas! It would be great to see a clean race with no money finding any of them! Then they would not have to be affraid to truely do their job from the heart and represent those who voted for them! O well we all know that will never happen but one can dream lol
A query: What will you do when your money is worthless...?
i will farm in my back yard and enjoy the sunshine and rain i suppose lol truth be told i hated my life when i had alot of money! Now that i have less i apprechiate more in life and truely enjoy the important things more! When i had money my life revolved around making it now my life revolves around seeing my children happy and healthy and being thankful for what i have not what i can obtain!
Shalom. See you on the other side. :)
I have a theory. United States runs up huge debt to fund wars. (Don't believe most countries do not go along with the wars. China likes cheap oil as much as we do.) OK, once the wars are over, we have to eliminate the debt (remember the Vietnam War and the oil embargoes that cause massive inflation during the 70's?) All we need now is a run up in inflation to reduce or eliminate the value of our debt and all is well. How do you create inflation???? You increase the money supply. OK, how do you increase the money supply???? You run deficits and have to print money to cover them. What could screw it up???????????? A bunch of Republicans whining about the deficits the government is running and having to pay for them. If the US does not stop the idiots running around, who else will do it. No one else wants to get their hands dirty. The cost is a round of inflation in the US to make their debt worthless. The current deficient should take care of the problem. We just have to get ride of the Tea Party, who seems to think the deficient means something.
Its all political posturing, of course everyone will get paid, to do otherwise would be to invite violent revolution. Lets solve this the easy way-$1000 a day fine on every member who refuses to negotiate or tells a lie as to their true agenda. Its called a polygraph, that simple. Citizens in America have become the sheep. Start removing a few and the rest will get real productive, same as big business does in a factory threatening to go over seas.
I'm in the military and just checked my paystub for the 15th. I have no idea how am I gonna support my family with a $200 paycheck. Thats not even enough for me to buy food for my kids. Thats not counting I still got to pay the bills. I wish they hurry up and fix this problem. One of the reasons I joined the military not only to serve my country is because i thought it was the only job i will know i will still get paid. Now im not even sure about that.
Actually Tony, it is one of the few jobs the Republicans could not transfer overseas or you would not have it either. I do thank you for your service, but there are many individuals that serve their country that are not in the military that are going to lose income as well as you. Their children will be just as hungry are yours.
Ya Tony, those pencil pushers are putting their lives on the line each and every day.. I yiyi....
Ellie, we are not talking about lives, that is what soldiers do that you would not understand. We are talking about our children. They all deserve the best America has to offer. Once again you are using the flag to further your position instead of proving your point on its merit.
Jim, in Houston, obviously you don't understand women or their "reproductive rights", this would include birth control and by the way if you can adjust you tin foil hat for a moment I got another news flash for ya, PP, doesn't do abortions on Govt. funding, you see that's illegal, the funds used for those services are private.
How bout this JIm Bob, we put a bill into law stating that the VA, Medicare and Medicaid cannot cover Viagra, or any other get it up drugs, nor can they cover a vasectomy, or a PSI test or Prostate surgery. I mean that's only fair now don't you agree!
s, what's it going to be, Obamacare or Planned Parenthood? Once ObamaCare kicks in, your OB/GYN or Family Physician will be providing those same services while being paid from everyones mandated health insurance. It then becomes a matter of double taxation.. We're either going to fund PP or Medicaid and health insurance subsidy's. ObamaCare comes with consequences and unfortunately PP will not be the only casualty when all is said and done...
Ellie, blah, blah, blah... blah. What is your point?
1. Pay the soldiers. - Do you want upset underpaid people with guns who haven't been paid running around?
2. Cut congress' benefits. What have they done for us? Run up massive debts we'll never get paid off. Lets start saving money by cutting their benefits! Retirement for life!! Healthcare for life!!! Come on!!
3. No matter which side you're on in the abortion issue, it has nothing to do with getting a budget approved. Drop it and work out the differences.
I have always considered Gohmert an idiot. He just got "some" respect from me. As long as this bill is not laced with a bunch of social issues also.
No pay to the military means its time for a military coup d'etat!!!! Either that or all military personnel take some time off...no matter where they are and see what happens than (unless protecting themselves of course). Can't fire them all and its too damned expensive to train 150K+ new troops. I think really if the military was pissed off enuff they would have the upper hand. Also...the military needs someone they can trust and follow...a Winston Churchill of sorts.
Wow, another happy Republican. Actually people like you is why we have the 2ND Amendment.
Wow, criticize, criticize, criticize... What's your point ir?
Ellie, when you enter the service, you swear to defend the country no matter what. You do not swear to defend the country as long as you receive a paycheck. You do not threaten to revolt if you are not paid. Your problem and many of the individuals posting bs on this board is you have no faith in the United State of America. That is a shame, what do you think everyone fought for?
If you want to see sincerity take a look at the bill introduced or at least spoken of on the floor of the Senate by Kay Bailey Hutchinson, a politician I would not normally give you a dime for, and the immediate response from both sides of the aisle. She got 60 cosponsors within minutes for her clear bill to pay out troops regardless of shut down of the Federal Government. These came totally non partisan and so swiftly it was shocking to me knowing how Washington works. Yes shortly there after another Republican Senator said it is impossible to do this so quickly. Of course it is Senator Cornyn first you need to check with your Masters the Koch Brothers as to how you should respond then get your bribe and only then do something. I sincerely hope our troops and their families are fully paid and supported including the Planned Parenthood rider gets abolished which would seriously add to the woes of the wives of our men in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere. I also hope that the usually Republican viewpoint of servicemen changes as they see how their families are merely pawns in agame of politics.
While I do not like the idea of our troops not getting paid, I think we forget that many other government workers will not be receiving a pay check either. But when the government opens again the troops will receive their pay retroactively, that is not the case for the other government workers. Those people will simply be left out in the cold. And all this because some zealots want to load the budget bill up with a bunch of social issues.
There's a saying "When you get where you're going - don't forget where you came from". Well it looks to me like our illustrious leaders have forgotten just that!!! Who voted you into office? Did you forget that? Who do you work for? Did you forget that? How dare you even think about not paying the troops while you play your petty games. How dare you treat these brave men and women (one of whom is my son) like they don't count. They are fighting for your freedom - do they get to "take off" while not getting paid. I don't think so. HOW DARE YOU! Get your act together and do the job we are all paying you to do. HOW DARE YOU! Oh, but don't forget to pick up your paychecks ON TIME without missing a beat! How does it feel to get paid for doing nothing! I don't know how you all sleep at night! You should be ashamed.
I'm a service member and I was asked not to write anything on any forum, but I don't tend to listen when were being wronged, we bust our asses to protect our nation, and for what, to be crapped on? Were out there fighting the war's caused by politics, WTF. We don't make that much as it is, so why mess with our money, it's like we aren't already disgruntled with all the crap we have to put up with. To shed a little bit of light on the situation yes well get back paid but for those who live paycheck to paycheck individual services aid's will help, yes they will but will only pay a grand total of $600 for the total duration. btw this is will potentially ruin several careers. Congress I hope you think of use while you have a roof over your head and food on your table while we the troop who don't care for war work for free and with out food especially places with out a chow hall... way to take care you your troops *few choice words*