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With the government due to shutdown at midnight, former House Speaker and potential Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich accused President Obama of using American troops as political bargaining chips.
"President Obama is deliberately seeking to hold the men and women in uniform and their families hostage, so that politicians can fight over the budget and use the threat of not paying the troops as their weapon -- because liberals know once you take care of the military, most of America is going to say fight it out for a while," Gingrich told the audience at Liberty University's Awakening Conference.
Gingrich was referring to Obama's veto threat of GOP legislation that would fund troops in a government shutdown. However, the legislation also included a funding ban of abortions in Washington, D.C. -- an unacceptable poison pill for Democrats.
After his speech today, Gingrich -- who was speaker during the last government shutdown in 1995-1996 -- told members of press that if he were president, he would have been involved months ago in trying to find compromise on the budget to keep the government open. While Gingrich said you have to compromise, he said compromising on the fundamentals is out of the question. "Let's talk about what our principles are, and then let’s have the courage to follow the principles through to policy," he urged.
"If they can't find some way to work their way through this, they have much bigger problems coming down the road," he added. The 112th Congress still has the 2012 budget and the debt ceiling on the docket.
In 2012 news, when asked about potential presidential competitor Donald Trump, Gingrich called him a very inventive and interesting person. "He adds a lot to the race," Gingrich said. "Frankly, for a Republican Party that sometimes is a little bit dull having somebody like Trump hang out is going to guarantee that you all have a lot more to cover."
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If the troops are not essential, what possibly could be?
Navy, you got anything on this?
let a fascist like Newt have the floor ... he will make up the facts as he goes along ... nothing wrong with having a brain the size of a tea bag
Let’s have some fun. Let’s talk about Energy!Those new nuke plants Obama called for in the SOTU speech of his coming on-line yet? Sure would help get those pump prices down, not having to burn oil in our power plants anymore, more for the cars!
And how about raising that Debt Ceiling? That’s going to come up right in the middle of Rep. Ryans’s 2012 budget debate! What a coincidence!
And of course there’s still Libya. It’s good to see all the Liberals are still war-mongers, they are so much in favor of this fight going on in Libya. It is such a tragedy though that these troops won't be paid if the government shuts-down, being termed "non-essential" by the President and all. Sad really.
Quite a full plate for Obama. Anything else going on in Washington DC today?
Newt is nothing more than a piece of Sh!t.
Spanky, I would say that the health of women is important as well. I guess you would like to put the importance of each citizen on a scale. Wealthy republicans always place themselves at the top.
Sapnkie- why, YOU are, pal! (but you knew that.....)
Newt, now, is a whole other subject. What's that tired old fart have to say about it, anyway? He needs to be like Joanna, and change the subject.
JoAnna,
Day before yesterday, Obama took off for a couple of fund raisers to New York and Philadelphia instead of "calling Reid and Boehner back into his office in the morning if they haven't reached agreement." Obviously Obama's fund raising was more essential to the country than the budget stuff.
That being said, will Obama's fund raising also be more essential to America than the military if there is a shutdown? Will we have to pay for Air Force One and decoy and Marine One and decoys and armored caravans, etc. everytime Obama needs to go pick-up $35,800.00 per person dinners for his rich buds to fund his re-election?
But, guys in a firefight in Afghanistan don't get paid? Does that sound absurd?
As Feisty would say ....... lol.......
..... of course...... Obama's campaigning is more essential. (Probably even more essential than free abortions, huh?)
JoAnnaSmith1
Let’s have some fun. Let’s talk about Energy!Those new nuke plants Obama called for in the SOTU speech of his coming on-line yet?
Yes Joanna your ignorance is showing, it does not take 2 years to bring a nuke plant on line, god your as dumb as scott walker.
Newt speaks! The Devil himself!
Newt! You resemble your picture in Time magazine from 1995 After you made "Man of the Year" and were depicted as the devil. Now it is Boehner's turn. And Time magazine won't have to change the pigmentation. Boehner is already orange.
The ONLY person holding troops hostage is the Orange Boner himself... it was HIS idea to use the troops as leverage to pass another week long patch. Newt is a two-faced, whore of a man who had the audacity to impeach Clinton, while at the same time he was diddling with his "aide" and cheating on his cancer ridden wife. Then he spreads his dirty money around to the good "Christians" , did the Jimmy Swaggert "I have sinned" speech and all is forgotten... You gotta love it....
I'm new to reading Joanna (some of you sound familiar with her), but I don't think I have come across a bigger idiot in these posts... as Joanna....
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I'm new to reading Joanna (some of you sound familiar with her), but I don't think I have come across a bigger idiot in these posts... as Joanna....
Hey all you have to do is go back i through the archives, pop some popcorn its better than a saturday night live.
i see it likethis... no matter the issue, our troops come first. the budget...very important issue, and if Nobama the Clown was so concerned over a shut down, i think putting issues of the nation first, before running his campain is what a president should do..... see, you libs are missing key points about all this, being narrow minded, and only ably to back up something by calling someone a name, (so f'ing mature right?). the issue is, a shut down,abortion, and out armed forces. not if newt was poking some broad... not id bill was getting his flag pole polished... but real American issues. See, i could give a rats azz less if some slut wants her self cleaned out. I shouldnt have to pay for it, not should anyone else, it only leads to more irresponsibility. less accountablity, and who learns? not the slut, as we all know because its her choice to have you pay for her mistakes, rather than be responsible right? so therefore because it is so so moral, our troops who fight for the right to live need suffer? the dems sat on there azzes for 2 years and did nothing but spend spend spend... cant keep spending what we dont have can we? or is that the new motto for todays liberal? Spend till your fingers bleed?
here's what i think... Nobama the Clown needs to stop running his big f'ing yap, and start running the nation he was elected to do.
Megalodon358694, you are about as ignorant and low-life as as incest person, so don't call the Presdent a clown. You know very little about anything important life so drink tor booze and shut-up!
The republicans are playing politics plain and simple.
So they have a bill to ensure the military would get paid no matter what. That's good. They have the time to schedule press conferences and talk to the press to say the democrats are forcing a shutdown, the dems don't care about the soldiers, blah blah etc. Yet they haven't found the time to actually schedule a vote.
If the soldiers were so important to the republicans why wouldn't they schedule a vote? For that matter if they cared about the American people why would they continue to try to attach riders regarding social agenda (that they know will never pass the senate)rather than try to atleast pass what is agreed upon by both sides. You know for the good of most Americans.
Just like they did with the tax cuts! Instead of passing what would be good for 98% of the people and that both sides agreed to, and then taking up for the other 2% at another time; They said if we don't get everything we ask for we won't vote for this and we won't vote on anything else until we do. They hold America hostage!!
Everyone agrees there needs to be cuts in spending; the argument is where to cut.
The republicans want to cut programs that help most Americans in one way or another. They want to cut education, headstart, and programs that help the poor, sick and elderly. What do they think will happen to all these people? How do they think an uneducated populous will be able to keep "American Exceptionalism" from being a thing of the past, when we will be unable to compete in a global market? Hell, we are unable to compete now.
The democrats want to cut subsidies to oil companies that made record profits, seems reasonable to me. They want to cut the defense budget, stop giving no bid contracts, stop contracting the manufacture of planes and other equipment that the Pentagon doesn't even want. They want to cut subsidies to health insurance companies (that also made record profits) and stop paying these companies more than they pay medicare doctors to administer medicare advantage programs (those are the "cuts to medicare" in the health care reform bill passed by the democrats). That makes sense to me. Getting these insurance companies to administer medicare plans was supposed to be a cost savings measure (otherwise why do it?) but if you give them subsidies to do it, and then pay them more than you were paying before, What did it accomplish? Obviously, not what it set out to do so why not cut that?
I'm not saying the democrats don't have their share of bs, but I see them atleast trying to help all Americans and not a select few (that don't need any help to begin with), and by doing that strengthening America as a whole. Look at history, when the poor and middle class prosper the entire country prospers! It doesn't work the other way, as we can see from even the most recent history.
Rob60
shows your mentality...jag, refer someone who slaps you in the face with a little truth as a baby raper...some people need their teeth slapped out of their mouth for saying such things and i have done so for less... however, being behind a keyboard and all, guess its east to smart off, lol. can take that any way you want, however.....reported.
not only that, i want to SEE YOU make me shut up big guy, lol.
as far as military pay if they are out there on the battle ground they want need any money . where are they going to spend it anyway . there ain't no place on the battle field to spend anything . I think that some are using our troups as a ploy to get the American public involved that is all they are doing . Our troops in a affganistan who are fighting don't need money they need to be at home with their families. we need to be trying to get them home not worrying how to pay they over their .
Summary of events is this: GOP = TALIBAN !
qed.
Yeah, I don't think you actually know what the Taliban is New Wavez.
I know the GOP are a bunch of mean bastards, but they don't [usually] rape or murder women for going out in public without being covered.
They don't [usually] murder Little girls for daring to read.
But ok, for fun New Wavez please provide some facts to support your conclusion.
Oh by the way did you hear the Brazilian shoot was a Muslim. Interesting, right?
Spanky & Disabeld, your right, they just want women, the elderly and disabled to die slow horrible deaths because they can no longer get health care.
But hey, gotta cut somewhere, so gotta start with Medicare, Medicaid, Planned Parenthood, clean air, clean water.
Eventually, the Teapublicans plan to kill off all the poor, elderly and disabled. They all vote for Democrats anyway.
give them more power spanky and youll see what a real tea bagger will do to womens rights ...
No, Spanky, they just want to control what a woman wants to do with her body, by coming up with laws that come between her, her doctor and her medical treatment, by forcing her to seek religious advice FIRST before she gets an abortion, by forcing her to carry the baby of the rapist; be it a stranger or family member, and by coming up with the most asinine law of condemning her to death if she has a miscarriage.
But other than that, the GOP is the model "posterchild" of protecting Womens Rights.
Check out http://thinkprogress.org - those stories are over there.
Kevin, time, drip101 - would you agree that equating them to the Taliban is just silly, or you good with it?
Plus if the woman can pay for the services then there is no issue, right?
See you go to your own doctor you get to do whatever you want. You on the government tit? Sorry fellas, but it's a different ballgame.
But you all know that. right?
See fellas - it all goes back to $.43 of every dollar is borrowed money. Fix that then we'll talk.
Also I don't suppose any of you fine gents are paying extra taxes this year? You know the government really, really needs you money. Can't you help them out?
Hysterical Harry is now saying "Republicans want to shut down the government because they think there's nothing more important than keeping women from getting cancer screenings."
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/08/usa-budget-health-idUSWEN079220110408
And Republicans want people to have plaque on their teeth too, right Harry?
I think Harry is working himself up to calling the Republicans the Taliban. He might let Durbin do that for him though, Harry doesn't want to appear to be too nutty.
That's just the thing, Spanky:
NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING IS BEING USED FOR ABORTIONS!!!!!
And as for your last statement:
The SAME ARGUEMENT could be made when I hear the following:
1. Obamacare is going to make slaves out of white people.
2. Obama=Nazi, Commie, Socialist, etc.
3. HCR is going to kill the elderly.
4. Speeches and sign calling for Second Amendment Remedies.
5.The Ad Nauseum of the Birthers.
6. Revisions of the U.S Constitution and U.S History.
I could go on... But why quibble over such trifling matters?
It really comes down to "what should the government be paying for?"
Should the 53% of taxpayers be paying to make sure that others have birth control, abortions, health screenings? Considering that 47% of the people don't pay income taxes.
Is it the governments problem or the families problem that people won't take their education seriously?
But those educated liberals love to equate things, but equating the GOP to the Taliban--well that just shows you that they don't have a point of view anymore--just insults. When you run out of good arguments, you have to resort to name calling.
Outside of the Obama is a socialist, a lot of those are just made up by the left, to scare people. And they call the Tea Party delusional.
That's just it, Spanky, we're cutting services to the poor, while cutting taxes to the rich. Then we go around yelling "we're broke!!! We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem."
When you insist that no bills will pass, unless extensions of tax cuts are passed first, you have a revenue problem.
Taliban is disengenuous. However, saying you want smaller government and insisting on the government being involved in a woman's reproductive decisions is hypocritical, at best.
The Dems should have passed this budget when they had the supermajority, and the next one. Then it would have been interesting to see the Republicans trying to defund the entire government (except , of coarse, the military and big oil) while they were also trying to be re-elected.
dirp - it was you boy Obama who cut the taxes, or have you already forgotten?
$14 trillion my man, $14 trillion.
Plus them dems didn't pass the budget. And just how is that decision playing out for them right now?
The America You Love Will Die
Progressives/Democrats/The Government Will Control Your Life
Progressives/Democrats/The Government Will Control All Your Health Decisions
You And/Or Your Grandmother Will Die
The American Health Care System Will Be Destroyed
The Economy Will Be Destroyed
I take that the comments that were stated by members of Right Wing Media are a figment of my "DELUSIONAL" state, eh Big Bear?
spanky, get your facts str8 please. Obama simply extended the tax cuts Bushie and the Reps gave the wealthy years ago with the pressure from everyone, that dropping the tax cuts could put us back in a recession. Facts beat rants any day.
Republican Allen West "Republicans, " I am disgusted at the perception that Leaders in my own Party...are now using the men and women in uniform" even as he voted for the measure himself. For Exploiting Troops in Shutdown Fight"
Rep. Allen West (R-FL), a veteran who left the military after admitting to abusing an Iraqi policeman, is now slamming the GOP for exploiting the troops in the government shutdown fight.
The House passed a bill on Thursday funding the military for the next six months and keeping the government open another week, but Democratic leaders rejected the measure over its inclusion of $12 billion of additional cuts.
Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has accused Democrats of hurting troops, but
West said in a statement to CBS on Thursday that he was "disgusted at the perception that Leaders in my own Party...are now using the men and women in uniform" even as he voted for the measure himself.
"The House Majority has now placed the funding for the Department of Defense and the funding for the troops down as a bargaining chip," West said.
"In the last 100 days, the House Majority could have passed at any point in time a separate stand alone Appropriations for the Department of Defense and the funding for our men and women in uniform."
You have to wonder if that will cost Allen West his Tea Party Membership.
Memory may excape me, but who was it that coined the 'Support the Troops' slogan to justify everything!
Spending their 'political capitol' blah, blah....
Who?.
Go away Newt!
OK Chilled,
Who was for the war before they were against the war? Who continually plays the game for the rights of the downtroden but hold out legislation by using them as bargining chips?
What party actually, as proven through the CBO among other agencies, has dramatically increase the deficit with their reckless spending?
And has Obama actually proven that he is a leader, able to drive this country forward rather than apologize continually about us?
Wait until your gallon of gas is over $6 gal, with your grocery bill higher due to inflation, and the economy in worse shape as 2012 nears. Will you continue to blame the Republicans, or the leader of this administration.
Talking points are one thing, voting your pocketbook is the true gauge of leadership. Obama fall in 2012.
The House passed a bill on Thursday funding the military for the next six months and keeping the government open another week, but Democratic leaders rejected the measure over its inclusion of $12 billion of additional cuts. Republicans tried to slip $12 Billion Dollars in a bill for the Troops!
Talk about Expoliting our Troops, Republicans should be ashamed.
Media where are you?
Uh, June?
A "bill for the troops?"
You mean the CR that was passed that Obama has vowed to veto? Uh, well at least we can now see why you are so mis-led. It appears you mis-understand exactly what a CR is, and what it is designed to do.
Hey June - what would be happening had Pelosi actually passed a budget last year?
Yeah right Spankster...Why don't you ask your buddies on the right to produce their draft cards? You know the likes of Newt, Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, Bolton, and of course that pillar of integrity Donald Trump...Speaking of which, what about your draft card Spank? Obama holding the troops hostage indeed!
So it's 1969 is it? I thought draft card talk went out with Clinton. Any port in a storm, eh Tropedo?
Cool that was a great year. Age of Aquarius and all.
So why won't Obama deem them essential Torpedo? Perhaps there is a political angle for him? You think?
Torpedo,
If you didn't know it, and by the sounds of it you don't. We don't have a draft anymore. We have a complete volunteer army--well except for those in there to escape criminal justice system.
What we do have is registration for the selective service, evey young man has to register when they turn 18. Which is totally unfair--because every woman should have to register also! But who really wants equal rights? And even as old as I am, I am registered with the selective service. But they have to go through a whole lot of 20, 30, & 40 year olds to get me:)
Actually, House Republicans “Voted Against Troop Funding Bill
by Jed Lewison
U.S. Marines serving in Afghanistan
(USMC/Lance Cpl. Bruno J. Bego)
House Republicans want the media and the public to believe that they voted to ensure that American troops continue getting paid in the event of a government shutdown, but that President Obama and congressional Democrats refused to support funding our soldiers.
But while it's true that they passed a so-called 'troop funding bill,' they also voted against one offered by Democrats.
The difference?
Their troop funding bill contained unrelated spending cuts and policy provisions, including
Moreover, President Obama, who said he would veto the GOP bill because it contains unrelated items, also said he would support a clean CR that funded troops if we are moving towards an overall budget deal.
Bottom-line:
it's completely dishonest for anyone to claim that Republicans are trying to fund troops while Democrats are against it.
Democrats not only support reaching a compromise on the overall budget, they have voted in favor of guaranteeing troop paychecks “without the additional ransom demands added by Republicans.”
Ultimately, the real issue is and continues to be the fact that Republicans have been unwilling to agree to compromise.
Perhaps that will happen before midnight tomorrow, but if it doesn't,
Republicans will be the ones responsible for shutting down the government and “Disrupting Military Pay.”
Ok great June - now show us this purported bill the dems offered yesterday.
You are the best!
Just like everything else the Democrats are doing, it's up on http://thinkprogress.org
Going there is a one stop fact finding trip.
And I just thugh June was a silly bird. I had no idea how totally mis-infformed she really is.
Oh My!
If only the dems would come up with a plan.
Spanky, you jump on June asking about the bill the dems put forth.
But whether the dems put up a bill or not, you seem to miss the part about the republicans, who are screaming about the troops not getting paid, not putting up a bill that is only about military pay. Why haven't they? The President and the dems already said they would vote for it. So where is the argument?
Why would they attach unrelated riders to this in the first place if it is all about military pay?
Hey Andie, have you wished to have tax reform? Read the Ryan bill to see it in action.
So, how's that ObamaWar going for you?
Safecracker,
Yes, I do wish for tax reform. I think they should have let all the Bush tax cuts expire. Only in Bizarro world do you cut taxes in war time. I also think maybe we should look at past tax rates. Did you know that in 1950 if you made $400,000 or more your tax rate was 84.3%, $36-40k paid 48.23%, and in 1960 it was 91%, even in 1980 if you made more than $215,000 you had a 70% tax rate, if you made $24,600-29,900 you paid 32%. Everyone paid more. In 2001 if you made $200,000 or more your tax rate was 27%. And people making $40-50,000 pay 17%. Even adjusted for inflation we pay less taxes now then ever. No wonder the fed has a deficit, their revenue has shriveled to around one third of what it was only 40 years ago. Now I am nowhere near the top, but going back to the tax rates of the Clinton administration still would be low compared to where the tea party and republican parties would like to take this country back to.
For some reason I can not paste links today, just google tax rates 1950-2001.
As for the war, I was not for it. I however am not one of those people that think the President did something illegal, blah, congression approval, blah blah blah. I may not have agreed with the decision but I can read the War Powers Resolution Act (all of it) to see that he doesn't need a vote from them for 60 days. All he has to do is inform them, which we know he did. In addition there is Senate Resolution 85, which was passed unanimously, calling for a no fly zone to be established in Libya, and also the UN resolution. We are (like it or not) a member of the UN and have agreed to certain things (treaties) which our Constitution says we will abide by all treaties.
More hypocrisy from the rabid right who didn't even vote for the VA benefits. Hey, Newt you doesn't qualify. He still has the albatross around his neck for the shut down he provoked, Cue the crickets to vibrate now.
Trump is busy out there because he is busy hanging out in Hawaii investigating the President's birth certificate since became a Birther.
The controversy can easily be stopped. His mother is an American; therefore it makes the President one. If Donald trump is so eager to see the President’s birth certificate, how eager would the Donald be to reveal his financial records
I agree with Dr Bill Cosby
VIDEO: Dr. Bill Cosby Says Trump Is “Full Of It”
http://www.examiner.com/people-the-news-in-national/bill-cosby-on-the-today-show-critical-of-donald-trump-video
You agree with Cosby, eh?
That is very surprising.
Bev,
Cosby said (re: Trump running for President) the only thing Trump is running, 'is his mouth'!
Funny, very funny and true!
Spanky-
You agree with Cosby, eh?
The Donald is Full of it.
Do you agree?
Full of it? Maybe.
Able to pass a budget and run a business, definitely.
You know Be - its a frigging "civil war" and all. :)
How many of his businesses has he run directly into the bankruptcy court ?
And is part of his business plan to get married and divorced, repeatedly?
I guess promises, even sworn promises before witnesess mean nothing. That's the kind of guy we need taking the Oath of Office for President of the United States.
dirp101 I don't suppose you've ever run a business?
Ever had to make a payroll?
But your bankruptcy comment is interesting. Do you think the Fed. gov. is solvent?
You poor, poor libs, just keep running up that hill. $14 trillion ain't going to go away. No hope there my man.
Beverly, Your ranting childish nonsense without any basis or facts just lets all of us know how little you know about much of anything. All you and most liberals know how to do is call those you don't agree with childish names. Why don't you bread the Liberal mold and try to present IDEAS based upon researched facts to actually add something to the discussion. For example, if you google those presidents in charge during American wars, you will discover that WWII, Korea, and Vietnam were all fought at great losses because Democratic Presidents got us involved in them. The losses and cost of those wars are staggering and show that Democrats, not Republicans are the real war-mongers. Additionally, research shows that Democrats have been in charge of Congress five times as much as Republicans since WWII. So, who really is responsible for the financial mess we are in? Our loss of jobs started in the seventies when unions priced our industries out of the automotive and other like markets. John Kennedy a conservative Democrat knew this and fought them. Couple this with the bills passed by Democrats like Jimmy Carter's fair housing act that allowed people to obtain loans without down payments or any real means of paying the notes led to even more loose lending that destroyed the housing market. Social programs like section 8 housing which allows those without a permanent full time job to not only obtain housing and utilities paid totally or mostly by taxpayers have created over 20 years of more and more people not working and depending upon the government for their living. We all would like to sit on the porch and not have to work, but many of us know that leads to a diaster like the one we now find ourselves in. Most of the people on these social programs could work but have chosen not to because given the fact that they did not study in school or obtain usefull training could not get a job that would pay as much as the government programs give them. This created a cycle of dependence on the government. It is my belief as an independent, that Democrast know this and use it as a tool to get reelected. It is a shameful guise for caring about these people. If Democrats really cared they would create jobs for these people which would allow them to pay their own way. I agree with the Democrats that the very rich could pay more taxes, but when I see on television that General Electric did not pay any taxes, I question the validity of the Democrats position. Mr. Obama is close friends with the head of General Electric who spent a lot of funds getting Obama into office. The Democrats are great at wanting to tax organizations who they think support Republicans, but I never hear them complain about General Electric, Movie Stars, Singers or others who support them. A year ago one Liberal stated he wished the blue states (Democrats) would form their own country and let the Red States (Republicans) for their country. I totally agree and believe that if the Democrats cannot stop their irresponsible spending, we may see his wish come true. I for one know that the blue states are far more in debt than the red states for a reason. They have been the most irresponsible at managing their financial affairs. Even Mass. finally realized this and elected a Republican for the seat that Ted Kennedy held. New Jersey elected a Republican governor for the first time since the civil war. This is a sign that the American people know who really got us into this financial mess and they want it stopped. They know it is the same people who now do not want to cut spending and fight the Republicans for every cent cut from the budget. It is my belief, they they will elect a majority in the Senate the next time around and maybe a Republican president as well if the Democrats continue to miss the message of foolishly spending us farther into debt. Even if you tax the most wealthy Americans at 100% of their income, it would not balance the budget. So enough of the liberal lies. Let's get our financial house in order.
Beverly in Chicago
Bev, you show you haven't a clue about the VA. Due to my service I have VA coverage and because of my income, I pay more than others. I have no issue with it, but I would rather NOT be covered by VA. Actually, I hardly use the VA due to the need for others to have services provide for them.
The hypocrisy should be channeled to those Democrats, Obama/Pelosi/Reid who failed to do their due-diligence and legislate a budget last year. Wouldn't you agree? No, you won't for you will do anything to spin a favorable result for the Dude-in-Chief (jon stewart, not me).
Bev, face it. Everyone laughs at you for your ignorance. You cut and paste well, but you just can't propose a valid argument. You have no practical exposure to running a busines, as does your leader, but you have issues with Koch when George Soros is more volitable than the Koch.
So Bev, are you a paid commentator like Feisty, or are you just ignorant?
BobWhite--
Let us see who is ranting childish nonsense without any basis in fact. Your facts are just not true!! Your lies add nothing to the discussion.
First, John Kennedy was dead in seventies.
Second,
I think you have it backwards because if you really did research you would see that red states pay less to the federal government than they receive back from the fed and the opposite is true of blue states.
Third,
Your research isn't that good at all, New Jersey had republican governors from 1857-1863,1866-1869,1896-1911,1917-1920 , 1929-1932, 1935-1938,1944-1954,1970-1974,1982-1990,1994-2002
Fourth,
Let me first get this straight, Do you think entering WWII was a bad idea? And we didn't even enter the war until we were attacked!!
You mention the losses and cost of WWII, Korea and Vietnam, but fail to mention the more recent military interventions during republican administrations. Such as Reagan in Grenada, Central America, Lebanon and Libya; Bush Sr. in Iraq, and Bush Jr, in Afghanistan and Iraq.
One difference between all those presidents and Bush Jr. is that they all raised taxes to pay for the wars. Bush Jr. is the only leader in the history of this planet that has ever cut taxes during war time. I would think that was a major contributor to the situation we are in now. As well as keeping the wars out of the budget, passing unfunded programs like medicare prescription coverage (and not allowing medicare to bargain with big pharm about prices ensuring that the American people(medicare) pays the highest price for medication)
Fifth,
Yes, in 1977 Carter passed the Community Reinvestment Act but I really don't think they were the ones defaulting on these sub prime loans, nor were they the ones selling these sub prime loans in bundles as Low Risk debt. In fact, I don't think the bulk of the loans made from 1977 through as late as even the early 2000's are the cause of this. Let us now look at Bush Jr.'s changes to the CRA in 2005. Hmm 2005, lets see if someone got a mortgage in 2005 -2006, sub prime, adjustable rate, teaser rate first 3 years, what would be happening in 2008-2009, the low rate expires and people can't pay the new rate and default. Which might have happened before but the changes made in 2005 allowed the banks to take bigger risks, having more of their business in lending and investment. Because these global banks exposed themselves to more risk, sold these mortgages as good investments to the world, they opened the global economy to their risk and this is the result.
You talk about facts but have none to back up your claims. And if one does google as you suggest, they find that your "facts" are just lies.
Andie, I didn't say Kennedy was alive in the seventies. You should learn to read. I said he was against the way the Mafia run unions were out of control and making autos that leaked oil on the showroom floor. That is why Japan took a large part of the American controlled market from us. They built better cars and they still do. Secondly, it would be good if you could get it right about WWII. We were involved in the war long before we were attacked. Why do you think we were attacked? We were shippping supplies, weapons and munitions to their adversaries. President Roosevelt against the wishes of Congress, the American people and his own wife got us into the most expensive war of our time. I am not condoning what the Germans and Japanese did, but it was not our war. How can you compare WWII, Korea, and Vietnam with the wars the Republicans got us into? 405,000 killed in WWII and over 2 million wounded, over 34,000 killed in Korea and over 47,000 killed in Vietnam. We still spend billions of defense dollars on WWII and Korea because we still have thousands of soldiers, family members and governments workers and contractors there because the Democrats are great at getting us into wars but not out of them. The only president in my life time to get us totally out of the expense of a war was Nixon. Close to 500,000 Americans killed in wars Democrats got us into and you try and compare that with less than 10,000 killed during wars Republicans got us into. Thirdly, if you convertetd the dollars spent on WWII, Korea, and Vietnam to todays dollars it would be somewhere around 20 trillion. We built a 1500 mile highway through Canada and Alaska to supply the Russians, we bombed day and night loosing hundreds of bombers in Europe, we had over 5,000 ships to attack on D-Day and you get a limited view of the staggering cost of that war alone and you Democrats complain about Bush spending 500 million and losing a little over 4,000 in the Iraq and Afgan wars. You are wrong about the Korea and Vietnam wars being paid for. We are still paying on the Vietnam debt and still have billions spent every year on troops in Europe and Korea left over from those wars. Why haven't you Democrats got us out of those countries before demanding Bush get us out of Iraq? What is the threat in Europe to the American people that you keep troops there at great expense? I find it interesting that you complain about Bush passing unfunded programs because most of the programs the Democrats pass are unfunded and that is why we are really in trouble. Today, they still are trying to pass the largest unfunded budget in our history and you dare mention Bush. Obama irresponsibility far surpasses Bush. I did not agree with the Iraq war. Most wars are a poor way to settle anything, but the war-mongering Democrats have committed us to far worse wars. I seriously doubt you can make a valid case for our economic down fall being caused by the Bush tax cuts. I didn't see the need for them and would have much rather seen us pay down the debt with any surplus. But the only time in my life that we had a surplus was during the Republican held Congress that people like you give credit to Clinton as though Congress had nothing to do with that success. Loose controls on lending is the major cause of our economic trouble, not tax cuts. Anyone with a real sense of wisdom knows that. So you state that people only started losing their homes in 2005. You need to check your facts! They have been losing them long before that and business have been closing in the industrial north long before that. Most Americans that got into trouble did not have subprime loans as you state. I own three houses and none were obtained through subprime loans. Do you think all the vacant houses in Detroit, Cleveland, and numerous other cities were as a result of subprime loans? Are states like California deep in debt because of George Bush Jr or have they been gaining debt at a rapid rate long before Bush was in charge. Loose lending pratices were in place long before Bush was president. Yes many greedy people from both parties speculated on the housing market and stocks driving prices beyond what they should be and it finally crashed during the Bush presidency. So you want us to believe the teaser rates just started in 2005? You are the one spinning lies and don't have the facts. Those rates have been around for a long time and I believe you know it. Is it the Republicans fault our jobs have gone overseas also? What company wants to do business here and pay the highest corporate tax when they can go elsewere and not be taxed nearly as much. High taxes, government regulations, and unions producing poor products at high costs are why we have lost jobs to overseas. Yes, China has cheaper labor for now, but so did Japan at first, but the real issue is the Japanses government worked with their companies, not against them and the Japanese made superior products at less cost. People like you never offer any solutions to our problems. All you offer is more taxes and name calling. Do you really believe we can tax our way out of debt? Most of the jobs Obama brags about creating are government jobs (CZARS) for croonies of his, and borrowing trillions of dollars for the banks (who you just stated were irresponsible in their loan pratices) Bush did not force them to make bad loans or provide loans to the people who defaulted. Obama also provided cheap loans at our expense to auto manufactures who have been making inferrior autos since the 70's and only since there near demise have made any real effort at making better autos. I know because I have bought many of GM and Crysler products that were poorly made and cost me a bundle to continually get repaired until I switched to Toyota products. You can attack what I say all you want, but no one belives that one man George Bush could bring down the worlds greatest economy during his term. The FACT is that our economy has been churning on borrowed money for a long time and finally the debt has come home to roost. What if anything have you or any Liberal offered to solve the economic crisis but borrow more money? Until you have something valid to offer, don't critize me.
What can anyone really expect from those who use gross dishonesty as their standard? It is like a Karl Rove tactic to just say it loud, say it often and never back down. Bush and Cheney did it often and boldly without any conscience. Now Donald Trump runs around not only offering the ridiculous but shouting it again and again. Limbaugh, Beck and Palin have been constant practitioners with their bazaar antics for years. The Republican Party has fully adopted it as their standard operating procedure with Boehner, McConnell, Kyl and several others continually doing it. The Tea Party readily uses it to excite emotions. What is actually totally crazy is that they are so obvious, not ever logical and never even trying to be rational, always simply depending on being stubborn and bold and actually arrogantly just treating people as if they are stupid. The bold self-serving guise is readily apparent yet it has worked.
It isn’t like differences of opinions or debatable facts as they really are just obnoxious and obvious lies. What is really so ridiculous is that there are people who accept and even repeat the absurd to try to convince others. You would think that most would be totally offended with being taken for granted and even angry and alienated by the effort, yet there are those who with their biases and prejudices refuse to be objective and who irresponsibly accept and use the subterfuge to rationalize and justify their predetermined positions. We have paid the price with the manipulation of the Christian block, then again with the Swift-Boat propaganda and already with the Tea Party focused and fully sponsored effort; hopefully the voters won’t again be so gullible and naive, so easily emotionally manipulated and once more accept loosing further just to satisfy their biases and prejudices. The con is totally ridiculous but scary because it has worked.
Thanks June for your GREAT research. It just proves what low life b@stards these Republicans-Tea baggers and their supporters are.
Whoops, I almost forgot, Newt is nothing more than a piece of Sh!t.
Newt Gingrich is a bald face liars - a total disgrace. Shut - up...no one gives a damn about your sounds bites and delusional sense of nothing.
You are a HAS BEEN; go craw in a hole and stay out of the public eye.
Because the only thing you are good for is - news interviews. They seem to be the only people that gives a damn about what you have to say.
Stop making yourself look like an idiot; go away and save at least a bit of decency!!!!
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
The same should be said about you oh Democrat soldier--using profanity is suppose to be against the "code of conduct" on FR, but I guess that only applies to those who disagree with our President.
really, keep lying to yourselves republicans/teabagger goons.
Ah, Pius, that's what you got?
Is there nothing else you could come up with?
How about that $.43 Pius? You good with that? You happy the tea party now dominates the discussion?
So Pius, what, other than making conclusionary statements are you doing about it?
This is not true,
Gingrich was referring to Obama's veto threat of GOP legislation that would fund troops in a government shutdown.
The veto he is referring to is a stop gap that would have funded the troops through october, not while the government is shut down.
told members of press that if he were president, he would have been involved months ago in trying to find compromise on the budget to keep the government open.
This is not true as well, the president compromised during the lameduck with the republicans that gave them the tax cuts and the president got unemployment benifets. the president has compromised way too much with these guys, now its their turn.
This guy is lying more now than he did when he was screwing around on his second and or third wife.
For someone who is supposed to be so smart, Newt sure says some dumb things.
"Let's talk about what our principles are, and then let’s have the courage to follow the principles through to policy,"
So does this mean that preventing women from having access to low cost preventive health care and permitting unrestricted pollution of the air we all breathe are GOP principles? Great. How can anyone vote for that? How much money do you think that will save? Looks to me like it is a set-up for higher costs in the future.
chilled
Bev,
Cosby said (re: Trump running for President) the only thing Trump is running, 'is his mouth'!
Funny, very funny and true!
Like I said above if Donald Trump is so eager to see the President’s birth certificate, how eager would the Donald be to reveal his financial records?
Especially, the money he gave to charity after he “screwed” Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
Chatting with the monkey girl (holds job down by exposing tail; I think) and two dunces (very dumb men; I think) on Fox crew, Trump bragged that he “screwed” Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.
[snip]
"I think I probably have more experience of anybody -- whether I sell them real estate for tremendous amounts of money. I mean, I've dealt with everybody,"
“I rented him a piece of land,” Trump explained, saying Gaddafi paid “more for one night than the land was worth for two years, and then I didn’t let him use the land.” Trump explained that that’s the kind of tough negotiating he’d bring to international affairs, or something. “That’s what we should be doing. I don’t want to use the word ’screwed’, but I screwed him. That’s what we should be doing.”
Finally, Christopher also states that it is impossible to known whether Trump really did donate the money he made off the Gaddafi business dealings. In the past Trump has boasted about making money off the deal, but now he claims that he gave all the money away.
http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/donald-trump-attempts-to-explain-his-business-deals-with-muammar-gaddafi-video?amp;fb_comment=31155456
This voter will not forget that when it came time to defund the US Government that the Democratically controlled Senate passed a bill t ensure that members of Congress would not be paid if the budget wasn't passed. Meantime the Republican controlled House sent that same bill to committee and refused to consider it, thereby guaranteeing that while America's military personnel fighting in harms way all around the world won't be paid.
That means these piece of garbage so called tea party patriots in the House will be collecting their pay for NOT doing their jobs, while America's military will not be paid for doing theirs. Everything else in this debate is baloney by comparison.
"Nutty Newt" is just full of misinformation, and is trying to distract the American People from the real budget issues. The real issues deal with the simple fact that the "Gross Odd People" (GOP), and the "Really Not Competent (RNC), are economically for the rich. They constantly economically support huge tax breaks for the very rich. They support the huge tax loop-holes for the large corporations, and now want to widen this tax loop. The GOP/RNC just love to support the large insurance companies by not supporting regulations to conrol their greed. The "Super Spewers" of the GOP have long detailed economic record of not financially supporting our troops. The GOP medical support for our injured troops is a joke, and the large medical insurance companies are motivated by greed. In fact, old "Nutty Newt" has done more poltical and economic damage since he first started in Government. Just research his voting record America! I wonder how much "Darth Rove." AKA. Karl Rove. The GOP/RNC Master of Misinformation and Madness. Is controlling the spewing politically and economically for the "Party of No??" I think it is massive, and getting more mentally ill by the hour for the GOP/RNC. Progressive Power!!
Progressive, first allow me to address the incorrect title you post. It is not progressive nor forward to pass a budget with a trillion dollar deficit. You seem to miss the REAL issue and that is not the childish name calling you provided for us, but instead the fact the we are facing a economic crisis and the Republican House is responsibily trying to get it back in order. You state that they are for giving the rich tax breaks when in fact so is Mr Obama. You must not have been watching the CBS news who exposed Mr Obamas buddy head of General Electric for having the largest tax break of any major company. According to their report, General Electric isn't paying any taxes at all because of loop holes in the tax law. If he and Democrats like you are so concerned about taxing the rich, why havent you closed the tax loops and make General Electric pay something. At least the oil companies are paying billions in taxes. It's time the Democrats favorite companies do likewise and quite hiding behind tax loops. Secondly, if you will bother to check the GOP has fought against the Democrats for year to obtain funding for our troops. During this budget, the Democrats are complaining that the Republican budget doesn't cut enough from the defense budget. That is the only area the Democrats want to cut. The Democrats were in charge of both houses and the Executive office last year and they couldn't pass a budget. You also falsely claim that the GOP has a long record of not supporting regulations to control the proported greed of the insurance companies. What regulations are you referring to? I don't think you know of any and just make up childish statements without any basis or you would provide them in your comments. Give us some examples of where the GOP has not been funding defense or supporting insurance regulations if you can. Or is childish name calling all your about?
Can anybody tell me why any lawmaker with a penis has any right to comment, much less vote, on a woman's health issue(s)?
Every lawmaker with a penis on Capital Hill best shut their gaping maws when it comes to what does/doesn't happen between her and her doctor...and those male lawmakers that keep commenting/voting, prove that they only want another form of control...simple as that.
Because if they are using federal tax payer dollars to fund any program like that, then they have been elected to decide it.
If they are not using federal tax payer dollars, then go ahead and do what you please, but as a tax payer, I am tired of supporting everyone else's problems. I have enough of my own. Our tax dollars should be spent to protect our borders, build our nation, and develop our economy. Not to provide a "nanny state" so you can have an abortion because you decided to party one night.
Our government provides for "life, libery, and the PURSUIT of happiness", not the guarantee of happiness.
Big Bear I agree with the way our tax dollars should be spent; however, my understanding of the law is that no federal dollars are spent on abortion.
Lachesis, maybe we have a right to comment because aborton isn't just about the woman. It's mainly about the baby who is murdered because the woman doesn't want the responsibility to raise it. I'm sure you would like to take away our right to free speech, but we intend to see that you don't. If we have to listen to your gaping maw, then what right do you have to limit someone else from posting their view just because you may not like it. No one controls like a Liberal. They control most of my paycheck to piss away on programs most of us don't want in the first place like Obama's expensive health care debockle. Most Americans are against it, but he shoved it down our throats anyway. Liberal are far more likely to try and control what we do than conservatives.
Holding out for Planned Parenthood? Wow! I've never seen people who love killing unborn babies so much that they would shut down the government to continue the killing. What is it that draws them to this kind of killing? Do they like the sucking sound of a child being vacuumed from the womb or is it the blood that attracks them? I can see old Harry Reid now rubbing his hands as the vacuum is turned on. Hey Harry, is that drool on your chin?
Can you imagine how many cigs Boehner has gone through today? What a mess! This is the guy who's holding the cards right now? Holy crap!
I am a military wife here in the states. My husband is overseas fighting on a year deployment. I say bring our troops home so they can go back to their civilian jobs and bring home a paycheck and since Congress will still be getting their 6 digit income trow their As*es on the front lines.
Wait, wait, wait...I thought the Hyde Amendment prohibits the expenditure of Federal tax dollars to fund abortion? Which begs the question as to how Planned Parenthood and similar organizations got Federally funded to begin with? Pretty sneaky, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Pretty sneaky.
Federally defund abortion mills or shut the US Government down. It's the law.
I say pull the troops home from Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya and put them on our borders to defeat the ongoing invasion of our nation.
Is it true that death benefits to families who loss a loved one in Iraq or Afghanistan will not get paid? I served 3 tours in Iraq and will be going to Afghanistan soon I think it is shameful not to pay the troops. Newt must not have read the Constitution the congress has the power of the purse not the president. I hope that isn't how the republicans are going to run their 2012 election bid they will lose on that one.
I am a military wife and it makes me sick knowing that our husbands, sisters, brothers, etc are risking their lives for us every day and they are threating their paychecks. It is disgusting that the men in their fancy suites who are arguing over this are still going to get paid while our troops are getting everything taken away. Hell if this really happens, I wont be able to pay my rent or feed our family. All while our men and women risk their lives. Have them traid places with congress how bout?
That's what I say! My husband's pay was cut in 1/2 for the 15th and we are not sure if were going to get a paycheck on the 1st. This makes me sick as well, this is going to put stress on our spouses that are overseas,(like mine) but yet they are supposed to be focused, how am I going to pay the house, car, and put food on the table. I am a full time student using his GI bill and won't be getting that either to go to school to better not only myself but my family. Throw congresses asses on the front line since they are getting paid still and Bit**ing about a raise too!!!
Newt has some nerve.................he's the reason the governent shut down under his leadership? Now he says Obama should not let it shut down.....................is there anything Newt won't say and act like it never happenned under his watch? Sociopaths operate just like that!