With ardvarks and puppet protests on the capital steps, Reid sobbing over cowboy poetry ....... I was half expecting him to say poor Yogi and Boo-boo would have to go hungry because with Jellystone closed - their would be no picnic baskets to steal.

But on a more serious note, any small business that trusts and counts on the Obama administration for anything is doomed anyway...... With that kind of judgement, they will never make it.

I read this article, and laughed. Obama talks a great game, plays a poor game before changing the rules for the protection of his image. Come on Obama, don't mis-speak, be factual in your discussion.

@Bob, perhaps if BooBoo and Yogi go hungry from the park closing, the rocks can improve from the man-made polution caused by car emissions of the tourists.

@Spanky,

Of course Obama is a friend of business - it is nearing election time!

Spanky - Am still waiting for you to answer my question. How many federal benefits do you receive ?

What's the matter Ct - can't you read? I fully responded to you last time. Ok, let's try this again:

the answer, as I indicated yesterday, is 0. How about you? You sucking at the tit?

I'm Just a small business owner. Althoughgh if the monkeys shut it down they will not be getting my final tax payment for last year, or my estimated payment for the first quarter of this year.

How about you CT you making your first quarter estimated payment also? Self employed or wage slave?

Only 30% of the government will be shut down; things like National Parks and the Forest Service. 70% of the government is exempted from furlough as being "essential". My guess is that those folks kicked out of hotels in Parks Saturday morning will be slamming their congressmen with phone calls.

Yes, of course. I know all kinds of small business owners that spend their time surfing the web and making commentts during their business day.

They must be really good at what they do, right?

Ward, don't make me come down hard on the Beaver tonight. :)

So how about it Ward, what type of business do you own? I assume you re speaking from experience?

now the the Republican Promise of Jobs proved to be a Lie

Bull paddy. Unemployment has come down. What has Obama other than to extend the tax cuts? Companies weren't going to hire until the gays got DADT repealed? They were too worried about investing until START got signed? The Tuscon Speech dropped unemployment?

If you would have read the article (or anything in WSJ, IBD.....) it is about uncertainity caused by Obama.

So, said NFIB spokeswoman Cynthia Magnuson, the group does not agree with Obama’s assessment, since a government shutdown “would not impact the vast majority of small-business owners. Moreover, we’re not hearing from our members that they are at all worried about SBA funding. Our members are more concerned that Washington gets its spending under control and reaches a sustainable budget solution that protects small businesses from economic uncertainty.”

That simple June - it's not rocket science (or rocket surgery for Bev, Louis and Feisty).

And besides, do you really think business cares about Planned Parenthood / abortion? Nope. But it does care about an administration borrowing money to pay for abortions. Do you think business cares about NPR? Nope. But it does care about an administration borrowing money to support puppets and cowboy poetry. Insane when our economy is in this shape. Business has to make it on its own - these liberal government welfare babies can make it on their own too.

For Obama to veto / shut down the government over 1 week's funding ...... funding the military is insane.

The guy is a partisan hack without a clue.

That is what is really holding the economic recovery back.

June:

Right on.

And who proposed the tax cuts for Small Businesses and secured them much needed operating capital? Oh, that was President Obama and he also gave them credits to buy Health Insurance for their employees. More lies from the right.

Bob-o: Federal funds do not pay for abortion. It's law, and proven again and again in each Planned Parenthood audit. You lying creep.

I think she was referring to the paper route. Moped loan.

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LJ, your posts are getting old. See if you can have that first post piece emailed to you from the group at MSNBC so you can seem more interesting.

You have been bad today.

Always nice to see a Liberal steal the money from the children. You know, the children of today will be paying for the deficits of today when they become adults. Doesn't bother you though, does it June? Just as long as you get yours, you don't care.

Really JoAnna? If you were paying attention, you'd notice that the main drivers of the current budget deficit are: 1) the war in Iraq/Afghanistan; 2) the Bush tax cuts from 2001/2003; and 3) rising Medicare costs (which are from a bipartisan failure to rein in our health insurance system and from Bush's very expensive and unfunded Medicare Part D).

The rich now pay far less in taxes as a total percentage of income than any of the rest of us, and this is all because Republican hacks told us that if we gave these tax breaks, we'd have a really great economy. Wrong.

There's a reason that 90% of the national debt was rolled up under Republican presidents: cutting taxes for rich people causes deficits, and it steals from our kids to pay the rich. So shut the f up until you learn some facts. You dimwitted twit.

MucusOO

Why don't you take your slimy ignorance and not come back.

Now now guys, no need for us to start acting like congressmen.

June, Fl

Always nice to see Republicans who don't care about their neighbors, just as long as they are doing well all is well with the world. Be Blessed you two.

Be careful, June... You're starting to sound like a Christian, and we know what the Liberals do to people who pray in public... at least if they're Christian. If you're Muslim, Hindi, or a Satan worshiper, you get a free pass... but that Holier-Than-Thou attitude you've got going there has to go!

Yes, I'm making a funny here... but in all seriousness, let's let the government shut down! They can't spend our money!!!!!

If you were paying attention, you'd notice that the main drivers of the current budget deficit are: 1) the war in Iraq/Afghanistan;

Ok; so what would you have had President Bush do after the attack on 9/11/2001? Please enlighten us, because I think he would have been hauled out of the White House by his ears if he had NOT responded the way he did. It happened - We have to live with it now until it's done. Our troops are doing their best over there to do just that - END IT! Let's back the troops fighting to keep our freedom as well as protect this country from potential harm.

One other thing...we've lost 1527 of our military thus far in Afghanistan, with the peak numbers being during Mr. Obama's reign, and 4446 thus far in Iraq.

Compare that to:
WWI: 116,516 dead Americans
WWII: 418,500 dead Americans
Korea: 33,686 dead Americans (that we know of - many MIA, and the official total is unknown.)
Vietnam: 58,267 dead and missing Americans

Look at the number of years for each... we were in WWI from Spring 1918 (when we joined in the fighting) to November 11, 1918, when it ended. WWII, we declared war 12/7/1941, and it ended 9/2/1945. Korea, June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953, and Vietnam from 1954 (the U.S. joined March 8, 1965) to 30 April 1975, when the acting president of South Vietnam surrendered.

I think we're doing a pretty good job, considering that our weapons have gotten deadlier...
The cost, though high financially, has been low in mortality.

To continue...

2) the Bush tax cuts from 2001/2003; and

Ahh - You can tell from that statement what kind of person you are... because a tax CUT means they STOPPED TAKING SOME OF OUR MONEY! If the taxes were lowered, people would have more money to spend. They could spend it in more places. Companies could hire more workers. The companies would be using the excess money to pay those workers, who would - in turn - pay their share of taxes, and be buying products and helping with the economy. But by taking - YES TAKING - your money, the government is preventing you from spending it in places where you could help others get jobs, companies hire more people for research and manufacturing, etc. The government allowed us to keep our own money with the "Tax Cuts" and to spend it where we chose to do so. How rude of them to allow us to spend our own money, or give it to charity, or buy a house..... How dare they!

3) rising Medicare costs (which are from a bipartisan failure to rein in our health insurance system and from Bush's very expensive and unfunded Medicare Part D).

Ahh - there it is again! If people were employed, they could make money and be able to afford their own health insurance - if they chose to purchase it - thus reducing welfare and costs to the system. If people were allowed to invest their money rather than paying those taxes you mentioned, they could afford retirement without Uncle Sam taking "Social Security" taxes from us. Yes - they take from you when you make money, and then they might let you get it back if you live long enough.... Or will they?

The latest estimates show that the SS system will be broke very soon - especially with the baby boomers (from WWII and Korea) coming to retirement age.

We're paying people for not having work. We're below 9% unemployment... but how much of that is because people gave up? How many people close to retirement were let go, and are now on social security?

Also, because those unfunded costs are being pushed down to the states, those too are going broke. Since the 17th amendment was passed, the states no longer have any say in the federal level of government, allowing all these unfunded mandates (such as welfare) to be pushed down to them, and they have no choice but to put more money and more money into that. Where do they get it? Taxes!

But those tax cuts and "Bush's very expensive and unfunded Medicare Part D" are really making a dent in the income of the government... It couldn't have anything at all to do with the 4 TRILLION DOLLARS that have been added to the national debt since Mr. Obama came into office, now could it?

The rich now pay far less in taxes as a total percentage of income than any of the rest of us, and this is all because Republican hacks told us that if we gave these tax breaks, we'd have a really great economy. Wrong.

Let's look at that for a moment... I'm going to comment in italics here.

The rich (people with money) now pay far less in taxes as a total percentage of income than any of the rest of us (which is unfair), and this is all because Republican hacks (which I assume is your feeling toward them, not anything that has been shown as fact) told us that if we gave these tax breaks (and took less of their money), we'd have a really great economy.

Now let's look at this a different way.... In fact, let's look at it three ways.

1. Flat Tax: This has been brought up before, and anyone who does the math will note that the rich would end up spending the same percentage of their pay in taxes as the poor. If there were no exceptions - such as reducing by property taxes, gambling taxes, insurance costs, reductions for children, reductions for other dependents, etc. - then the average person would be complaining because those reductions were removed. It's true, they pay a lower percentage now, and it would be fair to even it all out, and make it ... let's say, 10% of your income regardless of what you make. So the person or business making $10,000 a year would pay $1,000 in taxes, and that rich bastard on the hill living in the mansion looking down on you and laughing who makes $25,000,000 would pay $2,500,000 in taxes. That's the same percentage... it leaves the $10K person with 9K, and the 25M person with 22.5M. This is why it hasn't been done - because too many people think that the flat tax would be unfair to low income people. Even if it dropped to 0 for people making less than $20K, however, you would still have a lot of people complain.
2. How about we take a person's income and divide it by their age, and take six times that as their share? A 25 year old man making $25K would pay $6K... that same person making $25M would pay $6M. The 50 year old man making $25K would pay $3K... the 75 year old man would pay $2K, etc. Nah, that wouldn't work - People would claim it wasn't fair that they had to do division to do their taxes.
3. Current way: We pay based on a tax table based on some function of the income, with deductions based on what we do, the dependents we assist (children, elders, etc.), the property we own, the types of investments we make, the charities we donate to, etc.

Which do YOU think is the most fair?

There's a reason that 90% of the national debt was rolled up under Republican presidents: cutting taxes for rich people causes deficits, and it steals from our kids to pay

I'm sorry... but President Obama has increased the national debt... looking it up... one second... Oh yeah; I already mentioned it... four trillion dollars! That's $4,000,000,000.00+
The total debt is currently $14.279 Trillion Dollars. () Now this was in only TWO YEARS! You find me a Republican President that added 40% to the national debt in two years' time, and I'll cede the argument to you... You can't blame this one on the Bush tax cuts!

I congratulate them on opening a business.
I think that they might have been able to get a loan elsewhere if not for the SBA though. Just because it's there doesn't mean there's not an alternative.

If this goes through... and I hope it does... then I feel the small businesses who aren't already on the verge of collapse will pull through without the government's help.

Steve: Wonder if his oppenant will concede.........

Not a chance. It just means the union reps have another long night ahead them to fill out some more ballots.

I am sure they will find some newly found Ballots that were somehow Miss placed..

I mean hey . It happened here in Washington State...

Steve-O,

Yeah, I heard he 'picked them up' on his way home from work. Nothing like the incompetence of a party faithful two days AFTER the election,...

Who were you just targeting with the 'found' ballots comment?

right! I thought so.

Wow, you're asking for the world there I'm afraid.

We could all get along... but wouldn't that be boring? :)