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House Speaker John Boehner, right, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid walk outside the White House to talk to reporters after their meeting with President Obama regarding the budget and possible government shutdown.
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro and Athena Jones
House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), standing side-by-side, emerged from the White House moments ago to say that the two sides had still not yet been able to strike a deal.
There's "no agreement" yet, Boehner said, calling the meeting "polite" and "to the point." But both Boehner and Reid said talks will continue. Staffers will begin another round of negotiations at 3:00 pm ET, and the principals will return to the White House at 7:00 pm ET for more talks.
"We are continuing to work toward an agreement," Boehner said. "All of us believe we can get to an agreement, but we're not there yet."
Boehner reiterated that he asked President Obama to sign the bold stopgap measure he declared would "fund our troops and keep the government open."
“I did ask the president to sign the stopgap measure we passed to fund our troops and to keep our government open and I did express to the president my disappointment that he suggested he would veto that bill,” Boehner said. “Our goal is to reduce spending in order to lead to a better environment for job creation in America and I do believe that it's important that we take this moment and get the largest spending cuts possible that'll help our economy."
Republicans proposed, and just passed, a one-week continuing resolution that would cut an additional $12 billion in federal funding. President Obama has vowed to veto that. The bill has become a political football for Republicans, and is much more than a "troop-funding bill," as the GOP suggests. There are so-called "riders" in the bill that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, and more, that would do little to cut the deficit but are ideological elements important to the conservative base.
(Riders are defined by the U.S. Senate as: "Informal term for a nongermane amendment to a bill or an amendment to an appropriation bill that changes the permanent law governing a program funded by the bill.")
For context, that number is more than the last two CRs combined -- $10 billion over the last five weeks.
That stop gap bill would not have passed the Senate, according to Reid.
House Democrats have proposed to no avail a "clean" CR that would keep funding levels the same for a week. That is not likely to see the light of day in the Republican-controlled House.
"We'll see you back here at 7 o'clock," Reid joked at the beginning of his remarks. He said both sides "had a frank discussion" and said he is "disappointed we haven't gotten something done at this point." He stressed, "In a matter of a little more than 24 hours, unless we work something out, the government will shut down,” Reid said, before going on to cite a private-sector report that estimated even a temporary shutdown would pare 0.2% from the GDP. “We are going to continue to work to get this done. It's uh not easy to do, but it's doable and as I said we don't have a lot of time to do that.”
Reid added that he's hoping they will have a deal after they meet at 7:00 pm ET.
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There sounds like an “Urgency of Now” with a budget deadline looming on the horizon. However I don’t think it is as serious as the media ramps it up to be. We’re not broke. But that is what the critics of President Obama want the people to think. But this whole situation puts the Republicans/TEA Party in the spotlight concerning their patriotism as it paints the picture back to 1995.
Republican/TEA Party = Extreme measures… extreme response
No Soldier’s pay… Treasonous
No Police pay… Criminal
No Health and Human Service… Inhumane
No Infrastructure/Transportation Policy… Corrosive
No Counterterrorism… Devastatingly Dangerous
No Food and Drug Administration… Contaminated/Nuclear Poison
No Immigration/Minority Affairs Policy… Racist
No Budget Compromise… Humiliating and Disturbing
These are the extreme measures that the Republicans are willing to take just so that they can regain power. They truly, truly, truly believe that the American public is that naïve. However that may be true of those watching FAUX News because that is the only station they take their tripe to. The robots that obtain their thoughts and words from Failed Entertainers and Failed Governors have no peace of mind because the message of hatred and envy is continuously being pumped into their brains. The TEA is spiked and tainted.
Welcome to the Republicans United States of America… same as the old United States of America… fear, shame, greed, hostility, malice, envy, gluttony, suppression, segregation. They have had this same message for the past 20 years. If they haven’t changed by now, they never will.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
And they are dividing “US”A.
y not? ;-)
Way to use the Word Extreme as you were told to by your Liberal Caucus.........
mm, yeah y not...
Still on topic. Just recycle like First Read has been recycling for the past two days.
Which makes you wonder, how many articles can you write on the same subject anyway? Looks like around 15 and counting.
President Obama is teaching me how to be a better poker player... oi!
(:^/\)
I literally hi-jacked this comment from one of the commentors over @ Think Progress. I just couldn't resist. It is so funny.
The bets around Washington, DC are which will shut down first- the Federal Government or John Boner's Liver, for all the extra drinking he has been doing since all the Teabaggers came into Congress.
Thanks for sharing Pat! That's a classic! lmao
Come to think of it, he looks sweatier than usual the last couple of days...
HAHA! Pat, that comment left me intoxicated.
Giggidy
(=^))
ooo Steve, nice one!
you showed them!
You mean Boehner's liver or one of Feisty's posts.
Feisty stood in, got slapped down, stomped her little footy and, then...
Came crawling right back. So assertive Feisty.
Way to fit the race card in there Louis J....
The only things you forgot were that President Bush caused Hurricane Katrina coz he hates black people and that he caused the earthquake in Japan coz he hates Japanese people
Hate to say this Louis, but all the Republicans are doing is banking on the naivity and support of the American dunces who voted them in office. Why wouldn't they? But we'll see how those trailer park denizens fare when an unresponsive FEMA cannot address their claims after the scheduled storms this coming weekend!
Hi Pat, Boston, MA
I have been meaning to give you a shout out all day.
The other day I thought about the Boner's skin color maybe having something to do with his liver. Usually the skin is jaundiced. Does anyone know if liver disease could also cause an orange hue?
Louis,
Yea, and a guy living in a shelter isn't broke either ...... as long as he can beg for spare change.
Anyway, thanks for demonstrating the Left's detachment from reality.
That is like a spouse saying we are broke, can we only go $163,350.00 into additional debt instead of $165,000.00 into additional debt and the other spouse screaming YOU EXTERMEIST.
Anyway, thanks for demonstrating the Left's detachment from reality.
United We Stand, Divided We Fall ...... And they are dividing “US”A.
Nah, the "US" you are referring too, your world view, is that of the liberal 20% fringe that is detached from reality. There is no reeling you guys back down to terra firma. Your all welcome to stay floating in your little progressive gas cloud. The 80% will move on.
Louis, be a sport and provide some support for your assertion that we are not broke.
Cause I see that $.43 of every dollar is borrowed, which tends to lead one to a conclusion that is opposite of yours.
Do you have any support for that Louis, or you just making stuff up cause it's fun?
And Louis - it'll be through insolvency we shall fall. But you totally know that right Louis?
Good one Pat.
If they do not agree to. Budget that seriously cuts the deficit and puts us on the road to fiscal responsibility, we, as a nation, will pay the same consequences as an individual who does not get hold of the irresponsible spending, and is forced into bankruptcy.
We will not be talking about choices- they will be made for us because of our lack of access to credit. The Spaniards got the message and adopted the austerity measures they had resisted for so long. They understood the gravity of the situation- why cannot the Democrats? Are they truly living in fantasy- land?
This is serious business, folks, not political gamesmanship. We MUST cut this outrageous deficit; if we do not, what "begins with us" will be the total destruction of this nation.
The price of irresponsibility is too high.
Suppose, for a moment, we were, like Greece, denied access to the market. With no credit available, those cuts all liberals are so passionately against will be made- and then some. Now take into consideration the state of the world- there is very little question in my mind that either we or Israel would be attacked. Then what?
We roll over, because there is no money to fight our attackers, or we cut somewhere else, in order to fund the military? Great choices there.
Given the circumstance today- where the House passed a temporary bill that would give them another week, as well as fund the military for the rest of the year, and Obama's threat to veto it as a means to keep military families in limbo, (thus, he believes, "winning" the issue), it is not hard to see what. A democratic administration and congress would choose.
I only hope there are enough endangered democratic senators to override an irresponsible action by this president, fund the military, pass the stopgap, and cut this budget before it is too late for this country. If not, I suggest you begin reading every article on line about Greece- and pay attention to Portugal, while you are at it. We will be there before you know it.
Strip the social riders (What are those items doing in the budget anyway) and pass the damn thing! I'm tired of finger pointing, tired of vapid accusations, tired of the word comprimise being spit on, just plain tired of this whole mess.
from what I can tell, the number is decided (regardless of what each party leader says) 33 billion in cuts will be the probable number.
Drop the riders and pass the damn bill!
I agree, the Republicans knew in Feb that the Democrats would not pass a bill with these riders on them and despite what Boehner says these riders are ideology. Strip the riders then pass the stupid bill for the full $61 billion I am sure they can come up with $61 billion in waste to make up keeping the funding for these riders. It would be a frickin win, win, the Republicans get their $61 billion the Dems get their riders taken off the table. Then the idiots can get on to the much bigger issues of the debt ceiling and the 2012 budget. This Congress is your tax dollars at work people.
Hey, Boehner's not so bad. He might have a bad liver and cry alot, but he'll tell you he loves you at the bar every night. :-)
no joe, no bo, nj
Given the circumstance today- where the House passed a temporary bill that would give them another week, as well as fund the military for the rest of the year, and Obama's threat to veto it as a means to keep military families in limbo, (thus, he believes, "winning" the issue), it is not hard to see what. A democratic administration and congress would choose.
No Jo, Bohnor Put the military spending on this to gain favor with military familys he could give less than 2 sh8ts about them. its a smoke screen. if he cared them why did he vote against the VA bill obama signed last year. what it cost too much, but now you saying Bohnor is looking after military familys, smoke screen No Jo.
the main issue here is cutting on the backs of Children, the middle class and old people, and not the Military, gates has said he can cut billions right now, why haven't they put that on the table, No no jo he wants to screw children with cutting head start, he want to screw old people with ryan bull sh8t proposal that in the end will pass off the extra cost to the states, he want to screw the middle class by putting us at fault.
christie just got jerseys house in order with the ryan proposal he will have to do it again if not raise tax, and No Jo if he does that you know what will happen.
Obama needs to call all department head to the WhiteHouse, from defense to education, deaprtment of energy to HLS and make everybody bit the bullett. between all i don't see why we can't hit the 80 billion mark, but No Jo it must be fair, Not just one side. see No Jo i agree with you, this must be done, but not on the side of the ones who can't afford any more republican policys that screw them over.
you can't justify cutting head start with out cutting defense.
Louis J, you little ole racist you......you almost had me agreeing with many of your talking points, but you wish to blame the Republicans for presenting a budget proposal that Obama/nancy/harry didn't accomplish on time when they controlled the House and Senate. Yeah, yeah, tell me about a fillabuster, GOP bullys, and such.
Republican/TEA Party = Extreme measures… extreme response - Extreme Spending by Obama and the progressive party which created more spending than any other President created.
No Soldier’s pay… Treasonous - Without question. Our boys/girls are in harms way but the legislators are paid for failing their responsibilities.
No Police pay… Criminal - Federal Police?
No Health and Human Service… Inhumane - I have been saying that about obamacare. Glad you agree.
No Infrastructure/Transportation Policy… Corrosive - Really?
No Counterterrorism… Devastatingly Dangerous - Really? Trust me, those boys/girls are working and will be. Paid retroactively like other essential classifications. Learn about governmet on the internet.
No Food and Drug Administration… Contaminated/Nuclear Poison - Yeah, they really did their job during the Gulf spill crisis.
No Immigration/Minority Affairs Policy… Racist - Really Louis, play the card against any objective opinion other than yours. Come on out to CA and see what us minorities must go through supporting the Criminal Alien population.
Where have your elegant posts been lately LouisJ? Once upon a time, you were fed interesting pieces to post. Now you are almost into the Bev and Feisty gutter.
No Budget Compromise… Humiliating and Disturbing - Blame it on Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Oh, and Obie, for it happened under his watch. And watch is all he does - no leadership.
safecracker
No Food and Drug Administration… Contaminated/Nuclear Poison - Yeah, they really did their job during the Gulf spill crisis.
Sorry to let you know this but the gulf oil spill was on EPA not No Food and Drug Administration.
I agree with you louis was wrong, this is not racist, but class warfare.
You guys are funny, you don't really know how to spell or use grammatically correct sentences, but your funny! And Louis you really do need some more Jewish friends, Its spelled Oy! not Oi lol god its no wonder you all think you have a majority...... Umm in case you didnt know it you dont. But that is part of your cutesy kinda funny. Oy! lol thank god golf seasons coming I do so need some more time with my fellow independents who by the way are as of todays emails staunchly in the center to right arena! I had a very funny event today...... a community organizer was in the area and my little 3 lbs Yorkie decided she didnt like him......chased him back to his car! couldnt be any funnier to watch this 200lbs full grown man running away from a 3 lbs Yorkie!
This is just a repeat of Gov. Walker in Wisconsin. The Teabagger/Republicans are using the debt as a guise for their own narrow political agenda. The pro-life social agenda going after Planned Parenthood, the anti-climate change going after the EPA, and of course repeal of legitimate and even cost-saving legislation like health insurance reform, and of ALL things not enforcing finance reform--like after the 2008 economic meltdown, only idiots would try to destroy this.
It is NOT about the debt. Democrats have agreed to the same number in cuts. The difference is Democrats want to cut things like tax subsidies for oil companies instead of things like education. You know, take away tax breaks for companies like Exxon Mobil that pays ZERO taxes.
As for hiding behind the troops, that is despicable considering it is always the Republicans who try to block money for equipment, pay raises, or medical care for Vets. Pretending they care about the troops adds insult to injury.
Well, like Wisconsin, the radical extremist Teabaggers will only fool their base. The rest of the nation will boot their butts out in 2012.
And those of you who shout "Shut it down" are the most stupid of all. A shutdown will add to the debt, it will hurt the fragile economy and most of all the American people. If you don't like America, I'd be happy to show you to the door.
Yep and we have the cards in our hand. Its going to be a long summer. Oy! lol!
Great - the republicans submitted and passed plan A and knocked off another $20 billion earlier this week and still reid and obama ignores it. Now the republicans want a temp spending bill (plan b) to avoid a shut down and obama threatens a veto. Does anyone believe that if a shutdown occurs that obama and company won't pay dearly nov 2012? Guess the obama and company are hoping that jobs will be so forthcoming that no cuts will ever be needed.
Does anyone have a link showing what the democrats plan has for cuts and why the democrats don't like the republican cuts? I mean we are talking discretionary spending cuts, you know cuts to OPTIONAL GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS!
If congress can't handle the simple stuff, how can we depend on them to do any type of work on the FY2012 budget and beyond?
Jollyoldsoul said "You guys are funny, you don't really know how to spell or use grammatically correct sentences, but your funny!"
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
Since we are now correcting grammar and spelling, it is YOU'RE (as in, you are) not YOUR (as in, belonging to you). Maybe you should worry about yourself, before you go criticizing others.
oi!!, Nihongo not Yiddish A Japanese interjection.
It sounds like Democrats believe that unless they are the winners, it doesn't matter what the other guy wants to do, they will be against it, and then they will call all the other people stupid and trailer trash, etc...
Face it kids, the joke is up. Obama stripped the treasury of $3 trillion in two short years, it did nothing but keep some govt people working a bit longer, and the majority of Americans have had enough of radicals and idiots running this great nation into the ground.
It remains to be seen if the Tea Party can do anything good, but the TRUTH is that the Democrats and Republicans have proven over the past 60 years that they are incompetent, corrupt, and cannot be trusted with a nickel let alone our multi-trillion dollar economy.
Charctine
Apparently jolly's ipad doesn't have an apostrophe or a semi colon. It is always a tad bit funny to see the scorn and then the tumble.
I have to say, I've done it myself; but it is always delightful.
I heard the President said he won't sign a one-week extension, is that true?
If so, good for him. If he means it, that is.
It's about time he started pushing back hard. Negotiations are not a one-way street, which certain state governors seem to be learning, as well.
Anna Molly, President Obama has said he would veto what Republicans just passed -- a bill that would cut another $12 billion in funding and keep the government open for another week.
Democrats have proposed a one-week measure that would keep funding at the same levels. One major complication -- aside from whether Boehner can corral the most conservative members of his caucus to pass a deal -- is Republicans' rule to have 72 hours to review all bills. We are well within that window.
Thanks Dom!
Note to self - make sure to stock up on some *popcorn* on the way home! lol
This is getting GOOD!
Domenico,
I knew you were Monitoring the Boards. Still nothing on the Collapse going on by the Regular Liberals here on FR. or do you just post for your FAR LEFT LEANING friends...........
come on be a Real Journalist and Respond to everyone
"everyone" steve-o
you seem to be the only one crying about being collapsed
Stop squirming Stev vany, you're making me nervous.
Giggidy
(:^O)
I am just point out what a Terrible Journalist that Domenico is. This man has Zero Standards and shows his Bias in Everything he does. The Agenda that he Helps Set at MSNBC keeps it at the Bottom of the Ratings.
I understand you guys will Defend him. it doesn't bother me. It shows how Spineless he is.. that he can't defend himself..
Oh My Anna M - Prosser is back up?
Appreciate the information, Domenico, thanks.
Hi, Dom-
Will you guys in the Boiler Room be answering my (ongoing, continuing) question this week?
Ya gotta admit...
It IS timely...
lol
Mixed Bag
I can Answer that Question for them. No they wont use your Question you are Conservative. They dont use Questions that would in anyway oppose the Agenda they are trying to push that keeps them at the bottom of the Cable News Ratings...
Actually, I think they did answer one of my questions, Steve...
But...
It wasn't nearly as good as the one I'm asking now.
So, Boiler Room.
Are you gonna step up to the plate?
Come on Steve, act like a man and not a crying Tea Bagger.
Steve-505729
"I am just point out what a Terrible Journalist that Domenico is. This man has Zero Standards..."
I'd take my business elsewhere if I were as ticked about it as you are. HEY SPANK- got another one for you to ridicule about 'stomping is little feet....". Go get 'im, champ!
Sounds like someone had an extra helping of 'Toasted Full of Himself Flakes' for lunch! lol
Why is it you guys Seems to feel the Need to Defend Domenico on this one. Come on. its a Question that needs to be Answered. Everyone is Tired of the Collapes........... He will Answer for Liberals but wont Answer for Conservatives.
We all want the Collaspes to Stop But we know that this was infact a Concerted Effort by the liberals to Collapse Conservative Post Today Lead by none other then The Nasty one. She rails on these boards about Collaspes then Sets in Motion an Agenda to do it. Sounds Pretty Hypocrital to me.
So how about it DOMENICO. do you have the SPINE to answer my Question Or will you let your LACKEYS here on FR do it for you.
OH Look ..
THE NASTY ONE chimes in. Coward
Remember Tiananmen Square. Well the Republicans are driving the tank, and the poor and elderly are the ones standing in front of the tank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQqDqOx3KY&feature=related
Steve,
According to you someone reporting the facts in an open and accessible way is "show(ing) his Bias".
If we want to know the facts in this for-profit news environment we must thank Domenico.
Real news can be shockingly different than right wing spin.
Thanks Domenico!
LOL! While I'm flattered that you believe I have that kind of power around here, I have to ask, paranoid MUCH?
I don't know who's behind it but, it's WAAAYYYY past time you & your ilk got a taste of your own medicine!
Instead taking it like a man stevie, you've been howling about it all day like a vampire who's been hosed with holy water!
Maybe YOU & the rest of the phony First Amendment lovers will think twice before they decide to flag something JUST because they don't like it!
Hell, some of you BRAG about not even bothering to read the comment and flag it anyway!
Pull up your big boy panties stevie, and DEAL with it! Or better yet find some place else to WHIMPER...
Mr. Conservative Values.
I have Declared Myself the Winner of this Thread.
Domenico is not Man Enough to stand up for himself..
Crimony, Steve.
Steve, if you don't like it here, perhaps you can go visit the Conservative FOX.
I like it here Alot. I love coming here and Showing what Hypocrits the Hosts like Domenico are. I mean after all where else could i post my Thoughts and Feeling about such a Terrible Journalist who has drug MSNBC into a ditch and over a Cliff.
WINNING> DUH......
Feisty,
Keep those attack posts coming........I do get a kick passing them to the White House.
By the way Feisty, the site was hacked. hehehe!
What's not to like, Job1?
First Read has become my home.
I'm feeling warm and fuzzy.
You?
feisty, you really have to stop eating so much of that popcorn. The BMI is getting up there, that stair-stepper isnt supposed to be a place to hang your clothes.
Steve - just tell FR that you are a minority and not white. Dom and FR editors will have to respond or face discrimination charges. Just don't claim discrimination based on party affiliation, that won't be covered.
Mr. President "Veto" the bill. These games on the American people while planning to take over women's rights, Shutdown the EPA, Deregulate, Roll back The Wallstreet and make Tax payers responsible once again if we have too big to fail, time to Veto! No more rolling over and lying to the American people. 12 Million Families are out of work and suffering and nobody cares. Not One Republicans has mentioned Jobs, just the same old cultural wars, enough!
Wisconsin Dems set the example, now it's time for Washington Dems to follow through.
Please Veto, and then go on national TV during prime time and get your message out.
Never thought I would agree wth june or job1, but yes obama go on national TV and shout your veto out over the rooftops across America. Start your campaign out with a bang!
Yes Mr. President
Let`s not cave in to those crazy teapartyers, too many people are depending on you Mr.Boehner you can help too and become a hero to the American people by compromising. You must realize by now the teaparty people do not care for average Americans they are bought and paid for Lackeys for the wall street crowd. You saw what happened in Wi. Do not think it can not happen to you too.
 I see. Holding the troops hostage so you can sneak some policy changes in the back door for special interests. And whether the GOP wants to admit it or not, attacking reproductive rights is the action of special interests. WAY TO GO OHIO.
"Reproductive rights"? Who is attacking anyone's right to reproduce?
That's republicans, cut funding for planned parenthood so we can have more pregnancies, and then cut funding for new mothers.
Brilliant !!!
Eric,
Yep, you got it. It's called personal responsibility.
Jimin Houston
You know, if they just DNA'd for child support on every born child, the economics of poverty would sure swing. It DOES take two to make a child.
x
Stand you ground Mr. President. Many of us are standing behind you. We are sick of these republi-clown/t-baggers using any and everybody as pawns. Now the meme is going to be you don't care about the miltary.
The truth is it's these republi-clown/t-baggers who don't care about the military or anything unless it is money. If they want to go shutting the government down; so be it.
Checkmate!!
So let me get this straight..... Boehner sends through a bill guarenteeing military funding through the rest of the fiscal year (along with a one week CR), the anointed one then threatens to veto that and its the Republicans who don't care about the military?
If vetoing a bill that would make sure the troops get paid for their service is your idea of "caring about the military" man Im glad Im a veteran and no longer serving.
I can see why troops wont serve this president now
No. what Boehner has sent through is his bill essentially blackmailing the POTUSA with payment to our armed forces.
If you're looking for a bullying thug then look no further than in the Republican and T-Party camps, You'll have difficulty finding anyone who doesn't fill that category.
The problem with the left is that they are too PC to have the guts to fight the right-wing bully attitude with the vicious self-serving gutter tactics that the right employ.
Until the left grows a thicker skin and backbone to fight fire with fire they will continue to be defeated simply because they lack the indiscriminate win at any cost attitude that right have.
As long as Democrats focus on always holding the moral high ground they cannot win a war that Republicans and their pitbulls, the T-party, will continue to win because their obsession is their own agenda and the middle calls and everyone else be damned.
Larry,
You didn’t bother to mention what else is in the bill that provoked that response from the President – do you even know?
Got any links to prove your statement that service men and women don’t want to server under this President? Otherwise I say you are full of it.
Yes, Larry is full of it. Those Republican -Tea Bagger thugs are using the military as a hostages. SHAME.
Ok Larry, if the Republicans are just super concerned about our troops getting paid, if they are just trying to do the right thing by them, why not put a clean bill through just to fund the pentagon and get that issue off the table?
I'm sure the President and the Senate would pass it, there's no way they couldn't.
But that won't happen because the troops are all that the republicans have left for cover, and that is a damned thin shield for them.
If the Republicans keep sending through "Mini Spending Bills Cutting $2 Billion Dollars for every week they pass, they will achieve their $70-$100 Billion in cuts. Is it just me or do we have Dems on Capitol Hill who can Count? Just asking?
More important, Republicans & The Teaparty just want to Cut, Cut, Cut, they have no idea on what to cut, the adverse effects on families, the Elderly, The Poor, just because they say they made a promise they are recklessly jumping up and down laughning wanting to cut, cut, cut.
America hopefully you see what you unleashed on the Americans families suffering they are still suffering Jobs have taken a "No" Seat, and once again Cultural Wars, Women's bodies, Environmental Deregulation, takes a "Front Seat"
Yes, June and the Republicans don't seem to care if cuts threaten our economic recovery. Seems reckless to me.
Yes, we do but Democrats, unlike the GOPTP, believe in compromise and know that shutting down government will have a negative affect on many people and the economy. My view is the TP wants to shut it down; they don't believe in government, think it is irrelevant and absolutely are too stuck on that belief to realize the harm it will cause. To them it's a game.
June as a Tea Prty guy and a conservative most of us have been saying the same thing for a while..... ALL government agencies need to be cut (at the same percentage -- with the exception of our military --until were actually done in Iraq and Afghanistan) across the board at a percentage wo where the debits equal the credits (look Im doing better than Turbo Tax Tim Geithner!) and the budget is balanced.
Not that hard of a concept right?
Then the tax code needs to be rewritten on one sheet of paper..... Ready for this?????? EVERYONE pays an across the board flat tax of 10% and the government (local state and federal) need to learn how to live within that amount! Novel idea I know!
Now this means that EVERYONE from the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds to Bill Gates must pay 10%..... yes even Timothy Geithner and Charlie Rangel...
Countdown to being called a racist....5...4...3....2...1....
Larry, the Tea Party isn't saying "x% across the board except military". It's saying "chop the things we don't like".
OK Bev,
The Democrats under Pelosi and Reed elect NOT to pass a budget so Progressives can be reelected. Well that failed.
Harry still controls the Senate, and is the leader of the new Progressive Party of NO, NO, NO! We will not pass a budget.
Now you have a spending President who states before a vote that he will veto a spending bill. But he will probably vasilate and NOT VETO anything that comes across his desk. That would look bad for his image, and Obie is concerned about image, isn't he?
All of this political drama is old. The mis-stated verbage of the Republican budget proposal is ole. Where is the Dem proposal Bev.
By the way, how's that ObamaWar coming along for you?
I think we should start thinking of recalling some of these tea party congress persons that can't think for themselves or the country. Get real. Everything they're planning to cut does very little to lower the deficit it is just a big smoke screen. What we really need to stop is the ridicules tax breaks for the wealthiest and the companies that took our jobs overseas, get us out of Iraq and Afganistan now. Paul Ryan's budget plan gives these companies even more tax breaks and what they really want with Social Security is to get their fingers into the money that is there. Obama's health care does fix Medicare, the GOP is lying to you, read the bill yourselves in the Library of Congress. (The Republicans know you are to lazy to read it for yourselves so they can get by telling you anything and by the time you wake up it will be too late).
I have not heard any tea partyer talk about across the board flat tax. Every time taxes come up the subject is changed. There must be a class on how to ditch questions, or logical suggestions, because they were paid to do the bidding of the1%ers. How can they offer you guys all this crap and you just lap it up. Have they offered to cut their salaries yet. Do the American people still pay for their health care. We are not broke. We can work smarter no doubt, but cut planned parenthood because you do not approve of some of the services they provide is just wrong.
"There are so-called "riders" in the bill that would cut funding to Planned Parenthood, and more, that would do little to cut the deficit but are ideological elements important to the conservative base"
Is this actually supposed to be a news story, or was this just the talking points received from Jay Carney on Journo-List?
So if the Democrats refuse to compromise and decide to shut the government down, just so taxpayers must fund cowboy poetry, and NPR, is there an "ideological element" to their decision?
Obama and the Democrats are sold out to the ideology of the unions, the Greens, and of course to the abortion industry. It's just never termed an "ideology" by the media. With the media, only the Republicans can have an ideology, while the Democrats are presented as being as pure as the driven snow.
Yes, "ideaology". As in "keep government out of my life and my bedroom. You know.
Bob-1887910, JoAnnaSmith1
This has nothing to do with unions or abortion , this has to do with money for head start and or defense cuts.
this has to do with cutting on the backs of the middle class, plain and simple. do you both have no shame with this, or are you this heartless it does not matter.
The Middle class is broke and we don't have it this time, and if more domestic spending is cut and NO defense is cut through this process the president has a duty to hold his ground for the children, old folks and the middle class.
The problem with those riders are that they were designed to put the Democrats voting against just about every issue that defines their party platform. It's alot more than Planned Parenthood and NPR, there are 65 of them.
It's would be like the Democrats putting a bill in front of the Republicans with legalization of gay marriage, repeal of the second amendment, and a bunch of other stuff that defines them as a party. It just isn't going to happen and would be unreasonable to expect.
But that's exactly what the Republicans are trying to do.
They designed their bill to fail. They knew it wouldn't pass, and will never pass, until they take that stuff out.
There are things that can be cut cowboy poetry is one of them Even they said they are okay. I`m sure there are more that really will not hurt if they are cut. Medical care is essential, these can not be cut. Please people be serious Michelle Bachman, Sarah Palen, Paul Ryan, and the rest are very scary people.
Obama needs to take them on, too many people believe their horse pucky or they do not believe it but want to reel in spending which is alright that is what compromise does.
Mr. President - its time to kick some serious GOP as_es; they treat you like an old time back yard ----er.
You have to make them respect you Sir - cause they wont respect you; like any President before you.
Put the fear of god in their behinds - if they don't want to play ball; close the god damn ball field.
It's not like they give a damn about America anyway.
So don't allow them to gain crap - we all go down!!!
And like always - we got your back SIR!!!!
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
It's good to see you around Democratic Soldier...
Welcome Back - it's been awhle! ;o)
Nice to see you back here Democratic Soldier!
The - Democrat Soldier GREAT POST.
Hey there, Soldier!
How ya' been?
First time I served under a Dem CIC was Jimmy Carter (who I voted for) Holy hell what a joke. I was actually part of the hostage recovery. Bad Bad Bad! Then Bill Clinton OMG save that dress you never know. I cant imagine serving under Mr Obama I would have to resign!
The - Democrat Soldier
Mr. President - its time to kick some serious GOP as_es; they treat you like an old time back yard ----er.
You have to make them respect you Sir - cause they wont respect you; like any President before you.
Put the fear of god in their behinds - if they don't want to play ball; close the god damn ball field.
It's not like they give a damn about America anyway.
So don't allow them to gain crap - we all go down!!!
And like always - we got your back SIR!!!!
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
Welcome back The - Democrat Soldier
Long time no see hope your are well.
I couldn't agree with you more.
United We Stand and Divided Republi-clown/T-Baggers Collapse.
Bob
Is this actually supposed to be a news story, or was this just the talking points received from Jay Carney on Journo-List?
Bob this is actually in the H.R.1 Budget bill being discussed. When you read the bill and you should it will shock even you. The Deregulations and the defunding of their cultural wars are just sickening. Here's the site where you can review the bill. If this doesn't print just look up the bill and especially the policy riders attached to the bill. We need to discuss the Facts, not what sounds good, most Americans have no idea of what this fight is about including outregeous cuts that the Republicans have not laid out where the cuts will occur, the adverse impact, just threw out a number.
The Democrat-Soldier:
It is so good to see you back again. I've missed you.
To the Party of Government and its dependents with snouts firmly embedded in the public trough,
any attempt at fiscal sanity is "outrageous' or 'draconian'.
60 billion is miniscule compared to trillion dollar deficits...it is beyond laughable to call such tiny trimming "draconian"...
Bob
Please let us all know what you would cut first, and the next 5 so we know what you are against. I am not an extreme liberal I consider myself a middle person and I think we need to cut back too, but I would never risk anyone`s life just to save money for wall street.
"And like always - we got your back SIR!!!!"
The real motto of the official Obama poodle network MSNBC!!!
(never mind " lean forward", how lame)
I will take MSNBC over FOX, any day of the week.
The difference between the two sides on spending cuts is merely a fraction of
1 percent of the overall budget. But the real sticking point seems ideological,
in the form of policy riders that would significantly change government
priorities.
Republicans attached dozens of the controversial
riders to their 2011 budget, which passed earlier this year and are the basis
for ongoing negotiations.
The GOP riders would ban federal funding for Planned Parenthood, block Environmental Protection Agency
efforts to regulate greenhouse gases and hamstring the carrying out of
Democrats' recent legislative achievements, including a new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and health care reform law.
One rider prohibits funds for new Transportation Security Administration employees. Another
would zero out subsidies for public broadcasting, including PBS and NPR. Some riders even
mandate foreign policy objectives, blocking NASA from collaborating with China
and banning foreign aid to Saudi Arabia.
Conservatives insist some of the riders must be included in a bill or there's
no deal.
It's NOT about money. It's about Republicans shoving their extreme right wing ideology down our throats in the guise opf financial reform.
In 2007, the Supreme Court issued a ruling that requires the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases. Apparently, the GOPTP thinks by defunding the EPA the Supreme Court ruling goes away.
Planned Parenthood provides health screenings for women and birth control. Take away birth control and there will be more unwanted pregnancies. The GOPTP doesn't care about eliminating the number of abortions, they care about having it as food for their base during election campaigns.
Kinda like when the Democrats shoved their extreme left ideology down our throats in the guise of health reform. How soon they forget.
It sucks, doesn't it.
Shoved down or throat????? There were dozens of congressional hearings on the issue of health care reform. Many Republican ideas were incorporporated into the legislation. Neither side got everything they wanted BUT the poor and uninsured and those with pre-existing conditions will now be able to get healthcare. It was an attempt to protect our neediest and weakest citizens. Can you same the same about the riders in this budget?
Good response, Ira, but theotas is firmly in the "teabagger" camp.
The Democrat Soldier................................................Agree. Most important the last time the Congress put through a Bill for Vetrans the Republicans Voted Against it including John McCain. I wish the American would as you do focus on the facts and not what the Republicans thrown out for bait.
June, good post Semper Fi and TY
Veto the Bill! Veto the Bill!
The moonbats swore up and down for weeks they didnt want to shut down the Government.
Today they do.
While I support slashing government spending, I agree the President should not sign this bill. The Repubs are tying too many social issues to this that could be handled later. Â
Military Officer (ring knocker)?My thoughts also.
John Boner is the biggest vagina in the republican party no balls .He stands and lets a bunch of freak flea party members push him around so he can keep his job man up Boner
As the clock winds down on the most recent Government budgetary extension, we the people are left in a cloud of uncertainty. Sure, most of the White House windows will be boarded up, the Presidential fleet will be leased out to rap moguls, and President Obama will finally be able to cash in at an ultra-exclusive, white-shoe Wall Street firm--that's all obvious--but what about the rest of us?
http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2011/04/government-shutdown-who-will-assume-power/
Damm - didn't realize this was a Dem page - guess I'll go somewhere else for intelligent conversation.
try fox news for your type of intelligent conversation.
June,
Women's rights?
You and others here, blast Palin and Bachmann on a regular basis, and now you are worried about women's rights?
Palin and Bachmann get blasted because they make ridicuilous comments that have no basis in fact. Bachmannn has shown an incredible ignorance of American history. This isn"t about women"s rights, it"s about correcting misconceptions and ignorance.
Women truly and honestly concerned about rights do not hesitate to call out those women who are not capable leaders. Palin, Bachmann lead the pack. It is only the blind that believe otherwise. Of course, real women do not support the taliban lite Republican/"teabagger" party. We are capable of making our health and reproductive decisions without old men trying to control what our choices are.
thetotas seems to believe in the X chromosome vote. Newsflash, as a feminist - I would NEVER throw my vote away by supporting two of the dumbest women on the face of the earth.
This bassacward idea that because we have similar chromosomal makeup we are anything alike is as absurd as most of the other garbage totas seems to spread with the industrial manure machine.
A vote is not some flashy little BRIBE! Real men and women who care about this country have died for my right to vote and won't trivialize it by supporting a couple of nitwits like Bachman and Palin.
Its more than that and you know it. But go ahead and bash women, call them names, degrade them then try and justify with your lame rants.
Even NOW had to be pushed to defend Palin, talk about double standards. The disrespect that these women get, by women is pathetic.
Clara - nitwits like Bachman and Palin. I can give a rat a@@ about how you feel about them. I just dont think its necessary.
Queen of bats & zombie land
Bat sh!t crazy
Verbal Vomit
Dumb & Dumber
Scary bitc*
Why, what does it prove? Because you don't agree with them, because they are members of the Tea Party, what makes it OK?
NOW should not be defending Palin. They should be reminding women why we don't vote for people like her.
I am a woman who would defend any woman regardless of her political affiliation.
Then you are immature and wrong. The issue is not body parts. What we support are those things that help women. Palin and Bachmann are the Stepford Wives of the Republican Party. People of conscience and intelligence would NEVER support them. Which tells us much about you.
watch this video thetotas and realize that your loyalties are COMPLETELY misplaced:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA15XU23kEc
This is the woman who calls them the Lame Stream Media,...seems she had a nice perch with which to criticize,...but she can't handle the heat.
But that's okay, she's made herself a VERY rich woman by taking advantage of the X Chromosome vote and the other folksy people who identify with her.
I will never identify with her. She is willing to lie and distort and she wouldn't know the FIRST thing about personal responsibility. She is so focused on creating a headline and an image that she doesn't PARENT her children; but rather uses them as props for her ambition.
If she is what women should aspire to, I think I'll have the lobotomy and go in for the sex change.
FYI newday - I am not immature nor am I wrong.
I would not vote for either one of them, they are to far right for my taste. However, I do respect their passion for this country.
I support women, and I don't pick and choose, I am not blinded by hate, and I certainly do not degrade them because of their political affiliation.
I will leave that up to you, since you are so good at it.
newday -Why are you so condescending?
Glad to be back!
I just want to fight for the good and betterment of my country and it's people.
Thank you and GOD BLESS AMERICA
Strip everything fiscal out of it, pass it for the riders, and deal with budgets items later. Worked for walker, the rest of the crazies should try it.
I hope the people of Ohio have had their share of Boner's antics and have gotten some smarts after voting for Kasich. I think the time has come to vote these bums out of office when their terms are up. These politicians run a campaign of not letting people know what they stand for, then when elected sell the people down the river. What Bums!
Haven't you Democrats learned, yet?
There is NO negotiating with these right-wing thugs. Obama tried that with the Affordable Health Care Act. The mobsters got just about everything they wanted in the negotiations, leading to a bill with no form of accountability for the insurance companies and no rights to negotiated pharmaceutical costs, and the liars ALL voted against it.
There is only one answer to a right-wing politician and lying hate-and-fear monger.
RECALL !
RECALL !!
RECALL !!!
Lmao......recall what?