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If the U.S. government shuts down, all of the approximate 2.5 million active duty forces will be required to report for duty.
The men and women in uniform will not be paid immediately for each day of service, but will be paid retroactively once the government is back up and running.
Department of Defense civilian workers considered essential will also be required to work, and, like the military, would be paid rectroactively once the shutdown is over.
The remaining Department of Defense civilians would be furloughed, which means by law they cannot report to their job, would not be paid for days missed, and not paid retroactively unless Congress approves the back pay.
During a shutdown Defense officials and the military are required to provide for "safety, protection of human life, and defense of national security."
That's a very broad definition which means deployed military forces, and all military and civilians working in health care, child care, food services education, training, legal and finances are required to report to work.
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Nothing yet on all the Collasped post?
Come on Address it already
A lot of military families live from paycheck to paycheck. Most cannot afford to be paid later.
Ron:
The GOP/TP does not care. It is all about them and the he!! with our troops. They do not care one iota if Soldiers die because there is no support for them, no ammo, no medical care. They just do not give a sh!t about anything other than themselves. They are the most selfish people, as a group, on this planet.
US Navy: They are all a little screwy in the head. From Palin to Gingrich to Bachmann to Beck to Trump.
That's not true, so do yourself a favor and quit generalizing.
That attitude does not become someone who would put "Navy Veteran" in their posting name.
Don't let yourself be lowered by others on these posts who think it's necessary to name call; I hope you're better than that, especially from your experience in service.
That's one heck of a conclusion there Navy.
Now how about you supply some facts to back it up?
And by the way Navy if it is true what you say, that there is no support for the soldiers isn't that the responsibility of the Commander in Chief?
He's a Republican?
Navy, you just sound like a crazy person now.
You're too polite Pat! lol
They are the most selfish people, as a group, on this planet.
Mike Pence admitted they were doing this not for the American people, but for the Republicans. Only. Until he caught himself.
They are selfish. And hateful. As someone who has followed them closely, they are an embarrassment. We do not fight wars to show off our ignorance.
And this is what the GOP continues to do. They will be defeated soundly next year by thoughtful clear thinking Americans all across the Nation.
Look at what they're doing to the Unions. They are attempting to kill them, simply because they don't want the Democrats to raise money next year for the re-election of President Obama.
It’s sad the way these Tea Baggers think. It's mostly people that now feel like they are for once in their lives, big shots.
I do not care what the impotent right says. In my opinion the right wingers are selfish and totally unamerican. They do not know the meaning of patriotism as these people have the same ideology of the the fascist during the 30's and 40's. Gates was just on MSNBC and he said the Military will have to show up and get shot at but they will notbe paid until later. This is wrong. Trying to shut down the government is wrong and anybody that thinks it is a good idea should go back in time and live in Nazi Germany. That is where you belong, not here in this country. It is all about you and yours and you are screwing a lot of people and putting many in harms way for your own little ego trip. Repugnant all of you.
I like the way you think Feisty, Illinois and the rest of the states need more people like you. If the rest of the country would only follow suit in the way that Illinois has run its budget, we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.
We would be speaking Chinese though!
US Navy Guy, your drawing a retirement check right?
Congress gets paid and screw the military, nice move Obama, but most of the military doesn't support Obama anyways and he probably knows it.
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Congress gets paid and screw the military, nice move Obama, but most of the military doesn't support Obama anyways and he probably knows it.
Back that up with facts. I can't but I would go so far to say that you are a lying POS. This is Congress's fault not the President's so get it right.
Oh no Bev, you can't be so wrong, the President can deems, that means his choice, on what's essential and what will be shut down. You would go really far, because it's the truth, you wouldn't know because you're not in the military. It's kind of like there's a 90% approval for Obama from the Black community. Why is that?
Yes, Bev, it was Congress' responsibility. This budget was due in Oct 2010 when there was a Dem House, Senate and President. Yet, in Jun 2010, Steny Hoyer said they weren't going to prepare a budget. Why? That way they could spend like drunken sailors and leave it to somebody else to figure out later. Seems to me the Dems abdicated their right to have any say about a budget they were supposed to prepare and didn't!
True Congress approves the budget and make more suggestions. But lets look at the last Shutdown, Democratic President, but that one passed that military was essential and we continued to get paid. This one is using us as a bargaining chip. Tell me what is going to motivate me to continue this fighting over here, without knowing if my daughter is going to get food and keep a roof over her head. Like we have enough to worry about, now we have to worry about back home as well. I will continue to do my DUTY over here, but where is there DUTY to my family back home.
Ron, that's very true. In my case though, I'm happy to wait on my pay in order to see a bill passed that will start addressing the issue of our national debt. As much as I'd hate to lose out on pay for a bit, I know I'll lose a lot more if the government collapses in a few years and can't pay me at all! let's get this problem solved; right now we're living like someone who make's 80K a year and owes over 80K on credit cards!! Time to pay some of it down.
We're living like someone out of our means? More like this government for the last two years that is destroying this country, yes, Bush started it, but Obama made it 10X worse. How can somebody in their right mind say "we need to spend our way out of debt."
This is unconscionable. Everyone else but the ones who cause the mess has to suffer for it, while the ones who created the mess continue to preen and posture and offer non-solutions and pretend they're earning their salaries, benefits, retirement, and perqs, that will go on uninterrupted while they fiddle.
Anna Molly:
My point exactly. These people that caused the problems, are contributing and aiding the problems are sitting back on their a$$e$ and screwing everybody else. They do not give one iota about anybody but themselves period. Then they get mad when they get called on it.
DoD says that they will give the military half a paycheck on the 15th if the Gov goes down. Well lets see, Labron got around a 99mil 5yr contract with the Heat, which is turning out to be a loss because the Heat sucks now. But the gov decides that it is best to cut pay from military and fed employees that gaurd this country versus a group of people that all they do is play basketball all day, WTF politicians!!! Seriously, do pro-players need 30 bajillion dollar contracts? Like baseball players they dont do @!$%#...ever! Only for like 30 seconds at bat and most likely they strike out but yet they make their 30 mil. WTF! this is so retarded. We are getting involved in 3 to-be wars, and what the people in the U.S. needs most to stand a chance is its military, without their full pay, MOST, service members will loose motivation to come to work and if they are at work they will not work. The service members are on a contract to be a part of their respective branch and for those who are out on the front lines that can mean giving up their lives so that this country can stay free. How you supposed to feel when your not getting paid enough for a job that can ultimately cost you your life?, while politicians are out and about back in the U.S. living it up with their $200,000 yearly income. I say look for other means of cuts, the U.S. needs it military to be top notch at all times, if you loose the motivation of the service members then you loose the integrity of the military. And that ladies and gentlemen is what really grinds my gears
Mr. Evirhard
Well lets see, Labron got around a 99mil 5yr contract with the Heat, which is turning out to be a loss because the Heat sucks now. But the gov decides that it is best to cut pay from military and fed employees that gaurd this country versus a group of people that all they do is play basketball all day
WTF are you talking about? If the government shuts down people won't money to see Labron play.
what im saying is, why r they taking funding out the essential personnel for this country while pro athletes who do it for the money are still getting hella money for a sport. military do it for the country, labron does it for the money, but im not implying just him or basketball in general, y not all pro-sports or anything else that genrates crazy high income. the us doesnt need basketball, we can go play that outside. we do need troops who defend this country to be happy so that they can do their job the best they can
Military Officer:
It may be true that an officer and a gentleman can wait for their paycheck. But there are thousands who are not officers and cannot wait. What have to to say to them?
I know Ron, have Obama say the military is essential, problem solved!
That's right Ron. There are thousands WHO CANNOT WAIT.
Thank you.
I never claimed I represented everyone - that's what I would say to them. I simply stated that (in my opinion) it was worth waiting for one or two paychecks for the chance that a budget agreement could e reached so government collapse in a few years is overted and I still have a job and paycheck to draw. I never said service members wouldn't be affected - of course they will.
In fact, if you look at my other postings, I suggested Congress and the President lose wages while the government is in shutdown. That's what good leaders do, right? They lead from the front. Any issues with my response now that I've clarified it?
Pat and Ron,
Just looked over my original post again (the one you seemed displeased with) and in my first words I agreed with your original comment. Where did the confusion lie?
No issue. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. We can respectfully disagree.
Lead from the front and take care of their Soldiers, seems that this Commander-in-Chief forgot that part. They don't know leadership, they think Leadership is running away from responsibility.
Ron, that's great we have no issues. Now, let me ask you - where do we disagree? Do we disagree on the level of our national debt? Do we disagree on what will happen if we don't control US spending (i.e. see Greece and Ireland)? Do we disagree on how serious the problem is, perhaps? I know, maybe we disagree on how much the Democrats have done to curb spending in the face of looming government collapse?
You let me know where we disagree, and then we can have a respectful conversation on the topic. Please let me know.
Got news for you pal. The repugs are the ones creating the problem. NOT President Obama. It is all about the teabaggers wanting the whole pie instead of compromising. With you guys it is all or none. The world does not work that way, but what the hell do you care, you got yours. And by the way my daughter in a Naval Officer and she is mad because it is going to hurt those enlisted people under her command that DO live pay check to paycheck. You think the landlord is going to give them a free pass. Anybody who supports the government shut down in my opinion is unamerican and not patriotic. In my opinion and I am entitled to this.
We disagree on values. You seem to believe that taking care of the national debt trumps military families getting a timely paycheck. I believe our first priority is to take care of our military personnel.
BTW, Defense Secretary Robert Gates just said that a government shut down would be a hardship on military families. He is looking out for the best interests of the military as well. The debt...not so much.
I'll post it again Ron, why can't Obama make the Military essential? Heck Navy do you care to chime in? Ron can't answer the question, want to give a Navy try?
Ron:
I agree with you 100%. My LtJG is worried about the enlisted personal under her command. They live paycheck to paycheck. This is wrong on so many fronts. This really has me pissed. Putting peoples lives in harm way and then not even paying them is morally repugnant and I do not care what the impotent tea baggers say in defense. IT IS JUST WRONG, PERIOD!!!!!!
USN - I've already recommended you not stoop to name-calling (and broad generalizations), but you seem to have ignored that suggestion. Too bad; you do your credit to your service.
Ron/USN - As I have said twice before, I agreed the shutdown will bring financial hardship to our military personnel (and families, since somehow that just got thrown in). Of course it will; that's obvious. Do I think our service members deserve better? Yes, of course. However, when I say a shutdown may do some good, I am looking at the long-term impacts of saving our nation from finacial ruin. If that makes me "unpatriotic," then I think you should reevaluate your definition of the word (USN - word to the wise, you're not the only veteran here, brother).
So, Ron, I value the long-term functioning/stability of our government, and I would rather assume the pain right now, then put the crisis off on future generations. That's why I joined the military afterall, so my children wouldn't have to.
As I said, our values are different. End of story.
I guess so. You stated in an earlier post that you valued taking care of military families as a higher priority than our national debt. Does that mean we have to ignore the debt in order to take care of military families? You neglected to mention any of the other areas I suggested we might differ on (see post 6.10).
Does that mean you agree with me on those issues?
I don't believe any of us want to ignore the national debt, we have been waiting for a resolution for several months now. We elect our representatives and senators with the hopes they will represent our voice in DC. Care of the military family is not a higher priority than the national debt.... but is it really fair to try and make that comparisson? I have junior sailors supporting a family of 4 or 5 on $1645 per month. At 5am muster am I supposed to look them in the eye and say, "Sorry, I don't know when you will get paid again"? Congress needs to compromise, and move forward with next year's proposal and make a huge impact there. I have been asked to submit my Fiscal Year 2012 budget by May 1st and will be held accountable to that date...... why are we so quick to give Congress a "pass"?
US Navy Officier:
First thank you for your service and I agree 100% with your post. I could not have said it better. Your concern for those in your command is echoed by my daughter who is also a Naval Officer and I am just an old DAV non-com. Thank you.
The Impass Is Caused By Republicans Adding Their "Wish List" Hundreds of “Controversial Riders, Abortion, Planned Parenthood, Epa & Significant Deregulation etc Republicans are trying to avert passing laws and do Extreme “Back Door” Legislation even defunding “School Lunches” at one school.
America You are being taken for a ride. Republicans are trying to solve all their "Cultural Issues" in this bill without having to go through proper legislative channels. H.R. 1 should be read by all Americans it's frightening and the media is not telling us the "Specifics of this bill. Why
When I pulled this bill up for review I could not believe what I was reading. Not One "Job" as the Republicans have preached constantly but they are attempting to take away the rights of any organization funded by the Government that they don't agree with and that has nothing to do with the budget. It's called holding Americans "Hostage" for their "Dream/Wish List.
Here's a list of what they are trying to defund in a Budget Proposal
Riders Deregulate the following areas;
Agriculture
Consumer Protection
Defense
Education
Environment
Federal Elections
Health Care
Homeland Security
Housing
International
Internet & Communications
Trade
Job Training
legislative Branch
Nutrition (Probits funding for 19 of The Richard B Russell National “School Lunch Act”
Recovery Act
White House
America it's time to read, this is a great "Under Cover" Job being done on this country while "Lying" to us each time they the Republicans Run to the Cameras.
There's no way the PResident and the Democrats can agree to even one thing on this List so that means if the Republicans don't back down from trying to destroy our country by lying about why there's an impass, it's time to Shut the Government Down, I believe we the American people can live with an honest Shutdown vs. A lying Munipulative, backdoor plan, to destroy our families.
It's time the Dems stop crying "Uncle" everytime, it's time to Stand Up Mr. President & Dems, we will have to help each other as Americans and suffer through this because the "Alternative is too Destructive On American Families.
whats the link to this bill they r proposing?
June, Fl
The Impass Is Caused By Republicans Adding Their "Wish List" Hundreds of “Controversial Riders, Abortion, Planned Parenthood, Epa & Significant Deregulation etc Republicans are trying to avert passing laws and do Extreme “Back Door” Legislation even defunding “School Lunches” at one school.
Thanks for the list; you've just proved my point. It's al about the Koch brother think tank ideologies.
The Koch brothers’ network works hard to advance a right-wing ideological agenda that helps their businesses reap more profits at the expense of our environment, our economy, and the American middle class
In newspeak George Orwell's propaganda, (Fox NOISE) they tell the people all kinds of falsehoods and deceive and people. How is you can believe them that this is an open society and a democracy when these greedy manipulatives want to take away freedom and democracy?
Besides, the republi-clown/T-Baggers mantra was the American mandate --Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Has anyone heard or seen one job bill?
Thank you, June.
But don't worry, the GOP has made sure to keep Congress' pay rolling in, despite Democratic amendments to halt Congressional pay in a shutdown.
Oh, and don't forget that Rep. Issa and King have already tagged their staffs as "essential" to make sure they STILL get paid, even if Congressional pay is halted.
The Dems and the Reps are all the same... it's a big game of three-card monte and you all fell for it. All they have to do is shout "Terrorists, Gays, or Abortions!" and the bleating sheep get all worked up over nothing. They're free to take your money while you're distracted.
The Dems are the lesser of two evils, but BOTH parties get their marching orders directly from the corporations and rich people who donate to their campaigns. Talk about illegal collusion - if there are only two "electable" parties to choose from and they're BOTH corrupt, what what choice do we really have when we vote? It would be one thing if Americans still thought for themselves, but the rise of FOX News and the failings of our educational system have prevented any serious backlash.
Killing unions, bailing out fraudulent bankers with tax money, putting our troops at risk in two (maybe three) wars, killing off Medicare / Medicaid / Social Security, and de-funding public TV (my God, they're killing BIG BIRD). Every other month a Conservative legislator gets caught in an airport restroom with a teenage boy and the Democrats are too scared (or corrupt) to "Change" anything so they sit on their hands instead.
These sins were committed by BOTH parties - does ANY of that sound "American" to you?
And the "Tea Baggers" are no better - they're just a gang of uneducated "citizens" who haven't figured out exactly why they're angry or who they're angry with. And they certainly don't know where to begin to fix things!
Why is it that every time we have a government shut-down there's a Democrat President in office. I'll tell you, it's because he and his party going all the way back to FDR are the people who get votes by capitalizing on fear, hatred, and class anger. The Democrats COULD have passed this fiscal years budget 6 months ago, but they didn't - WHY - because they INTENDED to push a shutdown to smoke-screen Obama's deteriorating popularity and redirect attention for the continued economic and geo-political fiasco's this administration has wrought. Any veteran who thinks that Obama and his party are good for active duty and retired military need to get their head examined, for Obama has already moved to cut 275,000 from our ranks even though we are emeshed in 3 wars and "reexamine" military pensions and benefits. For those of you who don't have a clue, this IS a war of ideology, and it's about time. Liberalism has destroyed the traditional family, destroyed the traditional morals and values that made this country great, destroyed the security of alliances that supported our national policy in the Middle East, declared war on religion, created a stimulas program that has stimulated nothing, created a health care program that has already increased healthcare costs 20%, destroyed the trust of the business sector, paraylized our domestic energy program, sold out to Unions that have become bastions of collectivized parasites that don't give a hoot about how the rest of us have to pay are fair share, and worst of all, polarized the country to an extent not seen since around 1860. This isn't about money-it's about finally standing up for all thats right and saying enough is enough, and unfortunately, the Tea Party is the first group of American's since Abolishionists to stand up and say NO, and thousands in this movement are more educated that many of you on this blog.
We wouldn't need to do this if we just end the 2.5 Wars we're involved in. When you do a job you should be paid for your efforts. Period. So what will the families do now that they aren't getting paid? Should they just jump on the welfare line? I doubt many families have savings to even last a month...
Get a clue America.
I'm in the Navy, not because it was my patriotic duty, or because I wanted to be a hero. I enlisted because when 9/11 happend I was working for a brokeradge firm, and then the ecoonomy started heading south. Scared about being laid off I joined the Navy thinking they never lay people off and they always pay. Well I'm scared now, my wife and daughter have muscular dystrophy, how am I supossed to concern myself with protecting my country when it is leaving me out to dry. I have read all of these post and to Navy officer who agrees with the shutdown, must be nice to be able to afford it (maybe I should shut my mouth and get back to rowing right sir). To the other Navy officer who would be held accountable if he does not turn in his budget (right on Sir), why is congress not held accountable? Why must we pay for their incompetence. To the crazy woman who thinks Obama is to blame, you need to stop watching fox news get out of the trailer and educate yourself, for your information being deemed essential personal does not mean you get paid, it means you have to come into work and get paid who knows when (all of the military is essential, especially people like me HM) I won't tell you what HM is look it up. So this is the part where I thank the republicans, thank you for driving this one respected nation down into the dirt, thank you for holding us hostage for your own personal gains, thank you for still paying yourselves during this crisis, like what you get from the lobyst and side deals is not enough but ultimately thank you for letting the terrorist win because you ignorent men and women have brought real terror to the US, I don't wake up in the morning and wonder if there will be an explosion in a major city, no I wonder how will I provide for my wife and daughter, thank you for showing this father what terror really is. I wonder if this is what it was like in Rome before it fell?
I appoligize for my spelling and don't worry America, we might be disgruntal but we will keep standing watch and provide you with that warm security blanket.
A clean bill with no riders to fund the military would actually most certainly be passed how come the Reps won't pass that if they truly care about our military families. In a sense of fair play when someone signs up with the military they enter into a contract the Congress is breaking that contract, should that not be grounds for suing each individual congressman for damages and leaving the Military for breach of said contract. I mean if a soldier does not fulfill his duties (breaks the contract) he can be busted or thrown in the brig. Where are all the bloodsucking lawyers when YOU need them OH Yeah they are CONGRESS
Unfortunately the Republican answer is always seems to hurt as many American people as possible.
They only have their own pocket books in their hearts, where are the jobs. Mcdonalds, Burger King. Now take a 60 year old man who used to make $40,000 a year to mop the floor.