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Subscribe to RSSWhite House Press Secretary Jay Carney released this statement on House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan's budget plan.
In short, Carney said that while Obama agrees that the U.S. must reduce its long-term budget deficit, Ryan's plan -- by phasing out Medicare and turning Medicaid into a block grant -- doesn't do it fairly.
The President believes that dramatically reducing America’s long-term deficit is essential to growing our economy and winning the future. Today, Congressman Ryan laid out his vision for how to do that, and he is right that we cannot solve our fiscal challenge by focusing on the narrow slice of domestic spending that has occupied so much of our recent attention. But while we agree with his ultimate goal, we strongly disagree with his approach. Any plan to reduce our deficit must reflect the American values of fairness and shared sacrifice. Congressman Ryan’s plan fails this test. It cuts taxes for millionaires and special interests while placing a greater burden on seniors who depend on Medicare or live in nursing homes, families struggling with a child who has serious disabilities, workers who have lost their health care coverage, and students and their families who rely on Pell grants. The President believes there is a more balanced way to put America on a path to prosperity. But despite our differences, all of us – Democrats and Republicans – have an obligation to find common ground in a way that is true to our values and meets our responsibilities to the American people.
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So, if we phase out Medicaid, how do low income families afford health care? Are we asking hospitals and doctors to provide their services out of charity? What happens when healthcare providers pass these increased costs onto the rest of the population? I don't get it.
'Fairly' is a 4 letter word to these Teapublicans...
Instead of aiming to balance the budget off the backs of the working poor, where are the CUTS to the farming & big oil subsidies along with defense spending?
Don't even get me started on an additional 15% tax cut - when taxes are ALREADY the LOWEST they've been in 50 years!
Come on Feisty and Amy - looks like Obama is voting "present" again.
Now when do either of you suppose he will come up with a plan? You know like the one HIS debt commission formulated?
That one was pretty solid right? So why did he, the "keeper and protector of the poor" walk away?
Is it because Medicare won't fail on its own? Amy? Feisty?
But Amy it is so very gratifying for me to see the little light bulb in your head go off - what does happen when providers pass costs through? Amy, now finish connecting the dots and apply that to O'care.
Come on, it'll be fun.
Obama walked away from the debt commission's plan because it was required to be passed by 14 votes and it came up 3 votes short. If it couldn't even be passed by the commission itself, why should Obama adopt their recommendations?
Oh, I don't know, perhaps because he blew through $223 billion we didn't have last month.
Perhaps because we incur $5 billion per day in interest. Perhaps because $.43 of every dollar spent is borrowed.
How about you Heartlight3, can you think of any reasons the President should come up with a plan and lead? Any reasons at all?
Republicans are not interested in cutting the debt. If they were, they would raise taxes, get all troops out of the Middle East and anywhere else they aren't needed, and cut spending across the board, not just in areas that don't affect their rich masters. They huff and they puff then they lay down and go to sleep.
Amy,
Here is a comment from an article by CNS.com written by Terence P. Jeffrey that might dispel some "Fiestyisms" and "Bevisms" that are out there...
The proposal says the GOP budget aims to: “Secure the Medicaid benefit by converting the federal share of Medicaid spending into a block grant tailored to meet each state’s needs, indexed for inflation and population growth. This reform ends the misguided one-size-fits-all approach that has tied the hands of so many state governments. States will no longer be shackled by federally determined program requirements and enrollment criteria. Instead, they will have the freedom and flexibility to tailor a Medicaid program that fits the needs of their unique populations.”
This could actually help the poor and low income families because this is flexible and able to meet the needs of certain unique populations like inter city vs rural. I think this has promise as to start talking about fixing the problem not just a lot of BS about it.
I have not read the entire budget proposal but will try to do so in the next day or so, but we have to do something and this is a start...
Heartlight,
If I remember correctly, there were eighteen members on the commission, 14/18 to approve is just above 75%. That's a pretty high threshold for anything, much less an agreement on how to reduce the deficit and the federal debt. 11/18 (# voted for) is just north of 60%, which even beats the threshold of a fillibuster in the Senate. I would think that the President would be a proponent of the committee recommendations, that would give him some cover when making tough decisions on the budget, and technically, a non-partisan solution to the problem.
SO much for shared sacrifice. Let the generational and class warfare begin. Time to take it to the streets!
I notice the biggest % of the population (Baby Boomers) don't have to sacrifice squat. How convenient.
Burn baby Burn
I feel the riots coming on this summer. And I will be an active participant.
Ryan is just the latest, if gross, example of the Republican "Dismantle and Privatize" agenda.
Like Walker, Scott, Snyder and other far right TP governors who are attacking human and civil rights: Ryan is acting on behalf of his party's corporate benefactors, not ordinary Americans.
All the caffuffle, noise and drama created by the right will not paper over the essential truth. The New GOP is not a friend to the people.
OK .. for all you partisans. Until the administration actually does something to address the fiscal crisis, or passes a budget for the current year, let alone the next one, they need to "shut their mouth" or present an alternative.
It is an indefensible position to 1) not have a current year fiscal budget 2) not have a plan to reduce the deficit 3) play games over continuing resolutions.
I for one will measure the Democrats on their deeds. While I do not trust the right wing for much of their ideology, when it comes to fiscal issues the democrats are as for out of reality as one can possibly be. Please tell me we are not really going to have another $1+ trillion dollar budget deficit while we argue over $33 - $61 billion in discretionary spending.
Get a clue.
Try to read the proposal... this article is not accurately depicting the plan. It's phoney, scare-tactic, politically biased rhetoric, and the so called journalist should be ashamed.
“the so called journalist should be ashamed”
You do realize that the “journalist” only reported what White House Press Secretary Jay Carney released as a statement. Perhaps you didn’t even read the story above?
According to Pew Research data released yesterday, if a government shutdown occurs, 39% of poll respondents would blame the GOP; 36% would blame the Obama Administration.
Both would be blamed by 16%.
Hmmm...
The White House Press Secretary is not a journalist
sunnyd-
He never was.
The ball is in the President's court...We don't need a "statement" we need YOUR VISION Mr. President. The way to counter the Ryan proposal isn't by telling us his plan is "unfair" it's in having a plan of your own...
Really? Seems to me that's all we got for 2 years whenever the President proposed something.
Besides, isn't it the House's job to write the budget? That's what y'all wanted and cheeredf for in November.
Uh, unless they're telepathic, people tell you what their "vision" is by making a statement. The Obama bashing really gets silly sometimes. Or most of the time.
You really don't know that the Democratic plan was voted on in the Senate and was, of course, filibustered by the Repubs? Really? This is one of the more cynical Republican talking points I've heard repeatedly, which you're just regurgitating.
These folks on the right only listen to the spin placed out there by sources like FOX and they don't bother to get the Facts.
You think?
So where's the Obama plan?
This is the game Obama and the Democrats are trying to play. They'll acknowledge there is a problem, but they will not provide any tangible solution to the problem. And why are Obama and the Democrats behaving this way? Votes. They don't want to lose any. To actually do something about the problem would mean the Democrats would have to cut funding to the very voters that the Democrats depend on to vote for them, and Obama and the Democrats can't have that.
Instead of solutions, the Democrats and Obama will just sling mud at the Republicans. Obama's friends in the media will be helpful to continue the narrative that the Republicans "don't care" all the while the Democrats continue to pile up the debt.
But the American people are smarter than Obama gives them credit for though. They understand the charade Obama is trying to pull on them, that Obama is bankrupting the country. Obama's lack of leadership today will come back to haunt him in 2012.
Instead of solutions, the Democrats and Obama will just sling mud at the Republicans.
Seriously? That's all the "Path to Prosperity" is - mud slinging!
Ursula that is a neat conclusion you have offered. Now I don't suppose you can provide us the basis, or any facts upon which your conclusion is based, now can you dear?
Come on Ursula, and please be specific when you outline for us precisely why and how the plan is "mud-slinging."
Or are you Feisty lite?
And where is Bev.?
"They'll acknowledge there is a problem, but they will not provide any tangible solution to the problem."
Gee, why does that tactic sound familiar? Where have I seen that before?
Heartlight3:
"They'll acknowledge there is a problem, but they will not provide any tangible solution to the problem."
Gee, why does that tactic sound familiar? Where have I seen that before?
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Rep. Ryan sure gave the Democrats a faceful of a solution today.
Rep. Ryan sure gave the Democrats a faceful of a solution today.
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Not really JoAnna. The repubs seem to have no problems with making the poor and middle class sacrifice, but they ask nothing of their rich buds. Untill they do, the debt won't be touched.
Why do the baby boomers get a free ride? Where is the shared sacrifice?
Oh yes, really IL. Ryan smacked the Democrats really hard across their puffy bloated faces today.
So IL, who do think will sacrifice when no one will no longer buy the governments debt? Who do you think will sacrifice when we're paying $1 trillion a year to service the interest on the debt? Who do you think will sacrifice when funding for the bankrupt entitlement programs drys up?
Suit yourself. Sure hope you don't depend on a "guberment" check. If you do, you might want to start thinking about acquiring another revenue stream.
Joanna, Tim has a point. You guys, repubs and dems alike, seem to think you can just kick the debt problem down the road as long as you and your rich buds don't have to foot the bill. Well, what do you think will happen when us post baby boomers get the bill and decide to tear that sumbich up into tiny little pieces and dare anyone on the planet to come collect?
Go ahead. Will that make the problem go away?
And Obama, along with a heavily Democratic Congress, passed a bill extending the what are now known as the Obama Tax Cuts. You now see where Obama stands on the issue of raising taxes, which seems to be your solution. Did Obama disappoint you when he signed that legislation?
I've been on record many times about what I think of our 21st century presidents. We seemed to do well with Reagan and Clinton tax rates, our economy started to tank during Junior's reign when he decided the rich needed to be richer at the expense of the middle class. Well, we're tapped out. You have run out of our money.
IL - the top 10% wage earners, the ones that I will assume you would consider the "rich", pay 70% of the federal tax burden. How much more do you want them to pay? In contrast, the bottom 50% of wage earners pay 2.7% of the tax burden. Is that uneven enough for you, or do think that gap should be widened?
Source: http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/who-pays-income-taxes.html
On the spending side, Bush II spend on average about $600 billion in deficit his 96 months in office for about a $5 trillion addition to the debt. Obama has added about $4.3 trillion in debt, in 26 months. Do you think that increase in government spending might be a problem?
The percentage of wealth controlled by the rich is at its highest percentage since the Robber Baron days. If wealth is what is taxed, it makes sense that the rich pay more because they have more. I guess it all comes down to whether or not you really want the debt addressed. Apparently, you don't.
You didn't answer my question IL. The "rich" pay 70% of the federal tax burden today. How much more do you want them to pay?
And it's odd that you think we don't tax enough, but that we're spending just right. Do you think it's okay to steal from future generations with our trillion dollar deficit spending to pay for the our mores of today? Why should todays children, tomorrows taxpayers, pay for our mistakes?
Never have I claimed spending is just right. Hell, we need to cut drastically across the board. And that includes programs that affect your rich buds. We need to close the loopholes that allow multi-billion dollar corporations to pay no tax at all. We need to get rid of corporate welfare (as if they need it). We need to get our military out of every place it isn't needed, especially the Middle East, after all, its called the Department of Defense. Basically, I don't want to pay your bill.
Oh yes, I would like to see the highest tax bracket go up somewhere between 5-10% points. It still wouldn't be enough but nothing is more pathetic than hearing a billionaire complain about how bad they have it.
It's a spending problem. $3.7 trillion budget with a $1.65 trillion deficit in just one year. Go ahead and propose Clinton era tax levels or even higher rates if it makes you feel better. It will not even come close to closing the budget gap.
I digress. Why is it so difficult to convey that the deficit is a spending issue, not a "Tax the top 2% more issue" and all the budget problems will be fixed. To continue to push that B.S. is a sure sign of retardation.
Joanna - here is obamas plan...
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/business/2011-02/14/c_13731928.htm
http://cedartownstd.com/view/full_story/11387354/article-Obama-unveils--3-73-trillion-dollar-budget-for-2012?instance=home_news_1st_left
The second link is more detailed.
Out of control spending along with an inadequate revenue stream are both the problem. Cut spending, raise taxes. How is this such a hard concept? I don't want your bill!
The Democrats are certainly the right ones to make these proposals, but yet, they never did. Not in the time Pelosi and Reid ran Congress. Not since Obama ran the White House. In fact, Obama, Reid and Pelosi extended the tax breaks for their "rich buds". That must have been so disappointing for you. And then we have GE's CEO Jeffrey Immelt, who seems to be on every economic/business board Obama can cook up. You know how much Jeff's company paid in taxes last year? Zero, on $14 billion in revenue. Doesn't seem to bother Obama, now does it.
Again, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid ran everything for two entire years, and never ever proposed anything like the plan you advocate. If those most liberal of pols didn't do so, who will? And why do you think they didn't propose this increase in taxes? Maybe the "rich buds" you talk about aren't just Republicans.
My bill? Ever hear of Libya? And Obama has always been gung-ho over Afghanistan, even increased the troops going into that country recently. How many different ways has Obama disappointed you? Have you ever counted them?
Now you're talking! With that, you must support implementation of the Presidents Debt Commission report, much of which is included in Paul Ryans plan. Welcome aboard!
Doing what is needed to lower the debt, not the deficit mind you, but the actual debt, would require politicians with a spine. Unfortunately, all we have are you repubs and dems. You keep swapping power back and forth, trying to see who can out-loser who.
Dead on. Bush ramped up spending and cut taxes, Obama has spent even more and extended the cuts. Its not a 'raise taxes only' or 'cut spending only'. Look at the math, we can't sustain this at all, we can't afford two wars, let alone this third one, medicare and medicaid really do need to be reformed. Everything should be looked at, no exceptions, lets all share this burden for now. We can always introduce more programs and tax cuts WHEN WE CAN AFFORD THEM. End the Bush tax cuts, thats the first step.
Cowboyjoe, you get it! Thank you!
Federal tax revenue, both corporate and individual, comes to about $2.2 trillion a year. The budget gap, the deficit, stands at around $1.5 trillion a year. So closing that gap alone with tax increases from $2.2 trillion to $3.7 trillion a year would be a tax increase of 68%. That would certainly balance the budget, but what do you think it would do to the economy? Certainly taxing the money from the people and corporations would cut down on investments and would slow the economy, reduce GDP, and in the end would have the opposite effect of reducing tax revenue.
I disagree with that. That is what our military SHOULD be used for, when the opressed citizens ask for our help during a revolution and to avoid genocide, a coalition that we aren't even the head of goes in to provide limited support. Not invading without approval or without help of a country that really didn't do what we accused it of doing. Not chasing after extremist militants with absolutely association with a unified group, they're in Yemen and Pakistan now anyway. The surge in Afghanistan is only adding to the problem is not sustainable, the minute we leave, the Taliban will take over, most of the military brass agree with this, so we have 2 options. Leave now, or never leave. Can we afford a never ending war?
You forgot someone. You forgot the people that purchase the government issued bonds to finance the US debt. Some day, probably soon, those bondholders will find a better place to invest their money, and won't buy those Treasury bonds anymore. What do you think will happen then?
Sorry CB, that ship has sailed. Obama, Pelosi and Reid had their chance to do so for two years, but in the end, they extended those tax cuts. It only amounts to $70 billion a year of "lost" tax revenue, only 4% of the deficit. Just a drop in the bucket really.
The country has a spending problem, not a tax problem.
And as long as folks continue to believe like you JoAnne, we'll continue to have a debt problem. But don't worry, I'm sure when it hits the fan, and it will hit the fan, it will be my generation that has to deal with problem. Thanks.
CB, I've got the Sudan, Ethiopia, the Ivory Coast, Somalia, Iran, Chad, and Tunisia on the phone for you. Should I ask them to hold?
Its not that simple of a math problem, I wish it were. Rep. Ryan's proposal of eliminating tax loop holes while cutting the set rate 10% is truely brilliant, I was actually surprised to hear it coming from the Right and I actually drew a tear. Any time you remove these loop holes, you raise revenue. If done as proposed, this will generate between 600 and 800 billion annually, but thats the other part. Its not a one solution problem. We can't touch that gap without also cutting spending. I would propose we froze spending for a few years on the little things (Public broadcasting, Art Endowments, minor Research, etc.) and start to cut the big things (subsidies, medicare, medicaide, military).
Just remember, cutting doesn't always mean a hard cut, reforming the big programs, ending redundancies and removing people from these programs who do not need to be on them will save billions.
This isn't a Republican problem or a Democrat problem, its an American problem. Quit pointing fingers and start writing to your congressman.
This isn't a Republican problem or a Democrat problem, its an American problem. Quit pointing fingers and start writing to your congressman.
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Amen Cowboyjoe. I wish the partian sniping would stop and that the problem gets adressed.
Every single one of those have either solved the problem on their own, or are not at the point where they can sustain their own revolution with help, Somalia may be an exception there, but I'm not going to be the one who decides who we help or not. Libya may not even succeed, but we shouldn't invade the country and fight a war for them. Sure, there may be some that we won't help and can't help, but I also said coalition, which means we don't have to do everything.
I especially like how they cut defense spending by $178 million, reinvest $100 million, then use the balance for deficit reduction. Why not just say cut defense spending by $78 million? Well... cutting $78 million from $692 billion is just 0.01% whereas $178 million 0.03% - far more meaningful!
Now that's politics - pure and (not so) simple!
Wow-
Maybe there's no bipartisanship in Congress, but...
Astonishingly, I think I'm seeing some at First Read.
If it can happen here...
Your turn, Mr. President.
The "Gross Odd People" (GOP), and the "Not Really Competent" (RNC), have failed most economic policy tests. This is no different at all! The Progressives in Wisconsin, have been dealing with the continuing unfairness of the GOP economic policies for years. The hard working citizens of the great state of Wisconsin know all about the economic evils of the GOP/RNC. Today in Wisconsin our citizens are going out to the polls to let the GOP/RNC know that they made a huge political mistake. "Hey! Hey! The Party of No has got to go!!"
More news out of Wisconsin.
The Milwaukee, Wisconsin Journal Sentinel is reporting that there are enough signatures to force a recall election for Wisconsin Democratic Senator Robert Wirch.
Let the recalls begin!
Any chance for a citation for that? I don't disbelieve you but I can't seem to find it either on the J/S site or the madison.com site that has both of Madison's online newspapers. Thanks.
try this...
http://www.newsmax.com/US/Wisconsin-recall-budget-crisis/2011/04/05/id/391877
That was truely a shameful mess, mishandled on both ends. They all deserve what the citizens do to them (non-violent, of course).
Thank you, American.
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rather says it all, we now have a starting point...
I don't care what we do so long as our side wins and for once the loud mouth minorites don't get a damn thing. For too many years our people, especially the white male, has been getting the short end of the stick. Do we get civil rights? No! Do we get welfare? No! Are we protected against hate crimes? No! The last thing that we have left is our party, the christian GOP. We should be controling the purse strings. Communist leaning, socialist speaking, non-Christian liberals have robbed this country blind with their entitlement programs. This is what is attracting so many mexican across our boarder. They are ruining our economy. Our four fathers settled this great land. Our people made the flag. Now we let non-Americans disrespect this, the last great nation on earth, the United States of America? We have a Kenyan for president? This is why the Tea Party is digging its feet in. We dare the GOP to give in one inch. Let the minorities and beggars pay for once. Keep the Bush tax cuts in place. Who cares what happens to those ingrates. This is our time to stand.
And that is why the Tea Party lost all credibility in the nation. From a great economic movement, to the ultra conservative white power party. Sure, they aren't all bad, but the few moldy Bananas really stand out even when you put them all in the same bunch. Tell me Willie, where are your ancestors from? Mine are Irish, Italian, Russian and Spanish (and probably more). I have relatives of just about every color and ancestory, and that is what I would define as being an American and I'm proud of that. You disrespect your country by not recognizing its diverse history.
Wow Willie White? Really? Thanks Cowboy for representing the true America.
It sounds like old Willie is nothing more than a Birther Racist. Willie, you don't represent the True America. Instead you represent the white trash of America.
WOW ...willy you ignorant fool...it is people like you that make people hate the united states...you are a poor example of an american...and hearing what you said would make our founding fathers roll over in the grave... your hate speach goes against everything the people who have fought and died for this country stand for...you are nothing more then an ignorant, low class, gun toting, redneck, beck loving, white supremacist---people like you look for scapegoats to blame problems on and then eliminate them we call those people historically nazi....and by the way the majority of entitlement and welfare program recipients in this country are WHITE by the way... look at ANY figures MORON.
The Ryan plan will go nowhere. It looks like it will die like a bad deal. Also, it's a great gift for Progressives to slam the Republicans and Tea Baggers over.
We are spending an inordinate amount of money to keep troops overseas. Why should we keep 38,000 troops in South Korea? If North Korea were to invade, our 38,000 troops would not be able to do a lot to stop them. We keep troops in other countries to help prop up their economy. We have military bases here in the U.S. that are either no longer needed, or, outdated, yet we keep them open, mainly to help prop up the economy of cities, towns and counties near the base. We spend an extraordinary amount of money to develop the latest piece of military hardware, then another large sum of money to deploy this latest piece of hardware, then never use it because the defense contractors have come up with an even newer piece of hardware that we have to pay to develop, deploy, then mothball.
The Republicans refuse to go along with raising taxes on the rich, refuse to eliminate corporate tax loopholes, and want to balance the budget on the backs of the poor and middle class. Perhaps it is time that the Republicans, and to a lesser degree, the Democrats actually think about what is happening in some countries in the middle East. I am not, and do not advocate the overthrow of this country, but, as in those countries, people will get tired of the unfairness of the government, and quite possibly actually do something about it, other than vote out people they do not like and vote in people who tell us what they think we want to hear.
Oh hq2/11acr. Are you really going back to that card again? The old "No tax cuts for the rich" and "on the backs of the poor and middle class" card? This default line that is used has been disproven so many times it's not even funny. Yet, you throw it out there and try to pass it off a common knowledge. See, that's the problem. Dont just say something, back it up. The top 1% already pay 39% of the total federal revenue (and yes, that's after your 'loopholes'), and the top 10% pay 87% of total revenue. How much more do you want to increase the taxes of the top wage earners? How much more do they need to contribute to be considered as doing their share? I'm pretty confident that no amount will actually make you happy. And if they did pay 100% of all federal revenue, you would still gripe about them for some other reason. I'm not in the top 1%, or even in the top 10%. But the fact is that the more you make, the more you pay not only in total dollars, but also in percentage of income. Google "Progressive Tax Scale" and you'd probably get a good idea of what i'm talking about. Lastly, the fact is that you CANNOT balance the budget on the backs of the poor. It's literally impossible. As it stands, the bottom half of wage earners only pay 3.5% of all income. Considering the the federal government took in 4.2 Trillion last year, then 3.5% of that is 140 Billion. So that barely even scratches the surface of our total deficit. Since the poor and middle class aren't really paying a lot in tax, you must mean entitlements when you talk about breaking backs. But again, we spent 600 Billion in welfare on illegals last year in Los Angales county alone. So since the bottom half is only paying 140 Billion into the federal pot, then who is paying the rest? Obviously that would fall on the top 1% and 10% of all wage earners. The same people who's tax rates you think we should increase.
Obama does not need a budget plan....all budget and spending originates in the HOUSE...constitutional law dictates that the congress deals with the budget NOT the executive branch...the Executiove branch can suggest and submit but when it comes down to it it is the responability of the LEGISLATIVE branch to form and enact a budget. You say leadership...the PRESIDENT submited a budget proposal now it is congressional responsability to write and pass an actual budget. TEA PARTY ignorants out there always yell constitution this constitution that....well try reading it before talking. I am in no way defending Obamas budget proposal but it is not the Executives responsability constitutionally to make the budget.
First of all I don't like Boehner but that being stated I like Obama even less. The House has PASSED A BUDGET PLAN. Not necessarily a good one I think house should bend some but $33 bil too little.There has been NO BUDGET passed since 2009. If I recall dem. house/dem sen. Yes? Obama doesn't write a budget proposal.
There was a budget written and it did pass in the house in 2009 and 2010..I did not like it ...but the reason there was no budget passed is becsuse of a Republican filibuster of every idea they did not like with the help of a couple of Dems as well....and yes the Pres. writes a budget propasal...but that is all it is a proposal the actual budget must be written by congress.
I have read the Ryan budget almost all the way through...it has it's positives and negatives. It should be nothing more than a starting point for discussion and will backfire on conservatives but lead to the rise of some moderate adults who want to really govern on both sides. Lets be honest much of it is a ideological manifesto with charts and graphs that the #s are not proven. It might do what he says ....might as in maybe or possibly...but he is giving us a guarantee...he is saying WILL...he has no proof of this at all...there must be a middle path but who has it???
WOW ...willy you ignorant fool...it is people like you that make people hate the united states...you are a poor example of an american...and hearing what you said would make our founding fathers roll over in the grave... your hate speach goes against everything the people who have fought and died for this country stand for...you are nothing more then an ignorant, low class, gun toting, redneck, beck loving, white supremacist---people like you look for scapegoats to blame problems on and then eliminate them we call those people historically nazi....and by the way the majority of entitlement and welfare program recipients in this country are WHITE by the way... look at ANY figures MORON.