Obama: Americans want both sides to 'act like grownups'

From NBC’s Athena Jones and Domenico Montanaro
In a move reminiscent to his push for a tax deal at the end of last year, President Obama made an unannounced trip to the White House briefing room to push for a budget deal.

AP

President Obama talks about the budget today at the White House.

Obama said both sides were "closer than we've ever been before" on reaching a budget deal and that the only question is whether politics or ideology are going to get in the way of preventing a government shutdown.

The last thing the economy needs is a government shutdown, Obama said, adding that his team will work as long as necessary to reach an agreement on the budget.

Obama said there would be a meeting between House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) later today, and that if progress wasn't made in that meeting, he wanted congressional leaders to come back to the White House tomorrow for more talks.

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney later dodged questions about whether that meant the president would cancel his planned trips Wednesday to Pennsylvania and New York.

On the prospect of another short-term continuing resolution, Obama said it wouldn't be his preference, but that if over next 24 to 48 hours, a deal was done and the two sides just can't get the paperwork through quickly enough, a short-term CR under those circumstances is something the White House would support.

Obama said the American people expect both sides to "act like grownups" and not focus on scoring political points. Americans are worrying about gas prices and jobs, and that's what the government should be focused on, he said.

While the president said Democrats were willing to offer additional proposals for cuts, he did not offer specifics.

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President Obama clearly is upset with the "games" being played in the budget negotiations.

I assume he's made a call to Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) to voice his complaints.

To the President's credit, he's eager to host additional meetings to prevent a government shutdown...as he should be.

You can prevent the shut-down, Mr. President.

  • 7 votes
#1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:02 PM EDT

THAT would be "extreme"!!!!!

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#1.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:06 PM EDT

It appears we have three parties here, the Democrats, the Republicans, and the Tea Party. Apparently the Tea Party does not want to form a coalition with either of the other two parties. So a shut-down is becoming more probable. Hope you filed your taxes because if you are expecting a refund, you are going to have to wait a while...depending on the length of the shutdown.

This is a gamble the Tea Partiers will eventually lose. No doubt about it.

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#1.2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:30 PM EDT

Don't be so sure about who loses if there's a shutdown, Ron.

I didn't get the impression that the President is sure.

Did you?

  • 4 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:34 PM EDT

Bottom line is, President Obama PROVED again today, that he's STILL the only adult in the room!

The American People appreciate it Mr. President!

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#1.4 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:36 PM EDT

Ron:

Why do you insist on pushing that notion of everything about the Tea Party is a bad thing? YOU and no one else in here has the slightest clue as to how this will end. Politics is a gamble period. Everyone has their own opinion and it is a gamble as to who will prevail.

Those people were voted in just like all of the rest of Congress. You and the Weiner bunch just don't like the fact they are loud, bold and won't back down.

Why is it a bad thing when Republicans stand by their principles and don't back off, but when Democrats do, it is noble, elegant, MORAL and upholding Democracy.......(rolling eyes)

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:37 PM EDT

The TeaBaggers are the Gestapo arm of what used to be the Republican Party!

....They are the enforcers of all things far right wing......nonsensical and yes, radical!

Tow the line or else is their mantra!

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:44 PM EDT

Ron Indiana

I think your analysis is spot on. Looks like the Republican Party speaks with two voices. Makes it hard to negotiate with them.

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

"Why do you insist on pushing that notion of everything about the Tea Party is a bad thing?"

Because it's true. The tea party has no answers --- all they have is slogans.

  • 9 votes
#1.8 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:48 PM EDT

Mixed Bag and ITM:

Whenever there is an impasse, something has to happen to break the log jam. A government shut-down will not last forever. The party that shows a willingness to find common ground, compromise, solutions will be the party that wins. The party that is uncompromising, rigid, unbending, will lose.

ITM: the answer to your earlier question is "Yes"

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#1.9 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:51 PM EDT

Who loses if President Obama allows a U.S. sovereign debt crisis to occur on his watch, Ron?

Besides the American people, of course?

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:53 PM EDT

Grown ups? Just what is "grown up" about spending trillions of dollars each year, trillions of dollars the government doesn't have? Obama, in his 2012 budget proposal, has indicated he wishes to spend $1.65 Trillion dollars that the country doesn't have. That's not exactly a "grown up" thing to do, now is it.

Now, a grown up thing to do would be to cut up the countries credit card and live within our means, kind of similar to what Paul Ryan and the Presidents own Debt Commission recommend. But Obama and the Democrats don't appear to be ready for that type of a serious conversation. So instead you get Obama, who shows no leadership qualities on much of anything, telling others to act like "grown ups". The irony.

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#1.11 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:59 PM EDT

JoAnnaSmith1,

Have you ever purchased anything with a credit card? Do you have any credit card debt, a mortgage, auto, or personal loan? If so, then you also had to the borrow money and; therefore, spent money you did not have. Did you have a problem when the debt was over a trillion dollars under the last president? If not, why now, especially seeing that we are trying to recover from a deep recession?

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:43 PM EDT

Mixed Bag,

Your sarcasm is overflowing! If the government shuts own the Republicans will loose because they want it their way or the highway. Watch Wisconsin's elections tonight. It will tell you the future of our country. And a Plutocracy, thanks to Republicans, is not it. Thank God for one vote per citizen, not corporation.

  • 3 votes
#1.13 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT

From where I sit, I don't care if you play for Team Elephant, Team Donkey or Team Beverage, the more time we waste finger pointing and seeking blame, the harder the solution to our budget crisis is going to hit the majority, average, middle class population of our country.

  • 6 votes
#1.14 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT

Suzy,

A plutocracy has hit out middle class and poor already. They are represented in government by the Republican party. Look at all their laws, their budget "crisis" is only a crisis for poor and middle class. More tax cuts for the wealthy on the way on the backs of the poor and middle class. So we may suffer in the short term until we oust these foolish Tea Partiers from public office but it will be worth it.

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#1.15 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:10 PM EDT

Welcome to the end result of Reganomics. It will get worst if they dont cut spending. I would start with the bueacrats pay / pension / benifits and contractors. Why do we need 10 million government contractors. Cut Defense and government pay / benefits first then either raise taxes or cut SS and Medicare. We had no choice with Medicare and SS if we did not pay the tax you go to jail but Defense / contractors and bueacrats had a choice. Cut the Government save our SS and Medicare tax supported annuity programs. Cut Defense 50% today! and get rid of government contractors or 80% of them. Cut the fed beaucrats pay by 30% today and their benifits and pensions. We got taxed for these programs and now they want to RIP US OFF.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 7:29 PM EDT

Looking forward to seeing an actual proposal from the Senate. Or a revised budget from the executive. It seems to me all we get are media talking points and no alternative legislation. This goes back so far that people forget, it was the previous Congress that failed to even attempt to pass a budget. Get on with it already.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 7:35 PM EDT

Wellllllllll. Actually we would like them to not just ACT like grownups. How about if they actually perform their jobs as grownups. The grandstanding and fingerpointing can wait for the elections.

How about just compromising and we all agree to a 10% across the board reduction in all agencies, all programs, all budgets NO EXCEPTIONS. There's your 100+ billion.

Then how about everybody who makes more than what is defined as poverty level (including corporations since the supreme court says they are persons now) pays a one time income tax of 10% for anything up to 1 million and 20% on any additional income over 1 million, which cannot be offset by any deductions or credits.

It would hurt for sure, but we need to get something going and this would be a start that everybody can be a part of and will not hurt as much as our country going bankrupt.

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 8:22 PM EDT

Frenchconnection,

I like the idea of shared responsibility of all citizens and corporations.

If a bill such as you suggest came to the floor, I can just see the posts of all those that are now hollering about spending too much. Most of those same, "responsible, live within your means" citizens would not be for such a proposal. So much for patriotism, national pride and doing what is best for our country.

A one time influx of money into the treasury would help us reduce the deficit and fund some the needed infrastructure issues we now have. In addition, I would like to see a mandate for each federal government agency to audit its processes in order to identify inefficient policies. The agencies could then eliminate all redundant programs, cut waste, and implement effective policies and regulations. This would help the agencies, including the Defense Department, run efficiently and save money, not only now, but going forward. If is a good thing to cut spending, but it is better find solutions to the spending problems, if not we will find ourselves in the same situation in the future.

    #1.19 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 4:21 PM EDT
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    The Republicans have no choice but to blink at this moment in time.

    President Obama has called them and certain Democrats out to own up to whatever it is that they have.

    TEA drama aside, this is a done deal. But I will not be surprised if Rand Mconnell totally flunks econ 101 to all for the sake of sounding arrogant and ignorant.

    Bout time.

    Giggidy

    :^X

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    Reply#2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:07 PM EDT

    Done deal, LouisJ?

    Really...?

    The President didn't convey that impression.

    Far from it.

    Were you actually listening to our President, LouisJ?

    • 6 votes
    #2.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:23 PM EDT

    Someone on another thread was asking if they could get some of what Loius is smoking.

    Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 5 votes
    #2.2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:25 PM EDT

    Louis,

    Man as we say in the hood "U got me F'ed up".

    They don't have to blink just because Obama made a speech. He makes speeches everyday. You can do that when you have your own Press Core and ability to interupt T.V.

    You call McConnell ignorant. What Senate have you served in? What entire state has voted you into anything? That man knows exactly what he is doing when it comes to politics. You are the ignorant one hence being you're in a chat room complaining daily.

    • 6 votes
    #2.3 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT

    Many Republicans sound bitter to the fact that President Obama dictates the way they operate. President Obama tells them to get the job done. They have no choice but to act. Put his plans into action. Get on it. Git 'er dun.

    I know it makes many of them squirm based on the fact that he will operate on this authority for the next few years.

    President

    Commander In Chief of the United States Armed Forces

    Head of State

    Informal

    -Top Dog

    -Head Honcho

    -The Big Cheese

    Giggidy

    :^p

    • 5 votes
    #2.4 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:51 PM EDT

    I'm not bitter, LouisJ...

    All of your posts display more bitterness than mine do.

    lol

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    #2.5 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:56 PM EDT

    And you might be an ignorant redneck if...

    Ah, too easy!

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    #2.7 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:09 PM EDT

    So Louis, if the president speaks and his word is final, doesn't that make him more of a dictator than a democratic leader? Or am I missing something here? Cuz last I checked, our system of government is one of negotiating toward a final decision even when the process is bogged down in ridiculous partisan arguments that benefit no one but the politicians, not one of the president making declarations.

    • 5 votes
    #2.9 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:03 PM EDT

    By attempting to demonize so-called Tea Party members along with Republicans, the Democrats are missing an opportunity for very large cuts in areas long-regarded as "sacred cows" by Republicans, but where leading Tea Party candidates have said there should be cuts.

    Unless Democrats are willing to fight for cuts in other areas, the cuts will come in other areas. How about proposals to cut wasteful military spending, farm subsidies to farmers making over $250,000, subsidies to Big Oil companies, or subsidies to Big Pharma?

    Am I the only one that thinks it's crazy that the government can't competitively bid drug prices for Medicare recipients (like it does for the VA)? The result is that the government pays twice as much for identical drugs given to Medicare recipients. The excess cost is $20 billion or so per year, and it's not even been mentioned as a potential area to cut by Democrats.

    My advice to Democrats: stop posturing in front of the cameras and complaining about cuts in NPR, and go after the really big dollars where the Tea Party will support cuts and force Republicans to make concessions.

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    #2.10 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 7:39 PM EDT
    Reply

    Which way america.......dice and cut. reality rules.

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    Reply#3 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:10 PM EDT

    Acting like grownups? That's a tall order for the childish baggers who have been taught that taking their ball home is better than negotiating compromise. Jack wagons!

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    Reply#4 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:18 PM EDT

    Mad..... You keep on showing your independent thinking. Liar! You should worry about you not me..

      #4.1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:00 AM EDT
      Reply

      President Obama will end up looking like the adult in the room if there is a government shut down. The Teapublicans will end up looking like spoiled, arrogant children who just can't seem to understand that what they are trying to do is dictate to the majority.

      • 12 votes
      Reply#5 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT

      What majority exactly, Tom? The 47% who pay no fed income tax but recieve 70% of the gov handouts? That majority? Anyone who has a dog in the fight wants the gov to cut till it is agonizing.

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      Reply#6 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:29 PM EDT

      Jed 233 If your beloved Tea party would propose cuts to the massive Defense budget we could make a real dent, but if Democrats are the first ones to put that on the table your side accuses Democrats of being wimps on defense. You can't just cut entitlements and think that the problem is solved and besides Bush doubled the debt in 8 years. Tell me I'm lying.

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      #6.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:39 PM EDT

      And Obama quaded that in 2. What is your point. He needed to spend us into oblivion why?

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      #6.2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT

      So if you're retired and collecting S.S. that is a handout?

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      #6.3 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:45 PM EDT

      Hey Jedediah-

      Yours is obviously a stupid, lame retort from someone with absolutely no knowledge about how the tax revenue is generated in this country. No context! No background! Just parroting a Bagga talking point to suggest that 47% of Americans are tax cheats who unfairly, repulsively rely on the government dole or the "regular" taxpayers. No talk about the fact that ours is a progressive tax system that leads to this and that some, including those adept at hiding income, or availing themselves of every single tax loop hole created by the Bush and Reagan tax cuts, have devised clever means of avoiding taxes even when their income far exceeds the poverty limit. Or the fact that despite their faux outrage, many corporate entities (who are certainly nowhere near the poverty line) effectively pay a zero tax rate despite all the carping about 35%! Just another inane tactic to blame the less fortunate for American tax revenue/deficit ills from a delusional, feeble-minded jack wagon! Next!

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      #6.4 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:52 PM EDT

      jed233

      Half of all Medicare recepients are children. Do you suggest we put them in work houses to make them earn their inhalers?

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      #6.5 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

      And Obama quaded that in 2. What is your point. He needed to spend us into oblivion why?

      In his first year in office Obama was operating under the Bush budget. Also -- Obama actually counted the cost of the wars into his calculations. Bush never did. It was Bush who gave us the first trillion dollar deficit. It was Bush and his Republican Congress who turned the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times, in less than 4 years and without counting most of the cost of 2 wars. Over 90% of the current deficits was brought about when Republicans were in charge.

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      #6.6 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

      Maybe if Pres. Obama left off the 2 unfunded wars that Bush never had on the books the deficit wouldn't be half as bad as it is......and maybe if Bush funded Medicare Part D that would not have added to the deficit - but the 2 wars he never accounted for that are now accounted for must have sumptin to do with the deficit.....

      • 5 votes
      #6.7 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:55 PM EDT

      jed233

      Half of all Medicaid recepients are children. Do you suggest we put them in work houses to make them earn their inhalers? (I should have said Medicaid, not Medicare )

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      #6.8 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:41 PM EDT

      What happened to Obama ending those 2 wars? OK, fine, I'll give you that Bush should have accounted for them but Obama promised to end them, not continue and get us into a 3rd.

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      #6.9 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:06 PM EDT

      That 47% are peple that pay payroll tax and overpay so they recieve a refund. At least they pay taxes unlike Bank of America, GE, Exxon and most of the rest of taxpayer subsidized corporate benefactors in control of our goverment, both parties and in particular the "astroturf" teaparty.

      • 1 vote
      #6.10 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 6:27 PM EDT

      Some people don't pay taxes because they don't make enough money to owe any. That number is growing as more and more people are unemployed. Can't pay taxes if you have no income. Others don't pay taxes because they weasel around the tax laws because they don't think they should have to give back to the country that provided them with great wealth. Calling them all freeloaders is hardly accurate.

      • 5 votes
      #6.11 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 6:56 PM EDT

      Better the government to agonize instead of the people it represents.

        #6.12 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 1:30 PM EDT
        Reply

        The billions of dollars in lost tax revenue to the banks and corps is not a government hand-out. Please!

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        Reply#7 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:42 PM EDT

        act like adults ,hell they are the best actors we got in this country,, why not just be adults for once and stop thinking about there fat ass retirement program and do what they are really paid for once !!!!!!!!!!

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        Reply#8 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 3:47 PM EDT

        Obama said the American people expect both sides to "act like grownups" and not focus on scoring political points. Americans are worrying about gas prices and jobs, and that's what the government should be focused on, he said.

        While the president said Democrats were willing to offer additional proposals for cuts, he did not offer specifics

        Another shining example of leadership. Try to broker a deal, but don't twist the arms of your own party leadership to do the grown up thing. The reality that the public is no longer buying his rhetoric or believing the lip service that he gives, may eventually sink into Mr Obama's head, but apparently not yet.. They have seen his weak leadership and been given a dose of his failed policies and practices and don't like them. They are also seeing, especiaclly on foreign policy issues, that Obama has had to come to grips with the reality that what Mr. Bush was doing while in office was not borne of his political ideology, but of necessity. The same necessity that has forced Obama to adhere to many of the same foreign policies and practices of the Bush administration, albeit via a much weaker delivery/implementation.

        On domestic policy he has been way worse and has failed to demonstrate any leadership capabilities. Take the budget, for example. he failed to submit a timely budget proposal for 2011, when he had full control over Congress in 2010. And then when he finally got around to making his proposed budget, welll into the 2011 fiscal year, it failed to address the things he stated we need to address to keep the economy heading in the right direction. The following are direct quotes from Mr.Obama:

        To kick these problems down the road for another four years or another eight years would be to continue the same irresponsibility that led us to this point. That's not why I ran for this office. I didn't come here to pass on our problems to the next President or the next generation

        We are living with a legacy of deficit spending that began almost a decade ago. And in the wake of the financial crisis, some of that was necessary to keep credit flowing, save jobs, and put money in people's pockets.

        But now that the worst of the recession is over, we have to confront the fact that our government spends more than it takes in. That is not sustainable. Every day, families sacrifice to live within their means. They deserve a government that does the same.

        Now, even after paying for what we spent on my watch, we will still face the massive deficit we had when I took office. More importantly, the cost of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security will continue to skyrocket. That's why I've called for a bipartisan, Fiscal Commission, modeled on a proposal by Republican Judd Gregg and Democrat Kent Conrad. This can't be one of those Washington gimmicks that lets us pretend we solved a problem. The Commission will have to provide a specific set of solutions by a certain deadline

        Moreover, just before the Nov elections Mr. Obama was warning that, after the new year, tough choices would have to be made to cut spending and reduce the deficit. However, Mr. Obama has clearly been a man of empty rhetoric and not one of action. His bluff is now being called. Repubs need to stick to the will of the voters and force Mr Obama and the Dems to live up to their rhetoric. Given Mr. Obama's words he should be forcing Harry Reid to accept what needs to be done.Instead, he is enabling stubborn resistence to what is needed to be done to deal with the reality of our situation.

        Mr. Obama's lack of leadership and failure to adhere to his own words have been stunning. First, he failed to timely submit a proposed 2011 budget in 2010. This was obviously politically motivated, as he knew that if the budget he eventually did propose, well into 2011, was put before the voters before the Nov elections, members of his party would have suffered even larger defeats at the polls than the massive drubbing they suffered in Nov..

        Second, the budgets Mr Obama has proposed in the past and the budget he belatedly proposed for 2011, all substantially increased deficit spending and the debt. While his proposed budget for 2011 slowed the rate of deficit spending, it still increased deficit spending. No real cuts were proposed. If that isn't kicking the can down the road, I don't know what is!

        Third, Mr. Obama's proposed budget lacks tough choices and is utterly a failure when it comes to providing the leadership needed to tackle the tough choices. To the contrary, it encourages the "Progressives" to continue calling for massive big government spending with no end in sight. And he is not working with Republicans to get the tough meaningful choices enacted that will actually reduce spending and the deficit, as opposed to merely reducing the rate of increase in both, as he and the Dems continually propose.

        Fourth. Mr Obama was so insistent upon having a deficit reduction commission put in place that he bypassed Congress, because they were not willing to spend the money on the Commission, and issued an executive order forming the Commission. Yet when the Commission came out with its recommendations Obama did the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and ignored virtually every recommendation they made when he issued his belated proposed budget. Indeed the Commission was yet another Washington gimmick and waste of taxpayer dollars, put in place by Mr. Obama. It was designed solely to try and placate voters into thinking that Mr Obama was serious about addressing deficit spending and the crisis level debt we are now saddled with. Which he has exponentially increased during his term in office. Which, by the way, he would continue to increase if Congress would only allow him to have his way on the budget.

        I guess Mr Obama was correct, when he stated that he didn't go to Washington to pass our current problems onto the next President or generation. What he didn't tell us is that he planned on passing along even bigger problems to both.

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        Reply#9 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:01 PM EDT

        I'm hoping that the American people have had there fill of the Tea Baggers and maybe by the next election they should be gone.

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        Reply#10 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:04 PM EDT

        Dream on son, with the senate democrats refusing compromise and obama doing little or nothing as the leader of the democrat party, think American voters will forget this in 2012?

        Even with the liberals calling the republicans the party of No and obstructionists, what explains the number of democrats losing congressional seats in nov 2010?

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        #10.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:30 PM EDT
        Reply

        The Republicans refuse to remove the policy riders that are a sticking point in the negotiations. It is not just about the budget, it's about Republicans using the budget as a vehicle to defund specific programs to appease their base and not wanting to back away from that. Boehner said so himself just today. It is far beyond time for the GOP to do what is best for all americans, not just their base. If a lack of agreement leads to government shutdown you can blame the Republican party.

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        Reply#11 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:09 PM EDT

        Seems that is the nature of politics, to show support for their constituents who elected them into office. Compromise is the art of creating a plan that best serves both sides. I have seen little of this by the democrats in any proposed cuts they want.

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        #11.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:35 PM EDT

        Then you haven't been paying enough attention, american. Democrats have gotten to the amount originally wanted by Boehner. So what is the real issue?

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        #11.2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT
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        Brain WashDeleted

        the countdown is on....only a couple more days before obama has to sell out on the liberals for the umpteenth time. Now libs repeat after me. "thank you mr president may i have another kick in the teeth"

          Reply#13 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:15 PM EDT

          Wow! act like grownups.

          Seems that with many democrats believing that we are facing a future debt crises why is it that obama and company can't come up with a compromise plan? Has he no faith in or no control over reid and the democrat controlled senate? Does he still consider that the American public wants to support his ideas for Americas future and blow off our mounting debt as inconsequential?

          Obamas dream FY2012 budget contains an estimated $73 billion in cuts, the republicans are looking at $61 billion in cuts for FY 2011. Unless the democrats don't support obamas dream budget why can't they counter the republican plan with $61 billion in cuts of their own? Last I knew 73 is a greater number than 61.

          Seems more like the democrats and obama still don't want bipartisan legislative action on the issue of budgets. Same ol' same old. Obama says it is "my way or the highway!"

          How interesting that he is incapable of leading America to a sustainable future. Can hardly wait for the FED to start raising the cost of borrowing $$$. All those additional billions being required to service our ever increasing debt.

          Should we really need to support politicians who want to continually kick the can down the road?

          • 2 votes
          Reply#14 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:20 PM EDT

          Obama has become a master at the game of kick the can.

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          Reply#15 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:42 PM EDT

          Kevin, on what do you base that statement?

            #15.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:51 PM EDT

            You are wrong Kevin!! Clearly. Obama has taken on tough challenges like Health Care reform since taking office. The only other grownup who came even close to trying this was Bill Clinton,....remember? Say what you want about it, and it ain't perfect, but the repubs were sitting on their hands doing NOTHING about it for decades. So move over and let the Democrats show you how!! Get the hell out of the way if you aren't going to do something. Something had to be done. Health Insurance companies were bleeding us white with no end in sight.

            The Lilly Ledbetter Act needed passage in lieu of an ERA. You should not have to freakin' work twice as hard for 66% of the pay just because you do not happen to own a penis. Seriously. Why turn women into baby-producing wage slaves? They're half the population for cripes sakes!!!

            I could go on, but you are probably already bored.

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            #15.2 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:39 PM EDT
            Reply

            How to grow jobs, energy, the economy, remain competitive, and eliminate the deficit:

            1. Legislatively remove the anti-trust exemption for insurance, The McCarran-Ferguson Act. Then Repeal Obamacare as unnecessary.
            2.. Legislatively restrict the wetlands definition of "navigable waters of the United States" in the Clean Water Act.
            3. Fund and begin construction of power generation and water supply projects necessary to meet future population and industrial demands.
            4. Remove all geographic restrictions on oil and natural gas drilling, and use the power of federal money transfers to the States to prevent States and local governments from interfering with drilling.
            5.. Remove environmental restrictions and environmental and social impact requirements for all infrastructure and utility construction for the next 10 years.
            6.Cut Federal budget by 10% excluding defense, starting with those duplicative items identified in the 3/1/11 GAO report and Presidents Debt Commission, however, maintain current spending for infrastructure construction, repair and upgrade for the next 5 years. Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act.
            7. Reduce corporate tax rates by 50%. Reduce Corporate tax rates by 70% on private utilities and transport companies.
            8. Reinstitute significant tax and assistance payments for residential and commercial alternative energy instillations, particularly focusing on residential solar. Use Commerce Clause to force all electrical utilities to be reverse metering.
            9. Subsidies the further development of electric and hybrid electric cars. Provide significant tax breaks and incentives for the purchase of same, particularly when combined with the purchase of a residential solar instillation within two years of one another. This is no longer a simple market issue, but one of national security as the time to substitution is longer than the economy can withstand when confronted with a supply side shock
            10. Eliminate the Ethanol subsidy for any and all processes using foodstuffs. Redirect monies to nuclear and coal. Streamline regulation of new construction of nuclear power plants and provide incentives for same. Open Yucca Mountain as originally agreed.
            11. Eliminate any power of the EPA to regulate Carbon.
            12. Use the power of the Federal purse to eviscerate Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005) and Tahoe-Sierra Preservation Council, Inc. v. Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, 535 U.S. 302 (2002),
            13. Repeal the Community Reinvestment Act.
            14. Hold congressional investigations into the roll of the Community Reinvestment Act, Freddie and Fannie in inflating demand and thus prices resulting in the collapse of the real estate market.
            15. Build a wall embedded with sensors and toped with razor wire along both our borders, beginning with the southern one. In the name of national security remove all environmental restrictions and environmental and social impact requirements for the construction of same.
            16 Pass legislation that all jurisdictions receiving federal monies of any sort are required to enforce all of the laws of the land, including enforcement of federal immigration laws.

            17. Restrict the collective bargaining power of State civil service unions in line with the 1978 Federal Civil Service Reform Act
            18. Scrap the tax code and adopt a flat-tax that will build the size of the pie (and thus tax revenues) for everyone instead of the Obama class warfare of trying to redistribute a shrinking one.

            19. Revisit New York Times v. Sullivan and remove the "actual malice" requirement to improve the quality, objectivity and accuracy of media reporting,

              Reply#16 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 4:57 PM EDT

              How bout this?

              I think the Democrats need to go on offense and tell the Republic party that they will not go for their budget proposal unless it includes a 100% categorical passing of the Employee Free Choice Act in its original form totally intact.

              Paraphrasing the words of the republic party: "Anything less than 100% is unacceptable".

              • 4 votes
              Reply#17 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:07 PM EDT

              Clever how the Democrats couldn't be bothered to deal with the budget in 2009 when they should have but now blame the Republicans for delaying the process. Seems if they'd done what they should have when they should have they'd have passed anything they wanted because the republicans couldn't have stopped it but their fears of reelection were greater than their sense of duty to the American people. Its time to take ownership of the bed they created and now lie in.

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              Reply#18 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:12 PM EDT

              My budget?

              Close 90% of our bases, everywhere. Perhaps one token small base on every continent. That's all. Furlough the troops, bring them home to U.S. soil. Defend the Land of the Free ONLY!!

              Stop all military initiatives around the planet. Cease all non-essential military spending unless directly related to defense of American soil and our homeland. Japan, S. Korea, Israel,...sorry, but yer' on yer' own. Common-sense weapons systems expenditures. Let's see, last year's defense budget was $717 Billion (that amounts to a TARP fund EVERY year). Saving 90% of our defense by minding our own flippin' business would save us $6.453 trillion over 10 years. Debt to China, paid.

              End tax loopholes for corporations shipping jobs overseas. Companies incorporated overseas can pay a 90% tariff for the privilege of selling their goods in the world's largest market economy. Apply rigid, vigilant enforcement, post enormous rewards / incentives to turn in violators.

              End tax breaks for the rich pigs that are exploiting America's situation now.

              Pass EFCA.

              End all but humanitarian aid to other countries, yes I think Libya qualifies.

              Tell China they can't manipulate currency anymore, nor import goods without a 25% tariff. Back it up with US warships if you need to. Sink their cargo freighters while they're still at sea approaching the U.S.

              Dissolve NAFTA.

              Fund Soc. Security and make it a lock box that neither party can raid and stuff with IOU's.

              Make taking bribes ("campaign contributions") a felon offense on par with treason. Enforce it. Hang a couple of Senators to show you mean business.

              Enact public funding for political campaigns only. Take the $$$ out of politics.

              • 4 votes
              Reply#19 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 5:29 PM EDT

              Might work if we existed in a vacuum. But point by point you exacerbate the issues rather than solve them.

              Close bases- you've just pissed off every one of our allies. Good luck next time we need a little help. Oh, and you've added exponentially to our already too high unemployment rate.

              Stop military initiatives, again, good idea in theory but politically tricky- cut and run didn't work well in Vietnam for a reason. Those whom you haven't pissed off with #1 are now pissed off because of #2.

              Ending tax breaks for corporations, again, spot on in theory but you've just increased the price on nearly everything.. Don't necessarily like the loopholes myself but considering a sizable portion of our population pays no federal income tax and the federal income tax paid by the rest of us "pays" for those tax cuts, you remove them and the poor and middle class are hit the hardest.

              Ending tax breaks for the rich would A) adversely effect most of the 535 numpties in Washington (or at least the ones who actually pay their taxes) which means they aren't going to do it to begin with and if they did, there's a significant chance that the evil rich are going to seek greener pastures with their millions which would reduce our revenue even further. Flat tax might get us farther.

              Ending all but humanitarian aid, well, OK, good budget reducer but still going to piss off a lot of our allies. Good luck with that

              We've already tried telling China to quit manipulating currency. Turns out the most populous nation in the world with the fastest growing economy doesn't really care what's best for the US or the rest of the world, like everyone else, they're in it for their their own self interests.

              NAFTA- Got a time machine in your back yard that we can use to turn back the clock? Otherwise I don't see how you're going to reverse a global economy at this point.

              Social Security- show me a congress critter that can leave untapped a pool of shiny coins sitting around collecting dust and you're on to something with that one.

              I will give you your last 2 though, can't find anything to dislike about those. Well, save for the fact that the congress critters are primarily concerned with their own reelection so there's no way they're passing that either, but as concepts I love 'em.

              • 3 votes
              #19.1 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 6:01 PM EDT
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              This is very wise advice Mr. President, and all parties had better be listening. Our President needs to take the lead on the budget issue, and he needs to stand his ground. The "Gross Odd People" (GOP), and the "Really Not Competent" (RNC) are not going listen. They believe in keeping the destruction of all economic policies that represent fairness for all. The rich must become richer, the large corporations must become larger, and the large insurance companies must gain more profits. The Wall Street Bankers must get a blank check everytime they ask for one. The elderly and the disabled do not need Government Health Care programs. This is what an individual would hear in a closed door meeting of the GOP/RNC. They will have no problem hiding their viper like fangs in public with big smiles, and little sharp comments filled with rude sarcasism. Progressive Power!!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#20 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 6:14 PM EDT

              Ok, so 5 months after an election where where the collective right and blinded angry independants were convinced by paid corporate propaganda to back right wing "fiscal responsibility" (thank you Citizens United), these elected House Republicans have already shoved a continuation of Bush tax cuts of 700B to the wealthy down the administrations throat.

              The main point for today is simple - we would be able to reduce the deficit by over 600B and NONE of this petty garbage regarding the current budget would be necessary if the Republican side had not bent us all over for the corporations and the wealthy on the Bush tax cuts. This line of conduct in reality is the epitomy of a bribe, a purchased treason by the elected members of our government. If the people of this country still cannot see what is happening, or are too fat dumb and lazy to make themselves aware, the promise of America has accelarated its decline phase of the new millenium.

              Again, what is the theory there, oh that it will create jobs. Of course, it worked, there are 50,000 new McJobs coming out ensuring exactly what the corporations want - those 50,000 jobs for pennies will get snapped up, the corporate directors will be getting million dollar bonuses through their foresight and control of the masses will have been advanced. Now, here comes Mr. Ryan, and he launches the Final Corporate design. This was always the plan and the nation enthusiastically did it to itself. Hopefully, the seniors and dullard independants that bought into the right wing fear garbage will see through it and realize that this is all part of the corporate power play that will further centralize the power to the wealthy, and require the rest of us to work longer, harder and for less while the ultra rich solidify their walls.

              Logically, the middle and lower economic classes should all be in favor of 2nd Amendment rights. Once someone is older or cannot work, or more to the point cannot live as a family beyond poverty because of the corporate power over your income, people should have something to fight back with. However, since the right wingers have most of the guns, the Progressives would get their butts shot off...however, I digress.

              Is America ready to get its collective skull out of its butt and stand up for the rights of the individual is it ready to put a stop to the corporate wealth takeover that is happening right in front of our noses? The danger is clear and present - the legislative and judicial branches are seeding the way for corporations to dictate terms of living in their world to the commonparts of this nation, ensuring themselves of ready service, continualy accrual of weath and power, yet the disparity become one that engenders rage and reaction. We see the Libyan tribals as barbaric buffoons making a valient and righteous fight for freedom but what is the difference when a quality of life disparity by munipulation is done by a whacko leader with bad Botox or the faceless powerholders of the giant corporations? Both have no liability or penalty that can be levied upon them, who is to say which is more uncaring of those it rules. If we are still too blind then we deserve the serfdom that the corporate greed and political cowardice will award us.

              The Republican's and even tea baggers have some good ideas. Stop the immigration invasion (that's what it is, whether you want to admit it or not) and prevent the citizenship of anchor babies, STOP sending all humanitarian money overseas until we have a budget surplus, make some cuts, and police the entitlement system, and as I mentioned above, make sure we can stay armed so even if the corporations do take over, we can fight back someday. That being said, if a poor person votes Republican, it might be a good policy to prevent that particular person from owning a firearm due to inherent stupidity.

              Sad part is we can dig ourselves out and comfortably provide for our citizens if we worked together and governed as a people, not as drones of greedy elite corporate minders..is it too late? Will it be the ultimate irony that the religious right, the backbone of the Republicans, will condemn this nation to eventual oblivion through the sin of greed? Or, are people really smart enough to through this and stop the thievery. Stay tuned....

                Reply#21 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 9:43 PM EDT

                Adults spend less than they make.  So if the president settles for anything less than a balanced budget, then no one is acting like an adult.

                Stop the spending.  Don't try to take more from the taxpayers until you prove you can manage what you've already taken by balancing the budget and keeping spending under control.

                As long as the budget is not balanced, no sane tax payer should even consider any form of tax increase.  They have to prove they can be responsible with what they are collecting now before a single dime more should be sent to DC.

                  Reply#22 - Tue Apr 5, 2011 10:56 PM EDT

                  Acting like children....well, let the "biggest child" lead.....go ahead Obama

                    Reply#23 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 12:24 AM EDT

                    He is JoeJacJoe.

                      #23.1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:15 AM EDT
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                      The "cutters" are missing one huge point here - American technology, creativity and development of products and services all the way through every single step of the supply chain to manufacturing and sale of exports has been surgically removed from our economy by tax policies that encourage outsourcing instead of hiring US workers, manufacturing on US soil and the education, infrastructure & communication that makes American production possible. The revenues from each and every step are missing from the revenues we have to spend on every level of government. The "cuts" to match that loss rather than Spending to reestablish what has been lost is the death knell for the American economy. Keep cutting...don't look deeper at the reasons we shouldn't be cutting. Keep blaming instead of making a little effort to understand. Better yet...step aside and let the adults handle this.

                        Reply#24 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 5:22 AM EDT

                        Thanks Obama for showing up to the party at the last sec. this way if either side decides to bend and work together he can take credit for it. Come on Hillary it's time to announce you are getting in the Pres. race. You should have won 2008 you will win 2012.

                          Reply#25 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:10 AM EDT

                          apparently you do not understand how these things work, time 4truth.

                            #25.1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:16 AM EDT

                            Echo I Really do. That's what irritates me the most. I'am an informed voter I take the time to read as much as I can to try to understand our insipid political system yet I voted for Mr. Obama and I wish i could take it back.

                              #25.2 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:47 AM EDT

                              I'm sure it is obvious to you then that one party wants to get something done while the other party specializes in obstruction. You voted for the right person. Unfortunately he cannot single handedly fix all of the problems this country faces. He stepped in to the budget conversations when he needed to. If the Republicans weren't attempting to use the budget bill as a vehicle for their social issues riders we would already have an agreement and be talking about the next big issue.

                                #25.3 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 10:05 AM EDT
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                                 WTF are those cracker Tea Partians doing????  Who gonna get me my goverment services????  It's like these angry white men think it's real money.  Maybe Barack needs to give'em da' tour of da' Treasury, show'em Da' machine dat makes Da' coin man.......

                                  Reply#26 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:12 AM EDT

                                  You are white aren't you? Your post is an insult to whites and African Americans all in one. Nice job!

                                    #26.1 - Wed Apr 6, 2011 9:52 AM EDT
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